1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:14,845 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, welcome to another episode of Cadaver Gals, 2 00:00:14,965 --> 00:00:17,685 Speaker 1: where we talk about the ways people have died throughout 3 00:00:17,725 --> 00:00:21,685 Speaker 1: history to cope with our own mortality. Now, I'm your 4 00:00:21,725 --> 00:00:29,605 Speaker 1: host Nika, along with Gabby Hello Yeah, and Taylor. Hi, cuties. 5 00:00:29,965 --> 00:00:32,605 Speaker 1: So on today's show, we're going to be covering why 6 00:00:32,725 --> 00:00:37,365 Speaker 1: mirrors can be dangerous and some hot Viking content which 7 00:00:38,045 --> 00:00:44,845 Speaker 1: we love. These content warnings include snakes and pillaging and 8 00:00:45,205 --> 00:01:05,165 Speaker 1: gunshots and robbery and mental illness que alligator musical. Gabby, I, 9 00:01:05,485 --> 00:01:10,645 Speaker 1: I heard from my goddess friend Freya that you have 10 00:01:10,725 --> 00:01:14,445 Speaker 1: a Viking story to tell. Wow, that's crazy that you're 11 00:01:14,445 --> 00:01:17,725 Speaker 1: talking about Freya because we might talk about her later. Yeah, 12 00:01:17,765 --> 00:01:21,445 Speaker 1: what a winkydink. Wow, what a coincident. It's as if 13 00:01:21,445 --> 00:01:24,765 Speaker 1: we've talked before. Um. Yeah, well I was mostly I 14 00:01:24,805 --> 00:01:29,125 Speaker 1: got Neil Gaiman wrote a Norse mythology book, and so 15 00:01:29,285 --> 00:01:32,565 Speaker 1: to distract myself from the pain of existence, I was like, 16 00:01:32,645 --> 00:01:36,765 Speaker 1: let's learn about Norse mythology. So that's how I got 17 00:01:36,805 --> 00:01:40,125 Speaker 1: here today with this story. Which, Yeah, sure, the dude 18 00:01:40,125 --> 00:01:42,085 Speaker 1: that I'm going to talk about might not be a 19 00:01:42,165 --> 00:01:45,725 Speaker 1: real dude, but why not. You know, stories can tell 20 00:01:45,805 --> 00:01:49,685 Speaker 1: us something fun too. This is not the most fact 21 00:01:49,765 --> 00:01:54,085 Speaker 1: based podcast, so it's okay, yeah we're not. We don't. 22 00:01:54,125 --> 00:01:57,405 Speaker 1: We don't dwell on the facts, you know, for producers, 23 00:01:57,485 --> 00:02:01,765 Speaker 1: we're Hollywood about it, um, So this is about well 24 00:02:01,845 --> 00:02:03,725 Speaker 1: Also a lot of people know this dude probably his 25 00:02:03,805 --> 00:02:08,965 Speaker 1: name was. His name was quote unquote Ragnar Lothbrook, and 26 00:02:09,125 --> 00:02:12,125 Speaker 1: he was the star of the show. Vikings too are 27 00:02:12,165 --> 00:02:16,605 Speaker 1: the main characters. So I haven't seen the show, but 28 00:02:16,725 --> 00:02:18,365 Speaker 1: you know, when you google him is the first thing 29 00:02:18,405 --> 00:02:21,045 Speaker 1: that comes up. And apparently that show is pretty good, 30 00:02:21,085 --> 00:02:24,005 Speaker 1: so maybe I'll watch it for some more fun escapism 31 00:02:24,045 --> 00:02:28,525 Speaker 1: into like horrific violence and Scandinavia. So I think everyone 32 00:02:28,525 --> 00:02:32,645 Speaker 1: in that show is hot, so good quality content on 33 00:02:32,725 --> 00:02:35,285 Speaker 1: my end, I reckon Well, I feel like, yeah, since 34 00:02:35,325 --> 00:02:38,205 Speaker 1: we like have talked about Vikings before, Like, I think 35 00:02:38,205 --> 00:02:40,485 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be hot default because they really cared 36 00:02:40,485 --> 00:02:43,285 Speaker 1: about their appearance. You know, they like you know, would 37 00:02:43,285 --> 00:02:45,885 Speaker 1: do their hair and all that shit. They do their hair. 38 00:02:46,005 --> 00:02:49,285 Speaker 1: They had no teeth too. You mentioned the weird teeth, 39 00:02:49,605 --> 00:02:52,205 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, weird teeth and cool hair. Yeah, well, they 40 00:02:52,205 --> 00:02:53,965 Speaker 1: just like grew their hair. They didn't cut their hair 41 00:02:54,285 --> 00:02:59,885 Speaker 1: right and they had quite the accessories. Accessories. Yeah, they 42 00:03:00,645 --> 00:03:04,085 Speaker 1: knew how to do an accessory to murder. Nope, and 43 00:03:04,325 --> 00:03:08,205 Speaker 1: well they all so did murders and pillaging and raping 44 00:03:08,245 --> 00:03:10,285 Speaker 1: and all sorts of good things like that. You know. 45 00:03:10,765 --> 00:03:13,685 Speaker 1: Great anyway, Okay, so this is we're going back to 46 00:03:13,765 --> 00:03:16,645 Speaker 1: the eight hundreds a good time. You know, this is 47 00:03:16,645 --> 00:03:21,005 Speaker 1: an eight eight fourteen ish because what happened there is 48 00:03:21,125 --> 00:03:24,085 Speaker 1: King Charlemagne died and he was the king of the 49 00:03:24,125 --> 00:03:28,205 Speaker 1: Franks and then the king of the larger empire posts 50 00:03:28,245 --> 00:03:32,045 Speaker 1: the Franks. Anyway, he controlled a lot of continental Europe 51 00:03:32,085 --> 00:03:34,605 Speaker 1: at the time, but then he died, which then created 52 00:03:34,645 --> 00:03:36,965 Speaker 1: like this power vacuum. So then all of these other 53 00:03:37,005 --> 00:03:39,845 Speaker 1: people became kings in like smaller areas. So then they 54 00:03:39,885 --> 00:03:42,045 Speaker 1: weren't kind of as strong because they didn't have that 55 00:03:42,085 --> 00:03:46,885 Speaker 1: centralized power and coordination. You know, I'm not trying to 56 00:03:46,925 --> 00:03:49,325 Speaker 1: be like pro empire though, I want to be clear 57 00:03:49,365 --> 00:03:51,845 Speaker 1: about that. But right you're being very grimes about it. 58 00:03:51,925 --> 00:03:55,805 Speaker 1: Super cool. Yeah, yeah, we're making a lesbian space colony 59 00:03:55,845 --> 00:04:02,205 Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck she said recently. So Charlemagne he died, 60 00:04:02,965 --> 00:04:06,365 Speaker 1: rip and then that that's when it kind of the 61 00:04:06,485 --> 00:04:09,885 Speaker 1: age of the Viking became super agy like they were 62 00:04:09,925 --> 00:04:12,685 Speaker 1: doing stuff before. But then the Vikings really had a 63 00:04:12,685 --> 00:04:14,525 Speaker 1: lot of power because they could go into these like 64 00:04:14,645 --> 00:04:18,565 Speaker 1: smaller continental europe kingdoms and just like you know, pillars 65 00:04:18,605 --> 00:04:20,565 Speaker 1: the fuck out of them, and it was like easier 66 00:04:20,765 --> 00:04:24,445 Speaker 1: for them. So yeah, they're coming. They're like, we're coming 67 00:04:24,485 --> 00:04:27,445 Speaker 1: for your wives and your jewels and your money, and 68 00:04:27,645 --> 00:04:30,445 Speaker 1: our hair is better than yours, you know. So one 69 00:04:30,485 --> 00:04:33,125 Speaker 1: of the mythic figures of this time was Ragnar Lothbrook 70 00:04:33,565 --> 00:04:35,965 Speaker 1: and as I was saying, yeah, maybe he's not a 71 00:04:36,005 --> 00:04:40,285 Speaker 1: real person, but there are some people. He must have 72 00:04:40,365 --> 00:04:45,165 Speaker 1: been inspired by someone even yea, so okay, go ahead, Okay, 73 00:04:45,325 --> 00:04:47,805 Speaker 1: So there are some people that they're like, there could 74 00:04:47,885 --> 00:04:50,125 Speaker 1: be this dude might be a real person, or this 75 00:04:50,245 --> 00:04:52,685 Speaker 1: dude he might just be like an amalgamation of a 76 00:04:52,685 --> 00:04:56,605 Speaker 1: bunch of different people. And then just like some fun exaggeration, okay, 77 00:04:57,365 --> 00:05:00,005 Speaker 1: because like in the stories he was allegedly the son 78 00:05:00,045 --> 00:05:02,965 Speaker 1: of a Swedish king, and then he would also say 79 00:05:03,005 --> 00:05:05,125 Speaker 1: that he was Ragnar would say that he was a 80 00:05:05,205 --> 00:05:09,765 Speaker 1: direc descendant of Odin, who is the all father in mythology, 81 00:05:09,885 --> 00:05:13,165 Speaker 1: like the big guy on top. Also, Anthony Hopkins mmmm. 82 00:05:13,445 --> 00:05:15,805 Speaker 1: See that's where it gets a little a little sticky, 83 00:05:16,045 --> 00:05:20,325 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, also, you know was Odin? You 84 00:05:20,365 --> 00:05:23,445 Speaker 1: know was Odin? I mean Odin's badasses. Fuck. But the 85 00:05:23,445 --> 00:05:26,485 Speaker 1: thing is he's Odin's like such a narcissist as to 86 00:05:26,605 --> 00:05:28,485 Speaker 1: what he did, like to become a god. Was he 87 00:05:28,565 --> 00:05:32,485 Speaker 1: like sacrificed himself to himself, which seems like cheating, right, 88 00:05:32,725 --> 00:05:36,485 Speaker 1: a male god being a narcissist. That's crazy, I know. 89 00:05:37,205 --> 00:05:39,605 Speaker 1: So Ragner was obviously a bit full of himself, but 90 00:05:39,765 --> 00:05:41,765 Speaker 1: I guess that's what it takes to become an epic 91 00:05:41,885 --> 00:05:44,005 Speaker 1: c keying, right, Like if you're trying to be a 92 00:05:44,285 --> 00:05:47,565 Speaker 1: king of the sea, sometimes you gotta have that like 93 00:05:47,645 --> 00:05:50,885 Speaker 1: self confidence, you know. Yeah, I've never met Jason Momoa, 94 00:05:51,085 --> 00:05:53,605 Speaker 1: but him being Aquaman like makes a lot of sense 95 00:05:53,645 --> 00:05:56,965 Speaker 1: because I feel like his vibe is like, I don't 96 00:05:57,005 --> 00:05:59,685 Speaker 1: even know if it's cocky, but he's very confident, like 97 00:05:59,725 --> 00:06:02,485 Speaker 1: you can tell. So I don't know, but I've never 98 00:06:02,525 --> 00:06:04,925 Speaker 1: met him, so maybe he's actually just super chill down 99 00:06:05,005 --> 00:06:10,765 Speaker 1: or maybe Jason Momoa please tell us, Yeah, let us know. 100 00:06:11,405 --> 00:06:16,885 Speaker 1: Addison has us in the comments. Put us on your story, dude. Okay, 101 00:06:16,885 --> 00:06:20,045 Speaker 1: but with rag narsty one of obviously, you know he 102 00:06:20,165 --> 00:06:22,565 Speaker 1: was a great warrior, all of that jazz, but one 103 00:06:22,605 --> 00:06:26,085 Speaker 1: of his best defenses wasn't just powerful weapons, but in fact, 104 00:06:26,205 --> 00:06:29,605 Speaker 1: his amazing pants. Okay, I thought you were gonna say, like, 105 00:06:29,725 --> 00:06:34,245 Speaker 1: amazing penis. I was gonna be like, wells, I bet 106 00:06:34,365 --> 00:06:38,285 Speaker 1: he had a good one. But it's his pants, Taylor, 107 00:06:38,325 --> 00:06:41,045 Speaker 1: we can say something. No, I want to know about 108 00:06:41,045 --> 00:06:43,765 Speaker 1: these pants though. Okay, So he had made these pants 109 00:06:43,805 --> 00:06:47,605 Speaker 1: from some cow hide, and then according to legend not reality, 110 00:06:47,725 --> 00:06:54,005 Speaker 1: these were magical pants. Whoa my sisterhood I recently watched 111 00:06:54,005 --> 00:06:58,245 Speaker 1: that for the first time. Was incredible, but basically, yeah, 112 00:06:58,325 --> 00:07:01,285 Speaker 1: his magical pants, Like no one could kill him when 113 00:07:01,325 --> 00:07:04,885 Speaker 1: he was wearing his magical pants, and so when he 114 00:07:04,885 --> 00:07:07,125 Speaker 1: was wearing these pants, he was able to kill this 115 00:07:07,285 --> 00:07:11,045 Speaker 1: giant serpent. Okay. So also maybe not true. Okay, so 116 00:07:11,085 --> 00:07:15,245 Speaker 1: when you said this is possibly not true, I think 117 00:07:15,325 --> 00:07:19,445 Speaker 1: you should have just said this is actually just like mythology. God, 118 00:07:19,485 --> 00:07:24,165 Speaker 1: He's like I made up a story today, Yeah I did. Okay, 119 00:07:24,205 --> 00:07:27,725 Speaker 1: but there's like some historical people who yeah they weren't 120 00:07:27,725 --> 00:07:31,725 Speaker 1: fighting giant serpents, but they maybe had pants they made themselves. Okay, 121 00:07:31,765 --> 00:07:37,925 Speaker 1: they're very crafty back then doing pants before that is correct. Anyway, 122 00:07:38,005 --> 00:07:40,765 Speaker 1: back to his magical pants, because the good thing about 123 00:07:40,805 --> 00:07:43,045 Speaker 1: his magical pants, o was he defeated the serpent and 124 00:07:43,285 --> 00:07:47,325 Speaker 1: that's what that's how he won his second wife. Okay, 125 00:07:47,325 --> 00:07:48,645 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know what he had to 126 00:07:48,645 --> 00:07:50,805 Speaker 1: do to meet the rest of them, but you know, 127 00:07:50,925 --> 00:07:53,645 Speaker 1: sometimes love is there and you got to kill a 128 00:07:53,645 --> 00:07:59,045 Speaker 1: serpent and your magical pants. Okay, he's a real person. Okay. 129 00:07:59,165 --> 00:08:02,645 Speaker 1: But also according to legend and maybe from a combination 130 00:08:02,645 --> 00:08:04,845 Speaker 1: of these other historical figures, he did a lot of 131 00:08:04,925 --> 00:08:09,205 Speaker 1: rating in sort of like the France region. And then 132 00:08:09,485 --> 00:08:12,565 Speaker 1: one time he tried to raid what was then Paris, 133 00:08:12,565 --> 00:08:16,845 Speaker 1: which was under the haughty King Charles the Bald Okay, 134 00:08:17,365 --> 00:08:23,685 Speaker 1: sexy as hell, Jeff Bezos vibes, and Charles didn't have 135 00:08:23,885 --> 00:08:28,125 Speaker 1: magic pants, okay, so he was he could die, he 136 00:08:28,165 --> 00:08:30,165 Speaker 1: could have. I mean, these all these people are dead, 137 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:33,005 Speaker 1: are not real, um, But Charles the Bald was a 138 00:08:33,045 --> 00:08:37,645 Speaker 1: real dude. Um. And then Ragner or whoever the historical 139 00:08:37,805 --> 00:08:41,125 Speaker 1: whatever combination of people he was. You know, they raided Paris. 140 00:08:41,125 --> 00:08:43,125 Speaker 1: They weren't able to get it because it's it's on 141 00:08:43,165 --> 00:08:45,245 Speaker 1: a little island. But then he did, you know, raid 142 00:08:45,325 --> 00:08:47,805 Speaker 1: everything around there. So then Charles the Bald was like, hey, bro, 143 00:08:47,925 --> 00:08:50,485 Speaker 1: stop raiding. We'll just like give you a bunch of 144 00:08:50,525 --> 00:08:53,725 Speaker 1: money to go away. And he's like, okay, chill um. 145 00:08:53,725 --> 00:08:56,565 Speaker 1: And then after he did that, he became a pirate 146 00:08:57,405 --> 00:09:00,045 Speaker 1: um and he just spent years raiding the Irish Sea. 147 00:09:00,325 --> 00:09:04,325 Speaker 1: And then this dude, apparently he raided north Umbria, which 148 00:09:04,365 --> 00:09:07,205 Speaker 1: is in the UK what is now the UK now England. 149 00:09:07,805 --> 00:09:10,885 Speaker 1: And yeah, this next part isn't real, probably not real, 150 00:09:10,965 --> 00:09:13,605 Speaker 1: because Dragnar then at this point, you know, while he 151 00:09:13,685 --> 00:09:16,805 Speaker 1: was doing all this raiding and fucking up shit, he 152 00:09:16,885 --> 00:09:20,725 Speaker 1: also slayed a dragon, you know, a real Maybe it 153 00:09:20,765 --> 00:09:23,165 Speaker 1: was just a big lizard. I don't know. They might 154 00:09:23,205 --> 00:09:28,285 Speaker 1: have had big lizards back then, probably Okay, yeah, a big, 155 00:09:28,685 --> 00:09:32,765 Speaker 1: big flying lizards. Okay. So this is going on through 156 00:09:32,765 --> 00:09:36,405 Speaker 1: the ninth century according to legend. But then he dies. Wow. 157 00:09:36,805 --> 00:09:41,445 Speaker 1: But but his death is epic as hell. Okay, so 158 00:09:41,485 --> 00:09:43,965 Speaker 1: we're getting to it. We're getting to his this real 159 00:09:44,165 --> 00:09:48,325 Speaker 1: fake man's death. Okay. So the coolest legend about his 160 00:09:48,365 --> 00:09:52,045 Speaker 1: death was that in eight sixty four he ship wrecked 161 00:09:52,085 --> 00:09:54,525 Speaker 1: off the coast of Northumbria. As I said before, that 162 00:09:54,565 --> 00:09:56,685 Speaker 1: was one of the places he had raided and he 163 00:09:56,805 --> 00:09:58,645 Speaker 1: just like raided the fuck out of it. So you 164 00:09:58,645 --> 00:10:01,045 Speaker 1: can imagine that the king wasn't too happy about that. 165 00:10:01,805 --> 00:10:07,005 Speaker 1: He was a Christian king named King Ella Ella Ella, 166 00:10:07,845 --> 00:10:15,485 Speaker 1: my King Ella. Okay, anyway, so Rihanna was there too, Okay, oh, anyway, 167 00:10:16,645 --> 00:10:19,925 Speaker 1: so King Ella was like, they had Ragner and they're like, okay, 168 00:10:20,285 --> 00:10:22,525 Speaker 1: how should we kill this motherfucker because he fucked our 169 00:10:22,525 --> 00:10:24,885 Speaker 1: shit up real bad. And they're like, well, obviously, the 170 00:10:24,925 --> 00:10:26,765 Speaker 1: best thing we should do is to throw him in 171 00:10:26,765 --> 00:10:30,845 Speaker 1: a pit of venomous snakes. Okay. That's why if you're 172 00:10:30,965 --> 00:10:32,805 Speaker 1: if you're the king, you got to make sure you 173 00:10:32,845 --> 00:10:35,285 Speaker 1: have a pit of snakes handy at all times in 174 00:10:35,325 --> 00:10:39,245 Speaker 1: case your enemies get shipwrecked off your coast. Okay, hot 175 00:10:39,285 --> 00:10:42,605 Speaker 1: tip for kings. But the problem was at Ragner, he 176 00:10:42,685 --> 00:10:46,445 Speaker 1: was wearing his magical pants, so the snakes couldn't get 177 00:10:46,485 --> 00:10:48,645 Speaker 1: at him. So they had the king had to do 178 00:10:48,685 --> 00:10:50,445 Speaker 1: a redo and get him out of the pit filled 179 00:10:50,445 --> 00:10:53,925 Speaker 1: with snakes. He takes off his magical pants. He's like okay, 180 00:10:53,965 --> 00:10:56,085 Speaker 1: action takes two, and then they throw him back into 181 00:10:56,125 --> 00:10:59,165 Speaker 1: the pit of snakes without his pants on. Okay, oh, 182 00:10:59,245 --> 00:11:02,525 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, obviously, you know you just have to 183 00:11:02,565 --> 00:11:07,285 Speaker 1: make sure people aren't wearing their magical pants. Did he die? Okay, well, 184 00:11:07,285 --> 00:11:10,445 Speaker 1: the legend has it. He's still is raining, still here. 185 00:11:10,645 --> 00:11:14,165 Speaker 1: He and Rihanna are collaborating on a song upcoming anyway, 186 00:11:14,325 --> 00:11:20,165 Speaker 1: um Piana, where's the album? But like Viking death scenes 187 00:11:20,245 --> 00:11:24,445 Speaker 1: like within like uh mythology, and also like the historic 188 00:11:24,565 --> 00:11:26,765 Speaker 1: texts of the Vikings that they always make these like 189 00:11:26,845 --> 00:11:29,845 Speaker 1: really epic death scenes. So of course Ragner was going 190 00:11:29,885 --> 00:11:33,285 Speaker 1: to get some really witty remarks in. And so whilst 191 00:11:33,405 --> 00:11:36,245 Speaker 1: Ragner is being bitten by snakes when he's not in 192 00:11:36,325 --> 00:11:40,045 Speaker 1: his magical pants anymore, he says to King Ella, the 193 00:11:40,085 --> 00:11:44,245 Speaker 1: piggies would grunt if they knew how the old boar died. 194 00:11:44,885 --> 00:11:51,525 Speaker 1: What a classic line. Okay, okay, what does that mean? 195 00:11:52,125 --> 00:11:55,325 Speaker 1: But there's this history named Tom Shippy, and he does 196 00:11:55,365 --> 00:11:58,445 Speaker 1: a lot of his like Norse history and Viking history. 197 00:11:58,965 --> 00:12:02,645 Speaker 1: And based on the text that this story about Ragners 198 00:12:02,685 --> 00:12:07,045 Speaker 1: and the word that he says for grunt actually sounds 199 00:12:07,085 --> 00:12:09,605 Speaker 1: like a real grunt. So he might have said this guy, 200 00:12:09,645 --> 00:12:12,125 Speaker 1: this historian saying that maybe what he was saying was 201 00:12:12,205 --> 00:12:16,285 Speaker 1: much more dismissive and like threatening. He was saying, the 202 00:12:16,365 --> 00:12:20,365 Speaker 1: piggies would oink oink if they knew the Old Boar died. 203 00:12:20,645 --> 00:12:24,965 Speaker 1: So literally, he's like Ragner's like making pig sounds at 204 00:12:24,965 --> 00:12:28,365 Speaker 1: this king, which is like pretty like that's pretty bad 205 00:12:28,365 --> 00:12:33,325 Speaker 1: ass while you're being attacked by snakes, right old, Yeah, 206 00:12:33,365 --> 00:12:35,765 Speaker 1: I love dying with threats. I just need to think 207 00:12:35,765 --> 00:12:38,165 Speaker 1: of if I ever got thrown into a pit of snakes, 208 00:12:38,165 --> 00:12:40,045 Speaker 1: I need to make sure I have some good threats, 209 00:12:40,605 --> 00:12:44,285 Speaker 1: some good witty remarks, some good roasts. What animal would 210 00:12:44,285 --> 00:12:46,805 Speaker 1: you emulate if you were thrown into a pit of snakes? 211 00:12:47,405 --> 00:12:51,525 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd probably just talk like gallum or something. Um. 212 00:12:51,605 --> 00:12:55,085 Speaker 1: Yeah that checks out. Actually, maybe an elephant sound that 213 00:12:55,085 --> 00:12:59,045 Speaker 1: would be fun, like the old you know, like that 214 00:12:59,165 --> 00:13:04,005 Speaker 1: I did my arm like an elephant. Wow. Okay, okay, yeah, 215 00:13:04,005 --> 00:13:08,205 Speaker 1: no that makes sense. Think you got me anyway. So 216 00:13:08,365 --> 00:13:10,565 Speaker 1: he's like basically with this quote, he's being like, hey, 217 00:13:10,605 --> 00:13:13,045 Speaker 1: my sons are gonna hear about this. His sons are 218 00:13:13,045 --> 00:13:15,685 Speaker 1: the piggies and he's the old Boar, and when they do, 219 00:13:15,805 --> 00:13:18,765 Speaker 1: you're gonna get messed up. And he's just like threatening 220 00:13:18,845 --> 00:13:21,645 Speaker 1: King Ellen all these people while he's pantless in a 221 00:13:21,645 --> 00:13:24,005 Speaker 1: pit of snakes while making pigs sounds, which I think 222 00:13:24,045 --> 00:13:26,805 Speaker 1: is pretty iconic. No, that is iconic, I agree. Also, 223 00:13:26,885 --> 00:13:31,885 Speaker 1: like stresses me up because he was probably naked and 224 00:13:32,525 --> 00:13:36,605 Speaker 1: snakes biting genitals. Well, his snake was out with the snakes. 225 00:13:36,645 --> 00:13:42,445 Speaker 1: You know, he had a venomous wiener. Anyway, I don't know, 226 00:13:42,645 --> 00:13:46,765 Speaker 1: it's it could be we can rewrite this story. It's fine, um, okay, 227 00:13:46,805 --> 00:13:49,525 Speaker 1: But what he meant by this is he didn't he 228 00:13:49,565 --> 00:13:53,845 Speaker 1: didn't have like okay, he didn't necessarily mean his like 229 00:13:53,925 --> 00:13:56,685 Speaker 1: real sons, but like he had his boys. You know, 230 00:13:56,765 --> 00:13:58,765 Speaker 1: he had his Viking boys who were his sons, and 231 00:13:58,765 --> 00:14:01,485 Speaker 1: they were called Ragner's sons. And these people might have 232 00:14:01,525 --> 00:14:03,965 Speaker 1: actually been real people, Okay. And the thing is Ragner's 233 00:14:03,965 --> 00:14:10,565 Speaker 1: death is it might have been according to some people, 234 00:14:10,925 --> 00:14:14,125 Speaker 1: it could have been kind of like a motivator something 235 00:14:14,165 --> 00:14:17,045 Speaker 1: that people made up this story to them motivate a 236 00:14:17,085 --> 00:14:19,725 Speaker 1: bunch of Vikings to go to north Umbria to go 237 00:14:19,845 --> 00:14:25,285 Speaker 1: like kill King Ella, which didn't happened. Okay, that could 238 00:14:25,285 --> 00:14:27,725 Speaker 1: be fake too, because they're like this was called the 239 00:14:27,765 --> 00:14:30,565 Speaker 1: Great Army of the Heathens and it was like this 240 00:14:30,725 --> 00:14:33,965 Speaker 1: Viking army that that did happen where they did attack 241 00:14:34,085 --> 00:14:38,205 Speaker 1: north Umbria, Okay, and to get retaliation for their daddy 242 00:14:38,365 --> 00:14:42,565 Speaker 1: slash Ragner. The Ragner sons. But the Ragner's sons they're 243 00:14:42,605 --> 00:14:46,365 Speaker 1: pretty fun. You had either the boneless Um, I guess 244 00:14:46,405 --> 00:14:48,885 Speaker 1: he was just a puddle. I don't know. You had 245 00:14:48,965 --> 00:14:55,445 Speaker 1: born Ironside Ubba or Uba Houghton, and Sigurd snake in 246 00:14:55,485 --> 00:14:58,565 Speaker 1: the eye. He was obviously his mom was a sorceress, 247 00:14:58,725 --> 00:15:02,045 Speaker 1: a real sorceress. Okay, So those are his sons, his 248 00:15:02,125 --> 00:15:06,445 Speaker 1: quote unquote sons. And then like apparently what often when 249 00:15:06,485 --> 00:15:09,365 Speaker 1: he heard the news of his daddy's daddy Ragner's death, 250 00:15:09,565 --> 00:15:11,645 Speaker 1: he was playing chess and he was so mad about 251 00:15:11,685 --> 00:15:13,765 Speaker 1: hearing about the death that he gripped a trust piece 252 00:15:13,885 --> 00:15:17,525 Speaker 1: so hard that his nails bled. And what does that 253 00:15:17,565 --> 00:15:20,365 Speaker 1: tell me about Vikings? They have weird hands. Okay, Like, 254 00:15:20,405 --> 00:15:23,485 Speaker 1: how do you how do your nails bleed? I don't know. Yeah, 255 00:15:24,125 --> 00:15:25,565 Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, like the chess 256 00:15:25,605 --> 00:15:28,845 Speaker 1: piece polarized, but you were like his nails bled, No, 257 00:15:29,045 --> 00:15:33,245 Speaker 1: his nails bled. Okay. Anyway, so this wasn't eight sixty five. 258 00:15:33,325 --> 00:15:37,605 Speaker 1: There was the Great Heathen Army did go to King 259 00:15:37,685 --> 00:15:40,325 Speaker 1: Ella and they killed him. But I'm just like King Ella, 260 00:15:40,365 --> 00:15:42,965 Speaker 1: you should have worn the magical cow pants, like he 261 00:15:43,005 --> 00:15:45,645 Speaker 1: took the magical cow pants off of Ragner. I'm like, bitch, 262 00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:48,365 Speaker 1: why did you wear the magical pants? Well maybe they 263 00:15:48,405 --> 00:15:51,925 Speaker 1: were only magical for him. Yeah, for for Wragner, that 264 00:15:52,005 --> 00:15:54,965 Speaker 1: makes sense. That's a good point. Yeah, your own pants, 265 00:15:55,725 --> 00:15:58,645 Speaker 1: you are the magic that you give to the pants. Wow, 266 00:15:58,805 --> 00:16:01,045 Speaker 1: we could say that that is a word for someone 267 00:16:01,445 --> 00:16:05,005 Speaker 1: that something. Yeah, you gotta infuse your own pants with 268 00:16:05,045 --> 00:16:07,805 Speaker 1: your own magic. So the thing though, is if Ragner, 269 00:16:07,885 --> 00:16:09,965 Speaker 1: whether or not he was a real dude or based 270 00:16:09,965 --> 00:16:12,805 Speaker 1: off of all these other dudes, he did technically die 271 00:16:13,285 --> 00:16:16,685 Speaker 1: in like a warrior battle type thing, which means which 272 00:16:16,725 --> 00:16:18,445 Speaker 1: is like, as a Viking, that's like how you want 273 00:16:18,525 --> 00:16:20,845 Speaker 1: to die, because based on their mythology, they're like, yeah, 274 00:16:20,885 --> 00:16:23,205 Speaker 1: we want to go to Valhalla and just like rock 275 00:16:23,285 --> 00:16:25,445 Speaker 1: the fuck out with Odin and just like hunt and 276 00:16:25,525 --> 00:16:28,045 Speaker 1: eat food and have great feast all the goddamn time 277 00:16:28,085 --> 00:16:31,165 Speaker 1: and probably still be shredded. You know. So Ragner he 278 00:16:31,245 --> 00:16:34,205 Speaker 1: died in the snake in the Pits Snakes Snake Pits 279 00:16:34,605 --> 00:16:39,205 Speaker 1: Pit of snakes, and maybe parts of that was true, 280 00:16:39,885 --> 00:16:44,525 Speaker 1: but definitely the pants magical pants, definitely. Anyway, what amazes 281 00:16:44,565 --> 00:16:48,165 Speaker 1: me is that Ragnar possibly was a mythical person, but 282 00:16:48,325 --> 00:16:52,445 Speaker 1: king Ella was not. And because quote unquote King Alla 283 00:16:52,605 --> 00:16:58,285 Speaker 1: killed Daddy Ragnar, king Ella was actually truly attacked and killed. Yeah, 284 00:16:58,405 --> 00:17:00,285 Speaker 1: you know, I would just say that the Vikings at 285 00:17:00,325 --> 00:17:02,325 Speaker 1: this time, and yeah, a lot of these stories about 286 00:17:02,405 --> 00:17:07,485 Speaker 1: Ragner were written hundreds of years after he would have existed, 287 00:17:07,605 --> 00:17:09,525 Speaker 1: which is the same shit that happens with the Bible 288 00:17:09,565 --> 00:17:12,245 Speaker 1: and shit. So like, what, like we can learn some 289 00:17:12,405 --> 00:17:14,885 Speaker 1: truth from this, you know, what is the truth that 290 00:17:14,925 --> 00:17:18,005 Speaker 1: we're learning? Like die victoriously in a pit of snakes? 291 00:17:18,045 --> 00:17:20,485 Speaker 1: I guess that is the truth. Thank you so much, 292 00:17:20,525 --> 00:17:25,525 Speaker 1: Gabby for that illuminating, truthful, hard hitting journalism that you 293 00:17:25,605 --> 00:17:29,765 Speaker 1: just gave us. When we come back, more Viking content 294 00:17:30,285 --> 00:17:40,245 Speaker 1: and my sonorous voice. Hi, welcome back. Okay, we had 295 00:17:40,245 --> 00:17:45,925 Speaker 1: a conversation about Ragnar and sadly because this is Gabby's idea. 296 00:17:46,005 --> 00:17:48,085 Speaker 1: By the way, Gabby was like, you need to do 297 00:17:48,365 --> 00:17:52,205 Speaker 1: a story about goddesses, And y'all know I love goddesses already, 298 00:17:52,245 --> 00:17:54,325 Speaker 1: but I didn't know that Gabby's story was going to 299 00:17:54,405 --> 00:17:56,045 Speaker 1: be mostly fiction, or else I would not have done 300 00:17:56,085 --> 00:17:59,205 Speaker 1: a fiction story. But we're we're here now, so hey, 301 00:17:59,645 --> 00:18:03,845 Speaker 1: it's rooted in some elements of truth. Nika, Yeah, we 302 00:18:04,445 --> 00:18:08,525 Speaker 1: do we really ever follow rules on this podcast. We don't. 303 00:18:08,605 --> 00:18:12,325 Speaker 1: We're so crazy. It's important that you're talking about this 304 00:18:12,445 --> 00:18:15,325 Speaker 1: goddess though, because like, we just need to know that Ragner. 305 00:18:15,485 --> 00:18:18,285 Speaker 1: You know he's in the Holland shin. We need to 306 00:18:18,285 --> 00:18:21,405 Speaker 1: know what he's up to after his victorious death. That 307 00:18:21,565 --> 00:18:25,445 Speaker 1: is fair. Well, I am going to talk about a strong, 308 00:18:26,245 --> 00:18:30,965 Speaker 1: powerful woman, a girl boss if you will. We love 309 00:18:31,005 --> 00:18:35,605 Speaker 1: girl bosses on this podcast. And her name, her name 310 00:18:35,765 --> 00:18:39,325 Speaker 1: is Freya, and she is hot, and she has cats 311 00:18:39,405 --> 00:18:42,525 Speaker 1: who pull her chariot, and she's a Nordic goddess, so 312 00:18:42,605 --> 00:18:45,125 Speaker 1: like she has cats that pull her chats but well, 313 00:18:45,205 --> 00:18:49,605 Speaker 1: Lynxes possibly, Oh yes, that's cool, which is more than 314 00:18:49,725 --> 00:18:51,965 Speaker 1: enough of a description for me to get excited about someone. 315 00:18:52,365 --> 00:18:54,845 Speaker 1: So here we go. I think that's what I literally 316 00:18:54,845 --> 00:18:56,965 Speaker 1: wrote to you. She's hot and had a cat That 317 00:18:57,045 --> 00:19:00,125 Speaker 1: is exactly wrote to me, and I said, say no more, 318 00:19:00,885 --> 00:19:06,045 Speaker 1: say no more. Okay, it is known like own fact 319 00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:09,085 Speaker 1: that I am attracted to animated characters and seeing pictures 320 00:19:09,085 --> 00:19:13,445 Speaker 1: of Freya. I spent too much time researching this, so 321 00:19:14,325 --> 00:19:16,805 Speaker 1: here we're gonna be okay, Nika, I'm a little sweaty 322 00:19:16,805 --> 00:19:18,165 Speaker 1: and hot, but I also thinks because I turned the 323 00:19:18,165 --> 00:19:21,605 Speaker 1: A C off for better better recordings. So anyway, Freya 324 00:19:21,885 --> 00:19:26,965 Speaker 1: is a goddess of blessings and fertility and love, death, war, sex, 325 00:19:26,965 --> 00:19:31,325 Speaker 1: and magic. Very multi talented, a lot of things multifaceted. 326 00:19:31,565 --> 00:19:35,485 Speaker 1: Girl bosses are typically multifaceted. Her parents are the God 327 00:19:35,485 --> 00:19:38,045 Speaker 1: of the Sea and the Goddess of the Earth. She 328 00:19:38,165 --> 00:19:41,885 Speaker 1: is like a big deal in Nordic religion, in Nordic mythology, 329 00:19:42,245 --> 00:19:48,605 Speaker 1: and her name literally means lady, so you know, wow, Yeah, 330 00:19:48,645 --> 00:19:54,765 Speaker 1: what's up? So she has super cool attributes, m Like, 331 00:19:54,885 --> 00:19:58,565 Speaker 1: she is a shape shifter, which is very cool, and 332 00:19:58,725 --> 00:20:02,285 Speaker 1: she has this cloak of falcon feathers that enables her 333 00:20:02,325 --> 00:20:06,405 Speaker 1: to fly. And she also owns this like very powerful 334 00:20:06,485 --> 00:20:11,885 Speaker 1: necklace called the Breezing Gamin Yeah, which was crafted by 335 00:20:12,205 --> 00:20:15,485 Speaker 1: dwarves and it made the wearer irresistible. And she's kind 336 00:20:15,485 --> 00:20:18,165 Speaker 1: of like people have compared her to the goddess isis 337 00:20:18,525 --> 00:20:23,845 Speaker 1: from Egypt or like Aphrodite, if we're talking like Greek 338 00:20:24,965 --> 00:20:28,645 Speaker 1: mythology or whatever, so that's kind of her vibe. In 339 00:20:29,085 --> 00:20:32,845 Speaker 1: Nordic mythology, she's said to be like be very beautiful 340 00:20:32,965 --> 00:20:35,245 Speaker 1: and all of that sort of stuff, but also very powerful. 341 00:20:35,645 --> 00:20:39,605 Speaker 1: Oh there was also the necklace. Apparently, the story goes 342 00:20:40,125 --> 00:20:42,725 Speaker 1: that she was walking through the woods one day and 343 00:20:42,845 --> 00:20:45,685 Speaker 1: she saw these dwarves like they hadn't even finished carving 344 00:20:45,685 --> 00:20:47,565 Speaker 1: out the necklace, but they were like making the necklace. 345 00:20:47,805 --> 00:20:49,325 Speaker 1: She was like, I need to have that necklace, Like 346 00:20:49,325 --> 00:20:51,605 Speaker 1: how much money do you want for the necklace? And 347 00:20:51,925 --> 00:20:54,445 Speaker 1: they're like, that necklace is not for sale. She was like, 348 00:20:54,485 --> 00:20:57,485 Speaker 1: I would do anything. She was so into the necklace, 349 00:20:57,925 --> 00:21:01,285 Speaker 1: and the dwarves were like, okay, well we get to 350 00:21:01,685 --> 00:21:04,365 Speaker 1: be married to you. It was four dwarves for four nights, 351 00:21:04,645 --> 00:21:07,405 Speaker 1: so basically each night was a different dwarf that she 352 00:21:07,445 --> 00:21:09,765 Speaker 1: was quote unquote married too and therefore had sex with, 353 00:21:10,565 --> 00:21:13,725 Speaker 1: and so she was like yes, of course. And the 354 00:21:13,805 --> 00:21:17,405 Speaker 1: god Loki, who was like the troublemaker god in Nordic 355 00:21:17,445 --> 00:21:21,005 Speaker 1: mythology who always seems to be around, saw this happen 356 00:21:21,445 --> 00:21:24,005 Speaker 1: and was like, oh, I'm gonna go tell her husband. 357 00:21:24,605 --> 00:21:26,645 Speaker 1: So he went and he did that. Her husband, I 358 00:21:26,645 --> 00:21:30,525 Speaker 1: think is Odin, So like that's bad. No, Oden's not 359 00:21:30,645 --> 00:21:35,125 Speaker 1: her husband, Frega is his wife. Na actually but no, no, 360 00:21:35,125 --> 00:21:37,965 Speaker 1: how did they get married after these real people? No, 361 00:21:38,285 --> 00:21:42,925 Speaker 1: Frega and Freya actually, according to historians, could be the 362 00:21:42,965 --> 00:21:46,005 Speaker 1: same person because it said that Freya was married to Odin, 363 00:21:46,285 --> 00:21:48,405 Speaker 1: but then also Frigga was married to Odin, and Freya 364 00:21:48,525 --> 00:21:51,605 Speaker 1: only means lady, and Frigga is an actual name, so 365 00:21:51,645 --> 00:21:55,885 Speaker 1: a lot of historians say that, actually Freya is Frega, 366 00:21:56,005 --> 00:21:59,125 Speaker 1: but that is like some historians say that, other historians 367 00:21:59,205 --> 00:22:04,605 Speaker 1: don't say that, Like it's highly religious scholars, yes, religious 368 00:22:04,605 --> 00:22:08,045 Speaker 1: scholars to people who practice witchcraft, like people who say no, 369 00:22:08,125 --> 00:22:12,485 Speaker 1: they're totally different deities. And I'm like, okay, I'm just 370 00:22:12,565 --> 00:22:15,725 Speaker 1: going by, like when the Internet is telling me anyway, 371 00:22:16,725 --> 00:22:18,685 Speaker 1: he got I hope we don't get written up by 372 00:22:18,725 --> 00:22:23,245 Speaker 1: any Norse mythologist. Me too. Anyway, he got mad and 373 00:22:23,485 --> 00:22:26,605 Speaker 1: she did it and kept the necklace, but he like 374 00:22:26,765 --> 00:22:28,925 Speaker 1: got really mad and like left for a long time. 375 00:22:29,005 --> 00:22:32,365 Speaker 1: And then it said that she was so heartbroken by 376 00:22:32,805 --> 00:22:36,925 Speaker 1: what happened because she cheated on him with four dwarves 377 00:22:36,965 --> 00:22:40,205 Speaker 1: that she spent like a long time. Basically, looking for 378 00:22:40,245 --> 00:22:44,165 Speaker 1: her husband and crying golden tears. So golden tears. Yeah, 379 00:22:44,205 --> 00:22:46,885 Speaker 1: so that's a phrases story right there for you. I 380 00:22:47,285 --> 00:22:50,405 Speaker 1: think we're learning good lessons from that. Okay, like what 381 00:22:52,365 --> 00:22:56,725 Speaker 1: we listen? Well, I was just a very specific lesson 382 00:22:56,805 --> 00:22:59,005 Speaker 1: that you know, don't cheat on your husband with four 383 00:22:59,085 --> 00:23:03,445 Speaker 1: dwarves just because you want a necklace? Right right? Okay? 384 00:23:04,365 --> 00:23:07,045 Speaker 1: This what was this neck was? Like what was so 385 00:23:07,085 --> 00:23:10,565 Speaker 1: great about it? It was just amazing, Like she thought 386 00:23:10,565 --> 00:23:13,285 Speaker 1: it was so beautiful and it made the wear irresistible. 387 00:23:13,645 --> 00:23:16,245 Speaker 1: So that was but she didn't know about the magical 388 00:23:16,285 --> 00:23:18,685 Speaker 1: properties until she put it on, and that's why she's 389 00:23:18,685 --> 00:23:21,285 Speaker 1: also known as a very irresistible, beautiful blow. I think 390 00:23:21,285 --> 00:23:23,485 Speaker 1: it just like gave her confidence and she's like, oh 391 00:23:23,525 --> 00:23:27,805 Speaker 1: I am irresistible yet again the confidence once inside you 392 00:23:27,845 --> 00:23:30,605 Speaker 1: all along. Yeah, you don't need magic pants, you don't 393 00:23:30,605 --> 00:23:35,805 Speaker 1: need a fancy necklace. You'll need to believe in yourself. Wow, 394 00:23:35,885 --> 00:23:39,005 Speaker 1: she or had like a good personality, you know that 395 00:23:39,285 --> 00:23:43,125 Speaker 1: is true? Yes, anyway, back to the necklace, because this 396 00:23:43,165 --> 00:23:46,885 Speaker 1: was very interesting. So women who practiced magic this is 397 00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:54,005 Speaker 1: real during the Viking Age were called Volva's. It's ychonic. 398 00:23:54,165 --> 00:24:00,205 Speaker 1: I know and like Volva, and many times Freya was 399 00:24:00,285 --> 00:24:04,005 Speaker 1: the main goddess they worshiped since Freya is also a 400 00:24:04,085 --> 00:24:09,325 Speaker 1: Volva sorceress magician, which which whatever they were called Volva's 401 00:24:09,725 --> 00:24:13,325 Speaker 1: and one was actually found buried with a lot of 402 00:24:13,405 --> 00:24:16,805 Speaker 1: riches with her wand which is what they used to 403 00:24:16,845 --> 00:24:20,805 Speaker 1: practice magic and rituals. And she was also found with 404 00:24:20,845 --> 00:24:24,005 Speaker 1: a silver pendant of a woman with a necklace around 405 00:24:24,045 --> 00:24:28,645 Speaker 1: her that many archaeologists interpreted as Freya's necklace, which I 406 00:24:28,685 --> 00:24:31,605 Speaker 1: think is really cool. So she had like little statues 407 00:24:31,885 --> 00:24:34,805 Speaker 1: of Freya statues with her necklace. It was very well known, 408 00:24:34,885 --> 00:24:37,845 Speaker 1: like she's always almost always in paintings and stuff she 409 00:24:37,885 --> 00:24:39,805 Speaker 1: has the necklace, which I thought was really cool. Also, 410 00:24:39,845 --> 00:24:41,725 Speaker 1: it was just really cool that Volva's had such high 411 00:24:41,725 --> 00:24:46,805 Speaker 1: standing in like Nordic hierarchy because she this one was 412 00:24:47,045 --> 00:24:51,525 Speaker 1: buried with a lot of money and treasure and all 413 00:24:51,525 --> 00:24:53,605 Speaker 1: of that sort of stuff. And I just think that's badass. 414 00:24:54,205 --> 00:24:57,645 Speaker 1: Volva's in high standing. I mean, that's how it should 415 00:24:57,645 --> 00:25:02,205 Speaker 1: be now, you know. Anyway, So sadly, the church did 416 00:25:02,245 --> 00:25:04,605 Speaker 1: not like Frareya very much and kind of put out 417 00:25:04,645 --> 00:25:07,445 Speaker 1: a lot of bad on her that she was like 418 00:25:07,805 --> 00:25:10,885 Speaker 1: very I don't want to say saucy is not the word, 419 00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:14,165 Speaker 1: but like slutty. They basically called the slushed her. They 420 00:25:14,165 --> 00:25:17,205 Speaker 1: called her a slut oude, yeah, because they were trying 421 00:25:17,205 --> 00:25:20,005 Speaker 1: to get Pagans to convert. But this kind of actually 422 00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:22,485 Speaker 1: ended up working out for her because she was constantly 423 00:25:22,485 --> 00:25:25,565 Speaker 1: condemned by the church and therefore constantly remembered not only 424 00:25:25,565 --> 00:25:29,205 Speaker 1: by the church, by by people like peasants or whatever. 425 00:25:29,605 --> 00:25:32,645 Speaker 1: And she's actually one of the most widely worshiped pagan deities, 426 00:25:32,805 --> 00:25:37,725 Speaker 1: especially in the Scandinavia area. So people who practice witchcraft 427 00:25:37,765 --> 00:25:40,885 Speaker 1: will typically look to Freea for romantic help, for protection 428 00:25:40,925 --> 00:25:45,285 Speaker 1: and situations of domestic abuse, for fertility problems, and just whenever, 429 00:25:46,125 --> 00:25:49,805 Speaker 1: especially female witches need strength or encouragement, that's who they 430 00:25:49,885 --> 00:25:53,565 Speaker 1: usually go to. And it's also said that the two 431 00:25:53,605 --> 00:25:56,765 Speaker 1: cats who pull her chariot became witches after serving her 432 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,925 Speaker 1: for seven years, and then they were able to shape 433 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:02,005 Speaker 1: shift into black cats to hide their identities, which as 434 00:26:02,005 --> 00:26:04,805 Speaker 1: a black cat owner I found adorable. I was reading 435 00:26:04,845 --> 00:26:06,885 Speaker 1: all of these like p in websites and they were 436 00:26:06,925 --> 00:26:09,925 Speaker 1: saying that the one way of like showing honor to 437 00:26:09,965 --> 00:26:15,805 Speaker 1: Freya is by being nice to cats by beekeeping because 438 00:26:15,805 --> 00:26:19,165 Speaker 1: she loves honey, and then by celebrating Friday the thirteenth 439 00:26:19,165 --> 00:26:22,165 Speaker 1: as Freya's Day, because that is actually where the word 440 00:26:22,205 --> 00:26:26,685 Speaker 1: Friday comes from, which is pretty cool. Yeah, that's fun. 441 00:26:28,245 --> 00:26:32,325 Speaker 1: I love my Catt do. I don't think he's a 442 00:26:32,325 --> 00:26:36,085 Speaker 1: witch though you don't think so it's too lazy. Yeah, 443 00:26:36,085 --> 00:26:40,565 Speaker 1: he's literally right here. Oh oh my gosh, Jimmy is 444 00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:44,845 Speaker 1: passed out on Gabby's lap. That's adorable anyway. So yeah, 445 00:26:44,845 --> 00:26:49,045 Speaker 1: and I know Taylor, you love bees, so that's kind 446 00:26:49,045 --> 00:26:51,165 Speaker 1: of your connection with Freya, and I just think that's 447 00:26:51,165 --> 00:26:53,685 Speaker 1: really sweet. I think we can all find ways to 448 00:26:53,845 --> 00:26:58,885 Speaker 1: tap into that strong energy today. Okay, great, Yeah, that's great. Nika. 449 00:26:59,205 --> 00:27:02,085 Speaker 1: Thanks for grounding us back in reality by the end 450 00:27:02,125 --> 00:27:06,005 Speaker 1: of that, because I obviously didn't start strong and reality. 451 00:27:06,205 --> 00:27:08,925 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Well, I think we're about to get extremely 452 00:27:08,965 --> 00:27:12,845 Speaker 1: grounded in reality because Taylor has a terrifying tale that 453 00:27:12,885 --> 00:27:15,445 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with fantasy and has everything to 454 00:27:15,445 --> 00:27:19,845 Speaker 1: do with people being violent. So yeah, it's probably the 455 00:27:19,845 --> 00:27:23,325 Speaker 1: worst kind of reality. Yeah, it's a really really this 456 00:27:23,405 --> 00:27:27,725 Speaker 1: is a really sad story. So oh goody yep, So 457 00:27:27,845 --> 00:27:30,645 Speaker 1: here you go. So I'm going to tell you about 458 00:27:30,725 --> 00:27:35,245 Speaker 1: Ruthie May McCoy. She lived in the projects of Chicago 459 00:27:35,405 --> 00:27:39,765 Speaker 1: in a building called the Abbott Apartments. This complex was 460 00:27:39,805 --> 00:27:44,485 Speaker 1: like fifteen stories high, had drug dealers, gang members, other 461 00:27:44,565 --> 00:27:47,205 Speaker 1: people who couldn't you know, people who couldn't afford to 462 00:27:47,205 --> 00:27:51,365 Speaker 1: live elsewhere. It was just a bad part of town, etc. Etc. 463 00:27:52,525 --> 00:27:55,285 Speaker 1: So Ruthie May was known to be a bit of 464 00:27:55,285 --> 00:27:59,045 Speaker 1: a grout, which I understand that, but like she would 465 00:27:59,045 --> 00:28:01,005 Speaker 1: you be walking down the street and just yell at people, 466 00:28:01,165 --> 00:28:03,325 Speaker 1: cuss them out. As so passed by, she would like 467 00:28:04,085 --> 00:28:06,125 Speaker 1: have a stick in her hand and like wave it 468 00:28:06,165 --> 00:28:09,605 Speaker 1: at people, etc. She was just, you know, she was grumpy, 469 00:28:10,125 --> 00:28:14,005 Speaker 1: but she was also very paranoid. She also kind of 470 00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:16,685 Speaker 1: you know, in her early twenties, she had developed some 471 00:28:16,765 --> 00:28:21,405 Speaker 1: mental disorders. But by nineteen eighty seven, when she was 472 00:28:21,445 --> 00:28:24,685 Speaker 1: fifty two, she decided enough was enough and she was 473 00:28:24,685 --> 00:28:27,925 Speaker 1: gonna get her life together. So she was getting her ged, 474 00:28:28,285 --> 00:28:30,605 Speaker 1: She got a lot of her mental issues under control. 475 00:28:31,325 --> 00:28:33,565 Speaker 1: She was starting to make a little extra money, so 476 00:28:33,605 --> 00:28:36,565 Speaker 1: she was able to get clothes and so she would 477 00:28:36,725 --> 00:28:39,885 Speaker 1: get a job. But still she was still living in 478 00:28:39,885 --> 00:28:43,085 Speaker 1: the Abbot Apartments. She still didn't make enough money to 479 00:28:43,085 --> 00:28:45,605 Speaker 1: get out of there. So and she did have one 480 00:28:45,645 --> 00:28:47,365 Speaker 1: friend in the building who she would visit on her 481 00:28:47,365 --> 00:28:50,405 Speaker 1: way out every day. But m and everybody was like, Okay, 482 00:28:50,525 --> 00:28:53,485 Speaker 1: she's like getting less grumpy, like she's getting her life together. 483 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:59,205 Speaker 1: Everybody was really proud of her. So these apartments, they 484 00:28:59,205 --> 00:29:02,885 Speaker 1: were the elevators never worked, super run down, like you 485 00:29:02,965 --> 00:29:04,765 Speaker 1: never really knew who was actually living there and who 486 00:29:04,885 --> 00:29:08,045 Speaker 1: was just like waters and like since it was so big, 487 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:12,645 Speaker 1: this was like big apartments like that really are good 488 00:29:12,685 --> 00:29:15,405 Speaker 1: for crime and whatnot because you don't know who your 489 00:29:15,445 --> 00:29:17,885 Speaker 1: neighbors are and so you can't really keep track of things. 490 00:29:18,645 --> 00:29:21,445 Speaker 1: So anytime there was like an empty apartment, they would 491 00:29:21,445 --> 00:29:23,845 Speaker 1: just they would literally have to board it up, which 492 00:29:23,885 --> 00:29:26,965 Speaker 1: didn't work, but that was they had to go that far. 493 00:29:28,085 --> 00:29:31,565 Speaker 1: So cops were often being called there. There was all 494 00:29:31,685 --> 00:29:34,725 Speaker 1: kinds of crime and what not going on. Then on 495 00:29:34,765 --> 00:29:38,565 Speaker 1: April twenty second, nineteen eighty seven, Ruthie May called police 496 00:29:38,725 --> 00:29:43,405 Speaker 1: around eight forty five pm and she was frantic and 497 00:29:43,485 --> 00:29:47,005 Speaker 1: she said, quote, they throwed the cabinet down. I'm in 498 00:29:47,045 --> 00:29:50,125 Speaker 1: the projects on the other side. They can reach my bathroom. 499 00:29:50,725 --> 00:29:54,325 Speaker 1: They want to come through the bathroom. What so that's 500 00:29:55,325 --> 00:29:58,245 Speaker 1: so cryptic, and the cops were like, Okay, what's happening, Like, 501 00:29:58,325 --> 00:30:00,845 Speaker 1: what's going on? They were like, we'll send somebody out there. 502 00:30:00,885 --> 00:30:04,045 Speaker 1: But they determined that it was a disturbance with a neighbor, 503 00:30:04,965 --> 00:30:08,645 Speaker 1: and so they were like, not a super big rush. 504 00:30:08,725 --> 00:30:12,125 Speaker 1: They were just like they're having an argument or something, 505 00:30:12,205 --> 00:30:15,005 Speaker 1: but not a big deal, right, But like nobody cops 506 00:30:15,045 --> 00:30:17,285 Speaker 1: don't really show up. So then they get a call 507 00:30:17,325 --> 00:30:21,085 Speaker 1: a little bit later from two separate neighbors claiming that 508 00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:24,605 Speaker 1: they have heard screaming and gunshots. So police are like, okay, 509 00:30:24,645 --> 00:30:28,045 Speaker 1: I guess we'll go. So it takes them, I guess 510 00:30:28,045 --> 00:30:31,685 Speaker 1: we'll go. Okay, all right, Yeah, So they arrive in 511 00:30:31,885 --> 00:30:33,525 Speaker 1: like it takes them like ten minutes to get there, 512 00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:37,965 Speaker 1: knock on Ruthie May's door. There's no answer, and so 513 00:30:38,085 --> 00:30:40,285 Speaker 1: they call her. They hear the phone ring, but again 514 00:30:40,805 --> 00:30:43,925 Speaker 1: no answer. So the police are like, what do we do. 515 00:30:44,525 --> 00:30:46,285 Speaker 1: I guess we'll call the janitor and see if they 516 00:30:46,285 --> 00:30:48,925 Speaker 1: have a key or whatever. Well, the janitor couldn't find 517 00:30:48,925 --> 00:30:51,005 Speaker 1: a key that worked. They were like kind of accusing 518 00:30:51,045 --> 00:30:54,125 Speaker 1: her of being because she was so paranoid. They're like, 519 00:30:54,125 --> 00:30:56,485 Speaker 1: she's just really paranoid. She changed the locks and she's 520 00:30:56,485 --> 00:30:59,205 Speaker 1: not supposed to do that. The cops are like, okay, 521 00:30:59,245 --> 00:31:02,925 Speaker 1: well it's probably fine, so we'll just leave. So the 522 00:31:02,965 --> 00:31:07,005 Speaker 1: next evening, Ruthie May's neighbor, who remember Ruthie would visit 523 00:31:07,085 --> 00:31:10,285 Speaker 1: before leaving, was concerned because she hadn't. She didn't see 524 00:31:10,365 --> 00:31:12,725 Speaker 1: Ruthie May that day and that was odd because she 525 00:31:12,805 --> 00:31:16,125 Speaker 1: came by every day. So she calls the cops and 526 00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:18,405 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, can you do a wellness check? I'm 527 00:31:18,405 --> 00:31:22,445 Speaker 1: worried about her. Cops show up again, knock, knock, knock, 528 00:31:22,925 --> 00:31:25,645 Speaker 1: no answer, and they're like, oh, what will we do? 529 00:31:26,445 --> 00:31:28,205 Speaker 1: They're like, do we have a good enough reason to 530 00:31:28,245 --> 00:31:31,845 Speaker 1: knock the door down? And then they're like, nah, we don't. 531 00:31:32,445 --> 00:31:35,085 Speaker 1: And the building like the building people were like, we 532 00:31:35,085 --> 00:31:36,885 Speaker 1: don't want to have to deal with that anyway. So 533 00:31:37,085 --> 00:31:39,845 Speaker 1: the cops are like, okay, fine, well leave. So the 534 00:31:39,845 --> 00:31:43,645 Speaker 1: cops leave and come back the next day. They come 535 00:31:43,645 --> 00:31:45,725 Speaker 1: with somebody to like drill the lock so that they 536 00:31:45,765 --> 00:31:48,885 Speaker 1: can get in, and that is when they find Ruthie 537 00:31:48,885 --> 00:31:52,845 Speaker 1: May with four gunshot wounds laying on her bed. Oh 538 00:31:52,885 --> 00:31:58,485 Speaker 1: my god. So what They're like, Oh, what happened? We 539 00:31:58,765 --> 00:32:03,725 Speaker 1: whoop sees. So apparently what Ruthie May was trying to 540 00:32:03,765 --> 00:32:06,885 Speaker 1: say was that somebody was climbing through her medicine cabinet 541 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:10,445 Speaker 1: and her bathroom and that's exactly what that is. Exactly 542 00:32:10,525 --> 00:32:14,565 Speaker 1: what happened. The intruder or intruder's plural climbed in through 543 00:32:14,605 --> 00:32:19,085 Speaker 1: the bathroom mirror what pow. So the way that the 544 00:32:19,125 --> 00:32:22,525 Speaker 1: building was constructed, there are like like the two neighboring 545 00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:26,405 Speaker 1: apartments medicine cabinets were like back to back, but there 546 00:32:26,525 --> 00:32:30,845 Speaker 1: was nothing in between the medicine cabinets besides like plumbing. 547 00:32:31,285 --> 00:32:33,045 Speaker 1: And the reason that they left it there is they're like, oh, 548 00:32:33,045 --> 00:32:35,125 Speaker 1: it'll just be easier to get to the plumbing if 549 00:32:35,165 --> 00:32:38,045 Speaker 1: there's an issue. So there was just basically a hole 550 00:32:38,125 --> 00:32:40,165 Speaker 1: between the two. And so what they would what people 551 00:32:40,205 --> 00:32:44,765 Speaker 1: would do is they would remove the medicine cabinets from 552 00:32:45,445 --> 00:32:48,765 Speaker 1: from the bathroom wall and then they could like climb 553 00:32:48,845 --> 00:32:51,085 Speaker 1: through the plumbing. I mean it was like a small hole, 554 00:32:51,165 --> 00:32:53,205 Speaker 1: but like if you were small enough, like you could 555 00:32:53,205 --> 00:32:57,725 Speaker 1: fit through the mirror. So that's exactly what happened. These 556 00:32:57,765 --> 00:33:00,445 Speaker 1: guys like went through and what they kind of assumed 557 00:33:00,645 --> 00:33:05,885 Speaker 1: happened was they had noticed that she was thriving. Ruthie 558 00:33:05,885 --> 00:33:08,405 Speaker 1: May was thriving and like potentially made a little bit 559 00:33:08,445 --> 00:33:12,045 Speaker 1: more money. Like they specifically they were like like everybody 560 00:33:12,085 --> 00:33:14,485 Speaker 1: was talking about it, like, oh, she's doing really well. 561 00:33:15,125 --> 00:33:18,765 Speaker 1: She must have money now, Like she was even getting 562 00:33:18,965 --> 00:33:23,725 Speaker 1: like conned by preachers air quote preachers and stuff by 563 00:33:23,765 --> 00:33:26,285 Speaker 1: being like, oh, I see that, like you're making money now, 564 00:33:26,405 --> 00:33:29,325 Speaker 1: like in order to be saved and all of this stuff, 565 00:33:29,365 --> 00:33:31,365 Speaker 1: like you just you can just write me a check 566 00:33:31,565 --> 00:33:34,285 Speaker 1: or whatever, and she would do it. She was like 567 00:33:34,485 --> 00:33:36,885 Speaker 1: she had a lot of faith and she like believed 568 00:33:36,885 --> 00:33:41,045 Speaker 1: in people at this point anyway, So they assumed that 569 00:33:41,085 --> 00:33:43,325 Speaker 1: they came in to like assuming that she had money 570 00:33:43,485 --> 00:33:47,245 Speaker 1: or whatever. This is so sad, I know. So so 571 00:33:47,285 --> 00:33:50,485 Speaker 1: obviously they murdered her. And they mentioned that they stole 572 00:33:50,525 --> 00:33:54,685 Speaker 1: at least three items, one of which was a phone. 573 00:33:55,445 --> 00:33:58,965 Speaker 1: Was the phone, so if you remember that first night, 574 00:33:59,005 --> 00:34:01,805 Speaker 1: the cops called and they heard the phone ring, so 575 00:34:01,965 --> 00:34:04,845 Speaker 1: like it's possible that they were still in there or 576 00:34:05,005 --> 00:34:07,765 Speaker 1: like gosh that or they came back to and like 577 00:34:07,845 --> 00:34:10,765 Speaker 1: stole the items later, which is totally possible as well. 578 00:34:11,685 --> 00:34:16,485 Speaker 1: So these two kids, Ted Turner, not Atlanti's Ted, but 579 00:34:17,085 --> 00:34:20,565 Speaker 1: he was eighteen, and John Honduras, who was twenty one, 580 00:34:20,925 --> 00:34:24,885 Speaker 1: were apparently seen taking her TV and rocking chair like 581 00:34:24,925 --> 00:34:28,925 Speaker 1: after she died. But like there was really there was 582 00:34:29,005 --> 00:34:31,965 Speaker 1: just a lack of evidence and so the charges were dropped, 583 00:34:32,565 --> 00:34:36,325 Speaker 1: so we don't really know if it actually was them 584 00:34:36,605 --> 00:34:40,765 Speaker 1: or anything. So so anyway, so that is like the 585 00:34:40,965 --> 00:34:44,605 Speaker 1: super sad story of Ruthie May. Now, so there's a 586 00:34:44,605 --> 00:34:47,445 Speaker 1: couple of things about this case that's like really interesting. Obviously, 587 00:34:47,525 --> 00:34:52,285 Speaker 1: like people climbing in through mirrors is like super sketchy 588 00:34:52,325 --> 00:34:58,085 Speaker 1: and weird and terrifying. But this case was appears to 589 00:34:58,125 --> 00:35:00,765 Speaker 1: be what the movie candy Man was based off of, 590 00:35:01,005 --> 00:35:04,685 Speaker 1: which was filmed a few years later or released a 591 00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:07,565 Speaker 1: few years later. They were both took place in the 592 00:35:07,645 --> 00:35:11,525 Speaker 1: Chicago Projects. Very similar situation came in through the bathroom 593 00:35:11,565 --> 00:35:16,485 Speaker 1: mirror and even the last name McCoy and it was 594 00:35:16,525 --> 00:35:21,845 Speaker 1: like a double name and McCoy, So that's like it's 595 00:35:21,925 --> 00:35:24,045 Speaker 1: it's kind of like I believe that some of the 596 00:35:24,085 --> 00:35:26,685 Speaker 1: producers actually reached out to people who worked in the 597 00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,605 Speaker 1: building and were like, hey, like do you want to 598 00:35:28,605 --> 00:35:30,805 Speaker 1: consult on this, and they were like, well, I'll read 599 00:35:30,845 --> 00:35:33,685 Speaker 1: the script, but you know, if I find that it's 600 00:35:33,685 --> 00:35:36,885 Speaker 1: like in poor taste or whatever, then I won't. So yeah, 601 00:35:37,365 --> 00:35:40,565 Speaker 1: a lot of people say, and it is highly likely 602 00:35:40,725 --> 00:35:43,885 Speaker 1: that candy Man was based off of this case. Wow, 603 00:35:44,445 --> 00:35:49,725 Speaker 1: and they never caught the killer essentially, No, I mean 604 00:35:49,765 --> 00:35:52,845 Speaker 1: they arrested those two boys, but then two years later 605 00:35:53,525 --> 00:35:56,805 Speaker 1: the charges were dropped because of a lack of evidence. Now, 606 00:35:57,325 --> 00:35:59,765 Speaker 1: Ruthie May had did have a daughter, and the daughter 607 00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:03,925 Speaker 1: sued the apartment complex for for like not helping in them. 608 00:36:04,125 --> 00:36:05,885 Speaker 1: I don't I can't remember exactly why it was, but 609 00:36:06,005 --> 00:36:09,605 Speaker 1: like they sued the apartment complex for her murder, and 610 00:36:09,645 --> 00:36:13,045 Speaker 1: then they made a scary movie. Oh my gosh. But 611 00:36:13,245 --> 00:36:15,885 Speaker 1: there's also I don't know if you've seen this. I 612 00:36:15,885 --> 00:36:18,445 Speaker 1: came across this one TikTok. There was this girl, I 613 00:36:18,445 --> 00:36:21,765 Speaker 1: think she was in New York who like always felt 614 00:36:21,765 --> 00:36:24,085 Speaker 1: a draft in her bathroom and she couldn't figure out 615 00:36:24,085 --> 00:36:26,165 Speaker 1: what it was coming from. So she like investigates and 616 00:36:26,165 --> 00:36:29,405 Speaker 1: finds that it's coming from her mirror. So she hate that. 617 00:36:29,725 --> 00:36:32,685 Speaker 1: So she's like, I'm gonna figure this out. So if 618 00:36:32,725 --> 00:36:36,925 Speaker 1: she takes the mirror off, same like medicine cabinet type situation, 619 00:36:37,005 --> 00:36:39,245 Speaker 1: takes the mirror off, and there's like a whole other 620 00:36:39,285 --> 00:36:43,365 Speaker 1: apartment back there, so like this is empty, right, yeah, 621 00:36:43,365 --> 00:36:45,885 Speaker 1: this is like abandoned. That makes you want to throw up. 622 00:36:45,965 --> 00:36:49,405 Speaker 1: I can't. And so she's like how sketchy is that? 623 00:36:49,605 --> 00:36:52,005 Speaker 1: And also secondly, she lives in New York. She's like, 624 00:36:52,045 --> 00:36:54,085 Speaker 1: this is a whole this is prime real estate here, 625 00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:57,805 Speaker 1: Like what the heck? But and it's just wait, did 626 00:36:57,885 --> 00:37:00,845 Speaker 1: anyone figure out why that apartment was there? I'm gonna 627 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,525 Speaker 1: do some research if I don't know. I haven't done 628 00:37:02,525 --> 00:37:04,605 Speaker 1: research on that, but like that is That's one of 629 00:37:04,605 --> 00:37:09,685 Speaker 1: my biggest fears, is like you taking their medicine cabinet 630 00:37:09,725 --> 00:37:11,845 Speaker 1: off of your house and then they're being a whole 631 00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:15,605 Speaker 1: nother reality behind it. Well yeah, yeah, because you don't know, 632 00:37:16,005 --> 00:37:18,365 Speaker 1: Like that just freaks me out. Or the idea of 633 00:37:18,445 --> 00:37:21,725 Speaker 1: someone living in your house and you're not even knowing 634 00:37:21,805 --> 00:37:23,805 Speaker 1: that they live in your house, like if because they're 635 00:37:23,845 --> 00:37:26,805 Speaker 1: the attic or something like that, like that terrifies me. 636 00:37:26,925 --> 00:37:29,565 Speaker 1: That terrifies so scary. I think about that all the 637 00:37:29,565 --> 00:37:31,605 Speaker 1: time that somebody's I'm like my crawl spaced on. Oh 638 00:37:31,645 --> 00:37:35,125 Speaker 1: my god, Taylor. I worry about that more than I 639 00:37:35,125 --> 00:37:42,365 Speaker 1: probably should Yeah, it's it's me, got me my new 640 00:37:42,405 --> 00:37:46,445 Speaker 1: apartment that you haven't seen. It's actually Taylor's crawl space. 641 00:37:46,645 --> 00:37:49,125 Speaker 1: This is just a backdrop back here. That's a really 642 00:37:49,125 --> 00:37:52,165 Speaker 1: good backdrop. Thank you. Yeah, it looks really nice. I'm 643 00:37:52,165 --> 00:37:54,285 Speaker 1: glad you at least it's like a nice nice job 644 00:37:54,285 --> 00:37:59,325 Speaker 1: on it. Thank you. Pretty good lighting too. Yeah. Wow, um, well, 645 00:37:59,485 --> 00:38:01,645 Speaker 1: thank you Taylor for reminding me of one of my 646 00:38:02,605 --> 00:38:06,045 Speaker 1: unreasonable fears. That is something I can and think about 647 00:38:06,085 --> 00:38:08,725 Speaker 1: tonight as I try to sleep. All right, Well, when 648 00:38:08,765 --> 00:38:14,405 Speaker 1: we come back, you know, more mirror trouble he he he, 649 00:38:17,325 --> 00:38:23,325 Speaker 1: welcome back. Wow. Well this episode has been a roller coaster, 650 00:38:23,765 --> 00:38:26,765 Speaker 1: it really has. It's been all over the place. Yeah yeah, yeah, 651 00:38:26,765 --> 00:38:30,965 Speaker 1: from very sobering truths to like volvas and you know, 652 00:38:31,125 --> 00:38:34,525 Speaker 1: magical pants and stuff which are not the same thing, 653 00:38:34,965 --> 00:38:38,845 Speaker 1: not the same thing. Okay, So Taylor sent me a 654 00:38:38,845 --> 00:38:42,005 Speaker 1: super fun link that led to hours in a wormhole 655 00:38:42,125 --> 00:38:46,125 Speaker 1: of knowledge and confusion that I feel super happy I 656 00:38:46,125 --> 00:38:48,645 Speaker 1: get to share with you all today. If I don't 657 00:38:48,645 --> 00:38:52,365 Speaker 1: explain it, well, I'm sorry. I'm not a physicist. I 658 00:38:52,485 --> 00:38:56,005 Speaker 1: literally don't have a college degree, so you can imagine 659 00:38:56,005 --> 00:39:00,885 Speaker 1: how researching this went. Okay, maybe you'll get an honorary degree. Now, Nika, 660 00:39:00,925 --> 00:39:02,685 Speaker 1: you wouldn't even have to go to college. You'll just 661 00:39:02,765 --> 00:39:04,925 Speaker 1: get a physics degree. I'll be nice Oa from like 662 00:39:05,005 --> 00:39:10,325 Speaker 1: Harve Hard. So we all know atoms like the small 663 00:39:10,365 --> 00:39:17,485 Speaker 1: little atom, like the like no atoms. Atoms, Yes, I've 664 00:39:17,485 --> 00:39:21,925 Speaker 1: heard of them, quite small, Okay, So it is for 665 00:39:22,005 --> 00:39:25,485 Speaker 1: people who might not be familiar. It is what basically 666 00:39:25,525 --> 00:39:28,605 Speaker 1: everything is made out of. I know they are made of. 667 00:39:28,725 --> 00:39:34,765 Speaker 1: Get ready for this, you guys, Protons, neutrons, and electrons. Okay. 668 00:39:34,805 --> 00:39:38,605 Speaker 1: I love the chaotic energy of an electron. Oh my gosh, 669 00:39:38,685 --> 00:39:41,565 Speaker 1: you are an electron. That's so cute. Oh wait, this 670 00:39:41,605 --> 00:39:44,605 Speaker 1: is a fun game, Gabby. Okay, So Nika is a proton. 671 00:39:45,165 --> 00:39:49,045 Speaker 1: Why the frick am I a proton? Gabby is a neutron? Hello, 672 00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:52,365 Speaker 1: I said, why am? I don't know? Is it because 673 00:39:52,365 --> 00:39:58,085 Speaker 1: I'm aggressivetron? Because I feel like neutrons is like neutral 674 00:39:58,165 --> 00:40:01,205 Speaker 1: and you kind of have like that neutral tone of voice. 675 00:40:01,685 --> 00:40:04,125 Speaker 1: Oh I thought it was always the evil one. And 676 00:40:04,165 --> 00:40:06,725 Speaker 1: then that's so I'd be the elect tron. No, Taylor 677 00:40:06,765 --> 00:40:10,205 Speaker 1: is the electron. I think Gabby's the neutron. Because Gabby 678 00:40:10,245 --> 00:40:12,845 Speaker 1: without anyone fizzles out and dies in fourteen minutes and 679 00:40:12,925 --> 00:40:17,245 Speaker 1: forty eight seconds, as we're about to find out. Okay, anyway, 680 00:40:17,725 --> 00:40:21,765 Speaker 1: that was a rost. Okay, No, I appreciate that. I like, 681 00:40:21,965 --> 00:40:24,725 Speaker 1: I will be thinking about myself for a while after 682 00:40:24,765 --> 00:40:27,445 Speaker 1: that comment. So sorry if I don't do any sweet 683 00:40:27,525 --> 00:40:33,245 Speaker 1: riffs minutes, so sorry. Okay. So yeah, you know we're 684 00:40:33,565 --> 00:40:36,645 Speaker 1: getting very basic. Okay, now that we have the cadaver 685 00:40:36,725 --> 00:40:40,365 Speaker 1: gals categorized. So when neutrons are by themselves, as I 686 00:40:40,445 --> 00:40:44,165 Speaker 1: just mentioned, they're floating around, not attached to protons or electrons, 687 00:40:44,405 --> 00:40:50,765 Speaker 1: they are very unstable and begin to decay a key 688 00:40:50,845 --> 00:40:55,965 Speaker 1: component can confirm. Honestly, me too, though me too. I'm 689 00:40:55,965 --> 00:40:58,165 Speaker 1: the one who's like, I've been in long term relationships 690 00:40:59,245 --> 00:41:03,045 Speaker 1: more than I probably should at just twenty four years 691 00:41:03,045 --> 00:41:05,205 Speaker 1: of age, which, by the way, I'm twenty four. Happy 692 00:41:05,245 --> 00:41:09,525 Speaker 1: birth to me, Happy birthday. I like how we're like 693 00:41:09,685 --> 00:41:15,685 Speaker 1: using atoms to like manifest our external traumas to the listeners. 694 00:41:15,765 --> 00:41:20,885 Speaker 1: I appreciate this. The physicists hate us because I'm sure 695 00:41:21,005 --> 00:41:27,685 Speaker 1: business are listening. If you are a physicist, please stop listening. No, 696 00:41:27,765 --> 00:41:29,725 Speaker 1: I was gonna say comment and just tell us how 697 00:41:29,805 --> 00:41:32,525 Speaker 1: dumb we are. Let's tell my therapist XT week. Yeah. 698 00:41:32,565 --> 00:41:34,845 Speaker 1: I've just been really feeling like a neutron recent They're 699 00:41:34,885 --> 00:41:38,765 Speaker 1: just like, ye honestly, um okay, Well, anyway, A key 700 00:41:38,765 --> 00:41:42,285 Speaker 1: component to atoms and all of this atoms what we 701 00:41:42,325 --> 00:41:46,605 Speaker 1: are made of is that um. All of protons, neutrons, 702 00:41:46,645 --> 00:41:49,605 Speaker 1: and electrons are the same. They react in the same ways. 703 00:41:49,725 --> 00:41:53,085 Speaker 1: This is important. This is like a law of physics. God, 704 00:41:53,085 --> 00:41:55,845 Speaker 1: I hope I don't fuck this off. Scared? Okay, yeah, 705 00:41:56,125 --> 00:41:58,405 Speaker 1: I don't know where you're going with this. I get 706 00:41:58,445 --> 00:42:02,605 Speaker 1: ready strap in. Are we going to Valhalla again? This 707 00:42:02,765 --> 00:42:07,965 Speaker 1: is this related to Norse mythology. We're going somewhere even weirder. Okay, okay, 708 00:42:08,125 --> 00:42:10,605 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. When scientists were doing an experiment to find 709 00:42:10,605 --> 00:42:14,005 Speaker 1: out how long does it take neutrons to decay, they 710 00:42:14,085 --> 00:42:21,085 Speaker 1: found a discrepancy. Oh god, oh sorry, I'm laughing that 711 00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:25,365 Speaker 1: we've we've said the gap is a neutron. God, that's 712 00:42:25,445 --> 00:42:28,885 Speaker 1: gonna fum sorry. Okay. It took a beam of neutrons 713 00:42:29,005 --> 00:42:32,405 Speaker 1: fourteen minutes and forty eight seconds to fully decay in 714 00:42:32,525 --> 00:42:38,965 Speaker 1: beam form, okay, beam not being formed? Okay, then, well 715 00:42:39,005 --> 00:42:46,525 Speaker 1: I'm always in being for guys, I'm trying to teach. Okay, no, 716 00:42:46,645 --> 00:42:49,525 Speaker 1: I know how my side, my middle school science professor, 717 00:42:49,605 --> 00:42:54,365 Speaker 1: doctor Truelove felt okay tbd. Not like her. Okay, oh 718 00:42:54,405 --> 00:42:58,725 Speaker 1: my god roasted not like her. She was really mean 719 00:42:58,765 --> 00:43:02,245 Speaker 1: to me the first time I ever, like my literally 720 00:43:02,365 --> 00:43:04,685 Speaker 1: second day of school in the US. I had never 721 00:43:04,685 --> 00:43:06,605 Speaker 1: seen a scantron before. I know what the fuck those 722 00:43:06,605 --> 00:43:08,605 Speaker 1: things were. And she gave me a scantron test and 723 00:43:08,605 --> 00:43:10,325 Speaker 1: I literally looked at this and I was like, what 724 00:43:10,365 --> 00:43:12,565 Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? And she likes said something 725 00:43:12,565 --> 00:43:15,165 Speaker 1: hellas enophobic, like low key. I don't remember exactly what 726 00:43:15,165 --> 00:43:16,765 Speaker 1: it was, but it was basically something like what you 727 00:43:16,765 --> 00:43:18,565 Speaker 1: don't have these where you come from? And I was like, 728 00:43:19,685 --> 00:43:23,605 Speaker 1: what the heck? Okay, Also, scantron's not something to be 729 00:43:23,685 --> 00:43:28,325 Speaker 1: proud of, you know, yeah, it's really not anyway, America 730 00:43:28,525 --> 00:43:33,565 Speaker 1: home of the scantrons. Okay, so listen, listen. So they 731 00:43:33,565 --> 00:43:36,365 Speaker 1: then put the same amount of neutrons, the same amount 732 00:43:36,605 --> 00:43:39,125 Speaker 1: in a lab bottle, and they did the exact same experiment, 733 00:43:39,365 --> 00:43:42,125 Speaker 1: but this time it took the neutrons fourteen minutes and 734 00:43:42,205 --> 00:43:45,685 Speaker 1: thirty eight seconds to fully decay. That is a ten 735 00:43:45,965 --> 00:43:50,245 Speaker 1: second time difference, which is a very big deal for physicists. Okay, 736 00:43:50,365 --> 00:43:53,765 Speaker 1: physicists are people who like point zero zero one seconds off. 737 00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:55,405 Speaker 1: Oh god, gotta run the test again, you know what 738 00:43:55,445 --> 00:44:00,045 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, yeah, me not okay. So they initially 739 00:44:00,125 --> 00:44:04,165 Speaker 1: blamed user error or faulty machinery understandably, but the experiment 740 00:44:04,205 --> 00:44:06,885 Speaker 1: has been done multiple times throughout the years and still 741 00:44:07,125 --> 00:44:11,205 Speaker 1: ten to nine second delay, which is weird. Now, this 742 00:44:11,325 --> 00:44:15,205 Speaker 1: is where mirrors come in. Anatoli Sarah Brov from the 743 00:44:15,245 --> 00:44:19,285 Speaker 1: Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, which by the way, needs to 744 00:44:19,405 --> 00:44:22,445 Speaker 1: update its website, said that the reason for the delay 745 00:44:22,485 --> 00:44:27,125 Speaker 1: in time is that sometimes ordinary neutrons instead of this, 746 00:44:27,645 --> 00:44:31,605 Speaker 1: cross into a mirror universe, where they become mirror neutrons, 747 00:44:31,725 --> 00:44:33,605 Speaker 1: which is why we don't see them anymore and they 748 00:44:33,605 --> 00:44:39,765 Speaker 1: are impossible to count. Wait, yeah, what Maybe that's why 749 00:44:39,805 --> 00:44:43,765 Speaker 1: their website is an updated because that's in the mirror universe. 750 00:44:44,365 --> 00:44:48,405 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah. They're very busy. What the fuck 751 00:44:48,525 --> 00:44:52,605 Speaker 1: is a mirror? What does that mean? That seems saying no, 752 00:44:52,925 --> 00:44:56,205 Speaker 1: So they're no, no, no, no no, They're trying to figure 753 00:44:56,205 --> 00:44:59,205 Speaker 1: out what is this ten second difference? Where do those 754 00:44:59,245 --> 00:45:02,685 Speaker 1: neutrons go? That take away that ten second difference, and 755 00:45:02,845 --> 00:45:06,445 Speaker 1: this person said, they go into a mirror universe that 756 00:45:06,605 --> 00:45:09,845 Speaker 1: is just like ours, which is not It can be 757 00:45:09,765 --> 00:45:16,085 Speaker 1: a parallel universe. Yes, basically. Yeah, anyway, it's not that 758 00:45:16,205 --> 00:45:19,485 Speaker 1: crazy when you start researching it, but it's still kind 759 00:45:19,525 --> 00:45:21,445 Speaker 1: of a stretch. Like as I was reading this, I 760 00:45:21,485 --> 00:45:26,965 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm sorry, so so so the neutrons 761 00:45:27,005 --> 00:45:30,925 Speaker 1: that we cannot see. You immediately theorize that it is 762 00:45:30,965 --> 00:45:33,445 Speaker 1: because I snapped, by the way, listener, it is because 763 00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:37,645 Speaker 1: it goes into a mirror universe. Okay. So scientists have 764 00:45:37,725 --> 00:45:42,205 Speaker 1: actually taken this hypothesis seriously, and it could also explain 765 00:45:42,325 --> 00:45:45,885 Speaker 1: the strange phenomenon that is dark matter, which has been 766 00:45:45,925 --> 00:45:50,245 Speaker 1: observed not visually but rather by like gravitational polls that 767 00:45:50,325 --> 00:45:53,365 Speaker 1: cannot be explained unless we account for dark matter that 768 00:45:53,485 --> 00:45:57,165 Speaker 1: simply doesn't interact with the electromagnetic field, so we cannot 769 00:45:57,205 --> 00:45:59,165 Speaker 1: see it. We know it's there, but we can't see it. 770 00:45:59,845 --> 00:46:02,725 Speaker 1: So some scientists have said that maybe dark matter is 771 00:46:02,765 --> 00:46:07,245 Speaker 1: actually mirror matter living in a mirror universe but affecting 772 00:46:07,245 --> 00:46:12,445 Speaker 1: the gravitational pool of our universe. Mika, you definitely are 773 00:46:12,565 --> 00:46:15,485 Speaker 1: gonna you deserve an honorary degree from thank you. I 774 00:46:15,525 --> 00:46:19,525 Speaker 1: sound like I'm on adderall like I'm like, listen, guys, 775 00:46:19,845 --> 00:46:22,365 Speaker 1: but I so I actually thought that I thought everything 776 00:46:22,525 --> 00:46:27,245 Speaker 1: was a simulation. You said that. I never said a 777 00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:31,325 Speaker 1: simulation thing. Okay, I would love for this to be simulation. 778 00:46:31,605 --> 00:46:33,805 Speaker 1: Do you know how many times I played sims for 779 00:46:33,885 --> 00:46:36,085 Speaker 1: hours when I was younger. The idea of me being 780 00:46:36,125 --> 00:46:41,165 Speaker 1: a sim quite frankly turns me on. I wish. Oh anyway, okay, girl, 781 00:46:41,245 --> 00:46:46,765 Speaker 1: you are a sim Thank you sweating again? Okay, sou 782 00:46:47,565 --> 00:46:51,525 Speaker 1: To further this theory, if that is the case, and 783 00:46:51,605 --> 00:46:55,245 Speaker 1: dark matter is mirror matter living in a mirror universe, 784 00:46:55,645 --> 00:46:58,365 Speaker 1: then the mirror universe is very big because there is 785 00:46:58,405 --> 00:47:01,205 Speaker 1: way more dark matter in the universe than regular matter. 786 00:47:01,445 --> 00:47:03,885 Speaker 1: It has been observed there's like five times more dark 787 00:47:03,885 --> 00:47:06,845 Speaker 1: matter than regular matter, so must be. But if you 788 00:47:06,885 --> 00:47:09,885 Speaker 1: don't see dark matter, then how do you know because 789 00:47:10,165 --> 00:47:14,045 Speaker 1: of gravitational pulse. So like there was a diagram, well 790 00:47:14,085 --> 00:47:18,045 Speaker 1: a picture really of I think stars and planets and stuff, 791 00:47:18,165 --> 00:47:22,805 Speaker 1: and like they pointed with little arabs on the diagram 792 00:47:23,245 --> 00:47:26,645 Speaker 1: where the gravitational pool of dark matter was that kept 793 00:47:26,645 --> 00:47:29,565 Speaker 1: these planets away and stuff like that. That's the best 794 00:47:29,645 --> 00:47:31,045 Speaker 1: way I can describe it, but I can send you 795 00:47:31,045 --> 00:47:33,845 Speaker 1: a link. It made sense as I read it. As 796 00:47:33,885 --> 00:47:36,125 Speaker 1: I say that lauda might not make that much sense. 797 00:47:36,165 --> 00:47:39,005 Speaker 1: But dark matter is something that does exist that not 798 00:47:39,045 --> 00:47:41,165 Speaker 1: a lot of people know about. But that is confirmed. 799 00:47:41,245 --> 00:47:44,925 Speaker 1: Mirror matter not confirmed just yet. So there's people who 800 00:47:44,965 --> 00:47:48,245 Speaker 1: are also still trying to prove this, like doctor Leah Brossard. 801 00:47:48,405 --> 00:47:53,165 Speaker 1: She conducted an actual experiment to open a portal into 802 00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:56,285 Speaker 1: that mirror universe. And basically the experiment this was like 803 00:47:56,325 --> 00:48:03,205 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. She's a witch, yes, so basically she's 804 00:48:03,205 --> 00:48:06,285 Speaker 1: sending a beam of subatomic particles on a fifty foot 805 00:48:06,285 --> 00:48:12,005 Speaker 1: tunnel past a strong magnet and into an impenetrable wall. Impenetrable, Okay. 806 00:48:12,165 --> 00:48:15,245 Speaker 1: Her hypothesis is that, according to the current laws of physics, 807 00:48:15,645 --> 00:48:18,925 Speaker 1: no neutron should get past the barrier. Like it's just 808 00:48:19,005 --> 00:48:24,165 Speaker 1: it can't happen. It's impenetrable. Count exactly penetration. Anyway, if 809 00:48:24,165 --> 00:48:26,845 Speaker 1: the head count is off and some neutrons did pass 810 00:48:27,125 --> 00:48:31,005 Speaker 1: the impenetrable barrier, then they became mirror neutrons. And that's 811 00:48:31,045 --> 00:48:35,525 Speaker 1: evidence for the mirror universe. As best as I could 812 00:48:35,565 --> 00:48:41,525 Speaker 1: have understood its way. So they go through a medicine cabinet. Noah, 813 00:48:41,645 --> 00:48:44,845 Speaker 1: what okay, so I'm just thinking of the last story. No, 814 00:48:44,925 --> 00:48:47,445 Speaker 1: but that is my connection, mirror and mirror. See that's 815 00:48:47,445 --> 00:48:50,685 Speaker 1: my tangent. Oh, they should update Candy Man, and they 816 00:48:50,685 --> 00:48:55,445 Speaker 1: should make it about the missing neutrons. About the missing neutrons. 817 00:48:55,885 --> 00:48:59,685 Speaker 1: M Gabby is the missing neutron anyway. Um, So I 818 00:48:59,765 --> 00:49:01,725 Speaker 1: tried to find the results from this experiment because oh 819 00:49:01,765 --> 00:49:03,685 Speaker 1: my gosh, what if she did open a portal and 820 00:49:03,725 --> 00:49:06,565 Speaker 1: I was conducted in twenty nineteen. But I found nothing. 821 00:49:07,365 --> 00:49:14,005 Speaker 1: So because maybe listen, she's on Twitter and she's like 822 00:49:14,205 --> 00:49:16,285 Speaker 1: there regularly. So if you all want to ask her, 823 00:49:16,725 --> 00:49:19,085 Speaker 1: hit her up, be my guest. Let's figure this out together. 824 00:49:19,485 --> 00:49:22,725 Speaker 1: I love that this is the This took me way 825 00:49:22,725 --> 00:49:24,605 Speaker 1: deeper than I thought we were going to and I 826 00:49:24,645 --> 00:49:28,005 Speaker 1: love it. Oh, well, you're thank you. Yeah, I hope 827 00:49:28,005 --> 00:49:31,125 Speaker 1: it was a little bit understandable. I don't know, you're 828 00:49:31,165 --> 00:49:35,205 Speaker 1: the atomy, not the astrology, the astronomy person. I mean, 829 00:49:35,245 --> 00:49:37,685 Speaker 1: I just like to look at the sky. Yeah, but 830 00:49:37,725 --> 00:49:40,045 Speaker 1: you're also like, ooh, there's Mars. I don't know what 831 00:49:40,085 --> 00:49:44,885 Speaker 1: Mars looks like. Yeah, you do we talked about it. No, 832 00:49:45,245 --> 00:49:47,285 Speaker 1: but I did find out this week that my mars 833 00:49:47,365 --> 00:49:50,165 Speaker 1: is in Scorpio and so is my venus. Oh that's hot. 834 00:49:50,605 --> 00:49:55,685 Speaker 1: Yeah see astrology astronomy, big difference. But whatever, Well, this 835 00:49:55,845 --> 00:49:58,965 Speaker 1: was our episode. You know, we've got some funtasy, we've 836 00:49:58,965 --> 00:50:03,605 Speaker 1: got some science, we've got some mirror Universe situations going on. 837 00:50:04,565 --> 00:50:08,085 Speaker 1: So just a normal davergross episode, I would say, yeah, okay, yeah, 838 00:50:08,125 --> 00:50:11,365 Speaker 1: this one was pretty normal. Okay, well, thank you so 839 00:50:11,445 --> 00:50:16,085 Speaker 1: much for joining. Any last remarks, my fellow I was 840 00:50:16,125 --> 00:50:19,525 Speaker 1: gonna say, fellow communists. Sorry, I know you guys are communists. 841 00:50:20,965 --> 00:50:28,285 Speaker 1: Fell a fellows fell at my neutron. Hi, guys, I 842 00:50:28,365 --> 00:50:30,525 Speaker 1: didn't want you to figure find this it out this way, 843 00:50:30,605 --> 00:50:34,805 Speaker 1: but I am my mirror universe self. We switched. Okay. 844 00:50:35,605 --> 00:50:38,565 Speaker 1: Um oh my gosh, that reminds me of us. That 845 00:50:39,005 --> 00:50:42,125 Speaker 1: is a freaking scary movie. Okay, Well, you know, I 846 00:50:42,245 --> 00:50:45,365 Speaker 1: hope we never have to go through Mirror Universe people 847 00:50:45,845 --> 00:50:49,485 Speaker 1: again because again ever, because I just think I would 848 00:50:49,525 --> 00:50:52,165 Speaker 1: freak out and probably have a heart attack. Okay, well, 849 00:50:53,005 --> 00:50:55,245 Speaker 1: this is a great closing remark. Love you all so much, 850 00:50:55,605 --> 00:51:06,965 Speaker 1: and I kiss you all the forehead. Good night, Dagal. 851 00:51:11,285 --> 00:51:14,245 Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio. 852 00:51:14,645 --> 00:51:19,085 Speaker 1: It is edited, produced, researched, et cetera by Taylor Church, 853 00:51:19,165 --> 00:51:21,965 Speaker 1: Gabby Watts, and Nica Art. You can follow us on 854 00:51:22,045 --> 00:51:26,125 Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter at cadaver g a l S. 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