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Speaker 1: Get ready for my new podcast. That Moment with Damon John.

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Speaker 3: Here with that Moment with Damian John. Now I gotta

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Speaker 2: Right right, because he grew up in popp No way

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Speaker 2: So they're like, you know, Nori, it's Nature session tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So Nature, this is Nature's session. This is nature session.

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Speaker 2: This is real. Yeah, I was knocking. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You know what I thought? I said nothing. I'm just

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Speaker 2: Dre was playing beats. He plays this beat what came

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at Nature because this is like kind of

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Speaker 1: This is a rap. No, no, yeah it is. I

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Speaker 3: And but you got the head guy like yo laya,

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Speaker 1: You guess you start taking the big leg right off

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Speaker 2: Well, no, he asked me to give you grace, So

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Speaker 1: So I went in. I laid that whole ship. One

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Speaker 1: My only thing was I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, yo, I want to see my old contract. I

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Speaker 1: And it forced me to learn the business.

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Speaker 2: And I never made that mistake again, all right, So listen,

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Speaker 2: I killed that man, I put that together. Go ahead

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Speaker 2: for that, Go ahead, two very powerful things there, right,

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Speaker 2: We would do that every I mean I called we

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Speaker 2: A lot of people think when that moment comes, because

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Speaker 1: And this guy? How How did what would you say?

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Speaker 2: That always been your life of saying I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Or was just that your wrap or your excuse me,

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Speaker 2: And I was five percent of the time, so me rememorizing,

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Speaker 2: to notice is my memory got shot. But I started

441
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: using my memory for rhymes instead of lessons, right and

442
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: so so so for for people listening, like my wife

443
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 2: who's extremely white, will say what is she doesn't.

444
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: Try to be anything else, Honey, what is a five percent?

445
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: And so honey, that is when Nod says he's God,

446
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: the god? Uh you know, So just so you know,

447
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: I'm to tell the truth. At that time for young

448
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: black men, yeah, that was.

449
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: The route to go.

450
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: Like right now, I see gangs in New York City

451
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 2: and I wish the gods existed. I wish they came

452
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: in because the guards were about education and still and

453
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: still are.

454
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 1: That's will beat you up though they getting you up

455
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: in a way.

456
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: Listen, you're doing wrong for the community is what you

457
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: need to do, all right and absolutely so. So all right,

458
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: so now we're going into you learning these things. But

459
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: what I want to understand is that you can't necessarily

460
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: have that passion because whether call and I will break dancing.

461
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know that it helped us

462
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: a lot because Larry introduced us to certain people, and

463
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: later on it would help us down the road we

464
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: didn't know to beget as the breakdonswer it would work

465
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 2: for us later on. But what about somebody who's not

466
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 2: who is practicing in that mirror, whether it's pitching to

467
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: be able to find a day, pitching to a professor

468
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: and or somebody, what if they don't have that?

469
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Did it?

470
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 3: Anytime you you were doing something that you were like,

471
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: I'm not feeling it, you know, the wrap the wrap

472
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 3: thing I'm feeling but you know what I was pitching

473
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: trying to I don't know, be part of the chess club.

474
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit what it is. I'm not

475
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: feeling it. I'm not I'm not wanting to put the

476
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: work in.

477
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: When you don't feel it, do you go, I'm not

478
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: right And I should do it because this is what

479
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to do, or should you trust your gut

480
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: and say I got to put that energy somewhere else.

481
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: When do you get deterred of doing that? Overdoing? Was

482
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to be? I wanted to be. I wanted

483
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: to be one of the best. But what about anything

484
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: else did you try?

485
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: Is that? Was that it?

486
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: And you just you just because maybe you hit that

487
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: vein of goal. I found.

488
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: I found that I always was excited about pitching any

489
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: form of selling, whether it was selling a shovel, your snow,

490
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 3: selling those hats, selling to get car parts, uh for

491
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: you know, an auction car that I bought they were

492
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: broken up that I tried to sell, selling to get

493
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: you on my dollar, Van. I was always excited about

494
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: telling you something that I'm selling. Was that just what

495
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: it was?

496
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: Well me, I started to understand.

497
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: I started to understand failure, and I understand I understand

498
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: failure as an experience and not as a loss.

499
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

500
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: The War Report album was critically acclaim for MIC's and

501
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: a source, and I'm still selling crack.

502
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: I remember Acnelly. I can see him make a sound

503
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: the crab I will I didn't see you know what

504
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't see anything about cocaine, and yeah,

505
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't think it's in my Google and we're not

506
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: going to cut that.

507
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember me not knowing what I what

508
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: I'm into. And Ocnelly, who's another famous rapper from from

509
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: Left Rock City, Coconnelly sees me make make a cell

510
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: and he's so offended he dropped.

511
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: He pulled over and he's like, what the fuck are

512
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: you doing? And I'm like what I did before? Like

513
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: what what?

514
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: What is so like he's like he's he's he's like, yo,

515
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: can you pay attention to your environment? And I'm like

516
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: I am, that's why I'm here. And he's like no,

517
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: he's like I think he's called you an idiot.

518
00:25:59,520 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

519
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: He's like no, look at every single car, and every

520
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: single car was playing the War Report, but I'm thinking these.

521
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: Guys were just driving through to impress me.

522
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: And it like he's really out here, like you know

523
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I'm not thinking it's the critical.

524
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 5: Playing like like oh, he's really here, like he's about

525
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 5: that life. And I'm like, word, whatever that was back then,

526
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, word that could have been every every close

527
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 5: and detective playing it could have been buying it from

528
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: because it is right here right now.

529
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: It could have been that too.

530
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: And then and then at the time Ocdelli taught me

531
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: something that was very very very very powerful. Ocnelly had

532
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: one second one record. Yeah, I believe it's put it

533
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: in your mouth, Put it in your mouth. Yeah.

534
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 3: He's known for the nightclub gentleman club type of joint, right,

535
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: you know before te Payne was talking about it, right,

536
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: so I think he owns a lot of gentlemen's clubs.

537
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, y, yeah he still does. So he

538
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: he did, he did something that was crazy.

539
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: He knew that he had one record at the time,

540
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 2: one record that was very very popular. Others that other records,

541
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: but it wasn't as popular as as everyone else. So

542
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: what I can lily did was like, yo, you out

543
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: here hustling, how much you had on I think I

544
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: had five hundred dollars pack? Was a five hundred dollars pack.

545
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: I was risking my life for five hundred dollars, right,

546
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: and back then they were give away football on the list,

547
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: like said, he said, how.

548
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: Much you have on you? I said, I got five

549
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth. He gave me five.

550
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars and said, you're gonna come on tour with me. Said,

551
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be out here fucking your life up

552
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: and you don't know who the hell you are, I'm

553
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: gonna bring you on toll So I think he paid

554
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: me like five hundred dollars to the rest of the

555
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: like nigga, you use out for five hundred, so you

556
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: got to then sell crack on tour, no idea. I

557
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: stopped immediately once once I was told how dumb I was,

558
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: I actually realized it.

559
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: So I went on.

560
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: I went on tour, and what I didn't noticed, like

561
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: I said, we didn't have algorithms, we didn't have Twitter,

562
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: we didn't have Instagram. And when I went on to

563
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: them and I started performing records, I said, these people

564
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: know my ship, and I realized they know my records,

565
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: but they didn't know who the fuck I was. So

566
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: anybody could have been nor Ye at this time. Because

567
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: if you ain't have video music box, if you might

568
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: have Ralph McDaniel.

569
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: Ralph that man, you won't have everybody old Ralph huge

570
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: won't have the box, or you know, if you if

571
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: you were on what was the dude, name a lot

572
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: of queens where doctor d now I was doing at

573
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: nighttime mister Magic okay, okay, okay, you know who is yea,

574
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: And people didn't know how mister Magic looked how it was.

575
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: It was radio. So that's when I knew.

576
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, this is some worldwide this is

577
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: a worldwide thing.

578
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: This is not just for left right.

579
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: Remember I made the War Report, which is the first

580
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: album in Comona Noea.

581
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: We made it for Jamaica, queens. We didn't make it

582
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: for Jamaica. We made it for it was as big

583
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: as your world was.

584
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: And but the world gravity to say the towards it,

585
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: and they did that. And then that's when I started

586
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: to like, you know what, she is not local no more.

587
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: And I was saying all that to say there was

588
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: that you said. That attitude is said the attitude that

589
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: I developed the mind stake. And that's how I got

590
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: it was me knowing that the things that I'm making

591
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: for my hood, it is working worldwide.

592
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: So I had to go to I had to go

593
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: for my mentality of the block to the world. Can

594
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: I ask you something and and please forgive me. I've

595
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: just been through so much. Page Why did Nori? Why

596
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: did component up? Me and Compone met end up getting locked.

597
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: We met in jail and Compone got caught with guns. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah,

598
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: it's well know we met in jail. That's you gotta

599
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: you got a terrible google. It's well documented.

600
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Bracket. All right, all right, actually.

601
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm actually like that. But he got caught with guns

602
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: and he had to go back up state. And what's

603
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: crazy is I I felt so crazy for him because

604
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: we met, like I said, in there, and then he

605
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: went back. Our album blew up, like as it blew

606
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: is blowing up. This guy is in cuffs, and so

607
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: I got it, I got one, I got so. I

608
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: got a couple of really quick questions, man, because this

609
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: is this is the moment, right I I look at

610
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: I look at these cats like I saw when those

611
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: those young brothers who now they did a lot of stuff,

612
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: and forgive me again, these young brothers who just got

613
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: caught up, they were on them Jorge, what's that podcast

614
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: with our brother out of Philadelphia and wall I was like, yo,

615
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: you see all these cats, man, you all all cats.

616
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: All these cats are gonna and they all got a

617
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: gunner and all these people like a lot of them

618
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: got caught up right and young thug and all of them,

619
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: and they know how they knew or no, I don't

620
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: know the deal how big they were. But at that point,

621
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you man, for you to say that

622
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: you don't know how big you were, rap was a

623
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: very it was a very young art and for you

624
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: to hear it going down and there wasn't there wasn't

625
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: a I'm hearing it on the internet and I'm streaming it.

626
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: It was out of people's cars. They were probably thirty

627
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: recognized rappers in the world at that time. You're still

628
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: selling crack now, I understand whatever you would do.

629
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't one of the thirty. You got one of those.

630
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: Listen to hear your name, O hear your name? I

631
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: mean listen and radio at that time it wasn't just rap.

632
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: They were playing the Beg's as well as whatever else

633
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: everybody through there. How could you not recognize the power

634
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: who you were. Now, when we look at these young

635
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: brothers and we say.

636
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: How are they still gang banging at that time, I

637
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: assumed that maybe the street had grabbed hold of them

638
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: and they was like, listen, I know you're doing this

639
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: where you owe us this.

640
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna.

641
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: Why, really, why didn't you have that common sense to say,

642
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: I worked so hard is here? I know I'm hungry,

643
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: but I can't do the most the worst thing you

644
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: could possibly do.

645
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: You were doing, you know, let me tell you the truth.

646
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: We would be totally honest. I didn't know.

647
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: I just didn't know that my album worked. Like I'm

648
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: so jealous of this generation.

649
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: They can they can.

650
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: They can post anything right down and they can know

651
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: exactly what worked and what didn't work.

652
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: We couldn't we Do you know that when.

653
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: You did a magazine back then, you had to do

654
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: it three months in advance.

655
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: I remember, do you remember.

656
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 3: And what I put in if it was today, if

657
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: Colin and Keith and I were or Jay put in

658
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: an ad today of an item today.

659
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: There was hot by the time we shot it.

660
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Speaker 3: It took a month to develop the film and everything

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Speaker 3: all right, how we put it in and they came

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Speaker 3: out three mothers.

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Speaker 1: There would be a whole new style.

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, who no, that's my point. It was about

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Speaker 2: to say, so yeah, back then, it was just crazy,

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Speaker 2: like I did not I wish I wish.

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Speaker 1: We had these.

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Speaker 2: I wish we had smartphones even though I don't like

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Speaker 2: smart phones, but I wish someone could say, Yo, you

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Speaker 2: know what, you're number one in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I had to find that out.

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Speaker 1: I had to go to Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: I had to go to Connecticut and realize, Like but

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Speaker 2: but like right now, like right now, we could throw

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Speaker 2: out your food blue shirt with that's the I assume

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Speaker 2: that's black panther.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, we could throw that.

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Speaker 2: Shirt out and you could say immediately, look, this works here,

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Speaker 2: it works here, and it's not working here, right, so

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Speaker 2: let's not go there.

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Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't have that luxury.

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Speaker 2: Like if we went on tour, we went to states

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Speaker 2: and cities that hated us, Well, then when was it?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Though? Yeah, I remember that New

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Speaker 1: York they hated. No, you know why, I'm they hate

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Speaker 1: New York A lot of cocky. Well, yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't know.

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Speaker 3: So so a lot of people don't know that we

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Speaker 3: want some of the first toys that ever hit the

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Speaker 3: country because we grew up in the Hollis Queens, so

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Speaker 3: we would be roadies. And so by the way, when

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Speaker 3: Llo was your yelling out farmers, farmers because he only

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Speaker 3: knew his world.

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Speaker 2: He was on my farmer's boulevard. He wasn't talking about

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Speaker 2: cats and overall so we were able to go call

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Speaker 2: what was that tour?

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Speaker 1: We want with? It was a run dmc l O,

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Speaker 1: who J Houdini E P M D the Great? I

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Speaker 1: know it was a fresh fest.

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Speaker 3: I think, right, we want fat boys, big Daddy Kane, Right,

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Speaker 3: we want these toys.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna use I'm gonna use profanity here only for the.

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Speaker 1: Purpose of what was happening. Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: The New York Rappers would go to Virginia something like that,

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Speaker 3: and they would ramp as a while and they would

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Speaker 3: say ship.

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00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: Like, oh you Jerry Crow, motherfuckers, put your.

709
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Speaker 3: It got so disrespectful that later on what would happen

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Speaker 3: I remember is that group called NWA with Jerry Curls.

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Speaker 3: I remember they met on the tour right in Detroit

712
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Speaker 3: and the rappers were saying that New York rap was

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00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: saying that, and these cats in mechanic suits were pulling

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Speaker 3: out I mean some really heavy and they were throwing

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Speaker 3: the bottles at the police. And I remember the New

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Speaker 3: York rappers said, whoa, whoa, whoa, this one is going

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Speaker 3: special with these cats over here, and then I remember

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Speaker 3: saying I'm never going on that tour again. Then all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, the tour started making down to Florida

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Speaker 3: and we saw Uncle Luke.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm going on that way. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you. At that time, it was a very

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Speaker 1: there you go, there you go, there, here you there

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 2: He's all right, you're gonna stop jittering, right, all right,

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Speaker 2: all right, all of a sudden.

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Speaker 3: So but that's the environment of new That was the

728
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: environment of the culture, and that was happening. But I

729
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: want to get to a serious point.

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Speaker 2: You made what I would think very flawed mistakes by

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Speaker 2: being a young man that did not have a high

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Speaker 2: level of education access to information. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you say I didn't know, I didn't know, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Boom, all of a sudden, you know what you do.

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Speaker 3: Let me look at why I got charged three hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand for a studio. Let me look at my mistakes

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00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: from my last contract. People make financial decisions, relationship decisions,

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Speaker 3: and various other things. The data and the information there

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Speaker 3: they never they don't even want to look at their

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Speaker 3: bank statement because it's like looking at cancer eating your skin?

741
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: When did you decide that I need to know and

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Speaker 3: I will because that's the moment I think, right, that

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00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: is the moment we're here talking about it. What has

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00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: then pushed your success to where we are today? Of

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00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: saying I'm going to stop for a second, I'm going

746
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Speaker 3: to analyze the situation going on. I'm going to look

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Speaker 3: at the data of the information, the people around how

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Speaker 3: can I I'm going to write rhymes outside the study.

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Speaker 1: I see them doing it. Looks cool. They're burning money,

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Speaker 1: I see them smoking weed.

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: When was the moment you decided to really concentrate on

752
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: everything around you. It's gonna sound crazy because it's a

753
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 2: little bit of a longer story, but it's my second album,

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00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: my first solo album, which is the n R E album,

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00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: My pot that's the platinum album. I bumped into a

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Speaker 2: guy with the tightest shirt on in the world and

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Speaker 2: a choker, and at the time it was it was

758
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: baggy jeans and it was everything.

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Speaker 3: It was like one of those kind of like uh uh,

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Speaker 3: you got the power of those kind of dancing dudes.

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Speaker 1: What whatever.

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Speaker 2: So this guy comes to the studio, the visual you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this guy comes to the studio. He looks at me

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Speaker 2: in my face and he says, if you listen to me,

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Speaker 2: you're number one. And I said, and he said, if

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Speaker 2: you listen to me, you'll be number one. This guy

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Speaker 2: wind up being for Bret Williams. That Moment with Damon

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Speaker 2: John is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network.

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Speaker 3: For more podcasts from the Black Effect Podcast Network, visit

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Speaker 3: your favorite show and don't forget to subscribe to and

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Speaker 3: rate the show.

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Speaker 1: And of course you can all connect with me on

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Speaker 1: any of my social media platforms. At the Shark, Damon

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Speaker 1: spelled like Raymond, But what a d