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Speaker 1: Coming at you live from Boston, Massachusetts, the first road

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Speaker 1: trip of the year for the Saint Louis Cardinals. I'm

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Speaker 1: Katie wo he's Bernie Michelas. Welcome back to Cardinal territory. Bernie.

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Speaker 1: What homestand I thought it was great?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know, after the sweeping the Twins,

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Speaker 2: gonna get swept by the Angels. But that was that

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Speaker 2: was a great Gamelet yes, sir, I mean it was

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Speaker 2: a wild, wild game Wednesday, and once again, I you know,

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Speaker 2: we see a lot of energy and a lot of

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Speaker 2: resolve and a lot of i'll use a corny expression,

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Speaker 2: a lot of fighting spirit from these Redbirds so far

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. I mean, they're a really entertaining

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Speaker 2: team to watch. And bottom line, four and two homestand

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Speaker 1: It right, Oh absolutely. I mean the one thing that

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Speaker 1: worst thing the Cardinals could do sweep the Twins and

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Speaker 1: then get swept by the Angels. But they avoided that.

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Speaker 1: They went four and two on the homestand played six

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Speaker 1: very competitive baseball games. I know you'd probably want at

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Speaker 1: think they'll gladly take four and two. And they had

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Speaker 1: a plus seventeen run differential. I don't think I've seen that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen a positive run differential with

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Speaker 1: with you. I thought the competitive spirit, if you will,

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Speaker 1: is something that Ollie Marmel talked about postgame with us.

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Speaker 1: You know, I asked him, with your homestand thoughts, what

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Speaker 1: And I thought, overall base where we thought this team

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Speaker 1: start the year and scoring forty two runs in six games,

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Speaker 2: Not at all. Again, I feel like I always have

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Speaker 2: I know it's early, but you know, listen, everyone that

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Speaker 2: follows this team, who loves this team, media, who covers

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Speaker 2: the team. The one thing I think we were all

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Speaker 2: evidence that maybe they're better than last year. And again,

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Speaker 2: it's only six games, I know that, but they left town,

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Speaker 2: you know, with an average seven runs per game. Only

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Speaker 2: the Yankees have scored a higher average per game than

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals so far. And I know it's only six games,

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Speaker 2: but like I kind of tend to say, they're the

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Speaker 2: only six games we have to work with, So that's

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Speaker 2: we're just saying what's happened in the first six games.

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Speaker 2: And they have the number two run scoring offense so

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Speaker 1: Long season, long season, but early returns are pretty good.

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Speaker 1: What I really liked about this Cardinals team was the

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Speaker 1: quality of bats. I think we're almost exactly the same

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Speaker 1: Von Herrera. The Yvon Herrera game when I had no

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Speaker 1: issue with Allie Marmal keeping Sonny Gray in that spot

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Speaker 1: And it's really disappointing because outside of that, he pitched

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Speaker 1: He had nine punches. He looked more like Sunny Gray.

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Speaker 1: But that can be really deflating to a team when

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Speaker 2: I mean, in no way, the Cardinals after that Grand Slam,

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years and find some big comebacks. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's what we all mean when we say I don't

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Speaker 2: the first six games overall. I mean those extra inning

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have some confidence in there. They have a

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Speaker 1: little bit of swagger. I like when Allie said that

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Speaker 1: each inning is like its own game. They have a

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Speaker 1: quick memory, they're resilient, they're aggressive, and they have a

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Speaker 1: And you see it. They get punched in the mouth

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Speaker 1: work a walk, Burleson work a walk, and I love

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Speaker 1: the bat from Nolan Arnado where he just stays with

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Speaker 1: up with the big last. But to me, that einighth

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, and the thing that was

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Speaker 2: they're poison last year, you know, failure with rugs in

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Speaker 2: scoring position was really strong on this home stand. I

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Speaker 2: this could be better this year. They're not kind of

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Speaker 2: the same old Cardinals now. They just have to prove

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Speaker 2: it over a long period of time. That's the beauty

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Speaker 2: and the curse of baseball, you know, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty two. The truth shall be revealed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes it should. And I think the Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: a good test on Friday against Walker Buehler. They do

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Speaker 1: not see the newly extended Garrett Crochet. They will see

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Speaker 1: He can hit. He's one of the best pure hit

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Speaker 1: Marble divide it like this. You'll see Pedro get a

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Speaker 1: And this is not to say Pedro can't hit. He

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Speaker 1: every single time. Bernie, what do you think about this

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Speaker 2: Well? I think they can. It's a challenge, as you

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Speaker 2: because Herrera just can't throw anybody out and listen, we're

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Speaker 2: But what will happened with the strategy? Even though I

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Speaker 2: Monday night, I had a chance of visiting with Ali

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Speaker 1: I could never do what you do. I know that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a perfect analogy, but I think

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Speaker 2: Ali gave it the You know, I'm not saying he

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's You think eventually he just can't

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Speaker 1: need to give him a shot, we need to let

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Speaker 1: him try, and we're going to give everything that we

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Speaker 1: have to work with him as well. So I really

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Speaker 1: have no issue with the way that this pitching or

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Speaker 1: this catching time is being split. We'll still see Pedro

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Speaker 1: start every now and then, and I don't want this

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Speaker 1: to come across as like I'm out on Pedro Pajaz.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I think he has a valuable role with

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Speaker 1: this club. I think he's a better hitter than maybe

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Speaker 1: what people think he is. I think all he thinks

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Speaker 1: that as well. In fact, he's said that and his

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Speaker 1: game plan and his preparation. I mean I was talking

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Speaker 1: to him earlier in the week, and he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Allie and Daniel Discalso are so good at letting me

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Speaker 1: know like what I'm looking at and what part of

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Speaker 1: the lineup. So I'm following the game so I know

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Speaker 1: exactly when to go prepare. He said, on Monday, I

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Speaker 1: had a feeling just where the Angels were in their

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Speaker 1: lineup when I'd be coming in, So Descalsa came up

447
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Speaker 1: to me and said, hey, you're coming in after the six.

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Speaker 1: I already knew that. I was already ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I was in the cage, I was prepped. I knew

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Speaker 1: the sequencing, and that is a job in itself too.

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Speaker 1: So with both of these catchers, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: difficult position for both of them to be in, but

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Speaker 1: it could be going so sideways. But credit to the

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Speaker 1: organization for being consistent in their communication, which is not

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Speaker 1: always true with a lot of the players, and credit

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Speaker 1: to the players. Credit to Herrera for taking the criticism

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Speaker 1: to heart and working at it. And credit to Pedro

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Speaker 1: for understanding the situation and doing the best he can

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Speaker 1: to stay prepared and coming in in the most pivotal

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Speaker 1: part of the ballgame and being expected to produce, and

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Speaker 1: he still does and it's.

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Speaker 2: Actually working out pretty well. Because listen, I do agree

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Speaker 2: then I think Pa Hayes has got some upside offensively,

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Speaker 2: and I think we need to also sort of be

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Speaker 2: patient with him, patient in a different way than we

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Speaker 2: have to be with Herrera. Boy, if you had the

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Speaker 2: composite there you got Johnny Bench. I think eddiwell, well

468
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Speaker 2: them together, I know, yeah, you know'd be pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: But for whatever it's worth, again, only six games, but

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals catchers, I won't read numbers. It gets boring,

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Speaker 2: and I'm guilty of that sometime. I admit I can't

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Speaker 2: help myself. The boy can't help himself. But anyway, they

473
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Speaker 2: have through the first week of baseball, the Cardinals have

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Speaker 2: the best offense from the catcher position in the majors.

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Speaker 2: Now Herrari, yes, but don't forget Pies had a pretty

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Speaker 2: big game Sunday too, so it's not like he's along

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Speaker 2: for the ride. Offensively. He certainly put his pieces in.

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Speaker 2: So it's a really good situation offensively, because if we're

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Speaker 2: going to consider Pies to be like a number two

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Speaker 2: catcher man in Saint Louis, especially all those years with

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Speaker 2: the ADDI no disrespect to my friend Gary Bennett and

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Speaker 2: some others. Right, boy, the car Cardinals got no offense

483
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Speaker 2: out of like that so called number two catchers, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think Pa Hayes can actually give you a

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Speaker 2: little more than what we've seen in the past. So

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm being a you know, glass half full guy

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Speaker 2: on this, but I think there's potential there to just

488
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Speaker 2: have a really good year out of the catching position,

489
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Speaker 2: defense and offense. And I think Ali deserves some credit.

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Speaker 2: And I know the haters think everything he does is

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Speaker 2: the worst man Yeah, we're worst managing in the history

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Speaker 2: of baseball, right, But I think what he's trying to

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Speaker 2: do here is is it's gonna be it's gonna be difficult,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be tricky, but but he's trying to

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Speaker 2: trying to do it in a way where you know,

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Speaker 2: Herrera is still going to get most of the advats, right,

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Speaker 2: But when you have a when you have a lead,

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Speaker 2: to try to do, Okay, what can we do to

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Speaker 2: protect this lead? Pi Hayes is part of that formula.

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Speaker 2: Is that a crazy idea? I don't think it is.

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Speaker 2: I think it's actually a pretty damn smart idea. Even then,

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Speaker 2: and I'm repeating myself, we as fans have to know

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Speaker 2: that sometimes it won't. It'll just go boom on you, right,

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Speaker 2: The same thing applies to really great relief pitchers. Every

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Speaker 2: now and then it just goes boom. You know. Does

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Speaker 2: that mean the manager was wrong, any manager to bring

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Speaker 2: in that particular setup guy or closer who's been great

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Speaker 2: all year, but you know, once in a while it's

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Speaker 2: just gonna blow up. Does that mean the manager stupid? No,

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Speaker 2: you go with the track record, you go with numbers,

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Speaker 2: you go with trends, you go with a performance history.

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Speaker 2: No one can get these calls right every single time.

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Speaker 2: And Ali's trying to do something, and I know it's

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Speaker 2: probably done before. I'm talking about the catcher situation. I

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Speaker 2: don't recall anytime recently seeing that. I'm sure it's happened,

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Speaker 2: but it is something new. I like creative. I like

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Speaker 2: creativity and managers, I really do. And I think I

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Speaker 2: think Golly deserves some credit for this, although as I

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Speaker 2: say that, I also realized that about maybe eight percent

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Speaker 2: of Cardinals fans will give Hi credit for this. I'm

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Speaker 2: being a little paid.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, yeah, I loved and Twitter is such

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Speaker 1: a small fraction of but it's the one that I

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Speaker 1: see in real time, so I loved the immediate reaction.

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Speaker 1: I will say that the timeliness of the Grand Slam

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, immediately after always Maunain visit was objectively funny.

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Speaker 1: And to see Cardinals fans freak out about that and I,

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Speaker 1: you know, just out of nowhere, and then happening later

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Speaker 1: they're all the way back in and always thinking. I

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Speaker 1: just love writing the roller coaster with you, guys, I

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Speaker 1: really do. But I agree with you. I think I

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Speaker 1: thought coming into the season, Ollie marml is gonna have

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Speaker 1: a tough spot because he has to develop guys and

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Speaker 1: win games at the same time and make sure everyone

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Speaker 1: gets playing time, all of that good stuff. But what

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Speaker 1: he's doing with Herrera and Pedro pa has makes sense

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Speaker 1: and it is very difficult. It's a very fine line

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Speaker 1: to walk. It did not work for them Monday, but

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Speaker 1: it did work for them last Thursday and Saturday. So

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Speaker 1: even if you have the most you could have a

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Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley out there. Ryan hells is going to blow

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Speaker 1: a couple of saves every now and then, even when

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Speaker 1: he is the best closer in baseball. This catching substitution

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Speaker 1: strategy is probably the most sound they could make it.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's not going to work one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: of the time, but I understand the logic behind it,

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Speaker 1: and Bernie, you have some some thoughts here about the kids.

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Speaker 1: let's get you have some stats on the kids.

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Speaker 2: And if I could take a moment to be a

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Speaker 2: shameless self promoter, I've read in my Redbird review, which

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Speaker 2: I just got done right before we connected. It's not

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Speaker 2: online yet. I got to do a little more editing.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things I wanted to do is

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Speaker 2: because we all agree that the that the young hitters

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Speaker 2: that they have. Their performance is going to be very influential,

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Speaker 2: good or bad, whether this offense can make a move,

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Speaker 2: And so you're just looking for signs right away that, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, is it going to be better? Will they

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Speaker 2: come through? We can't draw any conclusions after six games,

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Speaker 2: but for whatever it's worth, they're five youngest hitters. Victor

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Speaker 2: Scott Well No, in no particular order, sorry, Mason Win,

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Speaker 2: Victor Scott, Nolan Gorman, Jordan Walker. I haven't Von Herrera.

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Speaker 2: Those five hitters during the homestand collectively hit three twenty

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Speaker 2: six and they had a nine to forty four ops

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Speaker 2: and just every single one of them, just about even

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Speaker 2: Mason Win. Mason Winn took a lot of pitches. He

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Speaker 2: wasn't like going up their hacking. They had really mature

577
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Speaker 2: at bats. I got some stuff on Gorman. It's like

578
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Speaker 2: sliver samples, but it's almost funny, like his contact rate

579
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Speaker 2: and how he did not chase pitches out of his zone.

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Speaker 2: So at least the lessons that have been imparted, they

581
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Speaker 2: went into the season trying to put that stuff into action.

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Speaker 2: And I thought it was a really good sign because

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is five guys in your lineup, not

584
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Speaker 2: every single day, but they're gonna be either. If they're

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Speaker 2: not regular starters, they're gonna be They're gonna get a

586
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Speaker 2: lot of playing time. So much can tilt one way

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Speaker 2: or the other based on what these five guys do,

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Speaker 2: because they are the youngest hitters and this is the

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Speaker 2: runway season, right so they're all out there on the runway.

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Speaker 2: But I thought, you know, that was an encouraging thing

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Speaker 2: for the team and the fans to see how they

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Speaker 2: did as a group, and that even those numbers are

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Speaker 2: especially great. Would you consider that, you know, Win didn't

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Speaker 2: even have a hit until, yes, until Wednesdays, so even

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Speaker 2: with that baked in there, these numbers are outstanding.

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Speaker 1: And what's encouraging is no matter who the opposing lineup

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Speaker 1: is or the opposing picture, excuse me, it's a tough

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Speaker 1: decision on who's on the bench that day right now, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean Nolan Gorman and the very small sample size

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Speaker 1: that we've seen him has looked excellent, Luke and Baker excellent.

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Speaker 1: Talked about Herrera obviously, Jordan Walker continues to excel. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think fans were concerned about Mason just

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Speaker 1: given how his spring was the swing looked a little off,

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Speaker 1: but I agree with you. The quality of the advats

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Speaker 1: were there. The outcomes certainly wasn't. But what was different

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Speaker 1: about Mason, and we talked about this with both Mason

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Speaker 1: and Ollie over the week, was his mentality Tuesday night,

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Speaker 1: can We talked to him right after that loss an

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Speaker 1: extra That's a tough time to talk to any player,

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Speaker 1: and he was a pro about it. He stood by

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Speaker 1: his locker and he was candid. He said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think if this is happening to me last year,

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Speaker 1: I definitely would have broken some things. I definitely be frustrated.

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Speaker 1: He goes, but that's selfish. If we're winning games, we're

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Speaker 1: trying to win games and I'm over here mad because

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Speaker 1: I'm not playing, well, that's a bad teammate. That's selfish

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Speaker 1: of me, and I'm not going to do that. He said.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm close. I've been working extensively. He

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Speaker 1: felt like his pelvis. I'm going to try to be

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Speaker 1: like a hitting coach mechanic, so just bear with me.

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Speaker 1: His pelvis was tilted up, so he was not able

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Speaker 1: to hit down on the ball, who's pulling off of it,

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Speaker 1: could not really reach anything on the outside part of

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Speaker 1: his own. So he's tilting himself back, is what he

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Speaker 1: described it as, and he's trying to hit down on

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Speaker 1: the ball more, get better quality contact. He said he's

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Speaker 1: watching film with Brenton Brown during the rain delay on

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Speaker 1: Sunday and they were looking at some things there and

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Speaker 1: he said on Tuesday, he goes, I'm close and I

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Speaker 1: feel like some scary things are coming. As I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about this. He might have said this Monday. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember one of these days, but he did

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Speaker 1: say some scary things are coming and I feel good.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that he was able to be so

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Speaker 1: honest about how he would have handled things last year

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Speaker 1: compared to what he was now, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: really don't think Mason fans the team has anything to

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Speaker 1: worry about. I think he'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought it was a good sign yesterday

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Speaker 2: on the same day, Contrara's and win both got something going,

641
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's really important because it listen,

642
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: these are pros, these are very talented people. They're also

643
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: human beings. And I don't care who you are, especially

644
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: at the top of the season, like you can have

645
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: an O fourteen in late June, and nobody's really going

646
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: to talk about yes, you know, so you feel it.

647
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: You have to feel it. It's like, you know, for us,

648
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: it's the equivalent of like you're writing on an impossible deadline.

649
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: And in my case, there are some times where I

650
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: just early choked and I and I was great at

651
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: deadline writing, but every now and then you're just kind

652
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: of like, oh, you know, so I try to relate

653
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: to that in that kind of weak way pressure can

654
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: pressure can make you kind of, you know case only

655
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: just lose it. It's tough. It's tough, and that's why

656
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate what all these guys have to do and

657
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: I give them their slumps because my goodness, you know,

658
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: we're talking about six months of baseball and there are

659
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: going to be stretches where it's really ugly. Now, Cardinals

660
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: fans need to realize we should hope that maybe those

661
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: two guys got it out of the way early, right.

662
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I love the optimism here.

663
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Well, you know, but if your offense can score seven

664
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: runs a game in the first home stand without these

665
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: two really important players doing much at all, I take

666
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: that as a good sign.

667
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean anyway, virtually zero production from your

668
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: number two hitter and you still have, you know, forty

669
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: two runs in six games. I think that'll play. And

670
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what this looks like on the road.

671
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see just how, you know, how Mason looks,

672
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: how Wilson looks. I do think they turned a page.

673
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: One guy. I really want to highlight. He's our Fandual

674
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: Sports Network. Oh that's the wrong one. Where'd you go?

675
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Where did we go? There we go? He's our FanDuel

676
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: Sports Network player to watch coming into Boston. He has

677
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Mister Lars Newbar, like I said earlier in the show,

678
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: leadoff hitter, has played every single inning so far for

679
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals. He has reached base sixteen out

680
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: of thirty times. He has count with me one, two, three, four,

681
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: five multi hit games, two homers. He has an ops

682
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: of twelve hundred, a slugging of six sixty seven, and

683
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: an on base percentage of five to thirty three. Yes,

684
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: it's only been six games, but you take that in

685
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: a week. You'll take that from any player. Lars Newbar

686
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: has this catalyst energy that he brings on both sides

687
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: of the ball. I like his little bird celebration. I

688
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: don't know for sure he started that, but I can't

689
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: imagine anyone else. I'm just so encouraged from the early

690
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: returns of Lars Newbar. I think he completely changes the

691
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: dynamic of the lineup. He looks really athletic out there

692
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: and left, and it's just it's been a while since

693
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: you've seen the Cardinals lineup turn over and you're like,

694
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: all right, here come the hitters, and that starts with Lars,

695
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: and he looks completely re energized, refocused, and ready to

696
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: show the Cardinals, Hey, I am a part of this,

697
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: whether they see it that way or not. This reset,

698
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm a player that you want to build around, and

699
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you why I like it. I

700
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: like what I seen from larsmie Bar so far.

701
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: I think he's wired a bet leadoff and listen, when

702
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: he's had a chance to do it, he's always gotten

703
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: really good results, you know. And I don't count twenty

704
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: twenty one when he came up and he played a

705
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: little I kind of throw that to the side, But sin,

706
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: I don't have the numbers in front of me. But

707
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: since the start of twenty twenty two, when he's been

708
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: given the opportunity to bet. Leadoff numbers are outstanding because,

709
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: my goodness, you know, all the pitches he sees on

710
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: average for plate appearances. He makes the pitchers work. He's

711
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: given the number two, the number three, everybody in the

712
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: dugout who might hit that inning, he's he gives them

713
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: a chance to see what the pitcher's trying to do.

714
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: He's trying to tire him out a little bit. But

715
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: also it kind of exposed his game plan. And you know,

716
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: then you have a guy with a with a phenomenal

717
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: walk rate, and he a really strong OPB, and he

718
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: he ain't Ricky Henderson, but he can do that Ricky

719
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: Henderson thing where he he can deliver power in the

720
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 2: leadoff spot, you know, and that I don't think those

721
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: guys are that all that easy to find. So the

722
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: talent has always been there with Newt bar always the

723
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: frustration level with the injuries is understandable. But I've always

724
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: pushed back with the with fans that just say, well,

725
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: he's just an average guy. You know. I've had people

726
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: tell me well, he's just a fourth outfit. No, he's not.

727
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: You're mad at him because he gets hurt a lot.

728
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: I understand because I've been frustrated and I've expressed it too.

729
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: Will he ever stay healthy, that's a whole difference question.

730
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: He's a really good player, and he's like a stat

731
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: cast superstar, Like he's like a Hall of Fame stat

732
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: cast guy. And nobody wants to hear that either because

733
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, even me, and I'm into the advanced stuff.

734
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: But you know, the advance excuse me, expected stats are nice,

735
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: but the actual stats, the actual numbers, actually win ball games,

736
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So, but I boy, it

737
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: seems like that team follows him too. I mean maybe

738
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: I'm saying that because he's so visible in his energy

739
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: and enthusiasms, always on display in those dugout shots or wherever.

740
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: But just the way he sets the tone at the

741
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: top of the lineup, I mean, it's like a great

742
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: way to get that get that thing rolling right away.

743
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: He's got that capability. So yeah, big fan of what

744
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: we saw in those first six games. My goodness, he

745
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: was tremendous.

746
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was excellent, high energy guy on and off

747
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: the field. But there's a reason that his teammates like

748
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: him so much. And there's a reason my only Marmal

749
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: is gonna keep him in that leadoff spot regardless of handedness.

750
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: Now on deck, first road games of the year. What

751
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: better way to start than at Fenway Park. It's Boston's

752
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: home opener on Friday, and why I maintain Saint Louis

753
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: does it best. I can't think of a better home

754
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: opener to go as a visitor than than Fenway. With

755
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: the history here, the Red Sox are doing a lot

756
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: of great things. We'll have an episode out previewing that tomorrow,

757
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: but for now, Cardinals fans enjoy the off day. I

758
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: know I will very responsibly, of course, as I always do.

759
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: What do I have? Oh gosh, I don't know. You'll

760
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 2: find me in my I call my workspace the layer,

761
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: but you'll find me in the Layer. But I also

762
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: now call it the content Farm. I'll be hanging out

763
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: in the content.

764
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: Farm, my content creator.

765
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: Congratulations, produce, just producing. No, I know it'll be I

766
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: think we've got a good dinner plan on Saturday with

767
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: the family member birthday celebration and all that. So no,

768
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: I'm excited. This team's very intriguing. But I have to

769
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: ask you, man, I can't let you just get out

770
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: of here, because you were hinting at certain things. You're

771
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: in Boston, you got there early. I don't know if

772
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: you have any writing to do today. I know you

773
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: got a piece coming out Friday, so maybe the writing's

774
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 2: already in the bank. Oh okay. What does Katie Woo

775
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: do with the day off in Boston? What is on

776
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: the agenda?

777
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: Well, this is a special trip. I actually have just

778
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of writing to do. I did work ahead.

779
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: What I really have to do is about three months

780
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: of expenses, but I did most of those on the

781
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: plane yesterday. So this is a fun weekend for me.

782
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Not to make it about me, of course, I would

783
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: never do that. But my birthday is actually tomorrow, and

784
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: my parents flew in. My parents love to travel, they're

785
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: both retired, so they did the cross country flight yesterday.

786
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: Alexa Dat is on the trip as a friend's she'll

787
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: be there, but she's not. You know, Jim Hayes has

788
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the sideline recording, but she came with me and my

789
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: good friend Emily, who works for the Cardinals as a videographer.

790
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: As Cardinals Insider, she appears on FanDuel every now and then.

791
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: She's on the trip as well, so we have some

792
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: dinner plans tonight and then the way that this here's

793
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: some behind the scenes what baseball writers really look at.

794
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: The scheduling of these games are ideal for fun because

795
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: we have a two o'clock game on Friday, which means

796
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: we're done by like six seven o'clock. And then Saturday

797
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: that's a four o'clock game, so you have some recovery

798
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: if you need it, and then you're also done relatively early.

799
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: And Sunday is Sunday Night baseball, so you have all

800
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: day Sunday to recover should you need it. You know,

801
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: I would never I would never need to do that

802
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: because I would never be out late. Obviously, Pittsburgh is

803
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna suck, That's all I'm gonna say. I'm gonna be

804
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: very tired for Pittsburgh. But I'm gonna have a lot

805
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: of fun here in Boston, Bertie. I'm super excited. Get

806
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: some dinner at the North End there you go bars

807
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: around here. Tam Bar is a good one. Uh yeah,

808
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. But obviously I'm not fine.

809
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: See, I think I need to do some kind of column,

810
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: like human interest column on the three Beat writers. The

811
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: three primary beat writers. Uh yourself, there, goold John Detton,

812
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: because I'd see you as like three different animals on

813
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: the road, right, yeah, three different species. Right. And I

814
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: know what Derek, I know what Derek's jam is. I

815
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: mean Derek actually, uh, I give him all the credit

816
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: in the world because he is off.

817
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: He was funny.

818
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: But when he has a few hours and he always

819
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: tries to maximize a trip to a city, especially those

820
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: that he really likes. I mean, the dude is in,

821
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 2: you know, he's in art galleries, he's in museums, he's

822
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: in he goes to these places where they have like

823
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: weird nick knacks and stuff, and you know, just he's

824
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: always going out there exploring things. When I was on

825
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: the road over you know, about one hundred and fifty

826
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: days a year or all those years straight, I just

827
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: wanted to sleep. It was like, leave me alone, you know, right,

828
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: give me some coffee and leave me alone. I don't

829
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: want to go anywhere. Maybe I'll go to lunch, but

830
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to do anything. Yeah. I would see you, Yeah,

831
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: I would see you having fun, but you know, within reason,

832
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: but having fun, I'm not sure about reason.

833
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: Reason.

834
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: What's it? What's the scouting report on Detton on the road.

835
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so I would agree with you, Derek. He had

836
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: countless recommendations of coffee places, restaurants, just things to do

837
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: that were outside of the like bar scene, which I

838
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: was so appreciated for. And every single place that I've

839
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: gone to that Derek has recommended has been excellent. John

840
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: is kind of our like activities chair for the Stle's BBWAA,

841
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: and he is so big on pickleball. He's really good

842
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: at it actually, so he organizes pickleball on the road

843
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: and at home. At home, we play like every Tuesday

844
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: out either at Forest Park or Tower Grove. And it's

845
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: not just writers, it's all Saint Louis Sports Media. If

846
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: you can show up play from ten to twelve, we

847
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: have two or three courts reserved. It's really fun. And

848
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: then on the road, we'll do it in the mornings

849
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: every now and then because we're trying to be like

850
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: healthy habits on the road. And then every now and

851
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: then we're going to beer after the game or something

852
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Speaker 1: there just decompress. Usually it'll be like we had a

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Speaker 1: really rough game and postgame was even rougher, and we

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Speaker 1: just need to vent about, like our silly little sports

855
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Speaker 1: writer lives. But yeah, John John is great and he

856
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Speaker 1: really makes sure that I stay active. There's pickleball courts

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Speaker 1: that we know of in Milwaukee, Cincinnati. I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be playing in Boston or Pittsburgh because the

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00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: weather is terrible. It's raining right now. It's really putting

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Speaker 1: a bad vibe on my off day. But I think

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Speaker 1: you have it pretty spot on, and every now and

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Speaker 1: then the whole beat will go out and it's we

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Speaker 1: have a good time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, Derek is so thoughtful, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I just have to say this because since I want

866
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: to talk about again, his road life is fascinating me.

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Speaker 2: Nothing makes me smile like I get a when I

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Speaker 2: get a postcard from from the road from there cool

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Speaker 2: and you know, and I just never know when they're

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Speaker 2: like if he's in Baltimore, right, I mean, he knows

871
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: that's my hometown. It isn't just he just throws some

872
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: post He writes a very a very thoughtful note. But

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Speaker 2: he also he also sends it. He picks a postcard

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Speaker 2: based on the connection to the city, you know, and

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Speaker 2: so with you know, like in Baltimore, it's something to

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Speaker 2: do with crabs, or it's something to do with Edgar

877
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Speaker 2: Allan Poe, or it's you know, right Fort McHenry, whatever,

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Speaker 2: Earl Weaver. You know, it's like, so he's uh, I

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Speaker 2: say this with love. He is a very interesting guy.

880
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: I mean, he just don't ever try to peg him.

881
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: He'll surprise you. But all three of you do an

882
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: excellent job. Seriously, you do an job. And I'm really

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00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: happy to know. I knew this already, but I'm really

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Speaker 2: happy that you reaffirmed that all three of you get

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Speaker 2: along splendidly. So that's there's some situations I've seen where

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00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: it's not like that. That's awesome, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I think, and you know this, Bernie, after one

888
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two games together plus two months of spring,

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Speaker 1: there's always a little bit of just like everyone take

890
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Speaker 1: a deep breath and calm down. But I was about

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00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: to say I'm eleve or not a fighter. That's not true.

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00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: I'll fight. We get along though, and you know, all

893
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Speaker 1: Homestand I sit next to Daniel Guerrero from the Post Dispatch,

894
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: a young up and coming writer who's talented, very talented.

895
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Speaker 1: John is on my left, Daniel's on my right. Land

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00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Worthies next to Daniel, and I was laughing all serious

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00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: against the Angels because that's what it's about, you go.

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00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we have so many jokes about because our

899
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: lives revolve around this team, so we have so many jokes,

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00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: so many references. And I was just sitting back the

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00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: other day and I was like, how lucky am I

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Speaker 1: to do this again where I'm laughing and I cannot, like,

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Speaker 1: I haven't stopped smiling since the first pitch, and then

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00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: of course I get on Twitter and you guys bring

905
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Speaker 1: me down and I'm kidding. But it's a fun dynamic.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for it, Bernie. And hopefully we'll see you

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Speaker 1: at the ballpark soon.

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00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I told Brian Bartow, I said, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: I'll be seeing you soon. I gave some thought to

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00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: going down there yesterday, but frankly, I'm kind of like,

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00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: uh no, it was terrible.

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Speaker 1: It was terrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was way too threatening. I'm like, no, so,

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Speaker 2: but yeah.

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Speaker 1: We're supposed to have some seventy degrees. I know, what's

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis. It'll probably change, like, let's keep our fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for that.

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Speaker 2: Katie love doing this with you. Thank you as always,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 1: This was super fun. Bernie. Well, Bernie, I'll be back

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Speaker 1: with you at the end of the Boston Red Sox

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Speaker 1: series time TVD SENA night baseball thrown everything off and

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Speaker 1: then we got flights to catch to Pittsburgh Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: But we will be back with you and we'll preview

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Speaker 1: the Red Sox series tomorrow. I'll have something for you

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Speaker 1: guys out Friday morning for Bernie. I'm Katie Wu. This

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Speaker 1: is Cardinal Territory. We'll talk to you very soon.