1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Rip Current is a production of iHeart podcasts. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: The views and opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: of the host, producers or parent company. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 3: Listener discretion is it vised. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 4: On December eighth, nineteen eighty eight, dozens of activists from 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 4: the radical environmental group Earth First demonstrated in the tiny 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 4: town of Scotia, California. Scotia was a true company town. 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 4: Pacific Lumbers largest mill was there, and the company had 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 4: built the houses in the town for workers to live 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 4: in and ran the stores, the movie theater, and so on. 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 4: The activists had shown up to protest the purchase of 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 4: Pacific Lumber by Maxam Corporation, which was run by the 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 4: corporate raider Charles Hurwitz. They believed that Hurwitz would increase 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 4: the speed at which the centuries old redwood trees would 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 4: be cut. 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 5: It was the day of the Living Dead in Scotia, 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 5: as the environmental group Earth First staged a mock funeral 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 5: procession to protest the takeover of Pacific Lumber by Charles Hurwitz. 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 5: Earth First claims Hurwitz's plans to clear cut the forests 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 5: and close down the mill, making Scotia a ghost town. 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 5: As they marched through town. Mourners wore a paper Hurwitz 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 5: mass and carried coffins labeled security, Community, ecology, and economy. 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 4: They were met by counter protesters, the families of timber workers, 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: who feared that Earth First threatened the jobs of people who, 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: in many cases were the product of many generations of 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: men who made a living by cutting the redwood forest. 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 5: Supporters of the lumber industry met the protesters halfway, carrying 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 5: signs of their own. At one point, Earth First burst 29 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 5: into song, singing an anti Hurwitz tune to the tune 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 5: of God, reshy, marry gentlemen, and attempted to heal an 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 5: effigy of him. The demonstrator's chant of heal Horoitz was 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 5: countered by pl support orders chanting back go home not. 33 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 4: Tempers ran, hot, nerves were frayed. 34 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 6: I planned you do. 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 7: What the hell are you doing here? 36 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 8: Trying to stop some of the big trees from getting 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 8: cut down? 38 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 9: The plan another God damn. 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: Among the leaders of the protest was a thirty nine 40 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: year old carpenter named Judy Barry pop. 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 5: I think we need you. 42 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 10: You ever can have one to build out him? 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 9: Why not saying no, logan you did that one? 44 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: Judy had come up to Redwood Country just months before, 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 4: but her magnetism, vigor, and intelligence led her to quickly 46 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 4: become one of the most visible leaders of the resistance 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 4: against the overcutting. She'd become the face of the movement, 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 4: and in doing so, became a target. Less than eighteen 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 4: months later, someone placed a pipe bomb under the driver's 50 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 4: seat in Judy Barry's car. The mystery of who placed 51 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 4: the bomb underneath the driver's seat in her car has 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: never been solved. The battle over who is guilty has 53 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: come to be a proxy war over her legacy. Was 54 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: she so dangerous to corporate timber interests in northern California 55 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: that they, along with the FBI, conspired in this attack 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: on Barry? Or was she the victim of her ex husband, 57 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: her environmental work not a factor in a domestic violence attack? 58 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: Or was it something else. I'm Toby Ball and this 59 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: is the second season of RIP current episode one Ecotopia. 60 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: I came to this story by way of a question. 61 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: The question was inspired by the effects of climate change 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: that are evident in the news and the reality that 63 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: scientists believe that we have crossed a threshold at which 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: some of these changes are irreversible. 65 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: Another wildfire broke out today in southern California. 66 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 8: Extream hat is continuing to fuel wildfires across the south 67 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 8: and west of the. 68 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 11: America's days long stretch of deadly spring weather tonight marked 69 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 11: by widespread flooding across the Midwest and South, with water. 70 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 8: Still rise, strongest earthquakes ever recorded, struggle of the Russian 71 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 8: East Coast a few hours. Initions of greenhouse gases need 72 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 8: to peak within the next three years if we're to 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 8: stave off the worst effects of trying. 74 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: It to a new state of the climate. 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 12: Report from the American Meteorological Society has concerning updates about the. 76 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 8: Plant Scientists warrant countries are not doing enough to protect 77 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 8: against the impending disaster. 78 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 4: But there doesn't seem to be the kind of broad, 79 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 4: desperate active that you would expect when facing this kind 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 4: of catastrophic environmental destruction. In the United States, it barely 81 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: gets mentioned in public discourse, despite the wildfires in California, 82 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 4: the increasingly violent force of hurricanes, the record breaking temperatures. 83 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 4: So to my question, was there a time when people 84 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: activists faced with irreversible environmental damage did everything in their 85 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: power to stand up to the forces creating that damage. 86 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: Was there an example when the effort to save the 87 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 4: local environment was willing to do the kind of direct 88 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 4: action that would actually stop the forces causing the destruction. 89 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: While it was not the only example, the one that 90 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: caught my attention was the so called timber Wars of 91 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties and nineties in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties 92 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: in the far north of California. During this time, large 93 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: timber companies increased the rate at which they were cutting 94 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 4: the remaining old growth and second growth redwoods to an 95 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 4: unsustainable level, a level that would leave the forests bear 96 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 4: and rob the timber industry that had sustained the small 97 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 4: communities without the resource essential to their jobs, the trees. 98 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 4: It would also irrevocably destroy a large portion of the 99 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 4: remaining redwoods, the oldest and tallest trees in the world. 100 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: Get a tree Someday. 101 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 13: Soul called actions have resulted in seventy two arrests, including 102 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 13: stopping road construction, tree sitting protesters, chaining themselves to a yarner, 103 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 13: and burying themselves into a Forest service gate. Even though 104 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 13: this demonstration is a peaceful one, Earth versus say they're 105 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 13: willing to go further to accomplish their cause. Some say 106 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 13: they'll even go as far as laying their life on 107 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 13: the line. 108 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 14: They're out there destroying life, and this is the best 109 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 14: way we can draw attention to it. But we're willing 110 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 14: to risk our lives and risk our freedom for the cause. 111 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 14: And that's why I think that eventually will win this cause. 112 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: This conflict took place in the three northernmost counties in California, 113 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: del nort Humboldt, and Mendocino. These counties are vast and 114 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 4: rough and sparsely populated. Combined, they take up an area 115 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: a little smaller than New Jersey. But while New Jersey 116 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: has a population of nine and a half million people, 117 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: these three counties total about a quarter million, or one 118 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: thirty eighth of New Jerseys. There are no real cities. 119 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: Geographically and socially, it can feel like the vestiges of 120 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: the Frontier. It has been nicknamed the Redwood Empire and 121 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: more recently the Emerald Triangle is Marijuana growing has replaced 122 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: timber harvesting in the local economy. The acceleration in the 123 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: rate of cutting was met with resistance from mainstream environmental 124 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 4: groups like the Sierra Club and the California Forests Association. 125 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: Well, largely I had been dealed. The conventional way at 126 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: the time was Sierra Club and saved the Redwoods League, 127 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: And those were mainstream, old line, very well informed people 128 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: on Mike Janella. And I'm a retired journalist now, although 129 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: I'm still active visit what I call citizen journalism locally. 130 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 3: But I spent fifty years covering politics environment for the 131 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: Press Democrat newspaper in Santa Roso. 132 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: Mike Janella covered the events before, during, and after the 133 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: Timber Wars for the largest newspaper covering the counties where 134 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 4: redwood harvesting was taking place. 135 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: They were used to working the legislative hallway's marshaling huge 136 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: financial support to acquire old growth red wood. So I 137 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: am dealing with them on that level in the beginning. 138 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: But another group was also involved in resisting timber industry plans. 139 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: I kept hearing, however, about these I rentic game environmental protesters, 140 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: earth First, and they were climbing trees and they were 141 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: sabotaging equipment, logging equipment in the woods, and I thought, 142 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: what the hell, this is a whole other step. 143 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: Earth First was regarded by the FBI as an eco 144 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 4: terrorist threat. Their motto was no compromise in defense of 145 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: Mother Earth. They called the Redwood Empire Ecotopia, which we'll 146 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 4: use as well in Ecotopia. Earth First was led in 147 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: many ways by Judy Berry, who had come to California, 148 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,239 Speaker 4: eventually moving up to Mendocino County, working as a carpenter 149 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,239 Speaker 4: and becoming the highest profile spokesman and strategists for Earth First. 150 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 4: She was smart, ambitious, charismatic, polarizing, a complicated person. Earth 151 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: Verse followed an ethos called deep ecology, which envisioned a 152 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: relationship between humans and nature that was far different from 153 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 4: most of the public, not to mention the timber industry. 154 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: Here Judy describes Earth First at a presentation marking Earth 155 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 4: Day nineteen ninety three. 156 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 7: The Earth verst is not just a direct action, no 157 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 7: compromised group, although it certainly is that, But Earth First 158 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 7: stands for a philosophy, and the philosophy is summarized in 159 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 7: those two words Earth First. And this philosophy is known 160 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 7: as deep ecology or biocentrism, and what it says is 161 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 7: that the Earth is not just here for human consumption, 162 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 7: but that all species have an equal right to exist 163 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 7: for their own sake, not just for their usefulness to humans. 164 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 7: Humans need to take our upper place among the species. 165 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 7: We need to learn to live on the earth in 166 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 7: a way that isn't destroying the earth, and we need 167 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 7: to change the way we live to suit the needs 168 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 7: of nature. 169 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 4: By the time Judy Barry made her way up to 170 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 4: Mendocino County, only ten percent of the Redwood forest remained 171 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: from when people first began cutting trees in the mid 172 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds. Judy arrived in nineteen eighty eight, her labor 173 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: and anti war activity went back the better part of 174 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: two decades. She was from the East Coast, beginning her 175 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: work as a radical while attending University of Maryland. She 176 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 4: had come out to California in nineteen seventy nine to 177 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: live with her future husband, a labor organizer named Mike Sweeney. 178 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 4: Their marriage was tumultuous, but there were partners in political activism. 179 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty eight, they divorced, agreeing to collaborate on 180 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 4: raising their two daughters up among the redwoods. The other 181 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 4: high profile leader of Earth First in Ecotopia was Judy's 182 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: political and organizing partner and one time boyfriend, Darryl Churney. 183 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: Daryl was an unlikely face to lead a resistance effort 184 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: in the rough and tumble of northernmost California. He was 185 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 4: a New Yorker, had been a child actor in TV commercials. 186 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: He had a master's from Fordham University in the Bronx. 187 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 4: The San Francisco Examiner article described him as short, thin, pale, abstemious, 188 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 4: and a vegetarian. Doesn't match the stereotype of the robust, 189 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: ruddy mountain climbing, hunting and fishing outdoorsman end quote. But 190 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: he had felt that he couldn't fulfill his lofty life 191 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 4: goals in New York City's urban environment. He had visited 192 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: the Redwoods with his parents in his early teens, and 193 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 4: the experience stuck with him. He talked about this in 194 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: an interview with Sojourner Truth Radio in April of twenty twelve. 195 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 15: It probably began when I took a cross country trip 196 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 15: with my parents when I was fourteen years old and 197 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 15: saw the Redwoods for the first time and just fell 198 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 15: in love with them and pledged that I would someday 199 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 15: move back. And fifteen years later, when I was twenty nine, 200 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 15: almost thirty years old, I came back to California immediately 201 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 15: learned that the redwoods were being clearcut and in particularly. 202 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: He told the Examiner, I always knew I wanted to 203 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 4: save the world, but in retrospect, I couldn't decide exactly 204 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: what I wanted to save. Everywhere I looked, it was 205 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: under concrete. 206 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 15: I had to do something. I had actually come to 207 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 15: California specifically to engage in political activism as well as 208 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 15: to learn how to live off the land. I had 209 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 15: grew up in New York City. I felt that it 210 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 15: was not exactly a habitable place for myself as a 211 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 15: human being anymore, and I wanted to live amidst nature. 212 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: So in nineteen eighty five, Tourney left New York City 213 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: for California. A critical moment in his journey has the 214 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: ring of the apocryphal about it, and is an early 215 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: indication of the kind of self mythologizing that would characterize 216 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: Darryl and Judy's efforts in the coming years. Cherney apparently 217 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 4: picked up a Cheyenne hitchhiker who went by the name 218 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 4: of Phoenix. Darrel described him as quote an Indian guru 219 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: for white people. Their conversation as they drove led Phoenix 220 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: to direct Daryl to the town of Garberville, which seemed 221 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 4: like a good idea to Daryl because he liked the 222 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: funky name. Garberville happened to be home to the Environmental 223 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: Protection and Information Center or EPIC. EPIC was a nonprofit 224 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: organization that had enjoyed success filing lawsuits to stop the 225 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: cutting of old growth redwoods. As he walked up to 226 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: the EPIC offices, however, what Katie was the earth First sticker. 227 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 4: He liked the way the name almost rhymed. A year later, 228 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 4: he was managing a motel and active in resisting timber 229 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 4: company plans in the redwood forest. 230 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 15: When I got to nature, I found that it was 231 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 15: being destroyed, and with my passion for politics and we 232 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 15: started an earth First Chapter in Humboldt County, California. 233 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 11: Over one hundred years, it has been a central corporate 234 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 11: tactic to divide. 235 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: And rules to say the road work isn't consumers. 236 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 4: Earth First engaged in a variety of activities in their 237 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: resistance to the overcutting. They did tree sets, where volunteers 238 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: would perch on platforms as high as eighty to one 239 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 4: hundred feet off the ground, sometimes for days to protect 240 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 4: them from the saw. They blockaded logging roads, protests, did 241 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: a corporate offices and timber company towns, and hung a 242 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: banner from the Golden gate Bridge. But there was also 243 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: whimsy in their efforts. They showed up to county planning 244 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 4: board meetings and animal costumes, and they played music. Darryl 245 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 4: is a guitarist and Judy played the fiddle. Darryl in 246 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 4: particular wrote folkey protest songs, some serious, some satirical, with 247 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: titles like spike a tree for Jesus, you can't clearcut 248 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 4: your way to Heaven, and they don't make hippies the 249 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: way they used to. He also wrote an anthem for 250 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: Earth First, noumbre Li. 251 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 11: Pombrel no pumbre li. 252 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 5: COMPI. 253 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: By May of nineteen ninety, Judy and Darryl were deeply 254 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: involved in organizing resistance again the overcutting and ecotopia. As 255 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: their efforts grew more ambitious, they, along with other Earth 256 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 4: First activists, became more recognizable in the logging communities. They 257 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 4: became targets of threatened and actual violence. In this atmosphere, 258 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: they decided to undertake by far their most ambitious action, 259 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 4: an effort based on the Mississippi summer voter registration efforts 260 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 4: during the Civil Rights era. They called it Redwood Summer. 261 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: They planned to bring thousands of college students to Ecotopia 262 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 4: to take part in actions against the timber industry and 263 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: to bring more attention to the overcutting. Again from Darryl's 264 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: interview with Sojournal Truth Radio. 265 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 15: The lessons we were drawing from Freedom Summer War one 266 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 15: organize college kids bring him here. Secondly, that the eyes 267 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 15: of the nation when you look behind the redwood curtain, 268 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 15: just like when you look behind the Deep South and 269 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 15: the Jim Crow Laws and all that, the rest of 270 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 15: the country was shocked, and with us it was the 271 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 15: same thing that you look at the redwood's being slaughtered. 272 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 15: It's not that the issues are identical in their dynamic, 273 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 15: but there's certain overriding principles that unify all these issues. 274 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 4: It was their work on Redwood Summer that took Judy 275 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: and Darryl to Berkeley on May twenty third. Their plan 276 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: was to go to Berkeley for a meeting and then 277 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 4: on the Santa Cruz the following day, where they would 278 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 4: give a benefit concert at the University of California, Santa 279 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 4: Cruz for Redwood summer. The meeting in Berkeley was with 280 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 4: a group called Seeds of Peace. In an interview with 281 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 4: New Settler, Judy Barry described Seeds of Peace. Here are 282 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: her words read by an actor. 283 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 11: They are a group of nonviolent activists who feed people 284 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 11: and run base camps, and they have the capacities and 285 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 11: the skills to feed many people. They had offered themselves 286 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 11: to Redwood summer to help us run the base camps 287 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 11: and help us run the non violence trainings, so they 288 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 11: were working in coalition with Earth First. 289 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 4: After the meeting, Judy and Darryl split up. Seeds of 290 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 4: Peace owned a group house, and Daryl stayed there on 291 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 4: the night of the twenty third. A man named Dave 292 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 4: Kemnitzer meanwhile had an extra bed at his apartment, which 293 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: he offered to Judy. She parked on the street and 294 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: spent the night at his apartment. The plan was for 295 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 4: Daryl to meet her at Dave Kemnitzer's in the morning 296 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: and they would drive down to Santa Cruz together in 297 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: Judy's car. This is Andy Caffrey, a longtime Earth First 298 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 4: activist who also acts as a group's unofficial documentarian. 299 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: That morning, Daryl and the Seeds Peace woman, Shannon. They 300 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: went over to the place where Judy. 301 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 6: Was staying and they had a little bit of a meeting, 302 00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 6: and then. 303 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: Arrol got into the car with Judy and Shannon was 304 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: driving in front, and they were driving back to the 305 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: Seeds of Peace house and they went over a bump 306 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: and the bomb blew up. 307 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 4: It was seven minutes to noon. The bomb had detonated 308 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: in the car as Judy drove east on Park Boulevard 309 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: past Oakland High School. This is Shannon Marr, the woman 310 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 4: from Seeds of Peace, speaking to a reporter from KTVU 311 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 4: Television News in San Francisco. 312 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 8: You were driving behind, I wasn't driving in front of them. 313 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 5: Judy was conscious but kind of out of it and 314 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 5: going to shock, and Darryl was leaning he had a 315 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: large gash in his head. 316 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 4: Writing for the Earth First Journal, Judy described the moment 317 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 4: of the explosion again. This is read by an actor. 318 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 11: I knew it was a bomb the second it exploded. 319 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 11: I felt it ripped through me with a force more powerful, 320 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 11: terrible than anything I could imagine. It blew right through 321 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 11: my car seat, shattering my pelvis, crushing my lower backbone, 322 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 11: leaving me instantly paralyzed. I couldn't fill my legs, but 323 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 11: desperate pain filled my body. I didn't know such pain existed. 324 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 11: I could feel the life force straining from me, and 325 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 11: I know I was dying. 326 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 4: Daryl, in the passenger seat, was spared the full brunt 327 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 4: of the blast, but also sustained injuries. He spoke to 328 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 4: Sojourn or Truth Radio about the bombing. 329 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 15: For me, all I know is I thought I was dead, 330 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 15: actually because I had no frame of reference as to 331 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 15: what had just happened. My ears were ringing. I learned 332 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 15: later that was my eardrums flapping. The car was bouncing 333 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 15: up and down, and then when it came to a 334 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 15: grinding halt. Two kids came out of Oakan High because 335 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 15: this happened right in front of Oakan High School on 336 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 15: Park and MacArthur, and they came running out, going, it's 337 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 15: a bomb, it's a bomb. The first thing I did 338 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 15: was make sure Judy was okay, and she was not okay, 339 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 15: and so I kept her talking and I just kept 340 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 15: telling her that I loved her, over and over and 341 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 15: over again. 342 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: It was a powerful bomb that would have killed both 343 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 4: Judy and Darryl if it had functioned as intended. Again, 344 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 4: Andy Caffrey. 345 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 6: The only reason they weren't killed is the pipe bomb 346 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 6: had a defective end cap, so most of the force 347 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 6: blew out the driver's side of the door instead of 348 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 6: blowing up into Judy. 349 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 4: Even with the malfunction, Judy's car was totaled, the windshield 350 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 4: was blown out, the roof blowed upwards, the left rear 351 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 4: door torn from its hinges. After the explosion, With Judy 352 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 4: either unconscious or barely conscious, the car drifted into the 353 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: oncoming lanes, bounced off two other cars, and came to 354 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 4: a stop at the intersection of Park and MacArthur Buller Arts. 355 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 4: A man named Bob Vandermere was driving to an afternoon 356 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 4: baseball game when he heard the explosion and felt the concussion. 357 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 4: He told the examiner the female driver was unconscious and 358 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 4: sort of smack up against the door on the driver's side. 359 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 4: As I approached, a man in the passenger seat popped up, 360 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 4: bleeding pretty bad all over. He started yelling, help get 361 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 4: me out of here. Judy was grievously injured. Darryl fared better. 362 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 3: Darryl was really lucky. 363 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 6: He had one of his eyes, had a lens scratch, 364 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 6: and he had cut on his head. 365 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 3: And I think his ears were ringing for a long time. 366 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 4: Later in this series, we will examine the immediate law 367 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: enforcement response to the bombing, because as the bombed out 368 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 4: shell of Judy's car lay in the middle of the street, 369 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: things did not play out as they should have. Oakland 370 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 4: Police were first on the scene, but after that things 371 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 4: got strange. 372 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: My name's David Helvarregam, a long time journalist, private investigator, 373 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: and founder of Blue Frontier, which is a ocean policy group. 374 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: Whenever there's a bombing, the first responders, the first law 375 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: enforcement agency to investigate is the alcohol, tobacco, firearms. At 376 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: the scene of the pipe bomb that went off in 377 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: Judy Barry's car, FBI Domestic Terrorism Unit was there and 378 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: basically said we're taking over this investigation, told ATF to 379 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: beat it, and then basically worked and spoon fed the 380 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: Oakland PD, and. 381 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 4: Before the day was up, Judy and Darryl would not 382 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 4: only be the victims of the car bombing, they would 383 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 4: be the prime suspects. 384 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 8: In just twenty four hours, the two people who were 385 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 8: injured when a bomb exploded in a car in Oakland 386 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 8: went from victims to official suspects. Amid outrage and denials 387 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 8: from the environmentalist group Earth First. Forty year old Judy 388 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 8: Barry and thirty three year old Aryl Journey have been 389 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 8: charged with possessing and transporting and explosive device. 390 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 4: Judy was placed under arrest at the hospital, where she 391 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 4: would be for weeks as she recovered from her injuries. 392 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: Darryl was released from the hospital wearing an eyepatch. He 393 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 4: was arrested and taken to the Oakland Jail. Oakland Police 394 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 4: Lieutenant Mike Simms explained the reasons behind Judy and Darryl's 395 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 4: arrests at a press conference. 396 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 9: The decision to arrest was based on the placement of 397 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 9: the device in the vehicle, the nature of its construction, 398 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 9: physical and other evidence that we developed by the investigators 399 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 9: for that. 400 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 4: But Judy and Daryl hadn't planted the bomb. We still 401 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 4: don't know who did. At the time of creating this podcast, 402 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 4: thirty five years after the fact, there has not been 403 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 4: an arrest made in this case. We know that Judy 404 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 4: Barry and Darryl Turney did not place the bomb that 405 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 4: could easily have killed them both. Beyond that, there's a 406 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: timeline of a before the bomb detonated. There's the failure 407 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: of the FBI and local police departments to meaningfully investigate 408 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: the crime. And perhaps most of all, there's the activism 409 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 4: that Barry and Churney were leading and the fierce opposition 410 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: to their efforts, efforts that sought to save swaths of 411 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 4: the tallest, oldest trees on the planet from a campaign 412 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 4: of clearcutting planned by Timber Corporation. And there are the suspects. 413 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 4: In the heated environment of Ecotopia, there were plenty of 414 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 4: people who might have wanted Judy dead for ideological or 415 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: personal reasons. And there was another possibility put forward by 416 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 4: Judy and those close to her, a conspiracy involving elements 417 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 4: of the corporate timber industry and the FBI, a possibility 418 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 4: suggested by the extreme tactics taken by corporate Timber to 419 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 4: stop Earth First, and by the FBI's history of sabotaging 420 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 4: radical groups through infiltration and violence, including just the year 421 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 4: before Earth First itself. We'll look at this story, which 422 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 4: played out in Arizona later in the series. This is 423 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 4: the story of people who saw irreversible environmental damage being 424 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: committed and did everything they could to stop it. It 425 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 4: is the story of how an act of violence came 426 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 4: to overshadow the accomplishments of a woman who could inspire 427 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: and enrage in her efforts to stop the leveling of 428 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 4: the Redwood forest in northernmost California. And it is the 429 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 4: story of how the battle over the identity of who 430 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: placed the bomb became a proxy war over her legacy. 431 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 4: This season on Rip Current. 432 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 16: There was a general consensus among the logging community that 433 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 16: if anybody was caught spike in a tree, they just 434 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 16: crucify a crack. 435 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 10: And then my whole head started to ring like a 436 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 10: citar in my head, like and the car came to 437 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 10: a streaking home and then I heard somebody scream out, 438 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 10: it's a bomb. 439 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 7: I think that the implications of deep ecology capitalism would 440 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 7: have to go, And that's one of the reasons I 441 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 7: think we're such a threat. 442 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 15: She definitely had the kind of personality where she amplified 443 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 15: your feelings about her, whatever they were. 444 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 3: It was like that incident out in the woods when 445 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: one of the longing temper pawler guys punched the woman, 446 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: knocked her own, broke her nose. It was that level 447 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: of intensity. Who what guy knocks a woman out? I mean, 448 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: what the hell is this? What are we doing here? 449 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 12: When the evidence indicated that she was the victim and 450 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 12: not the terrorist, the FBI lost interest. I mean the 451 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 12: FBI failed as law enforcement. That's my perspective. 452 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 11: RIP Current was written and hosted by Toby Ball. Our 453 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 11: executive producers are Trevor Young and Matt Frederick, with supervising 454 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 11: producer Remat el Kyali and producers Nomes Griffin and Jesse Funk. 455 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 11: Original music by Jeff Sanoff. Our voice actor for Judy 456 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 11: Barry is Gina Riccikey. Editing and sound design by Nomes Griffin, 457 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 11: Rima el Kylie and Jesse Funk. The show is mixed 458 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 11: by Rima el Kyali. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit 459 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 11: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.