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Speaker 1: right now, practice confronts there. They've gone, they've they've worked

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Speaker 2: We're through the rain. There was a little scare there

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Speaker 1: The lightning things have gone off. But they must they

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Speaker 1: must have better ring. I think there's lightning detectors detected

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Speaker 1: like anywhere within like twenty miles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty amazing. But yeah, we still have a

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Speaker 2: good crowd here. I mean after Friday night lights. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of buzz and good practice so far, of course,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's safe to say we're kind of

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Speaker 2: getting into the dog days again. Now, yeah, no question,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's second week of practice here before they play

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Speaker 1: their first preseason game, which of course they'll do Friday

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Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty much to you at this point

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Speaker 2: or anticipated the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no pads today. The Steelers went and patch yesterday

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Speaker 2: But we've got team drills going on, and we got

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Speaker 2: pseudo tackling drills and things like that too. Yeah, with

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Speaker 2: your experience, do you think tomorrow is a heavy padded

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Speaker 2: banger practice. Yeah, because they're off Monday. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that makes that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to speed them up too much, but

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Speaker 1: you do want to get them prepared, Matt. In terms

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Speaker 1: of the game on Friday, yeah, Houston of course played

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game, at least three quarters of

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Speaker 2: Good point.

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Speaker 1: Thursday night, would you rather if you're doing this, would

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Speaker 2: I haven't get a much thought, but I would say

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Speaker 2: I mean. It's a good football team with good depth.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they have a pretty expansive draft class they

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Speaker 2: want to get involved. But more importantly, like you said,

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Speaker 2: they've already been practicing, They've already been on a field,

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Speaker 2: they played a game, So yeah, I think that makes

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Speaker 2: it a little more challenging. You don't want the softest

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Speaker 2: opponent you can find. I think you want the toughest

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Speaker 1: Well, in that regard, the NFL did the Steelers some

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Speaker 1: favors this year. If you look at their preseason opponents,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that doesn't mean you're gonna get Stroud Allen

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Speaker 2: Goff for four quarters. But those are all contenders and

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Speaker 2: three quality opponents, three quality opponents. And yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that's one hundred percent true. That is a difficult slate

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Speaker 2: and that gets you acclimated for the season a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little different to playing you know, like last

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Speaker 2: The Carolina is a bunch, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you get a few real sense

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Speaker 2: any game at this point would be welcome for this crew.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I do as well, And we saw

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Speaker 1: spirited night practice last night. Mike Tomplin lotting his two

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Speaker 1: But when they're doing backs on backers, yeah, and coming

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it,

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Speaker 2: One of the strengths of the team. It's definitely the

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Speaker 1: Better than ever. Yeah, they're both in their prime. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Stuff you don't see running backs do. And I probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know nause he's going to do that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people get caught up. I mean if

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Speaker 1: But he still ended up averaging six point three yards

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Speaker 2: Sure, you'll take that, You'll take that all day long.

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Speaker 1: And I get it. They don't want him to have

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Speaker 1: But last year he was at to eighty four, so

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Speaker 1: They don't lose anything when they go to their second back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that duo. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: I can't comment on his future here, and I bet

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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean he's not going to be relied on

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Speaker 1: His career high for rushing yards is twelve hundred over

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna still go under, just because the war in factor.

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Speaker 2: think they'll have more first downs, But that's a pretty

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Speaker 1: Well put it this way, So Christian McCaffrey led the

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Speaker 2: Which that seems that seems pretty far fetched to me.

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Speaker 1: I do think he's over. So he had ten thirty

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I'll definitely go over a thousand,

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Speaker 2: And those numbers aren't that far much further than a thousand,

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Speaker 2: so yes, and again, I mean he could miss six

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty nine. And frankly, this is all with me

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Speaker 2: played like sixty percent of their snaps, you know, and

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Speaker 1: It is I understand the position, you know, being what

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Speaker 2: just getting into a team session here. They just finished

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Speaker 2: up a little bit of uh special teams work all

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Speaker 2: That's a little blitzer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's five edge rushers that are

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Speaker 2: truly elite, and I used to think there was four,

440
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Speaker 2: and then Max stood by himself. Well, now he's number five.

441
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Speaker 2: No one wants to hear this, but I could make

442
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Speaker 2: an argument. I don't believe it to be true. I

443
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Speaker 2: can make an argument that he's better than TJ, better

444
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Speaker 2: than Garrett. I mean, he's an unbelievable football player and

445
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 2: the thing that separates him doesn't separate him. But he's

446
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Speaker 2: different than the other four great ones. He plays so

447
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Speaker 2: many more snaps. He plays like ninety eight percent of

448
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 2: the Raiders snaps. It's just an unbelievable motor and great player. Yeah,

449
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Speaker 2: I'm glad he got that respect.

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Speaker 1: Number nine nine is down four spots. That's Travis Kelce.

451
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Speaker 2: I don't see him in that light anymore. I mean,

452
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Speaker 2: I understand he's an all time great and we see

453
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Speaker 2: him in the news all the time because of all

454
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Speaker 2: the things he's doing, and good for him. I mean,

455
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 2: he's easy to root for. I just think there's more

456
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Speaker 2: than eight players on the planet that are better in

457
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Speaker 2: football than him. Yeah, he's awesome.

458
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Speaker 1: But you know, Number eight, this is up nineteen spots

459
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Speaker 1: from me year ago. It is TJ Watt.

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Speaker 2: Respect I mean, I have no problem with that at all.

461
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Speaker 2: I mean I think that's that aren't accurate.

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Speaker 1: Number seven, up seven spots is Trent Williams.

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Speaker 2: Yep. I can't fight that either. I mean, he's the

464
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Speaker 2: best offensive lineman in the league, remarkably reliable. I mean,

465
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Speaker 2: he's played through a lot of stuff. He had a

466
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Speaker 2: weird career or weird portion of his career with Washington

467
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Speaker 2: and just wanted to get out of that terrible organization.

468
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Speaker 2: And since he's been with the Niners, he's been unbelievable.

469
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Speaker 2: Easy Hall of Famer. Number six up four spots is

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Speaker 2: Chris Jones. Okay, I do think I don't know if

471
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Speaker 2: Jones is better than what or if Garrett. I do

472
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Speaker 2: think it helps Jones case that he kind of stands

473
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Speaker 2: alone as the best defensive tackle with Aaron Donald gone

474
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Speaker 2: as opposed to five ed rushers all fighting for their

475
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Speaker 2: top of their list, you know what I mean. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: and he's a Chief. He's a Chief.

477
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Speaker 1: He plays a lot of high profile games. I still

478
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Speaker 1: can't get over you know the fact that he takes

479
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: a lot of game, he takes a lot of plays off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does. And he would not be in the

481
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Speaker 2: top ten if he was a Panther. No, you know,

482
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Speaker 2: there's no way around that.

483
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Speaker 1: Number five up fifteen spots is Miles Garrett.

484
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Speaker 2: He's defensive Player of the Year. He's phenomenal. And if

485
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Speaker 2: you told me that was Parsons or Bosa, I'd be like,

486
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Speaker 2: I get it too.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like what they say here at the end,

488
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Speaker 1: Garrett still Garrett managed top ten finishes in sacks, quarterback hits,

489
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Speaker 1: quarterback pressures, tackles for a loss, and forced fumbles by

490
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Speaker 1: seasons end, but the full understanding of his impact wasn't

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Speaker 1: told in numbers, which is why he earns further recognition

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Speaker 1: after securing his third All Pro honor and first Defensive

493
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Speaker 1: Player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with that because his numbers

495
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Speaker 2: weren't that great.

496
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Speaker 1: His numbers weren't great. So now you're trying to justify right, right, Well,

497
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Speaker 1: it goes beyond the numbers.

498
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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it does with all these guys. Yeah,

499
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Speaker 2: I mean, Chris Jones demands an unbelievable amount of attention

500
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Speaker 2: in the middles. I mean, and how about that Rams defense?

501
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: This time last year, we're like, I don't know, I

502
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: can name any starters besides Aaron Donald. You don't think he.

503
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Speaker 1: Has a massive impact past all these guys have an

504
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Speaker 1: impact beyond the numbers, and not even close of course.

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Speaker 1: Number four down three spots, Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: I was taking a sip of cold coffee that turned

507
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Speaker 2: my stomach a little, and then this just turned my

508
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Speaker 2: stomach completely. I mean, he has to be one. Come on, guys, yeah,

509
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Speaker 2: come on.

510
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Speaker 1: Number three up thirty two spots, Christian McCaffrey.

511
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Speaker 2: He's tremendous at what he does. I don't think he's

512
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Speaker 2: as valuable as the others. But we had a really

513
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Speaker 2: good conversation with Rob King his last day here was

514
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Speaker 2: that two days ago. Everyone kind of runs together that

515
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 2: what do you do to defend him? Yeah, I mean

516
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: there's no answer. I mean, he's as good as slot

517
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: receivers or as in the league. I think that they

518
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: envisioned him taking over the debo role as he ages.

519
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: He can run between the tackles. He scores like a

520
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Speaker 2: touchdown every game. Yeah, I mean it's harder than I.

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Speaker 1: Number two up seventy spots, seventy Lamar Jackson.

522
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Speaker 2: Man, I can't believe he was seventy two last year.

523
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Speaker 1: Well he's coming off back to back injury.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I mean quarterbacks. Maybe he was quarterback

525
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Speaker 2: six or seven last year. He wouldn't be ahead of

526
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Speaker 2: my Homes. Yeah, I mean, frankly, he wouldn't be ahead

527
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Speaker 2: of what he wouldn't be ahead of Garrett. I mean,

528
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Speaker 2: he's awesome, and he's a Hall of Famer in my

529
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Speaker 2: opinion too, and he just went back to back or

530
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Speaker 2: he's two time MVP, but I don't think he's as

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Speaker 2: good as these elite guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd be like nine for me in number one

533
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Speaker 1: up six spots? Ty would he kill?

534
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Speaker 2: I can't argue that other than Mahomes, to be honest,

535
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Speaker 2: I mean, I firmly believe that if we could get

536
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Speaker 2: thirty two defensive coordinators around and said quarterbacks aside, who

537
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: do you hate playing against? That he'd get the most votes.

538
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: Nobody mooves like him on the football field.

539
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: But I also think if you'd said that, asked that

540
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: same question about a lot of those defensive players, yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: you would get similar answers like, oh, I can't stand

542
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Speaker 1: playing against Miles Garrett, we can't stand playing against t J.

543
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Speaker 1: Wat Chris Jones just tears.

544
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Speaker 2: Us up, I think. But I think there'd be six

545
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Speaker 2: guys getting votes for that one spread out, where Tyreek

546
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Speaker 2: I think would lap the field over McCaffrey Jefferson other way.

547
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Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on whether you play him all

548
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Speaker 1: the time or not. Like some of the NFC teams

549
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Speaker 1: may go, yeah, we don't see him all lot often,

550
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Speaker 1: but we see Justin Jefferson.

551
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Speaker 2: Awesome, Yeah, you lam getting fifteen turmes.

552
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Speaker 1: We see Christian McCaffrey every year and we can't do

553
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Speaker 1: anything about him.

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. I just say Tyreek gives people nightmares,

555
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: not if you don't play him. That's also a weird

556
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: thing about that vote is players that don't play. Mahomes

557
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: is different because he's on TV all the time or whatever.

558
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: But let's say Derek Brown is a really, really good

559
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Speaker 2: defensive tackle on the worst team in the league. He's

560
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Speaker 2: their best player. And if you're the Bucks or the

561
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Speaker 2: Falcons or someone on the schedule you had a hard week,

562
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Speaker 2: you know, game planning around Derek Brown. He's not Aaron Donald,

563
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: but he's a really good.

564
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Speaker 1: Player and he's but he's never on Monday Night Football.

565
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: He's never on you know, But I mean hypothetical. If

566
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: the Steelers players didn't play against Carolina last year, they

567
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Speaker 1: probably don't even pick him in the top one hundred.

568
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like players, no players,

569
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: and they're friends with each other and all that too,

570
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: But if you didn't game playing for the guy, that's

571
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: a lot different. If he was never on your schedule,

572
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: you really don't look at him the same.

573
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Speaker 1: So we went through that entire top one list over

574
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Speaker 1: the last week or so here and Jeremy Bergman of

575
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Speaker 1: an NFL dot com has some things your five things

576
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: the voters got wrong.

577
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Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. Mahomes has to be number one. I'm sorry.

578
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: First thing here is that wide receivers take over. If

579
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Speaker 1: you look at I mean the wide receivers the whole

580
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Speaker 1: way through this thing. I'm looking to see you here.

581
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: If he has exactly how many.

582
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Speaker 2: That I'm guessing there's seventeen.

583
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: It's somewhere in that range. Yeah, because you're I mean, I.

584
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Speaker 2: Know, like the Davante Smith's of the world are in it.

585
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Were really good, you know, I mean, Terry McLaurin made

586
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Speaker 1: it at ninety seven. Like, there's a lot of receivers

587
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Speaker 1: on this list.

588
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: Hard to keep them off though, I mean part of

589
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: its human nature. I mean, should I put this guard

590
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Speaker 2: at ninety nine or Terry McLaurin, Well to.

591
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Speaker 1: That point, one of the laters. Tailbacks and tight ends

592
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Speaker 1: take a tumble. Okay, okay, there were twenty wide receivers

593
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Speaker 1: in twenty in the top one hundred.

594
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Speaker 2: That's it's pretty high.

595
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeahah, there were just five running backs and I believe.

596
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: Tight end or three tight end Andrews. I would bet

597
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: it was Kelsey Kittle, Laporta Hawkinson, okay, four yeah, but

598
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: who else would you say has to be in there?

599
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: And same with running back. I mean, I think the

600
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver is definitely a richer position and there's more

601
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: of them on the field and it's a little more

602
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: high profile. But that doesn't balance out now the point.

603
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: And for example, cornerback, there were five only five cornerbacks,

604
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: come on, and one of them was Tarik Wooling.

605
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, who probably is not He's not in anyone's top five.

606
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: Another one was was Deron Bland.

607
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Bad choice, right, I don't think that the top ten

608
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: corners in the world right now, are particularly blow your

609
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: doors off it? I get it. But Jalen Johnson didn't

610
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: make the list. Trent McDuffie didn't make the list. I mean,

611
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: come on, I don't know if sneed made the list.

612
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: You know a couple of those guys. No, I hear you,

613
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: And back to the tight end running back conversation. I no,

614
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: you would think tight ends plus running should equal wide receivers,

615
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: not behalf of wide receivers.

616
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, no centers made the list. None.

617
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: None. You're the best center on the planet and you

618
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: can't get in the top one hundred. That's rough.

619
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but twenty wide receivers made it.

620
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean again, you can't.

621
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: Tell me the twentieth best wide receiver on the planet

622
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: is equal to the number one, Like Frank Ragnall say.

623
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Speaker 2: If we can just concede that mclaurin's number twenty, okay,

624
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Speaker 2: I mean that sounds reasonable, Yeah, that sounds reasonable. He's

625
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: really good player. He's not elite. Is he better what

626
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 2: he does than ragnow, Humphrey, even Linderbaum.

627
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: Or I think Linderbomb's overrated.

628
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: I know you love it.

629
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't done anything yet.

630
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: I mean it's early in his career, but I really

631
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 2: like him.

632
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I like the player, I like

633
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: the trajectory. But I think in the case with he

634
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: and both he increed Humphrey. I think the cart got

635
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: put before the horse a little bit because of pro.

636
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: Football focus as well as the teams are on in

637
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: the successful offense.

638
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: Like neither one of them is as good as Frank

639
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: rag Now.

640
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree rag Now would be my one

641
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: as well, And neither one of them was anywhere close

642
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: to Kelsey. Now Kelsey retired, but.

643
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: That in that light and they're not there yet, right.

644
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I think Kelsey is a conversation to be the best

645
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: one's ever played. I mean, I think he's in the

646
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: top few, and he definitely would have known that he's unbelievable,

647
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: but he definitely would have made the top one hundred

648
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: because of his reputation too, and you know which is deserved.

649
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: He didn't get that by accident. Now, centers and guards,

650
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: I think that body of work has to play in

651
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: a little more. I mean because flashing the pan young guys.

652
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: To your point about Linderbaum, you know, like if he's

653
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Speaker 2: doing this, if he keeps getting better, and it's five

654
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Speaker 2: years from now, okay, or if Creed Humphrey has ten

655
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Speaker 2: years in the league and nine Pro Bowls, Like, that's

656
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: hard to deny, you know what I mean. But I

657
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: want I need reliability and durability and you know, length

658
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: of career out of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I think we talked about this with the with the

660
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Speaker 1: Chiefs the other day. Their offensive line gets the benefit

661
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Speaker 1: of the doubt because a they're on TV so much,

662
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Speaker 1: they get Mahomes.

663
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mahomes right, I mean he.

664
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Speaker 1: Has that covers up a lot of the Like Creed Humphrey,

665
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: snaps were an issue last.

666
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Speaker 2: Year, they were and because of Mahomes, because of Reid,

667
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: they run against lighter boxes, and because in one of

668
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: the underrated aspects of having Mahomes, he doesn't take sacks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's so good at knowing when to get

670
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Speaker 2: the football out and how many times since the drive

671
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Speaker 2: has been created and we've said sacks are as much

672
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Speaker 2: a quarterback stat as they are offensive line. Yeah, I

673
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: mean Peyton Manning didn't take sacks even when nobody blocking

674
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Speaker 2: for him. I mean, he just they know when to

675
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Speaker 2: get rid of the ball. Whether you're as elusive as

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Speaker 2: Mahomes or not. And I get that the Chiefs are

677
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Speaker 2: a different animal than the rest of the league right now,

678
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: and they're in the midst of a dynasty, so to speak.

679
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Speaker 2: But they had three in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fourth was the guy they drafted.

681
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Speaker 2: Kill oh right, right, right, Yeah, I mean he made

682
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Speaker 2: his bones in Casey obviously. Yeah. I mean they're a

683
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Speaker 2: great team, but they really have three of the best

684
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Speaker 2: players on the planet. I mean, in the top one percent.

685
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Speaker 2: Probably not, No, I'm with you. I mean I think

686
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: they have that one though.

687
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they have the best player, but that

688
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: does not necessarily mean I mean if Travis Kelcey right now,

689
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Speaker 1: he took today's Travis Kelsey and dropped him on the

690
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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, and he catches sixty balls this season because

691
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation nobody touched. Nobody's talking about him as well.

692
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Speaker 1: He's you know, he's he's top ten player.

693
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Speaker 2: No, no, And I'd be shocked if he's even in

694
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Speaker 2: consideration for the top ten next year. I mean he's great.

695
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's one of the best Titans ever lived,

696
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: and he's still playing really, really well. But his situation

697
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: is very.

698
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: Fruitful and he's dating Taylor Swift.

699
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Speaker 2: But it doesn't hurt. And you know, I do give

700
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Speaker 2: him credit that the relationship that he's had with Mahomes

701
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: on the field, it's pretty remarkable. You know that they

702
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: know each other in a great way, so they both

703
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: benefit from one another. I mean, I'd love to see

704
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Speaker 2: Mahomes without Kelsey too, but we're.

705
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Speaker 1: Going to see that at some point here in the

706
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Speaker 1: near future.

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Speaker 2: I would think I'd be shocked if Kelsey plays next year,

708
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't you.

709
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Speaker 1: I don't know about next year, but I think by

710
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Speaker 1: the time we get to twenty twenty six, I think

711
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: he's done.

712
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Big Bro just retired, and I mean

713
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: he's got an other interests off of the field. But

714
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm not rooting against him by any means. I think

715
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: he's a blast to watch and he's one of the

716
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: most fun and best tight ends I've ever seen. But

717
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: I can't believe touring Europe with the most famous human

718
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: being on the planet on the Ears tour is good

719
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: for your career.

720
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: That's a nice nice justin feel's in a nice Catcher

721
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: by Van Jefferson as well.

722
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: Jefferson's good.

723
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he's I think people are underselling him. I

724
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: think he's uh two right now.

725
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly.

726
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an asset for this

727
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Speaker 1: team this year.

728
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: He has dropped it right over his shoulder on the sideline.

729
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: That was pretty yeah for someone up and got it.

730
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: The coverage wasn't.

731
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: Bad, No, No, just great throw and catch. Yeah.

732
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think he's been one of the I don't

733
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: want to say standouts, but he's been a pleasant surprise. Yeah,

734
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington's another one.

735
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: That all these guys are getting better or better than

736
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Speaker 2: I thought. Yeah, I think that's a good way to

737
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: put that.

738
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Speaker 1: The thing that I've noticed about Darnell Washington is last

739
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: year We've kind of talked about this, but last year

740
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington had a sleeve on that I think it

741
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: was his left leg all season long, all season long,

742
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: and was obviously favoring that leg over the course of

743
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: the season. You look at him out there now, nothing

744
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: on her knees. No, he's moving much more fluidly, and

745
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: his blocking has been outstanding.

746
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: Outstanding. I mean, whether it's one on one and backsorts backers,

747
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: or in team protection has really stood out to me.

748
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: Like I always think of him as a big come

749
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: off the ball, move edge defenders type run defender, but

750
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: he kind of looks like a tackle in protection. Yeah,

751
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean most end don't have that kind of kick

752
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: slide and body control and hand usage like size. Yeah,

753
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: of course, of course. And I don't know that. I

754
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: mean last year's tight end, the rookie class that he

755
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: came out in the draft class was a remarkable Kincaid Laporta,

756
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera tight end class. It was as

757
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: highly drafted as any in history. So I don't know

758
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: that he would have went massively higher, but the knee

759
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: was something that had him go behind a couple of

760
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: those guys, you know, and if he's over that, that

761
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: would be tremendous.

762
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: Bats snapped her by Zach Frazier. Yeah, over the quarterback's head, Derevin. Uh,

763
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: it's a process for these young guys.

764
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Speaker 2: It is. It is. And I know some listeners are antsy,

765
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: why aren't the first two picks guaranteed starters yet? Because

766
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: that right, and especially at center position and he's barking

767
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: out calls right now and pointing pointing out the mike,

768
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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. You have to be on top

769
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: of that stuff, you know, and the fact that he

770
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: isn't isn't the disappointment. It's just a lot to ask

771
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: for a rookie center. Yeah, sure, a big thing some

772
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: guys do. Like there's a lot of talk that the

773
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: Raiders are doing this like draft tracks and powers Johnson.

774
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: Play him a guards who doesn't have a think for

775
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: a year and then kick him inside and then he

776
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: can do what comes naturally. Yeah. Yeah, that's not uncommon

777
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: with highly drafted center prospects. So they're asking a lot

778
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Speaker 2: from Zach.

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Speaker 1: They certainly are. Let's get to another break. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lelly. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

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00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: We are live from Saint Vincent College here where the

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00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: Steelers are taking part in a practice session here on

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Speaker 1: a Saturday.

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00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: Sun's out now, Yeah, it's beautiful, suns guns out, let's go, and.

786
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: The steep team is just working through the rain in

787
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: the area here. It looks like we're gonna do a

788
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: little field goal drills here. Matt and I will be

789
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: back with more right after.

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Speaker 3: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 3: and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolly here with the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and we are live from Steelers training camp here at

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Speaker 1: Saint Vincent College on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.

796
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: And if you want to check out the shows more

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Speaker 1: often here on the Steelers Nation Radio. We do this

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Speaker 1: year round, Matt and I do as as well as

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Speaker 1: a number of other shows that can find us and

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Speaker 2: I assume we'll be five days a week from here

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Speaker 2: on out too. May we were three before camp and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know more about that podcasting thing how where

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Speaker 1: to find all that stuff than.

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Speaker 2: I do then in the podcasting world. Yeah, there's tons

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Speaker 2: of different apps out there, but you can search anywhere

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Speaker 2: and you'll find us. But you can find us Steeler

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Speaker 2: dot com, you can feel us on the Steeler app,

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00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: you can find us all you know, Spotify and all

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00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you might want to check that out. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can subscribe to the show and it just downloads

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Speaker 2: Phone right absolutely. Yeah, spread the word.

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00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: Listen to it whenever you want, hop in your car

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Speaker 1: and I know we've talked to a lot of people

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Speaker 1: out here at training Camp and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: do that.

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00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we never asked for these things. But give us

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Speaker 2: a like, give us a subscribe. All that good stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: helps the cause.

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00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can sponsor the show. You could even sponsor

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00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: your sponsor. We're looking for a show sponsor. I don't

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00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: know if we actively are looking for a show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not our department either. We are the talent.

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Speaker 2: But you know, yeah we can be brought to you,

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00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: brought to you by ex Chevrolet or Ford or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Right of course we.

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Speaker 1: Get a lot of a lot of listeners.

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Speaker 2: We do.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's been the great thing about training and

832
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: it's always the great thing about training Camp, Matt is uh,

833
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: you know we're out in the bout and and you know,

834
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: talking to different people where they're from and things of that,

835
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: Like there was a guy from Florida last night.

836
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I gotta listen.

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00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: To you guys every day, and you can you keep

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Speaker 1: me saying? I'm like yeah. And I think he asked

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Speaker 1: the daughter, does he really keep just really keep him saying?

840
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Speaker 2: And she's like no, no, But imagine if he didn't

841
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: and be off his rocker. I'm probably listening right now now.

842
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: I get a kick out of it. I mean, even

843
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: just the short walk over to lunch, nine out of

844
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: ten times someone will yell out love the podcast, matter

845
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: there's a drive or you know whatever. So that's good stuff. Yeah,

846
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: hope your partner he could do better.

847
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we mentioned Tyreek Hill now the number one player,

848
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: as would it by the other players in the league. Now, yeall,

849
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: he gets a restructured ninety million dollar deal. Basically, what

850
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: they did was take a bunch of his money and

851
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: make it fully guaranteed.

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00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't see the details of how they did it.

853
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: I just saw the the blurb over my phone that

854
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: he got restructured. So all these receivers are wanting more,

855
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: getting more, and he's as good as any of them.

856
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: What was unusual is I happened to look at this

857
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: because I thought maybe this guy's gonna be on the move.

858
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: I mean, they have cap issues. The next years on

859
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: his old deal weren't crazy. I think one was like

860
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: mid twenties, and then I think it went up to

861
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: thirty and then his final year on his deal. Before this,

862
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: he was a sixty two million dollar Capit you know,

863
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to see that no, right, So I

864
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: mean that had to be worked on, no matter what

865
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean. But two years from now he was scheduled

866
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Speaker 2: to make in the sixties. So that's I'm sure that's

867
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Speaker 2: the crux of it. I'm probably will also be like

868
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: thirty four years old, right right, Yeah, I mean, so

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Speaker 2: you're really maxim out your credit card, so I assume

870
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Speaker 2: they're giving him a chunk now, eliminating that insane cap

871
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: hit down the road in some way, shape or form too. Yeah.

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00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean they fully guaranteed that one hundred and six

873
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: million dollars.

874
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: Is that? What? How they did it?

875
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: The money that he was supposed to make here so

876
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: he could retire tomorrow.

877
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: And he's getting it. Yeah, ok, yeah, yeah, interesting now,

878
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: But they're in it to win it. They's paid Waddle,

879
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 2: it's paid too. I thought this free agency period would

880
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: be very slow for Miami, but they still about gained

881
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: as much as they lost with you, except of Christian Wilkins.

882
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: But they're a highly aggressive organization. Yeah, you know, we'll

883
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: see if that works out for them. I know, you know,

884
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk of of uh, you know,

885
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: they're soft they're you know, they're they're one of those

886
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: teams they certainly dwindle as the season goes on.

887
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things in this training

888
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: camp that is being focused on, like this team does

889
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: not ever want to be called soft.

890
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: No, No, I think that's one true and I think

891
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: that they're pretty far from it, to be honest with you.

892
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure people could point to, how could

893
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: you lose the Patriots and Cardinals last year? It's a

894
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: bad couple of weeks.

895
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks, and you weren't that good at quarterback.

896
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: You weren't good enough to overcome teams like that. In fact,

897
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: you weren't necessarily better than them at.

898
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: Quarterback rightticularly in the game against the Cardinals, like the

899
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: Cardinals had the better quarterback. They did, they did, And

900
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: unfortunately the last couple of years, Mike Tomlin has had

901
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: to be the coach with the inferior quarterback on a

902
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: lot of game days. But back to the toughness, he's

903
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: also the coach that keeps his team in it when

904
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter rules around, when mental toughness, physical toughness, stamina,

905
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: ability to you know, navigate tough situations, they're at their best. Yeah.

906
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: We got Russell Wilson out there now working in the

907
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: seven on seven. He's been doing more and more of

908
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: this over the last couple of days, And wouldn't surprise

909
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: me if when they come back from the from the

910
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: their off day on Monday, that he's out there on

911
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: a full time basis.

912
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a good expectation, you know. I

913
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: mean if tomorrow he's doing this sort of thing, Monday

914
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: he's off off, and then Tuesday he's the number one quarterback. Yeah,

915
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: I think that's reasonable to expect that. Yeah, and then

916
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: probably doesn't play at all against Hues. No, I wouldn't

917
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: think so.

918
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: And you know, again, I think what you've benefited from

919
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: over the last week is getting Justin Fields and Kyle

920
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: Allen more work a lot than they normally would have gotten.

921
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just think of all the the reps

922
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: Fields would have gotten from the sideline as opposed on

923
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: the field this past week and a half, two or whatever,

924
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: and it's gonna really benefit Yeah.

925
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely. But to me, I mean, and somebody come out

926
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: with you I don't want to hear you guys talk

927
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: about the quarterback situation at all because I don't. I

928
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: don't trust what you're saying on the quarterback zone, just telling.

929
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: You what what I see out here and one of

930
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: the general vibe and how the team responds to all

931
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: of them. And I think Wilson's just way further along

932
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: in his development as an NFL quarterback.

933
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: I think you also have to look at how they

934
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: acquired Russell Wilson. Cam Hayward was calling him. J Watt

935
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: was calling him, Mika Fitzpatrick was calling him, trying to

936
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: trying to talk this guy into coming to Pittsburgh.

937
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, at his price tag, he had to

938
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: be it's pretty highly sought after. Yeah, if he doesn't

939
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: cost anything.

940
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: He didn't cost anything. You tell me, like Tampa Bay

941
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: could have looked at that and going, well we could.

942
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: We could do this or give Baker thirty million. Yeah,

943
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: I'll take my chance with him, or the Giants, you know, like, yeah,

944
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: we got a lot and invested in Jones, but we

945
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: got to get this guy right, Yeah, yeah, we can

946
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: fit that. I mean, the Raiders, I mean, there's a

947
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: lot of teams that would make an awful lot of

948
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: sense for him.

949
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: And you know, he chose to come here in part

950
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: because of you know, those guys calling him and talking

951
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: to him. But also because he saw this as.

952
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: An opportunity with the with the team that is that

953
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: can in a good spot. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I think

954
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: it's a good situation for him, much different than the

955
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: Denver situation. Either one of his years there stable organization.

956
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: Probably isn't asked to throw the ball thirty five times

957
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: a game, and I would hope at this stage he

958
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: probably realizes that's for the best for him and the team.

959
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: So I do think it's a really interesting and potentially

960
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: fruitful situation.

961
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do believe that when he comes back,

962
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: he will be reinserted as QP one.

963
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: I do too, And I can't stress this enough. I

964
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: mean I did a short podcast on it yesterday. Over

965
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: the past two seasons, thirty four games, the Steelers threw

966
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: twenty five touchdown passes. Goodbye, it was twelve and thirteen.

967
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: I mean twenty five. He threw twenty six in fifteen

968
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Speaker 2: games last year. Yeah, with sitting out to I mean

969
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: like that goes a long way. Touch On passes are important.

970
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: They matter, they matter, they matter, And yeah, if he

971
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Speaker 1: can do even replicate most of that, yeah, let's say

972
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: he throws twenty four touchdown passes this year.

973
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Speaker 2: Right in seventeen games. Yeah. Great. He throws the ball

974
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: in the end zone aggressively. He's good in the reds,

975
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Speaker 2: good at it. Yes, it's one of the strengths and that's.

976
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: One of the things that this team wants to be

977
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: better at their working red zone right now as we speak.

978
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, he's not afraid to throw the ball into

979
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Speaker 1: tight windows.

980
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: And can he pickett? Am I picking on who's gone?

981
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: But the number show that he was really over the

982
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: last two years, maybe the least accurate red zone passer

983
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: in the league.

984
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so, I mean if that that's gonna change,

985
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna change, and they're gonna throw more touchdown passes,

986
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: no question, won't be twelve or thirteen. Absolutely, that's gonna

987
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: do it.

988
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Speaker 2: For hour number one here on the Drive on Steelers

989
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Speaker 2: Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh, Matt and now I

990
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: will be back with our number two here live from

991
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Speaker 2: Steelers training camp practice at Saint Vincent College.

992
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Speaker 1: Right after this