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Speaker 4: Hello, folks, welcome to a special edition YouTube live for
Speaker 4: Socks Machine on the Foul Territory Network. I am Josh Nelson,
Speaker 4: as we have breaking news this Saturday night. The Chicago
Speaker 4: White Sox, first reported by Jeff Bassett at ESPN, later
Speaker 4: can firmed by Sox Machines Beat reporter James Vegan have
Speaker 4: acquired right handed starting pitcher Luis Castillo in a trade
Speaker 4: with the Seattle Mariners. The White Sox are sending relievers
Speaker 4: Sir Anthony Domingus, outfielder Nolan Jones, and catcher Boston Smith
Speaker 4: in return for the trade and joining me on this
Speaker 4: special edition YouTube live, which we haven't done in a while. Jents,
Speaker 4: it's Sox Machines beat reporter James Vegan and managing editor
Speaker 4: Jim Margolis, and we got breaking news. Jim, and you
Speaker 4: have a very interesting perspective because with you being in Nashville,
Speaker 4: you were watching Charlotte and Nashville reporting on that game
Speaker 4: for US, and you got a chance to experience hug Watch,
Speaker 4: but from a minor league perspective.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a beautiful thing when you see it unfold
Speaker 5: in front of you. But it was weird because on
Speaker 5: with these six game series, I have to remember what
Speaker 5: game was which Eric Has's debut. He left the game
Speaker 5: in the eighth inning after grounding out, and there was
Speaker 5: an awkward pause where Jonathan Cannon had nobody to warm
Speaker 5: up to as he came out to the mound, Chad Pinder,
Speaker 5: the managers and the dugout trying to figure out who's
Speaker 5: supposed to come in. He calls in Corey Lee from
Speaker 5: the bullpen to catch the inning, and so I text
Speaker 5: James like, Eric Hash just left the game, not sure
Speaker 5: if this is anything, and it turns out that he
Speaker 5: had deaderation. I talked to Has the next day. He
Speaker 5: said that he was ground out the third then came back,
Speaker 5: dug out, had a bar for a few times. Must
Speaker 5: have been something he ate and he was back in
Speaker 5: the lineup the next day. So watching tonight and seeing
Speaker 5: in the middle of the inning Chad Pinder come jogging
Speaker 5: to the umpire to inform him about a change, and
Speaker 5: I'm looking and I'm seeing like, well, Ryan Glaney's in
Speaker 5: the box, he's not moving. I looked to rikoon a
Speaker 5: sheet at first base. He's got his arm around on
Speaker 5: Hell Rosario, first base coach, and also the Nashville first
Speaker 5: baseman I think is Brock Wilkin. He's just like standing
Speaker 5: at first base with his arm around both shoulders, and
Speaker 5: so I'm looking at him, thinking, oh, is riku Delta?
Speaker 5: Is he on the move? Is he coming up? As
Speaker 5: Pinder is going with his lineup card talking to the umpire,
Speaker 5: And then Pinder returns to the third base box and
Speaker 5: nobody moves. But then I see Corey Lee once again
Speaker 5: come back to the on deck circle, and so I
Speaker 5: see that was Nolan Jones's spot, and so I, uh
Speaker 5: text James said, like, no one, Nolan Jones just had
Speaker 5: a game stopping departure. I think maybe uh, and you know,
Speaker 5: didn't really see any of the activity yet. Uh, and
Speaker 5: so he said, is this you know, should we Textianish
Speaker 5: about it?
Speaker 1: Like? Well? Then?
Speaker 5: And then I saw Hiro irie Arte shake hands with
Speaker 5: Pinder as he's leaving the clubhouse, like wait, is erie
Speaker 5: Arte going? Is he's just done for the day, because
Speaker 5: sometimes when pitchers are done for the day, they just
Speaker 5: go to the clubhouse. But the handshake was where it's
Speaker 5: I'm like on HI alert trying to figure out who's moving.
Speaker 5: And then I see Jones come h actual hug watch
Speaker 5: hugging people in the dugout. And then he goes across
Speaker 5: as he's going to the tunnel, which is on the
Speaker 5: third base side, giving a couple hugs on the Nashville side, Like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: that's something big. And I would not expect Nolan Jones,
Speaker 5: who has acquired for international money, to be the person
Speaker 5: who would trip you tip me off to something happening,
Speaker 5: because I didn't really factor him into any moves. But yeah,
Speaker 5: sure enough. You know, James starts checking into it and
Speaker 5: then passing breaks it and that's how it all played
Speaker 5: out tonight.
Speaker 4: And James, you just recently wrote the recap, which if
Speaker 4: you are just finding out now, White Sox fans, you
Speaker 4: can read as far as that trade recap on soxmachine
Speaker 4: dot com, so James you wrote in the recap and
Speaker 4: as far as your sources within the White Sox, the
Speaker 4: White Sox with this trade for Luis Castillo or trying
Speaker 4: to thread the needle, can you explain from a White
Speaker 4: Sox ration now why it's Louis Castillo that they targeted
Speaker 4: to add to their starting rotation?
Speaker 6: All right, was in juifs muted because he's controllable. He's
Speaker 6: signed through the end of next year. There's a vestine
Speaker 6: option in his contract for twenty twenty eight. I think
Speaker 6: if it pitches one hundred and eighty innings, so he's
Speaker 6: still throwing hard and he has thirty three. But in
Speaker 6: the idea like this is a multi year solution to
Speaker 6: your rotation. Just last year he like threw one hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty innings of like mid three era ball for me,
Speaker 6: like he's like he's his fast balls are getting hit
Speaker 6: a little bit, but like also like his sliders just
Speaker 6: to find it like declining with rate. There's multiple things
Speaker 6: that you're like, all right, what's their plan for kind
Speaker 6: of arresting the guy who's in his career, worst season
Speaker 6: right now, but clearly still talented in some way. For me,
Speaker 6: The biggest thing that jumps out I was like, this
Speaker 6: guy once had like one of the most like devastating
Speaker 6: changeups in the game and has gone to Seattle. It's
Speaker 6: become slowly like this more and more like distant fourth
Speaker 6: pitch in his arsenal, not saying necessarily like Castillo fits
Speaker 6: the mold of like give a super or a kick
Speaker 6: change or you know, an alternative change up in some
Speaker 6: way necessarily, but like clearly to believe this guy's like
Speaker 6: a multi year solution in your rotation, you have to think,
Speaker 6: like there's some method of restoring like his change up
Speaker 6: to be like what it was at the very least,
Speaker 6: like getting a slider like back to like being a
Speaker 6: thirty percent like misrate pitch, whereas in the twenties.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, that that has to happened too.
Speaker 6: But like, if you're really believing this and putting resources
Speaker 6: to this, I would think you have a plan for
Speaker 6: you know, fixing the change up in some way. That said,
Speaker 6: like as far as threading the needle, demingez like I
Speaker 6: certainly thought you looked bad. I like certainly is outing
Speaker 6: on Saturday uh in Tampa was like the best he's done,
Speaker 6: you know, probably in this whole stretch. I've like his
Speaker 6: statistically been better the last ten outings, but like that
Speaker 6: was the first one really kind of authoritative through the
Speaker 6: inning rather than like kind of getting through it or
Speaker 6: showing you flashes or something. But obviously in falling out
Speaker 6: of your leverage mix, he's part of like the salary
Speaker 6: costs probably be more pallatable. This sucks like they are
Speaker 6: taking on money with you know, Guesdo making twenty two
Speaker 6: point seventy five million, you know whatever the pro rated
Speaker 6: amount for the rest of this year and next is.
Speaker 6: But sir Anthony, you are getting like the ten millions
Speaker 6: out next year off the books and you know whatever
Speaker 6: the rest of the season is. So that's that's definitely
Speaker 6: part of it. Boston Smith. It's it's almost feels like
Speaker 6: there's a little bit of sense of like found money
Speaker 6: and not necessarily that makes them like less valuable or
Speaker 6: anything like that.
Speaker 2: But he was someone who.
Speaker 6: Wasn't necessarily like all right, when we were thinking about
Speaker 6: what the White Sox core is or who the future
Speaker 6: thing is, you know, certain positions are we were probably
Speaker 6: just getting our heads around like where Boston Smith would
Speaker 6: fit into that. It's more of the idea of like
Speaker 6: this is a good bat, it's coming through the system,
Speaker 6: he could help in some ways, and even just it's
Speaker 6: funny because Paul Donnis was doing a availability today pregame.
Speaker 6: You know, it's mostly about draft assignents, but I asked
Speaker 6: about Boston Smith, like do you get to this point
Speaker 6: where he's a little bit raw in terms of catching reps,
Speaker 6: but he's now already bashed his way to double A
Speaker 6: and he's his older prospect, you know, you just he
Speaker 6: kind of differentiated a lot from my my cop which
Speaker 6: was called pro sec of like this guy who's a
Speaker 6: catching prospect, you know, could stick behind the plate, but
Speaker 6: his bat's probably going to axcel him across, you know,
Speaker 6: much faster. Is Smith kind of similar? And he said,
Speaker 6: like it's different in a lot of ways. But he
Speaker 6: also said, like, ultimately, I think like Smith can be
Speaker 6: a good left fielder and the fact that he's catching
Speaker 6: is gonna be privit of his versatility, which is like
Speaker 6: a different profile, and like this guy's for sure on
Speaker 6: the plate and like he's you know, possibly gonna hit
Speaker 6: thirty zo minor league home runs in his first pro season.
Speaker 6: If that's a full time catching prospect, like that's a
Speaker 6: different than like clin of value. Add So if you
Speaker 6: view this guy's like kind of an interesting, you know,
Speaker 6: bat with some versatility but not necessarily your blank guy
Speaker 6: in the future at some premium position. And then you
Speaker 6: have Nolan Jones, who they acquired a you know, a
Speaker 6: cash dealer in the year, who's you know, kind of
Speaker 6: minor league depth, especially left handed. That's not something that
Speaker 6: I have immediate need for that. But like we didn't
Speaker 6: we didn't trade Caleb Bonhamer. We didn't trade like some
Speaker 6: big feet piece of the future core, and we have
Speaker 6: someone who is going to start for multiple years, proven
Speaker 6: playoff starter, and with that, this is the whole thing
Speaker 6: of like you got to get Louis Castillo to no
Speaker 6: longer pitch like he's having the worst year of his career,
Speaker 6: just the small detail of that, and then it becomes
Speaker 6: a pretty good value add.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did get this comment from Benjamin. I'm really
Speaker 4: hoping they see something to fix in Luis this year
Speaker 4: because he's been dreadful. Signed a Luis Castillo fancy baseball owner.
Speaker 4: Best of luck, Benjamin, I think from a White Sox perspective.
Speaker 4: I think we're all hoping, Jim, that the White Sox
Speaker 4: can find something or maybe just joining this White Sox
Speaker 4: club house, because this is something that we spoke about
Speaker 4: in our previous episode that we just recorded yesterday when
Speaker 4: I was pitching. You trade ideas, Jim, like, if you
Speaker 4: bring in a Robbie Ray coming in from the San
Speaker 4: Francisco Giants, does that give him a bump in performance?
Speaker 4: If you went after and got someone like re Debt
Speaker 4: Merse who's been pitching really well, and now Debt Merse
Speaker 4: is not on an Angels team that's struggling, could that
Speaker 4: give him a boost in production? Could Luis Castillo, proven
Speaker 4: veteran starting pitcher that has started post season games, could
Speaker 4: he find a second wind with the White Sox.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the non rental angle of this, Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: Ray being a rental Ray going you know, theoretically back
Speaker 5: on the market after a boost. You know, That's that's
Speaker 5: one thing for Castillo. I mean, there could be a
Speaker 5: boost here because you know, with his struggles with Seattle
Speaker 5: having a crowded rotation, he's you know, they've tried some
Speaker 5: alternate arrangements with them, piggybacking, and uh, he hasn't been
Speaker 5: happy with it, like he's uh it seems like he's
Speaker 5: used to being a workhorse, uh, you know, as the
Speaker 5: modern day workhorses go, and it seemed like, I guess
Speaker 5: his underperformance he got just dissatisfaction and uh he needed
Speaker 5: more runway or perhaps more room than the Mariners are
Speaker 5: willing to give him. So that's a case where there
Speaker 5: is a bounce back potential here. It's just the risk
Speaker 5: of you know, talking about Robbie Ray and saying, well,
Speaker 5: you know, the road splits are kind of scary, and
Speaker 5: if he comes to Chicago and it's not good, then
Speaker 5: you're maybe missing out an upgrade. But then again, you're
Speaker 5: paying a rental price and he's out at the end
Speaker 5: of the year if he's a bad fit or it
Speaker 5: just doesn't quite work in Chicago as opposed to Oracle Park,
Speaker 5: and you can move on and at least for the season.
Speaker 5: For the remaining two months, you signaled to your clubhouse
Speaker 5: and your fan base that you try to do something
Speaker 5: with the resources you had. And so I think with Castillo,
Speaker 5: you know, if you're a rental and they paid more
Speaker 5: of a rental prices I think this is high for
Speaker 5: a rental, then you would say kind of the same
Speaker 5: thing of just well, you know he's it's not so
Speaker 5: long ago that he was a very valuable starter, and
Speaker 5: it could be one tweak and it could be just
Speaker 5: a change of scenery that helps. It's just that if
Speaker 5: it doesn't work out, then you have a big contract
Speaker 5: on the books for next year, and you better hope
Speaker 5: that's Chris Katz or Jerry Reinsdorf, Brooks Boyer. They have
Speaker 5: some revenue ideas in mind to be able to spend
Speaker 5: past it. If it is like acquiring an Andrew benintendee
Speaker 5: for the rotation in the way that like the White
Speaker 5: Sox struggled to spend around the Andrew benin tende inefficiency.
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Speaker 4: from Japanese sponsors, and that can maybe pay for Luis Gesto.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm joking, but I'm also not joking. I think
Speaker 4: we would all love to see a Murkami contract extension.
Speaker 4: But let's take a look as far as in this
Speaker 4: contract again for Castillo, and yeah, you do need him
Speaker 4: to pick it up, Jim, because there could be the
Speaker 4: risk of like a Gene Shields type of albatross contract
Speaker 4: in which the best outcome that you can get if
Speaker 4: he doesn't pick up his play is well, we're comfortable
Speaker 4: having him pitch five innings every fifth day. We're confident
Speaker 4: that he'll give us one hundred and fifty innings. Where
Speaker 4: there's a lot of questions right now in the back
Speaker 4: end of the rotation. But I think what you're really
Speaker 4: hoping for with Castillo is that he does bounce back
Speaker 4: and because of his postseason experienced, Jim, that you would
Speaker 4: like him to maybe be part of the equation. If
Speaker 4: the White Sox can outlast Cleveland and Minnesota, maybe Luis
Speaker 4: Castillo could start a postseason game. I'm assuming that is
Speaker 4: the line of thinking here for the White Sox and
Speaker 4: acquired Castillo as far as like best outcome for this
Speaker 4: is that he does bounce back and we're perfectly fine
Speaker 4: sliding him behind Sean Burke and Davis Martin.
Speaker 5: When you mentioned postseason though, you know, looking through some
Speaker 5: quick Castio research trying to figure out exactly what his
Speaker 5: present state was, it seemed like some of the I mean,
Speaker 5: like it wasn't bad necessarily. There was one bad start,
Speaker 5: like his last start was bad Game four of the Alcs,
Speaker 5: but like Alds was a little bit wobbly. He walked
Speaker 5: four and four and two third scoreless innings, like he
Speaker 5: wasn't quite He did pick up a win out of
Speaker 5: the bullpen in Game five, the fourteenth inning, so like
Speaker 5: he did do that, So that's useful. But just like
Speaker 5: the last start, I think reading through it was kind
Speaker 5: of the start of the worries about Castillo, and so yeah,
Speaker 5: you have it both ways, like he's had good starts
Speaker 5: in the postseason. It is just one outing. It just
Speaker 5: happened to you hit my ear funny in terms of
Speaker 5: having just read abouts it was, Yeah, it all started
Speaker 5: last October, and who knows if that was actually true,
Speaker 5: but it's it's been or you know how much I
Speaker 5: factored in, But it is a case where you know,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm looking at a Mariner's fat a fan
Speaker 5: in the comments right now saying that you know, Cassillo
Speaker 5: has been tough to watch, and just like if there
Speaker 5: if a Mariners fan and trying to picture it from
Speaker 5: a third party, how to Mariner's fan or media received
Speaker 5: this trade. I'm thinking, well, if they've watched him pitch
Speaker 5: poorly all year and he had to have the clunker,
Speaker 5: like they might be laughing at anybody in Chicago trying
Speaker 5: to talk themselves into you know, veteran presence of stabilizing presence.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he is a little bit of a mystery here,
Speaker 5: just in terms of how sticky the struggles are and
Speaker 5: whether he could rebound in time to provide value for
Speaker 5: the rest of the season, for October potentially, and then
Speaker 5: for next season since he is under contract.
Speaker 4: And in our previous episode, when I was pitching trade
Speaker 4: ideas James, I was trying to come up with a
Speaker 4: way that the White Sox could acquire reed debt mers.
Speaker 4: But I don't think that's going to be part of
Speaker 4: the case now and involving that was my idea of
Speaker 4: Billy Carlson and Hagen Smith. But it seems like the
Speaker 4: White Sox frunt office. Let's just start from this perspective,
Speaker 4: they are trying to protect and not move any of
Speaker 4: their top prospects, right, like any one of their top
Speaker 4: five they're trying to hold on to. Is that fair
Speaker 4: to say?
Speaker 6: Sure, I guess that would fit the definition of what
Speaker 6: they put out there of just like, oh, we're trying
Speaker 6: to prioritize our future.
Speaker 2: We're trying to really keep the sustainable. We're trying to
Speaker 2: not let the.
Speaker 6: Immediate needs of the team like over shadow like what
Speaker 6: we're trying to build in.
Speaker 2: Terms of priority.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's an argument that like they can't trade
Speaker 6: three other five top prospects because like that's not allowed
Speaker 6: until after the World Series, and then the other one
Speaker 6: is Caleb Bonhamer, and then you could say, like, uh,
Speaker 6: our fifth is Brady Montgomery and he's already up like
Speaker 6: so like that's yeah, it's pretty true, and just in
Speaker 6: terms of like not Bonomer, but but certainly what they've
Speaker 6: been signaling is trying to one either not sacrifice the
Speaker 6: future for kind of today or short term things or
Speaker 6: to like what they're basically you know, hoping this trade
Speaker 6: pulls off.
Speaker 2: Is doing both.
Speaker 6: Where you're all right, this team is you know, good
Speaker 6: right now. Un Thus you assume they're gonna be good
Speaker 6: next year and you're adding a piece that kind of
Speaker 6: contributes to that and maybe even the year after, and
Speaker 6: not taking away from like what you had yet to
Speaker 6: view or started to view as like this is you
Speaker 6: know the way, I don't think Boston Smith has hit
Speaker 6: extraordinarily well this year, like an incredible you know, increase
Speaker 6: in value from the start of the season. You probably
Speaker 6: haven't thought to like, well, this is who plays first
Speaker 6: base if Mariacami leaves the free agency and maybe like
Speaker 6: someone like Bonhamer or you know, does other offensive options,
Speaker 6: don't I don't know, maybe have taking a more realistic
Speaker 6: place in that your future considerations.
Speaker 2: Smith is a chief just at this point now.
Speaker 4: We did get a question in the comments section, which
Speaker 4: thank you to everyone if you're listening to the recording
Speaker 4: of this. This was our first chance to go live
Speaker 4: under the foul Territory Network. So I'm so grateful for
Speaker 4: everybody to jump in and watch as far as the
Speaker 4: live stream. Let me bring up as far as this
Speaker 4: question here, and this question comes from Justin, and Justin
Speaker 4: is asking what is the chance the White Sox swing
Speaker 4: a move for a higher upside rental starter as well?
Speaker 4: I like the potential upside playoff experience and ability to
Speaker 4: eat innings. But who throws in a short series? So
Speaker 4: that's two and one, James, Let's try to address question
Speaker 4: number one. It's Jose Erkidi and Eric cos. We talked
Speaker 4: about that very minor moves, but now with Luis Castillo,
Speaker 4: is this it for the White Sox or could they
Speaker 4: possibly pull off another move?
Speaker 6: I mean they still want a catcher. I think that's
Speaker 6: still a pressing issue. Kyle Teal is still taking defensive drills
Speaker 6: with his walking boot on, which he says is very
Speaker 6: helpful because it stabilizes his ankle and keeps them from
Speaker 6: pivoting in the way that you know you'd worry about
Speaker 6: giving his sprain, but you know, reflects that he's not
Speaker 6: necessarily close. And you know, Edgar Carroll's looked better of
Speaker 6: recent Timo had a.
Speaker 2: Hit the other night.
Speaker 6: They have said that they want to get a catcher,
Speaker 6: and you know, even like Noah Schultz having a good
Speaker 6: start and Eric Petty and no A Schultz having good
Speaker 6: starts here in Tampa clearly didn't sway them away from
Speaker 6: doing this. So I don't think they've been swayed out
Speaker 6: of what they're trying to add to their catching depth.
Speaker 6: You know, certainly kind of a more credible kind of
Speaker 6: guy to throw out there on a regular basis stel
Speaker 6: Teal comes back. Until then, they would still like to
Speaker 6: add relief help some degree, Like even if they're making
Speaker 6: this move, they're not calling up Hagan Smith and Taran
Speaker 6: McDougal from what I've been told, So clearly don't view
Speaker 6: that it's quite ready or a sure thing yet at
Speaker 6: this point. So fair to say, maybe less of a
Speaker 6: priority now that you've put these resources, Maybe more of
Speaker 6: a priority now you've traded to Anthony de Mingez, guy
Speaker 6: who may be falling out of your trust, but you know,
Speaker 6: certainly someone who's threw hard and had postseason experience. These
Speaker 6: are still elements. Starting Pitcher was far and away like
Speaker 6: the most pressing need and something that you couldn't really
Speaker 6: wrap your mind into saying like they had an acceptable
Speaker 6: alternative that they canterrito a house the way you came
Speaker 6: with the bullpen, probably less so with catcher. You know,
Speaker 6: even if Caro and Romo I've had, you know, decent starts.
Speaker 6: This one series that I'm currently at.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the Seattle Mariner fans being in the chat
Speaker 4: as well. We greatly appreciate your guys' perspective because obviously
Speaker 4: you've seen a lot more Luis Castillo than we have.
Speaker 4: This is from Nicholas Castillo. Be great with the White
Speaker 4: Sox young starting pitchers. And again this is just not
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty six. This is also for twenty twenty
Speaker 4: seven and then vesting option in twenty twenty eight. So
Speaker 4: as far as future roster constructed for the Chicago White Sox,
Speaker 4: it's Sean Berg, Davis mar and Luis Castillo. The White
Speaker 4: Sox sill have another year the d K. This does
Speaker 4: give the White Sox some buffers, well Jim if they
Speaker 4: cannot figure out what to do with Hagen Smith or
Speaker 4: if Tanner McDougal is better suited in the bullpen. Noahs
Speaker 4: Schultz looked really strong as well. So we mentioned in
Speaker 4: our last podcast the White Sox are one starting pitcher
Speaker 4: injury away from just absolute chaos and some real trouble.
Speaker 4: And with adding Lewis Castillo not only for this year
Speaker 4: but for future seasons, they've given themselves some depth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and looking at the free agents for next year,
Speaker 5: a lot of familiar names, like there's in terms of
Speaker 5: where the White Sox would be shopping. And if you
Speaker 5: think of this with them trading Domingas, what's it like
Speaker 5: a one year, fifteen million dollars deal when doing the
Speaker 5: math for subtracting diminga's a salary from what's owed to Castillo.
Speaker 5: If you're looking for a picture on that kind of contract,
Speaker 5: they're all roughly comparable. Like maybe like Shane Bieber would
Speaker 5: be somebody the White Sox could go after if they
Speaker 5: were interested in that. But you know, it's all we've
Speaker 5: seen the White Sox have to shop on this tier before.
Speaker 5: So yeah, they are investing a certain amount for some stability,
Speaker 5: some veteran presence, somebody that's you know, I think if
Speaker 5: it all works out well enough to where he's at
Speaker 5: least serviceable, somebody the White Sox don't have to necessarily
Speaker 5: baby or have to figure out like an opener for
Speaker 5: or have to you know, lift after five innings nighty pitches.
Speaker 5: They would like them to offer a bit more. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it's you would like it to be a little bit
Speaker 5: less of a project. I think to be somebody who
Speaker 5: stabilizes it. Like there is a possibility that he is
Speaker 5: that guy, that he crosses one thing off the list
Speaker 5: for next year and the White Sox can go about,
Speaker 5: you know, marshaling the resources for greater positions of need
Speaker 5: or at least one bigger upside swing. But yeah, just
Speaker 5: some question marks are there that he has to answer first.
Speaker 4: So we did get this question in the comments section
Speaker 4: about Sir Anthony Domingus and him being involved in this deal,
Speaker 4: and that comes from I belong to Halo. I'm a
Speaker 4: little surprised that the White Sox traded away Dimingus. I
Speaker 4: thought relief pitching was also a need for them trading
Speaker 4: away relief that's been in the major leagues already. In
Speaker 4: Dimingus James, as you've been pointing out recently, has been
Speaker 4: throwing better for the White Sox out of the bullpen. James,
Speaker 4: are you surprised that the White Sox traded Syrante Dimingus away.
Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't like think like they necessarily were
Speaker 6: going to purge him at any moment, the sort of thing.
Speaker 6: But in terms of like reacting to this, like it
Speaker 6: makes sense. For one, it's like such a big part
Speaker 6: of the salary being a bit like they're taking on
Speaker 6: salary which is still new and novel for the White Sox,
Speaker 6: but it's not just adding twenty two million dollars to
Speaker 6: the payroll like whole cloth. So them doing this like
Speaker 6: makes sense in terms of that that Sir Anthony had
Speaker 6: been trending up rather than it's just like a purely
Speaker 6: dump like is you always kind of figure it out,
Speaker 6: like well how are they kind of if they're seeing
Speaker 6: like the Mariners put starters on the market and thinking
Speaker 6: like would the socks be a mix of it? The
Speaker 6: way like to try to figure out, like, well how
Speaker 6: is it? How would they line up? Is like how
Speaker 6: do they give something that technically helps them in the now,
Speaker 6: like how to to win now? Teams kind of trade
Speaker 6: with each other like this. In terms of major league pieces,
Speaker 6: it would be someone who kind of had fallen out
Speaker 6: of the mix in some way like this, who's you know,
Speaker 6: still looks viable, still looks like, you know, still definitely
Speaker 6: has the stuff of a high leverage guy on a contender,
Speaker 6: but clearly is going to have a difficult path to
Speaker 6: returning to what the White Sox originally tended him forth,
Speaker 6: like the guy who stabilizes the bullpen, not just a
Speaker 6: member of the mix per se. And like as much
Speaker 6: as he looked good on Saturday and you know has
Speaker 6: put together good results out of his last ten games,
Speaker 6: we just watched this Yankee series where they basically went
Speaker 6: to anyone but him, and extreme circumstances like Chris Murphy
Speaker 6: worked five appearances in seven days before Sir Anthony walked
Speaker 6: out of that bullpen. They got through the game on
Speaker 6: Wednesday with Grant Taylor getting seven outs for the first
Speaker 6: time all season. You had Jordan Hicks, I think that
Speaker 6: was three out of four when he came out. There
Speaker 6: was at least back to back days or want to
Speaker 6: be back to back days with Brian Hudson, like they
Speaker 6: were not turning to him very willingly, like he had
Speaker 6: not he was only starting to maybe work his way back.
Speaker 6: And I think you could see him, you know, pitch
Speaker 6: on Saturday and be like that, Sir Anthony mingez. Yes,
Speaker 6: we know that command comes and goes, but like that
Speaker 6: looks like the same stuff, same healthy guy. He can
Speaker 6: help our mariatis bullpen, but he's obviously not coming on
Speaker 6: to be the closer there. He's someone who's kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, offsetting salary. And I think it's a different context,
Speaker 6: so it's not shocking in terms of like if they
Speaker 6: trained Grant Taylor for Luis Castello, I'd be like still
Speaker 6: wrapping my head around it. So even though I didn't, like,
Speaker 6: you know, have some hint on the way he was
Speaker 6: walking out of the park today, this is what's going down.
Speaker 6: I think it makes much. It's much easier to wrap
Speaker 6: your head around than almost anyone else on the roster
Speaker 6: as far as, like, you know, other than like the
Speaker 6: idea that they could replace Ben and Tendy if they
Speaker 6: dump someone's salary like that, like someone who is like
Speaker 6: paid above like they're contributing, they're a part of the team,
Speaker 6: but they're probably paid above what like their the centrality
Speaker 6: of their role is right now, And I think Domingas
Speaker 6: fits that Bill.
Speaker 4: Jim getting a chance to watch Charlotte is either Hagen
Speaker 4: Smith or Tanner McDougall. Are they ready to go to
Speaker 4: join the White Sox bullpen to replace Sarandy Domingos.
Speaker 5: Well, they both pitched today. McDougall pitched after Jones left
Speaker 5: the game, so he's not going to be coming immediately
Speaker 5: if you're asking along those lines. But yeah, Smith, I
Speaker 5: think is close. Like he's looked really good this series.
Speaker 5: He had the rough outing his first one back from
Speaker 5: the IL, but since he's been nails throwing strikes, cutter
Speaker 5: looks really good. If they were to call him up
Speaker 5: first of those two, I wouldn't be surprised. McDougall, his
Speaker 5: stuff looks good as well. It just the control is
Speaker 5: a little looser, especially at the slider. When the slider
Speaker 5: is close, it gets some ugly swings. But there are
Speaker 5: a lot of or there have been some non competitive ones,
Speaker 5: some quick walks that he's able to pitch around like
Speaker 5: he's talented enough to do it. But if you're looking
Speaker 5: for somebody to have more polish, it looks like Smith
Speaker 5: is leading in that a little bit. Both are going
Speaker 5: through the paces though in terms of different assignments. Like
Speaker 5: Smith just came in in the middle of an inning
Speaker 5: for the first time. Phase one batter got him out.
Speaker 5: He was done for the day, which made me think like, oh,
Speaker 5: maybe Smith's coming up if they just limited to one
Speaker 5: inning after this trade's going there, one batter after this
Speaker 5: trade's going down. But I think it's more just trying
Speaker 5: to pitch on back to back days, pitch the of
Speaker 5: an inning, have fresh innings, work some high leverage, like
Speaker 5: there's a I think there's a checklist we saw with
Speaker 5: Grant Taylor last year where they wanted him to do
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of things that relievers have to do
Speaker 5: to see how he responded afterwards, and I think it
Speaker 5: was like nine appearances or something like that he checked
Speaker 5: off all the boxes. He was in Chicago. He hasn't
Speaker 5: been back, so I think they're kind of doing the
Speaker 5: same thing right now with Smith and McDougall. But I
Speaker 5: think of those two, Smith looks a lot closer to
Speaker 5: having his major league pitch mix all o her control.
Speaker 4: So Castillo last pitched on Tuesday. It is his spot
Speaker 4: in the rotation on Sunday, James. They're not disrupting Anthony K.
Speaker 4: It's still Anthony K tomorrow at twelve forty for I
Speaker 4: have to imagine with the travel and everything, Castilla would
Speaker 4: not be able to pitch. But there could be a
Speaker 4: real chance that we see Luis Castillo make us first
Speaker 4: start with the White Sox in Boston against the Red Sox.
Speaker 6: I would imagine it has not been clarified. I haven't
Speaker 6: been able to clarify like who's getting bumped or shifted
Speaker 6: out of the rotation.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's a bit soon. I understand that.
Speaker 2: They're still working through it.
Speaker 6: And like we're still trying to figure out what like
Speaker 6: when Castillo is like king to talk to media and
Speaker 6: all that. But yeah, you would think that you're trying
Speaker 6: to throw him into the fire right away.
Speaker 2: That's a tough test. I mean, boss is not like
Speaker 2: killing the ball.
Speaker 6: They're more just like you know, pitching out of their minds.
Speaker 6: It's more just like it's the road is tough environments
Speaker 6: and other playoffs. It's a hot team, and you know,
Speaker 6: you wonder like especially if he's doing you to a
Speaker 6: new org and you're kind of like, maybe you know,
Speaker 6: any org when they acquire any arm has some tweak
Speaker 6: in mind. Does it take a day or two or
Speaker 6: not day or two start or two week or two
Speaker 6: maybe a month to start seeing the best version of
Speaker 6: him versus obviously I work in the news business for
Speaker 6: a bit. Now he's going to be judged pretty sharply
Speaker 6: based off the first impression, I would assume, so could
Speaker 6: get in interesting in that aspect, you'd have to think, like, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is what he's here for.
Speaker 2: Some provide innings. The bullpen has been.
Speaker 6: Taxed, you know, even even like good starts from Eric
Speaker 6: Fetti and Noah Schultz this weekend in Tampa both saw
Speaker 6: them get pulled at five innings without like really much
Speaker 6: consideration of going past that. Like Schultz pitch con wives
Speaker 6: can kind of kept going. Fetti like had just crossed
Speaker 6: the first hit or the third time through the order,
Speaker 6: which they basically just not let him do, and like
Speaker 6: they've been winning. They've been really like I think they
Speaker 6: win the last five Fetti starts, like they have a
Speaker 6: plan that they execute with him in that they're they've
Speaker 6: been really good at. It's just it's a it's a
Speaker 6: resource laden plan and either you can't kind of both
Speaker 6: have that, and Schultz like having outings where he goes
Speaker 6: threes in the third and it's like super sustainable, and
Speaker 6: so I think they're trying to address that. But obviously
Speaker 6: if Louis Castillo comes in and he's ineffective, it's hard
Speaker 6: to get through six innings.
Speaker 2: Being ineffective.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's an interesting needle they're going to be
Speaker 6: threading or trying to thread.
Speaker 4: All right, So the white Socks have Luis Castillo. That's
Speaker 4: one item off the shopping list, Jim, I guess the
Speaker 4: next position that we should be looking at is cat
Speaker 4: Sure is that right, James? Or could the whites? Are
Speaker 4: the white Socks still part of the starting bitching market
Speaker 4: trying to add another starter before the deadline.
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised.
Speaker 4: I mean I would be surprised to you after this move.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I think, like scouts have said, like
Speaker 6: rental prices could be reasonable. I just think, like if
Speaker 6: you're really trying from what like everyone's talking about, like
Speaker 6: what an extreme sellers market's going to be, how difficult
Speaker 6: it's been, how few sellers there are, and like the
Speaker 6: fact that like two of the sellers are in the
Speaker 6: al central, Like you're not going to get the Louis
Speaker 6: Castillo equivalent from like the Tigers or Royals necessarily, I
Speaker 6: mean certainly not the Royals, who seem reticent to trade.
Speaker 2: Lugo and waka at all.
Speaker 6: It's seem like it's asking a lot for them to
Speaker 6: get two starters out of this, this situation that said
Speaker 6: they obviously didn't like fence, like amazing essential assets from this.
Speaker 6: I think if you're viewing it as like they're not
Speaker 6: trying to trade their top tid prospects, I think they've
Speaker 6: accomplished that. It's just that we're seeing that in terms
Speaker 6: of like a little bit of the risks they're they're
Speaker 6: taking on. But this, this really fits the bill of
Speaker 6: what they said they're looking for. You would think that,
Speaker 6: like anything more of this would be smaller in scale,
Speaker 6: even if you know there is another like depth or
Speaker 6: multi inning option out the ad.
Speaker 4: Jim, are you planning to be watching Charlotte and Nashville
Speaker 4: tomorrow for possible more hug watch?
Speaker 5: Sure, it is a night game, Like Nashville doesn't have
Speaker 5: getaway days. They play all their games at nights. I
Speaker 5: think to maximize attendance. I wonder if that irks visiting
Speaker 5: teams when they have to leave get on the bus
Speaker 5: at you know, nine thirty ten o'clock on a Sunday
Speaker 5: night to head home. But yeah, i'd wonder if you know,
Speaker 5: anything would happen before. But yeah, I will be watching.
Speaker 5: I will make sure i'm when I'm not shooting photos
Speaker 5: that I'm on the side where I can look into
Speaker 5: the Charlotte dugout to see what's happening, because this time
Speaker 5: I had to kind of scramble over the other side
Speaker 5: to get a look in terms of who's leaving, who's hugging,
Speaker 5: et cetera.
Speaker 2: But it is fun.
Speaker 5: I will say, you know, gotten some comments about Boston
Speaker 5: Smith and the chat about like his numbers, and I
Speaker 5: will miss him in the system just because he is.
Speaker 5: It's just fascinating in terms of the story, in terms
Speaker 5: of the production, kind of out of nowhere. And the
Speaker 5: thing that jumps out to me is, yeah, I talked
Speaker 5: to him a couple of times. Very pleasant guy to
Speaker 5: talk to you and gives good answers in terms of,
Speaker 5: you know, how he approaches it his game, et cetera.
Speaker 5: But when I saw his power numbers and he has
Speaker 5: twenty two homers and seven doubles this year and he's
Speaker 5: a catcher, I thought, like, you know, he's got to
Speaker 5: be slow. He's got to be a plotter who uh
Speaker 5: just swings some fences. And he's actually kind of fast,
Speaker 5: at least for a catcher, Like he's got decent speed.
Speaker 5: And it turns out that his swing, and he talked
Speaker 5: about is just like perfectly angled basically to generate these
Speaker 5: balls that float over the right field fence. And he's
Speaker 5: not really somebody who has these like line drives that
Speaker 5: split the gap or anything like that. He says, when
Speaker 5: you know, he hits doubles, it's more mishits like off
Speaker 5: the end of the bats kind of hooks them down
Speaker 5: the right field line into the corner. And that's why
Speaker 5: he has three triples to seven doubles, because that's the
Speaker 5: way that extra base contact goes. So it's a really
Speaker 5: fasting profile, especially at the catching, which you know, I
Speaker 5: talked to some people about, you know, around White Sox
Speaker 5: affiliates that he's with, and they felt like it's possible.
Speaker 5: You know, he's just raw because he barely played at
Speaker 5: the right States. He's athletic enough to play other positions
Speaker 5: when there were other catchers who could only catch, and
Speaker 5: so he's asked to play a lot, including shortstop at
Speaker 5: one time. So they said, yeah, he's got you know,
Speaker 5: he's got some potential. He made strides in terms of
Speaker 5: his receiving numbers over the course of his time with
Speaker 5: the White Sox, but he's also not playing all that
Speaker 5: much behind the plates, and he wasn't sharing time with
Speaker 5: catching prospects. That made me think like, well, if he
Speaker 5: was really a catching prospect, they'd be catching more than
Speaker 5: half the time. So it made me wonder like, is
Speaker 5: you know, do they want other guys behind the plate
Speaker 5: because his game calling kind of affects pitching prospects and
Speaker 5: they want to make sure that they kind of split
Speaker 5: everybody starts with more experienced catchers versus somebody who's coming along.
Speaker 5: You know, the game calling was a work in progress,
Speaker 5: so you know, when it comes to like judging his damage,
Speaker 5: it's a very specific, peculiar kind of damage that I
Speaker 5: wanted to continue seeing just to see how it played
Speaker 5: out because you don't see this profile very often. And
Speaker 5: then with the catching, like well is he a catcher?
Speaker 5: Cause they're kind of saying one thing, but they're kind
Speaker 5: of playing him in another way. And I think quotes
Speaker 5: today kind of tilted more towards like he's somebody who
Speaker 5: can catch, which is nice, but maybe not somebody we
Speaker 5: want to dedicate a pitching staff to. It made me
Speaker 5: think like, well, he's not really if he were more
Speaker 5: of a catcher of a future or a catcher of
Speaker 5: a future a catcher in a mix. I don't know
Speaker 5: if he'd be thrown in for this kind of deal.
Speaker 6: He made him sound like power hitting like instead of
Speaker 6: like he made him sound like Cooper Ingle. But I
Speaker 6: just I thought if I hijacked the scrum he was
Speaker 6: in to make a cross organization comp at the other
Speaker 6: beat writers would never forgive me.
Speaker 2: But like in terms of like.
Speaker 6: Ingles like hit tool for oriented and like Smith's you know,
Speaker 6: extreme power oriented, so like but this kind of like,
Speaker 6: oh he could catch, but you know he's probably in
Speaker 6: terms of like if he cracks a roster, he's the
Speaker 6: majority of his at bats are coming to the left fielder.
Speaker 6: If he's really hitting, like it's not because he's like
Speaker 6: taking your full time catcher rapsis he bashes his way
Speaker 6: in his line up, your lineup, he's a regular left
Speaker 6: field rather than like he's your everyday catcher necessarily at least.
Speaker 2: For a while.
Speaker 6: Like, I don't know if there's many examples of like
Speaker 6: this type of like I'm thinking of Kyle Schwarber as
Speaker 6: like someone like, oh he's a catching prospect, but he
Speaker 6: clearly just hit his way up here are there great
Speaker 6: examples of guys like that who have then slowly on
Speaker 6: the major league level played catcher enough that they became
Speaker 6: a full time catcher. I think I could think of someone,
Speaker 6: but recent examples aren't easily coming to mind.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see how it works out from Seattle's perspective,
Speaker 4: of course, we're we'll hear more as far as how
Speaker 4: Luis Castillo fits into the starting rotation. Again, this is
Speaker 4: our live reaction. We really appreciate everybody watching our first
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Speaker 4: this live stream, we did get this question from Arilio,
Speaker 4: and Arelio was asking do you think the White Sox
Speaker 4: would trade another bullpen arm or two with Hagensmith, Tanner,
Speaker 4: McDougal and Drew Thorp possibly being up soon. James, do
Speaker 4: you think the White Sox could leverage even more of
Speaker 4: their current relievers in upcoming deals before Monday's deadline?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I like someone else who kind of quite occupies the
Speaker 6: space that like Domingas does. You can make an argument
Speaker 6: for Hicks, but you are trying to win, and your
Speaker 6: bullpens not thin, but not deep beyond what you've already
Speaker 6: done to it. I think that maybe probably being a
Speaker 6: step too far in terms of taking away from your
Speaker 6: immediate depth in a big way. Like maybe if someone
Speaker 6: is like really enraptured by like Trevor Richards in a way,
Speaker 6: but I think he's already probably over performing what your
Speaker 6: what value you've extended to him as is, and you know,
Speaker 6: something that he's been talked about a lot is like
Speaker 6: how available is so I think in terms of like
Speaker 6: innings coverage, maybe he's not like the top three guys
Speaker 6: you think of a like let's handle high leverage situation,
Speaker 6: but I think he'd be kneecapping you know, Will Lennable
Speaker 6: a bit more than that, and even initially appears not
Speaker 6: you've already taken away, Sir Anthony. I think you've already
Speaker 6: kind of made it, like Smith and McDougal really need
Speaker 6: to become pieces here or you know, somebody else. You know,
Speaker 6: I'll never get off the Zach Franklin trade train all
Speaker 6: the way. But like I think you're already having picked away.
Speaker 6: Like this is what I'm saying, is like you already
Speaker 6: need someone up from Triple A to kind of come
Speaker 6: up and you know, be reliable in some way. Maybe
Speaker 6: it's not Bobby Jenks and the Closer as you win
Speaker 6: in the World Series, but like someone else who can
Speaker 6: figure into this mix in some way. I think you
Speaker 6: already need that now to happen more than you did
Speaker 6: while I was enjoying my sandwich in my hotel room
Speaker 6: two hours ago.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 4: The joys of covering baseball, especially at the trade deadline. Well,
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Speaker 4: special edition Sox Machine Live episode. As the Chicago White
Speaker 4: Sox have made the trade with the Seattle Mariners to
Speaker 4: acquire right handed starting pitcher Luis Castillo,