WEBVTT - BREAKING: White Sox trade for Luis Castillo 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.480 Howard, my husband fell at a construction site. I knew 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.440 it wasn't safe. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.680 It ain't and law. We're one of the largest filers 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.440 of workers' compensation claims in the state. If you've been. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.760 Hurt on the job, in a car accident, or suffered 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:28.760 a medical mistake, call three one two six million from 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.520 your favorite source for Chicago White Sox talk, delivering news, interviews, 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:38.120 analysis and more. This is the Socks Machine Podcast with 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.440 your hosts Jim Margolis, James Began, and Josh Nelson. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.960 Hello, folks, welcome to a special edition YouTube live for 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:52.000 Socks Machine on the Foul Territory Network. I am Josh Nelson, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.920 as we have breaking news this Saturday night. The Chicago 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.760 White Sox, first reported by Jeff Bassett at ESPN, later 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.120 can firmed by Sox Machines Beat reporter James Vegan have 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.480 acquired right handed starting pitcher Luis Castillo in a trade 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.080 with the Seattle Mariners. The White Sox are sending relievers 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:15.840 Sir Anthony Domingus, outfielder Nolan Jones, and catcher Boston Smith 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.399 in return for the trade and joining me on this 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:25.360 special edition YouTube live, which we haven't done in a while. Jents, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.720 it's Sox Machines beat reporter James Vegan and managing editor 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:35.120 Jim Margolis, and we got breaking news. Jim, and you 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.800 have a very interesting perspective because with you being in Nashville, 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.520 you were watching Charlotte and Nashville reporting on that game 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.600 for US, and you got a chance to experience hug Watch, 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:50.640 but from a minor league perspective. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.120 Yeah, it's a beautiful thing when you see it unfold 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.160 in front of you. But it was weird because on 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:58.800 with these six game series, I have to remember what 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:04.360 game was which Eric Has's debut. He left the game 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.760 in the eighth inning after grounding out, and there was 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.800 an awkward pause where Jonathan Cannon had nobody to warm 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.480 up to as he came out to the mound, Chad Pinder, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.120 the managers and the dugout trying to figure out who's 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.119 supposed to come in. He calls in Corey Lee from 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.640 the bullpen to catch the inning, and so I text 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.799 James like, Eric Hash just left the game, not sure 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.080 if this is anything, and it turns out that he 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.560 had deaderation. I talked to Has the next day. He 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.919 said that he was ground out the third then came back, 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.639 dug out, had a bar for a few times. Must 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.520 have been something he ate and he was back in 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:39.200 the lineup the next day. So watching tonight and seeing 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.880 in the middle of the inning Chad Pinder come jogging 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.480 to the umpire to inform him about a change, and 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.679 I'm looking and I'm seeing like, well, Ryan Glaney's in 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.120 the box, he's not moving. I looked to rikoon a 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.600 sheet at first base. He's got his arm around on 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.440 Hell Rosario, first base coach, and also the Nashville first 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.840 baseman I think is Brock Wilkin. He's just like standing 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.160 at first base with his arm around both shoulders, and 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.480 so I'm looking at him, thinking, oh, is riku Delta? 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.079 Is he on the move? Is he coming up? As 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.480 Pinder is going with his lineup card talking to the umpire, 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.240 And then Pinder returns to the third base box and 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.240 nobody moves. But then I see Corey Lee once again 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.400 come back to the on deck circle, and so I 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.600 see that was Nolan Jones's spot, and so I, uh 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.120 text James said, like, no one, Nolan Jones just had 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:32.200 a game stopping departure. I think maybe uh, and you know, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.280 didn't really see any of the activity yet. Uh, and 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.080 so he said, is this you know, should we Textianish 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:38.400 about it? 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:39.480 Like? Well? Then? 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.880 And then I saw Hiro irie Arte shake hands with 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.320 Pinder as he's leaving the clubhouse, like wait, is erie 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.400 Arte going? Is he's just done for the day, because 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.440 sometimes when pitchers are done for the day, they just 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.640 go to the clubhouse. But the handshake was where it's 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.440 I'm like on HI alert trying to figure out who's moving. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.280 And then I see Jones come h actual hug watch 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.160 hugging people in the dugout. And then he goes across 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.640 as he's going to the tunnel, which is on the 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.120 third base side, giving a couple hugs on the Nashville side, Like, oh, okay, 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.120 that's something big. And I would not expect Nolan Jones, 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.320 who has acquired for international money, to be the person 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.240 who would trip you tip me off to something happening, 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.240 because I didn't really factor him into any moves. But yeah, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.400 sure enough. You know, James starts checking into it and 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:25.520 then passing breaks it and that's how it all played 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:25.960 out tonight. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.360 And James, you just recently wrote the recap, which if 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.000 you are just finding out now, White Sox fans, you 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.880 can read as far as that trade recap on soxmachine 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.120 dot com, so James you wrote in the recap and 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.479 as far as your sources within the White Sox, the 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.240 White Sox with this trade for Luis Castillo or trying 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.120 to thread the needle, can you explain from a White 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.240 Sox ration now why it's Louis Castillo that they targeted 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:54.760 to add to their starting rotation? 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:03.640 All right, was in juifs muted because he's controllable. He's 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.720 signed through the end of next year. There's a vestine 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.400 option in his contract for twenty twenty eight. I think 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.400 if it pitches one hundred and eighty innings, so he's 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.640 still throwing hard and he has thirty three. But in 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.640 the idea like this is a multi year solution to 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.600 your rotation. Just last year he like threw one hundred 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:23.440 and eighty innings of like mid three era ball for me, 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.839 like he's like he's his fast balls are getting hit 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.080 a little bit, but like also like his sliders just 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.520 to find it like declining with rate. There's multiple things 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.520 that you're like, all right, what's their plan for kind 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.799 of arresting the guy who's in his career, worst season 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.440 right now, but clearly still talented in some way. For me, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.920 The biggest thing that jumps out I was like, this 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.039 guy once had like one of the most like devastating 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.040 changeups in the game and has gone to Seattle. It's 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.360 become slowly like this more and more like distant fourth 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:56.800 pitch in his arsenal, not saying necessarily like Castillo fits 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.560 the mold of like give a super or a kick 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.039 change or you know, an alternative change up in some 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.800 way necessarily, but like clearly to believe this guy's like 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.960 a multi year solution in your rotation, you have to think, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.920 like there's some method of restoring like his change up 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.920 to be like what it was at the very least, 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:18.600 like getting a slider like back to like being a 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.880 thirty percent like misrate pitch, whereas in the twenties. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.120 Now, yeah, that that has to happened too. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.200 But like, if you're really believing this and putting resources 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.240 to this, I would think you have a plan for 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.960 you know, fixing the change up in some way. That said, 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.040 like as far as threading the needle, demingez like I 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.080 certainly thought you looked bad. I like certainly is outing 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.080 on Saturday uh in Tampa was like the best he's done, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.880 you know, probably in this whole stretch. I've like his 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.400 statistically been better the last ten outings, but like that 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.360 was the first one really kind of authoritative through the 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.320 inning rather than like kind of getting through it or 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.200 showing you flashes or something. But obviously in falling out 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.440 of your leverage mix, he's part of like the salary 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.800 costs probably be more pallatable. This sucks like they are 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.520 taking on money with you know, Guesdo making twenty two 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.560 point seventy five million, you know whatever the pro rated 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.280 amount for the rest of this year and next is. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.000 But sir Anthony, you are getting like the ten millions 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:08.640 out next year off the books and you know whatever 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.440 the rest of the season is. So that's that's definitely 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:15.680 part of it. Boston Smith. It's it's almost feels like 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.400 there's a little bit of sense of like found money 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.480 and not necessarily that makes them like less valuable or 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:20.000 anything like that. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.720 But he was someone who. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.680 Wasn't necessarily like all right, when we were thinking about 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.200 what the White Sox core is or who the future 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.440 thing is, you know, certain positions are we were probably 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.400 just getting our heads around like where Boston Smith would 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:35.800 fit into that. It's more of the idea of like 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.520 this is a good bat, it's coming through the system, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.560 he could help in some ways, and even just it's 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:44.920 funny because Paul Donnis was doing a availability today pregame. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:46.680 You know, it's mostly about draft assignents, but I asked 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.800 about Boston Smith, like do you get to this point 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.400 where he's a little bit raw in terms of catching reps, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.400 but he's now already bashed his way to double A 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.000 and he's his older prospect, you know, you just he 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.240 kind of differentiated a lot from my my cop which 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:02.760 was called pro sec of like this guy who's a 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.400 catching prospect, you know, could stick behind the plate, but 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.560 his bat's probably going to axcel him across, you know, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.560 much faster. Is Smith kind of similar? And he said, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:11.880 like it's different in a lot of ways. But he 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.400 also said, like, ultimately, I think like Smith can be 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.960 a good left fielder and the fact that he's catching 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.480 is gonna be privit of his versatility, which is like 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.080 a different profile, and like this guy's for sure on 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.080 the plate and like he's you know, possibly gonna hit 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.320 thirty zo minor league home runs in his first pro season. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.800 If that's a full time catching prospect, like that's a 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.599 different than like clin of value. Add So if you 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.920 view this guy's like kind of an interesting, you know, 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.280 bat with some versatility but not necessarily your blank guy 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.480 in the future at some premium position. And then you 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.880 have Nolan Jones, who they acquired a you know, a 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.280 cash dealer in the year, who's you know, kind of 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.439 minor league depth, especially left handed. That's not something that 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.240 I have immediate need for that. But like we didn't 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.199 we didn't trade Caleb Bonhamer. We didn't trade like some 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.040 big feet piece of the future core, and we have 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:00.240 someone who is going to start for multiple years, proven 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.760 playoff starter, and with that, this is the whole thing 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.680 of like you got to get Louis Castillo to no 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.600 longer pitch like he's having the worst year of his career, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.839 just the small detail of that, and then it becomes 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:09.840 a pretty good value add. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.760 Yeah, we did get this comment from Benjamin. I'm really 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.720 hoping they see something to fix in Luis this year 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:21.280 because he's been dreadful. Signed a Luis Castillo fancy baseball owner. 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.160 Best of luck, Benjamin, I think from a White Sox perspective. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.319 I think we're all hoping, Jim, that the White Sox 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.920 can find something or maybe just joining this White Sox 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.559 club house, because this is something that we spoke about 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.920 in our previous episode that we just recorded yesterday when 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.760 I was pitching. You trade ideas, Jim, like, if you 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.760 bring in a Robbie Ray coming in from the San 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.560 Francisco Giants, does that give him a bump in performance? 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.000 If you went after and got someone like re Debt 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.720 Merse who's been pitching really well, and now Debt Merse 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.960 is not on an Angels team that's struggling, could that 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.679 give him a boost in production? Could Luis Castillo, proven 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:06.280 veteran starting pitcher that has started post season games, could 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.160 he find a second wind with the White Sox. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:17.520 Yeah, it's the non rental angle of this, Uh, you know, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.640 Ray being a rental Ray going you know, theoretically back 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.920 on the market after a boost. You know, That's that's 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.240 one thing for Castillo. I mean, there could be a 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.079 boost here because you know, with his struggles with Seattle 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.760 having a crowded rotation, he's you know, they've tried some 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:37.600 alternate arrangements with them, piggybacking, and uh, he hasn't been 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.880 happy with it, like he's uh it seems like he's 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.360 used to being a workhorse, uh, you know, as the 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:48.240 modern day workhorses go, and it seemed like, I guess 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:55.000 his underperformance he got just dissatisfaction and uh he needed 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.240 more runway or perhaps more room than the Mariners are 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.760 willing to give him. So that's a case where there 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.160 is a bounce back potential here. It's just the risk 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.920 of you know, talking about Robbie Ray and saying, well, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.800 you know, the road splits are kind of scary, and 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.200 if he comes to Chicago and it's not good, then 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.520 you're maybe missing out an upgrade. But then again, you're 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.880 paying a rental price and he's out at the end 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.880 of the year if he's a bad fit or it 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.800 just doesn't quite work in Chicago as opposed to Oracle Park, 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.559 and you can move on and at least for the season. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.600 For the remaining two months, you signaled to your clubhouse 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.480 and your fan base that you try to do something 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.400 with the resources you had. And so I think with Castillo, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.920 you know, if you're a rental and they paid more 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.880 of a rental prices I think this is high for 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.160 a rental, then you would say kind of the same 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.000 thing of just well, you know he's it's not so 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.320 long ago that he was a very valuable starter, and 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.120 it could be one tweak and it could be just 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.040 a change of scenery that helps. It's just that if 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.240 it doesn't work out, then you have a big contract 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.959 on the books for next year, and you better hope 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.200 that's Chris Katz or Jerry Reinsdorf, Brooks Boyer. They have 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.320 some revenue ideas in mind to be able to spend 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.439 past it. If it is like acquiring an Andrew benintendee 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.280 for the rotation in the way that like the White 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.319 Sox struggled to spend around the Andrew benin tende inefficiency. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.640 There is one place to be on Trede deadline day 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.680 watching Foul Territory of course. A J. Perdinski, Aeric Kratz 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.640 and Scott Brown will be live all afternoon speaking with insiders, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.720 reading tea leaves and reacting to unfolding deadline drama. Join 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.200 us on the FT YouTube channel at one pm ET 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.920 and stay locked in through the six pm deadline next Monday. 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.640 Foul Territory Network, It's baseball the way it should be covered. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.439 Here's a great revenue idea. Sign go to talk about 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.920 commy to a contract extension. Get that sweet sweet money 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.960 from Japanese sponsors, and that can maybe pay for Luis Gesto. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.439 I'm I'm joking, but I'm also not joking. I think 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.160 we would all love to see a Murkami contract extension. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.440 But let's take a look as far as in this 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:08.840 contract again for Castillo, and yeah, you do need him 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.160 to pick it up, Jim, because there could be the 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:15.880 risk of like a Gene Shields type of albatross contract 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.560 in which the best outcome that you can get if 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.960 he doesn't pick up his play is well, we're comfortable 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.560 having him pitch five innings every fifth day. We're confident 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.600 that he'll give us one hundred and fifty innings. Where 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.280 there's a lot of questions right now in the back 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.120 end of the rotation. But I think what you're really 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.920 hoping for with Castillo is that he does bounce back 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.800 and because of his postseason experienced, Jim, that you would 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.120 like him to maybe be part of the equation. If 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:49.720 the White Sox can outlast Cleveland and Minnesota, maybe Luis 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.000 Castillo could start a postseason game. I'm assuming that is 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.840 the line of thinking here for the White Sox and 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.760 acquired Castillo as far as like best outcome for this 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.280 is that he does bounce back and we're perfectly fine 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.760 sliding him behind Sean Burke and Davis Martin. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.959 When you mentioned postseason though, you know, looking through some 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.120 quick Castio research trying to figure out exactly what his 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.440 present state was, it seemed like some of the I mean, 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.280 like it wasn't bad necessarily. There was one bad start, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.400 like his last start was bad Game four of the Alcs, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.480 but like Alds was a little bit wobbly. He walked 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.480 four and four and two third scoreless innings, like he 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.960 wasn't quite He did pick up a win out of 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.520 the bullpen in Game five, the fourteenth inning, so like 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.960 he did do that, So that's useful. But just like 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.760 the last start, I think reading through it was kind 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:49.640 of the start of the worries about Castillo, and so yeah, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.520 you have it both ways, like he's had good starts 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.560 in the postseason. It is just one outing. It just 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.720 happened to you hit my ear funny in terms of 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.280 having just read abouts it was, Yeah, it all started 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.400 last October, and who knows if that was actually true, 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.400 but it's it's been or you know how much I 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.120 factored in, But it is a case where you know, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.240 you know, I'm looking at a Mariner's fat a fan 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.200 in the comments right now saying that you know, Cassillo 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.760 has been tough to watch, and just like if there 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.680 if a Mariners fan and trying to picture it from 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:24.400 a third party, how to Mariner's fan or media received 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.760 this trade. I'm thinking, well, if they've watched him pitch 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.640 poorly all year and he had to have the clunker, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.360 like they might be laughing at anybody in Chicago trying 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.760 to talk themselves into you know, veteran presence of stabilizing presence. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.520 So yeah, he is a little bit of a mystery here, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.200 just in terms of how sticky the struggles are and 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.160 whether he could rebound in time to provide value for 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.360 the rest of the season, for October potentially, and then 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.440 for next season since he is under contract. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.680 And in our previous episode, when I was pitching trade 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.880 ideas James, I was trying to come up with a 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.240 way that the White Sox could acquire reed debt mers. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:04.720 But I don't think that's going to be part of 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.960 the case now and involving that was my idea of 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.720 Billy Carlson and Hagen Smith. But it seems like the 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:15.080 White Sox frunt office. Let's just start from this perspective, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.120 they are trying to protect and not move any of 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.840 their top prospects, right, like any one of their top 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.680 five they're trying to hold on to. Is that fair 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:25.080 to say? 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.800 Sure, I guess that would fit the definition of what 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.560 they put out there of just like, oh, we're trying 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:33.720 to prioritize our future. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.240 We're trying to really keep the sustainable. We're trying to 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.400 not let the. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.520 Immediate needs of the team like over shadow like what 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:42.360 we're trying to build in. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:43.240 Terms of priority. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.800 I mean, there's an argument that like they can't trade 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.480 three other five top prospects because like that's not allowed 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.560 until after the World Series, and then the other one 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.760 is Caleb Bonhamer, and then you could say, like, uh, 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.280 our fifth is Brady Montgomery and he's already up like 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.720 so like that's yeah, it's pretty true, and just in 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.320 terms of like not Bonomer, but but certainly what they've 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:10.040 been signaling is trying to one either not sacrifice the 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.560 future for kind of today or short term things or 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:18.120 to like what they're basically you know, hoping this trade 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:18.560 pulls off. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:19.560 Is doing both. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.360 Where you're all right, this team is you know, good 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.240 right now. Un Thus you assume they're gonna be good 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.200 next year and you're adding a piece that kind of 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.000 contributes to that and maybe even the year after, and 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:33.080 not taking away from like what you had yet to 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.439 view or started to view as like this is you 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.000 know the way, I don't think Boston Smith has hit 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.880 extraordinarily well this year, like an incredible you know, increase 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.080 in value from the start of the season. You probably 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:45.920 haven't thought to like, well, this is who plays first 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.960 base if Mariacami leaves the free agency and maybe like 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.199 someone like Bonhamer or you know, does other offensive options, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.600 don't I don't know, maybe have taking a more realistic 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.000 place in that your future considerations. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.800 Smith is a chief just at this point now. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.080 We did get a question in the comments section, which 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.080 thank you to everyone if you're listening to the recording 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.359 of this. This was our first chance to go live 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.040 under the foul Territory Network. So I'm so grateful for 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.639 everybody to jump in and watch as far as the 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.480 live stream. Let me bring up as far as this 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.720 question here, and this question comes from Justin, and Justin 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.320 is asking what is the chance the White Sox swing 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.960 a move for a higher upside rental starter as well? 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.199 I like the potential upside playoff experience and ability to 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.199 eat innings. But who throws in a short series? So 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.920 that's two and one, James, Let's try to address question 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.399 number one. It's Jose Erkidi and Eric cos. We talked 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.680 about that very minor moves, but now with Luis Castillo, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.879 is this it for the White Sox or could they 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.320 possibly pull off another move? 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.960 I mean they still want a catcher. I think that's 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.919 still a pressing issue. Kyle Teal is still taking defensive drills 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.439 with his walking boot on, which he says is very 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.000 helpful because it stabilizes his ankle and keeps them from 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.400 pivoting in the way that you know you'd worry about 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.679 giving his sprain, but you know, reflects that he's not 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.040 necessarily close. And you know, Edgar Carroll's looked better of 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.400 recent Timo had a. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:18.040 Hit the other night. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:20.879 They have said that they want to get a catcher, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.560 and you know, even like Noah Schultz having a good 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.840 start and Eric Petty and no A Schultz having good 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.640 starts here in Tampa clearly didn't sway them away from 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:30.880 doing this. So I don't think they've been swayed out 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.399 of what they're trying to add to their catching depth. 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.399 You know, certainly kind of a more credible kind of 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.480 guy to throw out there on a regular basis stel 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.560 Teal comes back. Until then, they would still like to 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.920 add relief help some degree, Like even if they're making 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.480 this move, they're not calling up Hagan Smith and Taran 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.800 McDougal from what I've been told, So clearly don't view 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.080 that it's quite ready or a sure thing yet at 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.720 this point. So fair to say, maybe less of a 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.920 priority now that you've put these resources, Maybe more of 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.719 a priority now you've traded to Anthony de Mingez, guy 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.359 who may be falling out of your trust, but you know, 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.280 certainly someone who's threw hard and had postseason experience. These 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.159 are still elements. Starting Pitcher was far and away like 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.600 the most pressing need and something that you couldn't really 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.960 wrap your mind into saying like they had an acceptable 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.280 alternative that they canterrito a house the way you came 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.040 with the bullpen, probably less so with catcher. You know, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.720 even if Caro and Romo I've had, you know, decent starts. 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.199 This one series that I'm currently at. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.960 I appreciate the Seattle Mariner fans being in the chat 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.440