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Speaker 1: Who do who? Everybody? This is George with some show announcements.

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Speaker 1: If you are in New York, Philly, or Boston, you

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Speaker 1: have a few more chances to see the hour of

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Speaker 1: stand up that I have been touring on and off

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Speaker 1: for the last year and a half. This will be

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Speaker 1: the last time I do this material before I tape

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Speaker 1: it in April, so I would love to see some

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Speaker 1: of you there. I'll be workshopping some of it and

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Speaker 1: reworking some other parts and standing out the rough edges.

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Speaker 1: It'll be really fun. So if you are in New York,

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Speaker 1: I'll be at Union Hall on March fifth and sixth,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll be at Joe's Pub on Monday, March

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth. And if you're in Philly, I'll be at

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Speaker 1: Philamocha March twelfth. And if you're in Boston in the

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Speaker 1: Boston area, I'll be in Summerville at the Rockwell on

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Speaker 1: March twentieth. There is an early show at seven and

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Speaker 1: a late show at nine. I have had such a

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Speaker 1: great time touring this hour over the last few months.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone that has already come. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: will be the last time I do it, and then

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to write new stuff and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to tour again. And that's pretty much it. You

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Speaker 1: can find tickets at link dot com, slash George Savers

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Speaker 1: and it's in my Instagram, bio and everywhere else where

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Speaker 1: you might think it will be. And that is it

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Speaker 1: for me. Enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 2: Love You podcast starts now. Abracadabra and unan nah Hello and.

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Speaker 1: Wait, what is what is the aora?

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Speaker 2: George? You can't ask what the real lyrics are? Sorry

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Speaker 2: you are? That is like the whole point is that

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Speaker 2: you can make it up and it's your own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay, so I will say I agree with that. However,

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Speaker 1: then when I was tasked with doing that, when we

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Speaker 1: were at that party, I actually struggled to mouth anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think okay. First of all, George and I

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Speaker 2: went to a party in Los Angeles, California's.

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Speaker 1: We went to a party in Los Angeles, California. That

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Speaker 1: was it was announced ahead of time that at midnight

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Speaker 1: they would play Abercadabra, So we all knew that at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really loved the New Year's energy of that,

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Speaker 1: Well you are. What you're not saying is that we

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Speaker 1: they are personal plan on abercadabra. But it did make

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Speaker 1: me realize I'm now thinking, why not instill that kind

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. You would think, like the Gregorian calendar

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Speaker 2: version of our podcast. To be clear, I'm ready to retire,

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Speaker 2: and I give away my rights. I give away my voice.

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Speaker 1: Literally, I'm ready and consider this. I'm posting, Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 2: Take in the in the in the tone of take

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Speaker 1: Take my data. So so, but I'm about to make

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Speaker 2: See, I actually love that, and I think socially we

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Speaker 1: Let's have first of all, a standing ovation for that.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the most genius things I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sort of like enough, like I actually

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Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough because even as we're as we're

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Speaker 2: I kind of have a cold? What I have, like

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Speaker 1: Like have you noticed how I'm raspy?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And I was actually, you're actually stealing my thunder

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Speaker 1: While I almost suggested booking a studio last minute because

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Speaker 1: I show up with our guest, I'm literally coffee. It's

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Speaker 2: That's actually such a great point. That's fully what happened.

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Speaker 2: We need to bring in our guest. I think that's

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Speaker 1: I now have blue balls for bringing in our guest.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think we should bring in our guest, who

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Speaker 2: you know, we're famously bad at plugging things. But did

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Speaker 2: it in fact write a book that by the time

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Speaker 1: Will be out and it is called The Talent and

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Speaker 1: it is by Dan Dodario, who is our guest.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Dan, Hi, guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I want to say and listen, I'll say it. This

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Speaker 1: is a controversial thing to open up about.

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Speaker 2: This is very controversial. I can already tell you this

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Speaker 2: is the first time. Oh, I can't believe you're saying it.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually as guilty of this as you are.

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Speaker 2: So we're very guilty.

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Speaker 1: We're both guilty. This is the first time we have

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Speaker 1: both at the time of recording, finished the book. And

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, you're misreading the title. You've got three of

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Speaker 4: Got an infinite timeline. You will get that article because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny to have read the book because part

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Speaker 1: We want to test me, we want credit test reading

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I read.

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Speaker 2: I did find it fun to know you personally and

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Speaker 4: pop logo cap. But she was otherwise just kind of

440
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Speaker 4: in like outdoor voices with New York or toat and

441
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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you are one interesting chica. Like

442
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Speaker 4: I want to follow you, like, like how did this

443
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Speaker 4: enter your wardrobe?

444
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it was just like she worked in

445
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 1: digital media during that time and was sent art pop merch.

446
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: That's kind of while. And also in New Yorker Toad

447
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 1: and she's just she has no idea. She was just like, oh,

448
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Speaker 1: isn't it fun? I love Alejandro.

449
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Speaker 4: I want to circle back on something you said in

450
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Speaker 4: the intro when I was banned from speaking, which is

451
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Speaker 4: the perfect amount of trailers. Oh yes, the IFC Center

452
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Speaker 4: where it's like seven minutes in and out. And the

453
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Speaker 4: other perfect thing about that theater is they are not

454
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Speaker 4: assigned seats and you can just kind of have the

455
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Speaker 4: serendipity of I have seven minutes to find somewhere good

456
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Speaker 4: to sit. It's not so regimented, it's not so militaristic.

457
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I like that, like the trailers.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think if C Center is

459
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Speaker 1: a great first of all, perfect location. You literally just

460
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Speaker 1: like to leave the subway and you enter the building.

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Speaker 3: Correct, love it.

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Speaker 1: However, you do get the sense that it could be

463
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Speaker 1: a mouse at any point under a seat, and I

464
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Speaker 1: and I really don't I say that with love for

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Speaker 1: all independent cinema and for all independent movie theaters. And

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Speaker 1: I go there often. In fact, I just a Milia

467
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Speaker 1: Perez there for the second time. Wow, I don't Yeah,

468
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: it's the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Got to support her politics.

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Speaker 1: Yes exactly, but don't you But and and there is

471
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Speaker 1: something charmingly what's the word, I don't know, like old

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Speaker 1: New York, like like the smallest the smaller rooms at

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Speaker 1: IFC are basically just like a TV, like a sort

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Speaker 1: of living flatly larger wide screen TV.

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Speaker 3: Is that where you saw Amelia Perez or was it

476
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Speaker 3: a sellout crowd? Yeah, you know, hanging out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, you know, you would think it

478
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Speaker 1: was actually post controversy, post controversy. I was like, so,

479
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Speaker 1: who now is going to Amelia Perez at IFC center.

480
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Speaker 1: Turns out it was me and maybe four other people

481
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Speaker 1: and seeing it.

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Speaker 4: A second time, not to hold your feet to the fire,

483
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Speaker 4: But was it just about picking up the nuances?

484
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Speaker 3: Did you like fall asleep the first time?

485
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Speaker 1: No, that's a great question, so I the honest answer

486
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Speaker 1: is that it was the only thing playing at the time,

487
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Speaker 1: and we like had just had a big meal and

488
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Speaker 1: wanted to just like lay down and watch something, and

489
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Speaker 1: that was what was playing. But there was a part

490
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Speaker 1: of me that thought it would be just like a

491
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Speaker 1: funny bit that I'm someone who has seen Amelia Press

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Speaker 1: twice and I paid to see it in theaters.

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Speaker 4: I've also seen it twice. I didn't pay for it. Well,

494
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Speaker 4: you're a professional work though, it was like obligation. I

495
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Speaker 4: don't hate it. I think it's like fine, I think

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Speaker 4: Selena is fun in it.

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Speaker 1: I must disagree on that.

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Speaker 3: You don't think she's fun in it.

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Speaker 2: I think she's notable. I see that now that is notable.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I think there's just like an a reactionary part. Not

502
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Speaker 1: reactionary politically, but like there was a part of me

503
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Speaker 1: that wants to be contrarian in some way, and maybe

504
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Speaker 1: that filtered into my view of it the second time.

505
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Speaker 1: But the second time I big takeaway it was like,

506
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Speaker 1: Carlosa Fiagescon is a great actress regardless of her political views.

507
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Speaker 1: I was like, actually more impressed with her than with

508
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Speaker 1: Zoe the second time around.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, it's like this is it's really rare to get

510
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Speaker 4: a new example of separating the art from the artist.

511
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: Now that most of the directors we say that about

512
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Speaker 4: have like stopped working, and so it's like, wow, how

513
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Speaker 4: refreshing to have this debate once again.

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Speaker 2: It's really refreshing.

515
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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have okay, wait about the book. I feel

517
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Speaker 2: like I have like two more things I want to

518
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Speaker 2: ask please. So, like it's so based in reality, Like

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Speaker 2: how did you balance like pulling from real people versus

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Speaker 2: like invention.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jenna bush Hager over here, I'm sorry.

522
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Speaker 2: I'm just like there was like some stuff. I was like, wait, not,

523
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Speaker 2: I'm getting my damn credit.

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Speaker 1: Mom.

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Speaker 4: It's a great question. I was not prepared for that question. No,

526
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Speaker 4: I was so all the situations are real. Every circumstance

527
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Speaker 4: like has like a real world analog, like the comedy

528
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Speaker 4: show you mentioned, like the film festivals. All that stuff happened,

529
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Speaker 4: and I think eagle eyed readers can say, this person

530
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Speaker 4: looks a little bit like this real world person. That

531
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Speaker 4: person looks a little bit like that real world person.

532
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Speaker 4: But I would try to pretty rigorous with myself and

533
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Speaker 4: be like, I don't know what actually goes on in

534
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: the minds or personal lives of these celebrities, and so

535
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 4: all the like personal life stuff that's happening with them

536
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 4: is like totally made up. Like there's a character in

537
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Speaker 4: the novel who is an alcoholic where elements of her

538
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Speaker 4: career are drawn from a couple of people I've encountered

539
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Speaker 4: in my professional life. But then all the personal life stuff,

540
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Speaker 4: I was just like, okay, like she's being Tennessee Williams Heroin.

541
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Speaker 3: Like it doesn't need to have any real world backing.

542
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Speaker 3: It's just made up. So it was kind of fun

543
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Speaker 3: to like take it and run with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in that way.

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Speaker 1: I have a question. One of the women is star

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Speaker 1: in the book is starring in n a Maria Callis biopic.

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Speaker 1: Did you think of that before Maria was announced?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, the book was done when Maria, but the

550
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Speaker 4: book was the first draft was done when Maria was announced,

551
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Speaker 4: and I finished the second draft before Maria came out.

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Speaker 1: Got it.

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Speaker 4: I almost changed it because I saw this documentary about

554
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Speaker 4: Maria Callis at the New Ork Film Festival like eight years.

555
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Speaker 3: Ago and was like file this away.

556
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Speaker 4: That was like one woman who lived a very interesting life,

557
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 4: Like you could do something with that. And then crazily

558
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Speaker 4: I was like, this movie has stolen my thunder, I

559
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 4: must change it. I was going to make her a

560
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 4: different opera singer, and then I was like, no, it

561
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: could be funny if this movie goes somewhere. I was

562
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: rooting for Angelina throughout this season because I like, I

563
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Speaker 4: like the movie Maria.

564
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Speaker 3: Actually I thought it was good. But also I was

565
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Speaker 3: like viral promo, viral promo, like come on, come on,

566
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Speaker 3: let's make it happen.

567
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Speaker 4: And it didn't get across the finish line. But my

568
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 4: thoughts were with her the whole way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there is something meta textual, like there is

570
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Speaker 1: something not to spoil anything, but like the film Maria,

571
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Speaker 1: the way it sort of didn't reach the heights that

572
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Speaker 1: it was meant to reach, echoes certain parts of the book.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think it's.

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Speaker 4: Just funny because just thinking about the Oscars. I don't

575
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Speaker 4: know if this is coming out before after the Oscars,

576
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Speaker 4: but like before before okay, fab but like something like

577
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: Angelina Jolie plays Maria Callis, it's like done, pre sold,

578
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: like give her the Oscar now, and then people, not me,

579
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 4: I liked it, but people watch it and are like, oh, okay,

580
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: so it's actually less than the sum of its parts,

581
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: and it's funny the way that can happen, and yeah,

582
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Speaker 4: I think that. In the book, I tried to show

583
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Speaker 4: how even though all the pieces might be there, you

584
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Speaker 4: can't control the way you're perceived.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, which is almost like actually a kind

586
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Speaker 1: of in a weird way, an optimistic stance, because actually

587
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: what it shows you is that like the art still matters,

588
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: Like it's not just about fitting pieces together and making

589
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Speaker 1: a movie that on paper could win an Oscar, right right,

590
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Speaker 1: if it doesn't transcend in this way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in our world, Maria on paper should win an Oscar.

592
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: And like a sex comedy about like a sex worker

593
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 4: in ouder Borough, New York, like should not.

594
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Speaker 1: And or a body horror yeah, like where you see

595
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Speaker 1: some one like stitch their own back together.

596
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, but enough about it. I'm still here, damn.

597
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, George, as a you know, as a performer, I

598
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: did feel I don't know if you felt this way,

599
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: but sometimes I was like, damn called out a bit

600
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: where it's like the like narcissism of being like like

601
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: when you're giving and when you're not, like like to

602
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: a stranger, like being like well they were like I'll

603
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: give them my the razzle dazzle right now, or like yeah,

604
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: us at the Bellhouse literally like I am like, you know,

605
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: there's times where I'm like I can I am like

606
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: very consciously thinking about like if I'm turning it on

607
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: or off, and I was like, that is I've never

608
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: read it before, but I was like, well it is.

609
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: It is interesting, Like without sending to Navel Gayzy, like,

610
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: at this stage in the media ecosystem, basically everyone is

611
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: like one percent of celebrity, Like, yeah, if you're online,

612
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: you like at some point we'll have the experience of

613
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: like someone coming up to you and saying they know

614
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: if you are or something. So it's like you get

615
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: a very very slight taste of what an actual famous

616
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: person would feel like, and it already makes you feel insane. Yeah,

617
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: And it has actually given me so much empathy for

618
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: real celebrities because I'm like, yeah, I would be like

619
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: fully in an in an American horror story asylum if

620
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: I had to promote my Maria Callis biopic.

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Speaker 4: It seems so kind of unlivable. Like there's this one time.

622
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 4: There are a multiple times. Actually, most recently, I was

623
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 4: interviewing Sebastian's Stan not to drop a name in New

624
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: York and a coffee shop or something, and like people

625
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: kept like walking by and like literally pointing at him

626
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: like he was like a zoo animal. And it wasn't

627
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't on the level of like the

628
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: paparazzi pursued Brittany to rapaciously in two thousand and seven.

629
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: But it was like, Okay, if I'm him, this is

630
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: really distracting. I'm not even the person they're pointing at,

631
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: and it's super fucking distracting. And it's like the ability

632
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 4: to just kind of keep your focus and then like

633
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: an other moments, you're like turn on the chart and

634
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: be like, hey, how are you as not an ability

635
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: that I really possess.

636
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: So I wanted to kind of write my way into it.

637
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. It was also the yeah, the whole

638
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: like wanting it to be like being like once I

639
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: have this, I'll feel better, very relatable as well.

640
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it did make me think are they

641
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: ever I'm like, is the Marile one no offense?

642
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: You said it? Not me?

643
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: Like, is she happy? It's like no, I'm just sort

644
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: of like can any of them ever win? And also

645
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: what is the equivalent? Sometimes I'm like, not that I

646
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: would ever want you to write the equivalent for the

647
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: male acting category. But I am a little bit like

648
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: it would be so boring, but it would. There's almost

649
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: like a satire version of it that could be written

650
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: that's just like, yeah, while the women are literally like

651
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: undergoing ego death every day, the men are just like.

652
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: Right, that's like there is one actor in the book

653
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: and he literally is just kind of.

654
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: Like like to it all.

655
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: And so I feel like the version about best actor

656
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: would be a pamphlet because also like whenever I interview

657
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Speaker 4: an actress, I feel like, and this is just me,

658
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Speaker 4: my own filter is a gig guy, but it is

659
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Speaker 4: like I feel like I go on this like intense

660
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Speaker 4: emotional journey and whenever I interview an actor, they're like, yeah,

661
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Speaker 4: I worked really hard on it.

662
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Speaker 3: I hope people like it. It's out in a couple

663
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Speaker 3: of weeks, I think, and it's like okay, but give me,

664
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Speaker 3: give me something like come on.

665
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Speaker 4: And so yeah, the version about men I fear would

666
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Speaker 4: be a pamphlet.

667
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Speaker 2: Since you, you know, for your job famously interviews the

668
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Speaker 2: libs left and right, has anyone like extra extra extra

669
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Speaker 2: charmed you or you were like holy shit, Like dealing

670
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Speaker 2: with this person in person is like Jarring.

671
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Speaker 1: Yeah, other than Sidney Sweeney.

672
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Speaker 2: I can't say Sidney Sweeney.

673
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Speaker 4: It's actually not who I was gonna say, but it's

674
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Speaker 4: gonna be perhaps predictable all the same because it's like

675
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Speaker 4: a similar category of performer, which is and I think

676
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Speaker 4: I've said this before, but which is on a Dharmas

677
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: where I was just like.

678
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Speaker 2: Really, you're the star, yeah, like you.

679
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: Are a major, major star. I'm trying to think about

680
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: more recent though, like this year. Funny enough, this is

681
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Speaker 4: this is not someone I interviewed directly, but I was

682
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Speaker 4: working on Actors on Actors this year and I came

683
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: away from it. I need to couch this carefully. I

684
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: came away from it thinking, wow, that Ryan Reynolds is.

685
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Speaker 3: A real pro.

686
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: Uh, and I I was pleasantly surprised. I don't know

687
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: that I was starstruck exactly. I think, like, if I

688
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: can't say Sydney Sweeney, my answers on Adharmas for like

689
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 4: who I was like, holy shit. But in both the

690
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Speaker 4: cases of Sweeney and Dharmas, they were people I like

691
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: hadn't spent a ton of time thinking about really, and

692
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: it was an assignment, and so that's kind of the

693
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Speaker 4: nice thing it's like if it's like someone like Nicole

694
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: Kidman was at Actors on Actors this year and I

695
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: was like, I predict I'm going to be completely blown

696
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: away and I was like, no surprise there.

697
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting about Ryan Reynolds.

698
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Speaker 1: Have we said sorry? Dan is a writer at Variety

699
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: when he's not writing novels, and that is why he

700
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: has interviewed a lot of celebrities and also works on

701
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Actors on Actors, which is smartastically the Variety of video

702
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: feature where actors talk to other actors.

703
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so some backstory. Dan is actually a stalker, So

704
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: that's sort of.

705
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: How sort of like seeks out celebrities extra curric So he's.

706
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: Pretty much one of the weirdest guys we know.

707
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: Was so charming when I knocked on her window that night,

708
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: she lit up the room as I threw rocks through it.

709
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

710
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Speaker 1: Can I get your take on something, because it's something

711
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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about. I've been seeing it more and

712
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: more with the Oscar season heating up, and you just

713
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Speaker 1: did it in fact, which is I've noticed gay guys

714
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Speaker 1: will refer to actresses with their last name and it'll

715
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Speaker 1: be you know the thing with Kidman the thing with

716
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: more you know, And I want to sort of like

717
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Speaker 1: theorize why that is, because I'm almost like, is it

718
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: a way to make something like the Oscar Race seem

719
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Speaker 1: somehow more serious? Or is it a way to like

720
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: almost like adopt the attitude people would have towards professional

721
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: sports where they would say like the last name of

722
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: a player to make it sound more like it has

723
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: more gravity.

724
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Speaker 2: Mike, guess is it's familiarity without doing first names, like

725
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: you want to be like, oh, of course we all

726
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: know what we're talking about, like we're super familiar.

727
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it's that.

728
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 4: I feel like, like, you know, how on Survivor when

729
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: people say like, oh, Jeff Probes will have his favorite

730
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Speaker 4: contestants and when they win the challenge to be like

731
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Speaker 4: good job Smith.

732
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure as opposed to like, good job John.

733
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Speaker 4: But I also think part of it too is like

734
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Speaker 4: thinking about like Maria Callis with like gay guys of

735
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Speaker 4: a past generation and be like lack calls like it's

736
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Speaker 4: like it's a little bit me being like luck hitman,

737
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Speaker 4: LUs me me like that, like she needs no introduction,

738
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: she's less Sweeney totally.

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you stand Sydney Sweeney.

740
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I didn't know this. I feel like

741
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: this was.

742
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: Like a known element of our shared friendship is that

743
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: I've interviewed her a couple of times, and part of

744
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: why I stand her is that she is truly self

745
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: aware in this way where the first time I interviewed her,

746
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: I was one of true journalists interviewing her together as

747
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: a team, and at the end, she was like, all right, guys,

748
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: this has been really fun. Now, remember I'm aware of

749
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: the parts that were said that are going to be

750
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: used for headlines, and so try to minimize those and

751
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 4: talk more about the work if you can, but if

752
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: you can't, I get it. And I was just like,

753
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: holy shit, Like I think of myself as like very

754
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: in on the game, and I feel like I just

755
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: got gamed in this way, in this way that I

756
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: really admire and thought was so smart. And I've interviewed

757
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: her again and it was it was a really great experience.

758
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Speaker 4: I also think she's I think she's a great actress.

759
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: No, I stand I stand quite hard. Actually I agree,

760
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Speaker 2: So that's good to know.

761
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Wait, let's start for a secondent because I want to

762
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Speaker 1: get into the topic. Oh yeah, I agree, Okay, Okay,

763
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Speaker 1: you you ahead, Oh, okay, Dan.

764
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: Our first one is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,

765
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire

766
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: questions to gauge your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture.

767
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: It's basically this thing or this other thing, and the

768
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: only rule is you can't ask a single follow up

769
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: question or will scream scream scream George, you want to

770
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: kick us off?

771
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: Yes, turning a look at can or reading a book

772
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: by Dan, reading a book by Dan.

773
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: Losing your religion, or cooing like a pigeon.

774
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: Cooing like a pigeon, Miramax or musen Xinx.

775
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: Lock and load, or frog and Toad, Frog and toad.

776
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: The French New Wave or Judy Dench should have been

777
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Speaker 1: in conclave the.

778
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: French New Wave getting mixed signals or eating six pringles.

779
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: Getting mixed signals.

780
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: Amy Adams, Jamie Dornan, maymy Gummer or fame is a

781
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Speaker 1: prison Mami Gummer.

782
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: Really good work, Okay, blurg irma gird or awkward blur.

783
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: Not believe me?

784
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: That was we actually kind of brought it that one. Yeah,

785
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: that was kind of crazy.

786
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: I tried to make mine all quasi Oscar's theme. No,

787
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: that was across.

788
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: That did come across beautifully.

789
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it is iconic that you chose Mami

790
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Gummer over both Amy Adams and you know, sort of

791
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: by extension Lady Gaga, who of course said fameus a prison.

792
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: I would say, obviously you knew exactly what was going on. Yeah,

793
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: there was no hesitation. It's clear that you're familiar with

794
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: the game.

795
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: I am.

796
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm almost like, is choosing Mami Gummer so pick me.

797
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: It's like so unexpected that it's almost a slap in

798
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: the face. Sam, what do you think?

799
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: I think? You know, there was something about that whole

800
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: performance where I was really like like he's stepping up

801
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: to the plate, Like there was something so like like

802
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 2: he's being.

803
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: Very Adrea Benedictine this moment.

804
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it was very like you think, I'm like gonna

805
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: play this game like I'm I've been I know this

806
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: game better than you know this game, like enough enough games.

807
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: So that felt like it was almost like that an

808
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: understudy has to go out and then like does way

809
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: better than the.

810
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Star Totally okay, so what do we think, like I'm

811
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Speaker 1: going to go nine twenty two?

812
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Speaker 3: Yes, Wow, yeah, thanks guys, pretty.

813
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: Big, pretty good.

814
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: One of the best scores we've had in a while.

815
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: That's what. Wow.

816
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: Okay, So I without further ado, I do want to

817
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: get into the topic because I'm actually very excited to

818
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: talk about this ones and so Dan, please tell us

819
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: what your straight topic is and maybe a little bit

820
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: about what's straight about it.

821
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely so my topic is Pink, not the color, but

822
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: the recording artist. This came to mind because I was

823
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 4: recently listening.

824
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: To the Mula Roofe soundtrack, just refreshing my memory, of course,

825
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: and I was thinking of Marmalade. Yeah exactly, Oh yeah,

826
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: lady Marmelote and how.

827
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: On it Like the entire song is structured as a

828
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 4: build toward Wait till you see what Christina does in

829
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: the final act. Like it's basically black Swan, Like it's

830
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: like everything is in anticipation of this massive final act

831
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: and indeed she like sings completely incoherently and amazingly, and

832
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 4: she doesn't even know where she is as she's singing.

833
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 4: In the process of getting there. There are a few others,

834
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 4: and Pink is the one out of the entire song

835
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Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, the assignment is sing a sexy

836
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 4: song about the mooamerge I got it, and I was

837
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: thinking about how everything in her career feels just like, Okay,

838
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 4: if this is what you people want, I'll do it.

839
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 4: There's like never been a wink to her. No, there's

840
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 4: never been a wink to pink. There's never been irreverent

841
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 4: feeling or a feeling of kind of testing things out,

842
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: which is especially pronounced given that her whole deal for

843
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: the past like twenty years has been like, I'm the

844
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: pop star who's an acrobat, and that.

845
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: Should be circus. It should be it should be so late,

846
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 3: it should be kind of sexy and intriguing but also

847
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: funny and absurd, literally flipping things on its head. And

848
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: yet the feeling I get when.

849
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: I see one of those videos of her doing like

850
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: the zip line across the stadium is just like, Okay,

851
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: what I'm going to do is it feels like like

852
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: if you were taking a trapeze course and the instructor.

853
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: It's like when Carrie takes a trappeze course in Sect

854
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Speaker 4: and City, and the instructor is.

855
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: Just like, all right, you do need these harnesses to

856
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: be safe.

857
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: And it's like there's never any kind of she's like

858
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: the anti Gaga in this way where like totally she's

859
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: never had a super high high because she's never really

860
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: had a super low low. It's just kind of always

861
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: like I have a playbook and I'm executing it, and

862
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: it's like, but I want to see blood and guts

863
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: and I want to see you follow off the trapeeze

864
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 4: one time?

865
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Speaker 3: What would happen? Right?

866
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Where's the vulnerability?

867
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Speaker 2: Where's the vulnerability?

868
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Speaker 1: She does, Sam, What is your what are your I have?

869
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: I have so much to say? What are your associations

870
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Speaker 1: of think?

871
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: Well?

872
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Speaker 2: The biggest one, of course, is that my mom is

873
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: pink biggest fan exactly. My mom is like so addiutioned

874
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: to Pink in a way that is like where I

875
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Speaker 2: actually feel almost that I have to tread lightly so

876
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Speaker 2: it's not to hurt her feelings. I don't know. She

877
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: usually she doesn't listen, maybe this listening, but but this

878
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: one she might listen. So I honestly want to say, Mom,

879
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: I think you might have stopped listening if you're listening

880
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: right now, because this conversation is we have to be honest,

881
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: and we can't be honest if we're worried about your

882
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: feelings about Pink, and I respect how much you love Pink,

883
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: but I have to be honest with my podcast right now. Okay, George,

884
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: tell us your thoughts. Okay.

885
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: So my grand theory of Pink is that there's pre

886
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Ellen Pink and post Ellen Pink. So I think that

887
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: Pink in early in her career, I'm not I don't

888
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: know if I would go so far as say there

889
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: was that vulnerability that you're looking for Dan, but she

890
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: was certainly there was an authenticity, Like I think first

891
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: she was like truly trying to do hip hop in

892
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: this like crazy way that whatever you think about it

893
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: in retrospect, was authentic to her, Like you could tell

894
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: it came from a love of hip hop and she

895
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: like was trying something, whether she was succeeding or not,

896
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: like it was truly she was trying to be like

897
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: a white hip hop artist. Then she went into this

898
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: kind of like almost like rock and roll direction, and

899
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: she like saying trouble stripped down with a guitar at

900
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: the Grammys or like the Amas or Amas or something.

901
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: She was sort of like like sexy and provocative and

902
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: she would like wear a bra and she was sort

903
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: of like uncategorizable because she wasn't Britney, but she also

904
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: wasn't you know Indie. Obviously, then of course you got

905
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: the stupid girl's ear where she's like out being outspoken

906
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: about how like women are stupid.

907
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: Now, well, she was the anti Brittany.

908
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: She was literally the anti Brittany, which was this is

909
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: just a Prentice like especially sort of like damning considering

910
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: pink was literally like in a duet with Christina Aguilera,

911
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: who's also Brittany. Like it the idea that Pink is

912
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: less or more, but then Brittany is very sort of

913
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: missing the point anyway. The point is I would say

914
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: she had less of a cohesive style, but she was

915
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: throwing spaghetti at the wall in this way where you

916
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: were like, maybe something will come out of this, and

917
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: sure enough, many big hits did, like at the party started,

918
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: and I think Miss Undoes Dude is an incredible record.

919
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: The body of work, the body of body of work.

920
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so then post Ellen is when she becomes fully.

921
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: Like target brand clown, target clown.

922
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: Clown but also inspiration porn. It's it's like, well, yeah,

923
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: this one goes out to all the misfits, but you're

924
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: performing at a sorority party. Like it's like, yes, you're

925
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: you're performing in front of all kind of like middle

926
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: class moms and you're saying, raise your glass to all

927
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: the misfits, and they're all like.

928
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 4: WHOA, Well, that's the song where she tries to it's

929
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: like she tried to start a little monster style thing

930
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: by referring to her fans as the dirty little freaks,

931
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 4: which has never really sat right with me because A,

932
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 4: it's just not very like it's like it needed one

933
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 4: more pass from the gig guy in the room that's

934
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: not there and be It's like, your fans are just

935
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 4: not dirt dirty little freaks.

936
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: They are like candle buyers.

937
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: Yes, there, it is there. Exc that's exactly what they are.

938
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: They are candle buyers had Bath and body Works. It's

939
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: not it's not Yankee candle, but it's Bath and body Works.

940
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to say Magnolia, but it's pre Magnolia, so

941
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 4: it's like it's bath and body Works.

942
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: Yes, but that song in particular is so funny, Like

943
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: when I hear that song, I'm sort of like, I'm

944
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: glad you've been on this insane journey because when you

945
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: remove it from the context of the Midwestern moms. I'm like,

946
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: it's like one of the funniest pieces of music we have.

947
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: It is incredible. I mean the fact that the guts

948
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: it takes to literally release a song where it's nana

949
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: no no, no, nana, Like it's literally sampling a back

950
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: what's it called, like school yards? It's on easing song taunts.

951
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: The last thing I wore songs in one sorry keep going. Yeah.

952
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Last thing I will say is something that we have

953
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: to mention is that the post Ellen bet On, Bath

954
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: and body Works paid off hugely. Yes, because something some

955
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: people that are like in our circles don't know is

956
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: that Pink is, like I think has the second most

957
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: like best selling world tour after Taylor Swift or something.

958
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: She like.

959
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: Her sales are insane and she's insanely popular internationally because

960
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: there's an ESL Eurovision vibe to all her music. So

961
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: it's actually very relatable if you live in like Estonia.

962
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: She kind of reminds me now that you mentioned it,

963
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: and this does undercut my argument, but I'm confident in

964
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 4: the argument regardless. She kind of reminds me of like Cascata,

965
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: like aesthetically and a little bit in the music as well.

966
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 4: But you know, to your point, prising up our elements

967
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 4: of your argument in the pre period when she was

968
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: more messy and dare we say it more gay just

969
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 4: in the sense that she was just trying things spontaneously.

970
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: Don't you wish like a song like Stupid Girls should

971
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: be either intentionally funny in that it's curing people accurately

972
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: or unintentionally funny because it's such an insane concept, And

973
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: it's kind of neither. It's like, it's like, I'm not

974
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: going to bring this back to my.

975
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 3: Book and the concept of like women picking on each other, but.

976
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: It is like, okay, if nothing else, this should just

977
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 4: be like such a wild overstep. And it came out

978
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 4: and I feel like people were just like, Okay, that's

979
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: pink heard from anyway?

980
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: What else is going on.

981
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: With the insane video where she's like directly making fun

982
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: of like Paris Hilton and whatever, and and then and

983
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: the lyrics are so basic, what happened to the dream

984
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: of a girl president she's dancing in the video next

985
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: to fifty cent That is her take.

986
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: Yes, I do feel like if she ever apologized for it,

987
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure she probably did, But I also feel like

988
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: everyone has just forgotten that in part because like she's

989
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 4: so self help now that it's like, oh, Pink would

990
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: ever do something like that. She basically is Brene Brown,

991
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 4: Like she basically just is such a kind of quasi

992
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: inspirational figure.

993
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

994
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually think what you're talking about in

995
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: terms of like her not being able to commit to

996
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: either you know, full camp or full let's say, cringe

997
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, like stupid Girls is right in the middle

998
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: of that. I actually think that could also be applied

999
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: to like appear like her fashion choices, her hair, like

1000
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: everything is in this weird dare I say, uncancanny Valley,

1001
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: Like it's like between good and bad.

1002
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: You're kind of there's something about her that it's kind

1003
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: of similar to this where I'm like, she doesn't exist

1004
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: in a place like I feel like a lot of

1005
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: pop stars you can be like, oh, they're like that's

1006
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: New York Lower East Side, like that they're going for

1007
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: like a like Los Angeles, they're going for Houston. Like

1008
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: there's like a there's something where it's like it does

1009
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: exist in a space and it's just like you're translating

1010
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: where you're from to a larger audience. And Pink, it's like, like,

1011
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: what is your Like it's half like I'm redneck, half

1012
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm hip hop, half I'm target and it's like it's

1013
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: so confusing.

1014
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: I think that connect that relates to the Eurovision thing.

1015
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: There's something that is like it's almost like someone who

1016
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: grew up in a small European country consuming American pop

1017
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: culture and then tried to emulate it.

1018
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and she.

1019
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: Always it always goes through that pink filter, if of

1020
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: like a sort of light lack of taste and just

1021
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 4: kind of blending it all together. Where like basically since

1022
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: the Ellen Alliance, she's been the same way. I think,

1023
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 4: like the degree of the idea of eras as it

1024
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: work can be like very overstated, but she's been the

1025
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: exact same for like fifteen years and the music sounds

1026
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: the same, the aesthetic presentation is the same, the act

1027
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: as the same, and people love it. But you're a

1028
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 4: little bit like, okay, like I want dynamism because you

1029
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: know it could. You are missing out on the chance

1030
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 4: to do something really transcendent, but you're also missing out

1031
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: of the chance to like, Pink will never have an

1032
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: art pop Pink will never have a bionic because she

1033
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: will never release music that's not like completely the same.

1034
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she everything is like a bit crowd tested,

1035
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 2: Like it's like she's trying to succeed. And I even

1036
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: feel like stupid girls. I think that is her like

1037
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: artistic view is to be like what is popular, Like

1038
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four, it was like hating Paris

1039
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: Hilton and thinking like girls were dumb, and so it

1040
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: was like, I will do so.

1041
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it wasn't like she was bravely speaking

1042
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: up like the mainstream view was American society is going

1043
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: to ship because of Paris Hilton and Nicole Ridge.

1044
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: Literally right, and that song now yeah, and even now,

1045
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 5: like the inspiration stuff, it's like, well Trump as president,

1046
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 5: and like all I can do is be like and

1047
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: Ellen is the biggest person on earth, I will be

1048
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 5: inspiring like that.

1049
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: A great example I think of the Pink ethos is

1050
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: a few years ago she had an album called Beautiful Trauma,

1051
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: which I think is the perfect title for a Pink

1052
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: album because it's like it's a few years after like

1053
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: trauma became a buzzword. Yes it's no longer fresh, but

1054
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: to the candle buyers and to the people in small

1055
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: European countries. It is the first time they've heard, right,

1056
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, okay for everyone who hasn't heard

1057
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: about Trauma yet. This is an album called Beautiful Trauma.

1058
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: You know when her songs, though, really do hit, like

1059
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 4: when I hear them and I'm like, damn, trauma really

1060
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: can be beautiful. Yes, He's like Pink came back into

1061
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: my life. I said, I always knew who she was

1062
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 4: because like she's often the last song at a soul

1063
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 4: psycho class. And it's like, I don't have any associations

1064
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 4: with this other than I know who's singing it because

1065
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 4: I recognize your voice.

1066
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: This song has never been a part of my life.

1067
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: Beloved by candlebuyers in the world over who've got packed stadiums,

1068
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 4: but to me, I'm here for the first time of

1069
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: the lyrics kind of mean everything and nothing, and I

1070
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: am soaring on that bike, I am like about to

1071
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: fly out.

1072
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: Of the room. You know, Dan, it's funny that you

1073
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: say that because my mom is a fitness instructor.

1074
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: Wait, really, so.

1075
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: That's this is the missing link. Of course, she loves Pink,

1076
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: so she loves or.

1077
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: What she does spin she owns like a boutique fitness

1078
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: place in Michigan, and so it's like small classes.

1079
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: I visited it. It's honestly great. It really made me

1080
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: want to like take her classes, and I'm kind of

1081
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: sad that I didn't have time. Yeah, I would have

1082
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: loved if she played Beautiful Trauma from start to finish.

1083
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, she pink is a staple of the Spin

1084
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: Room playlist, I bet, and so yeah, it's that's that

1085
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: is the link. That is a big link. And that's

1086
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: also there is a fitness it's a Midwestern fitness link.

1087
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 2: Because there's also like it's impressive physically, the acrobatics. It's

1088
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: not like this looks cool, it's like her age. She

1089
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: can do this, Like that's inspiring.

1090
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: Yes, No, and it's not. It's by its very nature.

1091
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 4: It's not like, you know, I Lady Goga, for instance,

1092
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: dances her house off in the Abercadet video, but it's

1093
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 4: like cut together between shots. It's like, no, you're in

1094
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: the stadium and you are watching that woman fly over

1095
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 4: your head for two hours, like and she can do it.

1096
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: And what she does is impressive.

1097
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: It is impressive.

1098
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: And I've always sort of okay, so because I actually

1099
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: was a Pink fan as a child, I like didn't

1100
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: realize that it was uncool until much later in the game.

1101
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: There was a family trip where the two CDs that

1102
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: I had were The eminem Show and miss Undasdod and

1103
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: I love going back and forth between the two of them,

1104
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: and like when you're when you're like, okay, when you're

1105
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: a kid, and you sort of are like discovering like

1106
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Sun Dance movies and like discovering you hear family portrait

1107
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: by Pink and you're like, this is deep in our

1108
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: family portrait. We look pretty happy, we look pretty normal.

1109
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Let's go back to.

1110
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 4: That aging Todd salons like hello, literally it's literally yes,

1111
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: that is wiener dog.

1112
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: So there is a part of me that is almost upset,

1113
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: almost similar to how I feel about Gwen Stefani, because

1114
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: when Stefani also very much has a pre Ellen and

1115
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: post Ellen phase. Yes, obviously her pre Ellen phase is

1116
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: much more iconic, and I'm not comparing them, but like

1117
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: there is a nostalgia where I'm like, damn, if one

1118
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: other thing had gone differently, what if Pink, one of

1119
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: Pink's crazy early experiments had like gained traction and then

1120
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: she did like a concept album.

1121
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that could have been really interesting.

1122
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 4: I think I think I feel like we've reached the

1123
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: portion of the roast and as much as this is

1124
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 4: a roast, but we're like, yeah, not seriously, Pink.

1125
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 3: You're a legend.

1126
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: You are absolutely right. No, I know because I started

1127
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: feeling back because I was like, even the circus, the

1128
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: circus stuff, I'm like, she actually does tear it. Like

1129
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: when you watch that initial performance of Glitter in the

1130
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: Air where she first does a circus thing, it is impressive.

1131
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: Well, and that was crazy.

1132
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 4: My recollection is that was at the Grammys and it

1133
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 4: was kind of like, oh, Pink at the Grammy's random

1134
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 4: and that was when she kind.

1135
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: Of uncorked it.

1136
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 4: Yes, and it was like legitimately impressive and then she

1137
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: kind of just kept doing it.

1138
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot. Can I another a funny thing

1139
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: that my mom did once that I have to say,

1140
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: And Mom, I hope you have stopped listening. But I

1141
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: think I was home like for the Pandemic and we

1142
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: were like listening to music and like she was like,

1143
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: so what a gig guys think about Pink? And I

1144
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: was like, that is such an iconic question, and it

1145
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: actually was like kind of sad where I had to

1146
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: be like, you know, honestly, like they don't quite stand

1147
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, and I tried to like

1148
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: really soften it and be like, you know, some really

1149
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: like her, like of course.

1150
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: You think the candle buying gaze do.

1151
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: I do think there's a sort of Midwestern like gay homeowner, right.

1152
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: I want to know what the percentage because I actually

1153
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: do think lesbian. Sorry to speak about lesbians again, I

1154
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: don't want to get in trouble on Instagram, but I

1155
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: do think lesbians love pink, Like I do think there's

1156
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: a there's a kind of lesbian couple, you know, two

1157
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: dogs pit bull mixes maybe, and they are living in

1158
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: like not Indianapolis, what's the one Bloomington, and they are

1159
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: going to the Pink show.

1160
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a direct correlation, regardless of gender

1161
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: of whether if you own a home, you're like ninety

1162
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 2: percent more likely to enjoy the music of pink.

1163
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: That's true. They go hand in hand because you're like,

1164
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: I own a home and that makes me an outcast.

1165
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: Like that's sort of the thought process that goes and

1166
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: then you're like, raise your glass if you are wrong

1167
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: in all the right ways.

1168
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: I feel like it's just like you're settled. It's like

1169
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: I don't have time to focus on what Lady Gaga

1170
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 3: and Katie Honor and Chapel Roon are doing.

1171
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 4: Like let me just listen to a three and a

1172
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: half minute pop song where right at the bridge she

1173
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: stops and randomly talks for fifteen seconds.

1174
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1175
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: The one thing that I think is proof that gay

1176
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 4: guys have never seen it for her is I feel

1177
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: like we would see posts that refer to her by

1178
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 4: her given name, like it would be like Alica Moore,

1179
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 4: Alicia just does it again in the same way. It's like, oh, Stephanie,

1180
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: you shouldn't have Like it's just she says she told

1181
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 4: us who she was Pink, and we believed her because

1182
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 4: it was just like, okay, whatever, like you if you

1183
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 4: say it, I'm good with it. Like there's never been

1184
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 4: a kind of wondering of who she is behind the mystique.

1185
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: That's so true, and especially because when you think about it,

1186
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: the name pink with an exclamation point is actually so

1187
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: art pop on paper. To name yourself p exclamation point

1188
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: NK is is so like swan Like that's literally that.

1189
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of like a pop star

1190
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: from a movie too.

1191
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I feel like it's very like if

1192
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: the Wakowski has made like a movie about the future,

1193
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 4: the pop star would be named p exclamation point NK.

1194
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: Yes, it sort of sounds like a cryptocurrency.

1195
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you guys think, well, first of all,

1196
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: she needs her own coin. We need pink coin.

1197
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: Now if you don't think she, I'm not even looking

1198
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: up she has one and I'm investing.

1199
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 2: I'm putting everything in a pink poin.

1200
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? It could be it would be

1201
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: the most stable coin to invest in. She's the most

1202
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: successful artist.

1203
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: I have a question. Do you think it's like mentally

1204
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: healthier for your fan base to be not gay guys?

1205
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 3: Like yes, yes, unambiguously.

1206
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: It's like the best fan base is like fish yeah.

1207
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but having gay guys as your fans does give

1208
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: you more like cultural cred in the long run, but

1209
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: at what cost?

1210
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think the best fan base is to have

1211
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: are a like stable homeowning adults and failing that, like

1212
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: young children, because there's a lot of growth potential and

1213
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: they imprint on you.

1214
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: That's true.

1215
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, Like my four year old now stands Chapel, which, like,

1216
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: I kind of wish she had a CD wallet that

1217
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 4: just had like pink in it, because I think like

1218
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 4: having an Sorry George like uncool moment is like very

1219
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 4: powerful and important. I agree, But she's just like play

1220
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: hot to Go and I'm like, okay, so like Chapa

1221
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 4: will get thirty years of your money, like.

1222
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: Yes, So that is interesting having a four year old.

1223
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: Does she respond differently to other pop stars, like is

1224
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: there anyone? She's like, yuck, I hate this. Let me

1225
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: think what happens when you put on Charlie xx.

1226
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: We have put on Charlie and she doesn't like it.

1227
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1228
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 4: She she more goes by song like she doesn't necessarily

1229
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 4: understand the concept that like recording artists can record multiple songs,

1230
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: and so she just kind of like certain Chapel songs.

1231
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: And she recently told us that the song what Was

1232
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 4: I Made For? Makes me feel sad inside, yeah, which

1233
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: I think is very understandable. But other than that, it's

1234
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: just kind of like Chapel roar. She's a big roar head.

1235
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 4: She responds to Katie. She does not respond to Gaga. Incidentally,

1236
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 4: that's scary, I guess I mean.

1237
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: Hot to Go actually similar to Raise your Glass. Literally,

1238
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's like appropriating a cheerleader chant in the

1239
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: same way that Raise your Glass is appropriating like a

1240
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: school yard. So it is childlike in this way. I

1241
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: would say it's slightly hair quality than Raise your Glass,

1242
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: but it does have that childlike ellen, as does Roar.

1243
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 4: I think about this with all these songs. Do you

1244
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 4: know how at the end of Visit from the Goon Squad,

1245
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 4: have you guys read that You're too busy reading the

1246
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 4: Talent by Danda Darreon.

1247
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to.

1248
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Think I have finished a visit from the spoil It.

1249
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 4: It's it's like in the future, and it's like a

1250
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 4: recording artist is trying to break out, and the way

1251
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 4: you break out is like toddlers, like if they like you,

1252
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 4: they press a button and that's how they determine if

1253
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 4: recording urts been famous in the future. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

1254
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 4: we're basically there, like totally, And I think Pink would

1255
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 4: pass that test with flying.

1256
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: Colors absolutely, yeah, damn huh. The part in the Pink

1257
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: song when she's like, why so SI is so funny.

1258
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: She's the joker.

1259
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 4: I literally I love that and I love like there's

1260
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 4: that song about like self image that goes like pretty

1261
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 4: pretty please, and each verse she sings why do I

1262
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 4: do that? And then in the final verse she stops,

1263
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 4: and she stops the song the beat drops out.

1264
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: Just why do I do that?

1265
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 4: And it's like when she stops the song, which she

1266
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 4: does on multiple songs, and like talks to herself and

1267
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: like phsykes herself up, it is kind of despite myself.

1268
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, that's kind of.

1269
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: Fab Yeah, totally, because guess what. At the end of

1270
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: the day, I'm being so pro pink. I'm sorry. At

1271
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: the end of the day, she actually does have beautiful trauma,

1272
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: Like she isn't. Literally, she grew up in like a

1273
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: difficult family situation, and you should listen to family, set

1274
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: your ass down and takes any notes. You need to

1275
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: watch the video for Family Portrait and then get back

1276
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: to me. Because she has been through so much.

1277
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: I think she's quite understowed.

1278
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Deeply she's understood, but I think previously she wasn't. And

1279
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: maybe that is I mean, that is the pre Ellen

1280
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: post Ellen thing. It's like post Ellen, she is understood.

1281
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: My only point is it's like that's what makes it

1282
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: almost like funnier in a way that like she actually

1283
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: did have the beautiful trauma that could have caused her

1284
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: to become a like a gog. I mean, I guess

1285
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: Gaga didn't have beautiful trauma because she went to n Yu.

1286
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 3: But like, but that Facebook group about how she would never.

1287
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: Be that's right, that's it's just ironic that like Gaga

1288
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: went to n y u and makes art pop, Pink,

1289
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, has beautiful trauma and makes raise your glund.

1290
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: I think Pink's trauma to me is like her son

1291
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: like motocrossed too much like her is there. She's so BMX.

1292
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: I see Pink, and I see.

1293
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: Her the father of her children is a professional being.

1294
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: So that's why I see that. That makes sense, got it?

1295
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: And he's really I don't know what he looks like now,

1296
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: but I remember when they got together. I thought it

1297
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: was so cute in like a sort of blink gwent

1298
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: Eity two wake again. I think it's also like for

1299
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: some people my exact age, maybe it was like the

1300
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: first time they even because music was like Spice Girls,

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Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys. It was the first time anyone even had

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Speaker 1: something approaching the aesthetics of alt that I saw that

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Speaker 1: you would see on like mainstream MTV, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It was like an el Lavine type thing.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because if she were like five years later,

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Speaker 4: she would have been in a class of like I

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Speaker 4: don't even know, like the all American rejects and like

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 4: Jimmy Eats Eat World or whatever, where it's like, okay,

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Speaker 4: these are also like alt a jacent or like even

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Speaker 4: Blinkwin Eity two being big, And because she just came

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Speaker 4: up with Brittany, it was like I am the anti

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Speaker 4: Brittany one thing. There were other items on the menu

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Speaker 4: like five years later, and not that she would have

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Speaker 4: been like them, but it would have been like, Okay,

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01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 4: it's a more diverse soundscape. It's like she just had

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Speaker 4: to be like fuck Brittany because that was the only

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Speaker 4: other option, right.

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Speaker 1: She was the like self styled punk one in the

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: pop world rather than the pop one in the punk

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Speaker 1: She wasn't paramore, like she didn't do like pop punk

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01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: that was like in the realm of simple plan or

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Speaker 1: something like that. She very was firmly a pop star

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01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: that was like a woman with backup dancers, but she

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01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: was like I'm not like those other girls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, short hair.

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Speaker 4: Had she been even like a few more years later,

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01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 4: she could have been so Katie Perry performing at the

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Speaker 4: Warp Tour, which is how Katie got her start, And

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Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I'm like a pop star, but like

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Speaker 4: I don't even need to define myself against Brittany. I'm

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Speaker 4: defining myself because like I'm a conventional pop star And

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Speaker 4: isn't it so random that I'm here at the Warp Tour?

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm yeah damn. So, Dan, is your sequel going

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: to be about pop girls instead of actresses?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually gonna be It's gonna be said at

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01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: the Grammys. Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I've like written enough about celebrities

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Speaker 4: for one lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe you'll revisit it in like twenty

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01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: years and it'll be like a big sort of like return,

1341
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: return to the big. Yeah.

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01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 4: Well, the problem is I felt like I was really

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 4: good at making up fake You can be the judge,

1345
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 4: but I felt like I could make up fake movies.

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01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 4: I feel like, whenever I read a book with a

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01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 4: fake pop star in it, the songs feel really fake.

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01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: So I need to, like that's true, get better at writing.

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Speaker 1: I think the tropes are maybe I'm just more of

1350
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: a film person than a music person, but the tropes

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: are much more relatable to me in the movie world. Well,

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01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: I think there's like I could never have predicted that

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01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: an Olivia Rodrigo would become a big thing, that like

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01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: like pop punk would suddenly be big in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was surprising, and I loved it, but it

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01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: was surprising.

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01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: Dan any final thoughts on Pink.

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01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 4: I feel like through this conversation, I'm like a Pink fan.

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01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 4: I actually, as soon as we close out of this zoom,

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01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: I'm going to like put on Spotify and I'm like

1361
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 4: not kidding, Like I feel like everything said I do.

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Speaker 3: I do maintain she's the straightest pop star alive.

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 4: But I'm like, oh my god, yes, but that has

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01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 4: a valuable role to play on our ecosystem now.

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well it's like she's almost in the same

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01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: class as like Megan Trainer, but she's like of in

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01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: that binary she's the cool one.

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01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and show me Megan Trainer flying through the

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01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 3: air like.

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Speaker 6: Like literally yeah, she is also like she is so

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Speaker 6: Pink has always been such an ally to the LGBTQ plus,

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Speaker 6: but it's also like she's performed, like she's an ally

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 6: and she's performing to all allies and all of them

1374
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 6: are like waving rainbow flags, are so excited, but they

1375
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 6: have never met a real gay person.

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: But nephew, Yes, in theory the superport of they have

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Speaker 1: a gay nephew, but they're also sorry, like maybe anti vax.

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01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: Well like that because of the fitness connection.

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01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's like anti vax but has a gay

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: nephew and and loves candles.

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Speaker 2: And loves candles. Well, we all love candles. Okay, I

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: think we should do First of all, I agree, I'm

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and put on Pink at the

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01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: moment I can. And I actually think, Adam, for when

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01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 2: you end this episode, please do raise your glass instead

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: of our normal song.

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Speaker 1: Do as much as we can get away with without

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01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, having to pay Sony, actually do enough that

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01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: we get sued so that we can be in conversation

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Speaker 1: with Pink.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I think we should our final segment Dan,

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01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: which is of course shout outs, where we pay homage

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01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out,

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01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 2: where we shout out anything that we enjoy and George,

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01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: I actually do have one.

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Speaker 1: I do too, but you can go first.

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01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up freaks, losers, and not to mention the perverts,

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Speaker 2: I want to give a huge shout out to Siggy's Yogurt.

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Speaker 2: If you know me, you know I've been a Chabani

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01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: diva since day one. I you know, I say chow

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01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: me the bonnie. But now I have had some Siggi's

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01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: and when I had in the past, I was like,

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01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: this is dry. It's powdery almost, and I can't handle it.

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01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: Now I think I have a more mature palette and

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01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying, finally, a yogurt that's dry. I love that.

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: It's like it's more good than a Chobani. Chobani feels

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01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: like a yogurt for a child. And now I am

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: on my way to being a pink loving homeowner and

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Speaker 2: I need to have my dry, dry yogurt. So shout

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01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: out to Siggi's. You're drying up and it makes me

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01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: feel like it's better for me and I love you. Xoxo, Sam.

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01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: Wait, Sam, have you tried the fruity ones? No, you

1413
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: gotta do blueberry, and you gotta do and berries a

1414
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: berry really good. And also I'm about to bliw your mind.

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Speaker 1: I've done Siggi's as a shout out before.

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01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: Whoa fuck?

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01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I'm going to keep with the theme

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01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: of music and music videos and misunders, misundos, dude, women

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01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: in music. What's a music lovers out there? I want

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Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the music video for

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01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: the Tory Amos song A sort of fairy Tale. This

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: video stars Tori Amos and Adrian Brody Oscar nominee and

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01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: past winner Adrian Brody. Toy Amos plays a leg and

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: Adrian Brady plays an arm. You're thinking, what are you

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01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: talking about? Imagine a leg with a head on it

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01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: and an arm with a head on it.

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now that you have that image in your head,

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: imagine them falling in love and that and imagine me

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: absolutely bawling my eyes out because it is the most

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01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: beautiful love story between a leg and an arm I've

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01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: ever seen. Shout out to Adrian Brody for randomly doing

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01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: that video after winning an Oscar for the Pianist or

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01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: maybe before. I'm not gonna fact check it, and shout

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: out to Tory Amos, who has zero Grammys, whereas Taylor

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: Shift has fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and you know, the Grammys are a damn sham.

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01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: It's not real.

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01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: It's not real, Dan.

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01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 3: Whenever you're ready, all.

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01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 4: Right, I'm gonna give a shout out to oyster crackers.

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: Yesterday I had a bit of an upset tummy and

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01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 4: I went ransacking my closet looking for something that could

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 4: soothe me, and oyster crackers it was. They are great,

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 4: crumbled up into soup or chowder if you have if

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 4: you are in some sort of lobster shack on the shore,

1447
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 4: but if you are just in a Brooklyn apartment far

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01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 4: from water and you just want something that is tasteless

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 4: but in the best possible way. They are crunchy, they're weirdly,

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01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: a little thick. They are sold at Trader Joe's, which

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,959
Speaker 4: is what mine were, but other establishments as well. Oyster crackers.

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01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 4: I don't know why they're called that. They would be

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01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 4: really bad on an oyster, but they're great. Just from

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01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 4: the palm of your hand. Thank you, oyster crackers, I

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01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 4: love you.

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01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I thought about this in a while.

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: Don't write in But also whyever they call that? Yeah,

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: don't write I love I love the idea that you

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: were looking in your closet for oyster crackers, because it's

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01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,839
Speaker 1: like how we find out that you keep oyster crackers

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: in your clothing closet.

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 4: I meant pantry, but no, no, it is so weirdly shaped. Yeah,

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01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 4: I brought them out of the closet. Yeah.

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01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Dan, thanks so much for doing the pod.

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01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 2: I loved the book. I think everyone should do it.

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01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: And I want to apologize to all former authors for

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01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: not having finished the book before you came on.

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: I want to say that for multiple of the former authors.

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: I then did end up finishing the book.

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Speaker 4: But you had such informed questions today because you read mine.

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 4: So maybe you're turning over.

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01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: I think we're turning over a new leave. I actually

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01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: am kind of turning over a new leaf where it's

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01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: like enough being a child.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: No, we're in our post Ellen era for sure.

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 4: Siggy's yogurt reading books. It's all happening. Home ownership next.

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01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, home ownership.

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Speaker 1: Let's go Dan one more time. What is your novel?

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01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: Call your debut novel called in whorking people? I mean, yeah,

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: where can people find it?

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 4: It is called the Talent My name is Daniel Dedario.

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 4: It is available anywhere you buy books, your local independent bookstore,

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 4: the library, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere like that.

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: Well Run Don't Walk, Run Don't Walk. Okay, Bye bye

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Speaker 3: Was shoot? Just freak out?

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