1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm. 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Strong and Getty and he. 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Gehetty Strong and taking a national federal holiday off. 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: It's Armstrong in Getty. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, And you have a unique special opportunity that's 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: a little word done on anyway to enjoy a carefully 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: curated selection of Armstrong and Getty replays. Enjoy. 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: So yesterday was the twenty year anniversary of me losing 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: my desire to drink alcohol completely. And I'll explain how 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: it happened that day. And I don't understand it. It 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: makes no sense to me. If I heard somebody else 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: talk about it, I would think they were a crackpot. 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: I if you know me, I'm not the kind of 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: person who believes this sort of crap. But this is 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: what happened to me. 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 2: So here you go. 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: I think I've told this story before, but I'll tell again. 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: So I was exactly five months sober Gladdys twenty years ago. 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: I was exactly five months sober, just coincidentally when I 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: headed out on a vacation. Now I happened to be 22 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: going to Russia on vacations. But don't get distracted by that. 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: That's really got nothing to do with the story. But 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: that's where I was going. And I was a little 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: worried because if you're a drinker, vacationing and drinking like 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: really fit together hand in glove. Yes, I mean, an 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: airport is just a giant bar with planes. Really always 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: had been for me, and I was a little concerned 29 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: about that, but I was feeling so solid after five months, 30 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: I wasn't really worried about it or whatever for whatever reason. 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: And luckily, there's like no alcohol in Russia. Drinking's not 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: of that. 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: I'd had a few i'd really like to drink during 34 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: the previous five months, but it hadn't really been bad. 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: And so anyway, I want to go on vacation and 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: I get on the plane at SFO. The second the 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: wheels come up off the tarmac, I get hit with 38 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: that desire to drink that if you're a drunk, you know, 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 3: is just like overwhelming. It's like you want air, like 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: you want food, like you want every It's just like 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: and I thought, oh crap, this is not good. I mean, 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 3: I was just hit with this because it's an international flight, 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: got booze. You know, I have a whole thing that's 44 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: gonna be on the plane for many, many, many hours whatever. 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: But so I didn't drink, but I really really wanted to, 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: and I was a little kind of concerned about it. 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: So I get to my vacation destination. The only thing 48 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: I can think about is drinking. I mean, it's just 49 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: it's the only thing I can think about. See, how 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: do I get to my hotel, and I'm sure would 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: like a drink? And how do I get a cab? 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: Sure would like to drink right now? We're gonna have 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: to have lunch here soon. Maybe I can get a 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: cup of coffee. Man, would I like to drink? I mean, 55 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 3: it was the only thing on my mind. I get 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 3: to my hotel, I go to a I'm gonna go 57 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: to a museum. I go to a little lunch spot. 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: I order a beer because I want a drink. I'm 59 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: gonna drink. I've decided I'm gonna drink. I order a beer, 60 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: comes to the lunch I sit there. I ate the 61 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: sandwich because I really also don't want to drink, because 62 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: I know I'm an alcoholic and I gotta quit. The 63 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: beer is sitting there and watching the bubbles go up 64 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: to the top of the glass while I ate my sandwich, 65 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: wanting to drink with every fiber in my body. But 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: I get up and I leave that and I leave 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: that beer behind, So okay, I'm kind of okay. Now 68 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: I got past that, all right, Everything's fine. And then 69 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: I do a little walking around sight singing. Then lka, 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: I really really really want to effing drink. I mean, 71 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: I freaking want to drink. I walk into a grocery store. 72 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: I walk back to the aisle, I get a bottle 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: of vodka. I go up to the get in line 74 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: at the grocery store. I'm holding my bottle of vodka. 75 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: I think, you know, this is gonna be freaking awesome. 76 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk around Moscow or Saint Petersburg with a 77 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: bottle of vodka, sipping at my bottle of vodka, and. 78 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: Join the site. 79 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: This is gonna be the greatest day ever. I can't 80 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: wait to drink. And I'm standing in line, but the. 81 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: Line is moving so slow. I don't know what the 82 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: problem is. 83 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: Hurry up, what is the problem? 84 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: And I finally I sit down the vodka. I walk out. 85 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: There's gotta be an easier way. But on the walking 86 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: out it kind of goes away and I think I'll 87 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: bring in Thank god I didn't buy the bottle of vodka. 88 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: Back onto my tourism or whatever. Back comes the urge 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: to drink very very strong. I walk into a bar 90 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: where here's the first really weird. I don't believe in 91 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: this sort of thing that happened to me. I walk 92 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: into a bar and I'm looking at myself from above, 93 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: like a cool artsy camera shot looking down on myself 94 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: walking into the bar. I walk up to the bar, 95 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: to the bar tender and order a beer, and I'm 96 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: watching it from above. 97 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. 98 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: If my brain broke or something. Something weird's going on, 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: but that's what happened to me. 100 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: Well, you know this is dime store amateur analysis, obviously, 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: and I would laugh it off, but you're of two minds, clearly. Yeah, 102 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: and the one of he is walking up to the 103 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: bar and the other one's looking at the guy walking 104 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: up to the bar. Yeah, I mean that's something ye 105 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: two three, Yes, crazy. 106 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: Like the devil and Angel on shoulder head. 107 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it's exactly like that. 108 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And uh so I watched myself walk up to 109 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: the bar, and now I'm back in my body. I'm 110 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: at the bar. I ordered the beer, and while the guy, 111 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 3: I'm the only person in the place, which is my 112 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: favorite kind of drinking in a bar, by the way, 113 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: only person there, and the guys got his back to me, 114 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: and he's pulling the handle, filming the beer up. 115 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: And while he's doing that, I think I. 116 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 3: Got to get out of here, and I turn around 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: and I just leave, and he probably curses me under 118 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: his breath in Russian after I leave. So kind of 119 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: go back and forth with the desires to drink again 120 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 3: throughout the days colder than the than hell. It's snowing 121 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: like crazy, and it's it's winter out time, and I'm 122 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: outside and I'm pacing in front of Tolstoy's house and 123 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: I really was at home. He wasn't home. I thought 124 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: he could help, which is at the war of the 125 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: piece helping, and I'm pacing back and forth, wanting to 126 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: go in there and do the tourist thing, but I just. 127 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: So. 128 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: I called somebody, a fellow person who has quit drinking, 129 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: and he said, you got to get to you got 130 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: to get to around some other alcoholics and talk to them. 131 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: Somehow you got to find a way. And we had 132 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: conveniently actually looked up some places to talk to other 133 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: alcoholics before I left, but I had conveniently forgotten that 134 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: or put it out of my mind. But when he 135 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 3: reminded me of that, I thought, oh, yeah, right, So 136 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: I decide to find this church. It's now dark. I 137 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: don't know my way around Russia. I don't speak the 138 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: language I've talked about that before traveling. There was just 139 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: nightmarriash because I just I couldn't figure anything out. 140 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: But I find God a different alphabet, so you can't 141 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: even like think, oh, that's the same root word. 142 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: As there is nothing else. So it was really aweso. 143 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: But I had a map and I figured out how 144 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: a clear cross town. Trudging over there in the snow, 145 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: in the dark, so cold, I finally find this church 146 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: where I'm going to meet some other alcoholics, so I can, 147 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 3: you know, hopefully make it through the day. And it's 148 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: dark and locked up, and I can't figure out what's 149 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: going on, and I'm thinking the schedule's wrong or something. 150 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: And I'm walking around this church and I walk around 151 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: it several times. It's got these iron fence around it 152 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: with gates. I walk around, I walk around, I walk around, 153 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: and there's a bar over there, and I finally decide, Okay, 154 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: this is a sign from God. If this church isn't 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: available to me, then I'm supposed to drink and I'm 156 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: going over that bar and we are going to get it. 157 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: On my last trip around to the church, there's a big, 158 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: giant Russian guy standing there and he looks at me 159 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: in the dark in the snow and says alcoholic. And 160 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: I said yeah, and he points toward the church and 161 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: I walk into the church and I hadn't heard a 162 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: word of English now in several days. Some guy from 163 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: Boston who I get to know, sticks his head out 164 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: and he. 165 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: Said, hey, you're looking for an alcoholic. 166 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: And at that moment, I know, I know God, I know, 167 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: And at that moment I heard a popping sound in 168 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: my head. A feeling of calm came over me, and 169 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: I haven't had the slightest desire to drink ever since. 170 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: And that is my story. 171 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: Wow, And I have no idea what that means, why 172 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: it happened, how you would get it to happen to 173 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: other somewhat else. Who's a drug, edictor alcoholic or whatever. 174 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: I have no idea. 175 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: All I know is that is exactly what happened to. 176 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: Me that day. This is just my opinion, but I 177 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: think you were healed. Yeah, yeah, could be. 178 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: It's one of the biggest cliches on the planet. 179 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: But that is like the ultimate example of everything happens 180 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: for a reason, like multiple times in a row. 181 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: I like that one, Michael, that I was healed. Yeah, 182 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: religious intervention there in that church in Saint Petersburg, the 183 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: hand of God, I don't. 184 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: Know, and people trying to do God's worth work on earth. 185 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah you know as well. Yeah, yeah, wow, that's I 186 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 2: got chills. That's amazing. It gives me chills every time 187 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 2: I tell that. 188 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: And I lived it right, And it's been twenty years 189 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: since I've had the slightest desire to drink. When it 190 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: had dominated my life for the pre twenty two there 191 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: wasn't a moment I either didn't want to drink or 192 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to get over the last hangover for 193 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: twenty two years. 194 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then it's just completely gone. Right, 195 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: And I know, we have a friend in common who's 196 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: one of my best friends, and collaborators in creative projects 197 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: who had, you know, a different road. But he's like, 198 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: oh no, I never think about it, and I have 199 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: no desire to. Why would I ever want to do 200 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: that after, you know, being in a bit of a 201 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: dicey situation for quite some time. You know, that's what's 202 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: what you pray for people who are who are bothered 203 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: tortured by, you know, addiction. 204 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: I wish I had more knowledge from that than could 205 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: be of any help to you know, all this stuff 206 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: about all the people on the street, and you need 207 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: to get him into rehabit and blah blah blah. I 208 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: know so many people who failed everything like that. I 209 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: don't even know why I don't drink anymore so I 210 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: can help anybody else, right. The fact that I heard 211 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: a weird popping sound and when I think about it, 212 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: I can feel the feeling of just like it leaving 213 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 3: my body from oad ahead. 214 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: It's weird. Wow, boy, I almost want to throw out 215 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: like five different explanations from the entirely physical to the 216 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: entirely metaphysical, and we could go from there, but I 217 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: think everybody's got their own list in their head. 218 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: The fact that you saw yourself from above I know, 219 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: I don't believe in that sort of crap at all 220 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 3: at all. 221 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just it. Yeah, But I think we've 222 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: all had experiences where we think, look at me, look 223 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: what I'm doing? What am I thinks? And yours just 224 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: was translated into visual cortex of your brain or something. 225 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 226 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: I think there's something to do with the intensity, but 227 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: I think it got It was so intense. I actually 228 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: believe I left this part out of the story because 229 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: I actually I believed it then and I believe it now. 230 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: If I drank that day, that was the end I 231 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: was going to die. I just I know how I am. 232 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: I was in a dangerous city, in a dangerous country. 233 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: I know what I look for in the world, in 234 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: trouble with hanging around bad people in bad places. I 235 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: just feel like I'm gonna die. I'm either gonna live, 236 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna die. So it wasn't just a drink or 237 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: don't drink it. Are we gonna liver? 238 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: We need die. 239 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: That That's what I was thinking in my head. It 240 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: was a hell of a good chance. 241 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna end up in a 242 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: prison or whatever, right right, or just having a snot 243 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: beat out of you. That would be like the best 244 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: case scenario and pennyless. 245 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: And note that it actually happened to the Boston guy 246 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: that oh really said, hey, you're looking for me? He 247 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: got his leg broken by some guys in the middle 248 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: of the night when he was running around. 249 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: Or yeah, because it's not like you were in the 250 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: mood for just a quick beer just nerves. No, no, no, 251 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: I know you were. 252 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: You were ready to walk around with a bottle of Vodkas. 253 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: Well that's that was my style. 254 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: Yes, right, okay, yeah, wow, uh, permission end on a 255 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: humorous note. Sure, mister Sherman. So when you're walking around 256 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: the church and you said to yourself, look there's a bar, 257 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: it's a message from God. God was thinking, Look, some 258 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: guy bought a building across from the church and decided 259 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: to open the bar. That's how real estate, weren't you idiot. 260 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: That's not a sign of any It's really a zoning thing. 261 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: It's more an economic opportunity than a sign from me. 262 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: But what. 263 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 2: You believe, what you want to believe. 264 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty show. 265 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: The New York Times talking about these influencers. Both of 266 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: both of these stories are about quote unquote influence culture, 267 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: whether it's on Instagram, which is huge, or TikTok or 268 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: x or whatever. And they mentioned a couple that, of 269 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: course I've never heard of, because I'm mostly repulsed by 270 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: all of that and it seems phony and shallow and 271 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: stupid to me. But they made that A couple of 272 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: these people's Lil Mikayla and Mia Zelu have millions of 273 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: followers and are generating serious income despite the fact that 274 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: they don't exist. They're entirely created by AI. Oh wow, when. 275 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi, whoever came up with this idea first, and 276 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: that might have been two months ago, was really smart. 277 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: Why didn't I do that as soon as our friend 278 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: Craig showed us how to do the AI thing. I 279 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: should have created an influencer. Yeah, good looking dude who 280 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: can play the guitar or whatever, and then built a 281 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: thing around him. 282 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: Right, But it's like super conservative or whatever. Yeah, maga 283 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 2: guitar gym here with another you know, whatever the hell 284 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: he's wearing a red, white and blue cowboy hat, I 285 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: assume anyway, So, for instance, Nancy Pelosi was at the 286 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: Outside Lands Music's festival taking selfies and took a selfie 287 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: with the popular influencer has two point four million followers. 288 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: Me vibing to Gracey Adams and I look up and 289 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: it's literally speaker, Pelosi said. The influencer goes by Lowell 290 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: Mikayla as she captured the photo in which the two 291 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: are seen smiling. 292 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: Catch, of course, is that she isn't real. 293 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: She's one of a slew of influencers created through AIO 294 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: have gained popularity in recent years, despite the fact that 295 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: they don't exist. Me A Zulu Zelu Zelu, a blonde haired, 296 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: blue eyed AI influencer with one hundred and sixty seven 297 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: thousand followers, recently made headlines for attending Wimbledon. A recent 298 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: report by the online creation platform cap Wing found that 299 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: a computer generated celebrities are amassing millions of followers and 300 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: millions of dollars in revenue for the teams behind them. 301 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: This has got to be scaring the hell out of 302 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: actual influencers that WHOA is this over? 303 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: Already? Is the era of the influencer? Did it come 304 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: and go? This quickly? Listen to this? Would Ja, a 305 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: Brazilian AI influencer with more an eight million Instagram followers 306 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: who serves as the voice of the Brazilian retailer Magaloo. 307 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: Rakes in thirty four thousand dollars per post, while Low Mikayla, 308 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: who again doesn't exist, makes about seventy thirty thousand, well, 309 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: seventy four thousand dollars per post. Hey, I just got 310 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: a cute little handbag. It's absolutely amazing. Goes with all 311 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: my outfits. I was out clubbing, blah blah blah, and 312 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: here it is seventy four thousand dollars per for this 313 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: quote unquote influencer who doesn't exist. 314 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: You know what, it'd be good as a fake little 315 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: kid that tries out toys, you know how. I like 316 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: the baby's the baby I saw one the other day. 317 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: This one was impossible to not like. You'd have to 318 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: have a heart of stone to not like because it 319 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: was babies. Me, I think that's entertainment for idiots. I'd 320 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: reject the entire genre. But there's nothing cuter than babies laughing. 321 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: And there were these were babies telling jokes to each 322 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: other and they were laughing, and the laughing. 323 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: Baby might get me. 324 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: The laughing babies was one hundred percent dead on. And 325 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you can't not enjoy a baby laughing. But 326 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: these babies were telling each other like corny jokes and 327 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: just dying laughing. Oh I enjoyed that. But if you 328 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: could create a fake baby who's trying out baby products, 329 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: oh that's a gold mine. 330 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: So this little michaela thing I was introduced in twenty sixteen, 331 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: maybe the original AI influencer, has appeared on magazine covers, 332 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: released music, and served as the face of campaigns for 333 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: Calvin Klein and Prada, all while purporting to be a 334 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: Brazilian American teen from Downey, California. She now identifies as 335 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: twenty two, created by a tech company called Dapper Labs, 336 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: which specializes in creating video games and collectibles. Whatever the 337 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: hell that means. 338 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: You want to hear one of the jokes that the 339 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: babies told. The baby told the other babies to fake laugh, 340 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: I absolutely do. 341 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: Yes. 342 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: Babys sitting there at the straight face talking to his 343 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 3: baby friends. Oh boy, our dog ate all the scrabble pieces. 344 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: The other day, we had to take him to the vet. 345 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: No word yet, she is, and is that's all right, 346 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: mister president. 347 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good joke. That's that that is I'm 348 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: going to tell that to my wife as soon as 349 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: we're done here, and she would laugh like a little baby. 350 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe, The Armstrong and Getty Show, The 351 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Yetdy Show. 352 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: We're talking about the hypnogogic state, Jack, which is of 353 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: course idaho no I kid's state of mind, a state 354 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: of being. I don't know why I'm talking in this voice. 355 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: Say the word again. I think it's pronounced hypnagogic or gogic. Okay, 356 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: hypna and then gog ic. What do you think it's Greek? Right, hypnaggic? 357 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: I don't know anyway. It's the twilight zone between sleep 358 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: and wakefulness, and there is ample evidence that it's like 359 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: the most creative space your brain can be in. 360 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: Usually we're talking about usually when you're waking. 361 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: Up, I guess, well, yeah, yeah, falling asleep, waking up, 362 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: or in drifting between sleep and wakefulness. They give a 363 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: couple of examples. Famously, Paul McCartney came up for the 364 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: entire melody. He woke up with the entire melody for 365 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: Yesterday in his head, and he I had not realized this. 366 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: He jumped straight out of bed, sat down at his piano, 367 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: picked out the melody on the keys, found the course 368 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: to go with the melody, and created some holdinges of phrases, 369 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: famously scrambled eggs I think instead of yesterday because he 370 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: knew he won three syllables as holding phrases. As songwriters 371 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: called him, it's funny. I'd never heard that phrase anyway before. 372 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 2: He wrote proper lyrics to fifth the melody. But he 373 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: was so weirded out by it. And I'd never heard 374 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: this before, he recalled, and I quote Macca himself. For 375 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: about a month, I went around to people in the 376 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: music business and asked them whether they had ever heard 377 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: it before. I thought of no one claimed it. After 378 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: a few weeks, then I could have it. But he 379 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: was kind of surprised that it sprang from his mind 380 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: and not memory. Yeah, yeah, I could see how you 381 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: think I must have. 382 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: Heard this somewhere. 383 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny. This guy either doesn't know where, 384 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: he doesn't mention it, and he's a British he's like 385 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: the head of this psychology department at a British university. 386 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 2: A lecture and he didn't mention that. Keith Richards wrote Satisfaction, 387 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: the Riff and Everything. When he woke up in the 388 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: middle of the night. He woke up in the morning 389 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: to see that his entire tape from his cassette recorder 390 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: was all the way toward the played end or recorded end, 391 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: like it had run out of tape. And he's like, 392 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: what the hell, why was my Why does my tape 393 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: look like that? He rewound it and listened to it, 394 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 2: and he had zero memory of playing that riff in 395 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: the middle of the night. 396 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: That song would have never existed if he hadn't decided 397 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: to record it. I am definitely learned that if you have, 398 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: you know, those kind of moments, whether you're waking up 399 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: or any time, man, you got to write them down 400 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: or they're gone. 401 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: That is one of the points they make Jack, you're 402 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 2: a hundred parts right, I know you're done it. Myself thought, yeah, 403 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: I'll wake up, I'll remember this because it's so good. Yeah, Yanke, I. 404 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: Know your only point isn't about songwriting, but I know 405 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: most of the great songwriters talk about this idea that 406 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 3: like the songs are in, you know, in the universe, 407 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: and they show themselves and you've got to grab them 408 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: when you get a chance to grab them, or that's 409 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: your only option, which is a weird concept. 410 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, I was awake in the middle of the 411 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: night when I wrote Sweet Home, Alabama. They stole it 412 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: from me, those long haired bas cast but hippies. Yeah, 413 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: that's okay, I know in my heart I wrote it. 414 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: But anyway, So this hypnogogic state where you're like almost 415 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: asleep and half awake, they think it uncouples your conscious 416 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: mind from concerns and you know, worrying through the things 417 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: you have to do, and just your worries and cares 418 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, and your creative mind is 419 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: able to just process more openly. They did this study 420 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one where participants in a hypnogogic state 421 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: were three times more likely to discover the hidden rule 422 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: that could solve a mathematical problem. Now, I've never participated 423 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: in that sort of mathematical riddle before. I can't really 424 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: relate to it. But again, the people in that sleepy 425 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: headed state were three times more likely to discover the 426 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: hidden rule have it occur to them. Psychologists associate creativity 427 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: with qualities such as openness to experience and cognitive flexibility. 428 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: Others have suggested that creativity arises from coordination between the 429 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: agitive control network of the brain, which deals with planning 430 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: and problem solving, and the default mode network, which is 431 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: associating with daydreaming and mind wandering. I think it. 432 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 3: It's got to have something to do with it. These 433 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: thoughts about math or music or whatever ideas you have 434 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: aren't being blocked out by the you know, the problems 435 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: of the moment that you're dealing with all day long, 436 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: obscuring them. Sure, yeah, before you wake up enough to think, 437 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: oh god, it's Thursday. That's right, I have a test 438 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: and I got to pick up my kid and all 439 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: these different things. 440 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 2: For a brief period, our mental boundaries are permeable, and 441 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: there is chance a chance creative insights and ideals will 442 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: flow through from the subliminal mind. Here's where I get 443 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: even more militant, just for myself. I'm not talking about 444 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: you people, just talking about myself and kind of the 445 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: people I care about, who I will lecture. This is 446 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 2: why creativity is often associated with relaxation and idleness. When 447 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: we relax, our conscious minds usually less active. Often when 448 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: we are busy or looking at a screen, our minds 449 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: are full of chattering thoughts, so there is no space 450 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 2: for creative insights to flow through. That is why meditation 451 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: is strongly associated also with creativity. Perhaps more importantly, meditation 452 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: quiets and softens the conscious minds, so we're more liable 453 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: to receive inspiration from beyond it. That is so interesting. 454 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: I have become an absolute advocate for boredom every single day. 455 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 2: Make yourself bored done. If I'm standing wow, wow, that 456 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: is scathing and hilarious, Michael, that is my highest grade 457 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: for sarcastic hilarity. Every day, if I'm waiting for the 458 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: doctor to come into the waiting room, I do not 459 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: look at my phone. I look around at the posters 460 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: trying to sell me on botox or a new knee 461 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: or whatever the hell, and I intentionally don't occupy my mind. 462 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do that every single day. And you know, 463 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: you do it if you want, don't do it if 464 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: you don't want to. But I really I've become a 465 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: believer that you've got to let your mind unwind. And 466 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: it takes a minute. 467 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're an advocate for meditation, Jack, and 468 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 3: I'm ready to say, every single day for twenty minutes. Yeah, 469 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 3: I rarely miss, and if I do miss, at this point, 470 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: it's almost intolerable. So I don't know what happened there, 471 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 3: but if I miss a day, it is so freaking noticeable. Yeah, 472 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: So I do it every day, usually right when we 473 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: get off off the air, I go plug in my 474 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: Tesla and sit there and I meditate for twenty minutes. 475 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: I actually do this thing where I write down it's 476 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: a suggestion from some people. Write down my fears and 477 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: resentments on a piece of paper, handwritten, then meditate for 478 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 3: twenty minutes. And huge part of my life at this point. 479 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: I remember one year, your Christmas present to me was 480 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: you wrote Joe's an add five hundred times in a 481 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: row and you put it in a nice frame and 482 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: he gave it to me. And that was really that 483 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: was nice. That was nice. You took the time special Christmas. Yeah, 484 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: it was a very special Christmas, Michael. 485 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: So I do the kind of meditation where you have 486 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: a mantra you go back to. That's the only meditation 487 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: that's ever worked for me. And I've tried every other 488 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: kind that exists, and I just couldn't do it. But 489 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: the mantra kind, I can is it one mantra or 490 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: do you have? Does it change? It's one they give 491 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: it to you. You have to keep it secret. Okay, 492 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 3: it's the whole thing sounds like a scam. Like I've 493 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 3: talked about before. You have to pay to get your mantra, 494 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 3: which just sounds scam olicious. All I know is that 495 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: it's the only meditation that's ever worked, and I it's 496 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 3: made my life better, so it was worth it. 497 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: Mine is in a Gotta da Vah very old classic 498 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: rock reference. The other thing I do is when I 499 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: and this is an ironic thing to say, and I 500 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: probably shouldn't, but there are a lot of podcasts that 501 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 2: I absolutely love. I know I always claim there's just 502 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 2: one arse, but usually I try once a day when 503 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: I'm walking Baxter, just to look at the trees, look 504 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: at the leaves, look at the sky, look at the grass, 505 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: just take in the world. It calms me. 506 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: Do you find it so does a great podcast on us? 507 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: Do you find it at all hard to do? 508 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: Sometimes? Yes? 509 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I have. 510 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: To remind myself this is why you do this, and 511 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: it's a good idea. 512 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 3: My example of that I used. I've told this story 513 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 3: many times, and this is way before podcasts stuff like that. 514 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: When my mind was much slower, when I used to 515 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: do a lot of motorcycle trips, and I on the motorcycle, 516 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 3: I didn't have any sort of mechanism for listening to 517 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 3: music or podcasts or any of it. Yea, it was 518 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: just my own brain. And I've done a lot of Katie. 519 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: This was years ago, nineteen ninety eight. I rode to Sturgis, 520 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: so I rode Harley all the way out. I went 521 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 3: through Kansas. When up Sturgis came back to South Gone, 522 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: I did forty five hundred miles totally. That's a lot 523 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: of miles. When I would first start out on a trip, 524 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: it was just painful to be there just with my thoughts, 525 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 3: just like, how am I gonna do this? 526 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: All day long? Just staring at the roads, my own thoughts. 527 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 3: But once I'd get in the groove, I could go 528 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: for hours easily without effort, and then I would go 529 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: to sleep. In the next day, do another eight ten 530 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: hours in the saddle effortlessly, but then like a couple 531 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: of days of normal life. Next trip, first hour. So 532 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 3: just painful. Getting your mind to slow down to where 533 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 3: you can do that is not easy. But once you do, 534 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: once you get in that zone, you can do it. 535 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: Farmers probably you know, back in the day behind a 536 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 3: mule for fifteen hours, probably easy for him. 537 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: Start thinking, Man, this mule's got a nice ass, so 538 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: you gotta be careful. It cuts both ways. 539 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 3: And for people who would think that would be you know, 540 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 3: there was nothing to do. Life was so boring. How 541 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: many of them needed anxiety medicine or wanted to hang 542 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: themselves at the end of the day or whatever. 543 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: Very few, Katie's missing the really beautiful point you're making 544 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: here is my fault. 545 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 3: It's because I'm a child, all right. That was funny. 546 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 3: I never ended a day of alone with my own thoughts, 547 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: like on those motorcycle trips or camping or whatever, where 548 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 3: I'm like anxious in wish I were dead. 549 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: Ye Ever, no, well said. 550 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 4: See, my mom has been recommending meditation to me since 551 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: I don't even remember how long it's been. But I 552 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 4: have a real problem with the whole shutting it down. 553 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 3: Well that's why, Yeah, I me too. 554 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: It was surprised because it just seems so placid. It 555 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: was awful until I came across this. You know, I'm not. 556 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: I don't make any money off of pitching TM as 557 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 3: a meditation. They charge you for it. It's weird. You 558 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: have to bring a fresh fruit, a white piece of cloth, 559 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: and a flower. 560 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: I know you're giving me that. Look that sounds insane, 561 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: sounds like a picnic. It's one of those white elephant 562 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: gift exchanges for Christmas, and they charge you based on 563 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: how much money you make. Wow. 564 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: Okay, and so I paid over a thousand bucks for 565 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: this class. Well, I mean it sounds like it's doing 566 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: a lot of good though. It's one of the best 567 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 3: things I've ever been in my wife. 568 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: Okay, wow, Well, got your money's worth. 569 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: That's what I always tell people. 570 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 5: I say, it's got scam written all over it, and 571 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 5: the hole you got to keep it secret. 572 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: To me. 573 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: It's like, if you care about people like being placid, 574 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 3: why didn't you give this away for free? Why are 575 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: you charging money? 576 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: But whatever, whatever, I'm not. 577 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 3: Worried about that. It just it works for me kind 578 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: of free. Is it a whole watermelon or that what 579 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: I was thinking? I think I brought an apple, a 580 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: white handkerchief, and then some flowers. 581 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: Final note from this article. Because it's pretty good, we 582 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: can also use the technique of conscious napping to generate ideas. 583 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: Whenever the great inventor Thomas Edison was stuck for a 584 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: solution or new idea, he would allow himself to drift 585 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: it into unconsciousness while holding a metal ball as he 586 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: fell asleep. The ball would clatter to the ground and 587 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: awake him when he would often find that a new 588 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: insight had emerged. 589 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: Wow, now that's an interesting one. 590 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: I actually heard Michael Savage talk about that once years ago. 591 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: More generally, we should use idleness as a way of 592 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: cultivating creativity. Don't think of napping or relaxing as a 593 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: waste of time. To Jack's point, far from being unproductive, 594 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: this may lead to the most inspired ideas and insights 595 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: of our lives. That's what I'm going to do on 596 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: our vacation, a whole lot of just thinking. That's my plan. 597 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: And I don't really need inspired creative insights to invent 598 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: something new or write a melody or whatever. But being 599 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: you know, happy is a worthwhile goal. Content better word. 600 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're here. 601 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: I mean I got like, I know the kind of 602 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 3: guy you are, similar to the kind of guy I am. 603 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: If somebody tells you, okay, I'll teach you how to meditate, 604 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: but I need you to bring a clean, white piece 605 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: of cloth a piece of fruit and a flower, and 606 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: I'm going to charge you based on your income. 607 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: Doesn't that just immediately make you think what? 608 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 3: Yes? 609 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes it does. It sounds like a cult. 610 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: That's that's what my son calls it, because I've been 611 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: trying to get him to meditate because he his mind 612 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: just tortures him. And I'm not going to do your 613 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: cult voodoo because he knows about the cloth and the fruit. 614 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: I remember there was a great deal of concern about 615 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: TM in the seventies probably or eighties, early eighties in 616 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: my church community which I grew up. 617 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 3: What were they afraid it was doing? 618 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: Uh? Taking you in a different direction than Christianity in short. 619 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: As a substitute. I could see how that could happen. Yeah, 620 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: if you're guess, if you're, if you're you know, if 621 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 3: you're going to church to be like content and the 622 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: meditation works, maybe you stop going to church. That could 623 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: be their concern. 624 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: I suppose. Yeah, my recollection was at that point in 625 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: my life. I was on interested in getting a girlfriend 626 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: and winning baseball games, so I didn't I wasn't personally 627 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: very concerned about it. 628 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: And one final pitch is watch any of Jerry Seinfeld's 629 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: long videos about TM they're pretty damned interesting. Or Jennifer Aniston, 630 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: who says she'd rather soft for arm than give up 631 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: her mantra she does the TMO. 632 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: Okay Arm, the Armstrong and Getty Show. 633 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: So my kids and I toured a salt mine on vacation. 634 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 3: There's a salt mine in the middle of Kansas. And 635 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 3: if you're a film buff, you know this because this 636 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: is where all the ancient, old, well known films. 637 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: Are stored, like The Wizard of Oz, et cetera. 638 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 3: Because way down in the salt mine, temperature controlled, humidity controlled, 639 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 3: nothing decays, it doesn't deteriorate. That had a newspaper down there, 640 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 3: the New York Times from the day after Lincoln was shot, 641 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: and it was looking like looking at a newspaper from 642 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: that day. 643 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god. You would have to go to settle 644 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: off trouble to preserve that, yeah, you know elsewhere on earth. Yeah. 645 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: And there's all kinds of stuff. 646 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: Down there, movie memorabilia like Batman uniforms and stuff like that, 647 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 3: just stuff that they store so it won't decay. One 648 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 3: thing I did learn about the salt mine that they 649 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: opened up in nineteen twenty is Uh, you didn't want 650 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: to work in a salt mine back in the. 651 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: Twenties and thirties. Oh my god, that looked like. 652 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 5: A hard job down there in the pitch black except 653 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 5: for your candles, hoping the thing didn't cave in on you. 654 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: Right, that's funny. We were taking this tour. 655 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: And this guy was driving us around on the little 656 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: train down there in these dark, dark, long tunnels in 657 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: the salt mine, and then he's showing how the roof 658 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 3: SAgs sometimes and sometimes the sag can break through and 659 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 3: crush people. 660 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: It was always I worry. 661 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 5: He said that one's sagging like Madonna. 662 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: What appropriate line from a tour? Guys in appropriate? 663 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 3: AnyWho. I wanted to mention this because everything stays preserved 664 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 3: down there, and I mentioned on the radio show all 665 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 3: the garbage, anything that goes down in the mind stays 666 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: in the mind. It's just too cost and effective to 667 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 3: bring anything out of the mind other than salt. You're 668 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 3: losing money if you take anything out of the mind 669 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 3: other than salt. So anything that goes down there stays 670 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 3: down there. Any bit of garbage over the last one 671 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 3: hundred and five years is still down there, and it's 672 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 3: perfectly preserved because of the. 673 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: You know, as I described, with the humidity and whatnot. 674 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 5: So there's all kinds of like really old like from 675 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 5: the thirties, cigarette containers or whatever, or toilet paper from 676 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 5: people who pooped one hundred years ago, useful of invaluable 677 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 5: historical artifacts. 678 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: But here's something I didn't know. 679 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: So they started they originally they took donkeys down in 680 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 3: the mind to try to help with the work, but 681 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 3: they would go blind right away. And they found out 682 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: human beings are this way too. If you aren't using 683 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: your corneas and everything that you need to know, you've 684 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: gotten your eyeball you need to use for light. If 685 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: you don't use them at all for like three days, 686 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 3: you go blind. That's how how quick the atrophy. Wow, 687 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: isn't that something I'd never heard of that before? Terrifying 688 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 3: it is. So anyway, the donkeys went blind, and then 689 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: they kept organing, and then they died down there. Because 690 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 3: everything that goes into mind stays the mind. So there 691 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: are dead donkeys around this many hundreds of miles of minds, 692 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: various places, and they would be perfectly intact like the 693 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 3: wind they died. 694 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: What likes are they still the same shape? Or are 695 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 2: they like skinny located. 696 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: No, they would look exactly the same. You got a 697 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 3: ninety year old dead burrel there. The hell is amazing. 698 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: I know, it's quite something. Anyway, that's the end of 699 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: my down and assault in my knowledge having to. 700 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 2: Hand to dead donkeys. Yeah, so like their internal uh 701 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: you know, uh bacteria don't know them. 702 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: If you went up and like put your hand on it, 703 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 3: it would just like turn to dust. But it looks 704 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 3: exactly the same as when it died. 705 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I know. In other dead donkey news, Wait, no, 706 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 2: there is there's no other dead donkey it out. It's 707 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: it 708 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty, the Armstrong and Getty Joe