1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Live from Atlanta. This is a special edition of Sound 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: on the Georgia runoff election. The people have spoken. I 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: will walk with you even as I work for you. 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: One of the things I want to tell all of 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: you is you never stopped dreaming. I don't want any 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: of you to stop dreaming. I don't want any of 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: you to stop leaving in America. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: Policy and Perspective from DC's top name. Walker tried to 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: make this a referendum on Joe Biden or enough tried 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: to make it a choice on character and consident. Hershall 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Walker's conduct that issues around you know, his lifestyle just 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: was like gasoline on that fire. Bloomberg Sound On with 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The runoff is over, Well, 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: what will it change? Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: live from Atlanta once again on this day after with 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: both Democrats and Republicans said to learn some lessons from 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: this exercise, and we'll begin our conversation with Michael Santiago 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: render known to most as Killer Mike, the hip hop 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: star turned Democratic political activists now co founder of Greenwood 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: Financial Services, on the movement that sent Raphael Warnock from 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: Atlanta to Washington will dig into the results of our 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: signature panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jennie Chanzano 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: with us for the hour, along with the Gillespie political 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: scientists from Emory University here in Atlanta. The new balance 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: of power in the U. S. Senate as we had 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: for the next session, and also just happens to be 27 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: the spread between the two candidates here in Georgia. As 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Senator Raphael Warnock wins the race by just under ninety 29 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: seven thousand votes here he is it is victory. Really, 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: the work that we must do is difficult. The issues 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: are not simple, they're complex. But here's my promise to you. 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I will walk with you even as I work for you. 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: They had a party. Herschel Walker, to his credit, did 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: concede the race. There were questions of about that. He never, however, 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: mentioned his opponent's name. Listen, I'm not gonna make any 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: excuses now, because we put up one heck of a fight, 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: and I said, that's what that's what we gotta do, 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: because this is much bigger. This is much bigger than 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: herschel Walker. And so we all woke up a bit 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: bleary eyed this morning. It was a late night, only 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: to realize that well, it was still just really foggy 42 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It's felt like San Francisco here this week. 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm told that's not normal. But we made tracks down 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: to the iconic, the historic Evities or Baptist Church in Atlanta. 45 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: Of course, that is where it all began for Senator 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock as pastor, beginning in two thousand five, following 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: in the footsteps of Dr Martin Luther King Jr. Who 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: was co pastor at that church, now, of course a 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: national landmark, it's a national park. Spoke with some folks 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood and we connected while we were there 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: with Killer Mike. You're not gonna hear this conversation anywhere else. 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: Michael Santiago Render a superstar are in the hip hop world, 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: A co founder of the group Run the Jewels, star 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: of Trigger Warning on Netflix, co founder now of Greenwood 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: Financial Services. Is getting into fintech as well to try 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: to help communities of color, of course, a democratic political activist, 57 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: and I started by asking him about that very spot. 58 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: I was standing right on the corner in front of 59 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: the church and the role that that church, the community, 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: that neighborhood played in elevating Senator Raphael Warnock to victory. 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: I say, um, it was not important than there was. 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: It is important than the is. I think everyonezer has 63 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: always had its finger on the pulse of the black 64 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: and greater community. My barbershop is walking distance from that church. 65 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: A big part of the reason that zone of economic 66 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: opportunity for black people have existed for over a hundred years. 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: I think part of the reason that civil rights and 68 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: solidarity was created right out of the district always sixty 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: years ago, sixty seven years ago, was because black people 70 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: have a place that they could and constant organization. And 71 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Sundays on a plantation or the 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: modern day black church organization happens on Sunday mornings, in 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: the Monday mornings after Sunday service. And I think that 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: the reverend having been started in the community and fostering 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: that church and fathering that church, it gave the community 76 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: a real relationship with him that spread throughout Georgia. So, 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: whether it was his reputation as a hard working student 78 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: from a good family of coming costal features from Savannah, 79 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: or the reputation he built as a minister in Atlanta 80 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: and activists on a constant basis on the behalf of 81 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: people that church was, is and will always be instrumental 82 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: in progress in this country. Yeah, I'm sure you saw 83 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: his victory rally last night and the four words he 84 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: was dying to say, the people have spoken. Michael. What 85 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: was the message that people sent here last night? I 86 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: think I think that the message was Georgia's says that 87 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: you've got six more years to finish the job you started. 88 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: I sat down with him on my show Love and Respect. 89 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: I sat down with him and we got a chance 90 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: to talk about his upbring, We got a chance to 91 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: talk about him as a Christian minister, and we got 92 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: a chance to talk about what was driving minister in 93 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: the politics. Would they be a typical politician or would 94 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: they be like Adam playing power or had judged with 95 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: the wisdom of Andrew Young and like a Solomon lightweight. 96 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: And I was very inspired. I would have heard so 97 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: I encourage people to listen. But I think for me 98 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: Um and my supportive Reverend Ornot, it really was about 99 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: we could send someone who could work on a bipartisan level, 100 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: someone who was not so polarizing that people did not 101 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: want to work with them. We could send someone who 102 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: knew they had been tied to the Withan posts and 103 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: had been scandalized and talk bad about as well. And 104 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: they chose to take the high road and not a 105 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: low road. Instay above the freight and keep on the 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: campaign and keep campaign minded. I saw the example of 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: what I would want my next door neighbors to be. 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: I saw the wisdom for what I would want to 109 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: lead it to be. And I saw someone with truly 110 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: a christ Like vision in terms of making sure that 111 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: everyone has grace in the opportunity and anthony in this country. 112 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: So from your view, I know you spend time with Herschel. 113 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: Where did he go wrong? Well, I don't know where 114 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: he went wrong because the race was so close. Um 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: it really it really surprised me and many others to 116 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: see him pull pull pull, I think ultimately, Um, what 117 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: Herschel taught me politics aside, was if you're an American 118 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: and you're passionate about what you want to see in 119 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: your community, don't wait. Run. And I think that that's 120 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: a lesson. Amidst all the jokes and all the slander 121 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: that got given to both these black men at times. 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: I think that they both are examples for running. Um. 123 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: There's a woman named tesl and Figero who works over 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: at another network, but she came to Atlanta back in 125 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: September and she taught three d people how to organize 126 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: the run for local and state elections. I think that 127 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: we need more of her running around places where my 128 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: community is. I think we need more people like Mr 129 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: Walker and Mr were not to simply run like miss Abrams, 130 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: to simply run like McKim and Williams. Simply run. If 131 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 1: you think you can bring change to the ten people 132 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: to your right and your left, then I dare you. 133 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: I employ you, I push you to be hyper local 134 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: and run. You took some flak for spending time with 135 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: Herschel Walker and with Brian Kemp, for instance, the Republican 136 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: governor of Georgia. How do we get beyond this division? Michael? Well, 137 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: how you get beyond this? You don't argue with trolls 138 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: on Twitter? I learned that left all right, Um, if 139 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: you haven't elected official. My grandmother, this woman on my chains, 140 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: beautiful woman who was from tief Tuskegee, Alabama and organized 141 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: with the s CLC and l a c PM, was 142 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: active in her community, drugged me to city council meetings 143 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: at five years old engage politicians. She agreed, I disagreed 144 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: with taught me that once an election elected officials in office, 145 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 1: they have a duty to you. So I have talked 146 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: to my governor. I've talked to my governor post that, 147 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: and I will talk to my governor again because I'm 148 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: passionate in particular about trades I think that there's four 149 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: million dollars in Georgia that could help restore a trades 150 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: um scholarship that used to be given to kids in 151 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: my community, and beyond that disappeared. I have to talk 152 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: to the governor about that. That same four million dollars 153 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: was pushed by Vincent Ford, who's a Bernie Cratt and 154 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: ultra progressive, has gonna state representative person, has been a 155 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: mayorial candidate I first supported. Then I'm gonna I called 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: Senator Fort like, hey, let's get this restored. I'd be 157 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: a fool not to talk to my current governor about that, 158 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let you know that's one of the 159 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: things we're gonna be talking to the governor about. So 160 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: if you're upset the first time, get prepared to be 161 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: upset again. But let's make sure we're supporting organizations like 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: Georgia Youth Bill, which is an organization I'm getting twenty 163 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollars for that helps young men and women from 164 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty four year old get their g D 165 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: and get trades that pay at union scale. These trades 166 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: can then be taken into the community to help build 167 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: the community up and not tear the community down. So 168 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to continue to take that flag into battle 169 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: on the behalf of my community, no matter who the 170 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: elected officially is. And I suggest that we all do that, 171 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: because once these elected officials are in office, they are 172 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: in control of your life, whether you voted for them 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: or not. I salute you for it. I don't know 174 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: how we get beyond this without all talking with each other. 175 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: A fairly solution. We have to engage in discourse. Thank 176 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: you for saying that owning a barbershop, Um, well, barbershops 177 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: want to stay farm arena, one about a mouth from 178 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: actually poster than that than ever neither on Edgewood and 179 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: another one roads but highway. Only a barbershop gives me 180 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: an opportunity to engage people. I both agree and disagree 181 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: with respectfully in social discourse. In a private way, I 182 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: encourage people to sit with people who you agree and 183 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: don't agree with. Your neighbors, your your coworkers, your friends, 184 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: your comrades. Get in a room of five to ten 185 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: people and have discussions. Don't have arguments, don't try to win, 186 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: don't try to shame or embarrass, but have destuctions about 187 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: This is why I feel like this, This is time 188 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: I gauge many many conservatives, many many people who would 189 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: consider themselves streaming conservative in my d MS, on I 190 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,359 Speaker 1: g and on Twitter, and the discourse is always respectful. 191 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: It's always let me approach from a level of trying 192 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: to understand your methodology. And I would like to do 193 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: that more with everyone, and I encourage other people to 194 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: do it with one another, because no matter what happens 195 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: after any election, we're all Americans and we all have 196 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: the progress this country forward. Well that's some pretty great advice. 197 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Don't try to win. I like that. Try to listen 198 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: maybe a little more often. I know. Congratulations are are 199 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: due to you, Michael. With another round of financing for 200 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: Greenwood Bank. This is an important story as you try 201 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: to bring services to people who are traditionally unbanked and 202 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: underserved by by financial institutions. UH here in Atlanta and 203 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: of course all over the country. Here another round of 204 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: funding means says to me, at least that this is working. 205 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: How important will fintech be in lifting up communities of 206 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: color in this country. I've think every two Malcolm X said, 207 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: by any means necessary, and I'd like to add every 208 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: by any and every means necessary, we should be trying 209 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: because if we all do a little bit, none of 210 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: us have to do a lot. There's still a place 211 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: for brick and mortar banks. There's still a place for 212 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: citizens trust banks. There's still a place for carbon national 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: There's still a place for tons of other um tons 214 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: of other brick and mortar black banks in the fintech world. 215 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: Since sixty five percent of our kids are banking, are 216 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: done on the phone, are done on this, then we 217 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: need to be making sure that we're step ahead of 218 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: the game and not a step behind it. We need 219 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: to be with the wave and not behind the wave 220 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: and not being crushed under it. I think what Ryan 221 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: Glover and and Paul Judge, who's out of the detect 222 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: world and Ryan is out of television and money had 223 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: a brilliant idea that that they made sure had moral grounding, 224 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: with Andy Young and Bo Young being a part of 225 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: it and making sure that it helped poor and work 226 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: for class people of all the ethnicities, not just black 227 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: and Latin X people, poor and working class folks too. 228 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: It would give them an opportunity to bank without having 229 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: to pay enormous feed. That would give them an opportunity 230 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that they can build credit and half 231 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: financial learning, because not only have they created a channel, 232 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: they have essentially centered you can just go to UM 233 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: virtually and learn more. So I just believe in the company. 234 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: Every time someone sends me a card like ten minutes ago, 235 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: like I just got my card, I've already used it, 236 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: things are going well. Or every time I've managed it 237 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: hasn't been a lot. Someone might say, well, this thing 238 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: is all I contact them with our reps, and our 239 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: reps immediately handled it. I think we're bringing something UM 240 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: important to our community. I think we're bringing something important, authentic, 241 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: and I think that it's going to be life changing 242 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: for lots of people. Well, again, I congratulate you for it. 243 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: How how important will black business be? Then, Michael, as 244 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: we look ahead too, and the races that are already 245 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: kicking off now in the next cycle to continuing the 246 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: momentum that Senator Warnock started here in front of Ebony 247 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: as the church. I think black business is import and 248 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: the district that you're standing is it's the old four 249 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: board and that area UM was championed by John Westgobs, 250 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: who was the grandfather of Maynard Jackson, the first black 251 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: mayor of Atlanta, who required of your company be owned 252 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: or operated by African Americans and blacks and minorities UM, 253 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: which rapidally built a black middle class and working class. 254 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: People like Herman Russell and the Russell Foundation that now 255 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: help people learn financial literacy and computer coding. They were 256 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: built in that time. So I think it's ultra important. 257 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: I think that black business is, was and will always 258 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: be important. I like to encourage more people to be 259 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and work with entrepreneurs UM of any coloring race 260 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: and creating bring that back to the community and teach 261 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: and make sure our children are financially literate at a 262 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: younger at a younger at a younger age. UM. I 263 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: think that we have an opportunity in Atlanta to be 264 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: the tip of the sphere that does this throughout the South, 265 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: whether it be Charlotte, Tampa, Birmingham, Louisiana, batt and lou 266 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: Person Louisiana. UM. I think if we do it right, 267 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: it gets done again in a and replicated. I'm perhaps 268 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: to be a part of it. So support black business. 269 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: You ain't got to be black to do it. Killer Mike, 270 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: Michael Santiago render with us here on Bloomberg Sound on 271 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: a conversation you won't hear anywhere else. Will make sure 272 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: we get that online for you so you can have 273 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: a chance to listen to the full interview. Let's play 274 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: this to the panel, our signature panel with us the 275 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: day after. We all got ready for this yesterday the 276 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: big runoff here and here we are the day after. 277 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: Now Jennie Chanzano and Rick Davis joined us our Bloomberg 278 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: Politics contributors. The role that Stacy Abrams played in this outcome, 279 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: Genie is important. She lost her race against Brian Kemp 280 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: for governor. But as we were just discussing there with 281 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Michael Uh, the apparatus, the infrastructure that she built is 282 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: still resonating and had a lot to do with his win. 283 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't and we heard Chuck Schumer saying that and 284 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: and thanking Stacy Abrams for her work, because it does 285 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: take that kind of apparatus, It takes that kind of 286 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: get out the vote machine which takes years to build 287 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: old that she put in place that helped get War 288 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: knock over the line last night. So big kudos to 289 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams. While she lost her own race, she paved 290 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: the way for other people, and we know from talking 291 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: to her she would find that as much as equally 292 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: as important, if not more than her winning her own race. 293 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Herschell Walker Rick did concede. There was some concern that 294 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: he might have been on the phone with Donald Trump 295 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: last night. Of course he wouldn't have been in this 296 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: race or likely the nominee without Trump. He never mentioned 297 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock. How did he do bowing out? Look, he 298 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: bowed out. He recognized the outcome of the election. And 299 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: that's a really good step forward for Republicans in that state. 300 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's surrounded by people with a lot 301 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: of integrity. Uh, The Secretary, State, the governor have all 302 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: made election integrity and and and these kinds of transitions 303 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: an important factor, and and and he was able to 304 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: uphold that tradition uh in Georgia. So good for him 305 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: to do that. Um, you know, whether or not he 306 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: mentions uh, Senator Warnock's name will be an asterisk in history. 307 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: But he did the right thing by conceding. Is his 308 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: political career over Rick. You know, he did really well. 309 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: I think that as uh killer Mike just said, I 310 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: mean he uh, he impressed a lot of people with 311 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: his ability to get votes. Uh. He apported himself, Well, Um, 312 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, look, I mean he he was a first 313 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: time candidate. He he acted like it. I mean, there 314 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: was no Polish but uh, you know, obviously a lot 315 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: of voters liked what they were hearing. And uh and 316 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: and and we're willing to support him, so uh certainly 317 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: that's something he's going to have to think about. And 318 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: uh and and I think that those conversations with people 319 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: like um, the governor to see where he fits or appropriate. 320 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: And so the post mortem begins. And that's when we 321 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: pick it up with our signature panel. Next. What now, 322 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats, This is Bloomberg. It is my honor 323 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: to out of the four most powerful words ever spoken 324 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: in a democracy, the people have spoken about We've had 325 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: a tough journey, have we not. But one of the 326 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: things I said is they when they called the race, 327 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: I said, the normals. Doesn't look like they're gonna add up. 328 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: But one of the things I want to tell all 329 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: of you is you never stopped dreaming. I don't want 330 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: any of you to stop dreaming. I don't want any 331 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: of you just stopped believing. In America fifty one a 332 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: slim majority. That is great, and we are so happy 333 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: about the work that we must do is difficult. The 334 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: issues are not simple, they're complex. But here's my promise 335 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: to you. I will walk with you even as I 336 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: work for you. Continue to believe in the Constitution and believe, 337 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: and I would elected officials most of all, continue to 338 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: pray for them, because all the prayers you get of 339 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: mean those prayers. It's over. I think we can all 340 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: agree on that. And who didn't want an extra four 341 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: weeks because the mid terms were so fun? My god, 342 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: we got everything and a little extra layer of frosting. 343 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: Although the outcome, of course, is another matter here and 344 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: the post mortem, as I mentioned, now begins is some 345 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: gnashing of teeth, ringing of hands in the Republican Party, 346 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: and it all came to a head today in a 347 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: briefing inside the U. S. Senate. Of course, the man 348 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: responsible forgetting Republican senators elected is Rick's got a Florida 349 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: and he had a message today coming off this tough 350 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: loss in Georgia. Here he is, we do have to 351 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: have a message that when when Republicans run, you said, 352 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: you're this is what Republicans are going to get done. 353 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: Every state rate, every race is going to be a 354 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: little bit different. But we've got to have an agenda. 355 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: We've got we've got we've got inflation four year, we've 356 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: got crime, we've got a board open border. We've got 357 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: to we've got to show the American public that we 358 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: have a reason, there's a reason to vote for us, 359 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: and we have to tell them why, why they vote 360 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: for us? Why are we saying this now? Is the question. 361 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: How about four weeks ago, or maybe four months ago, 362 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: we reassembled of handle, Rick Davis and Jeanie Chanzana, We're back. 363 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: What did you make of that? Rick? This is a 364 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: tough one for for Rick Scott here, who's been at 365 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: odds with Mitch McConnell, said he wouldn't get involved in 366 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: the primaries and Donald Trump ran away with a lot 367 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, well, it's pretty obvious he wants to 368 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: uh indicte the message, not the messengers, and in this case, 369 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: uh much of I think the party is looking at 370 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: the fact that we had subpar candidates who even if 371 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: we had the best message all available, I wasn't gonna 372 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: be able to deliver it without a lot of noise 373 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: in the system. Because the reality is, there were plenty 374 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: of television ads about crime, there are plenty of television 375 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: ads about inflation. All that stuff did happen. We didn't 376 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: lack a message. But if if you're distracted in that message, 377 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: you know, by the shenanigans of your former president, or 378 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: or other issues that you decide to delve into that 379 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: are outside the mainstream uh and and and some of 380 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: those being the presidential election, then then then that's on 381 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: you as a candidate. That's on you as your advisors 382 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: who think that somehow that garners some support outside the 383 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: mainstream voters and and those who kept to their message 384 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: and and built bridges back to traditional Republican voters did well. 385 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: Those who uh sort of took the Trump line did poorly. 386 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: Interesting to watch this briefing Genie. Senator Mike Brawn, a 387 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: conservative senator, you would think an ally of Rick Scott. 388 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: That's why they're on stage together. Uh, senator from Indiana. 389 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: Of course, he had some tough words. It sounded to 390 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: me like the man he was sharing the stage with it. 391 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Listen to Braun Canada. Quality does count, and then you 392 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: could never have anything that's gonna resonate generally, if there's 393 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 1: not a clear plan of what you're for, we are 394 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: basically for nothing, and we complain about it along the 395 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: way and then say, well, maybe we'll tell you after 396 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: we're elected. It's not gonna work. Democrats are political enterprisers. 397 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: This place is kind of their growth business and cathedral 398 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: all wrapped into one. We are flat footed and we're 399 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: gonna keep seeing the same results if we don't do 400 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: something different. He said a lot there, Genie. I know 401 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: that as a Democrat you might be rolling in this 402 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: little bit, But what does that say about Rick Scott 403 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: standing right behind him on the stage. Let the autopsies begin. Yeah, 404 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Rick Scott does not want to take any responsibility for 405 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: his role in not challenging in some of these primaries. 406 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: And you know, the the reality is historically this has 407 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: been the best mid term for a president's part since 408 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: four with a couple exceptions, and every one of those 409 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: exceptions thirty four it had to do because the opposition 410 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: party was so darn awful, and in this case, that's 411 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: what happened. And it was all at the hands of 412 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, who was picking these candidates, putting them out there. 413 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: Let's not forget. Senator Kennedy's closing argument for for Walker 414 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: was that you know, you should support him because high 415 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: i Q people are somehow you know, people that you 416 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: don't want to be around and you don't want to 417 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: support and you don't want to lead you. That's quite 418 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: a heck of an endorsement to make for a candidate. 419 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: So Walker was left lapping in the wind. He did better, 420 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: probably than I think many people expected, given how awful 421 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: he was as a candidate and how awful the campaign was. 422 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: And he did so because Donald Trump is toxic in 423 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: the suburbs, and that's where Warnock was able to win. 424 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: And the Republican Party is going to have to take 425 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: control of their primaries, get them out of the hands 426 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump if they hope to nominate candidates who 427 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: can win. I mean imagine if some of the more 428 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: establishment candidates had been running against Warnock, he would have 429 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: had a much tougher race this time. Well, and that's 430 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: the issue here, right Rick. So many Republicans this morning 431 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: are seeing what if they didn't want herschel Walker necessarily 432 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: to begin with, Donald Trump selected him. There was a 433 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: blowout in the primary with that endorsement. If it had 434 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: been another candidate, maybe someone from Georgia, we might be 435 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: having a different conversation right now. That's very true. I mean, 436 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: you think about it. It's not only herschel Walker who 437 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: was sort of chosen to run in Georgia by Donald Trump, 438 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: but uh, David Purdue, you know, was recruited by Donald 439 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: Trump to run uh against Governor Kemp in the primary 440 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: and got slaughtered. Now, if you replace herschel Walker on 441 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: the ballot yesterday with David Purdue, you might have had 442 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: a chance. And it's only because David Perdue had a 443 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: particularly better relationship exactly what Genie is saying with suburban voters. Uh, 444 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: and uh, he isn't so dogmatic on so many of 445 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: these issues, you know when he was an existing United 446 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: States senator. So sure, Well, with that said, what happens 447 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump now Rick in the Republican Party. I 448 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: know that's a big question and probably very difficult to 449 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: give me a conclusive answer, but you know, I keep 450 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: hearing it's an inflection point. We've got to move on. 451 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: John Thune's calling for a spirited primary. How do Republicans 452 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: get Donald Trump out of their system? Then I guess 453 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: we lost Rick. You want to take a swing at 454 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: that gene. Yeah, it seems like it's going to be 455 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: hard for them to quit Donald Trump. And you know 456 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: what movie that comes from Joe Matthew. But you know, listen, 457 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: after twenty he lost the Senate for them in Georgia 458 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: and they embraced him once again. You hope the second 459 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: time around that they will not embrace him, But the 460 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: reality is they might because he has been losing races 461 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: for them eighteen two and this should be the time 462 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: at which they start to move away. The reality is, 463 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: the elites have tried us before, and if they keep 464 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: putting their hand, their their their choice of candidates into 465 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: primaries where voters about to make this decision, then they 466 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: may not be able to quit him so easily. He 467 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: still has a hold on the primary segment of this 468 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: party that they've got to arrest control of him. And 469 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, as Democrats, we are more than happy 470 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: to have him keep choosing Candida. Yeah, I bet that's true. 471 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: You want to take another try there, Rick, I think 472 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: we we had an interruption with your line. The Republican 473 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: Party's relationship with Donald Trump is already complex. Where's it 474 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: going in the next couple of months. It's it's been 475 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: complex for a lot a long time. And I think 476 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is doing a good job of taking himself 477 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: out of the game, take himself out of contentious contention 478 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: as a leader of the Republican Party. Uh And not 479 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: just because of his conduct post January six uh and 480 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: and and and how he's conducted himself in his post presidency, 481 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: but his lack of success in picking candidates everyone gave 482 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: him a lot of swaths within the party to do so. 483 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: And and and look, I think there is going to 484 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: be a reckoning within the party on just how much 485 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna listen to Donald Trump anymore. And you'll see 486 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: these things coming out and fights for the RNC chairmanship 487 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: and and and and that kind of thing. So he's 488 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: much less important than he was six months ago because 489 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: of the poor outcome from his candidates in this election, 490 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: and I think he'll be much less important after the 491 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: start of the year. I would say his presidential ambitions 492 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: are on the rocks right now because nobody is looking 493 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: for this style of leadership within the party right now. 494 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: Ken Griffin called him a three time loser after the 495 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: general election. Genie, I'm assuming he would call him a 496 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: four time loser today following the conviction yesterday on tax 497 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: fer out of the looming cases here, his references provoking 498 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: parts of the Constitution. How could the party let him 499 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: go on? It's hard to imagine how they could. And 500 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: you know now it's started to be difficult to count 501 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: how many losses he has, three, four or five. You 502 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: keep adding them up, um, And the reality is there 503 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: are more lawsuits to come. There are subpoenas out, there 504 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: are criminal referrals being made. He is facing a bevy 505 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: of charges in the legal system up and down the 506 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: East coast of the United States and across the country. 507 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: And yet he is the only declared candidate early as 508 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: he is for the Republican side, So they're gonna have 509 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: to look for alternatives. But the more people they have 510 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: that run, the easier it is for him to get 511 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: that nomination, because that's gonna split the voters, and if 512 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: he can hang on to that thirty percent that he 513 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: seems to have, you know, in his in his clutch, 514 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for them to take that away. 515 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: So I think look for the Republican Party to see 516 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: if they can get some more establishment views, sort of 517 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: impacting the choice of Candida. You know, we've talked about 518 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: the Democratic calendar. One of the reasons Joe Biden wants 519 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: to move to South Carolina is because he likes South Carolina, 520 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: but also because it takes it away from the extremists 521 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party, which has in an issue go 522 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: back to the eighties and and on up for them. 523 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: Of course, South Carolina likes him. Rick and Genie will 524 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: stay with us for the balance of the hour our 525 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: signature panel, and we'll talk next with enric A. Llespie, 526 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: professor of political science at Emory University, with us in 527 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: person since we made tracks to Atlanta, our special edition 528 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: of sound on This is Bloomberg So Long with Joe 529 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Happy Times. If you're Chuck Schumer, 530 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: the Senate majority leader, now for hiding over a bigger majority, 531 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: and today speaking with reporters cast Warnox victory. Senator Warnox 532 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: victory is a repudiation of Donald Trump's movement. Listen, after 533 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: one year, ten months, and seventeen days of the longest 534 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: fifty fifty senate in history, fifty one a slim majority. 535 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: That is great and we are so happy about it. 536 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: First and foremost want to congratulate Rafael Warnock. I spoke 537 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: to him this morning again on running, and he'll be 538 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: up here later today. Um on running. Just a great race. 539 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: It's about running on fumes. So pretty late with Senator 540 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: Rafael Warnock last night, wake up this morning. Is already 541 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: in Washington. Joining us now in Atlanta here on Bloomberg 542 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: is Andrica Llespie, professor of political science at Emory University, 543 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: who we were lucky to have help us understand the 544 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: wind up to this runoff. And it's great to see 545 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: you in person. Thank you for coming in. Thank you 546 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: so your takeaways here other than the fact that you're 547 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: bleary eyed. I suspect, like everyone else somebody's we gotta 548 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: get his kids to bed at this point. Herschel Walker, 549 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, had a pretty quiet day to day compared 550 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: to Rafael Warnock. Yeah, I mean, you know, the stories 551 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: that I hear about people who lose elections are is 552 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: that it's really kind of anticlimactic. I think, um, end 553 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: of it, and then you've got to sit and reflect 554 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: and realize that you've done all this work and you 555 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: won't actually be able to show any fruit from it. 556 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: So um, you know, uh, you know, you know, sadly, 557 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to work through those feelings, and we 558 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: wish him the best as he does the business we 559 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: have chosen. Did he succeed more than you thought? Was 560 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: this closer than you expected in terms of getting the 561 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: rural vote out on the day of the election? Uh? No? Um. 562 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, while I I do credit Walker 563 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: with uh you know, uh stanch ng the sort of 564 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: loss of voters who might not have shown up on 565 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: election day in the rural parts of the state. Uh, 566 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: there was a problem um in and around the suburbs 567 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: here in Atlanta and the ex serbs, and then in 568 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: North Georgia where there are lots of Republican votes, and 569 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: that actually uh could be used as evidence to kind 570 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: of substantiate the concern that people had that Walker was 571 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: not going to appeal to UM, middle class, college educated 572 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: Republican voters. UM. And so that concern, you know, was 573 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, materialized in the general election where we saw 574 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: a Walker get two hundred thousand fewer votes than Brian Kemp. UM. 575 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: It was, you know, it materialized in this election where 576 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: we see uh lower voter turn out UM in some 577 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: of these ex urban and metro counties. UM. And then 578 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: it also reflected itself in the fact that Walker's vote 579 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: share actually shrunk in a lot of these places as well. 580 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: And so that suggested that there were at least a 581 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: small but significant group of voters who voted with their feet. 582 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: They decided not to show up to vote UM because 583 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Herschel Walker and 584 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: it didn't matter because the Democrats were already already going 585 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: to have control of the Senate. UM. Or maybe in 586 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: some cases we'll look at the data later that some 587 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: of them may have voted for Rafael Warnock just because 588 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: they thought he was the better candidate. We have a 589 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: lot to learn still. I realized Warnock won the general 590 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: by thirty seven thousand votes if I remember correctly. We're 591 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: rounding off here. It's closer to thousand this time. Who 592 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: who are those extra people? So some of those voters 593 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: maybe libertarian voters who returned in the election, even though 594 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: some of them could have expressed their by not showing 595 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: up to vote at all. Also, there were people who 596 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: did not vote in the November election who were mobilized 597 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: to turn out to vote in the election. The runoff 598 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: was supposed to prevent that. Wasn't that you were supposed 599 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: to duplicate the same group of people when this idea 600 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: of the concept of the runoff came about, right, Well, yeah, 601 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: but I mean if candidates can decide to leverage the 602 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: fact that there are non voters, and if they go 603 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: and reach out to those voters and cultivate them and 604 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: mobilize them to vote, you can increase their likelihood of 605 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: turning out to vote. So this is a strategy that 606 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: Democrats have used. They used it in one they actually 607 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: had time to register new people to vote, um, just 608 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: because we had nine weeks as opposed to four weeks 609 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: between the election, and so they adopted the part of 610 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: that strategy that they could this time around to find 611 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: new voters so that they could grow that margin. How 612 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: much of this had to do with issues versus personalities. UM. So, 613 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that party matters a lot. So 614 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: for the most part, people voted whatever they're a normal 615 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: partisan identification. Was the difference was that there was a 616 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 1: small fliver of conflicted Republicans who either didn't show up 617 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: to vote UM or voted for Rafael Orno UM. And 618 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: then when you are looking at the shoes, the idea 619 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: of the problems of Walker as a candidate limited his 620 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: opportunities for persuasion, so that you weren't going to have 621 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: Democratic leaning voters who would vote for Herschel Walker because 622 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: you think you would do a better job. On the 623 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: other hand, though, what Warnock tried to do was appeal 624 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: to some of those conflicted Republican voters and say, you 625 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: may not vote for my party most of the time, 626 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: but in this instance, I'm clearly the better man um. 627 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,719 Speaker 1: And so you know, I think the lesson for for 628 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: the Republicans is you don't want to have that type 629 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: of unforced error where you are nominating somebody who's going 630 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: to be that problematic in a general election. So, Andrew, 631 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: what's the status of Georgia. I'm reading headlines and it's funny. 632 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: It's a swing state. Now it's a purple state. Now, 633 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: it's a lot of things, but you actually live here 634 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: and understand it. I realized that this could be the 635 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: beginning of of a greater evolution in Georgia. But are 636 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: we there yet? We're gonna be answering and revisiting this 637 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: question every election cycle, probably for the next decade. But 638 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: what I will see that the trajectory for a swing state. 639 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, do you have to start there to begin with? 640 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: Start where? Start starting this sort of land of the 641 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: unknown that it actually it takes time, not just an election, 642 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: but to your point, maybe a decade to change your 643 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: stripes or or your status on the national political stage. Yeah. 644 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't subscribe to the idea that you're 645 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: going to see one kind of critical election that where 646 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: we see a sea change happening. These things are gradual, 647 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: They take place over time. And so what's happened gradually 648 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia is that, you know, if 649 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: we were having this conversation fifteen years ago, this is 650 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: a decidedly Republican state where Republicans win by double digit margins. 651 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: Even with the strong Republicans showing in this election, they 652 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: weren't winning by those types of double digit margins that 653 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: they were winning fifteen years ago. So in that respect, 654 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: to Georgia is more competitive. And Democrats have figured out 655 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: one how to be competitive, how to get resources to 656 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: the state, how to organize a lot better than they 657 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: were doing fifteen or even ten years ago. Um. And 658 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: they have figured out a formula by which they can 659 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: be very competitive when they're running against problematic Republican candidates. Now, 660 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: I think the big test is what happens when you 661 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: have a normal Democratic candidate and a normal Republican candidate 662 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: running against each other. So, you know, not Donald Trump 663 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: or one of his accolades would would the job have 664 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: been much more difficult for Raphael Warnock. The conventional wisdom 665 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: says yes, if he was running against almost anyone else. Um. 666 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: So I mean it's speculative because we don't have a 667 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: real comparison, but I actually just yeah, no, I mean, 668 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: I just you know, if Gary Black, the second place 669 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: Republican primary finisher, had had been the nominee, He's a 670 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: post candidate, he's an experienced campaigner, he's disciplined, he didn't 671 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: have all these skeletons in his closet, So it seems 672 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: very probable that he could have riveen written the Republican 673 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: wave that got all the other Republicans into statewide office 674 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: in this state. So yeah, I mean, I do think 675 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: that if they had nominated somebody different that well, we'd 676 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: be looking at a different outcome. But we do have 677 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: to account for the fact that Raphael Warnock was the 678 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: incumbent that you know, he had a record to run on. 679 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: So um, I think we would have been looking at 680 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: a closer margin in the race. But I think the 681 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: Republicans would have been in a better position to contend, um, 682 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, had it been one of the other nominets. 683 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: This is fascinating to me. Talk to me then, lastly 684 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: about the Trump factor? Uh, what if you had removed 685 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,479 Speaker 1: him from this cycle? Would the result have been different? There? 686 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: Obviously Republicans in Georgia have a very conflicted relationship with him. Yeah, 687 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Trump factor in this race 688 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: is more of an original sin factor, um than anything else. 689 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: So the issue is Donald Trump pushed to have his 690 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: friend who was not qualified for the job to get nominated. 691 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: Now to be sure, herschel Walker, as a favored native 692 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: son of the state, he had decided to run on 693 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: his own he probably could have won a primary on 694 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: name recognition and popularity. Um, thank you. I wish we 695 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: had more time. It's great to see you. Thank you 696 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: for coming in. Undre Gillespie, Emory University, only here on 697 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: sound On. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. Sound On 698 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It's quite a fact 699 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: the first time in more than a century, more than 700 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: a hundred years, that voters elected senators all senators who 701 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: sought reelection this year one pretty remarkable. Of course, we 702 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: needed to get through last night to know that Senator 703 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock the final incumbent to win his re election. 704 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: And boy, that's why Chuck Schumer sounded so happy today. 705 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, as we get 706 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: some final thoughts with our panel. Rick Davis and g. D. 707 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: Schanzano are with us Bloomberg Politics contributors, as we try 708 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: to connect the dots here between the results, this new Senate, 709 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: this new Senate and policy. I know we have to 710 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: get through a lane duck first here, Rick, but what 711 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: will this extra vote mean, if anything, when it comes 712 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: to actually crafting legislation that might become law? You know 713 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: that it's a good question. Certainly, it's gonna increase the 714 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: balance of Democrats running these committees. Right, They now have 715 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: a one vote margin, and all these committees, uh, the 716 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: obvious Uh, the people who are appointed judges and cabinet 717 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: members and subcabinet members that require confirmation will now probably 718 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: easily get confirmed. Uh. And I would say that the 719 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: Democratic imprint on the budget uh is going to be 720 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: especially strong. So you know, the f ye budget is done, 721 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: but the twenty four budget will be written next year 722 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: and Democrats in the Senate will have a particularly strong 723 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: hand in doing that. Yeah, things like an assault weapons 724 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: band though Genie and expanded child tax credit, the things 725 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: that President Biden has suggested you might come around on 726 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: or even in some cases promised with a salt webs 727 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: come around on again in this new congress. Is anything 728 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: really different when it's just one vote? You know, the 729 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: reality is the Senate is by one vote, so it's 730 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: still very narrow. But the House is Republicans, So I 731 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: think that the President is going to have to temper 732 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: his big ambitions. It does give the Democrats some breathing 733 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: room in an important way, though, the twenty four map 734 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: for the Senate for Democrats is a very tough map. 735 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion is up, Kristen Cinema is up. You know. 736 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: President Biden, campaigning for Warnock, said, you know, if we're 737 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: at fifty fifty, every single senator becomes a president. That 738 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: gives some breathing room to the President and Democrats. Now 739 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: that's why Chuck Schumer is so happy about this. And 740 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: it allows Joe Mansion, maybe Kristen Cinema to vote against 741 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: the party and for the party to still move forward. 742 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: So there are some benefits here, But from a legislative capacity, 743 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: we still have to get things through the House if 744 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, and that's going to be really, really tough, 745 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: and in many cases you've got to break the filibuster. 746 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: They don't have the numbers for that, right. It just 747 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: might be a little wiggle room they didn't have before. 748 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: Pretty interesting to think about what might be ahead for 749 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: herschel Walker here if anything, Rick, I mean, it's gonna 750 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: take a minute, obviously, but he's just gone through something 751 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: in public that will change the way people look at him, 752 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: maybe not for the better, maybe he goes away for good. 753 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: But could you see a world in which herschel Walker 754 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: becomes a political figure outside of a lock could office 755 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: or maybe maybe he runs with Donald Trump. I don't know. 756 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,479 Speaker 1: I ask you that seeing carry Lake has practically moved 757 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: into marral Lago. I mean, what's the next chapter for him? 758 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: I'm not suy to compare herschel Walker to carry Lake, 759 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: but um, but look, herschel Walker is a celebrity. I 760 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: mean part of the criticism that was lobbed on him 761 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: was that, you know, he wasn't a political professional. He 762 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: was just the celebrity. And you know, why would a 763 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: celebrity be qualified to run for public office? But of 764 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: course we always have celebrities running for public office. So 765 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: on his own he will have some cash, a some value, uh, 766 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: whether it's raising money for the party, either in the 767 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 1: state of Georgia or outside, or endorsing potential future presidential candidates. 768 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: Although we think we know where his heart lies. So um, 769 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't think he just disappears. Uh, that'll be totally 770 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: on him. Uh if he does, does he do a 771 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: photo op at some point for the sake of unity 772 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: with Raphael warnaching, he very well might you know, if 773 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: he had given the speech during the campaign that he 774 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: gave last night. He maybe have had more sway in 775 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: the suburbs, but I also think we've we've talked a 776 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: lot about a Walker and how difficult his candidates. He 777 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: was warnuck a historic victory, some people saying a potential 778 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: presidential Canada on the Democratic side going forward. Fascinating and 779 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: great analysis from the panel. Thanks Gennie, thank you Rick. 780 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: We survived another election. And thanks to everyone part of 781 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics, including Killer Mike, including under Gillespie. 782 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: A fascinating visit here to Atlanta. Thanks for sharing it 783 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: with us, and again, subscribe to the podcast. 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