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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is twos the October thirteenth, twenty twenty, season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number forty three. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: I'm live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star.

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Speaker 1: Nick is joining me here in the studio. We got

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Speaker 1: Dave and Amber who are from their homes, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk Cowboys football if you guys, for forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Today is Tuesday, so it's a big picture day. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot of topics to talk about and we're

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Speaker 1: going to hit a lot of different things. So let's

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Speaker 1: something that McCarthy mentioned on his press conference yesterday. He

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Speaker 1: was asked, do the Cowboys have to recalibrate now that

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Speaker 1: you make a change at quarterback? And he actually liked

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Speaker 1: that word, and he said, yeah, exactly, that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of how we look at it. We kind of have

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Speaker 1: to recalibrate, calibrate. My question for you guys is do

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Speaker 1: you think they need to change the offensive line? Is

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Speaker 1: that one of the calibrations that they need to make? Now?

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Speaker 1: Last week they had you know, Steel on one side

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Speaker 1: quarterback or at least we don't think you have a

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Speaker 1: quarterback who's as mobile, do you think they need to

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Speaker 1: make a change in the offensive line? Nicko, let's start

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Speaker 1: with you. Honestly, I think they need to get I mean,

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Speaker 1: the best guys they can get up there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't care if Dak was playing or not. I

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Speaker 1: mean if Cam Irving comes back this week and he's

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Speaker 1: better option than Terrence Deal, which he wasn't in Week

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Speaker 1: one apparently according to the coaches. But I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it really matters as far as what

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Speaker 1: get the best guys. And maybe Terrence Steele's getting better,

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Speaker 1: He's going to get better. It's hard to judge off

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Speaker 1: one game, but I don't think the skill set of

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Speaker 1: Dak and Andy Dalton should affect the guys up front.

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Speaker 1: If give me the five best guys up there, regardless

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Speaker 1: was playing Amber. It's tough now that you keep losing guys.

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Speaker 1: So like a few weeks ago, yeah, it was kind

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Speaker 1: of fun to talk about the different combinations that you

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Speaker 1: could do and the different options. But then once you're

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Speaker 1: down to the amount of guys that you are, I

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Speaker 1: mean the group of guys, I don't see them that

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Speaker 1: Nick said, at this point, it's just trying to get

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Speaker 1: And just again what we keep talking about is making

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Speaker 1: sure that they're able to find the combination that they

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Speaker 1: want and just stick to it so that there is

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Speaker 1: a sense of continue what would be the word continuity continuity? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: continuity continuity, Yeah, Yeah, to kind of keep it, keep

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Speaker 1: of wondering, oh, what who are we going to get

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Speaker 1: solidifying that aspect, but get your five guys, the best

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Speaker 1: I continue to be impressed by Tyler Beotish. You know,

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Speaker 1: the clips of him performing really well, like hitting reach blocks,

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Speaker 1: Andy can move, like Andy can move and make plays.

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Speaker 1: I definitely don't think Andy is as athletic as Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like they're signing Garrett Gilbert the

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Speaker 1: What kind of impact is There's one thing to think

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Speaker 1: It's a really wonderful point, a g And like, don't

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Speaker 1: just think about the front office, but you also have

430
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Speaker 1: to consider the message that that sends. If you do

431
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Speaker 1: that and you saw how beloved he is by everybody

432
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Speaker 1: in that locker room, I mean, you already knew it anyway,

433
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Speaker 1: but you saw it on Sunday. That's an interesting point.

434
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Speaker 1: If the Cowboys tried to pull that off, and I

435
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Speaker 1: wonder how a lot of guys would react to it.

436
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: To answer the question more plainly, like, I guess I'd

437
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Speaker 1: have to see just how well Andy Dalton played. I mean,

438
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Speaker 1: if they get into the playoffs with him managing the game,

439
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I mean, Dak was Dak is

440
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of transforming into that quarterback or he was.

441
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they were one in three. But the

442
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Speaker 1: stuff that he was doing on a regular basis, being

443
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Speaker 1: able to take over games and will his team back

444
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: into game, I mean, that's that's what people always say

445
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: they want to see, is like, oh, well he's not Rogers.

446
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: He can't take over the game without without his starting tackles. Yeah, Ken,

447
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: he was doing it on a regular basis, And I'm

448
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Speaker 1: not getting rid of that because I think I can,

449
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, save a few bucks. No way, not if

450
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Speaker 1: he continues on the trajectory that it looks like he's on,

451
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Speaker 1: You're gonna look real stupid in about five years trying

452
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Speaker 1: to pull that off. Unless Dalton just has this absolutely

453
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Speaker 1: amazing resurgence where he is playing like an all pro.

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Speaker 1: But that's never really been his game, and he was

455
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Speaker 1: on some pretty good teams at different points in his

456
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati career, So I would be surprised to see that,

457
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Speaker 1: And no, I'm not trading that in for what I

458
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Speaker 1: think Dak might become. Yeah, I think when you look

459
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Speaker 1: at it, and to go to your point, Dave, I

460
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: think we do look at it. I don't see a

461
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Speaker 1: scenario where the Cowboys will be winning and winning big

462
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Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is winning deep into

463
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Speaker 1: the playoffs without their offense scoring a ton of points.

464
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Speaker 1: Like it's not this defense is going to transform overnight.

465
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Speaker 1: They had some players that played really well in this

466
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Speaker 1: last game, and even with that, they still gave up

467
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Speaker 1: Even if you take away the touchdown that was scored

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Speaker 1: on the pick six, they still gave up twenty seven points.

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Speaker 1: So I mean it's it's one of those situations where

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to score a lot of points offensively.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but does it get tougher than Daniel Jones

472
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Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, And absolutely it does. It does I'm saying

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Speaker 1: that get worse, And that's my point. The defense is

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Speaker 1: still going to be the defense. So there is no

475
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Speaker 1: scenario where the offense is not gonna have to rely

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Speaker 1: on the quarterback. To score a ton of points if

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to be successful. So I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have if this happens, I think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: have great season. I think the way that that it

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Speaker 1: goes though, is very similar to what happened in Philly.

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Speaker 1: You yeah, I mean they went all the way to

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Speaker 1: the mountaintop with with Nick Foles won the Super Bowl,

483
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Speaker 1: and then they shook his hand and said we're going

484
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Speaker 1: back to our young guy. Because that's the issue. That

485
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: is five years younger than than Andy, and quite frankly,

486
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Speaker 1: I think they're comparable at the least, they're comparable quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And so if you've got two guys, you think both

488
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Speaker 1: have the capability to be able to do the job.

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Speaker 1: I think you still go with the younger guy, the

490
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Speaker 1: significantly younger guy. In NFL years five years less, that

491
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Speaker 1: means you got five more years potentially of a contract. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To me, I think I think you kind of changed

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Speaker 1: the question in my opinion. I never am I saying

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Speaker 1: go to Andy Dalton over Dack. What I'm thinking saying

495
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Speaker 1: is is I think if Andy Dalton has success, it

496
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Speaker 1: might let the Cowboys kind of stick to where they

497
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Speaker 1: are with what they want to give him because he

498
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Speaker 1: was on a path to maybe exceed that and you

499
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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta break the bank even more than they want.

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Speaker 1: I think if if, if the injury, plus what happens

501
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: if he has success, it kind of keeps them on

502
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: the same plane of all right, this is kind of

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Speaker 1: what we still think. This is where you need to

504
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Speaker 1: be understood. I wasn't disputing that. What I'm saying. My

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00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: question initially was about does this change anything about the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and the decision that they make at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. If he should take them deep in

508
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, do they should they consider the possibility of

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Speaker 1: keeping him around. I don't think that's a real possibility.

510
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: I think Dak is their guy, and I guess that

511
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Speaker 1: was the question I was asking you, guys, He'll make

512
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Speaker 1: more money somewhere else because he'll get it. Absolutely, that's

513
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: absolutely right, the same thing that that Nick Foles did,

514
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Speaker 1: and I think it researches this. It gives him a

515
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Speaker 1: new new life into his career that otherwise it was

516
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Speaker 1: probably floundering. Am bit you know, all right, real quick,

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Speaker 1: before we go to another break, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about a comment that Jerry Mate this

519
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: morning on one or five out three the Fan, he

520
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: says he was talking about Dak's injury, and he said,

521
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Speaker 1: what it does remind me of, though, is you cannot

522
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Speaker 1: figure in as part of your offense, is that you

523
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Speaker 1: really are vulnerable when you put a running game in

524
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Speaker 1: that real utilizes a lot the running game with the quarterback,

525
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: this game, you're going to get hurt. Basically, what he's

526
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: saying there in kind of the you know reading James words,

527
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: is you play your quarterback, you run him a lot,

528
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Speaker 1: You're going to get him hurt. How much do you

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Speaker 1: think that changes that mindset, changes how the Cowboys decide

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Speaker 1: to use Dak when he comes back next season, Because

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Speaker 1: I do believe the running game is a big part

532
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Speaker 1: of the advantages of what you get in a quarterback

533
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Speaker 1: like Dak Prescott amber up first. Well, after seeing what happened,

534
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: there's always going to be certain hesitation in playing your

535
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Speaker 1: quarterback that way because you don't want something like that

536
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: to happen again. But at the same time, knowing your

537
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: east should necessarily dictate the kind of game plan that

538
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Speaker 1: you decide to put out there. I do think that

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00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: the timing of when they choose to run him and

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00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 1: have him keep the ball should be a little different.

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Speaker 1: Like we've seen him in the red zone and get

542
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: touched then that way, and it has worked pretty pretty

543
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: well for them. But I think that if they are

544
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: able to really find the right balance between their running

545
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: back running game and the passing game, there there's really

546
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: no need to get Dak out of the pocket and

547
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: have him run for that far. You know, little yards

548
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: here and there. It's okay, but in a scenario like that, obviously,

549
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: that would not be my choice. Nick, I think I

550
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: kind of disagree again. I mean, I just feel like

551
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: he's not that's not his strength is to sit in

552
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Speaker 1: the pocket and make make these throws. M He's doing

553
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: it though, I mean he was doing it. He was

554
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: having a really good uh year, And I think what

555
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: you guys are onto something about, you know, just like

556
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson had to kind of, you know, transform his

557
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: game and getting better and better. He was showing that.

558
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: His strength, though, is still not with those intermediate throws.

559
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: That's not He's not Troy Aitman like that. He doesn't

560
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Speaker 1: have that pinpoint accuracy. He has though, is he's a

561
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: linebacker that plays quarterback and so that play, the play

562
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: that got him hurt, is a play that you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could say, well, why was he getting

564
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: extra yards? I've heard that complaint. Well, he's getting extra

565
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: yards because that's the player you love. You love that

566
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: guy because he's tough and he plays that way, and

567
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: it got him hurt. But I don't think it it

568
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: will change that. There's a record that Cowboys have won.

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Speaker 1: I gotta go look it up. But when he gets

570
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Speaker 1: about thirty yards or more a game, I mean it's

571
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Speaker 1: like twenty one and three or something. So that's kind

572
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Speaker 1: of his game and it's just unfortunate that he got

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Speaker 1: hurt doing it. But I don't he's ever been really

574
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Speaker 1: really fast, So a broken ankle, he's not gonna come

575
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Speaker 1: back and gonna be slower. I mean, it's he's still

576
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: gonna be built strong and throw the ball well and

577
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Speaker 1: run people over. I don't know if it changed as much.

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Speaker 1: Dave I agree with or I disagree with both of y'all, unfortunately,

579
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Speaker 1: because I think that's that's what makes this contract negotiation

580
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: so interesting, is like dak is becoming that quarterback who

581
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: can stand in the pocket and just drive dimes on everybody.

582
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: I highly encourage everyone to go pull up the clips

583
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: of all of his throws to CD the other day,

584
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: and there are just some incredible freakin throws, especially the

585
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: ones down the seam. The guy is a lot more

586
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: accurate than he gets credit for in my opinion. But

587
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: going back to the real conversation is it's funny because

588
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: in the interview this morning, Jerry, at the beginning of

589
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: the interview, he was like, you can't, you can't play

590
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: that what if game. This is football, and then five

591
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: minutes later that's exactly what he did. And this is

592
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: the epitome of the what if game. Dak was averaging

593
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: three and a half carries per game this year. He

594
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: had only cared that it was his eighteenth carry of

595
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Speaker 1: the year. He was right on pace for his normal

596
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Speaker 1: number of carries. If he had kept up that pace

597
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: all year, he probably carries the ball fifty times. That's

598
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: not a lot for especially for a guy that can move.

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00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: It's a freak accident. The dude he was basically he

600
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: was a running back in college, Like, he carried the

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00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: ball fifteen times a game in college, and he's carried

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Speaker 1: it a lot as a pro, and nothing like this

603
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: had ever happened. It's a freak injury. It sucks, but

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00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: it shouldn't change the way you feel about him. He

605
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: won you a playoff game with his ability to run,

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00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, would you take that away, the

607
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, the third and eleven scramble that gets you

608
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: down to the goal line to put a playoff game away?

609
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. And honestly, I freaking loved that play call

610
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: because typically we see the quarterback draw down near the

611
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: goal line to break that out outside of the red zone,

612
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: and it got them into the red zone. I thought

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00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: it was fantastic and it sucks what happened, but I

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00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't let it change anything about the way that I

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00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: use DAK. Yeah, you mentioned Nick Russell Wilson, and I

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Speaker 1: think I agree with you, Dave. But here's why I agree.

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00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: I think that there's still gonna run him the same.

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Speaker 1: Where I think there will be a difference is I

619
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Speaker 1: think there will be an increased emphasis on don't take

620
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: hits if a guy's coming slide. And I think if

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Speaker 1: you watch Russell Wilson, that's one thing you notice about

622
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: his game. It is very, very extremely rare that Russell

623
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Wilson takes a hit when he's outside of the pockets scrambling. Typically,

624
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: when he gets running down field, he gets as much

625
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: as he can possibly get and then he gets down

626
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: and he's I think one of the best in the

627
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: league at he gets he maximizes the run, but once

628
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: he gets to a point where he's about to take

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Speaker 1: a hit, he gets down, he takes the slide. I

630
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: do think that in future, what we might see in

631
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: future years for Dak is that the team is really

632
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: focused on Dak, get the yards. We want you to

633
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: keep you that that part of your game. Don't take

634
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: the unnecessary hits. So if you see him coming, get

635
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: down and we'll live to fight another day. David, you

636
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: have something, yes, which I'm I'm stealing this point. I

637
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: think that's such a good point. I don't remember who

638
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: said this, but the two best quarterbacks in the league

639
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: right now at running for yards and not taking hits

640
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray. What did they both do? They

641
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: both played baseball. Ye, So, Dak, maybe when you're healthy,

642
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Speaker 1: hire a base running coach to teach you the final

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I would have absolutely gets get somebody

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Speaker 1: real nice and maybe you can avoid some of that concept.

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Speaker 1: So that Quincey's problem, Quincy Cartner too much slide. It's

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Speaker 1: a baseball got a right, Hutchinson. We had a lot

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Speaker 1: of baseball players around here. They were not sliding. That

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Speaker 1: was the deal. They were great throwers, just didn't slide.

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Speaker 1: Do you have Amber I was gonna add that. The

651
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Speaker 1: way I see it is that if they are able

652
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Speaker 1: to get a more consistent offense and be able to

653
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Speaker 1: get what they have been getting in that second half

654
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Speaker 1: of the game, just more throughout the game from beginning

655
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Speaker 1: to end, I think that that the Cowboys have enough

656
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Speaker 1: to where they don't really need to be getting Dak

657
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: running as much. Yes, in special place like that, it's helpful.

658
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Dak has made some really important place carrying the ball.

659
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you have a running game

660
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Speaker 1: and running back that when they limit their mistakes, you

661
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: have both the running game in the passing game to

662
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Speaker 1: where you don't necessarily need to be running your running back.

663
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Speaker 1: You're running back running your quarterback as much. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: how I see. It's just such a mismatch because unless

665
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Speaker 1: you're gonna put a spy on him, which if that

666
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Speaker 1: gets to that point where they're starting to spy him,

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Speaker 1: you know, then with the way he can throw it, man,

668
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: that's that that's exactly what you want, you know, because once, once,

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Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson gets to the point where he's just

670
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Speaker 1: absolutely killing people with his arm, which he's getting there,

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Speaker 1: I mean, MVP, Yeah, I mean, what I'm just saying

672
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Speaker 1: is is that that's how dangerous is you don't want

673
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Speaker 1: to put a spy on him. That's why I agree

674
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Speaker 1: it'd be great to have balance and not have to

675
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Speaker 1: do it. But if they're if the linebacker is gonna

676
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Speaker 1: cheat this way or this way because you got all

677
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: these weapons, sometimes the best play is up the middle. Yeah,

678
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: And I honestly believe it's one of the best things

679
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: he does now. I think he's a really great passer.

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Speaker 1: But I also think he has the ability, and he

681
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: goes back to what he did in college, he has

682
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: the ability to see opportunities to be able to take

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Speaker 1: a run. I don't want to take that away from

684
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Speaker 1: his game. I just want him to be smarter about

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00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: Hey know, when the riot is over and go down,

686
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Speaker 1: there's no point in taking the unnecessary hit. And I

687
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: think that's the area where they can probably improve him

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Speaker 1: a bit. All Right, we're gonna take our final bike.

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Speaker 1: We will come back. I want to talk a little

690
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Speaker 1: bit about special teams. They had some issues this last

691
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: game that continues to be a problem for this team.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about that in some areas

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Speaker 1: talked about DAK and we've talked about all the changes

735
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Speaker 1: that we think might happen to this offense as a

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Speaker 1: result of NAC not being here. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about special teams because specialty has been an issue for

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Speaker 1: this team really more than this season. It's been going

739
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: back a couple of years now, and they still haven't

740
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: seemed to get it right. This last game, they got

741
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: a costly penalty of twelve men on the field that

742
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: ended up giving the Giants and opportunity at a field

743
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Speaker 1: goal and they end up taking the three points. John

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00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: fossil went asked about it earlier this week, he said,

745
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Speaker 1: it's my job. I'm usually pretty good at math. It

746
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: will be an easy fix. It's not going to happen again.

747
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: My issue is like, that's just one issue. Yeah, get

748
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: it right. As far as the count, that shouldn't happen.

749
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Speaker 1: But it seems like all of these issues tend to

750
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Speaker 1: be matters of either coordination, poor coordination, or just guys

751
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: not really knowing what they're doing. So my question for

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Speaker 1: you guys is this is a problem that by the way,

753
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: last year they were having the similar issues on special teams.

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Speaker 1: At what point do you start to say you've changed

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00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: the coach. Maybe it's not the coach, maybe it's the players. Nicko,

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Speaker 1: let's start with you, Well, you know, I think you know,

757
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give excuses here, but when you

758
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of injuries, that this is going to

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00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: happen because you're you're calling up players on Saturday to

760
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Speaker 1: come up and play. They Stephen Parker or somebody he

761
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: was on the practice squad and then all of a

762
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: sudden he comes up and he plays in the game,

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Speaker 1: and so it's like yeah, yeah, and then you get

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Speaker 1: an injury in the game and now you're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out who's coming in, so that that definitely happens.

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Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I don't know if I've ever

767
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: said this, but like I never buy in the fact

768
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: of like, well, football is about three phases. It's offense, defense,

769
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: special teams. That's that's crap. That's not the case. Teams

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Speaker 1: don't do that. Teams don't emphasize special teams like they

771
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Speaker 1: do the others. If they did, they'd play their best

772
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Speaker 1: players and play their starters. They don't. So this is

773
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Speaker 1: what you get. You have to try to practice better

774
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: within the game. I mean, within the week, you have to.

775
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: You have to get the philosophy down better. But you know,

776
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: when you get injuries like this, this stuff happens. I

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00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: don't blame the players as much as I blame the

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Speaker 1: coaches on all that stuff. Though, like I said, there's

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Speaker 1: twenty eight coaches out there. Somebody needs to figure out

780
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: and see, oh man, there's Evan Ingram standing there by himself.

781
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: Maybe we should call time out. And by the way,

782
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we mentioned this, Camp Fleming was

783
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Speaker 1: the guy that got the fenalty that that negated that touchdown.

784
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Speaker 1: It wasn't the guy they called on the field. Cam

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Speaker 1: Fleming was a left tackle and the fans that are

786
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Speaker 1: watching this probably saw because Romo of course pointed out

787
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Speaker 1: he points out everything Cam Fleming was the one that

788
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Speaker 1: wouldn't down in his stance and they threw it to

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, and so that would they might have fired

790
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Speaker 1: the coach if that happened. And you give up a

791
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Speaker 1: touchdown on special teams on a fake like that, Yeah, yeah, Dave,

792
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Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, it was last year in Chicago,

793
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Speaker 1: I believe, or maybe it was Buffalo, like one of

794
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Speaker 1: the first examples we got. Oh, no, it was probably

795
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Speaker 1: it was probably New Engling, if I had to get master.

796
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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was straight up like, special teams is purely

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Speaker 1: a reflection of coaching. That's all it is, because, and

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Speaker 1: to Nick's point, the good players don't even play. The

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00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: starters aren't on your special teams, so anybody can do it.

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Speaker 1: So I refuse to believe it's about the players, it's all.

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00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean, twelvem in on the field, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: you you would like to think Cedric Wilson could like

803
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: do some quick math and make sure it's all right.

804
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: But the five coaches in charge of that, or you know,

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Speaker 1: take Tony Pollard to side and say, hey, you've had

806
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: some problems, so they're probably going to try to do

807
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Speaker 1: this to you. Maybe be ready for it, which he

808
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: was last week, to be fair, but all of the like,

809
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is just coaching and attention to detail,

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Speaker 1: and they haven't had it through these these first five weeks.

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Speaker 1: That's for sure. Amber coaches are players, which is well

812
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: to Dave's point, it's so disappointing because one of the

813
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: main guys that we've talked about a law during the

814
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: off season was Fastile and the experience, the amount of

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00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: experience that he has and the success that he had

816
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: in the past, so coming in, my expectations were really

817
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: really high, and I was expecting Special Teams to have

818
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Speaker 1: this drastic change and it hasn't happened. And the way

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Speaker 1: I see it again, I've never played football in my life,

820
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: so all I get to do is sit back and

821
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Speaker 1: watch from afar. But Special Teams doesn't seem that complicated

822
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Speaker 1: to me. Yes, you need a certain set of skills,

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Speaker 1: but it seems that the mistakes that they've been making

824
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: so far are mistakes that are just going back to

825
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: basics and communication and just having everyone on the same

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Speaker 1: page and having everyone know what their role is. So

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Speaker 1: I hope that it's something that they can actually fix,

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Speaker 1: because that's how I see. I see those things as

829
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Speaker 1: very fixable. But it hasn't happened yet, so it must

830
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: be a lot more complicated than the way I see it.

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Speaker 1: But I think it does go back to coaching at

832
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Speaker 1: this point, so which is a bigger problem for them

833
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: right now. Special teams are defense defense, Dave defense defense,

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Speaker 1: I mean special team you're talking. You're talking about like

835
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Speaker 1: eighteen snaps a game, verse eighty. Um. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: the defense was great, I'll live with the special team's

837
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: miscuse which one's more correctable? Special team? Special teams were counting,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you just get the count right, right,

839
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: you figure it out, you catch the ball, you know,

840
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: you mean some of them. But but I'll say this

841
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: about special teams and teams are figuring this out. I

842
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: kind of wish the Cowboys would do the same. They

843
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: did a couple of times. But the way the rules

844
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: are set up now, I mean, it's funny how the

845
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: NFL's trying for there not to be a kickoff and

846
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: teams are like, oh, we're gonna kick it all. Yeah,

847
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: they'll figure it out. So and they are. Then they're

848
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: figuring out what the Cowboys, I mean, Tony Pollard is

849
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: gonna be catching this this this kick at the one

850
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: yard line now, and so it's a it's a pooch kick.

851
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to get it, and they're gonna have

852
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Speaker 1: to block, and I mean it's it's gonna push him back.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna do that even more with Dandy Dalton

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