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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, the wife of a money manager

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Speaker 2: sex trafficker suspect Howard Ruben insists her husband is quote

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Speaker 2: a family man who should be freed on bond. I'm

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Yes, love is blind. I

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Speaker 2: guess former financier and depraved sex trafficker suspect millionaire Howard

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Speaker 2: Ruben is actually a loving grandfather and father who should

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Speaker 2: walk free on fifty million dollars bond. And he's got

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Speaker 2: it too, by the way, says his wife in new

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Speaker 2: court documents. If he's such a great fan, family man

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Speaker 2: and you love him so much, why are you estranged?

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Speaker 2: Why weren't you living together in holy matrimony? Mary Henry

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Speaker 2: writes a letter to the court demanding the judge spring

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Speaker 2: her bond trading husband Howard Ruben on a whopper bell

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Speaker 2: package so he can continue quote spending time with his

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Speaker 2: three young grandchildren translation torturing women and his sap dungeon.

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Speaker 1: Oh who said that? Oh? It was me?

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Speaker 2: Has she lost her mind? Or is he paying her

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Speaker 2: to write this letter? That's possible because this is what

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Speaker 2: we know. Poward Ruben, multi millionaire financier.

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Speaker 1: A money manager.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's called a money manager. He manages other

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Speaker 2: people's money, much like Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, who apparently brought in,

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Speaker 2: you know, a couple of million dollars, but somehow I

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Speaker 2: was transferring out five hundred million dollars to overseas accounts,

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Speaker 2: including Russian banks that were on the US watch list.

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Speaker 2: What is it with these money managers? And how does

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Speaker 2: this guy, not Epstein, but Reuben allegedly lure women, educated

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Speaker 2: women into his sex dungeon that he personally had sound proofed. Okay,

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Speaker 2: right there, right there, I need a shrink. Right now,

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Speaker 2: let's go straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining

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Speaker 2: us out of LA She's the author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and find her

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Speaker 2: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Right there, a soundproof dungeon.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when an artisan a worker gets to call

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Speaker 2: from a dude that wants to sound proofed dungeon and

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Speaker 2: you go in there and you see it's a torture chamber,

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Speaker 2: doesn't that like wave a red flag of alarm? What

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Speaker 2: freak wants a sound proof torture dungeon, a freak who

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Speaker 2: has sexual sadism disorder.

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Speaker 3: In other words, somebody who can only get sexually aroused

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Speaker 3: when the victim is humiliated, frightened, or terrified.

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Speaker 2: And Nancy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe this is why he's a financial planner. Maybe he

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Speaker 3: needed to make a lot of money so he could

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Speaker 3: build that dungeon and buy all of that equipment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just take it from the top.

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Speaker 4: Listen to this Wall Street money manager Howard Rubin busted

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Speaker 4: by Feds at his Fairfield Connectic get home for decade

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Speaker 4: long sex trafficking with the help of assistant Jennifer Powers.

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Speaker 4: Howie Rubin accused of luring women into BDSM sex sessions,

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Speaker 4: then torturing and raping them. Ken Jane Doees listed as

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Speaker 4: victims in the indictment, but prosecutors say there are dozens

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Speaker 4: more and are calling for tips.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know. Right now, Straight out to Megan Palin,

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Speaker 2: your journalist from the New York Post who has been

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Speaker 2: all over this. I mean really now, everybody here in

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Speaker 2: the studio is piping up that it only costs five

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to soundproof a dungeon. I don't know where

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Speaker 2: they have that knowledge. But that said, this guy, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't call him just a money manager with you because

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Speaker 2: he's he's worth millions and millions of dollars. I don't

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Speaker 2: mean one or two million dollars, I mean multi millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars. And this has been going on for a

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Speaker 2: long time. Why has it just been uncovered? But let's

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Speaker 2: just start at the beginning. Who is this guy?

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Speaker 1: Howard Ruben.

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Speaker 5: He grew up in Massachusetts. He's got a chemical engineering degree.

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Speaker 5: He was very successful on Wall Street once he moved in,

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Speaker 5: originally as a bond trader and then kind of climbed

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Speaker 5: his way up through the ranks from there and ended

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Speaker 5: up becoming so successful at least financially.

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Speaker 3: And he moved around in.

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Speaker 5: For trophy philanthropic circles. He was well known for donating.

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Speaker 2: Hug the way, put her up, Put her up, Megan Palin,

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Speaker 2: you just said he quote moved around in philanthropic circles.

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Speaker 1: You mean he was a benefactor.

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Speaker 2: He gave a lot of money away, and everybody thinks, oh,

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Speaker 2: Howard Rubens, this great guy that cares about the needy

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Speaker 2: b s. According to police, Megan, he is strapping women

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Speaker 2: to the Holy Cross, you know, and I feel about

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Speaker 2: that and other apparatus, and then electrocuting them in their genitals.

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Speaker 1: With an electric cattle prod.

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Speaker 2: Let's say that's what gets my attention, not his fate philanthropy,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 3: And absolutely it's what he was known for.

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Speaker 5: Prior to while he was obviously hiding or it was

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Speaker 5: a well kept secret in terms of publicly this extremely sadistic, dark,

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Speaker 5: horrid side of himself, which is now. I mean, the

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Speaker 5: claims first came out about ten years ago, so he

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Speaker 5: has been known for these things for some time now.

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Speaker 1: But this is sort of very way wait wait, wait again.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt, but Megan.

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Speaker 2: Did you say that this was this was like an

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Speaker 2: open secret.

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Speaker 5: Everyone knew what was happening ten years ago when their

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Speaker 5: first civil suit was filed in twenty seventeen. Yes, that's

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Speaker 5: when it all first sort of coming here, he started

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Speaker 5: coming undone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first civil suit was over, was about ten years ago, Okay,

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Speaker 2: joining me right now is a renowned criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 2: a veteran trial lawyer, founder of Reuben Law. No relation.

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Speaker 2: I assume Danny Ruben is joining us out of La Danny,

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Speaker 2: before you put on your defense hat and start arguing

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Speaker 2: with me, Ken, I just talked about the duality here,

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Speaker 2: the d of going to these you know, ten thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars a plate, philanthropic events dinners where rich people walk

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Speaker 2: around sniffing of each other, and it's a scene. It's

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Speaker 2: a scene like a nightclub scene, or you know, just

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Speaker 2: any scene. The same people go over and over and over,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad they do, because they do wonderful things

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Speaker 2: for the needy. But the facade that he has created

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Speaker 2: of this benefactor while all the time the word is

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Speaker 2: he's torturing women and a sex dungeon after luring them.

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Speaker 2: There just that duality, you know, you tell that to

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Speaker 2: a jury, it's like putting a nun up for the defense.

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Speaker 2: Of course they're going to a believer.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that the duality is important. I

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Speaker 6: agree with you. On the one hand, it might be

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Speaker 6: a mask to what's going on elsewhere. On the other

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Speaker 6: he might actually care about certain things that he's donating to.

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Speaker 6: But I do want to say that these things are

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Speaker 6: alleged right now, They're they're not a given, they're not proven,

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Speaker 6: and he's innocent soil proven guilty. I think we have

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Speaker 6: a lot more to get into before we can start

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Speaker 6: casting judgment on whether.

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Speaker 2: Did or didn't Reuben. Anybody watching crime stories knows about

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Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence, and as predicted, you only gave

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Speaker 2: the first portion of that charge to the jury, or

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Speaker 2: presumption of innocence, and I believe you will agree with

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Speaker 2: me that the actual charge is that the defendant is

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Speaker 2: presumed innocent. I would like to see him, please, that's

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Speaker 2: not him. The charge is to the jury that the

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Speaker 2: defendant is presumed innocent unless and until the state pierces

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Speaker 2: an overcome that presumption with evidence proving guilt beyond a

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Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. You always seem to kind of leave off

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Speaker 2: the left hat last half of that sentence regarding presumption

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Speaker 2: of innocence.

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Speaker 1: Ruben is presumed innocent.

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Speaker 2: He is innocent tonight unless and until the state pierces

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Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 2: Would you agree that that is the judicial charge.

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Speaker 6: I agree that that's the charge. But all we have

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Speaker 6: right now is the public is the indictment, and whatever's

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Speaker 6: in the civil suit. I personally am looking forward to

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Speaker 6: what transpires in this case. I want to see what

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Speaker 6: heard it. I would like to hear it. I think

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Speaker 6: the public should hear it. And I think as we

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Speaker 6: get closer to trial date than this, if it does

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Speaker 6: ever go to trial, we'll start to hear more and

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Speaker 6: more about the evidence.

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Speaker 2: Danny Rubin another question to you, and again, this is

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Speaker 2: neither defansw er state oriented. It's like a horrible deja vous.

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Speaker 2: It's happening all over again. We just saw this with

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Speaker 2: Sean Combs, we saw it with r. Kelly, we saw

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Speaker 2: it with Epstein over and over and over. Where As

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Speaker 2: you just heard Megan Palin with the New York Post

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Speaker 2: state that there was a civil suit alleging the same

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Speaker 2: things in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Where's the government? Where are they?

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Speaker 2: Why has it taken them seven years to bring this

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Speaker 2: case to a criminal trial.

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Speaker 1: I have a problem with that.

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Speaker 2: What have they been doing?

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Speaker 6: I think what they were waiting for was the trial

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Speaker 6: and I think that Howard testified in that case, both

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Speaker 6: at his deposition and that a trial. They want to

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Speaker 6: make sure that they have a slam dunk case, considering

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Speaker 6: they have an egg on their face from the Ditty case.

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Speaker 6: I know that when we all know that didn't go

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Speaker 6: the way that the Ausa's office wanted it to go.

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Speaker 6: Getting four years in change is not was not the

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Speaker 6: goal of the office. So I think now they're bringing

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Speaker 6: this case and they want to make sure they have

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Speaker 6: an ironclad I can't promise you they do. No one

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Speaker 6: really knows that yet. But again, as more evidence comes out,

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Speaker 6: we'll see how well cooked this case is.

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Speaker 2: Guys, this guy with every advantage still charged with major

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Speaker 2: major offenses, sex offenses and more.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 7: Ruben is accused of luring victims, first in luxury Manhattan

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Speaker 7: hotels and later his eighteen thousand dollars per month penthouse

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Speaker 7: apartment equipped with a soundproof sex dungeon. Women were bound

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Speaker 7: on a bed or across and beaten and electrocuted while

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Speaker 7: they were provided with a safe word. The pleas of

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Speaker 7: those who weren't gagged went ignored, and the torture often

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Speaker 7: continued even when a woman fell on conscious. Ruben allegedly

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Speaker 7: paid the women several thousand dollars afterwards, including for injuries

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Speaker 7: that required medical attention, like a flipped breast implant.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds really painful, a flipped breast implant.

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Speaker 1: It goes so much further than that.

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Speaker 2: Lin Shaw joining me, founder and director of Lynn's Warriors,

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Speaker 2: dedicated to the eradication of sexploitation of women and sex trafficking.

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Speaker 2: And let me remind you it is a non profit.

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Speaker 2: She's certainly not doing it for the money. How is

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Speaker 2: it that these multimillionaires mingle at, for instance, charity functions

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Speaker 2: for ten twenty thousand dollars a plate for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 2: and nobody will call them on their bad behavior. And

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Speaker 2: we see it over and over again. There's Diddy, we

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Speaker 2: pointed out, this is are near with NXVM. There is Epstein,

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Speaker 2: there is are Kelly, there's year in Fogel. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I could just list him off the top of my head,

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Speaker 2: on and on and on rich or famous.

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Speaker 1: People that get away with this.

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Speaker 2: And as in your backyard, Landshaw, what you may have

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Speaker 2: brust ams with this guy.

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Speaker 1: I am living in the devil's playground.

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Speaker 8: This building is around the corner for me, and it

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Speaker 8: has tighter security than Fort Knox did. He was arrested

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Speaker 8: directly across the street. Epstein was a neighbor. I ask you,

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Speaker 8: where has everybody been? What is going on? Who was

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Speaker 8: complicit with this? This Jennifer Powers and this Howard Rubert

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Speaker 1: I mean, who's next.

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Speaker 8: I expect tomorrow another case to pop up in my neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: My case has been going on for years, speaking of

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Speaker 2: What were the fads and the local authority's LA law enforcement?

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Speaker 7: Howard Rubin and his former assistant Jennifer Powers have allegedly

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Speaker 1: For a decade.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to restaurant employees state Oh, here comes Ruben,

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Speaker 2: Here comes horrible Howie, who had always had these beautiful,

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Speaker 1: It ruined their careers.

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Speaker 2: That is when they would be lured into his soundproof

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Speaker 4: Powers oversaw the victim's payments, distributing funds from Ruben and

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Speaker 4: amounts up to ten thousand dollars per session.

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Speaker 2: And NDA non disclosure agreement. You've heard of those. That's

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Speaker 2: where you get someone to sign away you've see in

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Speaker 2: York Post, Meghan, who is Powers?

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Speaker 5: I was started out as Reuben's personal assistant in twenty eleven, and,

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Speaker 5: according to the indictment, quickly became basically.

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Speaker 3: His aid for this alleged trafficking scheme.

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Speaker 2: This guy, Howard Rubin, It's just amazing to me. Too,

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Speaker 2: Danny Rubin, no relation. I hope he had everything going

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Speaker 2: How did he degenerate into this? You know, very often

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Speaker 2: we see criminal defendants that, let's just say, our dope dealers,

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Speaker 2: in juvenile court. This guy was pristine. He had a

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Speaker 1: Ruben.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, honestly, everyone's actions are their own. But

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Speaker 2: Everyone's actions are their own. Please, Reuben, tell me something

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm talking about someone with so much advantage,

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Speaker 2: This is not a five dollars crack kit. This is

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Speaker 2: their face and their breast. That's how that breast implant

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Speaker 6: Well, there are two ways they look at this. The

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Speaker 2: Please let me see him say this. Okay, you are

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Speaker 1: He had the sense to call him, hey.

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Speaker 2: Hey, can you soundproof my sex dungeon so I can

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Speaker 6: Seeing it's possible? I think that we can't rule it

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Speaker 6: what's the issue. There's certainly a divide and certainly something

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Speaker 2: A mental illness to hurt that antisocial Okay, what that's

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Speaker 2: not a mental illness? Anti social is But you're saying

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Speaker 6: It's cool. My point is that maybe I miss misspoke

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Speaker 6: Oh. I just think it's going to be mitigative. I

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Speaker 6: And like I said before, this is entirely adnorable behavior.

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Speaker 1: Crime, stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the Last Days, former financy year and depraved sex

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I have mind, this feel, I've

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Speaker 2: But could you You got to hand it to Ruben

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Speaker 2: All right, he wins a lot of cases. And he

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Speaker 3: Well, he said that Reuben had a site like a

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Speaker 3: It's just a personality disorder. Nancy. Let's make clear Rubin

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Speaker 3: they know that they're different from other people in society,

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00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: so they learn to move and act in a way

437
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: that appears normal so they can compensate for their defects,

438
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: when in fact, this guy had a compulsion that was

439
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: organizing his entire life.

440
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Speaker 2: Bethany, please don't say defect anymore as it relates to

441
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: Howard Rubin, because Dan Danny Ruben will hear that and

442
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: he will run with it, claiming there's some kind of

443
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: mental defeate.

444
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot Ruben.

445
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: I forgot to throw in about him graduate from Harvard.

446
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: Good luck trying to claim mental defect. You know you're

447
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: bringing to mind. Brian Coberger, I hadn't can say his

448
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: name and his attempt to claim he had some kind

449
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: of mental defect because he let's see, there were so

450
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: many things he tried. He tried that he was under

451
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: the spectrum ocd oh. At the end, it was sad

452
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: he was even claiming Danny. He was even claiming that

453
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: he had an eating disorder, as if that's somehow justified

454
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: what he did or it should be a mitigating factor

455
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Speaker 2: in sentencing.

456
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Speaker 1: In the end, it worked out pretty well.

457
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: For him because he had a really weak prosecutor that

458
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: kind of let him off the hook. But Bethany, please,

459
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: I'll say defect again because Ruben of the Danny variety

460
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: will run with it like a dog and a bone.

461
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: Dan Murphy former NYPD detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force,

462
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: former chief security Officer, anchor and star of Gold Seals podcast,

463
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: also author Dan Usually, I agree with you, but I'd

464
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: like to point out that this is right down the

465
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: street from you, and everybody else knew what was going on,

466
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Speaker 2: since there was a civil suit back in twenty seventeen,

467
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: but nobody in LA law enforcement did anything.

468
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 6: Well.

469
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: Was he giving too much to the police fund?

470
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 10: I wish I knew, I wish I knew why no

471
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 10: one did anything. Maybe maybe no one had come forward

472
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 10: and filed a formal complaint other than the civil one.

473
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Speaker 10: And as oddly as that sounds, there's a bureaucratic process

474
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Speaker 10: to filing police reports, to getting investigation started. Perhaps that

475
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 10: was the case. Perhaps someone looked into it and they

476
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 10: decided they needed more. Sometimes these investigations take a long

477
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 10: time to tie this upone, this one up right, You're

478
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 10: going to want to make sure you have credible witnesses.

479
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 10: You're going to want to make sure that you have

480
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 10: corroberative evidence, and you're going to want to make sure

481
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 10: you have somebody somebody flipping and giving this person up.

482
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Speaker 10: I would look to have tape recorded conversations with him

483
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 10: where he discusses this sort of thing. I'd look to

484
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 10: collect texts and emails and anything else I could that

485
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 10: can corroborate the stories being told by these victims. And

486
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 10: maybe that was going on. I don't know, but I

487
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 10: can tell you that the people I worked with the

488
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 10: law enforcement, if we had learned about this, they would

489
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 10: have been a case assistant.

490
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 7: Jennifer Powers would handle the operations, logistics, recruiting and booking

491
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 7: the women's flights, managing payments, restocking his dungeon, and getting

492
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 7: the women to sign NDA's Ruben apparently spending over one

493
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 7: million dollars to fund the enterprise.

494
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Speaker 2: At what point do you look up and say, why

495
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: am I restocking a torture chamber? I really didn't imagine

496
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: as a little girl that I would grow up restocking

497
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: a torture chamber.

498
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Speaker 1: Who is this woman?

499
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: You just heard Dan Murphy from gold Shields podcast, former

500
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: NYPD detective sergeant that Dan Murphy talking about out when

501
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: was the first police report filed? Because cops can't just

502
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: go forward when nobody has made a complaint, even though

503
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: there was a twenty seventeen civil lawsuit laying all of

504
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: this out right now, the fat actually asking for victims

505
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: to come forward, much as they did in the Sean

506
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: Combs case. But I want to get to Jennifer Powers

507
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: because I find it very odd that she went along

508
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: lockstep with all of these crimes.

509
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Speaker 1: According to police listen.

510
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 7: For more than ten years, Powers entire life funded by

511
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 7: financi your boss Howard Ruben down to her iTunes account.

512
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 7: Ruben's funding kicks in in twenty twelve, allowing Powers to

513
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 7: afford a nineteen sixty six convertible Lincoln Continental as a

514
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 7: wedding gift to her husband. The couple takes lavish vacations

515
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 7: in following years when their children are old enough to

516
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 7: attend school, Ruben Bank rules, private educations, and even a

517
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 7: mortgage for a home in the wealthy south Lake suburb

518
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 7: for Powers.

519
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: Holy moly.

520
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, he paid for a lavish wedding convertible Link

521
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: and Continental Vintage, pays for a children's private school, and

522
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: the mortgage for their home and a ritzy suburb in

523
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: South Lake. Okay, you know what. It took criminal investigators

524
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: a long time to finally try and bring this guy down.

525
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: The guess who is about three inches up their tail pipe.

526
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: When criminal prosecutions fail, the taxman does the cleanup Listen.

527
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 9: Despite Powers working part time as a substitute teacher in

528
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 9: carol isd and her DJ husband reporting just forty thousand

529
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 9: dollars in income since twenty eighteen, the family pays off

530
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 9: five hundred thousand dollars in credit card bills, lives in

531
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 9: a home valued at one point seven million dollars. The

532
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 9: children attend private school, and they take luxurious family vacations.

533
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 9: The IRS finds the Powers failed to report nearly nine

534
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 9: million dollars in income received from Howard Ruben, Jennifer Power's

535
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 9: former boss. The couple is charged with tax fraud, for

536
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 9: which neither have made a first appearance.

537
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: Right row, what happened to Megan Palin? I mean, if

538
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: the local authorities LA law enforcement won't lift a finger,

539
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: the tax men will, right, Okay, what is this all about?

540
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 5: Look, they've been living a life of luxury by all

541
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 5: accounts for many years. Social media posts have emerged from

542
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: Jennifer Powers that show them on all of these luxury

543
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 5: holidays all around the world, and they had I think

544
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 5: it was nearly nine million dollars in total given to

545
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 5: them by Ruben. So for her, she's obviously benefited greatly

546
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: from this partnership.

547
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: Guys, this would not be the first time the tax

548
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: man and did the dirty work for law enforcement. I'm

549
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: sorry to say that right to your face. Dan Murphy,

550
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: former NYPD to take to sergeant Joint Terrorism Task Force.

551
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on. I mean, you've

552
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: heard of al Capone, right Murphy, al Capone, the head

553
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: of the mob him and you've probably heard of Wesley Snipes,

554
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: the famous actor MC hammer. Remember the hammer.

555
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: It goes on.

556
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: Willie Nelson, Pete Rose, Martha Stewart, all of them, all

557
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: of them got into a tangle with the taxman Danny Ruben.

558
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: When Ellie won't lift a finger and won't go forward,

559
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: the Irs will and you better run. Like you see

560
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: the grim Reaper outside your living room window, just staring

561
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: at you. Oh yeah, and I'm not talking about hey, hey,

562
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: you have to pay us back. They will put you

563
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: in jail and you will rot in there.

564
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 6: That is one hundred percent right. And let me tell

565
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 6: you it is very clear that I am that anyone

566
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 6: should respect and fear the Irs. Everyone should should report

567
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 6: their taxes as they should. In fact, make sure you

568
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 6: do it right, make sure you do it often. They

569
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 6: are merciless. And many times, as you said before, they

570
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 6: brought down al Capone. When Elliott Ness couldn't bring down

571
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 6: al Capone and they couldn't find anything on them, the

572
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 6: Irs did and they got it for taxi vision and

573
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 6: put them in Algatratz. So it is a very stupid

574
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 6: person who does not respect the Irs.

575
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: Man, I'm telling you, like I said, grim Raper looking

576
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: in your kitchen window. You try to make some coffee

577
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: there they are staring at you. Don't do it, you know,

578
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: I want to get to the phenomena. And I've seen

579
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: it before Danny Rubin, and I'm sure you have two

580
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: where you have a thug in this case Ruben Howard

581
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Ruben aka Horrible Howie. But why would someone go along

582
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: with his crimes? I'm talking about powers? Why would she

583
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: go along with it? I mean she has everything, she's got,

584
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: this husband, this home, these children, for Pete's sake, we

585
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: risked all of that just for money?

586
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 10: Hell no?

587
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: Why?

588
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 6: I mean it's probably a number of things. Again, assuming

589
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 6: everything that complained is true, we're talking about it. Access

590
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 6: to not just money, but a lot of money. Nine

591
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 6: million dollars is a lot of money. And you're hobnaming

592
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 6: with people who are of very high social status and

593
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 6: very high wealth individuals. I mean, you don't just get

594
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 6: that access from anyone, and being part of that world

595
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 6: can change you. Being part of that world gets you

596
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 6: access to things you wouldn't normally get and sometimes if

597
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 6: you're asked to do something distasteful, maybe it's one of

598
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 6: the it's that access which keeps you coming back, and

599
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 6: eventually you become dependent on it. You start going on

600
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 6: let's say, vacations or private school or whatever, and you

601
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 6: start to get those golden handcuffs where now you're roped

602
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 6: in sometimes and as you do things over time, potentially

603
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 6: it doesn't seem as bad as it was yesterday or

604
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 6: the day before, and tomorrow is going to be a

605
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 6: little better. As you get more and more accustomed to it,

606
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 6: it can be wharping to your personality.

607
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall is living high on the hog, having

608
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: all the luxury trips, the beautiful home, they ventage, convertible car,

609
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: the private skills, all that. Is it like an addiction?

610
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: No, I think the money is only a small part

611
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: of it. I think in every organization, usually these kinds

612
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: of criminal enterprises, there is a woman somewhere who is

613
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: willing to abuse other women. Look, we saw it with

614
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: Gilan Maxwell, with the Jeffrey Epstein case. What about the

615
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: FLDS cult where there were women within that organization suppressing

616
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: other women. So I would believe that I would guess

617
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 3: that Jennifer Powers has in her very personality or her

618
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: character the capacity for great cruelty towards other people. Otherwise

619
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: she wouldn't do this. She seems very bright, and like

620
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: she could have made money otherways, get a job, you know,

621
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: for God's sake, but she must feel and take some

622
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: secret satisfaction in women being punished, tortured, electrocuted and then

623
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: texting this guy Ruben back and forth about it. So

624
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: when women act in concert with a man to abuse

625
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: other people, it is always nancy because they are taking

626
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 3: some pleasure and satisfaction from it, beyond the monetary game.

627
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: That's just icing on the cake. But they are sayis themselves.

628
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Speaker 1: Guys, it's not just dumb doing his bidding.

629
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Speaker 2: When you see their text messages back and forth between

630
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Speaker 2: each other.

631
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Speaker 1: It's sick.

632
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: Listen.

633
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 9: In text messages, Ruben shares horrifying details of his exploits

634
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 9: with Powers and casual conversation, Powers asks for details. When

635
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 9: Ruben says he used the cross in his last session,

636
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 9: I can only imagine what you did to her on

637
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 9: that cross. Did you shock her? Ruben responds with a

638
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 9: complaint that his cattle prod isn't as strong as it

639
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 9: used to be.

640
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: Lynshaw, this is the type of conversation that I would

641
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: expect from a pimp talking to another pimp about how

642
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: some of the Johns torture the women or the girls.

643
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: This is a guy in your neighborhood that attends all

644
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: of these glitzy gallas raising money. Yeah, him for the needy,

645
00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: a multi millionaire Harvard grad and his hints person the

646
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: reals abub to his satan. They're laughing about shocking ladies

647
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: genitals with a shot device after forcing her, binding her

648
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: to across.

649
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 8: Listen to what we're talking about, Jennifer Powers, do you

650
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 8: know how disappointing and horrific she is a woman doing

651
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 8: this to other women, all of the cases I can

652
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Speaker 8: think of. I'm sitting here trying to think in my

653
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 8: mind there's now a woman involved. They're doing all the

654
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Speaker 8: dirty work, and this woman is laughing about all of

655
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Speaker 8: this and taking joy. And I agree a thousand percent

656
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Speaker 8: with doctor Bethany. She really nailed it. There's something wrong

657
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 8: with this woman. And my goodness, couldn't she even think

658
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 8: of her children and clean it up and get out

659
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 8: of this or not do it at all. But here's

660
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 8: the thing, this is why we have women who don't

661
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 8: want to come forward. Girls who don't want to come forward.

662
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 8: They see another woman does this, and they're seeing again

663
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 8: that dynamic of power wealth, and they're seeing it wasted

664
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Speaker 8: on this and this is why we can't get them

665
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 8: to come into court to testify. It's falling apart. This

666
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 8: is another case, another example, and again a woman doing

667
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 8: this to another woman. I can't imagine. This is just

668
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 8: not exploitation. This is morally corrupt. This is evil, evil happening.

669
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Speaker 8: And you know what, I'm just going to throw this in.

670
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Speaker 8: A friend of mine in real estate said, there's a

671
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 8: big demand lately. She told me this about three months

672
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 8: ago for these sex dungeons and people's apartments here in

673
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Speaker 8: New York. How horrific is this that people are normalizing

674
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Speaker 8: and becoming habituated to these terrorist acts horrific on women.

675
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Speaker 1: The majority of the victims are women.

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Speaker 2: To Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories Investigative Reporter in

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Speaker 2: other text messages, Sidney Sumner, isn't it true that this

678
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: hint person Powers? Jennifer Powers speaks freely, even in writing,

679
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: in text messages, recorded conversations. For instance, I don't care

680
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: if she screams next to a laughing face emoji, words

681
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: like this will be fun, exclamation, exclamation, another she hates submits,

682
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: she's so desperate, We've got to make her cry stating

683
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Speaker 2: that they will give the victim quote plenty of valuume

684
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Speaker 2: so she can endure more pain. Repeat, We've got to

685
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: make her cry. That's part of the state's evidence, is

686
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 2: it not, Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and not only were these conversations over text message,

688
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 11: but on Ruben's work email discussing what was happening in

689
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 11: that sex dungeon. So these text messages evidence that Ruben

690
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 11: was just so brutal. He enjoyed the women's pain. It

691
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 11: was a horrible situation, and Ruben and Powers are just

692
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 11: talking about it casually over text, laughing about the victim's pain.

693
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Speaker 2: Danny Rubin, The defense has a big problem when these

694
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: text messages come out with the laughing face emoji beside

695
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: their plans. Have you read this indictment? According to the state,

696
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: the defendant, Howard Ruben would conduct sex sessions like say felonies,

697
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: multiple times a week, sometimes on consecutive days, one after

698
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: the next, after the next. Where was the wife did

699
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: she not notice anything weird was happening? It goes on

700
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: and on and on. But when you have your client

701
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: Danny using work email to plan a crime, they're basically, uh,

702
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: let me just say.

703
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Speaker 1: Creek without a paddle.

704
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Speaker 2: They wrote it down Nanny on the work email.

705
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's not a great fact. I think what

706
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 6: they're going to want to focus on is whether or

707
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 6: not the acts were consented to. And I know, I

708
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 6: know how the complaint reads. I know that there's a

709
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 6: civil case. But just because some and part of it is,

710
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 6: they're going to want to introduce the NBA's they're going

711
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 6: to want introduce the fact that there's a presumption of consent.

712
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 6: Of course, you can revoke consent at any time. Many

713
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Speaker 6: of the women and the complaints said that they did.

714
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 6: But they're going to want to show that there was consented,

715
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 6: that it was not revoked, the consent was properly obtained,

716
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 6: and that this this after discussion about what it occurred,

717
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 6: is going to be tangential to.

718
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Speaker 2: The consent crime stories with Nancy Grace. His estranged wife,

719
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: Mary Henry writes, quote, I understand far too well the

720
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: series charges before the court. I can speak from my

721
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: own experience when I say they do not represent the

722
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Speaker 2: Howie Ruben. I saw a caring father, a loving son

723
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Speaker 2: in law, a devoted grandfather known affectionately as Pops. Well

724
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Speaker 2: that's not what the women called him as they were

725
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: bound to a cross and tortured with an electric prod. Oh, sorry, misstatement.

726
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: They couldn't say anything because they were gagged. Women.

727
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: These women, many of them, consented to a date.

728
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: They did not know that they were going to be

729
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: handcuffed to a cross in a dungeon and be shocked

730
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: with a cattle prod all over their body to where

731
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: they were screaming if they could, because many of them

732
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: were gagged. According to court documents, they couldn't even scream.

733
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Speaker 2: They would be passed out, they would be drugged. And says,

734
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: how can you consent to that?

735
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: How can you can sent.

736
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Speaker 2: To a crime?

737
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Speaker 10: You can't in a case like this, These people were

738
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 10: absolutely sold a bill of goods that turned out to

739
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 10: be completely and sadly incorrect. He's a manipulator, he's a liar.

740
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 10: He knows how to get people to do what he

741
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 10: wants them to do. He knows how to keep it secret,

742
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 10: he knows how to pay people off. He knows how

743
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 10: to do all the things we've seen now in the

744
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 10: Ditty case, the Epstein case, and who knows how many

745
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 10: more cases like this out there. Money talks as well

746
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 10: as persuasion, Manipulating people is something these people do very

747
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 10: very well, and in this case they did that, but

748
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 10: it fell apart, as they all do at some point,

749
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 10: it falls apart. Now in this case, these poor women,

750
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 10: they went up there thinking it was going to be

751
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Speaker 10: a date, maybe they were going to make a few

752
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 10: bucks whatever. They had no idea what they were going

753
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 10: getting themselves into. And that is a very very scary thing.

754
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 10: And I can imagine that the wealth and power of

755
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 10: this individual and his world scared them into silence for

756
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 10: a long time. You have a few maoris in this foot.

757
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Speaker 2: I'm not imbursing you.

758
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: It's just that I don't I don't feel comfortable.

759
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 6: I don't have a fight with beautiful preeze.

760
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 7: If I'm not going to do anything, I swear my

761
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 7: children please come in on everything.

762
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Speaker 3: I'm a famous guy, very uncomfortable. He's coming now and

763
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Speaker 3: one minute.

764
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Speaker 6: And if you want to leave when the guy comes.

765
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Speaker 2: In my tree, I please.

766
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just come on. I'm used to that.

767
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Speaker 2: That was another all time a whole that was Harvey Weinstein,

768
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: and he was threatening and coercing Ambra Mattaliana into sex acts,

769
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: unwanted sex acts, and the same techniques were used to

770
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Speaker 2: Meghan Palin joining us from the incredible New York Post. Meghan,

771
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Speaker 2: the defense there and the defense here is that these

772
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 2: women agreed to what was happening and then had second

773
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: thoughts when it was over or it went too far.

774
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Speaker 2: Bottom line, that they essentially consented to the acts. Apparently,

775
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: finally LA law enforcement came out of their trance and

776
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: started investigating this case and it's file charges. They apparently

777
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: disagree with that theory of consent.

778
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's pretty obvious that things change once

779
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 5: they got there, because even after the case, once they'd

780
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 5: left this sex dungeon, there's text messages that have come

781
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: out that show that these women were texting Jennifer Powers

782
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 5: explained that their injuries were so severe to various degrees,

783
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Speaker 5: and she was responding telling them to ice them to

784
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: deal with them in other such ways. These were all

785
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 5: sort of like it appears to be part of the

786
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 5: management at the aftermath of things that they certainly weren't

787
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: expecting to get out of it. When they entered this apartment, which,

788
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 5: by the way, I know you mentioned earlier that you'd

789
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 5: wondered where his.

790
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Speaker 6: Wife had been.

791
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Speaker 5: This penthouse was not his residential property. It was least

792
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 5: eighteen thousand dollars a month, specifically for these sexual escapades

793
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 5: that he was having there.

794
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Speaker 2: Megan, I'm curious you're describing how powers the catch person,

795
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: the secretary, as you said, managed the victims. What were

796
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: there injuries that we know of?

797
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the most severe one that we've heard

798
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 5: of so far was the breast implant that was flipped

799
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 5: upside down because she'd been beaten so hard by Reuben

800
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 5: with a closed fist that it had physically switched sides

801
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 5: within her body and then later required surgery. Others were

802
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 5: talking about bruising and pain to their bodies and whatnot.

803
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 5: The full extent of the injuries we haven't heard yet.

804
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 5: I guess it's all going to come out at some stage,

805
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 5: but they were severed from the details that we have

806
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 5: heard so far, particularly the breasting plan.

807
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: To doctor Bethony Marshall, I know you just heard our

808
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: friend Megan Palin from the New York Post to be

809
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: a lady in her breasts so violently it flips the implant.

810
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: Just how does anyone derive pleasure out of that?

811
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Speaker 3: Nancy? This is what we call a perversion, and specifically

812
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 3: this is sexual sadism, where watching the humiliation, the suffering,

813
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: and the fear of the victim causes the perpetrator to

814
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: become sexually aroused. Now, what's interesting is that men with

815
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: sexual sadism, they have a very hard time becoming aroused

816
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: in normal ways with normal women out in the world.

817
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: So if they were having lunch date or in a

818
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: business meeting or something where there where it's an equal

819
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 3: playing field with other women, this guy would have lost

820
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: interest in those women. He can't deal with real people

821
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Speaker 3: with thoughts, feelings, and emotions of their own. But there

822
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: is some theory that when that aggression and sexuality is

823
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: processed through the same part of the brain, and in

824
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Speaker 3: brain scans with these kinds of perpetrators, the amygdala lights up.

825
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: The aggression center of the brain, the part of the

826
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: brain that's responsible for sexual pleasure, also lights up. So

827
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Speaker 3: these two things are kind of fused and confused. Aggression arousal,

828
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: those two things go together in this disorder. And also

829
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Speaker 3: it's a compulsion. People with compulsions, as I said earlier,

830
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Speaker 3: they organize their entire life around the compulsion. So everything

831
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Speaker 3: you look at that he did, even getting married and

832
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: having children, that might have just been a way to

833
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Speaker 3: cover up his sexual deviancy so he could pass as

834
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Speaker 3: normal in society.

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Speaker 2: Danny Ruben veterans try a lawyer out of LA. I

836
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: got a question for you. It's a personal question. When

837
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: you're representing people such as Howard Ruben and you're sitting

838
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: there beside them, do you ever get totally disgusted, totally

839
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: schethed out and just want to, like, right now, even

840
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: talking about this, I just want to get it, run

841
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: out of the studio, screaming as if I'd seen a monster.

842
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: It's just.

843
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: How do you do it?

844
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 2: How do you quell those thoughts that aversion and keep

845
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: a straight face and keep doing it because that's your

846
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: duty as a defense lawyer, to the utmost of your

847
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: ability to save your client. How do you deal with that?

848
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Speaker 6: I look at all the facts, the first and foremost.

849
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 6: I don't judge clients as to what happened. That's obviously

850
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 6: if you if you have to do that, and you

851
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 6: do that, you have no busines as being a defense attorney.

852
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 6: The fact is, I look at the facts, the documents,

853
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 6: look what they say, and I look at what the

854
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 6: testimony shows, and I want to determine what, if anything,

855
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 6: our defenses are, and then what the prosecution has to prove.

856
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 6: It's the prosecution's job to get in there and make

857
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 6: their case. And if they can make their case, my

858
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 6: job is exceedingly difficult. That's true, And again it's up

859
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 6: to them. When I sit next to a client and

860
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 6: the client is accused of this, I look at it

861
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 6: just like that. He is accused. He is not guilty.

862
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 6: He has not done these things until a jury of

863
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 6: our peers says that he has. And it is my

864
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 6: job to take a look at that evidence, to present

865
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Speaker 6: the evidence to the jury, and the jury can make

866
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 6: the decision based on the evidence that they have.

867
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Speaker 2: The estranged wife of financier Howard Ruben quote, he would

868
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: never abandon his family. He has always placed him at

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Speaker 2: the center of his life, as they remain his greatest

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Speaker 2: source of strength, she writes to federal Judge Brian Coogan.

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Speaker 2: He would never abandon his family. Oh, well, where was

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Speaker 2: he all those nights he was torturing women in his

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Speaker 2: soundproof sex dungeon. He wasn't at home making tomato soup

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Speaker 2: and cheese sandwiches. He always placed him at the center

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Speaker 2: of his life. No, he didn't he spent hours and

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Speaker 2: hours and hours a week planning and arranging torture sessions.

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Speaker 2: Federal prosecutors accuse Reuben of alluring dozens That means at

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Speaker 2: least twenty four women to his sound proof sex dungeon,

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Speaker 2: where he tied them up, gagged them, beat them, and

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Speaker 2: electrocuted them. But now his wife insists he's really misunderstood.

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Speaker 2: He's just a family man. Okay, that's bs. Either love

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Speaker 2: is blind or money has blinded her.

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Speaker 3: We wait as justice.

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Speaker 1: Good Bye