WEBVTT - "P!nk" w/ Daniel D'Addario 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.080 Who do who? Everybody? This is George with some show announcements. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.880 If you are in New York, Philly, or Boston, you 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:09.520 have a few more chances to see the hour of 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:11.600 stand up that I have been touring on and off 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:13.480 for the last year and a half. This will be 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.040 the last time I do this material before I tape 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.680 it in April, so I would love to see some 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.440 of you there. I'll be workshopping some of it and 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.160 reworking some other parts and standing out the rough edges. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.799 It'll be really fun. So if you are in New York, 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.640 I'll be at Union Hall on March fifth and sixth, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:31.680 and then I'll be at Joe's Pub on Monday, March 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.199 twenty fourth. And if you're in Philly, I'll be at 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.360 Philamocha March twelfth. And if you're in Boston in the 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.720 Boston area, I'll be in Summerville at the Rockwell on 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.680 March twentieth. There is an early show at seven and 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.920 a late show at nine. I have had such a 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.320 great time touring this hour over the last few months. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.559 Thank you to everyone that has already come. Like I said, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.120 will be the last time I do it, and then 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:53.880 I can't wait to write new stuff and I can't 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:58.320 wait to tour again. And that's pretty much it. You 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.520 can find tickets at link dot com, slash George Savers 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.280 and it's in my Instagram, bio and everywhere else where 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.080 you might think it will be. And that is it 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:10.399 for me. Enjoy the episode. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:33.959 Love You podcast starts now. Abracadabra and unan nah Hello and. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.679 Wait, what is what is the aora? 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.360 George? You can't ask what the real lyrics are? Sorry 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.560 you are? That is like the whole point is that 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.000 you can make it up and it's your own. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:48.400 Yeah. Well, okay, so I will say I agree with that. However, 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.440 then when I was tasked with doing that, when we 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.240 were at that party, I actually struggled to mouth anything. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.920 Well, I think okay. First of all, George and I 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.400 went to a party in Los Angeles, California's. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.960 We went to a party in Los Angeles, California. That 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.680 was it was announced ahead of time that at midnight 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.040 they would play Abercadabra, So we all knew that at 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:12.440 midnight they would be pressing play on Abercadabra. And you know, 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.720 you have to you had to sort of plan where 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.160 you wanted to be so that you could be in 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.520 an ideal place to be open to that. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.440 Yeah, I really loved the New Year's energy of that, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.960 and there was like this sort of this anxiety in 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.480 a positive way, sort of an excitement in the air 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.760 of like, what are we going to be? Like, well, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.320 I can't go to the bathroom because it's ten minutes 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:33.880 till midnight. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.800 Well you are. What you're not saying is that we 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.080 were quite literally in line to get drinks and decided 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.680 to leave the line that we were already in because 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.320 we were like, this line is too long. We can't 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.840 be sort of third in line yelling tequila soda while 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.280 they are personal plan on abercadabra. But it did make 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:56.000 me realize I'm now thinking, why not instill that kind 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.440 of New Year's energy into just whatever you want, even 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.600 if it's not at midnight, Like I know, you know, 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.919 there are people have all different kinds of schedules, even 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:04.360 if you just have a dinner party and you're like, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.680 by the way, at nine pm, we will you know, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.440 play a Tory Amos music video on YouTube that we 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.799 will project. I actually think it is such a great 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:15.639 idea and. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.760 It gives people sort of a clear like it's like 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.400 an outline of the night, Like it gives you a 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.000 framework to work within because it's so amorphous. If it's 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.120 just like avercaever will play at some point, it's like, well, yeah, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.920 I would hope so yeah. But if it's at midnight, 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.040 I'm like, okay, now my night. It has a structure 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:33.320 to it. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.920 Yeah, And I what I'm about to say, I think 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.080 will almost sound against the spirit of this podcast, but uh, okay, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.440 here's the thing. You would think, like the Gregorian calendar 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:49.680 and like time, clock based time would be something you 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.360 or I would consider straight. I think that would be 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.560 I could easily imagine, you know, an AI generated episode 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.520 where our straight topic is clocks and clock based time, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.120 and we're like, oh well yeah, straight people love to 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.720 organize time, whereas queer people love to live out why yeah, okay, yeah, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:06.680 so I get it. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.760 First of all, I want that give me the AI 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.040 version of our podcast. To be clear, I'm ready to retire, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.160 and I give away my rights. I give away my voice. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.480 Literally, I'm ready and consider this. I'm posting, Mark Zuckerberg. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.120 I give you my right, the rights to my voice 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:21.680 and likeness. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.000 Take in the in the in the tone of take 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.560 my wife, take my data. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.320 Take my data. So so, but I'm about to make 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.440 the opposite point, which is I think because of the 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:37.720 absolutely declining, if not non existent, trust in institutions, it's 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.359 like it's almost like time is all we have. Yeah, 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.680 the government doesn't work. Any official buildings you're seeing on 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.560 the streets you go in, it's literally someone doing ketamine. 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.120 Nothing is working right now, and no one has trusted 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:53.600 in any institutions, be it you know, the government, the media, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.360 what have you. So I'm almost like a re embrace 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.960 of time, of linear time is in its own way countercultural. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.000 Right now you're saying the time is the ultimate truth 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.120 and that like kind of yeah. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.800 And so I'm like, let's like, rather than have it 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.279 be this like the ethos of like, oh well the 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.599 invite is at nine, but of course you want to 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.760 be fashionably late, maybe we try out what if we 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.839 went in a more militaristic direction, What if we really 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.119 like adhere to the clock. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.960 See, I actually love that, and I think socially we 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.040 need that. I want to push there's something in our 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.800 lives where it's like we're basically like building in a 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.320 buffer for trailers for every event in our lives. Like 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.279 it's like, well, there's gonna be forty five minutes of trailers, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:40.599 so we can be thirty minutes late. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:46.000 Let's have first of all, a standing ovation for that. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.040 That is one of the most genius things I've ever heard. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:48.680 Keep going. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.159 I'm like, I'm sort of like enough, like I actually 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.400 want someone to be like the parties at eight, get 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.240 there at eight. I went to actually a party thrown 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.640 by the same bad that through this abacadabra party. It 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.320 was his his boyfriend's fortieth and he was like, arrive 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.800 promptly at eight, and I was like, now that is 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.600 a fun invite. And it worked because everyone was there 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.200 with it. By eight fifteen. Everyone was there, and I 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.640 was like, yeah, you're paying for the space, like let's 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.360 get there on time fully enjoy it. Yeah. 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.640 It's tough. It's tough because even as we're as we're 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.040 making this argument, I'm like stressed because I'm like, well, 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.760 I don't want to I don't want to be advocating 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.360 for a world in which I can be a little late. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.480 And the trailer thing is actually a perfect a perfect 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.000 metaphor because here's the thing. On the one side, you 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.279 have regal, regal cinemas. The trailers are quite literally twenty 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.280 five to thirty sence, you can actually show up an 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.479 hour after the start time of the film and you'll 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.960 get there at the credits, but then you'll have like 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.479 an actually our guest will be able to really fact 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.160 check me on this. But there are other theaters like 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.960 that that are I want to it's not the Angelica, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:56.880 but there are other theaters that quite literally start on 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.600 time with no trailers, and they play the trailers before 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.040 the start yeah, which I also don't think is accepting. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:02.480 I agree. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.839 I think the perfect middle is sort of like like 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.279 I think if you go to film for them, it's 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.920 like they'll have like a few trailers, it'll be like 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.800 seven minutes, and then the movie starts ten to fifteen minutes. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.320 How do you mandate that? Because that is basically what 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.040 it is to be fashionably late. Yes, I agree, I'm 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.120 all in, but of course sorry, oh I'm almost done. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.040 But of course, to have a common conception of fashionably late, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.320 you need to have a common language, and in a 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.240 world where no one trusts institutions, there you could never 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.280 actually have a commonly agreed upon definition of fashionably late, 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.600 which is why in order to avoid everything, just like 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.840 going to dust, you have to insist upon a specific 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.360 start time. Oh you know what I mean? 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.560 Of course this is I mean, you made a really 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.560 amazing point. And I also want to say I would 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.200 love when you are about to make a point and 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.480 you go sorry, I'm almost done. There's something about that 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.800 that's really charming, where it's like yeah, thank you you 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.240 Like it's like a you can't not make the point, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:07:59.720 Like if someone were to stop you right then, you 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.240 would like potentially have a stroke or something. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.400 It's sort of the blue balls. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.720 The blue balls of ideas. Yeah, like I sort of 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.000 have to Yeah, you're like, fuck, I have to have 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.760 an idea. Can we address an elephant in the room 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.200 before bringing our guests in? 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:17.320 Okay, what is it? 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.720 I kind of have a cold? What I have, like 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:20.720 the slightest cold. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.440 Like have you noticed how I'm raspy? 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.600 Yes? And I was actually, you're actually stealing my thunder 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.200 a bit. I was like, God, I'm gonna be so 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.320 like the sick one and like you're gonna be like 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.000 it's everyone's gonna be like wow. He sounds so different 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.680 than normal. Normally, his voice is so deeply smooth. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.320 While I almost suggested booking a studio last minute because 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:40.520 I was sort of like in the mood to not 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.000 have to deal with tech, And then I was like, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:43.960 what if I'm the one to suggests booking a studio, 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.360 I show up with our guest, I'm literally coffee. It's 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.320 it's like I'm a directly giving him, you know, coming 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.600 directly from the open air market. I do have a 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.319 guess as to what happened, which is that we both 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.160 got sick at the Abracadabra party. Just time wise, I 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.280 think that maybe makes sense that we were in a 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.200 very enclosed, non non ventilated space. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.040 That's actually such a great point. That's fully what happened. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:12.760 We need to bring in our guest. I think that's 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.120 an amazing because. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.680 I now have blue balls for bringing in our guest. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.920 Yes, I think we should bring in our guest, who 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.120 you know, we're famously bad at plugging things. But did 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.280 it in fact write a book that by the time 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.040 this episode comes out will be available for. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.120 Will be out and it is called The Talent and 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.199 it is by Dan Dodario, who is our guest. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.120 Welcome Dan, Hi, guys, thanks for having me. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.520 I want to say and listen, I'll say it. This 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.360 is a controversial thing to open up about. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.000 This is very controversial. I can already tell you this 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.400 is the first time. Oh, I can't believe you're saying it. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.199 I'm actually as guilty of this as you are. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.760 So we're very guilty. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.760 We're both guilty. This is the first time we have 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.880 had a guest on promoting a book where we have 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:58.920 both at the time of recording, finished the book. And 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.640 by the way, I don't want to at every other 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.120 point we had like red part or mostly dry, or 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.760 we always or read like multiple reviews, like I'm not 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.400 going in unprepared. But but this is the first time 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.960 each of us has read cover to cover and we 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.120 can like, we're not going to spoil anything, but we. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.160 Could if we want, absolutely if we wanted to. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.520 I'm like, the fate of my book is in your 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.640 guys's hands. You cannot tell them who wins at the end. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.000 I know, and I know I was about to I 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.800 was about to spoil. Well, well, I'll say this about 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:29.160 the book. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:30.880 How do I put this? 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.640 It's the perfect like you actually do give closure, is 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.240 what I'm saying, Because the entire time I was afraid 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:39.559 as I was reading it, which, by the way, I 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.000 enjoyed it immensely. As I was reading it, I was like, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.640 if he fucks this up, I'm gonna be so fucking pissed. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.240 I have to agree. There was like one moment, like 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.600 you know, three fourths through and I was like, oh no, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.000 what if it's not satisfying, Like I was like, I'm i'm, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.200 I'm I care now, and what if I don't get 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:59.880 what if I don't get to blow my load? 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.400 And by the way, it's sorry, Dan, I know we 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.240 keep it by interrupting you. But it's like, if you 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.160 had ended it in a way more open ended way, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.360 I would have had to pretend that was actually like 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.320 so cool, because I would have had to like want 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.280 I would have wanted to seem sophisticated, and I would 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.360 have been like, you know, thank God, like you you didn't, like, 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.280 you know, go so cliche and have a real ending. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.320 And I was planning it, yes and never apologize for 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.200 interrupting me with such wonderful praise. 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:28.959 Wow, Damn. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.400 When I was writing it, I have this like devil 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.839 on my shoulder being like, go Emma, climb the guest mode, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.839 Go Emma climb the guest mode because spoiling a three 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.600 year old book that I love. But at the end 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.679 of that book, do you think there's going to be 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.760 a resolution? And it's just kind of like, well, and 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.440 then something happened. I don't want to say what at 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:47.800 the end. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:52.520 And yeah, I thought part of me did think maybe 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.520 it would be so about the journey, not the. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:59.719 Destination, to paraphrase and reverse the brutalist, to have it 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:00.600 be like. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.760 It doesn't even matter who wins, who cares. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.560 We're kind of putting the car before the horse because 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.800 it's about a fake awards race. And I think what 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.839 you're saying is you feel very satisfied by finding out 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.720 who wins at the end, which I'm happy about. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.720 Yes, and someone does win, so it is And do 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.640 you want to sorry to be so conventional and so 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.400 Barbara Walters, but would you like to just explain what 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:24.200 the book is about. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.480 Sure, it's about five women who are nominated for an 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.200 award during award season and the rivalries and friendships that 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.040 develop between them as they kind of. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:33.640 Battle it out. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:34.720 Correct. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.800 Good, Thanks, So I read it. I studied it really hard. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.680 Dan read it to actually to cover room what I 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.360 want to say, actually is I think because the kind 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.160 of cliche of the Oscars are an award season is 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.720 like quote unquote, it's an honor just to be nominated. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.840 I actually do think you're subverting that by having a 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.880 clear winner. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's actually 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.160 like more subversive to have. I think it would have 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.600 been a cop out to be like it doesn't matter 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.079 who wins, because it's like, well, that's what they want 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.320 you to think, but it actually does. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.600 Right, It actually does a lot, and those who win 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.280 are really happy and those who lose are really sad. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.560 Yeah. I also want to say, since you mentioned the 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.080 guest when people don't give you an ending, I'm like, like, 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.600 you know, my ass got on to Google the moment 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.839 I finished that book and said the guest ending explained like, 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.720 I'm like, what the hell was that? 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.040 And you probably found like the worst articles in the 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.080 world because everyone thinks that she died and became a ghost. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.400 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, it's not 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.000 the ghost. Yeah, it's the guest. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.840 Yes, exactly, you're misreading the title. You've got three of 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.560 the right letters, but two are wrong talking about. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:38.280 The street shooters. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.560 I actually I want to say I love the ending 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.600 of The Guests well, and then I found out. I 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.680 found out that I'm in the minority and all these 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:46.839 people don't like it. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.760 I love it for the guest it would have been 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.920 wrong for my book. But I actually adore it, and 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.840 I think people who don't like it, sorry Sam. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:55.080 Are wrong. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:56.200 I agree. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.120 Wow, unbelievable. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.000 You know, sometimes I can be a little stupid when 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.480 it comes to plot plot I'll say a plot based 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.800 film even And I didn't understand part of the ending 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.880 of Inside Man, which I rewatched for the second time 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.520 and still didn't understand it recently, and I was trying 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.440 to find an article that explained it, and literally no 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.800 one could fully give me what I wanted. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:17.599 I find that so surprising. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.520 I agree. I mean, I get that he was inside 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:21.600 I'm not an idiot, but. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.280 Like there was called Inside Man. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.560 There was one scene with Jodie Foster that I was like, 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.640 unclear what deal was being made with her and with 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.240 the politician she was working with, who I think was 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.640 a mayor, and I was like, can someone just explain 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.880 this to me? And no one could. Sorry, Collider dot Com, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:38.440 I think. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.120 Got an infinite timeline. You will get that article because 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.080 like every movie that's on streaming now. I was on 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.800 the People magazine website the other day just my my 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.960 daily spin, and one of the most recent articles was 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.080 what happens at the end of Shutter Island Explained, and 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:52.520 I was like. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:54.160 All right, well, okay, I got that. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.120 I I think it must just on Netflix or something. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.440 But yeah, no, it's like, okay, it's like someone in 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.400 the Seo farm will write that article for you. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:02.000 Eventually. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.400 Yeah, enough AI takes over, You'll get that article. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:07.520 A I take so bad. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.520 Yeah, it's funny to have read the book because part 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.640 of me is like, I'm like, okay, quiz me, quiz. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:17.480 You about what happens. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.680 We want to test me, we want credit test reading 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:19.920 the book. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:20.840 Yeah, I read. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.760 Instead of using it to actually have a productive conversation 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.400 with you. We're just like proud of ourselves reading. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:31.520 I'm proud of you. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.400 Both too, especially because I know you guys are major readers. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.600 So it's not like, oh, you went out of your 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.200 way to read it. It's more like you took time 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.640 away from like the Joan Didions of the world exactly. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.160 We're just exactly and talk about women that are telling 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.320 themselves stories in order to live. By the way, oh 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:48.960 story stopped, they would decease. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.920 I did find it fun to know you personally and 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.040 read your book as like as a peek in. I 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.280 love when you're like sort of you be like a bitch, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:02.840 Like I love to see you be a bitch through 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.680 like through this world, like thank you. Like there was 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.000 one character that, like the SNL sort of scenes, I 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:14.040 found really funny as a peek into your perspective funny. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.600 I was curious what you guys would make of that 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.000 scene in particular, basically not to do the whole synopsis, 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.120 but one of the women goes on an SNL style 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.760 show and gets led astray and it goes really. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.480 Wrong, and yeah, I don't know. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.120 It was all about kind of taking a situation that 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.840 could happen and heightening it. I don't really think that 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.120 would happen in that way, but it was kind of 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.000 funny to toy with. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.040 I mean, I could definitely see someone you know who 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.600 wants to like be in on the joke and who's 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.920 just like is saying yes to everything and is excited 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.280 about like being on SNL suddenly doing something that is 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.000 perceived as super offensive to someone else. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.080 It kind of came to mind because when Jennifer Lawrence 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:59.920 was nominated for an Oscar, which is like ancient history, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.080 her monologue was like, I'm going to roast my other nominees, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.960 and she was like, Jessica Chastain, you suck, just kidding, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.840 I think you're really nice, And I was like, okay, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.159 but what if she didn't have the publicist there saying 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.000 like no, now be nice. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.879 Yeah, yeah, which used to happen, or like, I don't know, 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.159 I feel like people Julia Robbers would just sort of 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.040 like give a comment that was bitchy in the nineties. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.320 Oh yeah, or her T shirt that she made scare off. Wait, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.679 were there any other bitchy moments that you liked or 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:29.480 was that the main one? 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.159 Well, that one in particular. I also loved the toxic 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.120 gay cast member, but like was the one that led 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.679 her astray? Yeah, I mean she's iconic and stuff. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.720 I think like a lot of the book is about 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.640 how gay men relate to women, which I hope you're 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.119 not just there, but throughout, like I tried to have 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.160 each of the women have a moment with a toxic 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.280 gay man. Not to get too into it, but like 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.679 early on when one of them meets the flight attendant. Like, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.240 there's just a lot of moments where I was like, Okay, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.640 how can we make about a gig guy even though 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:02.480 it's about five women. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.159 No, I love that. I did love seeing the peaks 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.320 of gig guy come through, like and I love like, yeah, 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.880 that's the Jenny character. Like everyone stands her because she's 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.480