Speaker 1: Who do who? Everybody? This is George with some show announcements.
Speaker 1: If you are in New York, Philly, or Boston, you
Speaker 1: have a few more chances to see the hour of
Speaker 1: stand up that I have been touring on and off
Speaker 1: for the last year and a half. This will be
Speaker 1: the last time I do this material before I tape
Speaker 1: it in April, so I would love to see some
Speaker 1: of you there. I'll be workshopping some of it and
Speaker 1: reworking some other parts and standing out the rough edges.
Speaker 1: It'll be really fun. So if you are in New York,
Speaker 1: I'll be at Union Hall on March fifth and sixth,
Speaker 1: and then I'll be at Joe's Pub on Monday, March
Speaker 1: twenty fourth. And if you're in Philly, I'll be at
Speaker 1: Philamocha March twelfth. And if you're in Boston in the
Speaker 1: Boston area, I'll be in Summerville at the Rockwell on
Speaker 1: March twentieth. There is an early show at seven and
Speaker 1: a late show at nine. I have had such a
Speaker 1: great time touring this hour over the last few months.
Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone that has already come. Like I said,
Speaker 1: will be the last time I do it, and then
Speaker 1: I can't wait to write new stuff and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to tour again. And that's pretty much it. You
Speaker 1: can find tickets at link dot com, slash George Savers
Speaker 1: and it's in my Instagram, bio and everywhere else where
Speaker 1: you might think it will be. And that is it
Speaker 1: for me. Enjoy the episode.
Speaker 2: Love You podcast starts now. Abracadabra and unan nah Hello and.
Speaker 1: Wait, what is what is the aora?
Speaker 2: George? You can't ask what the real lyrics are? Sorry
Speaker 2: you are? That is like the whole point is that
Speaker 2: you can make it up and it's your own.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay, so I will say I agree with that. However,
Speaker 1: then when I was tasked with doing that, when we
Speaker 1: were at that party, I actually struggled to mouth anything.
Speaker 2: Well, I think okay. First of all, George and I
Speaker 2: went to a party in Los Angeles, California's.
Speaker 1: We went to a party in Los Angeles, California. That
Speaker 1: was it was announced ahead of time that at midnight
Speaker 1: they would play Abercadabra, So we all knew that at
Speaker 1: midnight they would be pressing play on Abercadabra. And you know,
Speaker 1: you have to you had to sort of plan where
Speaker 1: you wanted to be so that you could be in
Speaker 1: an ideal place to be open to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really loved the New Year's energy of that,
Speaker 2: and there was like this sort of this anxiety in
Speaker 2: a positive way, sort of an excitement in the air
Speaker 2: of like, what are we going to be? Like, well,
Speaker 2: I can't go to the bathroom because it's ten minutes
Speaker 2: till midnight.
Speaker 1: Well you are. What you're not saying is that we
Speaker 1: were quite literally in line to get drinks and decided
Speaker 1: to leave the line that we were already in because
Speaker 1: we were like, this line is too long. We can't
Speaker 1: be sort of third in line yelling tequila soda while
Speaker 1: they are personal plan on abercadabra. But it did make
Speaker 1: me realize I'm now thinking, why not instill that kind
Speaker 1: of New Year's energy into just whatever you want, even
Speaker 1: if it's not at midnight, Like I know, you know,
Speaker 1: there are people have all different kinds of schedules, even
Speaker 1: if you just have a dinner party and you're like,
Speaker 1: by the way, at nine pm, we will you know,
Speaker 1: play a Tory Amos music video on YouTube that we
Speaker 1: will project. I actually think it is such a great
Speaker 1: idea and.
Speaker 2: It gives people sort of a clear like it's like
Speaker 2: an outline of the night, Like it gives you a
Speaker 2: framework to work within because it's so amorphous. If it's
Speaker 2: just like avercaever will play at some point, it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would hope so yeah. But if it's at midnight,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, now my night. It has a structure
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I what I'm about to say, I think
Speaker 1: will almost sound against the spirit of this podcast, but uh, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You would think, like the Gregorian calendar
Speaker 1: and like time, clock based time would be something you
Speaker 1: or I would consider straight. I think that would be
Speaker 1: I could easily imagine, you know, an AI generated episode
Speaker 1: where our straight topic is clocks and clock based time,
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh well yeah, straight people love to
Speaker 1: organize time, whereas queer people love to live out why yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I get it.
Speaker 2: First of all, I want that give me the AI
Speaker 2: version of our podcast. To be clear, I'm ready to retire,
Speaker 2: and I give away my rights. I give away my voice.
Speaker 1: Literally, I'm ready and consider this. I'm posting, Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: I give you my right, the rights to my voice
Speaker 1: and likeness.
Speaker 2: Take in the in the in the tone of take
Speaker 2: my wife, take my data.
Speaker 1: Take my data. So so, but I'm about to make
Speaker 1: the opposite point, which is I think because of the
Speaker 1: absolutely declining, if not non existent, trust in institutions, it's
Speaker 1: like it's almost like time is all we have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the government doesn't work. Any official buildings you're seeing on
Speaker 1: the streets you go in, it's literally someone doing ketamine.
Speaker 1: Nothing is working right now, and no one has trusted
Speaker 1: in any institutions, be it you know, the government, the media,
Speaker 1: what have you. So I'm almost like a re embrace
Speaker 1: of time, of linear time is in its own way countercultural.
Speaker 2: Right now you're saying the time is the ultimate truth
Speaker 2: and that like kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, let's like, rather than have it
Speaker 1: be this like the ethos of like, oh well the
Speaker 1: invite is at nine, but of course you want to
Speaker 1: be fashionably late, maybe we try out what if we
Speaker 1: went in a more militaristic direction, What if we really
Speaker 1: like adhere to the clock.
Speaker 2: See, I actually love that, and I think socially we
Speaker 2: need that. I want to push there's something in our
Speaker 2: lives where it's like we're basically like building in a
Speaker 2: buffer for trailers for every event in our lives. Like
Speaker 2: it's like, well, there's gonna be forty five minutes of trailers,
Speaker 2: so we can be thirty minutes late.
Speaker 1: Let's have first of all, a standing ovation for that.
Speaker 1: That is one of the most genius things I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Keep going.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sort of like enough, like I actually
Speaker 2: want someone to be like the parties at eight, get
Speaker 2: there at eight. I went to actually a party thrown
Speaker 2: by the same bad that through this abacadabra party. It
Speaker 2: was his his boyfriend's fortieth and he was like, arrive
Speaker 2: promptly at eight, and I was like, now that is
Speaker 2: a fun invite. And it worked because everyone was there
Speaker 2: with it. By eight fifteen. Everyone was there, and I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you're paying for the space, like let's
Speaker 2: get there on time fully enjoy it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough because even as we're as we're
Speaker 1: making this argument, I'm like stressed because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to be advocating
Speaker 1: for a world in which I can be a little late.
Speaker 1: And the trailer thing is actually a perfect a perfect
Speaker 1: metaphor because here's the thing. On the one side, you
Speaker 1: have regal, regal cinemas. The trailers are quite literally twenty
Speaker 1: five to thirty sence, you can actually show up an
Speaker 1: hour after the start time of the film and you'll
Speaker 1: get there at the credits, but then you'll have like
Speaker 1: an actually our guest will be able to really fact
Speaker 1: check me on this. But there are other theaters like
Speaker 1: that that are I want to it's not the Angelica,
Speaker 1: but there are other theaters that quite literally start on
Speaker 1: time with no trailers, and they play the trailers before
Speaker 1: the start yeah, which I also don't think is accepting.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think the perfect middle is sort of like like
Speaker 1: I think if you go to film for them, it's
Speaker 1: like they'll have like a few trailers, it'll be like
Speaker 1: seven minutes, and then the movie starts ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: How do you mandate that? Because that is basically what
Speaker 1: it is to be fashionably late. Yes, I agree, I'm
Speaker 1: all in, but of course sorry, oh I'm almost done.
Speaker 1: But of course, to have a common conception of fashionably late,
Speaker 1: you need to have a common language, and in a
Speaker 1: world where no one trusts institutions, there you could never
Speaker 1: actually have a commonly agreed upon definition of fashionably late,
Speaker 1: which is why in order to avoid everything, just like
Speaker 1: going to dust, you have to insist upon a specific
Speaker 1: start time. Oh you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Of course this is I mean, you made a really
Speaker 2: amazing point. And I also want to say I would
Speaker 2: love when you are about to make a point and
Speaker 2: you go sorry, I'm almost done. There's something about that
Speaker 2: that's really charming, where it's like yeah, thank you you
Speaker 2: Like it's like a you can't not make the point,
Speaker 2: Like if someone were to stop you right then, you
Speaker 2: would like potentially have a stroke or something.
Speaker 1: It's sort of the blue balls.
Speaker 2: The blue balls of ideas. Yeah, like I sort of
Speaker 2: have to Yeah, you're like, fuck, I have to have
Speaker 2: an idea. Can we address an elephant in the room
Speaker 2: before bringing our guests in?
Speaker 1: Okay, what is it?
Speaker 2: I kind of have a cold? What I have, like
Speaker 2: the slightest cold.
Speaker 1: Like have you noticed how I'm raspy?
Speaker 2: Yes? And I was actually, you're actually stealing my thunder
Speaker 2: a bit. I was like, God, I'm gonna be so
Speaker 2: like the sick one and like you're gonna be like
Speaker 2: it's everyone's gonna be like wow. He sounds so different
Speaker 2: than normal. Normally, his voice is so deeply smooth.
Speaker 1: While I almost suggested booking a studio last minute because
Speaker 1: I was sort of like in the mood to not
Speaker 1: have to deal with tech, And then I was like,
Speaker 1: what if I'm the one to suggests booking a studio,
Speaker 1: I show up with our guest, I'm literally coffee. It's
Speaker 1: it's like I'm a directly giving him, you know, coming
Speaker 1: directly from the open air market. I do have a
Speaker 1: guess as to what happened, which is that we both
Speaker 1: got sick at the Abracadabra party. Just time wise, I
Speaker 1: think that maybe makes sense that we were in a
Speaker 1: very enclosed, non non ventilated space.
Speaker 2: That's actually such a great point. That's fully what happened.
Speaker 2: We need to bring in our guest. I think that's
Speaker 2: an amazing because.
Speaker 1: I now have blue balls for bringing in our guest.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we should bring in our guest, who
Speaker 2: you know, we're famously bad at plugging things. But did
Speaker 2: it in fact write a book that by the time
Speaker 2: this episode comes out will be available for.
Speaker 1: Will be out and it is called The Talent and
Speaker 1: it is by Dan Dodario, who is our guest.
Speaker 3: Welcome Dan, Hi, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I want to say and listen, I'll say it. This
Speaker 1: is a controversial thing to open up about.
Speaker 2: This is very controversial. I can already tell you this
Speaker 2: is the first time. Oh, I can't believe you're saying it.
Speaker 1: I'm actually as guilty of this as you are.
Speaker 2: So we're very guilty.
Speaker 1: We're both guilty. This is the first time we have
Speaker 1: had a guest on promoting a book where we have
Speaker 1: both at the time of recording, finished the book. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't want to at every other
Speaker 1: point we had like red part or mostly dry, or
Speaker 1: we always or read like multiple reviews, like I'm not
Speaker 1: going in unprepared. But but this is the first time
Speaker 1: each of us has read cover to cover and we
Speaker 1: can like, we're not going to spoil anything, but we.
Speaker 2: Could if we want, absolutely if we wanted to.
Speaker 4: I'm like, the fate of my book is in your
Speaker 4: guys's hands. You cannot tell them who wins at the end.
Speaker 1: I know, and I know I was about to I
Speaker 1: was about to spoil. Well, well, I'll say this about
Speaker 1: the book.
Speaker 2: How do I put this?
Speaker 1: It's the perfect like you actually do give closure, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because the entire time I was afraid
Speaker 1: as I was reading it, which, by the way, I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it immensely. As I was reading it, I was like,
Speaker 1: if he fucks this up, I'm gonna be so fucking pissed.
Speaker 2: I have to agree. There was like one moment, like
Speaker 2: you know, three fourths through and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 2: what if it's not satisfying, Like I was like, I'm i'm,
Speaker 2: I'm I care now, and what if I don't get
Speaker 2: what if I don't get to blow my load?
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's sorry, Dan, I know we
Speaker 1: keep it by interrupting you. But it's like, if you
Speaker 1: had ended it in a way more open ended way,
Speaker 1: I would have had to pretend that was actually like
Speaker 1: so cool, because I would have had to like want
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to seem sophisticated, and I would
Speaker 1: have been like, you know, thank God, like you you didn't, like,
Speaker 1: you know, go so cliche and have a real ending.
Speaker 4: And I was planning it, yes and never apologize for
Speaker 4: interrupting me with such wonderful praise.
Speaker 3: Wow, Damn.
Speaker 4: When I was writing it, I have this like devil
Speaker 4: on my shoulder being like, go Emma, climb the guest mode,
Speaker 4: Go Emma climb the guest mode because spoiling a three
Speaker 4: year old book that I love. But at the end
Speaker 4: of that book, do you think there's going to be
Speaker 4: a resolution? And it's just kind of like, well, and
Speaker 4: then something happened. I don't want to say what at
Speaker 4: the end.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I thought part of me did think maybe
Speaker 3: it would be so about the journey, not the.
Speaker 4: Destination, to paraphrase and reverse the brutalist, to have it
Speaker 4: be like.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even matter who wins, who cares.
Speaker 4: We're kind of putting the car before the horse because
Speaker 4: it's about a fake awards race. And I think what
Speaker 4: you're saying is you feel very satisfied by finding out
Speaker 4: who wins at the end, which I'm happy about.
Speaker 1: Yes, and someone does win, so it is And do
Speaker 1: you want to sorry to be so conventional and so
Speaker 1: Barbara Walters, but would you like to just explain what
Speaker 1: the book is about.
Speaker 4: Sure, it's about five women who are nominated for an
Speaker 4: award during award season and the rivalries and friendships that
Speaker 4: develop between them as they kind of.
Speaker 3: Battle it out.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: Good, Thanks, So I read it. I studied it really hard.
Speaker 1: Dan read it to actually to cover room what I
Speaker 1: want to say, actually is I think because the kind
Speaker 1: of cliche of the Oscars are an award season is
Speaker 1: like quote unquote, it's an honor just to be nominated.
Speaker 1: I actually do think you're subverting that by having a
Speaker 1: clear winner. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's actually
Speaker 1: like more subversive to have. I think it would have
Speaker 1: been a cop out to be like it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who wins, because it's like, well, that's what they want
Speaker 1: you to think, but it actually does.
Speaker 4: Right, It actually does a lot, and those who win
Speaker 4: are really happy and those who lose are really sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also want to say, since you mentioned the
Speaker 2: guest when people don't give you an ending, I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: you know, my ass got on to Google the moment
Speaker 2: I finished that book and said the guest ending explained like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 4: And you probably found like the worst articles in the
Speaker 4: world because everyone thinks that she died and became a ghost.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, it's not
Speaker 3: the ghost. Yeah, it's the guest.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, you're misreading the title. You've got three of
Speaker 4: the right letters, but two are wrong talking about.
Speaker 2: The street shooters.
Speaker 1: I actually I want to say I love the ending
Speaker 1: of The Guests well, and then I found out. I
Speaker 1: found out that I'm in the minority and all these
Speaker 1: people don't like it.
Speaker 4: I love it for the guest it would have been
Speaker 4: wrong for my book. But I actually adore it, and
Speaker 4: I think people who don't like it, sorry Sam.
Speaker 3: Are wrong.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Wow, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I can be a little stupid when
Speaker 1: it comes to plot plot I'll say a plot based
Speaker 1: film even And I didn't understand part of the ending
Speaker 1: of Inside Man, which I rewatched for the second time
Speaker 1: and still didn't understand it recently, and I was trying
Speaker 1: to find an article that explained it, and literally no
Speaker 1: one could fully give me what I wanted.
Speaker 3: I find that so surprising.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, I get that he was inside
Speaker 1: I'm not an idiot, but.
Speaker 2: Like there was called Inside Man.
Speaker 1: There was one scene with Jodie Foster that I was like,
Speaker 1: unclear what deal was being made with her and with
Speaker 1: the politician she was working with, who I think was
Speaker 1: a mayor, and I was like, can someone just explain
Speaker 1: this to me? And no one could. Sorry, Collider dot Com,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: Got an infinite timeline. You will get that article because
Speaker 4: like every movie that's on streaming now. I was on
Speaker 4: the People magazine website the other day just my my
Speaker 4: daily spin, and one of the most recent articles was
Speaker 4: what happens at the end of Shutter Island Explained, and
Speaker 4: I was like.
Speaker 1: All right, well, okay, I got that.
Speaker 3: I I think it must just on Netflix or something.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it's like, okay, it's like someone in
Speaker 4: the Seo farm will write that article for you.
Speaker 3: Eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, enough AI takes over, You'll get that article.
Speaker 1: A I take so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny to have read the book because part
Speaker 2: of me is like, I'm like, okay, quiz me, quiz.
Speaker 3: You about what happens.
Speaker 1: We want to test me, we want credit test reading
Speaker 1: the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read.
Speaker 1: Instead of using it to actually have a productive conversation
Speaker 1: with you. We're just like proud of ourselves reading.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you.
Speaker 4: Both too, especially because I know you guys are major readers.
Speaker 4: So it's not like, oh, you went out of your
Speaker 4: way to read it. It's more like you took time
Speaker 4: away from like the Joan Didions of the world exactly.
Speaker 1: We're just exactly and talk about women that are telling
Speaker 1: themselves stories in order to live. By the way, oh
Speaker 1: story stopped, they would decease.
Speaker 2: I did find it fun to know you personally and
Speaker 2: read your book as like as a peek in. I
Speaker 2: love when you're like sort of you be like a bitch,
Speaker 2: Like I love to see you be a bitch through
Speaker 2: like through this world, like thank you. Like there was
Speaker 2: one character that, like the SNL sort of scenes, I
Speaker 2: found really funny as a peek into your perspective funny.
Speaker 4: I was curious what you guys would make of that
Speaker 4: scene in particular, basically not to do the whole synopsis,
Speaker 4: but one of the women goes on an SNL style
Speaker 4: show and gets led astray and it goes really.
Speaker 3: Wrong, and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It was all about kind of taking a situation that
Speaker 4: could happen and heightening it. I don't really think that
Speaker 4: would happen in that way, but it was kind of
Speaker 4: funny to toy with.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could definitely see someone you know who
Speaker 1: wants to like be in on the joke and who's
Speaker 1: just like is saying yes to everything and is excited
Speaker 1: about like being on SNL suddenly doing something that is
Speaker 1: perceived as super offensive to someone else.
Speaker 4: It kind of came to mind because when Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 4: was nominated for an Oscar, which is like ancient history,
Speaker 4: her monologue was like, I'm going to roast my other nominees,
Speaker 4: and she was like, Jessica Chastain, you suck, just kidding,
Speaker 4: I think you're really nice, And I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: but what if she didn't have the publicist there saying
Speaker 4: like no, now be nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which used to happen, or like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like people Julia Robbers would just sort of
Speaker 1: like give a comment that was bitchy in the nineties.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, or her T shirt that she made scare off. Wait,
Speaker 4: were there any other bitchy moments that you liked or
Speaker 4: was that the main one?
Speaker 2: Well, that one in particular. I also loved the toxic
Speaker 2: gay cast member, but like was the one that led
Speaker 2: her astray? Yeah, I mean she's iconic and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think like a lot of the book is about
Speaker 4: how gay men relate to women, which I hope you're
Speaker 4: not just there, but throughout, like I tried to have
Speaker 4: each of the women have a moment with a toxic
Speaker 4: gay man. Not to get too into it, but like
Speaker 4: early on when one of them meets the flight attendant. Like,
Speaker 4: there's just a lot of moments where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: how can we make about a gig guy even though
Speaker 4: it's about five women.
Speaker 2: No, I love that. I did love seeing the peaks
Speaker 2: of gig guy come through, like and I love like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the Jenny character. Like everyone stands her because she's
Speaker 2: kind of a flop. Like I was like, that's so yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn so true.
Speaker 4: I mean that is the thing is is I think
Speaker 4: that people in our cohort like the more someone flops,
Speaker 4: the more we're like I love her. Like thinking of Abercadabra,
Speaker 4: would it hit as hard if she hadn't just flopped
Speaker 4: in the most major way in her whole career, Like
Speaker 4: if there hadn't without a joker too? Can there be
Speaker 4: an Abercadabra?
Speaker 2: That's an amazing question.
Speaker 1: It's true and even I mean, I know that Bruno
Speaker 1: Mars song is like the number one song in the universe,
Speaker 1: but it's like, as far as the work concerned, it's
Speaker 1: a flop now, so that also counts as something that
Speaker 1: just flop.
Speaker 2: And it's like I like the song, but it's like
Speaker 2: I would never put it on, Like when would I
Speaker 2: listen to it? No? Whereas like disease is a flop too,
Speaker 2: but it's a flop.
Speaker 1: I love disease going.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and love that one.
Speaker 3: Disease is secretly incredible disease.
Speaker 1: I honestly think disease is like maybe better than africadistvocative.
Speaker 2: It's so provocative.
Speaker 1: Video is really good too.
Speaker 2: Oh I love the video.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the video is really good. Hey, it's all one
Speaker 4: cohesive whole. It's like Mayhem is like Okay. I was
Speaker 4: about to say it's giving art pop, which I meant
Speaker 4: as a compliment in that it's a cohesive body of work.
Speaker 4: But I think that to the wider world that's not
Speaker 4: a compliment.
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell. It's really hard to tell these days.
Speaker 1: It's certainly not a compliment if you are Lady Gagda,
Speaker 1: because she hates it.
Speaker 4: I saw a woman walking down the street like around
Speaker 4: our age, a woman walking down the street the other
Speaker 4: day in the neighborhood where I live, wearing an art
Speaker 4: pop logo cap. But she was otherwise just kind of
Speaker 4: in like outdoor voices with New York or toat and
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you are one interesting chica. Like
Speaker 4: I want to follow you, like, like how did this
Speaker 4: enter your wardrobe?
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was just like she worked in
Speaker 1: digital media during that time and was sent art pop merch.
Speaker 1: That's kind of while. And also in New Yorker Toad
Speaker 1: and she's just she has no idea. She was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: isn't it fun? I love Alejandro.
Speaker 4: I want to circle back on something you said in
Speaker 4: the intro when I was banned from speaking, which is
Speaker 4: the perfect amount of trailers. Oh yes, the IFC Center
Speaker 4: where it's like seven minutes in and out. And the
Speaker 4: other perfect thing about that theater is they are not
Speaker 4: assigned seats and you can just kind of have the
Speaker 4: serendipity of I have seven minutes to find somewhere good
Speaker 4: to sit. It's not so regimented, it's not so militaristic.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I like that, like the trailers.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think if C Center is
Speaker 1: a great first of all, perfect location. You literally just
Speaker 1: like to leave the subway and you enter the building.
Speaker 3: Correct, love it.
Speaker 1: However, you do get the sense that it could be
Speaker 1: a mouse at any point under a seat, and I
Speaker 1: and I really don't I say that with love for
Speaker 1: all independent cinema and for all independent movie theaters. And
Speaker 1: I go there often. In fact, I just a Milia
Speaker 1: Perez there for the second time. Wow, I don't Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Got to support her politics.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, but don't you But and and there is
Speaker 1: something charmingly what's the word, I don't know, like old
Speaker 1: New York, like like the smallest the smaller rooms at
Speaker 1: IFC are basically just like a TV, like a sort
Speaker 1: of living flatly larger wide screen TV.
Speaker 3: Is that where you saw Amelia Perez or was it
Speaker 3: a sellout crowd? Yeah, you know, hanging out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, you know, you would think it
Speaker 1: was actually post controversy, post controversy. I was like, so,
Speaker 1: who now is going to Amelia Perez at IFC center.
Speaker 1: Turns out it was me and maybe four other people
Speaker 1: and seeing it.
Speaker 4: A second time, not to hold your feet to the fire,
Speaker 4: But was it just about picking up the nuances?
Speaker 3: Did you like fall asleep the first time?
Speaker 1: No, that's a great question, so I the honest answer
Speaker 1: is that it was the only thing playing at the time,
Speaker 1: and we like had just had a big meal and
Speaker 1: wanted to just like lay down and watch something, and
Speaker 1: that was what was playing. But there was a part
Speaker 1: of me that thought it would be just like a
Speaker 1: funny bit that I'm someone who has seen Amelia Press
Speaker 1: twice and I paid to see it in theaters.
Speaker 4: I've also seen it twice. I didn't pay for it. Well,
Speaker 4: you're a professional work though, it was like obligation. I
Speaker 4: don't hate it. I think it's like fine, I think
Speaker 4: Selena is fun in it.
Speaker 1: I must disagree on that.
Speaker 3: You don't think she's fun in it.
Speaker 2: I think she's notable. I see that now that is notable.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I think there's just like an a reactionary part. Not
Speaker 1: reactionary politically, but like there was a part of me
Speaker 1: that wants to be contrarian in some way, and maybe
Speaker 1: that filtered into my view of it the second time.
Speaker 1: But the second time I big takeaway it was like,
Speaker 1: Carlosa Fiagescon is a great actress regardless of her political views.
Speaker 1: I was like, actually more impressed with her than with
Speaker 1: Zoe the second time around.
Speaker 4: Interesting, it's like this is it's really rare to get
Speaker 4: a new example of separating the art from the artist.
Speaker 4: Now that most of the directors we say that about
Speaker 4: have like stopped working, and so it's like, wow, how
Speaker 4: refreshing to have this debate once again.
Speaker 2: It's really refreshing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have okay, wait about the book. I feel
Speaker 2: like I have like two more things I want to
Speaker 2: ask please. So, like it's so based in reality, Like
Speaker 2: how did you balance like pulling from real people versus
Speaker 2: like invention.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jenna bush Hager over here, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm just like there was like some stuff. I was like, wait, not,
Speaker 2: I'm getting my damn credit.
Speaker 1: Mom.
Speaker 4: It's a great question. I was not prepared for that question. No,
Speaker 4: I was so all the situations are real. Every circumstance
Speaker 4: like has like a real world analog, like the comedy
Speaker 4: show you mentioned, like the film festivals. All that stuff happened,
Speaker 4: and I think eagle eyed readers can say, this person
Speaker 4: looks a little bit like this real world person. That
Speaker 4: person looks a little bit like that real world person.
Speaker 4: But I would try to pretty rigorous with myself and
Speaker 4: be like, I don't know what actually goes on in
Speaker 4: the minds or personal lives of these celebrities, and so
Speaker 4: all the like personal life stuff that's happening with them
Speaker 4: is like totally made up. Like there's a character in
Speaker 4: the novel who is an alcoholic where elements of her
Speaker 4: career are drawn from a couple of people I've encountered
Speaker 4: in my professional life. But then all the personal life stuff,
Speaker 4: I was just like, okay, like she's being Tennessee Williams Heroin.
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't need to have any real world backing.
Speaker 3: It's just made up. So it was kind of fun
Speaker 3: to like take it and run with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that way.
Speaker 1: I have a question. One of the women is star
Speaker 1: in the book is starring in n a Maria Callis biopic.
Speaker 1: Did you think of that before Maria was announced?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, the book was done when Maria, but the
Speaker 4: book was the first draft was done when Maria was announced,
Speaker 4: and I finished the second draft before Maria came out.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 4: I almost changed it because I saw this documentary about
Speaker 4: Maria Callis at the New Ork Film Festival like eight years.
Speaker 3: Ago and was like file this away.
Speaker 4: That was like one woman who lived a very interesting life,
Speaker 4: Like you could do something with that. And then crazily
Speaker 4: I was like, this movie has stolen my thunder, I
Speaker 4: must change it. I was going to make her a
Speaker 4: different opera singer, and then I was like, no, it
Speaker 4: could be funny if this movie goes somewhere. I was
Speaker 4: rooting for Angelina throughout this season because I like, I
Speaker 4: like the movie Maria.
Speaker 3: Actually I thought it was good. But also I was
Speaker 3: like viral promo, viral promo, like come on, come on,
Speaker 3: let's make it happen.
Speaker 4: And it didn't get across the finish line. But my
Speaker 4: thoughts were with her the whole way.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is something meta textual, like there is
Speaker 1: something not to spoil anything, but like the film Maria,
Speaker 1: the way it sort of didn't reach the heights that
Speaker 1: it was meant to reach, echoes certain parts of the book.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think it's.
Speaker 4: Just funny because just thinking about the Oscars. I don't
Speaker 4: know if this is coming out before after the Oscars,
Speaker 4: but like before before okay, fab but like something like
Speaker 4: Angelina Jolie plays Maria Callis, it's like done, pre sold,
Speaker 4: like give her the Oscar now, and then people, not me,
Speaker 4: I liked it, but people watch it and are like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: so it's actually less than the sum of its parts,
Speaker 4: and it's funny the way that can happen, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that. In the book, I tried to show
Speaker 4: how even though all the pieces might be there, you
Speaker 4: can't control the way you're perceived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, which is almost like actually a kind
Speaker 1: of in a weird way, an optimistic stance, because actually
Speaker 1: what it shows you is that like the art still matters,
Speaker 1: Like it's not just about fitting pieces together and making
Speaker 1: a movie that on paper could win an Oscar, right right,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't transcend in this way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in our world, Maria on paper should win an Oscar.
Speaker 4: And like a sex comedy about like a sex worker
Speaker 4: in ouder Borough, New York, like should not.
Speaker 1: And or a body horror yeah, like where you see
Speaker 1: some one like stitch their own back together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but enough about it. I'm still here, damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, George, as a you know, as a performer, I
Speaker 2: did feel I don't know if you felt this way,
Speaker 2: but sometimes I was like, damn called out a bit
Speaker 2: where it's like the like narcissism of being like like
Speaker 2: when you're giving and when you're not, like like to
Speaker 2: a stranger, like being like well they were like I'll
Speaker 2: give them my the razzle dazzle right now, or like yeah,
Speaker 2: us at the Bellhouse literally like I am like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's times where I'm like I can I am like
Speaker 2: very consciously thinking about like if I'm turning it on
Speaker 2: or off, and I was like, that is I've never
Speaker 2: read it before, but I was like, well it is.
Speaker 1: It is interesting, Like without sending to Navel Gayzy, like,
Speaker 1: at this stage in the media ecosystem, basically everyone is
Speaker 1: like one percent of celebrity, Like, yeah, if you're online,
Speaker 1: you like at some point we'll have the experience of
Speaker 1: like someone coming up to you and saying they know
Speaker 1: if you are or something. So it's like you get
Speaker 1: a very very slight taste of what an actual famous
Speaker 1: person would feel like, and it already makes you feel insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it has actually given me so much empathy for
Speaker 1: real celebrities because I'm like, yeah, I would be like
Speaker 1: fully in an in an American horror story asylum if
Speaker 1: I had to promote my Maria Callis biopic.
Speaker 4: It seems so kind of unlivable. Like there's this one time.
Speaker 4: There are a multiple times. Actually, most recently, I was
Speaker 4: interviewing Sebastian's Stan not to drop a name in New
Speaker 4: York and a coffee shop or something, and like people
Speaker 4: kept like walking by and like literally pointing at him
Speaker 4: like he was like a zoo animal. And it wasn't
Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't on the level of like the
Speaker 4: paparazzi pursued Brittany to rapaciously in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 4: But it was like, Okay, if I'm him, this is
Speaker 4: really distracting. I'm not even the person they're pointing at,
Speaker 4: and it's super fucking distracting. And it's like the ability
Speaker 4: to just kind of keep your focus and then like
Speaker 4: an other moments, you're like turn on the chart and
Speaker 4: be like, hey, how are you as not an ability
Speaker 4: that I really possess.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to kind of write my way into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. It was also the yeah, the whole
Speaker 2: like wanting it to be like being like once I
Speaker 2: have this, I'll feel better, very relatable as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it did make me think are they
Speaker 1: ever I'm like, is the Marile one no offense?
Speaker 3: You said it? Not me?
Speaker 1: Like, is she happy? It's like no, I'm just sort
Speaker 1: of like can any of them ever win? And also
Speaker 1: what is the equivalent? Sometimes I'm like, not that I
Speaker 1: would ever want you to write the equivalent for the
Speaker 1: male acting category. But I am a little bit like
Speaker 1: it would be so boring, but it would. There's almost
Speaker 1: like a satire version of it that could be written
Speaker 1: that's just like, yeah, while the women are literally like
Speaker 1: undergoing ego death every day, the men are just like.
Speaker 4: Right, that's like there is one actor in the book
Speaker 4: and he literally is just kind of.
Speaker 3: Like like to it all.
Speaker 4: And so I feel like the version about best actor
Speaker 4: would be a pamphlet because also like whenever I interview
Speaker 4: an actress, I feel like, and this is just me,
Speaker 4: my own filter is a gig guy, but it is
Speaker 4: like I feel like I go on this like intense
Speaker 4: emotional journey and whenever I interview an actor, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I worked really hard on it.
Speaker 3: I hope people like it. It's out in a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks, I think, and it's like okay, but give me,
Speaker 3: give me something like come on.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, the version about men I fear would
Speaker 4: be a pamphlet.
Speaker 2: Since you, you know, for your job famously interviews the
Speaker 2: libs left and right, has anyone like extra extra extra
Speaker 2: charmed you or you were like holy shit, Like dealing
Speaker 2: with this person in person is like Jarring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, other than Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 2: I can't say Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 4: It's actually not who I was gonna say, but it's
Speaker 4: gonna be perhaps predictable all the same because it's like
Speaker 4: a similar category of performer, which is and I think
Speaker 4: I've said this before, but which is on a Dharmas
Speaker 4: where I was just like.
Speaker 2: Really, you're the star, yeah, like you.
Speaker 4: Are a major, major star. I'm trying to think about
Speaker 4: more recent though, like this year. Funny enough, this is
Speaker 4: this is not someone I interviewed directly, but I was
Speaker 4: working on Actors on Actors this year and I came
Speaker 4: away from it. I need to couch this carefully. I
Speaker 4: came away from it thinking, wow, that Ryan Reynolds is.
Speaker 3: A real pro.
Speaker 4: Uh, and I I was pleasantly surprised. I don't know
Speaker 4: that I was starstruck exactly. I think, like, if I
Speaker 4: can't say Sydney Sweeney, my answers on Adharmas for like
Speaker 4: who I was like, holy shit. But in both the
Speaker 4: cases of Sweeney and Dharmas, they were people I like
Speaker 4: hadn't spent a ton of time thinking about really, and
Speaker 4: it was an assignment, and so that's kind of the
Speaker 4: nice thing it's like if it's like someone like Nicole
Speaker 4: Kidman was at Actors on Actors this year and I
Speaker 4: was like, I predict I'm going to be completely blown
Speaker 4: away and I was like, no surprise there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting about Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 1: Have we said sorry? Dan is a writer at Variety
Speaker 1: when he's not writing novels, and that is why he
Speaker 1: has interviewed a lot of celebrities and also works on
Speaker 1: Actors on Actors, which is smartastically the Variety of video
Speaker 1: feature where actors talk to other actors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so some backstory. Dan is actually a stalker, So
Speaker 2: that's sort of.
Speaker 1: How sort of like seeks out celebrities extra curric So he's.
Speaker 2: Pretty much one of the weirdest guys we know.
Speaker 4: Was so charming when I knocked on her window that night,
Speaker 4: she lit up the room as I threw rocks through it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I get your take on something, because it's something
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about. I've been seeing it more and
Speaker 1: more with the Oscar season heating up, and you just
Speaker 1: did it in fact, which is I've noticed gay guys
Speaker 1: will refer to actresses with their last name and it'll
Speaker 1: be you know the thing with Kidman the thing with
Speaker 1: more you know, And I want to sort of like
Speaker 1: theorize why that is, because I'm almost like, is it
Speaker 1: a way to make something like the Oscar Race seem
Speaker 1: somehow more serious? Or is it a way to like
Speaker 1: almost like adopt the attitude people would have towards professional
Speaker 1: sports where they would say like the last name of
Speaker 1: a player to make it sound more like it has
Speaker 1: more gravity.
Speaker 2: Mike, guess is it's familiarity without doing first names, like
Speaker 2: you want to be like, oh, of course we all
Speaker 2: know what we're talking about, like we're super familiar.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it's that.
Speaker 4: I feel like, like, you know, how on Survivor when
Speaker 4: people say like, oh, Jeff Probes will have his favorite
Speaker 4: contestants and when they win the challenge to be like
Speaker 4: good job Smith.
Speaker 3: I'm sure as opposed to like, good job John.
Speaker 4: But I also think part of it too is like
Speaker 4: thinking about like Maria Callis with like gay guys of
Speaker 4: a past generation and be like lack calls like it's
Speaker 4: like it's a little bit me being like luck hitman,
Speaker 4: LUs me me like that, like she needs no introduction,
Speaker 4: she's less Sweeney totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you stand Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I didn't know this. I feel like
Speaker 3: this was.
Speaker 4: Like a known element of our shared friendship is that
Speaker 4: I've interviewed her a couple of times, and part of
Speaker 4: why I stand her is that she is truly self
Speaker 4: aware in this way where the first time I interviewed her,
Speaker 4: I was one of true journalists interviewing her together as
Speaker 4: a team, and at the end, she was like, all right, guys,
Speaker 4: this has been really fun. Now, remember I'm aware of
Speaker 4: the parts that were said that are going to be
Speaker 4: used for headlines, and so try to minimize those and
Speaker 4: talk more about the work if you can, but if
Speaker 4: you can't, I get it. And I was just like,
Speaker 4: holy shit, Like I think of myself as like very
Speaker 4: in on the game, and I feel like I just
Speaker 4: got gamed in this way, in this way that I
Speaker 4: really admire and thought was so smart. And I've interviewed
Speaker 4: her again and it was it was a really great experience.
Speaker 4: I also think she's I think she's a great actress.
Speaker 2: No, I stand I stand quite hard. Actually I agree,
Speaker 2: So that's good to know.
Speaker 1: Wait, let's start for a secondent because I want to
Speaker 1: get into the topic. Oh yeah, I agree, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: you you ahead, Oh, okay, Dan.
Speaker 2: Our first one is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,
Speaker 2: we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire
Speaker 2: questions to gauge your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture.
Speaker 2: It's basically this thing or this other thing, and the
Speaker 2: only rule is you can't ask a single follow up
Speaker 2: question or will scream scream scream George, you want to
Speaker 2: kick us off?
Speaker 1: Yes, turning a look at can or reading a book
Speaker 1: by Dan, reading a book by Dan.
Speaker 2: Losing your religion, or cooing like a pigeon.
Speaker 1: Cooing like a pigeon, Miramax or musen Xinx.
Speaker 2: Lock and load, or frog and Toad, Frog and toad.
Speaker 1: The French New Wave or Judy Dench should have been
Speaker 1: in conclave the.
Speaker 2: French New Wave getting mixed signals or eating six pringles.
Speaker 3: Getting mixed signals.
Speaker 1: Amy Adams, Jamie Dornan, maymy Gummer or fame is a
Speaker 1: prison Mami Gummer.
Speaker 2: Really good work, Okay, blurg irma gird or awkward blur.
Speaker 1: Not believe me?
Speaker 2: That was we actually kind of brought it that one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I tried to make mine all quasi Oscar's theme. No,
Speaker 1: that was across.
Speaker 3: That did come across beautifully.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it is iconic that you chose Mami
Speaker 1: Gummer over both Amy Adams and you know, sort of
Speaker 1: by extension Lady Gaga, who of course said fameus a prison.
Speaker 1: I would say, obviously you knew exactly what was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was no hesitation. It's clear that you're familiar with
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I'm almost like, is choosing Mami Gummer so pick me.
Speaker 1: It's like so unexpected that it's almost a slap in
Speaker 1: the face. Sam, what do you think?
Speaker 2: I think? You know, there was something about that whole
Speaker 2: performance where I was really like like he's stepping up
Speaker 2: to the plate, Like there was something so like like
Speaker 2: he's being.
Speaker 1: Very Adrea Benedictine this moment.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was very like you think, I'm like gonna
Speaker 2: play this game like I'm I've been I know this
Speaker 2: game better than you know this game, like enough enough games.
Speaker 2: So that felt like it was almost like that an
Speaker 2: understudy has to go out and then like does way
Speaker 2: better than the.
Speaker 1: Star Totally okay, so what do we think, like I'm
Speaker 1: going to go nine twenty two?
Speaker 3: Yes, Wow, yeah, thanks guys, pretty.
Speaker 2: Big, pretty good.
Speaker 1: One of the best scores we've had in a while.
Speaker 3: That's what. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I without further ado, I do want to
Speaker 1: get into the topic because I'm actually very excited to
Speaker 1: talk about this ones and so Dan, please tell us
Speaker 1: what your straight topic is and maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: about what's straight about it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so my topic is Pink, not the color, but
Speaker 4: the recording artist. This came to mind because I was
Speaker 4: recently listening.
Speaker 3: To the Mula Roofe soundtrack, just refreshing my memory, of course,
Speaker 3: and I was thinking of Marmalade. Yeah exactly, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: lady Marmelote and how.
Speaker 4: On it Like the entire song is structured as a
Speaker 4: build toward Wait till you see what Christina does in
Speaker 4: the final act. Like it's basically black Swan, Like it's
Speaker 4: like everything is in anticipation of this massive final act
Speaker 4: and indeed she like sings completely incoherently and amazingly, and
Speaker 4: she doesn't even know where she is as she's singing.
Speaker 4: In the process of getting there. There are a few others,
Speaker 4: and Pink is the one out of the entire song
Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, the assignment is sing a sexy
Speaker 4: song about the mooamerge I got it, and I was
Speaker 4: thinking about how everything in her career feels just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: if this is what you people want, I'll do it.
Speaker 4: There's like never been a wink to her. No, there's
Speaker 4: never been a wink to pink. There's never been irreverent
Speaker 4: feeling or a feeling of kind of testing things out,
Speaker 4: which is especially pronounced given that her whole deal for
Speaker 4: the past like twenty years has been like, I'm the
Speaker 4: pop star who's an acrobat, and that.
Speaker 3: Should be circus. It should be it should be so late,
Speaker 3: it should be kind of sexy and intriguing but also
Speaker 3: funny and absurd, literally flipping things on its head. And
Speaker 3: yet the feeling I get when.
Speaker 4: I see one of those videos of her doing like
Speaker 4: the zip line across the stadium is just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: what I'm going to do is it feels like like
Speaker 4: if you were taking a trapeze course and the instructor.
Speaker 4: It's like when Carrie takes a trappeze course in Sect
Speaker 4: and City, and the instructor is.
Speaker 3: Just like, all right, you do need these harnesses to
Speaker 3: be safe.
Speaker 4: And it's like there's never any kind of she's like
Speaker 4: the anti Gaga in this way where like totally she's
Speaker 4: never had a super high high because she's never really
Speaker 4: had a super low low. It's just kind of always
Speaker 4: like I have a playbook and I'm executing it, and
Speaker 4: it's like, but I want to see blood and guts
Speaker 4: and I want to see you follow off the trapeeze
Speaker 4: one time?
Speaker 3: What would happen? Right?
Speaker 1: Where's the vulnerability?
Speaker 2: Where's the vulnerability?
Speaker 1: She does, Sam, What is your what are your I have?
Speaker 1: I have so much to say? What are your associations
Speaker 1: of think?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: The biggest one, of course, is that my mom is
Speaker 2: pink biggest fan exactly. My mom is like so addiutioned
Speaker 2: to Pink in a way that is like where I
Speaker 2: actually feel almost that I have to tread lightly so
Speaker 2: it's not to hurt her feelings. I don't know. She
Speaker 2: usually she doesn't listen, maybe this listening, but but this
Speaker 2: one she might listen. So I honestly want to say, Mom,
Speaker 2: I think you might have stopped listening if you're listening
Speaker 2: right now, because this conversation is we have to be honest,
Speaker 2: and we can't be honest if we're worried about your
Speaker 2: feelings about Pink, and I respect how much you love Pink,
Speaker 2: but I have to be honest with my podcast right now. Okay, George,
Speaker 2: tell us your thoughts. Okay.
Speaker 1: So my grand theory of Pink is that there's pre
Speaker 1: Ellen Pink and post Ellen Pink. So I think that
Speaker 1: Pink in early in her career, I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would go so far as say there
Speaker 1: was that vulnerability that you're looking for Dan, but she
Speaker 1: was certainly there was an authenticity, Like I think first
Speaker 1: she was like truly trying to do hip hop in
Speaker 1: this like crazy way that whatever you think about it
Speaker 1: in retrospect, was authentic to her, Like you could tell
Speaker 1: it came from a love of hip hop and she
Speaker 1: like was trying something, whether she was succeeding or not,
Speaker 1: like it was truly she was trying to be like
Speaker 1: a white hip hop artist. Then she went into this
Speaker 1: kind of like almost like rock and roll direction, and
Speaker 1: she like saying trouble stripped down with a guitar at
Speaker 1: the Grammys or like the Amas or Amas or something.
Speaker 1: She was sort of like like sexy and provocative and
Speaker 1: she would like wear a bra and she was sort
Speaker 1: of like uncategorizable because she wasn't Britney, but she also
Speaker 1: wasn't you know Indie. Obviously, then of course you got
Speaker 1: the stupid girl's ear where she's like out being outspoken
Speaker 1: about how like women are stupid.
Speaker 2: Now, well, she was the anti Brittany.
Speaker 1: She was literally the anti Brittany, which was this is
Speaker 1: just a Prentice like especially sort of like damning considering
Speaker 1: pink was literally like in a duet with Christina Aguilera,
Speaker 1: who's also Brittany. Like it the idea that Pink is
Speaker 1: less or more, but then Brittany is very sort of
Speaker 1: missing the point anyway. The point is I would say
Speaker 1: she had less of a cohesive style, but she was
Speaker 1: throwing spaghetti at the wall in this way where you
Speaker 1: were like, maybe something will come out of this, and
Speaker 1: sure enough, many big hits did, like at the party started,
Speaker 1: and I think Miss Undoes Dude is an incredible record.
Speaker 3: The body of work, the body of body of work.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then post Ellen is when she becomes fully.
Speaker 2: Like target brand clown, target clown.
Speaker 1: Clown but also inspiration porn. It's it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: this one goes out to all the misfits, but you're
Speaker 1: performing at a sorority party. Like it's like, yes, you're
Speaker 1: you're performing in front of all kind of like middle
Speaker 1: class moms and you're saying, raise your glass to all
Speaker 1: the misfits, and they're all like.
Speaker 4: WHOA, Well, that's the song where she tries to it's
Speaker 4: like she tried to start a little monster style thing
Speaker 4: by referring to her fans as the dirty little freaks,
Speaker 4: which has never really sat right with me because A,
Speaker 4: it's just not very like it's like it needed one
Speaker 4: more pass from the gig guy in the room that's
Speaker 4: not there and be It's like, your fans are just
Speaker 4: not dirt dirty little freaks.
Speaker 3: They are like candle buyers.
Speaker 1: Yes, there, it is there. Exc that's exactly what they are.
Speaker 1: They are candle buyers had Bath and body Works. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not Yankee candle, but it's Bath and body Works.
Speaker 4: I wanted to say Magnolia, but it's pre Magnolia, so
Speaker 4: it's like it's bath and body Works.
Speaker 2: Yes, but that song in particular is so funny, Like
Speaker 2: when I hear that song, I'm sort of like, I'm
Speaker 2: glad you've been on this insane journey because when you
Speaker 2: remove it from the context of the Midwestern moms. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's like one of the funniest pieces of music we have.
Speaker 1: It is incredible. I mean the fact that the guts
Speaker 1: it takes to literally release a song where it's nana
Speaker 1: no no, no, nana, Like it's literally sampling a back
Speaker 1: what's it called, like school yards? It's on easing song taunts.
Speaker 2: The last thing I wore songs in one sorry keep going. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Last thing I will say is something that we have
Speaker 1: to mention is that the post Ellen bet On, Bath
Speaker 1: and body Works paid off hugely. Yes, because something some
Speaker 1: people that are like in our circles don't know is
Speaker 1: that Pink is, like I think has the second most
Speaker 1: like best selling world tour after Taylor Swift or something.
Speaker 2: She like.
Speaker 1: Her sales are insane and she's insanely popular internationally because
Speaker 1: there's an ESL Eurovision vibe to all her music. So
Speaker 1: it's actually very relatable if you live in like Estonia.
Speaker 4: She kind of reminds me now that you mentioned it,
Speaker 4: and this does undercut my argument, but I'm confident in
Speaker 4: the argument regardless. She kind of reminds me of like Cascata,
Speaker 4: like aesthetically and a little bit in the music as well.
Speaker 4: But you know, to your point, prising up our elements
Speaker 4: of your argument in the pre period when she was
Speaker 4: more messy and dare we say it more gay just
Speaker 4: in the sense that she was just trying things spontaneously.
Speaker 4: Don't you wish like a song like Stupid Girls should
Speaker 4: be either intentionally funny in that it's curing people accurately
Speaker 4: or unintentionally funny because it's such an insane concept, And
Speaker 4: it's kind of neither. It's like, it's like, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to bring this back to my.
Speaker 3: Book and the concept of like women picking on each other, but.
Speaker 4: It is like, okay, if nothing else, this should just
Speaker 4: be like such a wild overstep. And it came out
Speaker 4: and I feel like people were just like, Okay, that's
Speaker 4: pink heard from anyway?
Speaker 3: What else is going on.
Speaker 1: With the insane video where she's like directly making fun
Speaker 1: of like Paris Hilton and whatever, and and then and
Speaker 1: the lyrics are so basic, what happened to the dream
Speaker 1: of a girl president she's dancing in the video next
Speaker 1: to fifty cent That is her take.
Speaker 4: Yes, I do feel like if she ever apologized for it,
Speaker 4: I'm sure she probably did, But I also feel like
Speaker 4: everyone has just forgotten that in part because like she's
Speaker 4: so self help now that it's like, oh, Pink would
Speaker 4: ever do something like that. She basically is Brene Brown,
Speaker 4: Like she basically just is such a kind of quasi
Speaker 4: inspirational figure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually think what you're talking about in
Speaker 1: terms of like her not being able to commit to
Speaker 1: either you know, full camp or full let's say, cringe
Speaker 1: or whatever, like stupid Girls is right in the middle
Speaker 1: of that. I actually think that could also be applied
Speaker 1: to like appear like her fashion choices, her hair, like
Speaker 1: everything is in this weird dare I say, uncancanny Valley,
Speaker 1: Like it's like between good and bad.
Speaker 2: You're kind of there's something about her that it's kind
Speaker 2: of similar to this where I'm like, she doesn't exist
Speaker 2: in a place like I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: pop stars you can be like, oh, they're like that's
Speaker 2: New York Lower East Side, like that they're going for
Speaker 2: like a like Los Angeles, they're going for Houston. Like
Speaker 2: there's like a there's something where it's like it does
Speaker 2: exist in a space and it's just like you're translating
Speaker 2: where you're from to a larger audience. And Pink, it's like, like,
Speaker 2: what is your Like it's half like I'm redneck, half
Speaker 2: I'm hip hop, half I'm target and it's like it's
Speaker 2: so confusing.
Speaker 1: I think that connect that relates to the Eurovision thing.
Speaker 1: There's something that is like it's almost like someone who
Speaker 1: grew up in a small European country consuming American pop
Speaker 1: culture and then tried to emulate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and she.
Speaker 4: Always it always goes through that pink filter, if of
Speaker 4: like a sort of light lack of taste and just
Speaker 4: kind of blending it all together. Where like basically since
Speaker 4: the Ellen Alliance, she's been the same way. I think,
Speaker 4: like the degree of the idea of eras as it
Speaker 4: work can be like very overstated, but she's been the
Speaker 4: exact same for like fifteen years and the music sounds
Speaker 4: the same, the aesthetic presentation is the same, the act
Speaker 4: as the same, and people love it. But you're a
Speaker 4: little bit like, okay, like I want dynamism because you
Speaker 4: know it could. You are missing out on the chance
Speaker 4: to do something really transcendent, but you're also missing out
Speaker 4: of the chance to like, Pink will never have an
Speaker 4: art pop Pink will never have a bionic because she
Speaker 4: will never release music that's not like completely the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she everything is like a bit crowd tested,
Speaker 2: Like it's like she's trying to succeed. And I even
Speaker 2: feel like stupid girls. I think that is her like
Speaker 2: artistic view is to be like what is popular, Like
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four, it was like hating Paris
Speaker 2: Hilton and thinking like girls were dumb, and so it
Speaker 2: was like, I will do so.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it wasn't like she was bravely speaking
Speaker 1: up like the mainstream view was American society is going
Speaker 1: to ship because of Paris Hilton and Nicole Ridge.
Speaker 5: Literally right, and that song now yeah, and even now,
Speaker 5: like the inspiration stuff, it's like, well Trump as president,
Speaker 5: and like all I can do is be like and
Speaker 5: Ellen is the biggest person on earth, I will be
Speaker 5: inspiring like that.
Speaker 1: A great example I think of the Pink ethos is
Speaker 1: a few years ago she had an album called Beautiful Trauma,
Speaker 1: which I think is the perfect title for a Pink
Speaker 1: album because it's like it's a few years after like
Speaker 1: trauma became a buzzword. Yes it's no longer fresh, but
Speaker 1: to the candle buyers and to the people in small
Speaker 1: European countries. It is the first time they've heard, right,
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, okay for everyone who hasn't heard
Speaker 1: about Trauma yet. This is an album called Beautiful Trauma.
Speaker 4: You know when her songs, though, really do hit, like
Speaker 4: when I hear them and I'm like, damn, trauma really
Speaker 4: can be beautiful. Yes, He's like Pink came back into
Speaker 4: my life. I said, I always knew who she was
Speaker 4: because like she's often the last song at a soul
Speaker 4: psycho class. And it's like, I don't have any associations
Speaker 4: with this other than I know who's singing it because
Speaker 4: I recognize your voice.
Speaker 3: This song has never been a part of my life.
Speaker 4: Beloved by candlebuyers in the world over who've got packed stadiums,
Speaker 4: but to me, I'm here for the first time of
Speaker 4: the lyrics kind of mean everything and nothing, and I
Speaker 4: am soaring on that bike, I am like about to
Speaker 4: fly out.
Speaker 2: Of the room. You know, Dan, it's funny that you
Speaker 2: say that because my mom is a fitness instructor.
Speaker 3: Wait, really, so.
Speaker 1: That's this is the missing link. Of course, she loves Pink,
Speaker 1: so she loves or.
Speaker 2: What she does spin she owns like a boutique fitness
Speaker 2: place in Michigan, and so it's like small classes.
Speaker 1: I visited it. It's honestly great. It really made me
Speaker 1: want to like take her classes, and I'm kind of
Speaker 1: sad that I didn't have time. Yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: loved if she played Beautiful Trauma from start to finish.
Speaker 2: You know, she pink is a staple of the Spin
Speaker 2: Room playlist, I bet, and so yeah, it's that's that
Speaker 2: is the link. That is a big link. And that's
Speaker 2: also there is a fitness it's a Midwestern fitness link.
Speaker 2: Because there's also like it's impressive physically, the acrobatics. It's
Speaker 2: not like this looks cool, it's like her age. She
Speaker 2: can do this, Like that's inspiring.
Speaker 3: Yes, No, and it's not. It's by its very nature.
Speaker 4: It's not like, you know, I Lady Goga, for instance,
Speaker 4: dances her house off in the Abercadet video, but it's
Speaker 4: like cut together between shots. It's like, no, you're in
Speaker 4: the stadium and you are watching that woman fly over
Speaker 4: your head for two hours, like and she can do it.
Speaker 1: And what she does is impressive.
Speaker 2: It is impressive.
Speaker 1: And I've always sort of okay, so because I actually
Speaker 1: was a Pink fan as a child, I like didn't
Speaker 1: realize that it was uncool until much later in the game.
Speaker 1: There was a family trip where the two CDs that
Speaker 1: I had were The eminem Show and miss Undasdod and
Speaker 1: I love going back and forth between the two of them,
Speaker 1: and like when you're when you're like, okay, when you're
Speaker 1: a kid, and you sort of are like discovering like
Speaker 1: Sun Dance movies and like discovering you hear family portrait
Speaker 1: by Pink and you're like, this is deep in our
Speaker 1: family portrait. We look pretty happy, we look pretty normal.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to.
Speaker 4: That aging Todd salons like hello, literally it's literally yes,
Speaker 4: that is wiener dog.
Speaker 1: So there is a part of me that is almost upset,
Speaker 1: almost similar to how I feel about Gwen Stefani, because
Speaker 1: when Stefani also very much has a pre Ellen and
Speaker 1: post Ellen phase. Yes, obviously her pre Ellen phase is
Speaker 1: much more iconic, and I'm not comparing them, but like
Speaker 1: there is a nostalgia where I'm like, damn, if one
Speaker 1: other thing had gone differently, what if Pink, one of
Speaker 1: Pink's crazy early experiments had like gained traction and then
Speaker 1: she did like a concept album.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that could have been really interesting.
Speaker 4: I think I think I feel like we've reached the
Speaker 4: portion of the roast and as much as this is
Speaker 4: a roast, but we're like, yeah, not seriously, Pink.
Speaker 3: You're a legend.
Speaker 1: You are absolutely right. No, I know because I started
Speaker 1: feeling back because I was like, even the circus, the
Speaker 1: circus stuff, I'm like, she actually does tear it. Like
Speaker 1: when you watch that initial performance of Glitter in the
Speaker 1: Air where she first does a circus thing, it is impressive.
Speaker 3: Well, and that was crazy.
Speaker 4: My recollection is that was at the Grammys and it
Speaker 4: was kind of like, oh, Pink at the Grammy's random
Speaker 4: and that was when she kind.
Speaker 3: Of uncorked it.
Speaker 4: Yes, and it was like legitimately impressive and then she
Speaker 4: kind of just kept doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot. Can I another a funny thing
Speaker 2: that my mom did once that I have to say,
Speaker 2: And Mom, I hope you have stopped listening. But I
Speaker 2: think I was home like for the Pandemic and we
Speaker 2: were like listening to music and like she was like,
Speaker 2: so what a gig guys think about Pink? And I
Speaker 2: was like, that is such an iconic question, and it
Speaker 2: actually was like kind of sad where I had to
Speaker 2: be like, you know, honestly, like they don't quite stand
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, and I tried to like
Speaker 2: really soften it and be like, you know, some really
Speaker 2: like her, like of course.
Speaker 1: You think the candle buying gaze do.
Speaker 2: I do think there's a sort of Midwestern like gay homeowner, right.
Speaker 1: I want to know what the percentage because I actually
Speaker 1: do think lesbian. Sorry to speak about lesbians again, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get in trouble on Instagram, but I
Speaker 1: do think lesbians love pink, Like I do think there's
Speaker 1: a there's a kind of lesbian couple, you know, two
Speaker 1: dogs pit bull mixes maybe, and they are living in
Speaker 1: like not Indianapolis, what's the one Bloomington, and they are
Speaker 1: going to the Pink show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a direct correlation, regardless of gender
Speaker 2: of whether if you own a home, you're like ninety
Speaker 2: percent more likely to enjoy the music of pink.
Speaker 1: That's true. They go hand in hand because you're like,
Speaker 1: I own a home and that makes me an outcast.
Speaker 1: Like that's sort of the thought process that goes and
Speaker 1: then you're like, raise your glass if you are wrong
Speaker 1: in all the right ways.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's just like you're settled. It's like
Speaker 3: I don't have time to focus on what Lady Gaga
Speaker 3: and Katie Honor and Chapel Roon are doing.
Speaker 4: Like let me just listen to a three and a
Speaker 4: half minute pop song where right at the bridge she
Speaker 4: stops and randomly talks for fifteen seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: The one thing that I think is proof that gay
Speaker 4: guys have never seen it for her is I feel
Speaker 4: like we would see posts that refer to her by
Speaker 4: her given name, like it would be like Alica Moore,
Speaker 4: Alicia just does it again in the same way. It's like, oh, Stephanie,
Speaker 4: you shouldn't have Like it's just she says she told
Speaker 4: us who she was Pink, and we believed her because
Speaker 4: it was just like, okay, whatever, like you if you
Speaker 4: say it, I'm good with it. Like there's never been
Speaker 4: a kind of wondering of who she is behind the mystique.
Speaker 1: That's so true, and especially because when you think about it,
Speaker 1: the name pink with an exclamation point is actually so
Speaker 1: art pop on paper. To name yourself p exclamation point
Speaker 1: NK is is so like swan Like that's literally that.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of like a pop star
Speaker 3: from a movie too.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I feel like it's very like if
Speaker 4: the Wakowski has made like a movie about the future,
Speaker 4: the pop star would be named p exclamation point NK.
Speaker 1: Yes, it sort of sounds like a cryptocurrency.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you guys think, well, first of all,
Speaker 2: she needs her own coin. We need pink coin.
Speaker 1: Now if you don't think she, I'm not even looking
Speaker 1: up she has one and I'm investing.
Speaker 2: I'm putting everything in a pink poin.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? It could be it would be
Speaker 1: the most stable coin to invest in. She's the most
Speaker 1: successful artist.
Speaker 2: I have a question. Do you think it's like mentally
Speaker 2: healthier for your fan base to be not gay guys?
Speaker 3: Like yes, yes, unambiguously.
Speaker 1: It's like the best fan base is like fish yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but having gay guys as your fans does give
Speaker 2: you more like cultural cred in the long run, but
Speaker 2: at what cost?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think the best fan base is to have
Speaker 4: are a like stable homeowning adults and failing that, like
Speaker 4: young children, because there's a lot of growth potential and
Speaker 4: they imprint on you.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, Like my four year old now stands Chapel, which, like,
Speaker 4: I kind of wish she had a CD wallet that
Speaker 4: just had like pink in it, because I think like
Speaker 4: having an Sorry George like uncool moment is like very
Speaker 4: powerful and important. I agree, But she's just like play
Speaker 4: hot to Go and I'm like, okay, so like Chapa
Speaker 4: will get thirty years of your money, like.
Speaker 2: Yes, So that is interesting having a four year old.
Speaker 2: Does she respond differently to other pop stars, like is
Speaker 2: there anyone? She's like, yuck, I hate this. Let me
Speaker 2: think what happens when you put on Charlie xx.
Speaker 3: We have put on Charlie and she doesn't like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: She she more goes by song like she doesn't necessarily
Speaker 4: understand the concept that like recording artists can record multiple songs,
Speaker 4: and so she just kind of like certain Chapel songs.
Speaker 4: And she recently told us that the song what Was
Speaker 4: I Made For? Makes me feel sad inside, yeah, which
Speaker 4: I think is very understandable. But other than that, it's
Speaker 4: just kind of like Chapel roar. She's a big roar head.
Speaker 4: She responds to Katie. She does not respond to Gaga. Incidentally,
Speaker 4: that's scary, I guess I mean.
Speaker 1: Hot to Go actually similar to Raise your Glass. Literally,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like appropriating a cheerleader chant in the
Speaker 1: same way that Raise your Glass is appropriating like a
Speaker 1: school yard. So it is childlike in this way. I
Speaker 1: would say it's slightly hair quality than Raise your Glass,
Speaker 1: but it does have that childlike ellen, as does Roar.
Speaker 4: I think about this with all these songs. Do you
Speaker 4: know how at the end of Visit from the Goon Squad,
Speaker 4: have you guys read that You're too busy reading the
Speaker 4: Talent by Danda Darreon.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: Think I have finished a visit from the spoil It.
Speaker 4: It's it's like in the future, and it's like a
Speaker 4: recording artist is trying to break out, and the way
Speaker 4: you break out is like toddlers, like if they like you,
Speaker 4: they press a button and that's how they determine if
Speaker 4: recording urts been famous in the future. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're basically there, like totally, And I think Pink would
Speaker 4: pass that test with flying.
Speaker 2: Colors absolutely, yeah, damn huh. The part in the Pink
Speaker 2: song when she's like, why so SI is so funny.
Speaker 2: She's the joker.
Speaker 4: I literally I love that and I love like there's
Speaker 4: that song about like self image that goes like pretty
Speaker 4: pretty please, and each verse she sings why do I
Speaker 4: do that? And then in the final verse she stops,
Speaker 4: and she stops the song the beat drops out.
Speaker 3: Just why do I do that?
Speaker 4: And it's like when she stops the song, which she
Speaker 4: does on multiple songs, and like talks to herself and
Speaker 4: like phsykes herself up, it is kind of despite myself.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, that's kind of.
Speaker 1: Fab Yeah, totally, because guess what. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I'm being so pro pink. I'm sorry. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, she actually does have beautiful trauma,
Speaker 1: Like she isn't. Literally, she grew up in like a
Speaker 1: difficult family situation, and you should listen to family, set
Speaker 1: your ass down and takes any notes. You need to
Speaker 1: watch the video for Family Portrait and then get back
Speaker 1: to me. Because she has been through so much.
Speaker 2: I think she's quite understowed.
Speaker 1: Deeply she's understood, but I think previously she wasn't. And
Speaker 1: maybe that is I mean, that is the pre Ellen
Speaker 1: post Ellen thing. It's like post Ellen, she is understood.
Speaker 1: My only point is it's like that's what makes it
Speaker 1: almost like funnier in a way that like she actually
Speaker 1: did have the beautiful trauma that could have caused her
Speaker 1: to become a like a gog. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: Gaga didn't have beautiful trauma because she went to n Yu.
Speaker 3: But like, but that Facebook group about how she would never.
Speaker 1: Be that's right, that's it's just ironic that like Gaga
Speaker 1: went to n y u and makes art pop, Pink,
Speaker 1: you know, has beautiful trauma and makes raise your glund.
Speaker 2: I think Pink's trauma to me is like her son
Speaker 2: like motocrossed too much like her is there. She's so BMX.
Speaker 2: I see Pink, and I see.
Speaker 1: Her the father of her children is a professional being.
Speaker 2: So that's why I see that. That makes sense, got it?
Speaker 1: And he's really I don't know what he looks like now,
Speaker 1: but I remember when they got together. I thought it
Speaker 1: was so cute in like a sort of blink gwent
Speaker 1: Eity two wake again. I think it's also like for
Speaker 1: some people my exact age, maybe it was like the
Speaker 1: first time they even because music was like Spice Girls,
Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys. It was the first time anyone even had
Speaker 1: something approaching the aesthetics of alt that I saw that
Speaker 1: you would see on like mainstream MTV, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was like an el Lavine type thing.
Speaker 4: It's funny because if she were like five years later,
Speaker 4: she would have been in a class of like I
Speaker 4: don't even know, like the all American rejects and like
Speaker 4: Jimmy Eats Eat World or whatever, where it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: these are also like alt a jacent or like even
Speaker 4: Blinkwin Eity two being big, And because she just came
Speaker 4: up with Brittany, it was like I am the anti
Speaker 4: Brittany one thing. There were other items on the menu
Speaker 4: like five years later, and not that she would have
Speaker 4: been like them, but it would have been like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's a more diverse soundscape. It's like she just had
Speaker 4: to be like fuck Brittany because that was the only
Speaker 4: other option, right.
Speaker 1: She was the like self styled punk one in the
Speaker 1: pop world rather than the pop one in the punk
Speaker 1: She wasn't paramore, like she didn't do like pop punk
Speaker 1: that was like in the realm of simple plan or
Speaker 1: something like that. She very was firmly a pop star
Speaker 1: that was like a woman with backup dancers, but she
Speaker 1: was like I'm not like those other girls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, short hair.
Speaker 4: Had she been even like a few more years later,
Speaker 4: she could have been so Katie Perry performing at the
Speaker 4: Warp Tour, which is how Katie got her start, And
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I'm like a pop star, but like
Speaker 4: I don't even need to define myself against Brittany. I'm
Speaker 4: defining myself because like I'm a conventional pop star And
Speaker 4: isn't it so random that I'm here at the Warp Tour?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm yeah damn. So, Dan, is your sequel going
Speaker 2: to be about pop girls instead of actresses?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually gonna be It's gonna be said at
Speaker 3: the Grammys. Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I've like written enough about celebrities
Speaker 4: for one lifetime.
Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe you'll revisit it in like twenty
Speaker 1: years and it'll be like a big sort of like return,
Speaker 1: return to the big. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, the problem is I felt like I was really
Speaker 4: good at making up fake You can be the judge,
Speaker 4: but I felt like I could make up fake movies.
Speaker 4: I feel like, whenever I read a book with a
Speaker 4: fake pop star in it, the songs feel really fake.
Speaker 3: So I need to, like that's true, get better at writing.
Speaker 1: I think the tropes are maybe I'm just more of
Speaker 1: a film person than a music person, but the tropes
Speaker 1: are much more relatable to me in the movie world. Well,
Speaker 1: I think there's like I could never have predicted that
Speaker 1: an Olivia Rodrigo would become a big thing, that like
Speaker 1: like pop punk would suddenly be big in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was surprising, and I loved it, but it
Speaker 2: was surprising.
Speaker 1: Dan any final thoughts on Pink.
Speaker 4: I feel like through this conversation, I'm like a Pink fan.
Speaker 4: I actually, as soon as we close out of this zoom,
Speaker 4: I'm going to like put on Spotify and I'm like
Speaker 4: not kidding, Like I feel like everything said I do.
Speaker 3: I do maintain she's the straightest pop star alive.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, oh my god, yes, but that has
Speaker 4: a valuable role to play on our ecosystem now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well it's like she's almost in the same
Speaker 2: class as like Megan Trainer, but she's like of in
Speaker 2: that binary she's the cool one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and show me Megan Trainer flying through the
Speaker 3: air like.
Speaker 6: Like literally yeah, she is also like she is so
Speaker 6: Pink has always been such an ally to the LGBTQ plus,
Speaker 6: but it's also like she's performed, like she's an ally
Speaker 6: and she's performing to all allies and all of them
Speaker 6: are like waving rainbow flags, are so excited, but they
Speaker 6: have never met a real gay person.
Speaker 1: But nephew, Yes, in theory the superport of they have
Speaker 1: a gay nephew, but they're also sorry, like maybe anti vax.
Speaker 2: Well like that because of the fitness connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's like anti vax but has a gay
Speaker 1: nephew and and loves candles.
Speaker 2: And loves candles. Well, we all love candles. Okay, I
Speaker 2: think we should do First of all, I agree, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and put on Pink at the
Speaker 2: moment I can. And I actually think, Adam, for when
Speaker 2: you end this episode, please do raise your glass instead
Speaker 2: of our normal song.
Speaker 1: Do as much as we can get away with without
Speaker 1: you know, having to pay Sony, actually do enough that
Speaker 1: we get sued so that we can be in conversation
Speaker 1: with Pink.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think we should our final segment Dan,
Speaker 2: which is of course shout outs, where we pay homage
Speaker 2: to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out,
Speaker 2: where we shout out anything that we enjoy and George,
Speaker 2: I actually do have one.
Speaker 1: I do too, but you can go first.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up freaks, losers, and not to mention the perverts,
Speaker 2: I want to give a huge shout out to Siggy's Yogurt.
Speaker 2: If you know me, you know I've been a Chabani
Speaker 2: diva since day one. I you know, I say chow
Speaker 2: me the bonnie. But now I have had some Siggi's
Speaker 2: and when I had in the past, I was like,
Speaker 2: this is dry. It's powdery almost, and I can't handle it.
Speaker 2: Now I think I have a more mature palette and
Speaker 2: I'm saying, finally, a yogurt that's dry. I love that.
Speaker 2: It's like it's more good than a Chobani. Chobani feels
Speaker 2: like a yogurt for a child. And now I am
Speaker 2: on my way to being a pink loving homeowner and
Speaker 2: I need to have my dry, dry yogurt. So shout
Speaker 2: out to Siggi's. You're drying up and it makes me
Speaker 2: feel like it's better for me and I love you. Xoxo, Sam.
Speaker 1: Wait, Sam, have you tried the fruity ones? No, you
Speaker 1: gotta do blueberry, and you gotta do and berries a
Speaker 1: berry really good. And also I'm about to bliw your mind.
Speaker 1: I've done Siggi's as a shout out before.
Speaker 3: Whoa fuck?
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I'm going to keep with the theme
Speaker 1: of music and music videos and misunders, misundos, dude, women
Speaker 1: in music. What's a music lovers out there? I want
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the music video for
Speaker 1: the Tory Amos song A sort of fairy Tale. This
Speaker 1: video stars Tori Amos and Adrian Brody Oscar nominee and
Speaker 1: past winner Adrian Brody. Toy Amos plays a leg and
Speaker 1: Adrian Brady plays an arm. You're thinking, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Imagine a leg with a head on it
Speaker 1: and an arm with a head on it.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now that you have that image in your head,
Speaker 1: imagine them falling in love and that and imagine me
Speaker 1: absolutely bawling my eyes out because it is the most
Speaker 1: beautiful love story between a leg and an arm I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Shout out to Adrian Brody for randomly doing
Speaker 1: that video after winning an Oscar for the Pianist or
Speaker 1: maybe before. I'm not gonna fact check it, and shout
Speaker 1: out to Tory Amos, who has zero Grammys, whereas Taylor
Speaker 1: Shift has fifteen.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and you know, the Grammys are a damn sham.
Speaker 2: It's not real.
Speaker 1: It's not real, Dan.
Speaker 3: Whenever you're ready, all.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm gonna give a shout out to oyster crackers.
Speaker 4: Yesterday I had a bit of an upset tummy and
Speaker 4: I went ransacking my closet looking for something that could
Speaker 4: soothe me, and oyster crackers it was. They are great,
Speaker 4: crumbled up into soup or chowder if you have if
Speaker 4: you are in some sort of lobster shack on the shore,
Speaker 4: but if you are just in a Brooklyn apartment far
Speaker 4: from water and you just want something that is tasteless
Speaker 4: but in the best possible way. They are crunchy, they're weirdly,
Speaker 4: a little thick. They are sold at Trader Joe's, which
Speaker 4: is what mine were, but other establishments as well. Oyster crackers.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they're called that. They would be
Speaker 4: really bad on an oyster, but they're great. Just from
Speaker 4: the palm of your hand. Thank you, oyster crackers, I
Speaker 4: love you.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I thought about this in a while.
Speaker 1: Don't write in But also whyever they call that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't write I love I love the idea that you
Speaker 1: were looking in your closet for oyster crackers, because it's
Speaker 1: like how we find out that you keep oyster crackers
Speaker 1: in your clothing closet.
Speaker 4: I meant pantry, but no, no, it is so weirdly shaped. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I brought them out of the closet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Dan, thanks so much for doing the pod.
Speaker 2: I loved the book. I think everyone should do it.
Speaker 2: And I want to apologize to all former authors for
Speaker 2: not having finished the book before you came on.
Speaker 1: I want to say that for multiple of the former authors.
Speaker 1: I then did end up finishing the book.
Speaker 4: But you had such informed questions today because you read mine.
Speaker 4: So maybe you're turning over.
Speaker 2: I think we're turning over a new leave. I actually
Speaker 2: am kind of turning over a new leaf where it's
Speaker 2: like enough being a child.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, we're in our post Ellen era for sure.
Speaker 4: Siggy's yogurt reading books. It's all happening. Home ownership next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, home ownership.
Speaker 1: Let's go Dan one more time. What is your novel?
Speaker 1: Call your debut novel called in whorking people? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: where can people find it?
Speaker 4: It is called the Talent My name is Daniel Dedario.
Speaker 4: It is available anywhere you buy books, your local independent bookstore,
Speaker 4: the library, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere like that.
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