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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics. I'm Mollie John Fast. We have

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Speaker 2: such a great show for you today. Later in the show,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to The New York Times' Annie Carney about

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Speaker 2: the failed impeachment of Pete Hexeth. But first, we have

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Speaker 2: the Jim Acosta Show's Jim Acosta to talk about Trump

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Speaker 2: threatening Dems if they investigate him. Welcome, welcome, Jim Acosta.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Mollie.

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Speaker 2: Robert Garcia is going to be the head of the House. Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's going to take Jim Comer's job.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And he is going to investigate the myriad of Trump

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Speaker 2: kleptocracy scandals, of which there are many. Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: not taking this lying down. He says he's going to

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Speaker 2: jail Robert Garcia.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, something tells me that Robert Garcia is going to

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Speaker 1: be slightly more busy than Jim Comer was investigating Trump corruption. Um, I, I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I, I reached out to, uh, some folks

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Speaker 1: what's funny is, is that I guess, uh, the white

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Speaker 1: house or somebody leaked it to the punch bowl folks

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Speaker 1: or whatever that, Hey, we we've sent over this threatening letter. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if Robert Garcia doesn't back off, he could go to

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Speaker 1: jail and all this crazy stuff, which of course is

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Speaker 1: never going to happen. And, um, I heard from a

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Speaker 1: source with the committee that they had not even received

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Speaker 1: the letter. but the Democrats have not even received the letter.

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Speaker 1: And so something is going on there. They're just trying

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Speaker 1: to fire off missiles in the press, maybe to please

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Speaker 1: the audience of one, but this is not going to

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Speaker 1: stop Robert Garcia. I mean, he was saying on election night,

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Speaker 1: lawyer up and they should be lawyering up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, you just, it's like swing a dead cat

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Speaker 1: in Washington and you'll hit a corruption scandal that needs

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Speaker 1: to be investigated right now. And, you know, I, I

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Speaker 1: think Garcia and his folks are gonna be very busy at,

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Speaker 1: You know, my guess is, is that it's like an

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Speaker 1: attorney hiring spree over on Capitol Hill. Name your price.

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Speaker 2: And I think what's important about this story is that

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Speaker 2: Trump World has, you know, they have a Department of

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Speaker 2: Justice that is headed by Trump's personal lawyer, Todd Blanch.

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Speaker 2: And they have burned any credibility that they had going after,

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Speaker 2: you know, that they've gone after Jim Comey, like for

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Speaker 2: the seashells photo, like three times, you know. What I

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Speaker 2: think is so striking about this moment is they burned

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Speaker 2: the popular vote and being popular to being so unpopular

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Speaker 2: that South Dakota didn't flip, but practically everywhere else did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're going to threaten. So you don't have

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Speaker 2: the poppy. You don't have a mandate. You don't have

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Speaker 2: have like any legal argument to stand on. And so

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Speaker 2: you're going to go after the opposition government because you

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Speaker 2: because you bad vibes.

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Speaker 1: It's all they know. Threatening and intimidation tactics, you know,

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Speaker 1: Al Capone mob behavior. This is all they know. It's

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Speaker 1: he should be right up there with Pete Hexeth in

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Speaker 1: terms of line, you know, getting in line for impeachment.

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Speaker 1: You know, the way they have weaponized the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: you know, it's up to the Congress to decide what

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Speaker 1: is impeachable. It doesn't have to be written in, you know,

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Speaker 1: I would say to Todd Blanche lawyer up if I

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Speaker 1: So I, it was a lot of anger out there

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Speaker 1: you know, to me, when he named Stephen Miller the

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Speaker 1: People are happy. They're exuberant. There's a sense of euphoria.

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Speaker 1: I'm all with you on that. It's a good thing

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Speaker 2: And I think what's important here is that with Jim Jordan, right?

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Speaker 2: the high road and they're not going to throw Trump

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Speaker 2: two years are going to be You know, investigations of

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Speaker 2: I mean, and what we're going to see is what

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Speaker 2: we learned about paper being shredded at the Department of

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Speaker 2: the Interior today. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Marco Rubio, it looks like the State Department

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Speaker 1: Jensen Wang thing. You know, hey, sorry, you know, that

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Speaker 1: Where he brought Jensen Wang on Air Force One. Somebody

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Speaker 1: And I mean, so that got leaked out there. The

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be fun to burn them? You know, that

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Speaker 2: Getting- Very busy with scoops.

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Speaker 1: The snakes are starting to eat each other. When we

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Speaker 2: And it reminds me, and you and I both covered

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Speaker 2: Trump 1.0, and in Trump 1.0, every day was somebody

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Speaker 2: leaking something to try to either... I'm thinking about this

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And because, you know, it's this mob racket that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump imposed as soon as he came back into

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Speaker 1: and everybody is not getting to dip their beak into

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Speaker 1: And one of the most crowded places in the world

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Speaker 1: it is what it is, but Stephen Miller being named

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Speaker 2: It feels like we're heading towards a real crisis because

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Speaker 2: that Stephen Miller is going to go hard on deportation

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Speaker 1: I think so, too. And I think that People need

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Speaker 2: But that said congress can hold people in contempt of

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Speaker 2: this Congress can do. Now, the question is, and again,

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Speaker 2: at the state level, Democrats now control, and women, Democratic governorships,

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Speaker 2: Democratic senator and a Democratic governor. So look, Here's the

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Speaker 2: deal with Jim Jordan. He does not wear a jacket.

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Speaker 2: He's a wee fellow. He is a very angry guy,

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Speaker 2: a lot of screaming. And he is an attack dog,

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Speaker 2: given this job to protect Donald Trump. So will we

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Speaker 2: see a lot of legislation from the Republicans?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Now, luckily, they are in such a minority that in

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Speaker 2: the 120th Congress, they will have almost no control. And

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Speaker 2: Democrats will have a I think 260, 258. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what I think is so interesting about this moment with

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Speaker 2: Jim Jacketless, Jim Jordan, is that like most of MAGA

442
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Speaker 2: has been raptured out of the Congress, right? Lauren Boebert, gone.

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Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Greene, gone. Think about all those other people.

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Speaker 2: Virginia Fox, the one Republican woman who headed a committee, gone.

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Speaker 2: Mike Lawler, gone. You know, I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 2: All those people are gone. It's like really backbenchers at

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Speaker 2: this point. It's people who were in our plus 27.

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Speaker 2: It's people who really had such gerrymandered seats. And so

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Speaker 2: the question is, what can possibly Jim Jordan do to

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Speaker 2: protect Donald Trump from accountability? And if he can, we

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Speaker 2: will see it. And again, we saw this with, you

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller is going to be the chief of staff

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Speaker 2: for Trump. So he's going to do a lot of

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Speaker 2: really destructive things. But it's again, this is a Congress

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Speaker 2: that is it is created to serve Donald Trump. And,

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Speaker 2: you know, yesterday, Tom Emmers of Minnesota was speaking in

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Speaker 2: the press conference and he was saying, like, these communists

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Speaker 2: are going to rue the day they ever decided to

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Speaker 2: run for office. You know, I'm not sure they will, man. Like,

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Speaker 2: I think Tom Emmer is like, these guys are still

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Speaker 2: well within the Trump playbook and have not, they have

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Speaker 2: nothing new. And they just lost a big election on

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Speaker 2: this and they plan to keep doing it. So we

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Speaker 2: shall see.

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Speaker 4: You know what didn't work in this election?

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Speaker 5: Calling people communists who have the same politics as the

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Speaker 5: average soccer mom in America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I just think, like, I think there's going to

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Speaker 2: be a real problem for for MAGA. And I do

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Speaker 2: not think that Jim Jordan and it's so interesting to

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Speaker 2: watch like Stefanik gone. I mean, like all of these,

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Speaker 2: even the people, Paul Ryan gone, the people who who

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Speaker 2: offered something that was a MAGA gone, the people offered

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Speaker 2: MAGA gone. You know who's left? People you've never heard of.

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Speaker 2: And that weird rapper.

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Speaker 4: Anthony Constantino took step.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Right.

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Speaker 1: And that's it.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday was still preaching free diddy.

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Speaker 2: Free Diddy because, as he said, Diddy is a job creator.

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Speaker 5: He needs to make New York exciting again. Just keep

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Speaker 5: in mind, he's from quite far away from New York City. But,

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Speaker 5: you know, I will say this, Molly. Mike Johnson was

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Speaker 5: an incompetent speaker. He was an incompetent defender of the indefensible.

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Speaker 4: I will say this.

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Speaker 5: This is a smart hire because Jim Jordan, if he's

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Speaker 5: shown one thing, is he campaigned as battle-tested, but he

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Speaker 5: really will defend the indefensible. to no end, including child predators,

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Speaker 5: as outlined in the HBO documentary.

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Speaker 2: So Jim Jordan became famous because he ignored the pleadings

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Speaker 2: of kids who we now know, because kids wrote in,

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Speaker 2: or at least adults now wrote in, to say that

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Speaker 2: he did not, when they complained about what was happening

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, Jordan did not take them seriously. Yep.

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Speaker 5: OK, so we should get back to, though, what some

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Speaker 5: of this is about. We're starting to see leaks of

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Speaker 5: the shape of what the Stephen Miller White House will

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Speaker 5: look like. And it's shaped like MAGA and men. How's

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Speaker 5: that make you feel, Molly?

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Speaker 4: Are you owned?

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Speaker 2: I'm owned. So Miller was replaced Susie Wiles, who was

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Speaker 2: thought of as one of the very few grownups, though

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Speaker 2: she did. Ballard Partners, her daughter and her lobby.

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Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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Speaker 5: Explain this to us. Like, what is the Ballard Partners

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Speaker 5: of this? I don't feel like we've talked about this enough.

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Speaker 2: Susie Wiles used to work at Ballard Partners. Ballard Partners

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Speaker 2: is her old lobbying firm. This is reported by Trump-friendly

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Speaker 2: outlet CBS News. They made $ 168. million under Trump. This

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Speaker 2: is the firm that Susie Wiles used to work for.

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Speaker 2: Kayleigh Means.

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Speaker 4: Trader to the administration.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Kayleigh Means, who worked for Robert F. Kennedy, went on

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Speaker 2: Face the Nation and also on the Joe Rogan podcast.

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Speaker 2: And he said that Ballard Partners rise to become the

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Speaker 2: top earning lobbying firm did not, quote, happen by accident.

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Speaker 2: He accused Willis and other advisors to Mr. Trump of

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Speaker 2: catering to industries that funded Republicans ahead of the midterms. Basically,

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Speaker 2: quid pro quo. Does anyone find this at all surprising?

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Speaker 2: This was about the Roundup story. You'll remember that this

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Speaker 2: administration decided to go pro-Roundup a pesticide that causes cancer

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Speaker 2: and bring it back, even though the rest of the

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Speaker 2: world has Roundup band. Brian Ballard, who runs Ballard Partners,

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Speaker 2: was one of Trump's top fundraisers. He's reeled in about

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Speaker 2: $ 50 million for the campaign in 2024. He chaired the...

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's just like, these are people who pay

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump money.

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Speaker 5: I did really like this, though, for what we can

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Speaker 5: look forward to for Miller's rule. is during a Fox

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Speaker 5: News appearance, he said that we need to make young

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Speaker 5: men show that you are a real man and not

534
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Speaker 5: a beta. So he's running on the Andrew Tate platform

535
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Speaker 5: is how he thinks he's going to get Trump popular again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that should do it. Look, the lesson in 2024,

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Speaker 2: Trump went on these bro podcasts and said, He was

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Speaker 2: able to turn out low frequency voters, but the difference

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Speaker 2: was the economy was good. And so voters got involved

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Speaker 2: in culture wars and stuff that wasn't real. Now the

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Speaker 2: economy is bad. People are hurting. They can't afford to

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Speaker 2: fill their cars up with gas. So The idea that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, that that crew is going to double down

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Speaker 2: on some of the worst impulses of MAGA, I think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be hard, especially because you'll remember that

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Speaker 2: Maha King and British comedian Russell Brandt has just been

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Speaker 2: sentenced to jail. in the UK for all sorts of

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Speaker 2: sexual crimes. And I think that this is going to be,

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Speaker 2: you know, you don't have Russell Brand. You don't have,

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Speaker 2: aren't the brothers also going?

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Speaker 4: Tristan and Edger Tater also.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes.

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Speaker 4: You see a similar future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So hard to see how this, how you can

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Speaker 2: make this play when those guys are in jail.

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Speaker 4: So Bali, Alina Habba, Mildon. I'm sorry. I forgot she

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Speaker 4: got married, so I have to respect her name. Respect.

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Speaker 2: Her new name.

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Speaker 5: She has a formal complaint that is putting her law

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Speaker 5: license at risk.

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Speaker 2: So, Alina Haba Mildon, most recently in the news for

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Speaker 2: getting a $ 50 million job for pardoned is now in

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Speaker 2: trouble in the great state of New Jersey, where she

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Speaker 2: was a parking lawyer who wore a bikini to Mar-a-Lago,

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Speaker 2: caught the eye of one Donald J. Trump, and then

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Speaker 2: went to work in the administration. This is an ethics

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Speaker 2: complaint that stems from legal services Mildon provided to an

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Speaker 2: employee of Trump National Golf Course Bedminster, who had alleged

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Speaker 2: being sexually harassed there, before being silenced with a non-disclosure

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Speaker 2: agreement That is illegal under state law. Oh, of course.

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Speaker 2: The document obtained by the Washington Sun, which is a

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Speaker 2: lot of the really good people from the Washington Post,

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Speaker 2: shows that Mildon has her law license. This may, in fact,

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Speaker 2: risk her license to practice law. And it's a startling

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Speaker 2: turn for a lawyer who, is it really a startling turn?

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Speaker 3: It's not as, in my mind.

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Speaker 4: I disagree with that characteristic.

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Speaker 2: This is neither startling nor a term. Parking lawyer, bikini wearer,

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Speaker 2: Elena Haba Milden is now maybe no longer a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: She could just be parking. Annie Carney is a congressional

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Speaker 2: reporter for The New York Times. Welcome, welcome, Annie Carney.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Molly.

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Speaker 2: So you are at New York Times and you focus

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Speaker 2: a lot on Congress. And so I wanted to talk

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Speaker 2: to you about the impeachment vote that went down yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Eleven Democrats missed it. Why did they miss it? What happened?

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Speaker 2: This was the vote to impeach Secretary of War, quote unquote,

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Speaker 2: Whiskey Pete, Pete Hexeth.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So this is an impeachment vote brought by Thomas Massey,

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Speaker 3: who's a Republican.

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Speaker 2: Who will be out of Congress.

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Speaker 3: He will not be in the 120th.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 2: He lost his primary.

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Speaker 1: So....

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Speaker 3: He tried to bring this before and Johnson sent the

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Speaker 3: House home to avoid having the vote because before the election,

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Speaker 3: it looked like a lot of Republicans might vote for it.

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Speaker 3: They were looking for distance from Trump. The war is

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Speaker 3: incredibly unpopular. So Johnson sent the House home because there

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Speaker 3: was a real concern that a lot of Republicans would

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Speaker 3: vote for it and it would pass. So they come back.

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Speaker 3: So there was two surprises last night. One surprise was

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Speaker 3: that no Republicans broke and voted for it. Thomas Massey

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Speaker 3: was the only Republican to vote for impeaching Hegseth. And

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Speaker 3: that was a bit of a surprise. It's just a

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Speaker 3: reminder that even after this election, where it was like

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Speaker 3: a complete remediation of Trump, Republicans don't break with him.

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Speaker 3: They did not. So that was interesting. But then the

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Speaker 3: numbers were, there were so many absences on both sides,

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Speaker 3: which means that even with all Republicans voting against it,

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Speaker 3: if all Democrats had shown up, they could have advanced this.

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Speaker 3: And forced the Senate to take it up and either

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Speaker 3: convict him or not. And unfortunately for Democrats, 11 Democrats

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Speaker 3: missed the vote. And if they had been there, this

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Speaker 3: would have passed. This is a completely uninspiring start for

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Speaker 3: Democrats who are riding so high after the election results

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Speaker 3: and for the new leadership team that is dealing with

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Speaker 3: some noise about concerns that they're not going to quote

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Speaker 3: unquote meet the moment. And this is the first. It's

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Speaker 3: a big vote. I mean, this is something that Hakeem

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Speaker 3: Jeffries said definitely should happen. I mean, this was a

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Speaker 3: big vote and it could have passed if Democrats had

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Speaker 3: been there. So the Pelosi wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: Eleven Democrats were missing and. There is reporting, and again,

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Speaker 2: you can just tell me if you've heard this, that

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Speaker 2: basically the House Democratic whip, Catherine Clark, was throwing a

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Speaker 2: fundraising event at the same time.

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Speaker 3: The reporting I've seen from outlets that we trust is

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Speaker 3: that she was hosting something ahead of it at the root.

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Speaker 3: For EDW. Yes, and that they were trying to get

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Speaker 3: back for the vote, and there was some traffic there.

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Speaker 3: problems and there was a blockage. And so a bunch

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Speaker 3: of members missed the vote because they couldn't get to

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Speaker 3: the Capitol on time. So like that might be true,

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Speaker 3: but it's sort of not a great excuse. And to

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Speaker 3: be clear, Pelosi just went back to San Francisco to

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Speaker 3: go to a Veterans Day event.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question. Pelosi will not

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Speaker 2: be in the 120th Congress.

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Speaker 1: She's done.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder, though, when we talk about this, do

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Speaker 2: you know if this was long scheduled? Because there had

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Speaker 2: been some theory that perhaps Mike Johnson had called it

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Speaker 2: without giving notice. And so the reason these people got

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Speaker 2: stuck was because there was some kind of fuckery, for

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Speaker 2: lack of a better word.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, but I mean, it was on the schedule all day.

651
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Speaker 2: OK, so then the reporters had to do.

652
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Speaker 3: We knew all day that there was a 530 vote. Like,

653
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Speaker 3: so I don't know if he gave like maybe not

654
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Speaker 3: enough time to reschedule whatever event they were having at

655
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Speaker 3: the roost. But like since the morning, they knew that

656
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Speaker 3: this was going to be a 530.

657
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Speaker 2: Yeah. OK, well, then there you go. Then they knew

658
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Speaker 2: all day. So they knew all day. Catherine Clark had

659
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Speaker 2: an event that was overlapping with the vote. some Democrats

660
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:32,089
Speaker 2: went to it and were unable to get back for

661
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Speaker 2: the vote. And so the vote failed.

662
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Speaker 3: Correct. Now, again, to be clear, it failed because Republicans

663
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Speaker 3: all voted for it.

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Speaker 1: Right.

665
00:35:40,989 --> 00:35:41,549
Speaker 2: Right.

666
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Speaker 3: And like, and maybe Democrat, that was, that's the, so

667
00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 3: there was like two surprises here. It's surprising. I think

668
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Speaker 3: that partially Democrats assumed that some Republicans would break and

669
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Speaker 3: they wouldn't need every member present to, but it's just a, Look,

670
00:35:58,370 --> 00:36:01,450
Speaker 3: whatever it is, it's unfortunate for Democrats. It's just, and

671
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Speaker 3: then there was a lot of recriminations among Democrats against

672
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Speaker 3: each other. I saw Pat Ryan, he's a veteran, a

673
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: moderate from New York. He was in the hospital for

674
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Speaker 3: some back issue he was having. And he tweeted like,

675
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Speaker 3: I checked myself out in order to be here for this. Like,

676
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:23,509
Speaker 3: this is really important. You don't, like, I got out

677
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Speaker 3: of the hospital early to go and And then I

678
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 3: thought AOC was just saying it's really unfortunate and it

679
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:34,940
Speaker 3: shouldn't have happened. So they'll take this up again next year.

680
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Speaker 2: But couldn't they take it up now? Because, I mean, Massey,

681
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: can't Massey just bring it again?

682
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Speaker 4: It's a good question.

683
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:45,220
Speaker 2: Or do they have to do a discharge petition again?

684
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Speaker 2: Because the Republicans do control leadership. So Mike Johnson does

685
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Speaker 2: have some choices still.

686
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Speaker 3: Yes, he does. He can control the book. It's a

687
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: good question. Could Massey bring it up again?

688
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

689
00:36:57,820 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: I have to think about that. I'm not sure. But

690
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Speaker 3: I think the current plan is that Democrats will bring

691
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Speaker 3: it up on their own. And I saw some theorizing that,

692
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Speaker 3: you know, it's better to bring it up next year

693
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Speaker 3: when they'll have control of the Senate, when the Senate

694
00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:15,629
Speaker 3: can't just quickly dispatch it. Like this Senate would not

695
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Speaker 3: convict him, most likely. But even so, they could have

696
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:20,310
Speaker 3: done it next year again anyway.

697
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean... The thing that's interesting to me about

698
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Speaker 2: this situation is that it is going to go to

699
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Speaker 2: the House. It is going to pass the House. It

700
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Speaker 2: is going to go to the Senate. And there is

701
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Speaker 2: going to be a hearing to end all hearings, a

702
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Speaker 2: trial to end all trials. And at the end of

703
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Speaker 2: the day, one of the things that I think is

704
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Speaker 2: the most relevant and important here is that Pete Hexeth

705
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:48,130
Speaker 2: has alienated all the Democrats, but he's also alienated a

706
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Speaker 2: lot of the Republicans. Will you talk about that?

707
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Speaker 3: He has. I hear really no love for Pete Hegseth

708
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Speaker 3: on the Hill. I mean, they think that his rhetoric

709
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,500
Speaker 3: and his leadership of the Defense Department is... I mean,

710
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,979
Speaker 3: there's a real dichotomy. I've never seen such... remorse among

711
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: Republicans about having put him in there. So no, there's

712
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,299
Speaker 3: no love for Pete Hegseth at all. And they want

713
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Speaker 3: distance from the administration generally, and this is a great

714
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Speaker 3: way to do it. So that's that vote. But I was,

715
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking at it, I've been starting to

716
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Speaker 3: cover the new Democratic leadership and their opening moves. It's just,

717
00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 3: it was a disappointment after they spent, the Democratic caucus

718
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:38,379
Speaker 3: spent the morning in this raucous meeting where they were,

719
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Speaker 3: each delegation was introducing the new members from their state

720
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Speaker 3: and it was cheering and it was jubilant and then

721
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Speaker 3: just sort of a opening fail.

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Speaker 2: These Democrats are in or in D.C. and the new

723
00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:56,489
Speaker 2: members to more generally are in D.C. to get orientation

724
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Speaker 2: and also to vote on leadership. So talk to us

725
00:39:00,610 --> 00:39:04,020
Speaker 2: about the House side. This was Catherine Clark was somehow

726
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: involved in this fracas. She's number two. Yeah, she's the whip.

727
00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:13,420
Speaker 2: Pete Aguilar is number three. And and they're all running

728
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Speaker 2: for reelection to their leadership positions.

729
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Speaker 1: Right.

730
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Speaker 3: Yes, they're all, yes, unopposed. That's going to be the

731
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Speaker 3: leadership team. Catherine Clark will be the first female majority leader.

732
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Speaker 3: Hakeem Jeffries will be the first black speaker of the House.

733
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Speaker 3: And Pete Aguilar will be the highest ranked. Latino member

734
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Speaker 3: of the House in history. So all three are kind

735
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Speaker 3: of firsts. They came up together a few years ago

736
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Speaker 3: when the old leadership team stepped down and there's no

737
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Speaker 3: challenge to their leadership. So like these guys are going

738
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Speaker 3: to be in. There's a lot of noise right now.

739
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:51,750
Speaker 3: especially from the left on Jeffries. But there's no one

740
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Speaker 3: running against him.

741
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Speaker 2: There's no opposition.

742
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:56,469
Speaker 3: There's no opposition. So, I mean, it's still interesting to

743
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:59,419
Speaker 3: watch their whipping up. They have a whipping operation. They're

744
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Speaker 3: trying to get everyone on board. They're trying to do

745
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Speaker 3: this kind of unanimously behind closed doors. But they're even,

746
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Speaker 3: I mean, the people who don't want to vote for

747
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Speaker 3: him don't have a lot of leverage, like to negotiate

748
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Speaker 3: with him. Like he doesn't, He's got more than 218

749
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Speaker 3: people who will gladly vote for him. It's such a

750
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Speaker 3: big caucus.

751
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Speaker 1: Right.

752
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Speaker 3: He has such a huge majority. These squeaky wheels, so

753
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Speaker 3: to speak, would have had more leverage if Democrats had

754
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:35,230
Speaker 3: won the Congress by four votes, three votes. But with

755
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Speaker 3: such a large majority, they lose some of their negotiating power.

756
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Speaker 2: So I would love you to talk us through on

757
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Speaker 2: the Senate side, because on the Senate side, Chuck Schumer

758
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Speaker 2: does in fact have a challenger, and it's Chris Van Hollen.

759
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Speaker 2: And Chris Van Hollen is very popular. It's not like

760
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Speaker 2: you have a weirdo who's a challenger who doesn't, because again,

761
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Speaker 2: these are secret ballot, but they're also, they're a little

762
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Speaker 2: bit popularity contests.

763
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Speaker 3: But yeah, people kind of lump Jeffries and Schumer together

764
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Speaker 3: as People don't like the Democratic leaders in Congress. They

765
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Speaker 3: think they're establishment Democrats who are beholden to special interests

766
00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:18,250
Speaker 3: and they want something new. They're different. First of all,

767
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:21,509
Speaker 3: Jeffries has never done this job and he's a new generation.

768
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:25,090
Speaker 3: Schumer has been majority leader and he's in his 70s.

769
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Speaker 3: Jeffries in his 50s. Like Schumer, there does seem to

770
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:36,340
Speaker 3: be more of an argument of why change of leadership

771
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 3: in the Senate would be more necessary, would be appropriate.

772
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Speaker 3: And there's, and as you said, there's an opposition, there's

773
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Speaker 3: someone else.

774
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Speaker 2: Schumer has, I think, two very big problems besides the

775
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Speaker 2: ideological of like, and Van Hollen did in fact call

776
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Speaker 2: him out for, for that Schumer has sided with both

777
00:42:00,590 --> 00:42:03,390
Speaker 2: crypto and APAC. And you'll remember that Schumer has a

778
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:06,850
Speaker 2: daughter who works for OpenAI, used to work at Meta.

779
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:09,870
Speaker 2: So there is a lot of anxiety about a conflict

780
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: of interest there when Democrats need to come in and

781
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,100
Speaker 2: focus on conflict of interest. But also Schumer has a problem,

782
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,430
Speaker 2: which is just a math problem, which is that in Maine,

783
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:30,739
Speaker 2: Troy Jackson was not his pick. And in Michigan, Dr. El-Said,

784
00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:35,390
Speaker 2: not his pick. And in... There are a couple of

785
00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:37,170
Speaker 2: other states where.

786
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:40,029
Speaker 3: In South Carolina, Annie Andrews is dead. She's not going to...

787
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:40,989
Speaker 3: She doesn't support him.

788
00:42:41,530 --> 00:42:42,140
Speaker 2: We've seen.

789
00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:45,580
Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders says he's not going to support him. Alyssa

790
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,419
Speaker 3: Slotkin from Michigan says she wants something new.

791
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:49,690
Speaker 2: Still....

792
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:57,580
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing the numbers getting up to... Blumenthal said

793
00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:00,300
Speaker 3: he wants something. No, he's kind of back. No, Blumenthal.

794
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:01,540
Speaker 2: Oh, he's back on the team?

795
00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: Yes, he's back on the team. Okay. Yes, there's a

796
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:14,060
Speaker 3: real loud and large opposition to Schumer. But I'm not

797
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,779
Speaker 3: seeing that it's going to get to the numbers, unless

798
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: there's a jailbreak. I'm not seeing that it's going to

799
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Speaker 3: get to the numbers to have someone else.

800
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Speaker 2: And it's funny because it would be an easy way

801
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Speaker 2: to show voters that you're listening to them.

802
00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:31,550
Speaker 1: Yes.

803
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:36,549
Speaker 2: Right? Like an easy way. Van Holland is not some woke, wokey.

804
00:43:36,850 --> 00:43:40,780
Speaker 3: It would be a way to show voters, we hear you.

805
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:44,859
Speaker 3: They want generational change. They want change from the establishment,

806
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:48,859
Speaker 3: from the status quo. That being said, it's a, You know,

807
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,980
Speaker 3: I mean, the other argument is he just won a

808
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,870
Speaker 3: huge majority. Look, some of the candidates he was wrong about,

809
00:43:57,989 --> 00:44:01,290
Speaker 3: but some of them he deserves credit for. He certainly

810
00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:05,430
Speaker 3: deserves credit for recruiting Sherrod Brown and Mary Peltola.

811
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Speaker 2: Right. And he did, in fact, go around. His people

812
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:14,109
Speaker 2: have been working the phones, reminding everyone that he deserves

813
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: credit for Sherrod and Mary Peltola.

814
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: And raised a lot of money. You know, like, so,

815
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Speaker 3: and the argument that his supporters are making is like,

816
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Speaker 3: you win the Super Bowl, you get to keep being

817
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:29,220
Speaker 3: the coach.

818
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:30,660
Speaker 2: Right.

819
00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: And he won the Super Bowl. So, you know, I,

820
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: right now, I just don't, I think that the arguments

821
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: for new leadership in the Senate are legitimate. And I've heard,

822
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:45,450
Speaker 3: I've heard even progressives on the House side that I

823
00:44:45,469 --> 00:44:49,550
Speaker 3: talked to yesterday on the Hill. saying, calling for Schumer

824
00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:52,230
Speaker 3: to go, but not being as vociferous about Jeffries, even

825
00:44:52,270 --> 00:44:54,870
Speaker 3: if they don't really like him. It's just a different situation.

826
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Speaker 2: It's a different situation. He's new. And I also think, like,

827
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Speaker 2: it's just a, it's a total, Chuck has really, like,

828
00:45:03,219 --> 00:45:06,100
Speaker 2: he's probably not going to run for reelection. Right. This

829
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: is sort of his swan song. Right. And the idea

830
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Speaker 2: that older people are entitled to to get to do

831
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:18,739
Speaker 2: Congress when they want to, because whatever, that's quickly going

832
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: out of vogue.

833
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

834
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

835
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Speaker 3: But I think right now, I think I'll hang on.

836
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Speaker 3: But the Democrats don't have, look, we saw yesterday Republicans

837
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,740
Speaker 3: had their leadership elections. They reelected Thune to be leader

838
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:33,980
Speaker 3: in the Senate. They elected Jim Jordan to be leader

839
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: in the House. Democrats take their sweet time. And the

840
00:45:38,489 --> 00:45:42,819
Speaker 3: leadership elections in the Senate aren't till like December. So

841
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Speaker 3: we get to keep having this conversation for a few weeks.

842
00:45:45,739 --> 00:45:47,529
Speaker 2: Right.

843
00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:49,870
Speaker 3: We have a little time. And I honestly don't know

844
00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: why you would, what time would help you. But we

845
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,339
Speaker 3: won't know. This will kind of be unresolved there for

846
00:45:57,380 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: a little bit.

847
00:45:58,430 --> 00:46:02,149
Speaker 2: So let's just for another minute with leadership here. We

848
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:08,350
Speaker 2: know that Jim Hines is going to lead the investigations

849
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:11,469
Speaker 2: on the, he's going to be on Intel. I would

850
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:13,750
Speaker 2: love you to just talk about sort of who's going

851
00:46:13,770 --> 00:46:15,669
Speaker 2: to lead what committees as far as we know.

852
00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:19,379
Speaker 3: So the ones that like people should start paying attention

853
00:46:19,390 --> 00:46:25,020
Speaker 3: to are Robert Garcia at Oversight and Jamie Raskin at Judiciary.

854
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:32,989
Speaker 3: These Garcia and Raskin will be leading the investigations and

855
00:46:33,570 --> 00:46:38,140
Speaker 3: holding the administration accountable portion of next year in the House.

856
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: And that's going to be, you know, there's kind of

857
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:44,580
Speaker 3: two planks. They want to pass legislation to make life

858
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: more affordable. And there's some hope that they can pressure

859
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: Trump to sign that into law. But given that it's

860
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:56,150
Speaker 3: still a moment of divided government, Legislation can only go

861
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:59,370
Speaker 3: so far. Trump can still veto everything. So there's the

862
00:46:59,410 --> 00:47:04,790
Speaker 3: other plank that they've promised voters, which is holding the

863
00:47:04,810 --> 00:47:11,969
Speaker 3: administration accountable and launching investigations into individuals. So those are

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Speaker 3: the guys who are going to be deciding what to

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Speaker 3: go after, how much to go after them.

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Speaker 2: When you look at this Congress, What stands out to

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Speaker 2: you about the personalities? I'm struck by this story that

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Speaker 2: one of the newly elected guys was talking about how

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Speaker 2: he's saying Jeffrey's team was like, if you make trouble,

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Speaker 2: you're never going to be on any committee. You're going

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Speaker 2: to be a backbencher. It strikes me that because this

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Speaker 2: caucus is so large and because some of these candidates

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Speaker 2: were really not you know, these, they were not grown

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Speaker 2: in a lab. They were people who were running in

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Speaker 2: R plus 10, R plus 12, where they were just

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Speaker 2: running to run. And nobody thought they would win, that

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a fair bit of drama here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, we have a lot of kind of

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Speaker 3: accidental congressmen, like people who really didn't think they would

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Speaker 3: be in Congress who are like, oops, I won. And

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Speaker 3: no one thought they would be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We'll have some drama, but like that, that guy who

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Speaker 3: wrote that on He did a video saying they're strong-arming him,

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Speaker 3: they're threatening him. And I thought, you know, I had

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Speaker 3: a few reactions to that. It's kind of like, welcome

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Speaker 3: to the big leagues. Like, yes, if you're a freshman

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Speaker 3: and you vote against leadership, yeah, you're going to be

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Speaker 3: in a broom closet. Like, yes, correct. That's how it works.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of naivete about how the place functions.

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Speaker 3: But that is sort of.

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Speaker 2: Generally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little how it works.

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Speaker 2: Clearly my man has never seen Veep.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, this was, I just found that

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Speaker 3: interesting because the complaints about Jeffries are that he's remote

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Speaker 3: and cautious and doesn't have the strong, strong-arming tactics of Pelosi.

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Speaker 3: But this is good.

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Speaker 2: When I heard that, I was like, yes, wait it out.

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Speaker 3: And I don't, I haven't, I'm not sure exactly who

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Speaker 3: heard that. I've been trying to, figure that story out

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Speaker 3: and see like who actually made those threats. And I don't,

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Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure what that, what he's referring to. Um,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, there's going to be a lot of new people.

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Speaker 3: I was actually, um, look at the DSA. Look, the

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Speaker 3: thing about this huge Congress is every faction thinks that

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Speaker 3: they get to be kind of the controlling voice because

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Speaker 3: everyone won. When you win this big, you can be like,

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Speaker 3: this victory is because of moderates. This victory is because

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Speaker 3: of veterans, because of women. Like everyone thinks it was us, right?

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Speaker 3: Because it was, it was everybody. So every group is

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Speaker 3: trying to exert their power and say, we won this majority.

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be interesting. And Democrats are going

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Speaker 3: to Democrat, right? Like, Right now it's unity and they

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Speaker 3: all want to do something on affordability. But beyond the

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Speaker 3: first hundred hours of like passing these things that are

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Speaker 3: kind of just trying to unroll some of Trump's worst hits,

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Speaker 3: then what? Annie Carney, we're out of time, but you

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Speaker 3: are awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Molly.

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Speaker 4: And now your moment of suffering.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 5: So this is I found really, really disturbing. There was

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Speaker 5: a watchdog for democracy called the Electoral Integrity Project had

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Speaker 5: warned a while ago that North Carolina is no longer

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Speaker 5: a democracy. And as the vote shakes out there, we're

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Speaker 5: starting to see it because North Carolina Dems won the

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Speaker 5: state Senate by 18 points in the popular vote, yet

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Speaker 5: will not have control.

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Speaker 4: That seems it's so insane.

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Speaker 2: It's so and they sent a Democrat to the Senate.

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Speaker 2: And this is what happens when Republicans can't win.

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Speaker 1: They cheat.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're seeing here. We saw this. Remember

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Speaker 2: when in Wisconsin, when Scott Walker lost, he did something

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Speaker 2: similar to this. This is something we see when on

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Speaker 2: their way out, they try to make life as anti-democratic

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Speaker 2: for the Democrats who won on the fact that they

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Speaker 2: are anti-democratic themselves. So look, unsurprising, completely disturbing. And, you know, again,

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Speaker 2: Democrats are going to have to go in there and

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Speaker 2: make sure to fix all of this stuff, make it

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Speaker 2: so that it is too big to rig, make things illegal.

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Speaker 2: Don't make it just norms. Make it legal. You know,

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Speaker 2: fix the laws, not just the norms, because we now

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Speaker 2: know that Republicans, if they can get back in office,

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Speaker 2: will try this again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we should say in previous elections, When Roy Cooper

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Speaker 5: got power, they stripped a lot of the power away

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Speaker 5: from the governor because he became a Democrat governor. The

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Speaker 5: governor is not allowed to veto Senate maps. And this election,

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Speaker 5: the control of the Senate right now, we'll see how

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Speaker 5: it shakes out after all the ballots are. But it's

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Speaker 5: within hundreds of votes of who is going to control it.

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Speaker 5: And yet 18 point win in the popular vote.

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Speaker 4: That's just insanity.

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Speaker 3: Insanity.

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