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Speaker 1: Because there's so much life has happened since we last

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Speaker 2: and getting clear about what your values are what is

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Speaker 2: important to you, because a huge thing I also see

438
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: is because we're so overwhelmed, we end up taking on

439
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: all this responsibility for things we don't have control over,

440
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: and then we neglect the things in our life that

441
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Speaker 2: we do have control over. I'll give you an example.

442
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Speaker 2: I'm a pa I have a two and a half

443
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Speaker 2: year old. I am bombarded all the time with parenting

444
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Speaker 2: content that makes me feel as the one wrong thing

445
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: will ruin my child. So it is very easy to

446
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Speaker 2: get caught up in all these things I have to

447
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: do and if I'm not doing this, and I'm not

448
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: doing that, and then we don't read the parenting book

449
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: that we have, or we don't implement and practice the

450
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: things that we already decided or know, We don't go

451
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: back to our values because we're just constantly seeking the

452
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 2: next solution, the next magic fix, the next thing. It

453
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: feels better a lot of times to research than to

454
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Speaker 2: actually put into practice what we know. But as a result,

455
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Speaker 2: if we're only looking externally, if we're only collecting more information,

456
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Speaker 2: we're just going to get more overwhelmed and not actually

457
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Speaker 2: make a difference where.

458
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Speaker 1: We can Oh, gosh, yes, that's so important, because it

459
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Speaker 1: is I see the parenting content. I don't even have kids,

460
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Speaker 1: and I'm overwhelmed. What plays a role in me being

461
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: like do I want? I can't because I'm a little

462
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Speaker 1: not sure I can handle all of this even though

463
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Speaker 1: I have full Well, no, I'm a great adult and

464
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm capable. Yeah, it's crazy that the little seeds it's

465
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: planting to really just push us in one direction or another.

466
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Speaker 1: I think there's also a piece to this too where

467
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Speaker 1: I would.

468
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Speaker 2: Love for you to share.

469
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Speaker 1: I do not know how the heck to really have

470
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Speaker 1: to give this advice. Yeah, but take it as somebody

471
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Speaker 1: who's on social media and they're really trying to understand

472
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: what they're consuming, and they're trying to be this person

473
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: and is having a little bit more discernment with things,

474
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Speaker 1: and they're trying to understand that things aren't always meant

475
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: for them. What is that advice that you're trying to

476
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: give them or maybe tools you're trying to give them

477
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Speaker 1: to work through this particular day and age this moment

478
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: in time where they're faced with these two.

479
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Speaker 2: Choices, if you will. I think one thing to do

480
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: is when you see advice that you think is good

481
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: and you want to apply, I would ask yourself, what

482
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: is the nuance here? What might be missing from this?

483
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: How can I, even if you love it, how can

484
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: I maybe do this in not the extreme way that

485
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: someone's talking about it. Because even if there is a

486
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: nuance to something, we tend to as humans take it

487
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: to the extreme. We then see things in the extreme.

488
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: Our mental health often dictates how we take something on.

489
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: So we're already pretty towards the more extreme end of

490
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: things anyway, So checking in and asking yourself, is there

491
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Speaker 2: another way I can look at this? What might the

492
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: nuance be that's missing? How can I implement this ten percent?

493
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: Instead of the big issue I see as people want

494
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 2: overnight change, they want to hack, they want a secret,

495
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: they want their life to be totally for an overnight,

496
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: and then they try to do something it is completely

497
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: unrealistic for them, and then they end up feeling like

498
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: a failure and giving up and doing nothing. Compared to right,

499
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: I'll give an example of the circadian rhythm walks that

500
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: people love to talk about online. Right. Instead of being like, Okay,

501
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: every morning as the sun comes up, I must be

502
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: outside for at least twenty minutes every single day, it's

503
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: like Okay, could you just try to go outside once

504
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: a day and look at the sun? No? Really, because

505
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: honestly that's hard.

506
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So again, like, can we find the small what

507
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: is the smallest step possible you can take towards that,

508
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: and let's be consistent with that.

509
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Speaker 2: First.

510
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Speaker 1: This is such a very especially right now and happening

511
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Speaker 1: in my life. I had gone through some major health

512
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: problems and I had some really bad long COVID and

513
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: so I finally got to this point where I had

514
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: to really take some drastic measures to get better. And

515
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because I've been documenting it, not because

516
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: I feel like people should do it. I feel like

517
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: it's more information for people who might be struggling with

518
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: the chronic health problems and don't have answers. But what's

519
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: wild about sharing that is I've always had to be

520
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: clear of this is my body and this is my experience, Like, yeah,

521
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: I need you to understand that your body is going

522
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: to be different, and that you're going to have different

523
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: things that you need based on your own literal genetics

524
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: and blood and all the things that are pumping through

525
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: you that I don't have. And it's wild that even

526
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: has to come to such a pivotal point that a

527
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: stranger has to say it of like, hey, just please

528
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: do this for you in the way that's going to

529
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: be working for your body. But I wish that I

530
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: could remind everybody that for all things, not just the

531
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: health that I'm sharing online recently, but like everything I

532
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: see online is I take it with a grain of salt.

533
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: It's like a trend.

534
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Speaker 1: If I see something that brings me a lot of

535
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: joy and I want to try it, then I'm going

536
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: to try it. But if I see it I'm like, oh,

537
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't quite think that's for me, or that's going

538
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: to look really bad on me, I'm probably not.

539
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: Gonna do that. Then I'm not going to do it

540
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: just because I saw it online.

541
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Speaker 1: There's so much to this where it's you had mentioned

542
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: it and we talk about the bean soup theory. Everything

543
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: is not meant for you in a great way, right

544
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: because just because something isn't meant for you doesn't mean

545
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: something else won't be. There's all of these things out

546
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: there that.

547
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: You can find your corner of the internet.

548
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: That is, things that you love and that you like,

549
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: and it can be this positive space. So it's like

550
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: you were talking about this, and that's what it reminded

551
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: me of. Just Yes, we're in a very for you

552
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: time where your feet is very for you and they

553
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: think they know you. Yeah, you're the one who knows

554
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: what you feel, you know what you like, you know

555
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: what makes you happy, and the best way to make

556
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: sure that's what's in your life is to continue to

557
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: like have that autonomy over your life.

558
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I love that example too, because I think that

559
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: in this age of everyone telling us what to do,

560
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: we forget that it's optional. Like we forget that just

561
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: because this worked for someone doesn't mean it will work

562
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: for us. We forget that just because someone made something

563
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: that isn't for us also doesn't mean that it's harmful

564
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: to us or it's leaving us out either. I think

565
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: a lot about there's a word in therapy called psychological flexibility,

566
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: and it essentially means it's one of the biggest predictors

567
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: of good mental health, like your ability to react to things,

568
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: to adapt, to think about things differently. All of those

569
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: are positively correlated with being mentally well. So I think

570
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: a lot about how can we, and I talk to

571
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Speaker 2: my clients about this, create more psychological flexibility for us

572
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: especially in a world that's against it, and some of

573
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: those things you can do are purposely exposing yourself to

574
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: things that you don't necessarily agree with or are different.

575
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't even need to be like rage baiting either,

576
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: because I think that's what we think of. But just

577
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: like someone who has a totally different perspective than you,

578
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: who lives in a different place, who has different ideas,

579
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: engage with that, get curious about how that person came

580
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: to be and how their perspective is shaped when you're

581
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: like when you're frustrated with someone or a situation, like

582
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: starting to practice. I love giving my clients an assignment

583
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: of So often we have an assessment about a situation

584
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: and we don't think about what other possibilities there are.

585
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: But just because someone did something and we think that

586
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: they did it for X Y reason doesn't mean there

587
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: aren't other reasons at play. So purposefully trying to think

588
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: of what is another way could interpret their behavior. What

589
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: is the most generous way, what is the least generous way?

590
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: What is the middle way? Like practicing like I think

591
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: of it in terms of my brain, like practicing moving

592
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: your brain around a situation. To just develop that skill

593
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: of recognizing that you have a perspective, but you are

594
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: not your perspective, right, you have one, but that is

595
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: not you. It is not fixed.

596
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: And other people have different perspectives too. Oh my gosh,

597
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: that's so important when you were not your perspective. I'm like,

598
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Yeah, because I mind you. We can

599
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: have this whole conversation. And I know full well that

600
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I have been guilty of doing so many of these

601
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: different things, right, I've gotten caught up in it. I've

602
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: made the mistakes. But it's interesting to hear you talk

603
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: about that flexibility, this mindset of that because way back

604
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: when I was in college, my freshman year and I

605
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: was studying leadership. I remember this class so vividly. Our

606
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: professor made us all sit in a circle. We were

607
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: all of different cultures, different nationalities, different beliefs, different views,

608
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: and we had to talk about the things that you

609
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about, right. We had to talk

610
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: about these very divisive topics, and we were all different.

611
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: We all had so many different opinions.

612
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Speaker 1: But when we left that room, it's not like we

613
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: were mad at each other or we hated each other.

614
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: It was like we actually really loved the experience that

615
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: we had because we came away with different things than

616
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: when we entered that room. And what you're talking about

617
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: reminds me of that, and it's something I wish everybody

618
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: could experience in their lifetime. It's just this constant realization

619
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: that there's so much out there in the world that

620
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: we don't know or we've never had experience with that

621
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: it can only help you by just being a little

622
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: bit more to your saying flexible, I've always called it

623
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Speaker 1: like this openness.

624
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: Of just knowing.

625
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: It's like knowing you don't know everything, but more than that,

626
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: it's being open to the idea that it can shift

627
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: and change and mold. And that's exactly what you're talking about.

628
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: And I just I wish that more people could practice

629
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: that in everyday life. And I know that's hard because

630
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: you don't have a classroom full of people.

631
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: To do that with than everyday life.

632
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: But so if somebody is wanting to do this more

633
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: flexibility mindset, what would you encourage them to do. Hopefully

634
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: some are going to therapy and working through this with

635
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: the help of somebody, but if they're just practicing in

636
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: an everyday life, what are some questions they should be

637
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: asking themselves or maybe some things they can do, because

638
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: social media is a little bit hard to do that

639
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: with because it can be pretty a hostile when you're

640
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: trying to create that environment. Yeah, so maybe in real life,

641
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: I guess would be some better examples.

642
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could start with just getting curious

643
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: like the people in your life. I think that we

644
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: assume we know everything about everyone that's close to us.

645
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: And I guarantee you people in your life have stories,

646
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: things to tell you in knowledge that you don't know

647
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: that they have that would be interesting to you. So yeah,

648
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: I think you could start there. I think you could

649
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: talk to your parents or your friends, your partners. When

650
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: someone starts talking about something, start asking more why questions,

651
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: Start just like acting like a scientist and getting really

652
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: curious about why they came up with this reason, what

653
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: their thought process was, how they came to that conclusion.

654
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: And I think that stretching your mind in different ways

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Speaker 2: or reading I think too, is a really underrated way

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Speaker 2: to do this. We all read so many nonfiction books,

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Speaker 2: I think these days, which is great, but a really

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Speaker 2: great way to get into someone else's head and really

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Speaker 2: be immersed is right by reading fiction and reading like

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Speaker 2: first person fiction. When you're in their brain you understand,

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Speaker 2: especially a really great book, and it is really practicing

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Speaker 2: a skill of realizing that your perspective is not the

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Speaker 2: only one and isn't even you right, because you can

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Speaker 2: then be this other person as you are in their

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Speaker 2: world by reading, for example, very much. So.

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Speaker 1: It's also the other thing where I feel like traveling

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Speaker 1: should be free because it's such an educational experience. You

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Speaker 1: can learn so much about just so many other things,

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Speaker 1: and it really gives you perspective.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like it's so expensive.

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Speaker 1: Because they don't want us to realize that we can

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Speaker 1: learn all that the conspiracy theory that I'll stick with

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Speaker 1: in my head, but I just love talking about all

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Speaker 1: of this with you. Not to hit the nail on

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Speaker 1: the head, but like it is so nuanced in social media.

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Speaker 1: We are in a different day and age than what

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Speaker 1: we used to be before, and whether we want to

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Speaker 1: admit it or not, it's really got a hold on

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Speaker 1: a lot of our lives. And the best thing we

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Speaker 1: can do is be having these conversations to just take

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Speaker 1: a step back and hopefully we can in another way

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Speaker 1: rewire our brains to do some things differently.

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Speaker 2: So I do want to end though on something.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't get to something that you want to

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Speaker 1: make sure we talk about, or maybe something inspirational, motivational,

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Speaker 1: whatever is on your heart right now.

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Speaker 2: I think that we have really become just consumers and

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Speaker 2: we need to take the energy and shift the power

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Speaker 2: back to what does our remembering, what power we do have?

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Speaker 2: What do you want your relationship with social media to

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Speaker 2: look like? What do you want your community to look like?

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Speaker 2: What do you want your relationship with your friends, your

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Speaker 2: family worth like? Because of how much overwhelm has happened,

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Speaker 2: because of how the world has shifted, it feels very

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Speaker 2: much like everything is happening to us, which I completely

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Speaker 2: understand and relate to as well. But I think the

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Speaker 2: more we can come back into ourselves, think about our values,

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Speaker 2: think about what we want to create, and start taking

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Speaker 2: small action towards that. Even if you're not successful quote

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Speaker 2: unquote with creating what you want, it feels much better

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Speaker 2: to be putting your energy or towards that instead of

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Speaker 2: spinning your wheels about something you don't have a ton

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Speaker 2: of control over.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a really good place for us to

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Speaker 1: end on, because it is true and hopefully again this

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Speaker 1: is something that will at the very least make us

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Speaker 1: think a little bit more and I'll be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more paying attention to what's happening and what we're consuming.

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Speaker 1: So Amanda, thank you for your time, Thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on here, and I appreciate you as always. And go

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Speaker 1: ahead and chaut out your podcast so they can check

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Speaker 1: that out because we need some more nuance.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so my podcast is called Nuance Needed. It's failable

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Speaker 2: everywhere you get podcasts. And she is therapy for women

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. I love following her.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, she has what I call them substacks,

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Speaker 1: is just these really long carousels, but they're great.

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Speaker 2: They're so informative.

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Speaker 1: So if you are wanting to just challenge yourself a

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Speaker 1: little bit further, it's great content to have.

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Speaker 2: So thank you again, Amanda, I appreciate it. Thank you all.

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Speaker 1: Next week I may do another guest interview because I

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Speaker 1: have awesome one's ready for you guys. Or I can

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Speaker 1: do an even deeper dive on social media and share

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Speaker 1: with you all my experience working in this field aka

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Speaker 1: digital world for the last ten years and answer some questions.

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Speaker 1: Let me know what you think because As I always say,

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Speaker 1: this podcast is for you and I want you all

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Speaker 1: to have the content that you want. Subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: podcast because that super helps me out, and go follow

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Speaker 1: along on social media if you haven't already.

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Speaker 2: At take this

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Speaker 1: Personally, I'm so happy that you're here and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to yap with y'all next week