1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, party people, 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: it's your boy, Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Thursday, February fourth. 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: We've got a first on the podcast. Folks. We've never 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: done this. What have you been doing? The podcast six 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: months now? Started in August. I don't know, maybe months seven. 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: I've lost track hundred twenty some odd episodes. We've never 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: had a double dip two guests in the same podcast. 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: But it's Super Bowl week, right, and when you get 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: a great guest like Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network, you've 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: got to take him whenever you can get him. Jeremiah 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: is my guy, super nice gentleman. UM. I think you're 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: gonna love the interview with him. If you'd like the 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: NFL Draft, the Super Bowl, Deshaun Watson, basically anything about 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: the NFL, you love it. And then the second interview 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: is if a guy who I actually just found out 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: lives kind of near me out in l A. We're 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: gonna have to link up. UM. He was undrafted into 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's doing the Super Bowl week where he 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: gets paid to um, you know, pitch a product. And 20 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: he's a nice guy and he's very informed. You know 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: him from American Ninja Warrior. I butcher the hell out 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: of his last name, Akbar kij b Mila. I I 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: even butchered it just now. So his brother is KGB, 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: the former UM defensive end for the Green Bay Packers. 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: A Bar obviously you know him for American Ninja Warrior. 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: He was with the Raiders. UM, he had a he 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: had a nice little NFL career, and he's a really 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: intelligent guy who had some insight into Jason, Pierre Paul 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: and that Tampa Bay defense. I think you'll like that 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: as well. So let's dive right in, shall we First 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: up Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network. Jason likes to think 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. I know 33 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: what sports dance want, but for everything he doesn't, he 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: knows a guy who does. Let's just say I know 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight fire a guy I've 37 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: known for a while. One of my favorite stories was 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: way back, maybe a decade ago. I was running the 39 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: website The Big Lead, and I saw this guy named 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks on Twitter just crushing it with all 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: this great stuff, and I'm like, man, I need to 42 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: hire this guy because I guess he had been with 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens and then he left and I reached 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: out to him and he's like, oh, that's interesting. I'll 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: get back to you. And then like five minutes later, 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: he was hired by the NFL network. And I'm like, 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Daniel Jeremiah, how are you? Man? I'm 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: doing great, but I know it kind of ages us 49 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: right when you start thinking about how long ago. I 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: think that was legitimately like ten years ago. Yeah, I 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: had an eye for talent. Can I just say that? 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Uh well, I'm not not not necessarily in this instance. 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: I trust you on some other ones, but this one, 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean that's TBD. You also know me does color 55 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: games for the Chargers. Will ask about Justin Herbert in 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: about thirty seconds. He does some Amazon games with Bucky Brooks, 57 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: who's been here, Joey Taylor also, who's been here? Um, 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: And you know Daniel Jeremiah. I consider him the most 59 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: blue flame thinker when it comes to the NFL Draft, 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: Very clear eyed and honest, and uh I want to 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: chop it up with him. We'll do draft Super Bowl 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: but I want to start with the Chargers. Daniel Justin 63 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: Herbert exceeded all expectations. I don't think anybody saw him 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: playing this. Well, I'm curious what you think the coaching 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: change does for him. Are they gonna flip the playbook 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: with the Chargers with Staley coming in? Um, what's your 67 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: guests as to Justin Herbert's second year. Well, I think 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: there'll be a little bit of adjustment here. Uh, Lombardi's 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: coming in as the O C who's spent you know, 70 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: almost his entire career with the Saints, so that that 71 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: offense that you know, Sean Payton's run with Drew Brees forever, 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: which is very quarterback dependent in terms of putting a 73 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: lot on the quarterback mentally, Um, it's terms that checks 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and and giving him a lot 75 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: of control. So I think Herbert is I mean, he 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: was a four point of student, he's he's brilliant like 77 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: that was one of the big pluses of him coming 78 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: into the process. So I think eventually he's gonna get 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: to the point where he can handle all that it's 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: going to be placed on him. There might be a 81 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: little bit of an adjustment though, because I think a 82 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: lot of that was taken out of his hands as 83 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: a rookie, you know, obviously, to try and lessen the 84 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: load on him being thrust right into the starting lineup. 85 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: So I would anticipate you'll see a little bit of 86 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: a growth period there, but then this thing could really 87 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: take off because now you've got all the physical ability, 88 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: but now you have an offensive coordinator in a system 89 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna tap into how smart he is to be 90 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: able to get you in the right place. And you know, 91 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: calling you know, chargers games, being the color guy, seeing 92 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: everybody during the week for interviews, and then being the 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: guy who goes on TV and talks about everything. Daniel. 94 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm just curious how that how those merged, because you know, 95 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: it's one thing to say your opinion on TV, right 96 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: you can say whatever you want, you're plugged in, but 97 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: it's another then to go have to face everybody and 98 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: interview them and talk to them. How how how has 99 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: that been any rocky roads there? No? You know, you 100 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: always will find with players that they're they're very aware 101 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: of where you had them rated, uh, coming into the process. 102 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Now some of them, you know, like justin of all 103 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: people would have a good gripe to say, Man, I 104 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: should have been the first pick in the draft. He's 105 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: such a good dude and such a cool, down earth guy, 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: like he would never do that. But there's other guys 107 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: you'll see along the way. Um, well, they'll come in 108 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: and they'll they'll bust your chops a little bit about 109 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 1: where you had him. I mean Sammy Watkins. I remember 110 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: when he came through the studio. Of the year he 111 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: was coming out. I think I had Watkins is like 112 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: the maybe the third or fourth player in that draft, 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: which in in hindsight was too high, right, I had 114 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: overrated him. But they come into the studio and they like, 115 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: they're all upset. I'm like, Sammy, what's going on. I 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: can't believe you don't you have met number three? Like 117 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: he's insulted that that you would have him at number three. 118 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: It's like that with a lot of guys. But it's fun, man. 119 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: It's uh. The cool thing about the Chargers. And this 120 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: year was weird because the pandemic. You know, we didn't 121 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: get a chance to travel with the team this year 122 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: calling the road games. We called the road games from 123 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: a studio in Burbank. But you were you know, we're 124 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: at the stadium for all the home games, but traveling 125 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: with a team, UM, from a personnel side, you get 126 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: to see the value of the things behind the scenes. 127 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: Like I'll give you a great example, Derwin James his 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: his rookie year. You get on the plane for the 129 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: first preseason game, so it's the first road trip, and 130 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: when you're on at one of these team charters that 131 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: nobody's really sitting down the whole flight, right, Guys are 132 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: moving around and hanging out. They're playing cards or doing 133 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: whatever they're doing. UM, And Derwin was in his in 134 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: his seat with I'm talking about like pound Cy, like Keenan. Now, 135 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: all these veteran you know, Pro Bowl players were all 136 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: around him like he was kind of like the pied piper. 137 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: This is his first this is first time he's been 138 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: on the team plane. I mean, this is somebody who 139 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: was so magnetic and so just had that that persona 140 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: and the personality that people just gravitated towards him. And 141 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, unfortunately hasn't been able to 142 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: stay hell fae. But when he's on the field, this 143 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: dude's a superstar. And I'm sure you would see that 144 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: with other players and other sports where it's just you 145 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: got it, he had it. Uh you mentioned the pandemic. 146 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm just curious you were down at the Senior Bowl 147 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: in Mobile. There will be no um combine. The pro 148 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: days sound like they're gonna be kind of crappy. UM, 149 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how is this gonna be a difficult evaluation? Um, 150 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, as as an analyst who goes on TV 151 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: and talks about the players, since you won't have as 152 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: much up close and personal time with him. Yeah, it's 153 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really hard. Um, it's gonna be hard 154 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: for teams. But at least on the team side of things, 155 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: they have access to every ounce of information they can 156 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: get from all their scouts from from the my side 157 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: of things, selfishly speaking, not being able to be at 158 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: the combine to see these guys all lined up next 159 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: to each other, to get those official measurements, to be 160 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: able to tap into all your sources and resources right 161 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: there to get as much information as you can. Uh. 162 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: Not not to mention the fact we didn't have an 163 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: East West game, which is normally a lot of those 164 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, fourth, fifth, six round type players that you 165 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: get a chance to be familiar with uh during that 166 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: period of time, the pro days. You know, I think 167 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna cover a bunch of them from the studio, 168 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll cover them, we'll have cameras and we'll 169 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: be able to talk about him. But you know, quarterbacks, 170 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: not getting a chance to see a quarterback throw live 171 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: and in person, man, that's a huge It's a huge 172 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: part of the evaluation because it might look like one 173 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: thing on tape at that position, but when you can 174 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: stand next to him and watch him rip the ball, 175 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: you get a whole different appreciation for that stuff. Yeah, listen, 176 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: we all love to talk about hits we've had in 177 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: the draft, right and misses and up close and personal. 178 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: I will say I do mock drafts for Fox Sports, 179 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: and the first one right after the draft, I looked 180 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks and I saw the kid transfer Jamie 181 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: Newman from Wake Forest to Georgia, and I said, you know, 182 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: this guy looked really good. You could go. I mean, 183 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: he looked great at Wake Forest and if Georgia wants 184 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: of Daniel guys gotta be awesome. He's gonna be slam dunk. 185 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: And I had him in the first round. And you 186 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: know this is how much I respect Daniel Jeremiah. He 187 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: looks at him, was like, I don't think so, or 188 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was that you said. But 189 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Jamie Newman did not even get the starting job at 190 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: Georgia and you know now he's is he going to 191 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: get drafted at all? I don't how tough is it 192 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: to evaluate these quarterbacks. Nobody had mac Jones Daniel as 193 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: a first round pick. Now some people do, some people don't. 194 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: But just talk to me about the quarterbacks, dude. I 195 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: mean a great example would be Joe Burrow, right, I 196 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: mean we can go back to last three drafts when 197 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: you look at the number. We're not talking about guys 198 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: like sneaking into the first round. I'm talking about the 199 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: last three number one overall picks. Before that season started, 200 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: Would you have predicted that Baker Kyler or Joe Burrow 201 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: would be the first overall pick? No, there's no way 202 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't know that. So, um, you know 203 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: it's it's extremely difficult to evaluate. And um, you know, 204 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: I still feel like as much information as you get 205 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: and you feel like you know where these guys end 206 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: up and who they're with, who they're coached, by who 207 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: they're surrounded by and have such an impact on what 208 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: they've become. So it's it's it's never been more difficult 209 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: than it is now to out that position. Now, there 210 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: are some quarterbacks Daniel out here in Orange County right now. 211 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: Well I'm in l A. But Orange County is close by. UM. 212 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been to the workout where 213 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: they've all been, but Zack Wilson's there. Justin Fields was 214 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: there recently. UM, and the buzz around Zack Wilson is 215 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: pretty incredible. I know a lot of people want to say, hey, 216 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: through six touchdowns Fields against Clemson, he's got to be 217 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: the second quarterback. But you know, the guys I talked to, 218 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson's a better prospect. Where are you on these two? Yeah, 219 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: I have Zack Wilson over Justin. I actually have Justin 220 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: four and I still like Justin, but I have Trey Lance, 221 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: you know, in front of him. They're they're really kind 222 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: of competing to me for that third and fourth spot. 223 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: We'll see how it all shakes out as I get 224 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: to dig even deeper. But Zack Wilson is the most 225 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: natural thrower in the whole draft. I mean, just if 226 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: you just want to watch guys throw in terms of 227 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: off platform arm angles all that stuff. He can do everything. 228 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: So to me, the year that he had this year, 229 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: if you just want to stack him up, I mean, 230 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: he's he's right up there, So I would have him 231 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: over fields at this point time. Now they all have, 232 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, the little bit of the warning signs there 233 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: with Wilson, the guys had shoulder surgery on his throwing arm. Um, 234 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: he had another hand injury. Don't really care about that. 235 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: But anytime you've had your throwing shoulder worked on and 236 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: you're not a real big broad shoulder guy again, another 237 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: reason why it just sucks not you know, I'd be 238 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: at that protet. I'd get a chance to see him, 239 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: stand next to him, watch him throw, see what that 240 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: frame and build looks like. Um, but if you look 241 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: at him on paper like dimension wise, same as Aaron Rodgers. 242 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: So I think you can get past that as long 243 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: as your doctors are okay with that shoulder that it's 244 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: that checks out. He can spin it, dude. And people 245 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: push back on me and go oh b y u. 246 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: They didn't play any you know, ranked teams or highly 247 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: ranked teams outside of Coastal Carolina. I don't think they 248 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: had a Power five win. Or like, dude, when you're 249 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: sitting on the far hash at the fifty yard line 250 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: and you're putting the ball on the pylon in the 251 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: left corner of the end zone and it never gets 252 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: more than ten feet off the ground, I don't care 253 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: who you're playing with or playing against. That translates now. Listen. 254 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: You know I'm a big Jets guy. You have worked 255 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: in you know, front offices, as you know you probably 256 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: are gonna get a job one day soon as a GM. 257 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: I am curious where you are on the whole Jets 258 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: situation with Sam Donald versus potentially Zach Wilson. I'm not 259 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: even gonna bring in Watson to the equation. Yeah, I 260 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: think Jets fans are torn between this. We really like 261 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: Sam Donald and who doesn't like Sam Donald. The problem 262 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: is three years he's about to have his third coach, 263 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: third system, and then you gotta pay him the extension 264 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: here whatever million. I just I have a problem doing that. 265 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: As much as I like Donald coming out and like 266 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: his potential, I think he could thrive in San fran 267 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know, if you're talk to me, 268 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: what you think Joe Douglas, who you know, uh is 269 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: sifting through in the Jets front office. Well, I'm writing 270 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: this down as we're talking here, um, so I'm I'm 271 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: gonna pull up the receiver group here. So let's say, 272 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: all right, I'll say there's a chance. Let's say they 273 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: could get a late one for Sam Right, Maybe they can't, 274 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: maybe the second round pick. I think second round pick 275 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: would probably be the safe bet. But I think there's 276 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: a chance. I think Chef ter even came out and 277 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: said they could. You know, he doesn't say that without 278 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: any kind of information. He came out and said they 279 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: might be able to get a late one. So let's 280 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: just say it's a late one, early two. I'm gonna 281 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: write down ca Darius Tony as a receiver there, okay 282 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: from you, he's a stud, he's a chiefs guy. Is 283 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: that he looks like the perfect Chief's gadget guy, like 284 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: a Nicole Hardman type, right, can do everything, just a playmaker. 285 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: Jets need playmakers. So here's here's basically what it comes 286 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: down to. You have Sam Donald and let's say that 287 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase right. They need a player, playmaker, so you'd 288 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: have you'd have a Jets team with Sam Donald and 289 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. But like you mentioned, you also have the 290 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: financial commitment that's on the horizon right around the corner 291 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: to Sam Donald, so a big money commitment there. Or 292 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: you have Zack Wilson, Darius Tony and a lot of 293 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: extra cash you're gonna have because now you've got this 294 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: rookie deal that you're gonna be in great spot for 295 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: the next four to five years, a controllable contract. So 296 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: it's really not just Sam Darland and Jamaar Chase versus 297 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson and Candarius Tony. It's Zach Wilson, Candarius Tony 298 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: and all that cash which gives you opportunity to go 299 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: out in the free agent market, address the offensive line, 300 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: try and find a pass thresher, try and help the 301 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: corner position. So when I look at that information, to 302 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: me and I think I actually have Zack Wilson as 303 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: a more talented player who's a Both these guys fit 304 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: this system, but I think Zach Wilson's more talented than Sam. 305 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: So the durability thing is the only question if your 306 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: doctors are cool with Zach Wilson. To me, laying that 307 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: all out. It makes more sense to start fresh, start new, 308 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: and draft Zack Wilson, Um, would you mind you got 309 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: any good Joe Douglas stories from your time in Baltimore 310 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: with him? Uh, Joe, we used to hoop all the time, 311 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, he wasn't very physical, as you can imagine, 312 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: a lot of work down there on the block. But 313 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: he's now, he's a great dude. Man. We we have 314 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: remained friends for gosh, it's almost twenty years now. So, um, 315 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: it's very dry, sid the humor very funny. We're on 316 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: some text text chains with a lot of like eighties wrestling, 317 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: uh stuff on there. It's very very very random, very random, 318 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: but you know, he he he kind of. I don't 319 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: know if anybody really knows this, you should dig this up. 320 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: The uh, the movie The Replacements, right, that was with 321 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: Shane Falco. That was Keanu Reeves right, right, and that 322 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: was shot in Baltimore. Joe's in that. Joe's in the 323 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: movie really, so he is one. There's a scene in 324 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: the movie You Gotta Find It where they like flip 325 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: over a car like there's a rivalry or something, and 326 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: these guys kind of flip over a car that's Joe. 327 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: He's in there and he has to laugh, no lines, 328 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: no lines, but he does have to chuckle and laugh, 329 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: so you can you can crate his acting ability. I 330 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: don't know how the New York media hasn't got this 331 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: several takes. I'm sure for the chuck and laugh. By 332 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: the way, I need to at this point mentioned um. 333 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah's funniest comment to me I think ever was 334 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm that nerdy dude who goes to the gym and 335 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: we'll set up my phone and get some video because 336 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: I see all these people doing it on Instagram and stuff. 337 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I posted it because I made like 338 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: fifteen free throws in a row or whatever. And Daniel 339 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: Jeremiah jumps in off the top rope with dude, you're 340 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: one of those guys or something along those lines, and 341 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, I know you. You You officially retired from hoops 342 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: right after that injury. Uh well, yeah, I I tore 343 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: my achilles and uh and since then, I have a 344 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: hoop in the backyard. So I'm a jumper guy. I 345 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: don't video it like some others, but I do. I 346 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: get a lot of jumpers. I get a lot of 347 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: jumpers in but yeah, that the three on three days 348 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: or those are retired. We've started to play some rogue 349 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: four on four games. He out here in l A. 350 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: And I hate to say a guy did rupture as 351 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: Achilles playing it was devastating and my wife the best 352 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: part about it is I hadn't I hadn't played like competitively, 353 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: like in in probably five years, like since I played 354 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: in a church league, like going way back, and but 355 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: but I had been running and I'm shooting all that stuff. 356 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: So these guys invited me to go play, and my 357 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: wife literally as I'm walking out the door, goes, don't 358 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: do anything stupid and terrier Achilles the last last thing 359 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: she said. So we played. We played like you know, 360 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: three or four games and uh and we were done. 361 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: And then one guy was like, let's just this is 362 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: so it's it's that, and so I think my body 363 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: had just kind of relaxed and shut down, like okay, 364 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: we're good, made it through, feel great, and then it 365 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, here we go again, and I went. 366 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: I went for a back door cut and it was 367 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: just like everybody said, I thought somebody kicked me in 368 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: the leg. Turned around. Now this guy was in shape, 369 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: like you know, you're a former quarterback, you know, but 370 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: did you play hoops in high school at all or not? Yeah? Yeah, 371 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: So I I started in in high school for four 372 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: years and that was my favorite. That was my favorite sport. 373 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: I was born in Indiana, Like you can't be born 374 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: in Indiana and not be a hoops guy. So you know, 375 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I grew up around with my brother played and my 376 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: brother played in college, uh small school and then uh 377 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: my aunt was the head basketball coach at IU for 378 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, in the eighties, so she was like the 379 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: big big ten coach of the year. My dad played 380 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: in a small college. So hoops was my was my 381 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: first love. But then once six to kind of that 382 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: that's where I topped out. I was like, okay, it's 383 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: it's time to flick us a little bit more. Yeah, 384 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: So I played. I played. I played. I played on 385 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: a slamm and Jam team, which is like, you know, 386 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: an a AU team like when when we were growing up. 387 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: So my slamm and Jam team was Gilanni McCoy who 388 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: had played at U C. L A. And I think 389 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was a second round pick. 390 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: He played in the NBA for a while. Uh, Darryl 391 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: Russell defensive tackle played for the Raiders. Remember him. He 392 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: was like the second overall pick out of us. He 393 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: played on our team. Um we had, Yeah, it was. 394 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: It was some athletes out there. Another guy who played 395 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: football at Texas, another guy who played basketball like Utah. 396 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: But it was it was good. One of the UH 397 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: first games we played, we were late to to get 398 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: on the floor. It was up in Compton at the 399 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: Mingus Hills where we were playing, and we walk in 400 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: the gym. Now, mind you, Gilanni, I think the number 401 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: one center in the country at that time. We walk 402 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: in the gym and it's like lud Olson and Roy 403 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: Williams and all these guys, and I'm like, I do 404 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: not I do not belong out here, dude, I do 405 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: not belong out here. So I can go basketball stories. 406 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: My last basket, my last high school basketball game, and 407 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: we joke about it when we see each other, was 408 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: against Crossroads Christian up in Santa Monica and UH and 409 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: we were getting ready to play him, and we had 410 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: lost in the city championship in San Diego, which the 411 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: basketball in l A Is much better than the basketball 412 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: in San Diego. So we're the lowest the top two 413 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: teams from each each area. Move on. So we're the lowest, 414 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: We're the lowest seed in the state tournament then kind 415 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: of to move on. So our coaches like, we're playing 416 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: this team, uh, Santa Monica Crossroads. They've got a point guard. 417 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: He's he's pretty good, he's pretty explosive, and I'm like, Okay, 418 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: I don't know what who this guy is? Baron Davis. 419 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: It was Jay, it was and we joke about it. 420 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: It was like twenty two to two like that. I 421 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: mean it was like, and he's probably doing windmill dunksh unbelievable, unbelievable, best, best, 422 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: most explosive athlete I've ever competed against in any sport. 423 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: All Right, So, speaking of explosive athletes, back to the NFL. UM. 424 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: I don't want to put you on the spot, but 425 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: you had a tweet that I've mentioned a couple of 426 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: times on the podcast. Anybody who follows you, follows the 427 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: NFL knows this was important. You said, here's the one 428 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: thing that will impact the Deshaun Watson situation more than anything. 429 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: His willingness to sit and lose money. I think he's 430 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: a very principal dude, and he would be willing to 431 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: do that. This is how he gains leverage. Threat of 432 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: financial laws doesn't bother Now, Daniel Jeremiah is, as you 433 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: guys know, not just some guy who tosses out hot 434 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: takes like ESPN and FS wanted all that stuff. Daniel, 435 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: when you put this out, how much pushback did you get? Um? 436 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: You know what, I don't think I got much pushed 437 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: back at all, because I think the people that know 438 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: him know that like he's they know his background, they 439 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: know where he came from, um and in what he's 440 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: accomplished and where he is financially. And money is not 441 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: everything to everyone. You know, people always assume that everyone's 442 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: always just motivated purely by money. Some people aren't. And 443 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: when you know this kid's background and know his story 444 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: and then know what he already has secured financially for 445 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: his family going forward, UM, and you hear that he 446 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: is does not want to play there. He is done, 447 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: He is done with them. And I think back to 448 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. You know, everybody said, oh, Carson Palmer, he's 449 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: not gonna miss him. He's no way he's gonna miss 450 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: those checks. Carson Palmer was done with the Cincinnati Bengals 451 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: and it was it. He was like, if I don't 452 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: play again, I don't play a game. I'm not playing 453 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: there anymore. Um, And this feels closer to that than 454 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: it does to some of these other situations where they're 455 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: gonna call your bluff and like, Okay, I don't want 456 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: to miss that check. I'm coming in now. Maybe maybe 457 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: maybe that's what happens. Maybe the Houston Texans want to 458 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: play the game of chicken and see what happens. But 459 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: everything I know about DeShawn, if he says he's not coming, 460 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: I'll take him at his word. And you know, again, 461 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: having worked for teams, I'm curious. This is a dangerous 462 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: game to play if you're a team, easy way to 463 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: alienate yourself with players. Agents. Um, I don't know. You know, 464 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: if people are gonna really want to go play for 465 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: an organization where the owner lies to the quarterback and 466 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: then they refuse to trade it. Um, could is this 467 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: who has a leverage here? So I think the Shan 468 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: does everybody else? You know, most people on the outside 469 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: to look at it because of purely financial reasons, say, oh, 470 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: now the Texans have the leverage. It's their choice whether 471 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: or not he's on the team or not. It's not 472 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: his choice, it is their choice. So from that standpoint, yeah, 473 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: the ultimate leverage is with the team because they decide 474 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: whether to trade him or not. But I just think 475 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: when you look at the alternatives and you have somebody 476 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: that's willing to sit and I do think, and I've 477 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: talked to several gms about this, the anticipation is they 478 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: will be blown away with compensation, you know, from another team. 479 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: So when you sit there left with it, like, man, 480 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: this is kind of there's all this noise, and this 481 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: noise is going to continue around here as long as 482 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: this situation is here. You never want to trade a 483 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: quarterbacks twenty five years old, top five quarterback. I get 484 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: all that. But if you believe that he's going to 485 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: stick to his guns and you have these offers rolling 486 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: in with just massive amounts of picks and players, um 487 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: that that changes things. What do you make of this 488 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: Raiders smoke from the other their day? Um, the Raiders 489 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 1: would share trade Derek Carr for two firsts, assuming they 490 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: could get that. Yeah, I would agree. I don't know 491 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: where they get that from. There's no chance, no chance. 492 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's say they get one first, can they? 493 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think I think I think 494 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Derek Carr would probably get you a two and maybe 495 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: something else, you know, um that that would be. That 496 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: would be my guess. There's just so there's so many 497 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: there's so much movement in the quarterback space right now. 498 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: I just and maybe again maybe a one that would 499 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: be the ceiling for me, would be a one one one. 500 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: There's I can't imagine in a million years they get 501 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: two ones. Yeah, it's a one in like the what 502 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: the late twenties final give. But again, I don't how 503 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: enticing is that to the Texans. And then do the 504 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: Jets and Dolphins, given they have the second and third pick, respectively, 505 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: don't they basically have the best offer? Yes, because I mean, 506 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: if you're if you're the Texans the court, there has 507 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: to be a quarterback in return, right has to be. 508 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's necessarily Sam or twa. I 509 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: think it's the opportunity at pick number two or number 510 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: three to start the clock fresh, get that rookie quarterback, 511 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: which we've talked about the advantages there. Um. And so 512 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: those are the teams that have that to offer. You're like, Okay, 513 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: a team is gonna give me four first round picks 514 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: and they're all gonna be in the twenties. I'd rather 515 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: have the second pick. I'd rather have two first round 516 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: picks in that scenario, then four first round picks, because 517 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: one of those is gonna be my quarterback. And you know, 518 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: when you look at you look at what teams could 519 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: potentially give up, Like, I would not put anything out 520 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility. And I'm talking four first 521 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: round picks and two defensive you know, two quality starters. 522 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: Much So let me let me do this. Let's let's 523 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: do this. Uh, talk about the Raiders. Right, Let's just 524 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: say the Raiders. They're in the new building, they're in 525 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. They want to go all in, right, so 526 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: do you have do you have a pen here? We'll 527 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: do the exercise. All right, Let's let's just go through. 528 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: Let's say that. So if I I told you right 529 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: now the Raiders would give up five first round picks 530 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson, five first round picks, what would your 531 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: immediate reaction be, Well, can you even trade that many 532 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: first round picks? No? But I'm just let's just do 533 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: the hypothetical. So on its surface, that sounds crazy, right, 534 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: for one player. Okay, let's let's write down the raiders 535 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: last five first round picks. Well, yeah, we could go. 536 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go the other way. Let's start with 537 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland Farrell, let's go Josh Jacobs Um. They've got uh, 538 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs, Damon Arnett Um, and then there's one more 539 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: I'm missing. Who am I missing here? Oh? Jonathan Abram. 540 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram. So you look at those five players, You 541 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: mean to tell me the Texans would never take that trade. Never. Right. 542 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: So when you put names to picks like picks, I'm 543 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: a draft guy, I'm a personnel guy. Picks. I love picks. 544 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: But when you start putting some names to this and 545 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: you look at a twenty five year old franchise quarterback, 546 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: keep in mind we're gonna watch a forty three year 547 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: old quarterback playing the super Bowl. This is not something 548 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: for the next two to three years. This is something 549 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: for the next ten to twelve years minimum. Um. That's 550 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: why I don't put it out of the out of 551 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: the round. With possibilities, somebody could offer something like this. 552 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: My only pushback would be a team like the Raiders 553 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: has really little talent. Even if you give up everything 554 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: for Watson, So you don't make that much of a 555 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: quantum leap from four or five six win team to 556 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: eleven with Watson. But I think that applies to the 557 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: Jets too, doesn't it. I mean, if you're talking about 558 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: giving up Quinn Williams, uh, who's your only defensive player? Really, 559 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: and then three or four number ones like there, I 560 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: mean Daniels, they they don't have a good team. I 561 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: would never to me if I'm the Jets, considering that 562 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: I hold the number two pick, um, I'm going to 563 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: three first round picks. That's that just Quentin count as 564 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: one of them. No, well, I mean if you, yeah, 565 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: if you want to put if Quinn's in the deal, 566 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: then that's definitely gonna count it. So then you're getting 567 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: two picks in Quentin, and I don't I don't think 568 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: I would go beyond that. I think they're in a 569 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: position now where they are two with all these picks 570 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: to really build a good football team. And keep this 571 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: in mind, Joe Joe Douglas has got three super Bowl rings. Okay, 572 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: he's got a super Bowl ring with Joe Flacco, He's 573 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: got a Super Bowl ring with Trent Dilfer, and he's 574 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: got a super Bowl ring with Nick Foles. So he's 575 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: been places where they've built. They have built up the team, right, 576 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: that's what he's accustomed to, and they've and he knows 577 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: how to draft. Look at their draft last years, some 578 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: really good players in there, so he knows. So to 579 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: part with all of that, including your best argument the 580 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: best player on your roster, and Quinnin Williams would be 581 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: that would be too much, all right, Daniel Jeremiah. I mean, 582 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what's more exciting to give you. You know, 583 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: you want to pick the super Bowl or you want 584 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: to give me like who goes number two in the draft? 585 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: Maybe do both? Get out of I've got bucks thirty one, 586 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: I've got everybody said the same thing. I picked Tampa 587 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: last week against Green Bay. JPP tore up Billy Turner 588 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: last week. A backup tackle he gets. Now you've got 589 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: him shack at to play against two backup tackles in 590 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: Kansas City. I've seen the Chargers. They haven't won a 591 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: bunch of them, but I've seen them slow down the 592 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: homes because with botha and Ingram, they were able to 593 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: get a lot of pressure without sending more than four 594 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: I think Tampa's in a position now where they don't 595 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 1: have the blitz. I think they can get home with 596 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: that four. I think they can play a lot of coverage, 597 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: limit the big plays. I think it matches up pretty 598 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: well for Tampa. So you know, that's that's an angle 599 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: I had not considered. All right, Daniel Jeremiah A k 600 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: A move the sticks. You'll see him everywhere, I mean 601 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: all the time. He's money. Daniel thinks a lot, Man 602 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: and enjoy the game. I appreciate your friendship, but good 603 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: to see man. Great stuff from Daniel Jeremiah. You can 604 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: tell I have an affinity for his work. He's very 605 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: plugged in. He keeps it real. You know, Jets fans, 606 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: you listen closely to that Deshaun Watson stuff. It's looking 607 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: good for the Jets. But we'll see what happens with 608 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson in the draft. I'm a bit surprised by 609 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: his Super Bowl prediction. We'll see what happens Sunday. All right, 610 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: Next up Ak bar Ca b A B. Jamela And 611 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: I said his name wrong again and I'll say it 612 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: again wrong. In the podcast, Jason likes to think he 613 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: knows everything when it comes to sports. I know what 614 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: sports stands want, but for everything he doesn't. He knows 615 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: a guy who does. Let's just say I know a 616 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: guy who knows who knows another guy. All right, let's 617 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: welcome into straight fire. A guy you know, I mean, jeez, 618 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: playing in the NFL. He's been all over TV, American 619 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: Ninja War. He does everything. He's famous. Uh, he's got 620 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: that bald dome and he's a big, big dudek bar 621 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: kg be a Mila. Did I say your last name? Right? I? No, No, 622 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: he did. But you know what it's It's all right man. 623 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: This twelve letters and there's a whole lot more to 624 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: it that you couldn't even say. Anyways, it's ok barak okay, 625 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: I did not. I did not come close to that. 626 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: We're talking you for super Bowl week. You're you're here 627 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: for experience and you know a big storyline and in 628 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl's Kansas City's offensive line is will beat 629 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: up Eric Fisher the left tackles out and JP P 630 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: and Shack Barrett could have a field day in the 631 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl as a guy who played in the NFL 632 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: on the line. I'm curious your thoughts. Can they take 633 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: over this game. Well, they very well could be. This 634 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: is a liability now for the Kansas City chief. You 635 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: think back to you know Ldt, who went from the 636 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: old line to the front line being able to you know, 637 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: say hey, look, I'm gonna give up this season because 638 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: I want to help out with COVID. So that's their 639 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: starting guard that they lost during the course of the season, 640 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: so they've already been without him. Then you have Eric Fisher, 641 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: h Mitchell Swartz uh. Losing those those three guys and 642 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: not having them for the Super Bowl, that's a big deal. 643 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: And you get that with and Dominican Sue Shack Barrett, 644 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: and then you get of course JP p who's a 645 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: buddy of mine. That could create a lot of havoc. 646 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: But I would caution though, because you gotta reminber though, 647 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, coming after you know, that offensive line and 648 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: trying to get a lot of pressure on Patrick Mahomes right, 649 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of that. If you start dunking 650 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: out to Tyreek Hill, that could create you know, Tyreek 651 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: can take five and make it fifty. He can go 652 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: eight eight and not the gate real quick. So I 653 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be important for them to to try 654 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: to keep everything in front of him and win those 655 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: one on one matchups. So it will be it would 656 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: be imperative for those guys to take advantage of those 657 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: matchups and be able to win the one on one 658 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: pressure and make Patrick Mahomes move. But the one scary 659 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: thing is when Patrick Mahomes gets out the pocket, he 660 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: still makes magic happen. So it's not like he's only 661 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: confined to the pocket and being able to be productive. Yeah. 662 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: We we looked at the bak tread being out for 663 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: the Packers, and you know, Tampa Bay Sach Rodgers five 664 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: times in the conference championship game, and I just I 665 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: do wonder you made a great point about Mahomes, Like 666 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: it's one thing to blitz Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, 667 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: two guys who are you know, in their late third 668 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: these early forties, Patrick Mahomes and the toe seems to 669 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: be healed. Um, I don't know. I'm just curious your 670 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: your your thoughts on Mahomes as a quarterback. The dude 671 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: and he's in his third year, bar he's in his 672 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: second Super Bowl already, Like this guy is unbelievable. Yeah, 673 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Jay, He's he's really said it pretty high, 674 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: and I think he's really stepped up and he's owned it. 675 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: You know, when when you think about that kind of 676 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: one on one matchup, you know, with the offensive line, 677 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: when I watch tape on him, when nobody watches tape anymore, 678 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: or when I watch film, but when I watched film 679 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: on on Patrick Mahomes, when you get those one on 680 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: one pass rushes, he's very good because what happens when 681 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: you get a one on one pass rush, it creates lanes, right, 682 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: and if you have those lanes, he's very good and 683 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: stepping in those lanes, stepping in the pocket, getting out 684 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: and creating pressure. So that's where he makes magic happen. 685 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: And he sees things and they almost have like this freestyle, 686 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: fast break type of offense that when things to break down, 687 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: those players can be any which way. But remember there's 688 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of attention on guys like Tyreeke 689 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: and of course Travis Kelsey, but it's the guys like 690 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: Nicole Hardman and Sammy Watkins that can freeball it freestyle 691 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: excuse me that, Yeah, yeah, play free ball and go 692 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: out there and make it happen. Yeah, let's listen, we're 693 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: contractually obligated to mention Tom Brady the ageless wonder. I 694 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: will say this. I haven't heard a lot of people 695 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: bring up Steve Spagnolo this week. Uh. He is the 696 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: one who devised that New York Giants defensive pressure against 697 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 1: Brady and the Super Bowl that one of the greatest 698 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: teams in NFL history, Patriots were undefeated Giants beat him. 699 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: Um is there anything we can glean from Spagnolo's history? Um? 700 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: Do you think he blitzes the way they blitzed Josh 701 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: Allen last week? Or do you think they just try 702 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: to get home with four and cook up some zones 703 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: against Brady. I think they're gonna have to bring some pressure. 704 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: He still moves very well within the pocket, but I 705 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: think once he gets outside of the pocket, I think 706 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: that's where things start to happen. I don't think you 707 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: try to come in with a lot of trickery. I 708 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: think you try to play um play just as is 709 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: he played that base more than just base defense. But 710 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: you want to make sure that you're doing your job. 711 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: It's a d y J type of thing. Because Tom 712 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: Brady has been in the league for twenty years. I 713 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: think what you're gonna throw at him something he's never 714 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: seen before. He's seen it all. You don't think he's 715 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: gone back watch that Super Bowl and scenes Spagnol and 716 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: what he did against him that made him. So he's very, 717 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: very good in being able to adapt and make the 718 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: the adjustments, the necessary adjustments. I think it's just doing 719 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: your job in capitalizing. Look in the NFC Championship Game, 720 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: how many interceptions did he throw? Right? So it's it's 721 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: comes down to not trying to make yourself vulnerable by 722 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: trying to create a look that you think somehow you 723 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: can fool. You ain't gonna food Tom Brady. There's just 724 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: no fool in him. He's seen it all, literally twenty 725 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: years old. I'm curious. We talked about Andy Reid a 726 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: little bit this week, and it's so funny how narratives 727 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: changed quickly. Andy Reid was a great coach in Philly 728 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: who could never win the big one, you know, could 729 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: never NFC title game. He kept losing McNabb vomit's all 730 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: over himself. In the Super Bowl, he gets Patrick Mahomes 731 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: and now Andy Reid is your top five coach of 732 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: all time. I'm just curious, you know, as as a 733 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: former player, when you hear this stuff, you're now in 734 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: the media and you've got to talk on it. But like, 735 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: is it a little silly that we can go from 736 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: man Andy read Camp win the Big Game too? Yeah, 737 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: he's the top seven all time coach. Yeah. I think 738 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: it's just people like to pile on. They love to 739 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: pile on guys who get close but can't quite make it. Uh. 740 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: Part of that those commentaries come from envy and seeing 741 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: that wow, like look at him, look at him. But 742 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: I think we all know if you've ever been a 743 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: part of a team sport, you realize sometimes you're just 744 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: one piece away, right, And it could go the other 745 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: way as well, like Patrick Mahomes could be one piece 746 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: away from not having the same type of success, right. 747 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: And so if anyone's done better or have done more 748 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: with less, it's been Tom Brady. Throughout his career. He's had, 749 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, some great players, but he's also had some 750 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: very average players and he's still made Super Bowl runs. 751 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: So he's done more with more this year. He's done 752 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: more with less in the past, right, but he had 753 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: Randy Moss and stuff like that. But I think what 754 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: it means is what it shows you is that you know, 755 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: for the most of the league, and for the entirety 756 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: most of it comes as such a such a team 757 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: sport that you need every little thing to hit on 758 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: every cylinder. And for so many years Andy Reid, it 759 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: was always like a piece away or you know, sometimes 760 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: there's a play call or you know, whatever it might be. 761 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: But I think it never took away from the fact 762 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: that Andy Reid was really a great coach. I think 763 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: the same could be said to for, you know, a 764 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: good coach that I had, Marty Schottenheimer. He was always 765 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: accused of not being able to win the big one. 766 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: But Marty Schottenheimer was a g like Martin Schetenheimer could coach. Now. 767 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: He he had some really good teams, and I don't 768 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: think he gets enough credit for you know, the type 769 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: of coach, and he was um and it had he 770 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: been blessed with, you know, something like then obviously he 771 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: had the two thousand six charges that won fourteen and two, 772 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: and course loss to the you know, to the to 773 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: the Patriots and so on and so forth. But my 774 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: point is is that Andy Reid just gets hated on 775 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: because he didn't win in and people see the success, 776 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: but hey, you didn't quite get it, so we get 777 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: to hate on you. Uh awkward. I want to talk 778 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: a little bit about your your background as an athlete. 779 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: Uh you know, listen, COVID has screwed up a lot 780 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: of things for parents and young athletes, and we have 781 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: a lot of parents with young athletes who listen to 782 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: this podcast, and you know, we're trying to get the 783 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: kids out of the house doing stuff. But I just 784 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: want to hit on your story about you didn't actually 785 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: play football right until you were what like late in 786 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: high school, so this is that accurate first of all, 787 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: and then you end up in the NFL like five 788 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: or six years later. Just you know, tell people like, 789 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: hey man, you don't need to put your kid in 790 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: soccer practice four days a week when they're seven years old. 791 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: Like I love your story. Well, Jay, it's it's so true. 792 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: So I was in love with basketball. You couldn't pull 793 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: me away from basketball my first girlfriend, you know, I mean, like, 794 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: I loved basketball. I saw myself playing for the Lakers 795 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: with Magic Johnson so on and so forth, and that 796 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: was it for me. But um, but you know it 797 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: was funny because I was, as you know, playing at 798 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: Crenshaw High School. I wasn't as good as I thought 799 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: I was. And it wasn't until my high school coach 800 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: just I mean harassed me to play football my brother, 801 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: who was an outstanding football player his whole life. People 802 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: thought that I could have the same type of potential. 803 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until my senior year in high school 804 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: where I decided I'm gonna give it a shot. And 805 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: I think to your further point was I got five 806 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: football scholarships zero basketball scholarship offers, right, And so I'm like, 807 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: how does that happen? I think the pressure that parents 808 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: are putting on their kids now is that they have 809 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: to be like a pro now because it's super competitive. 810 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: How many parents are now playing for private coaches. I 811 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: mean I didn't grow up with private coaches, you know 812 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like people are like private coach, private 813 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: coach because they want their kids. And some of it 814 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: has to do with them, you know, m vicariously living 815 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: through their kids. Right, my kid is going to be 816 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 1: the next great, My kid is going is so good, 817 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: And so they put this pressure where kids are either 818 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: getting burned out. But what they forget is that athleticism 819 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: is dynamic, being able to I think what made Odell 820 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: Beckham such a great wide receivers. The fact that he 821 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: played soccer. Hakimlajuan was his footwork was amazing because he 822 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: played soccer. So these guys had strong based athletic base, 823 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: and so I would always encourage young young parents and 824 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: parents who with young kids. Rather, I'd encourage them to 825 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: go out there and let their kids play and be familiar. 826 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: Now there's a certain point, right, because it's super competitive 827 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: and people are so focused on one sport you can't 828 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: get behind. Like when I played, there were a lot 829 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: more people who were just kind of doing different sports right, 830 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: and your athleticis just took over. But now people are 831 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: like their young quarterbacks at seven years old who were 832 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: thrown like professionals. You know they've got professional coaches at 833 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: seven years old. You can't compete with that ten years later. 834 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: But I can't say you give your kid the best 835 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: chance to compete when you give them a solid base 836 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: and a solid basis a variety of sports. Yeah, the 837 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: playing everything is definitely the way to go um, but 838 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: you have to also even though you've got the scholarships, 839 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: you still want undrafted and clauded your way into the NFL. 840 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: I am gonna ask. You know, obviously you're impartial now 841 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: you're in the media, but do just part of you 842 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: root for the Raiders because you know they signed you 843 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: and took the chance on you. Yeah, I do, yeah, yeah. 844 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: But there's two parts. One is that because I grew 845 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: up in l A when they were the Los Angeles Raiders, um, 846 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: and I'm all l A everything, l A Lakers, l 847 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: A Dodgers, not l A Clippers, never that l A 848 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: Kings um and the Raiders even though they moved to Oakland, 849 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I could never get jiggy with the Rams. 850 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: I could never. But you know, and the other part 851 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: of me, you know, I root for the Charges as well, 852 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 1: But I think I identified more with the Raiders because 853 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 1: they took a chancel me. And when you're that low, 854 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, when no you go undrafted and you start 855 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: putting your hopes and your dreams and getting drafted and 856 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: a team gives you that chance and that opportunity, there's 857 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: a certain then, you know, the friendships that you developed 858 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: with with the people and the staff and the you know, 859 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: and for me at the time, with the you know, 860 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: the relationship with the owner with Mr Al Davison, all 861 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: those things that kind of think helps me. Just kind 862 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: of if you looked inside of my office, it's all 863 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: silver and black here. So where are you on this 864 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: whole chatter that Derek Carr could be traded so that 865 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: the Raiders can ultimately get enough picks to then acquired 866 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. Well, I think it's gonna be an intriguing one. 867 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: That's a lot. You've given up a lot for to 868 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: get Deshaun Watson. You're kind of starting back over and 869 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: hoping to get you know, Deshaun Watson to be able 870 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: to take on the the John Gruden's offense. I will 871 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: say the that I think, I don't think we should 872 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 1: lose the fact that Derek Carr was the only quarterback 873 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 1: this year that beat Patrick Mahomes in the Kansas City 874 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: Chiefs outside of that last loss that Patrick Mahomes sat out, 875 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: of course, you know, because of the end of the season. 876 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: But uh, here's a guy that threw from yards. He 877 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: had a three to one ratio touchdown to interception ratio. 878 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: He had twenty seven touchdowns nine interceptions. Like people shouldn't 879 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: forget like he can play. It's not that many superstar 880 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks out there. You know what I mean, Like and 881 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: thirty with thirty two teams out there, they're not ten 882 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: superstar quarterbacks. You get your top three or four and 883 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: the rest of them you start trying to prioritize in 884 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: I think there's a trend in the NFL like if 885 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: you're not in the top you know, like, that's that's 886 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: very hard. You're not producing Tom Brady's and Patrick mahomes 887 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: in the draft, and so I think you have to 888 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: figure out what system best works with the personnel grouping 889 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: that you have. And that really does to fall on 890 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: the coaches. Hey are we giving him the best opportunity 891 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: to succeed. I used myself as an example. I thought 892 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: my career took a turn when I moved to outside linebacker. 893 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: When we took rob Ryan. Rob Ryan came in made 894 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: me an outside linebacker. That was challenging for me that 895 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have that knowledge to be able to hook 896 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: the colonel cover to get I had to learn that. 897 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: It took me a while to learn football from the 898 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: back end in order to be productive, you know what 899 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean. Now, obviously career cut short, but my point 900 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: in that is that it makes a lot more sense 901 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: to get the personnel and understand what the personnel is 902 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: to get that person to thrive and not you're saying 903 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna force you into my system and you just 904 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: gotta go in here because we all have our strength 905 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: and weakness weaknesses as an as a as an athlete. Yeah, 906 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 1: I guess I'll get you out of here real quick. 907 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: On Derek carr like Gruden inherited him. It wasn't like 908 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: his choice. And you know, Gruden has kind of had 909 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: a rocky start with the Raiders, up and down. They 910 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: have made the playoffs. Yet I don't know, do you 911 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: think ultimately wants to move on? Who wants to move 912 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: on Grouted? You think he was just what is ready 913 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: is done with carr Um? That's a great question. I mean, look, 914 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: John Gruden is obsessed with football, and he loves football, 915 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: and he's always gonna try to one up. But that's 916 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: a competitor. A competitor is always going to try to 917 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: one up. So I wouldn't be mad at John Gruden 918 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: for one up. And look, if you can get a 919 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, let's let's keep it real now. Like I 920 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: love the Raiders, but if you can get a Deshaun Watson. 921 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: You better go get him, You better go get them, 922 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, there's gonna be some hurt feelings, 923 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,439 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And that doesn't mean that Derek 924 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: Carr can't play. I think Derek Carr in the right 925 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: system could play. I like, for example, if there were 926 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: no Patrick Mahomes and you put Derek Carr in the 927 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs offense, I think people are singing a 928 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: different tune. We've seen that happen. Heck, Randy Moss turned 929 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: came to the Raiders and wasn't Randy Moss. Then he 930 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: went to the Patriots and it was like, oh, whoa, 931 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So he was Vikings, whoa? 932 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: He was Raiders No, and then he was Patriots, whoa? 933 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So my point is as 934 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: certain systems fit different players. And so this is not 935 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: a knock on Derek Carr as far as him as 936 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: a player. It could be a knock on him as 937 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: far as if he met meshes with this system. Alright, 938 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: bar you're here on behalf of experienced super Bowl Week. 939 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: You want to tell us a little bit about them? 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My 954 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: kids love Disney Plus, UH Stars, I love Power on Stars, 955 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: um you know the HBO. They can take all of 956 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: that self reported to boost and this helps to improve 957 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: your credit score. And I was able to take my 958 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: credit score that was going down during the pandemic and 959 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: allowed to improve to seven. That's the most I've ever had. 960 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: And I think it's the dedication that Experience has to 961 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: being able to help the fans, help people get their 962 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: credit score and recover because when you look at right now, 963 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: like interest rates, for example, interest rates is all time low. 964 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: But the only way to take advantage of these low 965 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: interest rates to be able to have good credit. And 966 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: great credit allows you to leverage yourself, especially in the 967 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: time of financial hardship. Maybe you're trying to start a business, 968 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: maybe you're trying to recover from your business taking a hit, 969 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: and you need a little bit more influx of cash 970 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: and you need to get that credit. This is why 971 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,800 Speaker 1: it's so important to utilize a tool like Experience boost, 972 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: where you can just self report the things that you're 973 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: doing on time, paying on time, like your cable and 974 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: your utilities in your streaming services. Those things allow you 975 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: to raise your credit score. And I think for me, 976 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: I just want to hook everyone else up because if 977 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 1: I know something and it works for me, I want 978 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: to be able to give that out and that that 979 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: information and share with people. So it's a simple thing. 980 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: You can go to experience dot com, slash boost and 981 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,959 Speaker 1: uh and boost your credit score. Alright, ouf bar, thanks 982 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: a lot, and enjoy the game. All right. Thanks Jack,