WEBVTT - Founding Son: Episode 5 - Amistad

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Bob Crawford. This is founding son John Quincy's America.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a summer morning, eighteen thirty nine. The hatch leading

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<v Speaker 1>below the deck of the ship lifted. A hard shaft

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<v Speaker 1>of light shot through the dank feted ship's hold. Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Sinke winced as he struggled to open his eyes, dazed,

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<v Speaker 1>unsure of his surroundings, pain shot through his legs. He

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<v Speaker 1>tried to lift them. They wouldn't budge. He was chained

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<v Speaker 1>to a long line of men, women and children. Months

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<v Speaker 1>had passed since he was in his village in what

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<v Speaker 1>is now Sierra Leone. He was surrounded by water, no

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<v Speaker 1>idea where he was, how he got here, or where

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<v Speaker 1>he was going. When the sun shined, Sinke and the

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<v Speaker 1>other captives were brought to the deck for fresh air,

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<v Speaker 1>while the cabin boy shoveled out the excrement from the

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<v Speaker 1>slave quarters. Sink took the opportunity to familiarize himself with

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<v Speaker 1>his surroundings, taking note of everything he saw. Aboard the

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<v Speaker 1>ship named Amistad. There was a captain, a cook, and

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of crew members. The details are murky, but somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps with the nail he'd found in the ship's waterlogged

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<v Speaker 1>boards sink unchained himself and the other captives. When night fell,

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<v Speaker 1>they stormed the deck, found a cache of machetes and

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<v Speaker 1>seized the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>They killed the captain, and they killed the cook on board.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Elliott is the curator of American Slavery at the

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<v Speaker 1>Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they forced the two men on board to

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<v Speaker 2>help them navigate back to Africa, back to Sierra Leone.

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<v Speaker 1>Cinke and the other Africans had no idea the men

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<v Speaker 1>who were now their captives were enslavers, the very men

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for their abduction. These men didn't steer the ship

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<v Speaker 1>back to Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>Those two men actually managed to navigate the ship into

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<v Speaker 2>the US waters.

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<v Speaker 1>They were spotted off the coast of Long Island. A

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<v Speaker 1>lieutenant named Thomas Gedney looked out from his ship to

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<v Speaker 1>see a vessel in tatters. The draggled sails and a

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<v Speaker 1>colorfully dressed black crew. Quite a curious sight. Get and

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<v Speaker 1>his crew boarded the suspicious vessel, and they could tell

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<v Speaker 1>right away what had gone down. The human cargo of

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<v Speaker 1>the Amistad had risen up and slaughtered their captors. Gedney

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<v Speaker 1>took charge of the Amistad and brought the vessel to

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<v Speaker 1>nearby Connecticut. Sinke and the dozens of other captives were arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>charged with murder and piracy, placed in a prison cell

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<v Speaker 1>to await trial. Their story hit the newspapers the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>A bloody slave insurrection on the high seas. Overnight it

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<v Speaker 1>became a national sensation. Were these African captives heroes struggling

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<v Speaker 1>for freedom or murderers? The headline shattered the peace and

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<v Speaker 1>quiet John Quincy Adams was hoping to enjoy during a

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<v Speaker 1>break at his home, Peacefield. He was preparing for the

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<v Speaker 1>next session of Congress, but couldn't get the Amicod case

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<v Speaker 1>out of his head. He knew he shouldn't get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>He also knew he couldn't help himself. Chapter five, Amistad.

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<v Speaker 1>The Case of the Amistad ignited America's debate over slavery

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<v Speaker 1>like never before.

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<v Speaker 3>This becomes a cause celeb for the American abolition movement

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<v Speaker 3>because you've got roughly fifty African people who struck for

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<v Speaker 3>their freedom in a jail cell in New Haven.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Newman is a professor of history at Rochester Institute

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<v Speaker 1>of technology. He says there were a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>trying to re enslave the African captives now living in

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<v Speaker 1>a jail cell, and Lieutenant Gedney, who commandeered the ship,

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to win salvage rights for the human property

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<v Speaker 1>he found aboard the Amistad.

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<v Speaker 3>He estimates that the property and the enslaved people themselves

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<v Speaker 3>are worth about sixty five thousand dollars at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it as to cash in on this, and

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<v Speaker 3>abolitionists rushed to the scene to try to aid the

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<v Speaker 3>Amistad rebels and to oppose anything that would re enslave them.

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<v Speaker 1>Black and white abolitionists seized the moment. They rallied around

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<v Speaker 1>the case, raised money, recruited new anti slavery activists, and

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<v Speaker 1>while this was becoming a great moment for abolitionists, it

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<v Speaker 1>threatened to destroy the coalition keeping President Martin van Buren

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<v Speaker 1>in power.

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<v Speaker 4>The Van Buren administration was built on a North South coalition,

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<v Speaker 4>and the last thing he wanted was a national case

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<v Speaker 4>which could split that coalition between Southerners who viewed this

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<v Speaker 4>as a life and death issue and Northerners, who maybe

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<v Speaker 4>would have been more inclined to side with the captives.

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<v Speaker 1>That's John Quincy Adams biographer James Traub. He says Van

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<v Speaker 1>Buren's problems didn't end at home.

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<v Speaker 4>The international problem was one that any such administration would

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<v Speaker 4>have faced, which is that the captives were seen as

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<v Speaker 4>property of Spanish nationals.

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<v Speaker 1>These Spanish nationals were the two enslavers aboard the Amistad

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<v Speaker 1>who survived, Jose Ruiz and Pedro Montes. They appealed to

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<v Speaker 1>the local courts and the Van Buren administration to have

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<v Speaker 1>their human cargo return to them under America's seventeen to

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five treaty with Spain. The Spanish government also demanded

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<v Speaker 1>that Van Buren return the captives to Cuba, still a

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish colony and the ship's original destination. That's where they

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<v Speaker 1>should stand trial for murder.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not about people, it's about things. It would

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<v Speaker 4>have required them to return those things to Spain if

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<v Speaker 4>Spain requested them.

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<v Speaker 1>John Quincy Adams found it impossible to escape the Amistad

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<v Speaker 1>case even in the solitude of his Massachusetts home. Old

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<v Speaker 1>friends and newspapers reached out repeatedly. Adams, you have too

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<v Speaker 1>great a voice to remain silent, They argued, what is

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion on the case. As pressure mounted, Adams kept

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<v Speaker 1>his lips sealed.

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<v Speaker 5>In his diary, he wrote, prudence would forbid my giving

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<v Speaker 5>an opinion upon it at any time, and if I

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<v Speaker 5>ever do, it must be with great consideration and self control.

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<v Speaker 1>While many tried to pull Adams into the case, there

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<v Speaker 1>were important people pleading with him to stay out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>His surviving son, Charles Francis, was in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>a campaign for the Massachusetts State House at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>He begged him not to get in any deeper with

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<v Speaker 1>the radical abolitionists.

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<v Speaker 3>And when his son says, you know, you don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to get involved in this, what he's thinking is this

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<v Speaker 3>is a huge cause. Select ye, this could undermine everything

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<v Speaker 3>you're working for. But John Quincy Adams thinks the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>John Quincy's wife Louisa, also begged him not to get

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the case, and he listened and stayed out,

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<v Speaker 1>watching from Afar. Meanwhile, abolitionist lawyers representing the African captives

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get their side of the story, but the

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<v Speaker 1>captives didn't speak a lick of Spanish. This was surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>The two enslavers aboard the ship claimed the captives came

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<v Speaker 1>from Cuba, not Africa. This is actually a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>The American government banned the import of slaves into the

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<v Speaker 1>United States in eighteen oh eight.

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<v Speaker 2>No ship could come in from the continent of Africa

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<v Speaker 2>importing people into the States to sell into the slave trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Elliott again, so there.

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<v Speaker 2>Was this sense of if someone was brought in from Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot as enslaved.

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<v Speaker 4>Had they been brought directly to the United States, that

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<v Speaker 4>would have clearly violated the prohibition of the Constitution against

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<v Speaker 4>the slave trade.

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<v Speaker 1>James Trupp says the slave traders Montes and Ruiz were

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<v Speaker 1>attempting to do something fairly common at this time, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>slave laundering.

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<v Speaker 4>What they tried to do, and this is not uncommon

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, is they brought them to Cuba so

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<v Speaker 4>that they could then claim that they had actually been

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<v Speaker 4>in Spanish property all this while they were not actually

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<v Speaker 4>recently abducted people, and then they could in effect be

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<v Speaker 4>rebranded as long standing slaves from Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>If lawyers for the captured rebels could prove this, they

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<v Speaker 1>could shatter Montes and Ruiz's case. But these lawyers had

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<v Speaker 1>never heard any of the languages spoken by Sinke and

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<v Speaker 1>the others, and they had no way to speak with

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<v Speaker 1>their clients. Then Listeness leader Lewis Tappan came across a

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<v Speaker 1>sailor in New Haven who recognized that most of the

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<v Speaker 1>captives were in fact known as Mendy, and he spoke

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<v Speaker 1>a shared second language of the Mendy captives, a language

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<v Speaker 1>called VI. Finally, the captives were able to tell the

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<v Speaker 1>story of violence and horror they endured. Just weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>their case kicked off in a district court in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 1>A man named Roger Sherman Baldwin defended them, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had an impressive pedigree.

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<v Speaker 4>Roger Sherman Baldwin was the grandson of Roger Sherman, the

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<v Speaker 4>great Connecticut figure who was one of the signers of

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<v Speaker 4>the Constitution. He is the I don't know what great

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<v Speaker 4>grandfather of the man who founded the American Civil Liberties Union,

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<v Speaker 4>Roger Baldwin. So this is a man with a great lineage,

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<v Speaker 4>both before him and beyond him.

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<v Speaker 1>When the case kicked off, Montes and Ruiz, the Spanish government,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lieutenant Gedney all claimed some form of ownership of

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<v Speaker 1>the captives. Roger Baldwin argued in their defense, explaining that

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<v Speaker 1>these African prisoners were not murderers or slaves. They were

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<v Speaker 1>free men, women, and children who had been forcibly kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>from their homes. Cinke sat on the floor of the

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<v Speaker 1>court and held his hands together clinched in fists to

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<v Speaker 1>show how they were manacled. When the testimony was complete,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge ruled that the captives were quote natives of

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<v Speaker 1>Africa and were born free and ever since have been

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<v Speaker 1>and still of right are free and not slaves. The

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<v Speaker 1>judge ordered the captives repatriated to Africa. They joined the

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<v Speaker 1>abolitionists in a celebration over the ruling, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>last long. The US District attorney, under direct pressure from

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<v Speaker 1>the Van Buren administration, filed an appeal with the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court. Abolitionists representing the captives worried they wouldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the same ruling in the highest court of the land.

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<v Speaker 1>The first trial took place in the northern state of Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court was made up of almost entirely enslavers.

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<v Speaker 1>Panic took cold. They needed someone with gravitas and experience

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<v Speaker 1>before the High court. A not so secret weapon. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty, John Quincy Adams received a couple of visitors,

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<v Speaker 1>a Boston abolitionist friend and Lewis Tappan, two longtime abolitionists

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<v Speaker 1>who had helped found the American anti slavery movement.

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<v Speaker 4>Adams knew them because he had become the conduit for

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<v Speaker 4>anti slavery petitions. He was the only man in the

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<v Speaker 4>Congress who was willing to speak up for the nas

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<v Speaker 4>antislavery cause, and so the early anti slavery figures looked

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<v Speaker 4>to Adams as their champion.

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<v Speaker 1>They pressed Adams to join the Amistad defense team. Roger

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<v Speaker 1>Balwin was a good lawyer, but this was primetime. They

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<v Speaker 1>needed a well known champion for the national stage of

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court. Adams thought they were crazy. He had

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<v Speaker 1>seen too many winters to take on such an important case.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in his seventies, his eyesight was fading, he

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<v Speaker 1>had arthritis. No, the answer had to be non right.

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<v Speaker 4>Initially, he really hesitated, But knowing Adams, you know his character,

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<v Speaker 4>the die was cast. He could never resist a situation

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<v Speaker 4>which would allow him to champion the cause of lonely

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<v Speaker 4>discarded people who were seeking their liberty.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, Adams recorded in his diary.

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<v Speaker 6>They urged me so much and represented the case of

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<v Speaker 6>those unfortunate men as so critical it being a case

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<v Speaker 6>of life and death, that I yielded and told them

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<v Speaker 6>that if by the blessing of God, my health and

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<v Speaker 6>strength should permit, I would argue the case before the

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<v Speaker 6>Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>Adams took the case. When we come back, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>trial of the century, John Quincy. Adams had no time

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<v Speaker 1>to waste getting up to speed with the Amistad case.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the fall of eighteen forty and Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>hearing was scheduled for February of eighteen forty one. The

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<v Speaker 1>ex president headed for New Haven, Connecticut to meet with

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<v Speaker 1>his new co counsel, Roger Baldwin.

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<v Speaker 7>He exposed to me his views of the case, the

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<v Speaker 7>points which had been taken before the district and Circuit courts,

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<v Speaker 7>and the motion to dismiss the appeal, which he supposes

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<v Speaker 7>the proper course to be taken before the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after his arrival, Baldwin took Adams to visit the captives.

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<v Speaker 4>The government's claimed that they are property in fact has

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<v Speaker 4>not been accepted. It's been reversed by the courts, but

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<v Speaker 4>they are being held pending appeal in a kind of

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<v Speaker 4>a courtyard area where they wander around. They have rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>James Traubbs says, the captives have been living in this

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<v Speaker 1>purgatory for years. When Adams met with them, many started

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<v Speaker 1>to learn English, including sin Ka, the group's leader.

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<v Speaker 4>Adams was struck, especially by this figure who was known

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<v Speaker 4>as Sinkety, who became thea who became a romantic figure

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<v Speaker 4>in America. He was one of the most drawn figures

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<v Speaker 4>and then photographed in the country. So he must have

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<v Speaker 4>been a very impressive person. And Adams was really struck,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I think that experience made him think, I

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<v Speaker 4>must help these people.

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<v Speaker 1>As the trial date drew near, Adams searched for legal

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<v Speaker 1>precedents that would free the captives.

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<v Speaker 4>He then throws himself into this and spends countless hours

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<v Speaker 4>with the slaves, hearing their story, but also researching the

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<v Speaker 4>case law because there have been several other cases where

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<v Speaker 4>slaves had mutinied and got themselves to the United States

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<v Speaker 4>and then sought to claim that they were free.

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<v Speaker 1>But many of these cases had ended badly, and Adams

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<v Speaker 1>knew it. While he was president, the Supreme Court ruled

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<v Speaker 1>on a mutiny aboard the Spanish slave ship the Antelope.

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<v Speaker 1>The Chief Justice at the time, John Marshall ruled that

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<v Speaker 1>international law barred the liberation of the antelopes human cargo.

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<v Speaker 1>Adams started to worry. Just when the stakes couldn't seem higher,

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<v Speaker 1>he received a letter from one of the captives, a

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<v Speaker 1>Mendi boy named Kalei.

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<v Speaker 8>We wants you to ask the quote, what we have

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<v Speaker 8>done wrong? What for Americans keep us in prison? Some

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<v Speaker 8>people say Mandy people crazy, Mandy people tults because we

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<v Speaker 8>don't talk American language. American people don't talk Mindy language.

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<v Speaker 8>American people crazy tults.

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<v Speaker 1>Arguments before the Supreme Court started on February twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington's birthday. Attorney General Henry Gilpin presented the case

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<v Speaker 1>for the United States. He argued that the Amistad was

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<v Speaker 1>a Spanish vessel marying cargo approved by the country's authorities. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States was obligated by treaty to restore the

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<v Speaker 1>ship and its cargo to the rightful owners, the Spanish government.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, the Spanish authorities could try them for piracy

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<v Speaker 1>and murder. After Gilbrien's opening arguments, it was time for

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<v Speaker 1>John Quincy and his co counsel to make their case.

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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin kicked off the defense saying that the whole world

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<v Speaker 1>was watching.

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<v Speaker 9>This case is not only one of deep interest in

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<v Speaker 9>itself as affecting the destiny of the unfortunate Africans whom

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<v Speaker 9>I represent, but it involves considerations deeply affecting our national character.

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<v Speaker 9>In the eyes of the whole civilized world. It presents

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<v Speaker 9>for the first time the question whether the government which

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<v Speaker 9>was established for the promotion of justice, which was founded

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<v Speaker 9>on the great principles of the Revolution, as proclaimed in

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<v Speaker 9>the Declaration of Independence, can consistently, with the genius of

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<v Speaker 9>our institutions, become a party to proceedings for the enslavement

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<v Speaker 9>of human beings cast upon our shores and found in

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<v Speaker 9>the condition of freemen within the territorial limits of a

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<v Speaker 9>free and sovereign state.

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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin continued, saying, the captives aboard the ship were kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>and forced into bondage. Why would the US government hand

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<v Speaker 1>them back to their.

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<v Speaker 9>Captors, since the master's spirit who guided them had a

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<v Speaker 9>single object in view. That object was not piracy or robbery,

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<v Speaker 9>but the deliverance of himself and his companions in suffering

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<v Speaker 9>from unlawful bondage.

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<v Speaker 1>When he finished, Adams thought Baldwin had done a great

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<v Speaker 1>job laying out the legal argument for the defense, but

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<v Speaker 1>where was the showmanship they needed to break through to

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<v Speaker 1>these justices show them the importance of this moment. John

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy wrote in his diary that Baldwin had been sound

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<v Speaker 1>and eloquent, but exceedingly mild and moderate. Adams had to

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<v Speaker 1>bring the heat. When Adams stood before the court, he

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<v Speaker 1>was no longer the mild mannered president he once was.

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<v Speaker 1>Years of shouting down Southerners in Congress had given him

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<v Speaker 1>an edge ferocity.

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<v Speaker 6>Fitty part of this article was applicable to the case.

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<v Speaker 6>It was in favor of the Africans. They were in

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<v Speaker 6>distress and were brought into our waters by their enemies,

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<v Speaker 6>by those who sought and who are still seeking to

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<v Speaker 6>reduce them from freedom to slavery, his reward for having

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<v Speaker 6>spared their lives in a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Adams railed for over four hours building his case.

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<v Speaker 6>If the good offices of the government are to be

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<v Speaker 6>rendered to the proprietors of shipping in distress, they are

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<v Speaker 6>are due to the Africans only, and the United States

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<v Speaker 6>are now bound to restore the ship to the Africans

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<v Speaker 6>and replace the Spaniards on board as prisoners.

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<v Speaker 1>The court adjourned for the day, deciding Adams could finish

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<v Speaker 1>the next day, but overnight one of the justices died.

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<v Speaker 1>The court sat in recess for a week to mourn

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Philip Barber. When arguments resumed, Adams launched back into it.

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<v Speaker 4>This was the great age of oratory and the ideas

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<v Speaker 4>that you just got up and talked.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody could talk longer or better than Adams could.

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<v Speaker 1>He argued that the seventeen ninety five Treaty with Spain

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<v Speaker 1>did not apply in this.

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<v Speaker 4>Case because these people were not chattels merchandise. They had

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<v Speaker 4>been illegally stolen.

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<v Speaker 1>But Adams, being Adams, wasn't there to simply make a

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<v Speaker 1>legal argument. He was arguing for the soul of the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>This was bigger than case law. This was foundational. Adams

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<v Speaker 1>pointed to the Declaration of Independence.

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<v Speaker 6>The moment you come to the Declaration of Independence that

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<v Speaker 6>every man has a right to life and liberty in

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<v Speaker 6>an alienable right, this case is decided. I ask nothing

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<v Speaker 6>more in behalf of these unfortunate men than this declaration.

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<v Speaker 4>He was speaking to a court that consisted in almost

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<v Speaker 4>entirely of slave owners or slave sympathizers.

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<v Speaker 1>Adams called out the names of justices he stood in

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<v Speaker 1>front of decades ago. For a moment, it was almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if he was conjuring them from the grave.

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<v Speaker 6>Marshall, Cushing, Chase, Washington, Johnson, Livingston, Todd. Where are they alas,

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<v Speaker 6>where is one of the very judges of this court,

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<v Speaker 6>arbiters of life and death before whom I commenced this

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<v Speaker 6>anxious argument? Where are they all gone? Gone, gone, gone

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<v Speaker 6>from the services watch in their day and generation they

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<v Speaker 6>faithfully rendered to their country.

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<v Speaker 3>It's mind blowing Richard Numan Again, he says Adams focused

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<v Speaker 3>the men sitting before him on a single idea, justice,

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<v Speaker 3>And he says, I thought the Supreme Court, like the

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<v Speaker 3>American Republic, was dedicated to the principle of justice. And

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not it's an enslaved person struggling for justice

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<v Speaker 3>or an American citizen struggling for justice, that's the principle

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<v Speaker 3>that should define international law, American politics, and American jurisprudence.

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<v Speaker 1>When Adams wrapped, a reporter wrote that quote, the closing

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<v Speaker 1>part of the speech was the most touching and affecting

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<v Speaker 1>of anything of kind to which I ever listen. He added,

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<v Speaker 1>old man eloquent had given us all. Adams, however, had

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<v Speaker 1>more to give. When he finished presenting his case, he

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<v Speaker 1>tidied up his papers on his desk, packed them into

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<v Speaker 1>his satchel, and walked from the old Supreme Court chambers

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<v Speaker 1>in one part of the Capitol to his desk on

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<v Speaker 1>the house floor in another. The Supreme Court back then

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<v Speaker 1>was actually faster in issuing verdicts than it is today.

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<v Speaker 1>The Court came back with its ruling just a week

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<v Speaker 1>and a half later, but in that short time a

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<v Speaker 1>new president had taken office. On March fourth, eighteen forty one,

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<v Speaker 1>William Henry Harrison of Ohio was inaugurated as the ninth

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States. Martin Van Buren was out.

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<v Speaker 1>Would the court case his administration set in motion be

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<v Speaker 1>decided in his favor? Justice Joseph's Story issued the majority

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<v Speaker 1>opinion of the court.

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<v Speaker 10>He wrote, they are natives of Africa and were kidnapped

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<v Speaker 10>there and were unlawfully transported to Cuba in violation of

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<v Speaker 10>the law and treaties of Spain and the most solemn

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<v Speaker 10>edicts and declarations of that government.

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<v Speaker 1>The Court ruled seven to one in favor of the captives.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty clear that before John Quincy Adams actually gave

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<v Speaker 3>the serration that some members of the court were leaning

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<v Speaker 3>in this direction. The ground had already been tilled. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also sure that John Quincy Adams, as a former president,

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<v Speaker 3>a renowned statesman, someone who'd been on the front lines

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<v Speaker 3>of the gagrule debates, and then someone who actually gave

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<v Speaker 3>this great multi hour speech on the side of justice,

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<v Speaker 3>convinced people on the street court that they couldn't go backwards,

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<v Speaker 3>They couldn't support the extradition of the Amistad slave rebels

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<v Speaker 3>after all that had written written about it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty sure that that convinces at least a few people

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<v Speaker 3>like Joseph's story to support the Amistade Slave Rebels.

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<v Speaker 1>Story later described Adam's argument as.

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<v Speaker 10>Extraordinary for its power and its bitter sarcasm, and its

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<v Speaker 10>dealings with topics far beyond the record and points of discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Ecstasy rippled through the abolitionist's communities. In the jail, however,

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<v Speaker 1>the captives were cut off from the outside world. They

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<v Speaker 1>were still nervously awaiting the news. Then an abolitionist arrived

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<v Speaker 1>with the newspaper. The Big Court has come to a decision.

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<v Speaker 1>They say that you one and all are free. The

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<v Speaker 1>captives were skeptical. They had been let down by previous

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<v Speaker 1>rulings time and again. But Kala, the group's best reader,

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<v Speaker 1>took a look at the paper. It was true. They

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<v Speaker 1>were going home. The nation celebrated not only the ruling

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<v Speaker 1>but Adams. He had successfully defended the founding ideals of

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<v Speaker 1>the nation when it mattered most. His son was a

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<v Speaker 1>different story. Charles Francis wrote to his father.

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<v Speaker 11>It may be very interesting to yourself and the public

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<v Speaker 11>to be pleading in the Supreme Court, but I must

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<v Speaker 11>admit that I do not greatly admire the anxiety at

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<v Speaker 11>occasions to those of us who do not regard it

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<v Speaker 11>simply as a show.

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<v Speaker 1>And his wife, Louisa, was just glad it was over.

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<v Speaker 3>John Wis Adams did the right thing, and he did

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<v Speaker 3>it knowing that he was the only one doing the

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<v Speaker 3>right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Luisa Thomas is a biographer of Louisa Adams, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did it against Louisa's wishes, and she did come around,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and his involvement in the Amisade case. Abolitionists

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<v Speaker 1>raise funds through the spring and summer to send the

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<v Speaker 1>captives back home. In November, they began their journey. Before

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<v Speaker 1>their departure, Adams received a gift, a Bible signed by

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<v Speaker 1>Sinke in Colin on Behalf of Them All. Friends pushed

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<v Speaker 1>Adams to make a public show of the gift, but

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't his style. This was a private moment between

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<v Speaker 1>him and the people he had befriended.

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<v Speaker 6>And mister Lewis Tappan has been extremely desirous to having

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<v Speaker 6>this done by a public exhibition and ceremony, which I

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<v Speaker 6>have repeatedly and inflexibly declined from a clear conviction of

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<v Speaker 6>its impropriety and an invincible repugnance to exhibiting myself as

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<v Speaker 6>a public rary show.

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<v Speaker 1>John Quincy cherished the gift. If you go to Peacefield,

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<v Speaker 1>It's the kind of prized possession I mean. He was

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<v Speaker 1>immensely proud of his work on that case, as he

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<v Speaker 1>had every right to be. The Amistad case was a

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<v Speaker 1>victory for Sinke and his fellow captives. Abolitionists had dealt

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<v Speaker 1>the slaveocracy a decisive blow, with Adams landing the knockout punch.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a defining moment for America's founding son. It

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<v Speaker 1>elevated him from a failed ex president to a nash

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<v Speaker 1>No hero. On the next Founding Son.

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<v Speaker 7>To not cry. I hope to meet you all in heaven.

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<v Speaker 12>This was a time when even Boston was having, you know,

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<v Speaker 12>condolence parades for the fallen Andrew Jackson. But John Quincy

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<v Speaker 12>Adams was true to himself.

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<v Speaker 6>Jackson was a hero, a murder, an adulter, and a

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<v Speaker 6>profoundly pious Presbyterian who in his last days of his

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<v Speaker 6>life but lied and slandered me before the world.

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<v Speaker 1>was recorded under a SAG after a collective bargaining agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Bob Crawford. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 4>School of Humans