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Speaker 1: for details. Steve Auston, former pro wrestler Stone Cold Steve

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Speaker 1: Auston and has a new show. It's on the USA Network,

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Speaker 1: Straight Up Steve Auston. You can catch it every Monday

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Speaker 1: at eleven Eastern on USA Network. To see you Good,

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Speaker 1: to see you too. It's been a while. Was there

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Speaker 1: any bad blood between us when we did that ESPN

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Speaker 1: commercial fifteen years ago? Like you told me to hit

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Speaker 1: you in the back with the folding chair twice and

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Speaker 1: I had a couple of takes and I hit you

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Speaker 1: as hard as I possibly could. No bad blood. We're good.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely remember I told you. I said, Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: look good, because if you hit me easy and solved,

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Speaker 1: gonna kill the whole thing. So you had to lay

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Speaker 1: it in. And then you also said hit me twice,

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Speaker 1: it'll be a bet, Like you're the one that said

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Speaker 1: to the guys who were making the ESPN promo, it'll

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Speaker 1: be funnier if I asked him to hit me again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't get one more of those? And I remember,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny because I really one of the first

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Speaker 1: sets i'd been on, and I guess I didn't know

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Speaker 1: a protocol, and so you kind of want that to

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Speaker 1: be the director's idea. So when I read it by

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Speaker 1: him and it's kind of maybe offended him a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, when it became his idea,

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Speaker 1: he was cool with it. And then you therefore hit

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Speaker 1: me twice. Can we play that? And if you listen

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we're able to play this, and there's audio

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Speaker 1: attached to this. Hey, stone Cold, what are you doing alps? Dad?

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Speaker 1: You're studying than refast? I don't just a fast? Can

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Speaker 1: I get one more of those? Thanks? By that helps

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Speaker 1: I'm working. You were, you were great, you were Your

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Speaker 1: comedic timing is awesome. There, I thought that really showed

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Speaker 1: my range as an actor. Now I have a little

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Speaker 1: pad that you had in the middle of your back,

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Speaker 1: little tarto show. Now, is that what you normally wear

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Speaker 1: in a situation like that when you're in the well? No,

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Speaker 1: because I just want to pair trunks and boots. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if I hit you with a chair in the ring,

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Speaker 1: I'm hitting you with You've been here with them, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: many of them, you know. And basically what you want

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Speaker 1: Paulie to come over here and be down on the ground.

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Speaker 1: gam okay, paul come on over and and then Steve

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Speaker 1: will show us how to got a folding chair there? Now,

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Speaker 1: if he's here, yeah, I can be here and I

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Speaker 1: So I can be laying these things in on him.

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Speaker 1: like the guillotine. Yeah, you're gonna staff and I did

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Speaker 1: that to the Rock in seventeen when I when I

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Speaker 1: turned Heel, but after I lay ambasted him with a

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Speaker 1: They don't teach you this in professional wrestling school. You

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Speaker 1: turn bad guys. So I'd have fun, but people didn't

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Speaker 1: you gonna get Rock on your show? I would love

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a guy because of our background. You know,

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Speaker 1: instant camaraderie friendship. But I'd love to spend some time

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Speaker 1: and he always brought out the best in me, could

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Speaker 1: you take him at your peak and his peak? We fight?

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Speaker 1: the last guy you want to see. Do what who's

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Speaker 1: the last guy you want to see in front of oh? Haku? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know everybody knows that Hawku was the baddest guy

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Speaker 1: you mess with him, you're really you're you're flirting with death.

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Speaker 1: Who's the greatest performer you've ever seen? Man? You know who?

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Speaker 1: Hogan really knew how to work a crowd and format

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Speaker 1: was thisition when he plays. Think about that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he could probably a big offensive lineman, but that's pretty

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Speaker 1: much it. But he can't play on offense. That's just

428
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Speaker 1: too much space to hit. I would think like a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle because he doesn't have to get after the passer.

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Speaker 1: He can just stand up and put his arms up.

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Speaker 1: Oh lord, then come on, man, you disrespective football players now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Shack's pretty athletic. He was he was

433
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Speaker 1: in the day, but he's so big it would have

434
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Speaker 1: been tough for him to do it. Brother, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about this. You got teams

436
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Speaker 1: scoring one hundred and thirty, one hundred and forty, one

437
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty points. It's fun. But what changed in

438
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Speaker 1: the NBA? Well, we got a lot of bad teams.

439
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Speaker 1: I think we've all been disappointed the level of basketball

440
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Speaker 1: so far this year. We when the season started, we

441
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Speaker 1: had high hold for a bunch of teams, and they're

442
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Speaker 1: just not shown up. And the bad teams are really bad.

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Speaker 1: And when you factor in no defense teams and you

444
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Speaker 1: can have one those nights where you make some threes

445
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Speaker 1: against a bad team, you're gonna have a lot of blowouts.

446
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Speaker 1: But one hundred and fifty points, Well, that's an excusable Dan,

447
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: that's just bad team, bad defense. I mean, that's got.

448
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you got no pride. I mean, you were

449
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Speaker 1: assist you got. When you give up that many points,

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Speaker 1: you really don't have any pride defensively. I mean that's

451
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Speaker 1: when you're given up. I think that's I think they

452
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Speaker 1: had eighty points at halftime. When you when you're doing that,

453
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Speaker 1: you just you're you're not even trying defensively. But it

454
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Speaker 1: feels like there's a new philosophy instead of milking the

455
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Speaker 1: shot clock to get a shot off in seven seconds,

456
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: or like everybody's sort of adopting what the Rockets have

457
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Speaker 1: done with Mike D'Antoni. Well, I think it's actually they're

458
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Speaker 1: trying to adopt what the Warriors did when they won

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Speaker 1: a championship X amount of years ago. Everybody's just shooting

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Speaker 1: threes as quick as possible. Now there's no mid range

461
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Speaker 1: game and you're just shooting threes. And you see that

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Speaker 1: guyause ben I said something like that, the Warriors, who

463
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Speaker 1: have they had the three greatest shooters who probably ever lived.

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Speaker 1: There were seven teams in the NBA shoot more threes

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Speaker 1: than the Rockets, excuse me, than the Warriors. That's absurd.

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Speaker 1: How can the team with the three greatest shooters who

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Speaker 1: ever lived? How can you have bad basketball players shoot

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Speaker 1: more threes than those guys? I mean, think about it, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Rockets are an anomaly because that's the

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Speaker 1: way they do. But there was six other teams in

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Speaker 1: the NBA shoot more threes than the Warriors. That's absurd.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it just flat out of surd.

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Speaker 1: Playing a simple You all in on Luca, don'teck? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I like him. I like to see him get Pasingas

475
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Speaker 1: involved more. I watched him play a couple of times

476
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Speaker 1: like Luca's baller, but I'd really like to see him

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Speaker 1: get Pasingas more involved. And also I like to see

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Speaker 1: him especially when he when Lucas not in the game,

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Speaker 1: because I watched him played last week against the Clippers

480
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Speaker 1: and they just got stumped when Luca couldn't do his thing,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, feel free to pass the ball

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Speaker 1: to Pazingas to get him going. He's a stud. But

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Speaker 1: when they played the Clippers last I watched the entire game,

484
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Speaker 1: took notes and everything, and Luca had an awful game. Uh,

485
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Speaker 1: because then you know, those guys got the two best

486
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Speaker 1: perimeter defenders in the world on one team, but they

487
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Speaker 1: never passed the ball to Plazingers except when he's standing

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Speaker 1: at the three point line. I mean, I've run some

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Speaker 1: plays to get him the ball down low, uh, to

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Speaker 1: get him some easy baskets. Uh. So, but they don't

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Speaker 1: do that. They just get a ball in Luca and

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Speaker 1: say go do it. And that's not gonna work against

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Speaker 1: the good teams. James Harden, you know, you like, he

494
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Speaker 1: got sixty points in thirty one minutes. Should he be

495
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Speaker 1: basing himself? Because I always this is my big knock on,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Rockets and James Harden. Once we get

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Speaker 1: to April May, then it feels like they run out

498
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Speaker 1: of gas. No, they're just playing against the better teams, uh,

499
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Speaker 1: the good when and that's the thing about the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: then that's when you play against the good teams who

501
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Speaker 1: have strategy, who have coaching, who's not gonna let you

502
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Speaker 1: do everything you want to do. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: run I mean by the runs out of gas. I

504
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: mean you're playing every two or three days, so you're

505
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Speaker 1: you're not tired. But you know, the other teams like, Nope,

506
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Speaker 1: you're gonna do something differnt. We're not gonna let you.

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Speaker 1: The refs don't call his minute free throws. I bet

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Speaker 1: if you look at James Harden free throws, he's probably

509
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Speaker 1: shooting five to seven less free throws a game in

510
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and he does during the regular season. But

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Speaker 1: the reff let you play just a little bit more.

512
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Speaker 1: But the main thing, did you you're just playing against

513
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Speaker 1: the best teams. But man, you put up sixty and

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Speaker 1: thirty one minutes at work. You know I've said this.

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Speaker 1: I said it. First of all, I'm not comparing James

516
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Speaker 1: Harden to Michael Jordan and Kovid Bryant, but James Harden

517
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Speaker 1: is the best offensive player I've ever seen. With the

518
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Speaker 1: day's ruse, with the three. He's a terrific three shooter.

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Speaker 1: When he gets it going, he can drive. He's physically

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Speaker 1: physically strong. But when I said that last year, people

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Speaker 1: look at me like I was crazy. I said, this

522
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Speaker 1: guy is the greatest offensive force we've ever had in

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Speaker 1: the NBA from a little guy. I mean, Kareem's the greatest.

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Speaker 1: Him and Will are the greatest scores and for big guys,

525
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Speaker 1: but as four as guards, this dude is the best

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Speaker 1: offensive player ever. Because Michael and Kobe want great three

527
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Speaker 1: point shooter, Jane is a really good three point shooter.

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Speaker 1: And he can drive on anybody because he's because he's

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Speaker 1: because he's got a great body. I mean, he's strong,

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Speaker 1: he's athletic, I mean he has it all. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: invites contact. And you know, Jeff Van Gundy was on

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Speaker 1: the show a couple of weeks ago and he said

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Speaker 1: that you can't have your hands in front of you

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Speaker 1: guarding Harden because Harden will always and ifiate contact. Van

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Speaker 1: Gundy said, have your hands out to the side and

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Speaker 1: let him take the three point shot. You have to choose.

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Speaker 1: You have to choose. You can't try to shut him

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Speaker 1: down in both, you know, going inside or shooting three,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't miss free throws. I don't want him in

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Speaker 1: the lane at all. And if he's gonna take the

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Speaker 1: three and he puts up twenty five three, then okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to try to survive with that. What

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Speaker 1: do you think of that logic? I don't like that

544
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: logic to a certain degree. I like what the Dever Nuggets.

545
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Speaker 1: He's played against two teams in the last two weeks

546
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Speaker 1: who doubled him every single time when he ran the

547
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Speaker 1: picking roll. I would play him like that because those

548
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: other guys ain't good enough. I mean, passing the ball

549
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Speaker 1: to Clint Cappella at the top of the key. It's

550
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: not gonna hurt you. But they played against the Denver

551
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Speaker 1: Nuggets about a week and a half ago. They doubled

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Speaker 1: him every single time, and I forget the second team

553
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: that did it. They both of them teams beat him

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Speaker 1: pretty good. I would double him every single time, says

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Speaker 1: Okay Cappella, you know anybody else can make a play.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they can make enough plays to win

557
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: four out of seven, but I would double James Harden

558
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Speaker 1: every single play. Go back to the today's rules. With

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Speaker 1: hardened it feels like Mike benefit more from today's rules

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Speaker 1: than Michael would. It feels like Kobe had a little

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Speaker 1: more extended game, and this isn't fair to Mike, who

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Speaker 1: if he was coming up now, would develop, you know,

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00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: a better outside shot or three. It felt like Kobe

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Speaker 1: in today's rules would probably be more effective than Mike.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, because Michael would shoot twenty

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Speaker 1: five free throwers a game. I mean, that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: You can't with no hand checking. Those both of those

568
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Speaker 1: guys would shoot a lot, a lot more free throwers.

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Speaker 1: They'd be shooting the same number free throwers that James shoot.

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Speaker 1: The only different than I think James a better, probably

571
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Speaker 1: consistent three point shooter. Michael. Michael was a good jump shooter,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think he was a great three point shooter.

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Speaker 1: And Kobe, I don't think he was a great shoot

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Speaker 1: three point shooter. But just for the record, those two

575
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Speaker 1: guys are better than James. I don't want to disrespect

576
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Speaker 1: those guys, but the way the rules are today where

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Speaker 1: you can't touch anybody, and the way James gets can

578
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Speaker 1: get on the streaks shooting threes, He's the great ast

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Speaker 1: offensive player I've ever seen in my opinion. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: there with you. I said it last year. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, it might be a style that you're not

582
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Speaker 1: interested in watching. I'm fascinated by it. But I am

583
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Speaker 1: disappointed in defenses sometimes because if I ever see James

584
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Speaker 1: Harden isolated, I want to throw something at the TV

585
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Speaker 1: because he should never have an isolation. You should always

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Speaker 1: send somebody at him. And I see these poor young

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00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: players and they're out there and they have no chance

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Speaker 1: against him, And you know, so some of it is coaching,

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Speaker 1: a lot of it is, you know, the league feels

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Speaker 1: young in experience, and Harden is brilliant. He really he

591
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: knows how to rig the system for him and he's

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Speaker 1: done an unbelievable job. Well, the thing about it is,

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Speaker 1: if you let him play one on one, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: get a shot every time, a good shot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've always said a great offensive player either going to score,

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Speaker 1: get filed, or get a good shot. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: three for three. He might not make the shot, but

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Kobe or Kevin Durant, guys like that who

599
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Speaker 1: are great scores, they're gonna get a shot. Now. They

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Speaker 1: they might not make the shot, but when you got

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Speaker 1: guys who are that gifted offensively, like I say, they

602
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: us are gonna get a good shot, they're gonna score,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get filed. So and that's always an advantage

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Speaker 1: for a great score. But I would never let James

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Speaker 1: play one on one because he's, like I said, he

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Speaker 1: gonna get your team in file trouble because he because

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Speaker 1: he and I don't say this, he's probably the best

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Speaker 1: player I've ever seen who makes contact. Adaon Iverson was

609
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Speaker 1: great at it. Ada Iverson bumped you one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: at the time when he was coming at your full speed.

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00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: You just didn't notice it because he was so slight.

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Speaker 1: But James is so physically the physical. He hits you

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Speaker 1: every time the same way, and you kind of you

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00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: noticed it because he's so physical. But Adaon Iverson, I

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Speaker 1: used to watch him and steady him on tape of time.

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Speaker 1: He bumped you every single time. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: reason he was great. Even though he was little. All

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Speaker 1: he had to do is get you off him a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He bumped you every single time. And that's

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Speaker 1: what great offensive players do. That's why people a would say, well,

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Speaker 1: the starters always get the calls I said, well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, that's that is some truth to that. But

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Speaker 1: all great offensive players always made contact with the defense,

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Speaker 1: and they get pissed when the ref don't called it.

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00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: That's why they always look like they're complaining. I tell

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Speaker 1: people all the time, like any time I made a move,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hit the guy just I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to knock him down. I want to knock him off

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Speaker 1: balance a little bit so I could get my shot off.

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Speaker 1: So when the ref, when the ref calls it, probably

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Speaker 1: sixty two three percent of the time, but the other

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Speaker 1: forty percent when he didn't call it, you see guys

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Speaker 1: jumping up and down. But if they would ask to

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Speaker 1: sit down and look at the tape the other one

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Speaker 1: making contact with the defense, they harden's great and initiating contact.

636
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: George Gerwin was on the show a couple of years

637
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: ago and I said, who was the guy that you

638
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: saw that that game and you knew you couldn't wait

639
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: to get to the arena because that guy was guarding you.

640
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: And he said, Kevin Greevy, And he said it in

641
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: a way he goes Kevin Greevy like he knew he

642
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: was putting up forty on Kevin Greevy. Who was the

643
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: guy that you knew you were gonna have a you

644
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to face. You know, I will tell you this,

645
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: I never I hated Kevin McHale because he's the best

646
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: player I ever played against. He's the one guy who

647
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: was so much bigger than me, with his long arms

648
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: and his great moves. I had a difficult time guarding him.

649
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: And then on the other end, he was so long,

650
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know, he was so long it was

651
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: tough for me to get my shot off if I

652
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: had to face him up. But who was easy? Who

653
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: was the guy you went? You know, I'm putting up

654
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: a big number tonight, you know, Dan, I'll be honest,

655
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: which I ain't gonna lie. I felt like that against everybody,

656
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: But I say, the one guy I hated, the one

657
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: guy who kicked my butt all the time with Pompeye Jones.

658
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: I used to hate that dude. And I have no

659
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: idea why. I have no yeah why because he wasn't

660
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: very athletic, but for some reason, he knew all the

661
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: little tricks and he drove me crazy when I played

662
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: against him, like he like, he kicked my butt more

663
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: probably than any player that I played against. Well, you

664
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: probably wanted Bird to guard, you, didn't you, Oh, lad

665
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: didn't want any of this brother, hey, but not on

666
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: the defensive end. You probably didn't want a piece of

667
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: that off you know, with his offense though, uh, you know,

668
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: he was great, great, great, But like I said, you know,

669
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: in my day, I mean, it was a challenge to

670
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: play against him. I mean, nobody's gonna stop a great player.

671
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: But listen, I'd rather play against him than Kevin McKale

672
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: because Kevin was just so much bigger than me with

673
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: those long uns, and Kevin's to this day, other than

674
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan had the best low post moves of any

675
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: power forward to ever play the game. It was a

676
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: lot easier for me to guard Larry Bird because they

677
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: had to set p some things for him. I mean,

678
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: because he would never stop moving. But he wasn't you know,

679
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: Larry as great as he was now, he wasn't one

680
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: of those guys say hey, here's the ball score. So

681
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: and those are the guys that's a nightmare, Like James Harden.

682
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, here's the ball score, and everybody know

683
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna get it. And he still can score get

684
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: a good shot. But Larry wasn't like that. He'd be

685
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: moving all around. You turn your head for a sucker. Me,

686
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: he's over there in that corner. He ran off two

687
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: picks off Mcal and Paris picks and he's in the

688
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: other corner. You turned your head for a split sucker.

689
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: He reminds me of Reggie Miller, who never stopped moving.

690
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Ray Allen klay Thompson's like that. Guys who never stopped moving.

691
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: Those are the tough guys, because you know they always

692
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: say you're supposed to keep one eye on your man

693
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: in the ball. I'm like, well, first of all, that's

694
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: not possible all the time. You gotta turn your head

695
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: for a split sucker. When you look around your man's

696
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: in the other corner. It's not a comfortable feeling. Chuck,

697
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: great to talk to, Kick. Congrats on Auburn's win against Alabama,

698
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: and we'll catch up with you soon. All right, brother,

699
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: appreciate you and you guys have a great Christmas. Are

700
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: thank you, Chuck. That's Charles Barkley. Will take a break

701
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: back after this. Hey, listeners, just wanted to take a

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins of my Minnesota Vikings beat the Lions yesterday,

727
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: still undefeated at home. They're at the Chargers coming up

728
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: next weekend, Kirk Ground, good to have you back. We

729
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: were just talking about quarterbacks making an a tack or

730
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: trying to make a tackle on an interception. What is

731
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: your policy? I know you've only throw four four interceptions

732
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: this year, what's your policy on that? Man? I think,

733
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: first thing, you have to the seconds interception. You got

734
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: to take off and run and show that you're trying

735
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: to cover. You can't not give effort. And then basically

736
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: I just try to turn it back inside. So if

737
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: they're going down the sideline, I try to get to

738
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: the sideline to bring him back to everybody else on

739
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: the team. This year, we had a fumble and uh

740
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: we had a guy returning it and one of the

741
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: big Eagles defensive linemen was lead blocking for him and

742
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: I was his target and h right when he got

743
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: to me, I turned my back to him, so he

744
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: had to block me in the back if he hit me,

745
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: because he knew I was running away from him. So

746
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: it was literally like a bully on the school playground,

747
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: and I knew better than to get getting whacked by him. Okay,

748
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: but if it was a playoff game, is it different? Well?

749
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I probably. I mean, if I've got a three hundred

750
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: pound nose tackles spreading at me full speed, I'd probably

751
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: go for his shins and try to knife him and

752
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: hope that I can create a car pile up. But

753
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: my odds there aren't very good. But I'll do everything

754
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: I have to within reason. Now, I know you got

755
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: two little ones. I think you got a two year

756
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: old and then your youngest was born in March. But

757
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: didn't you have a minivan? Like you were practicing with

758
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: the minivan prior to eating the minivan? Do you still

759
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: have the minivan? Yeah, we got it's you know, minivan

760
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: is probably an insult to what it really is is

761
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: a conversion van. It's like a mini home on wheels. Uh.

762
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: You know, the backseat bench folds down flat into a

763
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: into a bed. Uh. You know, it's got the uh

764
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: the lights that run through the ceiling. So uh, it's

765
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: it's a fun little deal. But uh yeah, I'm kind

766
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: of an old soul, so before being a dad, I

767
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: was kind of a kind of acted like one. And

768
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: uh so, I guess I'm I'm in my natural fit

769
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: now being a dad of two boys. But you bought,

770
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: didn't you buy the van off your grandmother? Yep, you

771
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: got it right, Yeah, Mike, Grandma she didn't have used

772
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: for it anymore after my grandpa passed away, So I

773
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: was like, I'll take it off your hands. You know,

774
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: we used to tailgating and things like that, and uh,

775
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: it's it's a twenty year old van now, but uh

776
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: uh back in two thousand, that was it was. It

777
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: was the top of the line, of course. Uh nine

778
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: and four the year second in the NFC North, you've

779
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: thrown twenty four touchdowns foreign receptions. Do you think you'll

780
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: ever satisfy your critics? And probably not. Uh. I think

781
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl, you know, certainly can at the

782
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: end of the day, people can still criticize it. But

783
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: you kind of had the last laugh with a ring.

784
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: So that's really what we're all chasing, and um, you know,

785
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: that's all that really matters in this league and what

786
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: you're measured by so you know, hopefully you know, you

787
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: keep winning and uh in you know, stack up wins.

788
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: That hopefully helps. But at the end of the day,

789
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: I think we've all got our critics and then not

790
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: going anywhere. And that's okay. I think honestly I played

791
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: better when, uh, when people are criticizing me and and

792
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: I think I kind of you know, come out and

793
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: uh and and just have something to chase and and

794
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: and I think it helps to a play. But do

795
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: you take it home and do you talk to your

796
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: wife about it? Because you know there were time then

797
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, the critics were pretty tough on you. Yeah,

798
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: and they will be again. You know. It's it's pretty thickle,

799
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, week a week, year to year. But um,

800
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, I do try to stay and I just

801
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: don't think it helps to go looking for it. I

802
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: think it'll you know, keep you from sleeping well at

803
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: night and whatnot. So for my own sanity, I try

804
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: to stay in installay, in front of it and just

805
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: be ignorant to it. But you know, inevitably you're gonna

806
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: find out something through the media. You know, you have

807
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: your obligated to talk to the media two three times

808
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: a week, so they usually try to remind you of

809
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: things before before you can stay out of it. But

810
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, all things considered, I think there are some

811
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: things I never hear about, and it honestly helps. But

812
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: when I do, I try to use it as fuel,

813
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: if you will, and you know, hopefully play better as

814
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: a result. What changed the team winning seven of its

815
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: left nine games. You know, hard to say. I think,

816
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, we have our offensive coordinator, offensive system changed

817
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: in the offseason, and I think there's always some growing

818
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: pains with that early in the year. And I think

819
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: through the first four games we were two and two

820
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: and we were kind of feeling our way through what

821
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: this offense was going to look like, and I think

822
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: it kind of clicked. I think we started to get

823
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: a feel for, you know, how gon to run the football,

824
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: how we're gonna fill the football, who we're gonna lean

825
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: on from a personnel standpoint, um. And then once we

826
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: got that feel, I think offensively we've been much stronger. Um. So,

827
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, two and two is not the end of

828
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: the world, but at the time it felt like it.

829
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: And then, uh, you know, we've been able to string

830
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: something together here and and uh, you know, put ourselves

831
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: in a position now where these last three games will

832
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: we'll really write the story. We're talking to Kirk Cousins,

833
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: the Vikings quarterback. When's the last time you were watching

834
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: from the sidelines or even watching on TV a quarterback

835
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: and you go, I don't know how he does that,

836
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: or that's not that's something I don't think I could do. Yeah,

837
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: you know, there's different styles of play. And so when

838
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: I watched the Saan Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, I say,

839
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: that's not the way that I play the game, and uh,

840
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: and it works and it's really good, and it's you know,

841
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's just not the way I can or

842
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: or do play the position. Um, And yet I watched

843
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: other guys and say, all right, I'm gonna try to

844
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: end like that because that's gonna fit more when I'm

845
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: at my best how it should look. So, you know,

846
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: there are plenty of guys who you look at and

847
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: you say, that's just not that's just not in my repertoire.

848
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: But you all still realize that there are different ways

849
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: to get it done. You know. Well, it's like when

850
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: you play golf with somebody and they hit the ball

851
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: fifty yards further than you. It still counts how many

852
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: strokes to get in the cup. So it's they don't

853
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: give you style points with any of this. But I

854
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: still like, I think Rogers has actually become underrated again

855
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: for some reason. I was watching him, you know, the

856
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. Not with San Francisco, by the way,

857
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers to me, still makes it look easier

858
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: than any other quarterback. Yeah. I remember back in twenty fourteen.

859
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: It was my first year actually starting a few games

860
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: in a row, and I was still kind of figuring

861
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: it out and struggling, and you know, he was, I believe,

862
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, MVP or had been the MVP. You know,

863
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: he's having a great year. And I remember saying to

864
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, was my offensive coordinator at the time, saying,

865
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I think we had watched him on Sunday Night Football

866
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: the night before, and I said, I feel like when

867
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: I watched him play, he knows the future. He just

868
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: he knows, he knows what's going to happen before it happened.

869
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: You know, look on his face and the way he

870
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: plays the game. And you know, as I've played longer

871
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: and got more experience, you start to see you know,

872
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: where a guy gets that, how he develops that in

873
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: the years that it takes to get there. But uh yeah,

874
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: there's no doubt he's he's arguably the most talented, most

875
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: equipped quarterback of all time. And uh, you know, we

876
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: we we're in a bit of a golden age. You

877
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: could probably say it of any era. But you got

878
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Brady, who they call the goat. You

879
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: got Aaron Rodgers you could argue is as talented as

880
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: anybody ever. And you got young guys like Patrick Mahomes

881
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: are doing impressive things. So there's there's no shortage of

882
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks around the league. And there's a bunch of

883
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: names I didn't even mention. Well, if you look at

884
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: Breeze is a Hall of famer, Brady's a Hall of Famer,

885
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: Ben's a Hall of Famer, Aaron Rodgers hall of famer.

886
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's going to be a Hall of Famer. Um,

887
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: you got a lot of gold jackets. That's a lot

888
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: of guys on their way to Canton. I mean that.

889
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: And also, I think we're seeing this transformation at the

890
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: position that you're seeing offensive coordinators or head coaches adopt

891
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: the college style of the quarterback they're drafting instead of saying, hey,

892
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 1: come on in, we need you to run approach set.

893
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: Do you see that? That's that friends going to continue? Yeah,

894
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know that. I

895
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: consider myself a football genius when it comes to the

896
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: analytics and where things are going. But I think you'll

897
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: always need a guy who can operate from the pocket,

898
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: can go through a progression. I think even when you

899
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks who people would say, oh, they're

900
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: they're a college offense tide quarterback, the ones who are

901
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: having success can still drop back, go to a progression,

902
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: throw with accuracy. I think those are staples that no

903
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: matter how the offense looks, you're still going to have

904
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: to do those things to be successful. You know, make

905
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: good decisions, that whole deal. But yeah, I think football

906
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: will always innovate. It's a game of cat and mouse

907
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: with the defense said, Okay, if you're going to do this,

908
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: then how do we answer that? And then if you're

909
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: going to do this to stop that, how do we expand?

910
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: And so it's just a constant evolution. I don't think

911
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: that ever ends. I mean, who knows, maybe one day

912
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: we'll go back to running the triple out town. What

913
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: defensures do? You don't know? So I think that it's

914
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: it's an evolving thing year after year. I'm wondering. I

915
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: go back to that Big Ten title game. We talk

916
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: about it a lot, you know, when the Vikings played,

917
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, against Seattle and we couldn't help. But think

918
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: when you guys Michigan State Wisconsin and we went to

919
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: the game and it was just such an exciting game.

920
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: If I would have said to you at the time, Hey,

921
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: you guys are going to be star quarterbacks because you

922
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: were what a fourth round draft pick and Russ was

923
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: a third round draft pick? Yeah? Right? And I'm wondering also,

924
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: if you would have been a first round pick instead

925
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: of a fourth round do you think things would have

926
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: played out the same way? Because Brady talks about if

927
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: he was the first round pick, he might be out

928
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: of the league because the expectation level would have been

929
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: there and he wouldn't have been ready for ye I

930
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to play, you know. Mike Shanahan I had

931
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: coached the time. He's always been a believer in me,

932
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: and he may argue that I was, but at the

933
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: time I don't know that I was ready to play.

934
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: It took time. It took a lot of years or

935
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: reps and experience and even sailing to be able to

936
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: figure it out. You know, I guess if the team

937
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: was patient enough with me, I'd like to think it

938
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: would have clicked. But I don't think it would have

939
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: clicked in the first six games, if you know, in

940
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: year one. But no, that no doubt. That Big Ten

941
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: Championship Game was a lot of fun. You know, Russell

942
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: and I actually ended up training together when the season ended.

943
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: We were in we were at IMG down in Florida,

944
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: and we trained together for about two months leading up

945
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: to the combine. We were out there every day lifting

946
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: and throwing it. And so I guess having worked with him,

947
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: because he's done that, he had all the habits and

948
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: the ability to be what he now has become. So

949
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: I guess in that sense it's no surprise. But I

950
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: was just turned on the Big Ten Championship Game on

951
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: Saturday night in my hotel room and they said it's

952
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: a ninth annual game, and we were the inaugural one,

953
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: the first one. I couldn't believe it's already been nine

954
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: of them. So time really flies. I'm getting old on

955
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: thirty one now, and I think when I first came

956
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: on your show, was a junior senior in college and

957
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: was twenty two, twenty three. So time flies, and uh,

958
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: these NFL years go faster every year. And the fact

959
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: that you were singing the first time you came on,

960
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I can't believe I did that.

961
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, I got some skeletons in my closet

962
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: something like that. That's not a skeletons out on a

963
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: Friday that, that's not a skelet I've talked to guys

964
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: with skeletons in their closet. Trust me, you don't have

965
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: skeletons in your closet. Hey, congrats on the season so far.

966
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time and stay travels to Los Angeles.

967
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much, guys, you do a great job.

968
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: I have a great Christmas. And uh, probably see in

969
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: the off season. Thank you, Kirk. And that's Kirk d.

970
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Cousins of the Minnesota Vikings. Now maybe it's just me

971
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: kind of chopping up the word a lot of attitude. No, no, no, no, God,

972
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: I'll see you in the off season. Because if he's

973
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: still playing at the Super Bowl. Man, he can't be

974
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: a guest Kirk Kirk not confident in Vikings postseason run. Yes,

975
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: but is the postseason the off season and the offsey.

976
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: It could be post super Bowl. Maybe he'll come in

977
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: and visit us. I don't think so. I don't think so.

978
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: That's headline stuff there. That's headline stuff that's controversial as

979
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: you could get. Yes, I liked it the other way.

980
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: He's guaranteeing that they're going to Super Bowl. I won't

981
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: be able to see you guys super week because I'm

982
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,600
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