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Speaker 1: NHL Unscripted is a production of the NHL and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on NHL and Scripted, we give flowers to

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Speaker 1: PK Sue Band considering the Habs them.

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Speaker 2: We have the Habs find their biggest fan.

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Speaker 1: Plus what's gonna happen with Matt bab Metzkoff and the

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Speaker 1: Flyers after this summer. Chris Pronger is our special guest,

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Speaker 1: my friend and colleague from our time on Amazon Prime

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Speaker 1: when Hockey Prongs is proning his new book called Earned

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately Nate Thompson not with us today on assignment,

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Speaker 1: so it is truly Verkin demurrors back once again. Tow

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Speaker 1: will be for sure to supplant whatever Nate's going to say. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: So Jenny, good to see as always, Buddy. Let's kick

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Speaker 1: things off of the fact that rackets busted in some ways.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think this has.

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Speaker 1: Been a in some ways are predictable playoffs, and that

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Speaker 1: the Avalanche looked great, Carolina's looked really good, but at

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Speaker 1: times there's been some surprises along the way. What I

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Speaker 1: want to start with though, is Goldie switches. We're barely

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Speaker 1: into the second round of the playoffs already seeing some

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Speaker 1: movement in the crease.

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Speaker 3: Colorado for a.

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Speaker 1: Team that is the primitive favorite, pulling Scott Wedgwood in

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Speaker 1: a five to one Game three loss Saturday, Minnesota after

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Speaker 1: giving him three goals on nine shots. Bekenzie Blackwood starts

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Speaker 1: Game four stopping nineteen twenty one in a big Colorado wins.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh, the guy got the hook for

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Speaker 1: Buffalo already pulled Uka Pecaluca and for Alex Line in

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Speaker 1: the first run against Boston. Now Line gives up eleven

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Speaker 1: percents of well over nine hundred, whereas Uka was eight.

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Speaker 2: To seventy one, and he puts him in. Yes, heck

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Speaker 1: So Uka comes in twenty eight staves in their Game

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Speaker 1: four win. I know that you can't have one goalie

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Speaker 1: in which two guys.

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Speaker 3: Always split the entire regular season.

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Speaker 1: But your level of reaction to the fact two teams

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Speaker 1: who are trying to make real pushes are not hesitating

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Speaker 1: in the fact they can pull their quote unquote number

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I but both those goalies.

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Speaker 4: Like at times this year, it has truly been in

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Speaker 4: Buffalo and Colorado, it's been a one A, one B situation.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's something new, right, but like I

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Speaker 4: kind of listen, Jared Bednar is one of the most

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Speaker 4: intelligent coaches in the NHL. If you talk to anybody

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Speaker 4: that's within inner circles, he knows, he knows his shit

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Speaker 4: front back. He knows exactly what buttons to push, so stoic,

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Speaker 4: and it almost feels like I think everybody's surprised in

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Speaker 4: Colorado that they didn't need to go to Blackwood until

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Speaker 4: now because they've been because Wedgwood's been so dominant, and

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Speaker 4: I just think it was one of those situations. It's

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Speaker 4: playing great. They hadn't played great, they haven't played great

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Speaker 4: in this series against Montreal. I think Montreal's led play

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Speaker 4: you know, So I for it to be two to

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Speaker 4: I could not be more ecstatic that it's too too

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Speaker 4: because it could easily be three to one in this series,

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Speaker 4: and Lion's been good. But I think, you know, Lyon,

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Speaker 4: he's what.

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Speaker 3: Am I saying?

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Speaker 1: Lion Lion? Yeah, I feel like I'm fucking it up

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Speaker 4: Lieon looks Lyon no like Lion, just I think the

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Speaker 4: game he's still giving up some and defensively they've been bad.

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Speaker 4: And I think this was, you know, this was more

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Speaker 4: They also Colton Nell's come in, so for him, I

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Speaker 4: got to get the team going Colorado. I feel like it's, hey,

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Speaker 4: we got to get in Blackwood at some point in

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Speaker 4: And I think Colorado has been so dominant that they

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Speaker 4: you know, I think they're so used to going back

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Speaker 4: it's like Beddner being like, let's just give him a rest.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be back in at some point in these playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Child, you see similar leadership styles. Jared Bednar, Bob Bender.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I mean I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with

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Speaker 5: That's for sure offense to Bob Bender, but that our

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Speaker 5: salad is is primo stuff, you know. I think you know,

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Speaker 5: both both great leaders, both both heavy handed when they

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Speaker 5: need to be.

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Speaker 2: Although I'm just curious, JD.

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Speaker 5: I just want to know do teams play differently when

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Speaker 5: this guy lost his job, now he's got it back.

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Speaker 2: Let's, you know, let's let's.

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Speaker 5: Come out and give him an extra special performance because

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Speaker 5: you play yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, If you hate the goalie, he's a piece of shit,

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Speaker 4: you're not giving him anything. But if he's if you

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Speaker 4: love him, you're playing Calvin Pickard, perfect example. Guys love

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Speaker 4: them exactly, guys you know people would just try to

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Speaker 4: hate on them. I'm like, these guys absolutely love them

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Speaker 4: you know, as a d man, you know when we'd

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Speaker 4: have a goalie change, especially now at this point in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, And it's happened before when I played in

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Speaker 4: you know, let them see, let them see everything, and

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Speaker 4: just make sure, like you clean up all the mess

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Speaker 4: We're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna make sure we're tight defensively,

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Speaker 4: They kind of had some holes.

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Speaker 1: Meantime, what happens in Vegas, well, the Vegas goal of

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Speaker 1: the Knights may have to waken one of the most

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Speaker 1: So forget all the playoff dram in the years passed

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Speaker 1: Vegas leads all playoffs score sixteen points and eleven games.

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Speaker 2: Game three against Anaheim.

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Speaker 1: But their heart and soul guy, the captain, Mark Stone

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Speaker 1: missing games four and five undisclosed injury Martin II club

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Speaker 1: and awesome. But can Vegas truly make a run without

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: He's he really is the catalyst without that with that

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Speaker 4: but the record with him and without him is pretty staggering.

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Speaker 4: He's just, you know, he's so good for them, and

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Speaker 4: so you know they get that win, overtime win, score

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Speaker 3: Much is a good nickname?

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Speaker 4: I mean speaking of wingers, Like, how much is Pavel

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Speaker 4: d'orfiev gonna make next year?

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Speaker 2: Nine millionaire?

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Speaker 4: Seven goals in these playoffs? Thirty seven this year over

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Speaker 4: thirty last year. I think that that's big. That's some

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, it's a thin free agent market in the cast

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Speaker 4: He's got to be the best free agent out there, No,

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Speaker 4: but like you're paying them like you're getting out your

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Speaker 4: he scores too, I mean just but yeah, for Stone,

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Speaker 4: always going to take hate from Toronto media. They there's

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Speaker 4: no there's no fan base that is just stares at

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Speaker 4: always be like that for him. But he's been great.

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Speaker 4: He's been I feel like just the collection of players

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Speaker 4: So but you know, I I really do think that

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Speaker 4: missing Stone's gonna hurt this team. But I you watch

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Speaker 4: that series, Anaheim and Vegas, great series, a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Physical said by the way that game starting interject. Game five,

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Speaker 1: Vegas wins Reach North. It was the best game of the.

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Speaker 1: It was good for them or he's just it in generally,

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Speaker 1: I thought it's been the best game of the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I was like, Marle, I love Dano, But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Very I guess maybe it's an underrated series because the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's it's it's fast, it's great. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's scoring chances galore. It's it's pretty open, like in

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Speaker 4: And I mean, ana I'm such an exciting team to watch.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of grizzled veteran team and you know they're

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Speaker 4: they're back and forth. It's it's every mistake that Anaheim makes,

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Speaker 4: And both goalies have kind of had had their moments too.

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Speaker 4: That's the big thing. But yeah, I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: They could do it.

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Speaker 4: But listen, both these teams, they're gonna run another buzzsaw

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Speaker 4: that is Colorado, and I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 4: be much of a I don't think either one of

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Speaker 4: these teams, if they give up these kind of scoring

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Speaker 4: the onslaught of Colorado. Now I'm speaking like Colorado's they're

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Speaker 4: already in the finals. But that's how strong I feel

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Speaker 4: about it that they're might as well just put them

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Speaker 4: in the finals. Now, go go to the golf course,

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Speaker 4: go hang out. You guys are good. Take the week off.

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Speaker 3: We got it.

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Speaker 1: You asked for that staff from Tel Vegas eight to

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Speaker 1: nine and five without Stone during the season, So can

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Speaker 1: they wait one more game against the Ducks?

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Speaker 2: Sure, but to actually win.

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Speaker 3: Eight nine and five without them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah five?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no Boynsky.

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Speaker 1: Also, Vegas need to sign Rasmus Anderson the summer, and

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Speaker 4: This series just feels like a coin flip. It really does.

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Speaker 3: This year, a.

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Speaker 1: Fill off your flyers get a three point eight percent

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Speaker 2: So clearly it was a successful season.

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Speaker 4: We're talking Philly. We got a little Philly talking over.

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Speaker 4: Past portermotion looks like an absolute stud.

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Speaker 1: Vladar is like, now they're franchise goalie Ziegras your guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, give it.

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Speaker 2: Then flip him or do you actually do believe he's

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Speaker 4: You gotta give him more more runway. I mean you

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Speaker 4: have to either sit down with talk and you have

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Speaker 4: They had no business getting passed Round one. The Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: They went to overtime both games against Carolina. They had opportunities,

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Speaker 4: have him stay with Talk, have talk, feed him, cook

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Speaker 3: The season he's ready to go. There's no excuses. Now

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Speaker 4: And then play him for ten to twenty games twenty

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Speaker 4: And if it doesn't work, I mean, listen, you didn't.

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Speaker 3: Scratched him in game four. But that's not a scratch

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Speaker 1: I don't like h Now, that's all I was going

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Speaker 1: He's not going to score in that game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come hell or high water.

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Speaker 4: Take get Betty, make your picks. Yeah, take it easy.

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Speaker 3: If you're getting seventeen breakaways.

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Speaker 3: He can't. I came in.

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Speaker 4: After, but you know, just through osmosis. I you know,

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Speaker 3: Listen. I he should be a GM or an AGM.

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Speaker 4: He needs to get the opportunity if you're giving you know,

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Speaker 3: No, actually got the number three, like son of a bitch?

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Speaker 4: Well you you never know with that pick because you

435
00:19:47,912 --> 00:19:50,032
Speaker 4: know San Jose has made it a parent they need

436
00:19:50,032 --> 00:19:53,072
Speaker 4: to retool their decore good point. So it's like it's

437
00:19:53,152 --> 00:19:55,272
Speaker 4: you could see an interesting one like a Chase Reed

438
00:19:55,432 --> 00:19:58,832
Speaker 4: come off the board. But I feel like Stenberg is

439
00:19:58,872 --> 00:20:02,752
Speaker 4: the most NHL ready guy in my mind.

440
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Speaker 2: I just think you have that kind of season. Oh

441
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Speaker 2: we're gonna get McKenna.

442
00:20:06,232 --> 00:20:08,712
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got McKenna. Know, you get the seventh overall pick.

443
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Speaker 4: We're fucking third, might as well be the tenth at

444
00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:14,632
Speaker 4: that point. One more topul than We'll get to Chris Ponger.

445
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Speaker 4: Butch please some Pacific drama division this week is the

446
00:20:18,272 --> 00:20:21,672
Speaker 4: Vegas gold Knights reportedly rejected the Oither's request to talk

447
00:20:21,712 --> 00:20:24,112
Speaker 4: to their former coach, Bruce Cassidy. That's going to Frank

448
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Speaker 4: Sara Valley.

449
00:20:24,752 --> 00:20:27,232
Speaker 1: This isn't only a problem because Cassie's still technically under

450
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Speaker 1: contract to Vegas, but Edmonton still is a coach and

451
00:20:29,472 --> 00:20:31,072
Speaker 1: Chris Knablock, I'm sure.

452
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Speaker 3: This happens all the time Jeday, it justly doesn't become public.

453
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Speaker 2: What do you make of what's going through Chris Nablock's

454
00:20:35,432 --> 00:20:36,032
Speaker 2: mind right now?

455
00:20:37,712 --> 00:20:42,272
Speaker 4: Like really, really, we're gonna go through this shit again.

456
00:20:43,032 --> 00:20:45,752
Speaker 4: We're gonna go through this shit again with Edmonton. We're

457
00:20:45,792 --> 00:20:49,071
Speaker 4: gonna do this again. We're gonna fire the coach and

458
00:20:49,112 --> 00:20:51,392
Speaker 4: we're gonna fucking bring somebody else in and we're not

459
00:20:51,432 --> 00:20:53,952
Speaker 4: gonna address the elephant in the room, which is the

460
00:20:54,032 --> 00:20:56,952
Speaker 4: GM and everything above and we're gonna come in here

461
00:20:56,952 --> 00:20:59,912
Speaker 4: and they're just gonna pass the buck down the line.

462
00:21:00,632 --> 00:21:05,792
Speaker 4: I'm I'm shut. I was like what, like what like

463
00:21:05,872 --> 00:21:08,992
Speaker 4: this is what we're doing? Like they don't realize, they're

464
00:21:08,992 --> 00:21:13,552
Speaker 4: like Connor's gone. Like I was like, they're gonna figure

465
00:21:13,552 --> 00:21:16,992
Speaker 4: it out, Like if you're that inept and like this

466
00:21:17,112 --> 00:21:19,512
Speaker 4: is you're going after You can't even talk to Bruce

467
00:21:19,552 --> 00:21:22,272
Speaker 4: and you're going after Bruce Cassidy Like that's how bad.

468
00:21:22,632 --> 00:21:24,912
Speaker 4: Like I understand Bruce Castid a great coach, fan of

469
00:21:24,952 --> 00:21:27,872
Speaker 4: the show. Yeah, you know, he's got a great you know,

470
00:21:28,032 --> 00:21:32,071
Speaker 4: puth of experience, but really, like this is what like

471
00:21:32,272 --> 00:21:36,152
Speaker 4: two Stanley Cup finals. You you fucking blew up the

472
00:21:36,232 --> 00:21:40,992
Speaker 4: team this year and you made horrible decisions with the McLeod's,

473
00:21:41,032 --> 00:21:45,152
Speaker 4: the Fogels, you know, you you trade, you trade Skinner

474
00:21:45,272 --> 00:21:48,152
Speaker 4: for Jari and now you have that contract to deal

475
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Speaker 4: with and then he doesn't even play in Connor Ingram

476
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Speaker 4: and he's shit talking the team and they're shit talking

477
00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:56,272
Speaker 4: him and you have all this nonsense and you're not

478
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Speaker 4: and really, really seriously, seriously.

479
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Speaker 1: Stan Bowman tell me lines of Stan Bowman have he's

480
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Speaker 1: just got to yance again.

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Speaker 4: Come the fuck on stand please, God no, it feels

482
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Speaker 4: like I'm the Michael Scott.

483
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Speaker 3: No, no, it's like Toby. Toby just walked into the room.

484
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm on.

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Speaker 4: Guys, like, we're gonna do it again. We're gonna do

486
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Speaker 4: it again in Edmonton. We're going through that. It's fucking

487
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Speaker 4: we're on the merry go round.

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Speaker 1: But it would be it'd be great for unscripted because

489
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Speaker 1: Talacas said, listen, where the place that we get coaches hired?

490
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Speaker 2: Were not only hired in TV?

491
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Speaker 1: Bruce cashion him here, then he's on TV the CLI

492
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Speaker 1: I love Vegas though, saying like yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,

493
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Speaker 1: no no, we fired him.

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Speaker 2: You can't have him?

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Speaker 3: How how is Vegas the daddy?

496
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Speaker 4: And they've been around such a you know, they've been

497
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Speaker 4: around less time than Edmonton as a franchise, and they're

498
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Speaker 4: just like, no, I'm your papa.

499
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Speaker 3: You can't I'm your papa.

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Speaker 2: You can wait a year if you really want, Bruce

501
00:22:51,952 --> 00:22:52,352
Speaker 2: cats you.

502
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Speaker 3: That you're gonna have to wait one year still to

503
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Speaker 3: come here.

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Speaker 1: An NHL Unscripted a returning guest Chris Pronger poning his

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Speaker 1: new book earned the True Cost of Greatness, one of

506
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Speaker 1: Hockey's fiercest competitors proms because us his thoughts, not his

507
00:23:04,672 --> 00:23:05,912
Speaker 1: career writing the book.

508
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Speaker 2: But also this year's inchell plaffs.

509
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, what you got breaking news right now? Oh,

510
00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:16,472
Speaker 4: Craig Berube out out coaching change at the Maple Leafs. Wow,

511
00:23:16,832 --> 00:23:23,072
Speaker 4: could see Bruce Cassidy, Craig John Chika coming in, slitting throats,

512
00:23:24,432 --> 00:23:25,792
Speaker 4: cold and calculated.

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Speaker 1: Well you knew it was gonna be tough for Chief

514
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Speaker 1: to remain as the coach considering.

515
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Speaker 3: Oh man, oh yeah, I mean it was. But yeah,

516
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Speaker 3: once they have.

517
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Speaker 2: The press comes, we gotta just talk to Chief for

518
00:23:34,512 --> 00:23:35,952
Speaker 2: the same. Now, who San Page?

519
00:23:35,992 --> 00:23:38,712
Speaker 4: Can we finally find out who punched him?

520
00:23:39,072 --> 00:23:39,352
Speaker 2: Yeah?

521
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Speaker 1: Well no it was it was in the worker when

522
00:23:40,832 --> 00:23:43,032
Speaker 1: we said the weight felons, he gave the whole elaborate action.

523
00:23:43,192 --> 00:23:45,872
Speaker 1: But kidd, he come out and be like, actually it

524
00:23:45,992 --> 00:23:48,432
Speaker 1: was fucking Willy neelf, No it wasn't.

525
00:23:48,472 --> 00:23:53,272
Speaker 2: Will He just drilled me. We argued, we drilled.

526
00:23:52,992 --> 00:23:56,272
Speaker 4: Meba had two more years left on his deal, so

527
00:23:56,312 --> 00:23:57,792
Speaker 4: they're paying him four point five a.

528
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Speaker 2: Year, incredible nine million bucks just don't do anything. I think.

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Speaker 4: I think Brubay gets fired if I'm Edmonton higher Chief

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Speaker 4: Chief nice, I love it.

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Speaker 2: Che right, he gets right in there. I like it.

532
00:24:10,152 --> 00:24:12,392
Speaker 2: He's a pluck and play kind of coach. All right.

533
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Speaker 2: Proms coming up next. Thanks to the breaking news.

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Speaker 1: On Chief, our next guest draft is second overall by

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Speaker 1: the Hartford Whalers the nineteen ninety three NHL's draft. He

536
00:24:32,152 --> 00:24:34,952
Speaker 1: scored six hundred and ninety eight points in one hundred

537
00:24:34,952 --> 00:24:38,032
Speaker 1: and sixty seven career games the Whalers, Blues, Oilers, Ducks

538
00:24:38,312 --> 00:24:40,472
Speaker 1: and Flyers. He led the Oilers and Flyers to stand

539
00:24:40,512 --> 00:24:42,992
Speaker 1: like a final all with Anaheim in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 2: His new book has earned the True.

541
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Speaker 1: Cost of Greatness from one of hockey's fiercest competitors. I

542
00:24:48,352 --> 00:24:50,712
Speaker 1: pre ordered the book, read it in two days. It's

543
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Speaker 1: fantastic and it's a bestseller. My man, your friend, Chris Pronger,

544
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Speaker 1: what's up, Prongs?

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Speaker 7: What's going on? Thanks for having me.

546
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Speaker 1: Of course, buddy. Good to see again. The media tour

547
00:25:00,752 --> 00:25:03,871
Speaker 1: has been unbelievable. We had Matt carl on last week

548
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Speaker 1: and I said to mate, exactly, I said, Curl, I

549
00:25:06,912 --> 00:25:10,072
Speaker 1: listened to you and Prongs form Defense Partners in Philadelphia.

550
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Speaker 2: What was that like? As all this in Prongs is great.

551
00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:12,792
Speaker 2: He was a great teammate.

552
00:25:12,832 --> 00:25:13,472
Speaker 3: We got along well.

553
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Speaker 1: But I gotta be honest with you, he said, I'm

554
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Speaker 1: not on social media, but I am on LinkedIn, and

555
00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:19,472
Speaker 1: I see Progs is pretty busy. He's put himself out

556
00:25:19,472 --> 00:25:22,032
Speaker 1: there right now. Absolutely, he's got to book different out

557
00:25:22,072 --> 00:25:24,312
Speaker 1: here about it. But he said the world's a better

558
00:25:24,352 --> 00:25:26,632
Speaker 1: place and hockey's a better place when Chris Pronger is involved.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to just as you know, I read

560
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Speaker 1: the book. There's a couple of excerpts that I found

561
00:25:31,392 --> 00:25:33,952
Speaker 1: particularly notable, and I think, you know, it's interesting when

562
00:25:33,952 --> 00:25:35,992
Speaker 1: you write a book, as you know, because different people

563
00:25:36,112 --> 00:25:38,631
Speaker 1: kind of get attracted to different aspects of it. So

564
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Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting and JD can speak to

565
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Speaker 1: this as a former athlete. Guys, the toll that you

566
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Speaker 1: put yourselves through. This was page ninety one. That night

567
00:25:45,792 --> 00:25:48,072
Speaker 1: at dinner, my elbow swelled so badly I couldn't bend

568
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Speaker 1: it to cut my steak. The waiter must have thought

569
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Speaker 1: I was drunk watching me try to eat left handed, dropping.

570
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Speaker 2: Food like a toddler.

571
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Speaker 3: Maybe we should go.

572
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Speaker 1: Home, Lauren suggested gently, I'm fine. I said again, that's

573
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Speaker 1: your wife, Lauren.

574
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Speaker 2: But I wasn't fine. None of us were.

575
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Speaker 1: You don't play through what we've played through it and

576
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Speaker 1: just bounce back. The adrenaline has kept us upright for

577
00:26:03,552 --> 00:26:06,392
Speaker 1: two months was gone, and our bodies were presenting the bill.

578
00:26:06,592 --> 00:26:09,432
Speaker 1: I thought about my teammates scattered across the continent, probably

579
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Speaker 1: dealing with their own collapses. We'd asked our bodies to

580
00:26:11,952 --> 00:26:14,192
Speaker 1: do the impossible, and for one hundred and six games

581
00:26:14,272 --> 00:26:17,312
Speaker 1: they'd answered. But bodies keep score, even in your mind

582
00:26:17,352 --> 00:26:21,272
Speaker 1: tries to forget. First off, terrific writing. Secondly, that kid,

583
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a vivid description of what you go through,

584
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Speaker 1: all the injuries, all the toll.

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Speaker 2: People don't realize that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think every year when when when a

587
00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:35,272
Speaker 6: team either gets knocked out or they ultimately win that

588
00:26:35,472 --> 00:26:40,232
Speaker 6: cherished Stanley Cup, you you do see the mass unit

589
00:26:40,312 --> 00:26:43,472
Speaker 6: come out, and you know, we hear what Owen tippets

590
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Speaker 6: going through about all these guys like you hear you

591
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Speaker 6: hear what these guys are willing.

592
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Speaker 7: To play through, and you know you're playing for the guy.

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Speaker 6: Next year, you're playing for the The logo on the

594
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Speaker 6: front and and uh, you know you're playing for the fans,

595
00:26:55,272 --> 00:26:57,712
Speaker 6: you're playing for that opportunity to try to win the

596
00:26:57,712 --> 00:27:01,432
Speaker 6: Stanley Cup and it guys are willing to put themselves

597
00:27:01,472 --> 00:27:03,712
Speaker 6: through an awful lot to try to win that and

598
00:27:03,712 --> 00:27:05,792
Speaker 6: and they know the guy next to them on either

599
00:27:05,832 --> 00:27:07,992
Speaker 6: side and across the room would be doing the same

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00:27:08,032 --> 00:27:08,352
Speaker 6: as well.

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00:27:09,312 --> 00:27:10,832
Speaker 3: Yeah, the bill comes due.

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00:27:10,872 --> 00:27:12,792
Speaker 4: That's that's a great line that you put there too,

603
00:27:12,912 --> 00:27:16,352
Speaker 4: just because even now retired, you know, you can remember

604
00:27:16,752 --> 00:27:19,592
Speaker 4: I'll be doing a workout and you're just like, oh,

605
00:27:19,632 --> 00:27:20,232
Speaker 4: I feel great.

606
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:21,032
Speaker 3: Today's a good day.

607
00:27:21,072 --> 00:27:22,592
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, there

608
00:27:22,592 --> 00:27:24,392
Speaker 4: goes my shoulder and you're like, I know exactly the

609
00:27:24,432 --> 00:27:27,872
Speaker 4: game and the moment that that happened, or like my knee,

610
00:27:27,872 --> 00:27:29,592
Speaker 4: and you like it takes you back into a moment

611
00:27:29,632 --> 00:27:32,552
Speaker 4: in time. But some great stuff in that book prongs.

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00:27:32,552 --> 00:27:34,832
Speaker 4: And you know you've been doing the media tour now

613
00:27:34,992 --> 00:27:38,792
Speaker 4: you're promoting with rich Eyesen Edelman all over the place,

614
00:27:38,912 --> 00:27:41,992
Speaker 4: like how has the media junket been? Because I know,

615
00:27:42,272 --> 00:27:44,352
Speaker 4: you know, my wife's acting and stuff like that, and

616
00:27:44,392 --> 00:27:47,032
Speaker 4: that could be that can take it toll mentally as

617
00:27:47,072 --> 00:27:49,792
Speaker 4: well and physically. Because you're up early. It's different times

618
00:27:49,832 --> 00:27:52,591
Speaker 4: you might be flying around. Like, what's been some of

619
00:27:52,592 --> 00:27:54,512
Speaker 4: the highlights and the low lights for you so far

620
00:27:54,592 --> 00:27:57,512
Speaker 4: through this media junket tour.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's been a lot of work, been a

622
00:28:01,512 --> 00:28:04,112
Speaker 6: lot of flying. Ad Nan and I have talked a

623
00:28:04,112 --> 00:28:07,472
Speaker 6: couple times where maybe the battery is getting a little

624
00:28:07,472 --> 00:28:11,311
Speaker 6: bit low. But it was a lot of fun, you know,

625
00:28:11,432 --> 00:28:14,272
Speaker 6: going around and you know, talking about the book, talking

626
00:28:14,272 --> 00:28:17,712
Speaker 6: about kind of my story and and.

627
00:28:17,152 --> 00:28:19,112
Speaker 8: The ups and downs and everything in between.

628
00:28:19,152 --> 00:28:22,872
Speaker 6: But uh, the reception, as you guys both both have said,

629
00:28:22,952 --> 00:28:26,952
Speaker 6: has been excellent and very appreciative and understanding.

630
00:28:27,352 --> 00:28:27,992
Speaker 8: I get a lot of.

631
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Speaker 6: Messages from people just the impact that's having on them,

632
00:28:31,392 --> 00:28:32,592
Speaker 6: which was kind of.

633
00:28:32,112 --> 00:28:35,072
Speaker 7: The purpose of the book. I don't need to talk

634
00:28:35,112 --> 00:28:36,352
Speaker 7: about myself that much.

635
00:28:36,912 --> 00:28:39,872
Speaker 6: But you know, when you're you know, to your point

636
00:28:39,912 --> 00:28:41,512
Speaker 6: in the beginning, when you put yourself out there and

637
00:28:41,552 --> 00:28:44,992
Speaker 6: you're trying to show people that you know, we're fallible

638
00:28:44,992 --> 00:28:48,472
Speaker 6: to and you know, there's a lot that goes into

639
00:28:49,952 --> 00:28:53,192
Speaker 6: you know, and an NHL career, an athletic career and

640
00:28:53,872 --> 00:28:56,592
Speaker 6: life in general, and you try to put somebody in

641
00:28:56,632 --> 00:28:59,792
Speaker 6: your shoes and and and hopefully they get a sense

642
00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:03,472
Speaker 6: and and a feel for their own lives and and

643
00:29:03,512 --> 00:29:06,072
Speaker 6: hopefully they can take something from it and utilize it

644
00:29:06,072 --> 00:29:08,552
Speaker 6: in their lives and level up and and be difference

645
00:29:08,552 --> 00:29:13,352
Speaker 6: makers and hopefully live a much stronger, healthier life.

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00:29:14,032 --> 00:29:14,272
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Part of what's been so much fun to work with

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Speaker 1: you is people ask me what's Wrongs like, And I'm like, well,

649
00:29:17,752 --> 00:29:18,472
Speaker 1: he's a great guy.

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00:29:18,632 --> 00:29:20,712
Speaker 3: He's funny, he's a barrel of Alaskatina. That's a lie

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00:29:20,752 --> 00:29:21,112
Speaker 3: you said.

652
00:29:21,112 --> 00:29:24,192
Speaker 1: He is a dead he doesn't take any shit, he

653
00:29:24,232 --> 00:29:27,072
Speaker 1: does not suffer fools gladly. And to page one twenty eight,

654
00:29:27,352 --> 00:29:29,232
Speaker 1: in the end, you're not a victim of the trade tree.

655
00:29:29,232 --> 00:29:31,992
Speaker 1: You're not a passenger. You're the fucking gardener and every

656
00:29:32,072 --> 00:29:34,432
Speaker 1: trade is just another chance to grow. And I think

657
00:29:34,472 --> 00:29:36,432
Speaker 1: that kind of epitomizes you in a lot of ways.

658
00:29:36,432 --> 00:29:38,112
Speaker 1: For a guy who was a Hall of Fame defenseman,

659
00:29:38,392 --> 00:29:40,712
Speaker 1: you were not on one team for eighteen seasons like you.

660
00:29:40,712 --> 00:29:42,552
Speaker 1: You bounce around, you with different places, had to fit

661
00:29:42,592 --> 00:29:44,792
Speaker 1: in all right. Like you know that, I think to

662
00:29:44,832 --> 00:29:48,072
Speaker 1: me is inspiring saying that line specifically, you're the fucking gardener.

663
00:29:48,192 --> 00:29:49,272
Speaker 1: Every trade's a chance to grow.

664
00:29:49,312 --> 00:29:51,832
Speaker 6: You use it when you make of it, right, Yeah,

665
00:29:51,912 --> 00:29:53,552
Speaker 6: I look at you know, I think it took me

666
00:29:53,592 --> 00:29:57,152
Speaker 6: a while to learn and figure that out. But uh,

667
00:29:57,352 --> 00:29:59,552
Speaker 6: we all go through a lot of you know, trials

668
00:29:59,592 --> 00:30:00,392
Speaker 6: and tribulations.

669
00:30:00,392 --> 00:30:05,152
Speaker 8: But when you when you think about like that statement,

670
00:30:05,272 --> 00:30:05,712
Speaker 8: you think.

671
00:30:05,552 --> 00:30:09,232
Speaker 6: About, Okay, you're you're gonna get moved at some point,

672
00:30:09,272 --> 00:30:12,072
Speaker 6: You're you're gonna have to Adversity is a gift.

673
00:30:12,272 --> 00:30:14,672
Speaker 7: You have to utilize it. You've got to utilize it

674
00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:15,072
Speaker 7: to grow.

675
00:30:15,712 --> 00:30:18,712
Speaker 6: Learn from our mistakes and you know, sometimes learn from

676
00:30:18,712 --> 00:30:21,272
Speaker 6: our successes as well. What worked Now we need to

677
00:30:21,672 --> 00:30:24,352
Speaker 6: implement more of that into our games or our lives

678
00:30:24,392 --> 00:30:26,872
Speaker 6: or what have you. And uh, there's there's a there's

679
00:30:26,912 --> 00:30:29,512
Speaker 6: a lot of things that we can do better in life.

680
00:30:29,792 --> 00:30:32,712
Speaker 7: But I think we have to understand where our feet are.

681
00:30:32,632 --> 00:30:35,272
Speaker 6: Currently planted and and kind of live live in the

682
00:30:35,312 --> 00:30:38,192
Speaker 6: moment and knowing you know, I talk to my kids

683
00:30:38,192 --> 00:30:39,952
Speaker 6: all the time. We don't play the what if game

684
00:30:39,992 --> 00:30:42,112
Speaker 6: in the Pronger household. Well, what if I did this,

685
00:30:42,192 --> 00:30:44,632
Speaker 6: and what if I did That's not how the world works.

686
00:30:45,632 --> 00:30:47,912
Speaker 8: The world is round. I'm sorry, and I'm going to

687
00:30:47,952 --> 00:30:50,312
Speaker 8: tell you right now the world is not flat.

688
00:30:51,112 --> 00:30:52,192
Speaker 2: Are you flatter.

689
00:30:53,472 --> 00:30:54,752
Speaker 7: Another Earth is not flat?

690
00:30:55,072 --> 00:31:05,232
Speaker 2: Are you flat Earth? Are you? You know?

691
00:31:05,512 --> 00:31:08,872
Speaker 4: Throughout this you know media blitz, and it is a blitz.

692
00:31:08,912 --> 00:31:10,792
Speaker 4: You answer a lot of the same question and you

693
00:31:10,832 --> 00:31:12,752
Speaker 4: share a lot of the story because people, you know,

694
00:31:12,792 --> 00:31:15,072
Speaker 4: it's a lot of repetition. But for you kind of

695
00:31:15,392 --> 00:31:19,472
Speaker 4: what's been the story, either from the book or through

696
00:31:19,552 --> 00:31:22,352
Speaker 4: this process, that's kind of gotten the biggest response from people,

697
00:31:22,352 --> 00:31:25,632
Speaker 4: and you've had to to really kind of continually reiterate it,

698
00:31:25,712 --> 00:31:26,832
Speaker 4: talk about it and things like that.

699
00:31:26,872 --> 00:31:32,792
Speaker 1: I'll answer for him, Edmonton. That's how you bury the lead.

700
00:31:32,872 --> 00:31:35,672
Speaker 1: That's how you answer asks a proper question at and

701
00:31:35,712 --> 00:31:37,392
Speaker 1: don't speak for thirty five minutes.

702
00:31:37,472 --> 00:31:39,112
Speaker 8: I thought you were in the media and then.

703
00:31:41,992 --> 00:31:43,552
Speaker 2: Question yeah, yeah that.

704
00:31:43,752 --> 00:31:46,752
Speaker 6: I mean that obviously got a lot of attention, Thank you, Kevin,

705
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,112
Speaker 6: But uh, you know, that wasn't the genesis of the book.

706
00:31:50,152 --> 00:31:53,312
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people, you know, when I

707
00:31:53,352 --> 00:31:55,432
Speaker 6: talk about it, my speech is a lot when you

708
00:31:55,512 --> 00:31:59,352
Speaker 6: have success, everybody sees the trophies and the rings and

709
00:31:59,392 --> 00:32:02,392
Speaker 6: the you know, all that that goes with it, and

710
00:32:02,432 --> 00:32:05,312
Speaker 6: they always forget about the journey and the heartache and

711
00:32:05,312 --> 00:32:07,872
Speaker 6: the difficult moments, the adversity. As we just talked about.

712
00:32:08,512 --> 00:32:11,632
Speaker 6: And I think people you know, learning about my story.

713
00:32:11,632 --> 00:32:13,552
Speaker 6: I didn't play triple A hockey. I played high school

714
00:32:13,552 --> 00:32:17,152
Speaker 6: hockey in Canada, which not the.

715
00:32:16,512 --> 00:32:18,232
Speaker 7: Not the easiest.

716
00:32:17,792 --> 00:32:21,432
Speaker 6: Of routes for most and you know, and then obviously

717
00:32:21,512 --> 00:32:24,872
Speaker 6: people forget about all the booing and on home ice, yes,

718
00:32:25,232 --> 00:32:29,432
Speaker 6: my home fans were booing me quite religiously. And I

719
00:32:29,432 --> 00:32:31,912
Speaker 6: think people forget about all that as you you know,

720
00:32:32,392 --> 00:32:35,272
Speaker 6: move on through your career and and have some success

721
00:32:35,392 --> 00:32:38,952
Speaker 6: and you know, maybe turn those fans into uh, you know,

722
00:32:39,432 --> 00:32:43,392
Speaker 6: people that really enjoy your play and become super fans.

723
00:32:44,032 --> 00:32:49,152
Speaker 6: And there's a lot of moments like that that I

724
00:32:49,192 --> 00:32:51,392
Speaker 6: wanted to put into the book, not a lot of

725
00:32:52,232 --> 00:32:53,672
Speaker 6: you know, and then we scored a goal and we

726
00:32:53,712 --> 00:32:55,952
Speaker 6: won and all that type of stuff. It's more moments

727
00:32:55,992 --> 00:32:59,792
Speaker 6: that people can identify with, people can learn from, uh,

728
00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:02,392
Speaker 6: you know, more of a fifty thousand foot view as

729
00:33:02,472 --> 00:33:04,032
Speaker 6: opposed to day to day.

730
00:33:03,912 --> 00:33:05,672
Speaker 7: Here's what we did type of thing.

731
00:33:05,712 --> 00:33:07,872
Speaker 6: If we if we started doing that, it'd be, uh,

732
00:33:07,912 --> 00:33:09,272
Speaker 6: the book would be quite a bit longer.

733
00:33:09,272 --> 00:33:10,872
Speaker 8: And I know Ad and N doesn't like to read book.

734
00:33:11,752 --> 00:33:13,272
Speaker 3: Thank there are a lot of pictures of the book,

735
00:33:13,352 --> 00:33:13,872
Speaker 3: just to be clear.

736
00:33:15,112 --> 00:33:17,032
Speaker 4: I want to I want to touch on something you

737
00:33:17,072 --> 00:33:19,472
Speaker 4: just mentioned about, you know, getting booed on home ice,

738
00:33:19,552 --> 00:33:24,712
Speaker 4: and and you know people tend to think as as fans. Hey,

739
00:33:25,072 --> 00:33:27,992
Speaker 4: you know, you're making all this money and you shouldn't

740
00:33:27,992 --> 00:33:29,952
Speaker 4: matter what the fans say or do, and you should

741
00:33:29,992 --> 00:33:31,912
Speaker 4: be fine. You should kind of stay in your lane

742
00:33:31,912 --> 00:33:34,192
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But kind of the mental toll

743
00:33:34,272 --> 00:33:36,912
Speaker 4: that that that takes in the internal conversation you have

744
00:33:36,952 --> 00:33:39,152
Speaker 4: to have with yourself when that's going on. You know,

745
00:33:39,192 --> 00:33:41,592
Speaker 4: when your fans, your home fans kind of your safe

746
00:33:41,632 --> 00:33:43,792
Speaker 4: space because you know that as an athlete, when you

747
00:33:43,832 --> 00:33:46,912
Speaker 4: go home and plant home ice, it's typically that safe

748
00:33:46,912 --> 00:33:49,152
Speaker 4: spot for you. Like I was a Homer when I played,

749
00:33:49,192 --> 00:33:50,992
Speaker 4: it was like, oh my god, I love playing at home.

750
00:33:51,032 --> 00:33:53,552
Speaker 4: But it turns in because I was like on the road.

751
00:33:53,712 --> 00:33:56,192
Speaker 4: It just I just enjoyed it so much more as

752
00:33:56,232 --> 00:33:57,872
Speaker 4: do a lot of guys. But like for you, like

753
00:33:59,032 --> 00:34:01,992
Speaker 4: it's almost became like a place that you want to

754
00:34:02,032 --> 00:34:04,712
Speaker 4: get away from. So like, how is that mentally to

755
00:34:04,712 --> 00:34:07,032
Speaker 4: to fight that battle of being on home ice and

756
00:34:08,112 --> 00:34:10,952
Speaker 4: being seen as the villain from your fans' eyes.

757
00:34:11,951 --> 00:34:16,832
Speaker 6: Yeah, it it hardened me to say the least, you know,

758
00:34:16,872 --> 00:34:20,591
Speaker 6: I think those first three years were incredibly difficult, but

759
00:34:20,672 --> 00:34:23,272
Speaker 6: allowed me to grow up, allowed me to form the

760
00:34:23,312 --> 00:34:25,671
Speaker 6: grit and resilience that I was gonna need later on

761
00:34:25,712 --> 00:34:27,792
Speaker 6: in my career when I was dealing with major injury,

762
00:34:27,832 --> 00:34:30,592
Speaker 6: when I was trying to, you know, help my various

763
00:34:30,591 --> 00:34:33,471
Speaker 6: teams get get the Stanley Cup and hopefully win, and

764
00:34:34,232 --> 00:34:34,832
Speaker 6: was able.

765
00:34:34,631 --> 00:34:35,472
Speaker 7: To do it one time.

766
00:34:36,071 --> 00:34:39,951
Speaker 6: And you know, I think it's just that the struggle

767
00:34:39,991 --> 00:34:42,711
Speaker 6: and to your point, that internal dialogue you have with

768
00:34:42,752 --> 00:34:45,832
Speaker 6: yourself and the victimhood mentality that you have that it's

769
00:34:45,872 --> 00:34:49,272
Speaker 6: their fault. It's uh, you know, your teammate's fault, the

770
00:34:49,272 --> 00:34:52,271
Speaker 6: coach's fault, it's the owner's fault, it's everybody else's fault

771
00:34:52,312 --> 00:34:55,832
Speaker 6: but your own. And ultimately, once you know, I was

772
00:34:55,872 --> 00:34:58,271
Speaker 6: able to turn the page on that and and kind

773
00:34:58,272 --> 00:35:01,591
Speaker 6: of take ownership and accountability for my play, for you know,

774
00:35:01,672 --> 00:35:03,911
Speaker 6: my decisions, you know, not coming into camp.

775
00:35:03,712 --> 00:35:05,832
Speaker 8: In great shape and all the rest of that stuff.

776
00:35:06,872 --> 00:35:08,872
Speaker 6: You know, once I was able to kind of, you know,

777
00:35:09,152 --> 00:35:11,191
Speaker 6: understand what it was going to take to be a

778
00:35:11,232 --> 00:35:14,911
Speaker 6: true pro and in form the habits and the discipline

779
00:35:14,951 --> 00:35:19,511
Speaker 6: it was necessary, then you know, I started to really understand,

780
00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:23,392
Speaker 6: and you start realizing when you're going through those moments

781
00:35:23,392 --> 00:35:26,192
Speaker 6: you're young and you're like, this is this is bullshit.

782
00:35:26,272 --> 00:35:28,831
Speaker 6: I can't believe this is going on. And then as

783
00:35:28,872 --> 00:35:30,911
Speaker 6: you age a little bit and you understand the league

784
00:35:30,951 --> 00:35:33,711
Speaker 6: a little bit more, you're like, oh, the GM's job

785
00:35:33,792 --> 00:35:35,631
Speaker 6: is on the line, the head coach's job is on

786
00:35:35,672 --> 00:35:38,231
Speaker 6: the line. Your teammates jobs are on the line. You're

787
00:35:38,312 --> 00:35:40,152
Speaker 6: the new guy coming in, You've got to this contract.

788
00:35:40,192 --> 00:35:43,151
Speaker 6: You don't really care, but you don't realize that how

789
00:35:43,192 --> 00:35:44,832
Speaker 6: you play affects everybody else.

790
00:35:45,471 --> 00:35:47,832
Speaker 7: And I think I really took that to heart, you know,

791
00:35:47,991 --> 00:35:48,431
Speaker 7: as I.

792
00:35:48,392 --> 00:35:51,671
Speaker 6: Started mature a little bit and started to understand the

793
00:35:51,752 --> 00:35:56,071
Speaker 6: expectations and you know that vicious word potentially start living

794
00:35:56,152 --> 00:35:59,312
Speaker 6: up to that. You start looking at your career a

795
00:35:59,352 --> 00:36:02,511
Speaker 6: little bit differently and understanding that you know every year

796
00:36:02,551 --> 00:36:04,272
Speaker 6: you've it could be your last year and you have

797
00:36:04,511 --> 00:36:08,392
Speaker 6: to utilize that opportunity to the best of its ability.

798
00:36:09,272 --> 00:36:10,631
Speaker 2: Last one on the book, and then we'll turn to

799
00:36:10,672 --> 00:36:11,551
Speaker 2: this year's playoffs.

800
00:36:11,591 --> 00:36:13,231
Speaker 1: This to me was the most poignant part of the book,

801
00:36:13,272 --> 00:36:15,431
Speaker 1: Page one thirty eight, which brings us back to the

802
00:36:15,431 --> 00:36:17,991
Speaker 1: big decision to quit My kids have been the catalysts,

803
00:36:18,031 --> 00:36:21,352
Speaker 1: not through confrontation, but through observation. When your adult children

804
00:36:21,392 --> 00:36:23,872
Speaker 1: start being embarrassed at family gatherings or other events because

805
00:36:23,872 --> 00:36:25,431
Speaker 1: they don't want to see you in party mode again,

806
00:36:25,591 --> 00:36:27,631
Speaker 1: When they stop bringing friends around because they're not sure

807
00:36:27,631 --> 00:36:30,951
Speaker 1: which version of dad they'll get, when their disappointments become palpable,

808
00:36:31,111 --> 00:36:33,272
Speaker 1: that's your wake up call, or it should be. So

809
00:36:33,392 --> 00:36:36,511
Speaker 1: for me, it was non negotial daily behaviors or girls

810
00:36:36,551 --> 00:36:39,352
Speaker 1: is how I felt none. So I created one zero alcohol,

811
00:36:39,511 --> 00:36:42,591
Speaker 1: not drink responsibly, not only on weekends, not just wine

812
00:36:42,591 --> 00:36:43,032
Speaker 1: with dinner.

813
00:36:43,312 --> 00:36:43,592
Speaker 3: Zero.

814
00:36:43,951 --> 00:36:46,751
Speaker 1: Because here's what thirty years of standards taught me, gray

815
00:36:46,792 --> 00:36:49,471
Speaker 1: areas of where standards go to die. Just one becomes

816
00:36:49,511 --> 00:36:52,471
Speaker 1: just tonight, becomes just this week, becomes just like always.

817
00:36:52,591 --> 00:36:54,352
Speaker 1: What's the reaction been to that prox I'm sure that's

818
00:36:54,352 --> 00:36:54,991
Speaker 1: pretty powerful.

819
00:36:56,031 --> 00:36:58,191
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been. Uh, you know, I think there's been

820
00:36:58,232 --> 00:36:58,392
Speaker 7: a lot.

821
00:36:58,431 --> 00:37:00,191
Speaker 6: I've had a lot of people reach out and you know,

822
00:37:00,312 --> 00:37:03,832
Speaker 6: kind of tell me their story, you know, whether you

823
00:37:03,872 --> 00:37:06,471
Speaker 6: know they've don't with addiction in some form or fashion.

824
00:37:08,672 --> 00:37:11,071
Speaker 6: You know, I think if you're going to write a

825
00:37:11,071 --> 00:37:12,551
Speaker 6: book like this, you're going to put it all out

826
00:37:12,591 --> 00:37:13,991
Speaker 6: to you might as well put all of it out there,

827
00:37:14,792 --> 00:37:17,031
Speaker 6: you know, and as you have come to find out,

828
00:37:17,071 --> 00:37:18,791
Speaker 6: and that I really don't care what people think.

829
00:37:20,431 --> 00:37:22,151
Speaker 8: I think that's the beauty of this whole thing.

830
00:37:23,471 --> 00:37:23,671
Speaker 7: You know.

831
00:37:23,832 --> 00:37:27,951
Speaker 6: I've got my opinions, and you know they are you know,

832
00:37:28,192 --> 00:37:28,951
Speaker 6: they're movable.

833
00:37:29,752 --> 00:37:30,591
Speaker 8: I tend to.

834
00:37:30,631 --> 00:37:32,591
Speaker 6: Listen more so now than I did maybe when I

835
00:37:32,631 --> 00:37:34,872
Speaker 6: was younger, and my opinions do change.

836
00:37:34,911 --> 00:37:36,111
Speaker 7: But uh, I think.

837
00:37:37,471 --> 00:37:39,271
Speaker 6: As I started writing a book and you know, we're

838
00:37:39,312 --> 00:37:41,272
Speaker 6: starting to get towards the end of my career then.

839
00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:42,352
Speaker 7: You know, life after and.

840
00:37:42,631 --> 00:37:44,271
Speaker 6: On and on and on, and you're like, okay, well

841
00:37:44,792 --> 00:37:48,392
Speaker 6: how do you where's the jump off point to the book?

842
00:37:48,471 --> 00:37:50,312
Speaker 6: And you know, I think that needed to be in

843
00:37:50,312 --> 00:37:52,111
Speaker 6: there because I think people need to see that you're real,

844
00:37:52,192 --> 00:37:54,831
Speaker 6: and you know, they see the mistakes you made maybe

845
00:37:54,832 --> 00:37:57,711
Speaker 6: when you were playing, and you know, then people, you know,

846
00:37:57,752 --> 00:38:00,551
Speaker 6: you're not on TV anymore, You're not you know, in

847
00:38:00,591 --> 00:38:03,232
Speaker 6: front of twenty thousand people plus millions on TV, and

848
00:38:03,872 --> 00:38:05,111
Speaker 6: you know, people forget about you.

849
00:38:05,152 --> 00:38:07,271
Speaker 7: They forget kind of where you are, what you're doing.

850
00:38:07,272 --> 00:38:09,511
Speaker 8: We always see the where are they now? Episodes?

851
00:38:10,192 --> 00:38:12,752
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I think people always wonder, you know,

852
00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:15,392
Speaker 6: what happened and where is so and so, and and

853
00:38:15,431 --> 00:38:17,471
Speaker 6: on and on and on, And I think they want

854
00:38:17,511 --> 00:38:19,951
Speaker 6: to see where that journey has taken them.

855
00:38:20,312 --> 00:38:23,111
Speaker 8: They want to see what either somebody is up to,

856
00:38:23,192 --> 00:38:24,151
Speaker 8: what they've been dealing with.

857
00:38:24,232 --> 00:38:28,392
Speaker 6: We always hear these stories about athletes and their struggles

858
00:38:28,392 --> 00:38:30,471
Speaker 6: and whatnot, and you know, you want to be able

859
00:38:30,551 --> 00:38:33,712
Speaker 6: to make it look real and so that people understand

860
00:38:33,792 --> 00:38:37,471
Speaker 6: that athletes are real just like them, and you know,

861
00:38:37,511 --> 00:38:39,151
Speaker 6: as you walk them through the book, I think that

862
00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:40,832
Speaker 6: puts them firmly in that place.

863
00:38:41,511 --> 00:38:42,872
Speaker 1: J D has said before that you could be a

864
00:38:42,951 --> 00:38:45,031
Speaker 1: GM in this league, and you mentioned publicly you did

865
00:38:45,071 --> 00:38:46,951
Speaker 1: not interview for the Maple Leafs GM job that was

866
00:38:46,991 --> 00:38:49,632
Speaker 1: recently filled. I wish Amazon Prime had an off season

867
00:38:49,712 --> 00:38:51,632
Speaker 1: show for us so I could have got your reaction

868
00:38:51,712 --> 00:38:51,911
Speaker 1: to that.

869
00:38:51,951 --> 00:38:56,031
Speaker 3: Press conference, the Great Press Conference. Here's my thought for

870
00:38:56,192 --> 00:38:56,632
Speaker 3: that one.

871
00:38:56,712 --> 00:38:58,231
Speaker 8: That one was an all timer.

872
00:38:58,631 --> 00:39:01,431
Speaker 1: Like AI generated, You've been around Steve Simmons, You've been

873
00:39:01,431 --> 00:39:03,911
Speaker 1: around guys will ask tough questions, you know, to that

874
00:39:03,991 --> 00:39:08,431
Speaker 1: show ever with Philly. But my thing is this, I

875
00:39:08,511 --> 00:39:10,671
Speaker 1: just I'm shocked that Pelly didn't engage a little bit.

876
00:39:10,911 --> 00:39:12,551
Speaker 1: I'll be clear, because I asked all you freeman about this.

877
00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:14,231
Speaker 1: He goes, if you've been around corporate culture, and you've

878
00:39:14,272 --> 00:39:16,071
Speaker 1: been around a lot of corporate people, prongs, he goes,

879
00:39:16,232 --> 00:39:18,671
Speaker 1: the key is don't engage. So when Steve starts going

880
00:39:18,672 --> 00:39:20,432
Speaker 1: in that path, Pelly's like, no, I'm not gonna engage.

881
00:39:20,431 --> 00:39:23,512
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, thanks, let me know see it like definite, Well.

882
00:39:23,352 --> 00:39:29,111
Speaker 6: I guess we talked to different people, by the way.

883
00:39:29,352 --> 00:39:31,472
Speaker 6: By the way, think about that and then think about

884
00:39:31,471 --> 00:39:34,631
Speaker 6: that response. Actually, I mean it's pr one on one.

885
00:39:35,312 --> 00:39:38,031
Speaker 6: So it's like like when I used to scream and

886
00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:41,751
Speaker 6: yell at the referees, and the good ones.

887
00:39:41,511 --> 00:39:44,712
Speaker 8: Would be like, Prongs, I missed it. What is my response?

888
00:39:45,111 --> 00:39:45,351
Speaker 2: Yeah?

889
00:39:45,511 --> 00:39:48,832
Speaker 8: I can't. Okay, yeah, I mean.

890
00:39:48,712 --> 00:39:51,911
Speaker 6: It just diffuses everything as opposed to the other referee.

891
00:39:51,951 --> 00:39:54,392
Speaker 8: It screams and yell you you're an idiot. There's no

892
00:39:54,431 --> 00:39:57,032
Speaker 8: way I miss it. You know, it's just night and days.

893
00:39:57,031 --> 00:39:58,872
Speaker 7: So I mean, you think about it.

894
00:39:58,872 --> 00:40:02,352
Speaker 8: It's actually really just turns the page really quickly.

895
00:40:03,031 --> 00:40:05,111
Speaker 1: But the least fan base was on inspired by that.

896
00:40:05,152 --> 00:40:07,071
Speaker 1: They wanted Pelly to fire back, like Steve, you know

897
00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:08,991
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. This is why Chake is so great,

898
00:40:09,031 --> 00:40:11,232
Speaker 1: et cetera. As just said, it was just so surreal

899
00:40:11,272 --> 00:40:11,511
Speaker 1: to me.

900
00:40:11,832 --> 00:40:12,712
Speaker 2: Chake is being.

901
00:40:12,551 --> 00:40:15,192
Speaker 1: Insulted by Steve Simms, He's sitting right there, and the

902
00:40:15,312 --> 00:40:17,512
Speaker 1: questions for Keith the soa bizarre.

903
00:40:18,872 --> 00:40:23,031
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh interesting take nonetheless, But you know what I

904
00:40:23,071 --> 00:40:25,031
Speaker 6: think I'll put it.

905
00:40:25,071 --> 00:40:26,671
Speaker 8: I'll put it on the other side of it.

906
00:40:27,832 --> 00:40:29,952
Speaker 6: If if I'm still a player, If I'm a player

907
00:40:29,991 --> 00:40:31,792
Speaker 6: and I have to deal with all this stuff and

908
00:40:31,792 --> 00:40:35,431
Speaker 6: all the criticism and all the hatred and vitriol at different.

909
00:40:35,111 --> 00:40:37,031
Speaker 8: Times, why do they not have.

910
00:40:36,951 --> 00:40:39,752
Speaker 6: To Oh yeah, why do we have to always like

911
00:40:39,951 --> 00:40:42,911
Speaker 6: schmooze over what they've done and their accomplishments and all

912
00:40:42,951 --> 00:40:46,151
Speaker 6: this stuff. So, you know, I think there was some

913
00:40:46,872 --> 00:40:50,911
Speaker 6: I think maybe it wasn't positioned correctly and and may

914
00:40:50,951 --> 00:40:56,111
Speaker 6: have been a little too like in your face. I

915
00:40:56,152 --> 00:40:59,272
Speaker 6: think I think the the overall tenor of the question

916
00:40:59,551 --> 00:41:04,392
Speaker 6: was was probably accurate, but maybe the presentation wasn't great.

917
00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:06,312
Speaker 7: But I don't I.

918
00:41:06,272 --> 00:41:07,831
Speaker 6: Think the question need to be asked, but I don't

919
00:41:07,832 --> 00:41:09,471
Speaker 6: think they're going to get an answer anyways.

920
00:41:10,111 --> 00:41:13,952
Speaker 4: I don't believe in I don't believe in round numbers either.

921
00:41:13,991 --> 00:41:16,752
Speaker 4: When somebody says a fact, and that they spoke to

922
00:41:16,832 --> 00:41:20,951
Speaker 4: twenty people. I never believe in round numbers. I'm like,

923
00:41:21,031 --> 00:41:23,272
Speaker 4: you called exactly, you're.

924
00:41:23,111 --> 00:41:26,191
Speaker 1: Speaking yer fourteen people. I was like seven, you go

925
00:41:26,232 --> 00:41:26,911
Speaker 1: to twenty.

926
00:41:27,392 --> 00:41:29,951
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, just give us, give us, say

927
00:41:30,031 --> 00:41:31,431
Speaker 4: seventeen and eight.

928
00:41:31,511 --> 00:41:32,271
Speaker 3: You know, just give me.

929
00:41:32,232 --> 00:41:34,031
Speaker 8: That one for nineteen. It's pretty good though.

930
00:41:34,272 --> 00:41:36,712
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not bad. I want to know who the

931
00:41:36,752 --> 00:41:39,312
Speaker 3: one was. I gotta we gotta know who that is

932
00:41:40,312 --> 00:41:40,711
Speaker 3: talk about.

933
00:41:40,752 --> 00:41:43,471
Speaker 4: I mean speaking of people that need to kind of

934
00:41:43,872 --> 00:41:46,671
Speaker 4: I don't want to say, you know, answer some tough questions.

935
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:49,711
Speaker 4: But in Edmonton right now, you're seeing all the talk

936
00:41:49,752 --> 00:41:52,031
Speaker 4: about nod Block and the Bruce Cassidy thing. We just

937
00:41:52,991 --> 00:41:55,471
Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on that? And Edmonton haven't been

938
00:41:55,511 --> 00:41:59,271
Speaker 4: there that storied franchise. Where are they going right now?

939
00:41:59,312 --> 00:42:02,151
Speaker 4: And what what the hell needs to happen there in

940
00:42:02,152 --> 00:42:04,991
Speaker 4: the offseason for this team to kind of be so successful.

941
00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:07,911
Speaker 6: Well, I think with this now coming out, I think

942
00:42:07,911 --> 00:42:10,831
Speaker 6: you pretty much have to fire the guy that.

943
00:42:10,752 --> 00:42:13,431
Speaker 8: Would That would be point number one.

944
00:42:14,272 --> 00:42:14,431
Speaker 2: You know.

945
00:42:14,631 --> 00:42:17,031
Speaker 6: Point number two is he's got a fresh new three

946
00:42:17,071 --> 00:42:21,951
Speaker 6: year contract that he gets an earn out on. You know,

947
00:42:22,031 --> 00:42:24,832
Speaker 6: I don't know how quickly he might get a job.

948
00:42:26,352 --> 00:42:27,951
Speaker 6: You know that that remains to be seen.

949
00:42:28,471 --> 00:42:33,392
Speaker 9: But uh, you know it every I don't know every

950
00:42:33,431 --> 00:42:37,631
Speaker 9: year they until they actually win, you know, and get

951
00:42:37,752 --> 00:42:40,071
Speaker 9: Connor McDavid and Leon dry side on these guys over

952
00:42:40,071 --> 00:42:40,791
Speaker 9: the finish line.

953
00:42:42,631 --> 00:42:44,191
Speaker 7: It'll be interesting to see.

954
00:42:44,192 --> 00:42:47,071
Speaker 6: And then you add in it was that accurate? Evan

955
00:42:47,071 --> 00:42:48,712
Speaker 6: Bouchard had a concussion in the playoffs?

956
00:42:48,792 --> 00:42:50,352
Speaker 8: Is that legit?

957
00:42:50,752 --> 00:42:51,272
Speaker 3: Apparently?

958
00:42:51,591 --> 00:42:53,191
Speaker 8: Some of the stuff I see on Twitter, I don't

959
00:42:53,192 --> 00:42:53,791
Speaker 8: know if it's true.

960
00:42:53,832 --> 00:42:55,152
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's all over the place.

961
00:42:55,232 --> 00:42:56,352
Speaker 7: Yeah, I try not to.

962
00:42:56,551 --> 00:42:58,632
Speaker 6: I try not to engage in some of that stuff,

963
00:42:58,672 --> 00:43:01,071
Speaker 6: but you know, you look at all these different things,

964
00:43:01,071 --> 00:43:03,272
Speaker 6: and now you know they're obviously on the clock with McDavid.

965
00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,671
Speaker 8: You know, people are like, oh, but him and Leon

966
00:43:06,752 --> 00:43:07,712
Speaker 8: are building the home together.

967
00:43:08,232 --> 00:43:10,552
Speaker 7: I don't think that really matters. He can still live.

968
00:43:10,431 --> 00:43:13,192
Speaker 8: There later or he can sell it.

969
00:43:13,232 --> 00:43:13,832
Speaker 3: He'll sell it.

970
00:43:14,631 --> 00:43:17,632
Speaker 8: I mean, whoever pays him coming off this two year.

971
00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:19,632
Speaker 6: Deal is going to be paying him a lot of money,

972
00:43:19,872 --> 00:43:23,031
Speaker 6: so it you know, I think they have to and

973
00:43:23,071 --> 00:43:25,151
Speaker 6: I would agree with their assessment.

974
00:43:25,232 --> 00:43:27,911
Speaker 8: I think they did regress, but I think when you

975
00:43:27,951 --> 00:43:29,032
Speaker 8: look at what they.

976
00:43:28,951 --> 00:43:33,752
Speaker 6: Tried to do in going younger and maybe a little quicker,

977
00:43:33,792 --> 00:43:36,352
Speaker 6: and you know, losing Brown and losing Perry and losing

978
00:43:36,352 --> 00:43:37,032
Speaker 6: some of these guys.

979
00:43:38,232 --> 00:43:41,111
Speaker 8: You know, you bring in Howard, you bring in some boy,

980
00:43:41,192 --> 00:43:42,552
Speaker 8: you're bringing it. You know, you've got.

981
00:43:44,031 --> 00:43:47,551
Speaker 6: This youth injection, but they's still a learning curve and

982
00:43:47,591 --> 00:43:49,271
Speaker 6: they're not going to be where those other guys were

983
00:43:49,392 --> 00:43:52,951
Speaker 6: maybe out of the jump. But you know, you saw

984
00:43:53,111 --> 00:43:55,551
Speaker 6: throughout the court. You know, Jack Rauzovik was a pretty good,

985
00:43:55,712 --> 00:43:58,911
Speaker 6: you know, low budget signing, you know, at the start

986
00:43:58,951 --> 00:44:00,991
Speaker 6: of the year. So you brought in some guys that

987
00:44:01,352 --> 00:44:02,352
Speaker 6: could help a little bit.

988
00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:05,111
Speaker 7: But again, the learning curve, the development.

989
00:44:05,591 --> 00:44:07,551
Speaker 6: When you're bringing in young guys, they're not going to

990
00:44:07,591 --> 00:44:10,471
Speaker 6: be as seasoned as you know, Corey Perry at forty

991
00:44:10,551 --> 00:44:15,591
Speaker 6: years old last year was their their heartbeat, I believe

992
00:44:15,631 --> 00:44:18,032
Speaker 6: it or not. Like he was the guy that stirred

993
00:44:18,071 --> 00:44:24,392
Speaker 6: the drink, that understood the gamesmanship and understood the ups

994
00:44:24,431 --> 00:44:27,111
Speaker 6: and downs of energy and when to go create a

995
00:44:27,192 --> 00:44:29,071
Speaker 6: fight and stir it up and do all these things.

996
00:44:29,111 --> 00:44:31,591
Speaker 6: And at forty years old, if that's the guy you're

997
00:44:31,631 --> 00:44:34,631
Speaker 6: relying on to kind of get your team going, you know,

998
00:44:34,712 --> 00:44:36,551
Speaker 6: we need to check things a little bit and I

999
00:44:36,631 --> 00:44:40,511
Speaker 6: think they were trying to maybe readjust that part of

1000
00:44:40,591 --> 00:44:44,511
Speaker 6: it and bring in some youthful enthusiasm. And you know,

1001
00:44:44,591 --> 00:44:47,151
Speaker 6: I think they struggled early on partly because of that.

1002
00:44:47,232 --> 00:44:50,071
Speaker 6: I think partly they're tired, you know, back to back

1003
00:44:50,152 --> 00:44:51,552
Speaker 6: Stanley Cup finals and losing.

1004
00:44:52,352 --> 00:44:53,271
Speaker 7: You know, that's the part.

1005
00:44:53,312 --> 00:44:56,551
Speaker 6: I don't think people realize the mentality of losing back

1006
00:44:56,591 --> 00:44:59,711
Speaker 6: to back finals and what that Number One, you're beat up,

1007
00:44:59,752 --> 00:45:03,071
Speaker 6: as we just talked about the laundry list, injuries, the

1008
00:45:03,272 --> 00:45:06,872
Speaker 6: mindset and how hired you are from just the energy

1009
00:45:06,991 --> 00:45:09,232
Speaker 6: drain of getting that far and pushing yourself to the

1010
00:45:09,312 --> 00:45:13,112
Speaker 6: limit and then coming away with nothing is very defeating

1011
00:45:13,511 --> 00:45:16,352
Speaker 6: and and sometimes you know, I think we saw you know,

1012
00:45:16,431 --> 00:45:17,752
Speaker 6: they kind of mailed it in the first six to

1013
00:45:17,792 --> 00:45:20,312
Speaker 6: eight weeks of just you know, our skill will kind

1014
00:45:20,312 --> 00:45:22,911
Speaker 6: of keep us around and then we'll kind of turn

1015
00:45:22,951 --> 00:45:24,232
Speaker 6: it on and see what happens.

1016
00:45:24,792 --> 00:45:26,752
Speaker 4: What stood out for you in these playoffs, you know,

1017
00:45:26,872 --> 00:45:29,471
Speaker 4: is there a player or a team that's just kind

1018
00:45:29,471 --> 00:45:32,431
Speaker 4: of blowing your socks off or you know, we talked

1019
00:45:32,471 --> 00:45:34,352
Speaker 4: about the teams that kind of disappointed a little bit,

1020
00:45:34,392 --> 00:45:36,272
Speaker 4: But what's kind of set out the most of you

1021
00:45:36,392 --> 00:45:41,552
Speaker 4: from these playoffs and a team specifically, well, I think.

1022
00:45:41,672 --> 00:45:44,151
Speaker 7: You know, you'd be remiss if you didn't bring up Carolina.

1023
00:45:44,312 --> 00:45:47,911
Speaker 6: I know they didn't play the top teams yet, but still,

1024
00:45:48,152 --> 00:45:52,031
Speaker 6: you know, to dispatch you look at the analytics for

1025
00:45:52,312 --> 00:45:56,111
Speaker 6: Ottawa there. That's the sole reason I thought they might

1026
00:45:56,192 --> 00:45:58,072
Speaker 6: do much better than a four games sweep.

1027
00:45:58,431 --> 00:45:59,911
Speaker 7: I know the games are close.

1028
00:45:59,712 --> 00:46:02,392
Speaker 6: Again, you know, I think Carolina now kind they kind

1029
00:46:02,431 --> 00:46:04,752
Speaker 6: of seem to have the template of understanding how to

1030
00:46:04,832 --> 00:46:07,872
Speaker 6: win these close games. Yeah, you know, their their their

1031
00:46:07,911 --> 00:46:11,191
Speaker 6: pressure system, the way they attack. Uh, you know, they've

1032
00:46:11,192 --> 00:46:14,392
Speaker 6: been getting great goaltending. You know, I think there is

1033
00:46:14,511 --> 00:46:17,632
Speaker 6: a way to beat them, as we saw with Florida

1034
00:46:17,712 --> 00:46:22,312
Speaker 6: last year. I think of the two remaining teams, Buffalo

1035
00:46:22,352 --> 00:46:25,312
Speaker 6: and Montreal, I think Montreal would have the better I

1036
00:46:25,352 --> 00:46:28,392
Speaker 6: think so because I think they're quicker. I know Buffalo

1037
00:46:28,471 --> 00:46:30,791
Speaker 6: is quicker, but I think Montreal plays fast. They play

1038
00:46:30,991 --> 00:46:34,352
Speaker 6: a little bit heavier game. Uh and and they you know,

1039
00:46:34,471 --> 00:46:37,392
Speaker 6: the kind of meet in the middle and and they

1040
00:46:37,712 --> 00:46:41,872
Speaker 6: make plays. You know, that's against If you watch the

1041
00:46:42,511 --> 00:46:45,631
Speaker 6: Ottawa and the Philly series, all they did was flip

1042
00:46:45,672 --> 00:46:47,712
Speaker 6: it out, you know, because they couldn't handle the pressure

1043
00:46:48,312 --> 00:46:50,911
Speaker 6: and when you looked at last year in the playoffs

1044
00:46:50,951 --> 00:46:54,631
Speaker 6: when Carolina beat Washington and then they lost to UH

1045
00:46:55,232 --> 00:46:58,271
Speaker 6: to Florida, Washington just kept flipping it out, flipping it out,

1046
00:46:58,272 --> 00:46:58,872
Speaker 6: flipping it out.

1047
00:46:58,911 --> 00:46:59,752
Speaker 7: And then once.

1048
00:46:59,631 --> 00:47:04,832
Speaker 6: Florida could make plays and then start pressuring Carolina, you

1049
00:47:04,951 --> 00:47:06,871
Speaker 6: started to see them welt a little bit, and they didn't.

1050
00:47:07,031 --> 00:47:09,672
Speaker 6: They didn't handle it as as well as maybe some expected.

1051
00:47:10,232 --> 00:47:13,832
Speaker 6: And so there's you know, that'll be an interesting segue

1052
00:47:14,031 --> 00:47:16,392
Speaker 6: to you know, Buffalo Montreal. I think both those teams

1053
00:47:16,431 --> 00:47:19,711
Speaker 6: have I'm not a big fan of some of those

1054
00:47:19,712 --> 00:47:22,711
Speaker 6: penalties I saw last night. It looked a little weak

1055
00:47:22,792 --> 00:47:25,551
Speaker 6: to me, but that seems to be part of the

1056
00:47:25,631 --> 00:47:27,832
Speaker 6: course and this this play off anyways.

1057
00:47:28,272 --> 00:47:30,232
Speaker 3: What's that? What's that? What are you taking from this?

1058
00:47:30,631 --> 00:47:33,071
Speaker 3: We're seeing a lot of this in the playoffs right now.

1059
00:47:33,511 --> 00:47:34,312
Speaker 3: The head snap back.

1060
00:47:34,352 --> 00:47:36,031
Speaker 4: I know, guys are taking it in the face and

1061
00:47:36,352 --> 00:47:39,551
Speaker 4: you are getting I feel like it's and maybe more

1062
00:47:39,631 --> 00:47:43,191
Speaker 4: so defending wise. I know when you played you played very,

1063
00:47:43,712 --> 00:47:46,631
Speaker 4: very tough, and and you had great work with your

1064
00:47:46,672 --> 00:47:49,431
Speaker 4: stick in terms of finding the meat. We talked about

1065
00:47:49,431 --> 00:47:51,511
Speaker 4: that last time we had John. You've always found the meat.

1066
00:47:52,192 --> 00:47:53,352
Speaker 4: Beat you beat the ship.

1067
00:47:53,192 --> 00:47:56,272
Speaker 8: Out of that, maybe a little bone, find a little.

1068
00:47:56,071 --> 00:47:59,832
Speaker 4: Bone, but you see a lot of aaron sticks, and like,

1069
00:47:59,951 --> 00:48:02,792
Speaker 4: I feel like the teaching of controlling your stick is

1070
00:48:02,911 --> 00:48:05,151
Speaker 4: kind of falling a little bit the wayside with a

1071
00:48:05,192 --> 00:48:07,111
Speaker 4: lot of the young defenders and stuff like that. But

1072
00:48:08,192 --> 00:48:10,911
Speaker 4: it's it's a fine line of where you're going and

1073
00:48:11,471 --> 00:48:14,071
Speaker 4: when you kind of get over that chest plate, you're

1074
00:48:14,232 --> 00:48:16,271
Speaker 4: just asking for a stick in the face. I don't

1075
00:48:16,312 --> 00:48:19,431
Speaker 4: know if that's something that's not being taught, or I

1076
00:48:19,471 --> 00:48:21,271
Speaker 4: don't know what you're seeing from that, or or it's

1077
00:48:21,352 --> 00:48:24,231
Speaker 4: just raffing's a little bit too soft right now.

1078
00:48:25,071 --> 00:48:27,072
Speaker 6: I think it is being taught at the lower levels.

1079
00:48:27,111 --> 00:48:29,712
Speaker 6: I think these kids are being taught how to drop penalties,

1080
00:48:30,272 --> 00:48:33,352
Speaker 6: you know, because it's you know. And I think the

1081
00:48:33,431 --> 00:48:36,511
Speaker 6: other the other side of that equation is when we

1082
00:48:36,672 --> 00:48:40,231
Speaker 6: look at Okay, I knock your stick out of your hands,

1083
00:48:40,352 --> 00:48:41,232
Speaker 6: I'm getting a penalty.

1084
00:48:42,511 --> 00:48:43,911
Speaker 7: Why are you not holding your stick?

1085
00:48:45,111 --> 00:48:47,272
Speaker 8: I should not be able to knock your stick out

1086
00:48:47,312 --> 00:48:49,671
Speaker 8: of your hands, but I get a penalty when I

1087
00:48:49,951 --> 00:48:51,191
Speaker 8: when I knock it out of your hands?

1088
00:48:51,192 --> 00:48:53,631
Speaker 7: Are you kidding me? What does this league come to?

1089
00:48:54,471 --> 00:48:59,511
Speaker 6: Seriously, like that used to be gamesmanship off, a face off,

1090
00:48:59,672 --> 00:49:03,312
Speaker 6: whack hold your stick like I'm sorry.

1091
00:49:03,431 --> 00:49:06,071
Speaker 8: I just look at some of the penalties, Like a

1092
00:49:06,152 --> 00:49:06,951
Speaker 8: guy gets.

1093
00:49:06,792 --> 00:49:10,192
Speaker 6: His stick in underneath the guy's stick and loops it

1094
00:49:10,272 --> 00:49:11,952
Speaker 6: over the top of the guy's blade, and that's hooking.

1095
00:49:12,951 --> 00:49:15,991
Speaker 8: He's nowhere near his hands, he's nowhere near he's on

1096
00:49:16,232 --> 00:49:19,431
Speaker 8: his stick, and that's a hooking pedal. Like, well, what

1097
00:49:19,591 --> 00:49:22,392
Speaker 8: is this leek coming to, Like, I'm sorry, Like.

1098
00:49:24,312 --> 00:49:27,431
Speaker 6: You can't fight through a guy hooking your stick, like

1099
00:49:27,511 --> 00:49:30,031
Speaker 6: we're gonna call that, and it just you know, there's there's,

1100
00:49:30,672 --> 00:49:32,832
Speaker 6: you know, to your point about I think partly the

1101
00:49:33,152 --> 00:49:38,192
Speaker 6: the the head flip is partly I think taught, and

1102
00:49:38,312 --> 00:49:41,792
Speaker 6: I think the other part is the players nowadays are

1103
00:49:41,872 --> 00:49:46,191
Speaker 6: not taught how to handle their sticks properly, you know again,

1104
00:49:46,232 --> 00:49:49,312
Speaker 6: and it goes back to manage your stick properly. Don't

1105
00:49:49,352 --> 00:49:51,311
Speaker 6: let somebody knock your stick out of your hands. Hold

1106
00:49:51,352 --> 00:49:54,951
Speaker 6: your stick appropriately, and hold it like it like it

1107
00:49:54,991 --> 00:49:57,951
Speaker 6: should be held, you know, firmly. They hold it like

1108
00:49:58,071 --> 00:50:02,951
Speaker 6: this with two fingers everywhere they go, and of course

1109
00:50:02,951 --> 00:50:04,712
Speaker 6: I'm going to knock it out of your hands. So

1110
00:50:04,991 --> 00:50:07,192
Speaker 6: and I think the whole you know, lifting of the

1111
00:50:07,272 --> 00:50:10,192
Speaker 6: stick you know they're coming in aggressively to lift a

1112
00:50:10,272 --> 00:50:13,271
Speaker 6: stick and then take the puck, but they're not really

1113
00:50:13,631 --> 00:50:16,911
Speaker 6: I think, aware of or understanding as to you know,

1114
00:50:17,471 --> 00:50:21,791
Speaker 6: what's around when they're lifting. And then you know we're

1115
00:50:21,832 --> 00:50:24,111
Speaker 6: seeing more players do I mean, listen, if you're coming

1116
00:50:24,192 --> 00:50:26,071
Speaker 6: near my eye, I've been hitting the eye. You're coming

1117
00:50:26,071 --> 00:50:28,231
Speaker 6: near my e I'm gonna move my head. I mean,

1118
00:50:28,272 --> 00:50:30,511
Speaker 6: it's just a natural reaction. When a stick's coming near

1119
00:50:30,551 --> 00:50:31,511
Speaker 6: your face, you're gonna move.

1120
00:50:32,272 --> 00:50:33,911
Speaker 7: And people are like, oh, but he didn't hit him.

1121
00:50:33,911 --> 00:50:35,392
Speaker 7: I go, yeah, it didn't hit him because he moved.

1122
00:50:35,792 --> 00:50:38,352
Speaker 8: Like you know, anytime a stick comes near it.

1123
00:50:38,471 --> 00:50:41,031
Speaker 6: Now, if it goes by me and then I go, oh,

1124
00:50:42,352 --> 00:50:45,392
Speaker 6: then you know, maybe that might be a little egregious.

1125
00:50:45,431 --> 00:50:46,992
Speaker 8: But anything that's.

1126
00:50:46,872 --> 00:50:48,911
Speaker 6: Coming near my face, I will be flipping my head

1127
00:50:49,232 --> 00:50:50,512
Speaker 6: because it's a natural reaction.

1128
00:50:51,911 --> 00:50:53,312
Speaker 2: Last question, we'll get ready to prongs.

1129
00:50:53,312 --> 00:50:55,352
Speaker 1: A lot of talk this postseason about Queen Hughes brock

1130
00:50:55,392 --> 00:50:58,072
Speaker 1: Favor both averaging around thirty minutes per game in these playoffs,

1131
00:50:58,111 --> 00:51:01,031
Speaker 1: but you and al mckinness both average over thirty five

1132
00:51:01,232 --> 00:51:03,671
Speaker 1: per minute per game. Excuse me, for Saint Louis, you're

1133
00:51:03,672 --> 00:51:06,551
Speaker 1: in the nineteen nine nine playoffs. How was that having

1134
00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:08,431
Speaker 1: that kind of work like thirty five a game with

1135
00:51:08,511 --> 00:51:08,832
Speaker 1: big al?

1136
00:51:09,272 --> 00:51:11,471
Speaker 7: Oh, uh, well I could.

1137
00:51:11,591 --> 00:51:13,032
Speaker 8: I could tell you it was a little bit different

1138
00:51:13,071 --> 00:51:13,591
Speaker 8: than those two.

1139
00:51:15,631 --> 00:51:16,671
Speaker 2: I was very uh.

1140
00:51:19,672 --> 00:51:22,751
Speaker 6: Focused on defense, So I would you know, when you're

1141
00:51:22,752 --> 00:51:23,591
Speaker 6: playing that many minutes.

1142
00:51:23,631 --> 00:51:25,431
Speaker 8: Again, I wasn't as good as skater as Quinn Hughes.

1143
00:51:25,511 --> 00:51:28,431
Speaker 6: So when you're playing those and a little bit bigger body,

1144
00:51:28,911 --> 00:51:32,591
Speaker 6: playing a little different style, you know, you're you're you

1145
00:51:32,752 --> 00:51:35,031
Speaker 6: have to give something up. And so for me, it

1146
00:51:35,152 --> 00:51:38,632
Speaker 6: was I wasn't jumping into play. I wasn't wasting energy

1147
00:51:38,792 --> 00:51:41,511
Speaker 6: trying to you know, be you know, second.

1148
00:51:41,312 --> 00:51:41,992
Speaker 7: Or third layer.

1149
00:51:42,591 --> 00:51:44,792
Speaker 6: You know, I was getting up to the blue line,

1150
00:51:44,951 --> 00:51:47,151
Speaker 6: you know that type of stuff. But I wasn't going in.

1151
00:51:47,631 --> 00:51:48,791
Speaker 6: I wasn't joining the rush.

1152
00:51:48,872 --> 00:51:49,792
Speaker 8: I wasn't you know.

1153
00:51:49,991 --> 00:51:53,112
Speaker 6: So you're you're trying to be as efficient as possible

1154
00:51:53,152 --> 00:51:56,592
Speaker 6: and you're trying to you know, conserve as much energy

1155
00:51:56,591 --> 00:51:59,951
Speaker 6: as possible, you know, watching you know, Quinn Hughes the

1156
00:51:59,991 --> 00:52:02,431
Speaker 6: other night, I think he played thirty four minutes.

1157
00:52:02,192 --> 00:52:04,312
Speaker 3: Maybe, and uh, it's crazy.

1158
00:52:04,911 --> 00:52:06,311
Speaker 8: You know, he's all over the ice.

1159
00:52:06,352 --> 00:52:09,031
Speaker 6: He's willing, you know, now again he's not hitting anybody.

1160
00:52:09,152 --> 00:52:11,712
Speaker 6: So you're not taking you're not draining yourself in that respect,

1161
00:52:12,272 --> 00:52:14,032
Speaker 6: but you still got to defend.

1162
00:52:14,152 --> 00:52:15,352
Speaker 8: You still got to have a good stick.

1163
00:52:15,431 --> 00:52:17,191
Speaker 6: You still have to engage a little bit to get

1164
00:52:17,192 --> 00:52:20,471
Speaker 6: pucks back and things of that nature. But to play

1165
00:52:20,672 --> 00:52:24,591
Speaker 6: thirty four minutes up the ice, you know, edge work,

1166
00:52:24,631 --> 00:52:27,712
Speaker 6: all the stuff we see with him in the offensive zone,

1167
00:52:28,071 --> 00:52:29,392
Speaker 6: it's pretty impressive.

1168
00:52:30,431 --> 00:52:32,031
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Chris Parker, what's again?

1169
00:52:32,031 --> 00:52:33,471
Speaker 1: It makes you just check out the book It is

1170
00:52:33,551 --> 00:52:35,511
Speaker 1: called Earn The True Cost of Greatness for one of

1171
00:52:35,591 --> 00:52:38,751
Speaker 1: hockey's fiercest competitors, and of course by teammate Amazon Prime.

1172
00:52:38,991 --> 00:52:40,471
Speaker 1: Our top three moments of the year, by the way,

1173
00:52:40,471 --> 00:52:42,551
Speaker 1: in terms of three stars, Number three was hot Dogs

1174
00:52:42,631 --> 00:52:45,791
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. There was previous hot Dogs in Denver. Number

1175
00:52:45,832 --> 00:52:49,151
Speaker 1: two was the Milkshakes in Buffalo. And number one was

1176
00:52:49,232 --> 00:52:51,352
Speaker 1: Craig Muni thinking I was Chris Jelly it is in Buffalo.

1177
00:52:52,551 --> 00:53:00,511
Speaker 8: But what about Trew Scott. Trew Scott honorable mention, honorable mention, Yes,

1178
00:53:00,672 --> 00:53:01,311
Speaker 8: honorable mention.

1179
00:53:01,471 --> 00:53:03,352
Speaker 1: Trew Scott was the guy quite faant we had to

1180
00:53:03,431 --> 00:53:06,192
Speaker 1: take in order to get Mike and Boublay is thrilled

1181
00:53:06,232 --> 00:53:06,911
Speaker 1: to see Prongs.

1182
00:53:06,991 --> 00:53:07,591
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up.

1183
00:53:07,752 --> 00:53:11,072
Speaker 1: I'm a big hug Scott fucking the guy for property

1184
00:53:11,431 --> 00:53:13,991
Speaker 1: whatever it's called property ardeners. I don't even know, has

1185
00:53:14,071 --> 00:53:16,832
Speaker 1: no idea who Prongs is? Who's this guy, Drew Scott?

1186
00:53:17,272 --> 00:53:19,471
Speaker 1: What's your name again, Chris, Chris, nice to meet you.

1187
00:53:19,951 --> 00:53:21,871
Speaker 3: You're you're a hockey or you have no idea who.

1188
00:53:21,832 --> 00:53:22,511
Speaker 2: Chris Pronger is.

1189
00:53:25,312 --> 00:53:26,511
Speaker 8: Thank you for coming on our show.

1190
00:53:31,911 --> 00:53:33,471
Speaker 3: Great stuff, buddy, congrats in the book.

1191
00:53:33,591 --> 00:53:37,752
Speaker 7: All right, thank you, m.

1192
00:53:43,712 --> 00:53:44,952
Speaker 3: Thanks once again to Chris Pronger.

1193
00:53:45,031 --> 00:53:46,791
Speaker 1: Time for a little cinephal and sixty listen a little

1194
00:53:46,792 --> 00:53:50,352
Speaker 1: Broadway musical just for JD's better half. I know Gillian's listening.

1195
00:53:50,631 --> 00:53:52,751
Speaker 1: Went took my wife Aman to go see Just in Time,

1196
00:53:52,832 --> 00:53:55,671
Speaker 1: the Bobby Darren Musical right now, Circle in the Square Theater.

1197
00:53:55,712 --> 00:53:57,551
Speaker 2: It's a great theater. Every seat's a good seat.

1198
00:53:57,832 --> 00:54:00,112
Speaker 1: Don't know a ton about Bobby Darren died at thirty seven,

1199
00:54:00,392 --> 00:54:02,472
Speaker 1: married to Sandrew Day. But of course some great songs

1200
00:54:02,551 --> 00:54:04,991
Speaker 1: beyond the season, absolute banger, Who's Turning Off?

1201
00:54:05,031 --> 00:54:05,672
Speaker 2: Splitch Splash?

1202
00:54:05,712 --> 00:54:07,551
Speaker 1: Even though it was kind of a jingoistic hit, he

1203
00:54:07,631 --> 00:54:11,071
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy about it himself, you know, obviously, Mack to

1204
00:54:11,071 --> 00:54:12,791
Speaker 1: and knife is a great song and dream lover who's

1205
00:54:12,792 --> 00:54:13,272
Speaker 1: turning that off?

1206
00:54:13,352 --> 00:54:14,831
Speaker 3: So great stage show.

1207
00:54:15,312 --> 00:54:16,752
Speaker 1: It would be what Jillian would call, I think a

1208
00:54:16,872 --> 00:54:19,272
Speaker 1: jukebox musical because it's telling the life and times of

1209
00:54:19,352 --> 00:54:21,511
Speaker 1: Bobby Darren, but doing so of the music of his life.

1210
00:54:21,511 --> 00:54:22,631
Speaker 2: But I didn't know a ton about him.

1211
00:54:22,752 --> 00:54:26,511
Speaker 1: Again, I'm surprised there's been other musicals about more bigger characters. Remember,

1212
00:54:26,631 --> 00:54:29,431
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey did a film called Beyond the Sea, which

1213
00:54:29,551 --> 00:54:32,392
Speaker 1: was a Bobby Darren biopic, terribly reviewed. I know he

1214
00:54:32,431 --> 00:54:34,832
Speaker 1: got nominated for Golden Globe and the reviews were savage,

1215
00:54:34,991 --> 00:54:36,832
Speaker 1: and the main criticism was that Kevin Spacey at the

1216
00:54:36,832 --> 00:54:39,151
Speaker 1: time was again his forties. Bobby Durren died at thirty seven.

1217
00:54:39,312 --> 00:54:40,911
Speaker 1: Why is Kevin Spacey playing a guy who was like

1218
00:54:40,991 --> 00:54:43,471
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years younger than him. But Spacey himself bit

1219
00:54:43,511 --> 00:54:45,551
Speaker 1: of a crooner, certainly was great music. If you want

1220
00:54:45,591 --> 00:54:47,672
Speaker 1: to go see a great Broadway show, I do recommend

1221
00:54:48,232 --> 00:54:50,751
Speaker 1: Just in Time. Jad your thoughts and Just in Time

1222
00:54:50,832 --> 00:54:53,312
Speaker 1: Broadway musical Bobby Darren. You and Jillian have checked it out?

1223
00:54:53,392 --> 00:54:54,151
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go see it?

1224
00:54:54,152 --> 00:54:54,671
Speaker 2: What are you thinking?

1225
00:54:55,672 --> 00:54:55,792
Speaker 1: Uh?

1226
00:54:56,272 --> 00:54:57,631
Speaker 3: Is that space He's in it? No?

1227
00:54:57,872 --> 00:55:00,191
Speaker 1: Spacey did the movie Beyond the Sea about Bobby Darren.

1228
00:55:00,232 --> 00:55:02,551
Speaker 1: This guy is starring Anthony Anderson. Apparently he's a big

1229
00:55:02,591 --> 00:55:04,312
Speaker 1: Broadway star. Jonathan Groft did the show.

1230
00:55:04,752 --> 00:55:07,071
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I just I.

1231
00:55:07,232 --> 00:55:09,472
Speaker 4: I literally am texting with my wife as we speak,

1232
00:55:09,471 --> 00:55:10,632
Speaker 4: and I see the three bubbles.

1233
00:55:10,631 --> 00:55:12,431
Speaker 3: I said, it's just in time. Good. So I'm waiting

1234
00:55:12,471 --> 00:55:14,111
Speaker 3: to hear I can get something. I can't wait.

1235
00:55:14,951 --> 00:55:16,991
Speaker 4: We're for the fans at home. We're gonna do what

1236
00:55:17,031 --> 00:55:19,671
Speaker 4: we call them the biz feeling time. We're gonna fill

1237
00:55:19,752 --> 00:55:23,191
Speaker 4: little time. As I kind of speak slowly and methodically,

1238
00:55:23,272 --> 00:55:25,312
Speaker 4: and first I know what I'm saying. But first half

1239
00:55:25,471 --> 00:55:27,071
Speaker 4: was a B plus. The second half was to see

1240
00:55:27,071 --> 00:55:28,632
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't need these twenty year conditions.

1241
00:55:28,672 --> 00:55:29,352
Speaker 2: It's a little bloated.

1242
00:55:29,431 --> 00:55:31,111
Speaker 3: But I love the stage. Wok love the directly but

1243
00:55:31,152 --> 00:55:33,671
Speaker 3: they're yeah there, you gotta go see Titanique.

1244
00:55:33,911 --> 00:55:36,071
Speaker 4: Yes that I do want to see the splash my uh,

1245
00:55:36,832 --> 00:55:38,672
Speaker 4: that's the show she did, Big Gay Jambrie.

1246
00:55:38,752 --> 00:55:39,872
Speaker 3: That's the same creators.

1247
00:55:39,911 --> 00:55:42,311
Speaker 2: Okay, so Titanic is it's funny right like it's legit.

1248
00:55:42,471 --> 00:55:44,191
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's supposed to be funny. It's yeah, it's it's

1249
00:55:44,232 --> 00:55:46,511
Speaker 4: she she does a whole accent. Jill auditioned for it.

1250
00:55:46,591 --> 00:55:49,312
Speaker 4: She was the last She's the last one for Rose.

1251
00:55:49,712 --> 00:55:56,631
Speaker 4: Final callback. Oh wow, final fucking callback. If you're like probably, yeah,

1252
00:55:56,872 --> 00:56:00,312
Speaker 4: I got the text from Jillian Muller. Me and Denise

1253
00:56:00,471 --> 00:56:01,711
Speaker 4: actually loved it. That's her mom.

1254
00:56:02,352 --> 00:56:02,551
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1255
00:56:03,672 --> 00:56:08,431
Speaker 4: Alex Timber directed it. They redirected, They redid the theater

1256
00:56:08,551 --> 00:56:09,991
Speaker 4: for it. I like the way they did it with

1257
00:56:10,031 --> 00:56:13,352
Speaker 4: people sitting at tables in the middle like cabaret, and

1258
00:56:13,431 --> 00:56:14,231
Speaker 4: the actors.

1259
00:56:13,951 --> 00:56:15,552
Speaker 3: Would be like in the mixed doing scenes.

1260
00:56:15,951 --> 00:56:16,872
Speaker 2: Yes, and he gave her.

1261
00:56:16,872 --> 00:56:19,512
Speaker 3: Ideas for her Broadway musical she's writing.

1262
00:56:19,591 --> 00:56:23,392
Speaker 1: So that's fantastic, a right, just in time. This is

1263
00:56:23,511 --> 00:56:26,152
Speaker 1: just the half of improvement. Yeah, she's right. The actors

1264
00:56:26,192 --> 00:56:27,752
Speaker 1: pop up at different place in the stage. It was

1265
00:56:27,832 --> 00:56:30,551
Speaker 1: very creatively directed. The very cool all right Captain mack

1266
00:56:30,672 --> 00:56:32,911
Speaker 1: even on a roster featuring veterans like John Tavares and

1267
00:56:32,951 --> 00:56:36,272
Speaker 1: Ryin O'Riley. Team Kanada tabbing nineteen year old Macklin Celebraty

1268
00:56:36,272 --> 00:56:37,352
Speaker 1: to serve as their captain for the.

1269
00:56:37,431 --> 00:56:39,031
Speaker 2: Upcoming World Championships.

1270
00:56:39,071 --> 00:56:41,752
Speaker 1: That could change the late edition of Cidney kras but Celebraty,

1271
00:56:41,951 --> 00:56:44,351
Speaker 1: the youngest player on the team just six days younger

1272
00:56:44,752 --> 00:56:47,752
Speaker 1: than is San Jose Sharks teamate Sam Dickinson Worth mentioning

1273
00:56:48,111 --> 00:56:50,591
Speaker 1: San Jose doesn't have a captain. So how long, Jady Youson,

1274
00:56:50,631 --> 00:56:52,352
Speaker 1: you're you're tied into the Sharks as well as anybody

1275
00:56:52,431 --> 00:56:53,711
Speaker 1: broadcasting working for the team.

1276
00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:55,711
Speaker 2: How long until Maxi gets the sea?

1277
00:56:56,591 --> 00:56:58,951
Speaker 4: I mean, it's already, it's already sewn in his jersey.

1278
00:57:00,471 --> 00:57:04,792
Speaker 4: It's it's it's this year. One thousand percent. They'll probably it.

1279
00:57:05,551 --> 00:57:08,071
Speaker 4: Probably they might announce it at the draft. They might

1280
00:57:08,111 --> 00:57:12,192
Speaker 4: announce it post draft and free agency, but they'll probably

1281
00:57:12,232 --> 00:57:14,191
Speaker 4: make a deal out of it, just because I think

1282
00:57:14,232 --> 00:57:18,512
Speaker 4: it'll be a big deal. You know, loadur be passing

1283
00:57:18,592 --> 00:57:22,352
Speaker 4: the baton. But yeah, it's it's his team for now

1284
00:57:22,472 --> 00:57:26,231
Speaker 4: and until he retires. And it's crazy Sidney Crosby joining

1285
00:57:26,232 --> 00:57:31,152
Speaker 4: world championships, like take a rest, sid fucking guy man crazy?

1286
00:57:31,312 --> 00:57:31,752
Speaker 2: What makes me?

1287
00:57:31,832 --> 00:57:33,512
Speaker 1: Thought it's more of a reason he will be at

1288
00:57:33,552 --> 00:57:35,191
Speaker 1: the next Olympics before I'm like, I'm not sure he's

1289
00:57:35,192 --> 00:57:37,112
Speaker 1: thirty eight, like, no, forty two, he's going to be there.

1290
00:57:37,312 --> 00:57:39,752
Speaker 4: We we taught me and Jameis and Coyle talked about that.

1291
00:57:39,872 --> 00:57:42,151
Speaker 4: We said we thought We're like, we think he does

1292
00:57:42,232 --> 00:57:44,271
Speaker 4: the last that's his last hurrah and he's done.

1293
00:57:44,552 --> 00:57:45,912
Speaker 3: Is that season if he makes it?

1294
00:57:46,312 --> 00:57:47,432
Speaker 2: All right Hardware report.

1295
00:57:47,472 --> 00:57:49,592
Speaker 1: All the finals have been named, so let the debates begin.

1296
00:57:49,752 --> 00:57:53,712
Speaker 1: Couture Off McDavid McKinnon for the Heart, Schaeffer, Demidoff, Seneca

1297
00:57:53,792 --> 00:57:57,191
Speaker 1: for the Calder, Cooper Big Dick, Dan Muse and Lindy

1298
00:57:57,312 --> 00:58:00,752
Speaker 1: Rough for the Jack Adams, Sorokan Swamon, Vasilevsky for the Vesna,

1299
00:58:01,232 --> 00:58:03,912
Speaker 1: Garn McFarlane and Verbeek.

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Speaker 2: For the GM Gotta be garon.

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Speaker 1: No group generate more fiery takes than the Norris, cal mccarr, Rasmus, Dolleen,

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Speaker 1: zach Warensky, but not Evan. Bouchard led all defenseman ninety

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Speaker 1: five points, fourteen more than second rank Wrensky twenty one goals,

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Speaker 1: seventy four sists and a plus twenty five better than

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Speaker 1: Dahalien and Wrensky.

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Speaker 2: Some talk to me about no Quinn Hughes, But your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on Bouchard not being a Norse Trophy finalist.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little shitty, you know. I don't

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Speaker 4: know what the hell these guys are voting for. It's

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Speaker 4: like the Doleen thing. I think it's amazing story. I

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Speaker 4: would probably have Dollian. I would have dropped maccart this year.

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Speaker 4: I don't think McCart deserved to be on the list.

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Speaker 3: I think he do.

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Speaker 4: I think mccarr is the best defenseman in the NHL

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Speaker 4: one thousand percent. But do I think he was the

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Speaker 4: Norris Trophy winner this season? No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he should have been in the nominations.

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Speaker 4: I think he's top five, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 4: in the three if you want to give Dolleen because

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Speaker 4: you know b X in the Sportsnet guys gave him

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Speaker 4: his flowers and didn't even give the correct information. And

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Speaker 4: I love those guys when they're talking about his penalty killing.

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Speaker 4: I think it's Warenski's to win. I think he deserves it.

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Speaker 4: I thought what he did this season was pretty incredible

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Speaker 4: and remarkable for you know, the team and the surrounding

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Speaker 4: cast of characters he had with him. But to not

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Speaker 4: give Bouchard the nominations, it's a little shitty. Well, it's

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Speaker 4: like what points matter until Bouchard does it, because everybody

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Speaker 4: whinds and moans that. You know, he makes bad turnovers

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Speaker 4: and I mean, the guy had fucking was playing the

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Speaker 4: most penalty kill minutes he's ever played in his career.

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Speaker 4: He was playing I think, the most minutes of his career.

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Speaker 4: He most points without him, his team's in the cellar,

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Speaker 4: they have no other defenseman. They can drive offense, you know,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, then you're gonna give it

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Speaker 4: to Eric Carlson the area at one hundred points when

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Speaker 4: he was like minus thirty, and he was a forward

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Speaker 4: like come on, like you're just like you're it's so

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Speaker 4: egregiously obvious that the people voting just don't like Evan

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Speaker 4: Bouchard and it's such a personal vendetta against him, and

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Speaker 4: I kind.

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Speaker 3: Of tweeted about it and I was just like, it's

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Speaker 3: just kind of shitty, man.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, this fucking guy gets it from all angles

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Speaker 4: all the time, and he just sits down and he

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Speaker 4: you know, you you know, we talked to Prongs about

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Speaker 4: getting booed and by your fan base, and you know,

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Speaker 4: fans just don't appreciate him, I don't think. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: he makes his eye test turnover wise is bad, and

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Speaker 4: his body language at time is bad, but what he

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Speaker 4: did points wise, come the fuck on plus twenty five

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Speaker 4: ninety five points, Like, how does that not warrant a vote?

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Speaker 4: I know it's not a points trophy, but mccarr he

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Speaker 4: had a better year than mccar. It's not a better

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Speaker 4: defenseman than macar, let me clarify that, but he had

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Speaker 4: a better year than Cale mccarr.

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Speaker 2: And it just is what it is.

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Speaker 4: Dolly, and I think what he went through with his

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Speaker 4: wife and leading that team to the playoffs and the

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Speaker 4: season he had, I think warrants a vote as well.

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Speaker 4: And then Wrenski's the winner, but like, come on, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: it's just it's a little shitty. You're just throwing the

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Speaker 4: car because of the bias, and.

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Speaker 2: So you would have put him a head of macr Bouchard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, is.

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Speaker 4: Bouchard dollying if you want and Wrensky and I think

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Speaker 4: the dollying one is could be flipped. I think Warnsky

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Speaker 4: and Bouchard should have been the two solid ones in

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Speaker 4: there interesting to be And that goes to my second

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Speaker 4: point of this year is it's never been more apparent

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Speaker 4: there needs to be two trophies for the for defenseman

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Speaker 4: for awards. We can't go another year without this. It's

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Speaker 4: it's nonsense.

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Speaker 2: You have defense and defensive defenseman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you name the name the offense, keep it the

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Speaker 4: Norris for the defensive defenseman, or we call it all

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Speaker 4: I'd say all around. And then you have your offensive defenseman,

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Speaker 4: the Bobby or just call it the Bobby Orr and

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Speaker 4: the Norris fuck off everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Enough's enough, I reiterate. The stories came down while we

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Speaker 2: were recording.

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Speaker 1: Craig Beruby out now as the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Male Leafs two years left, nine million dollars still on

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Speaker 1: his deal. Who do they hire? Is it Bruce Cassidy,

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Speaker 1: Is it Dean Evison? Or maybe option see somebody a

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Speaker 1: lot cheaper who's an unknown.

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Speaker 4: Probably going to be an unknown. I'm assuming you know,

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Speaker 4: they got a lot of money going out the door

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Speaker 4: with Craig, so I don't think they can sign a.

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Speaker 3: Big guy.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, you always call it this is

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Speaker 4: the This is gonna be the in between coach. This

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Speaker 4: is going to be in between you know, somebody that

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Speaker 4: blows their socks off in an interview, you know, kind

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Speaker 4: of like an Andre TOURINGI in Utah, kind of like

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Speaker 4: who turn ended up really showing out very well for

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Speaker 4: this Utah franchise in Arizona. But it was when he

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Speaker 4: was in Arizona, it was a cheaper hire. Thinking he'd

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Speaker 4: be an in between guy for when you're ready to

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Speaker 4: bring in the coach. And I think this is going

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Speaker 4: to be the one for Toronto. It's going to be

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Speaker 4: just an in between maybe young guy, proven guy. You know,

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Speaker 4: maybe you look at Chris Knoblock. Maybe coming is another one.

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Speaker 4: If you keep a guy in the league. I'd bring

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Speaker 4: Chris Knoblock over.

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 4: If you can afford him to Stanley Cup finals, bring

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Speaker 4: him right over. But I think Austin's going to have

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Speaker 4: a say in it. But I can't imagine they don't

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Speaker 4: go cheap and they don't go young. And if they

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Speaker 4: do and they go old in a veteran, yeah, I'd

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Speaker 4: be surprised because you just did that. You just did

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Speaker 4: that with You just did that with Brubay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, always mix it up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe more a player friendly coach, younger guy, trying to

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Speaker 1: motivate the players.

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Speaker 3: Etctera last thought flowers to PK Suban.

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Speaker 1: Four years after his last NHL game, ESPN analyst PK

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Speaker 1: Suban successfully completed his pledge to raise ten million dollars

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Speaker 1: the Montreal Children's Hospital.

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Speaker 2: The hospital announced its achievement over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Subin announced the pledge in twenty fifteen as a member

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Speaker 1: of the Canadians who treated him in Nashville. A year later,

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Speaker 1: the hospital claims this is the largest ever philanthropic commitment

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Speaker 1: by Canadian pro athlete has helped approximately one hundred thousand children.

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Speaker 1: So certainly kudos to PK in raising that money. And

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Speaker 1: it's not till Miliane, but Honder's rookie defense of Matthew

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Speaker 1: Shaeffer also to announced he's partnering with Northwall Health to

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Speaker 1: open the Jennifer Shaeffer Child Support Center in honor of

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Speaker 1: his mother, who lost her battle with breast cancer in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: So a retired star and a future star both doing

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Speaker 2: great things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, being of service to your community

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Speaker 4: when you have a platform is one of the most

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Speaker 4: important rewarding things you can do to give back. And

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Speaker 4: I think we need to be a society and a

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Speaker 4: race of people that serve and and serve people that

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Speaker 4: are under privilege and also serve people that are going

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Speaker 4: through some tough time.

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Speaker 3: So good for them to do that. It's awesome stuff.

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Speaker 3: So you know it's got to give back.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you've always given back. You have

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Speaker 1: charitable ventures on your Instagram. You've talked about mental health

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Speaker 1: as well, so a kudos to you as well for

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Speaker 1: always fighting the good fight. And kudas once again to

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Speaker 1: Jillian and Denise her mom enjoying just in time, good

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Speaker 1: taste and problems and.

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Speaker 4: One of the first things you guys agreed upon in

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Speaker 4: a while. Their tastes are quite different. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 4: throw her on the same page. I finally, same page.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell her she's gonna be stoked. She's like

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Speaker 4: ad Nan Finally.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Toal, Thanks for the entire crew. Nate Thompson

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Speaker 1: hopefully next time. Not sure if he's going to book

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Speaker 1: for the five fifty, but he wasn't here, But go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Can we get through a couple? Did we?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Just quickly?

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Speaker 4: Sure we'll Player safety Brad mcnam's gonna have a hearing

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Speaker 4: for that hit, big one. It's a big loss for

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Speaker 4: Vegas even though they you know, won that one. And

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Speaker 4: then what did the macavoy stuff come out to? Charlie

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Speaker 4: X Games six Tomahawk chop I fucking love it. Six

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Speaker 4: laying the hammer first six games next season. Important six

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Speaker 4: games early in the year for Boston when you think

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, important.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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