1 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: What is up? Welcome to another edition of the NFL 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Show, presented by Caesar's Rewards. It's me your man, 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: MG Marcus Grant, masking and socially distancing when and where necessary, 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: and we have pretty much reached the end of our 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: positional breakdowns. I mean, yeah, maybe I feel a little 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: bit saucy, and maybe we talked talk some kickers or 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: maybe some defenses, but when it comes to the big 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: four positions, we will wrap that up today as we 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: talk about tight ends. Michael Florio will join us in 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: just a bit to chat through that. 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Murphy Esquire Murphy, 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: is there an update on the air condition of Saga 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: where you are. I think you can tell for those 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: watching me, wearing a tank tip means there's not been 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: an update. Everyone does open. I have the sun shining in. 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: It's quite hot, so we're in this tight eye tank 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: tip here. But you know what, I'm becoming a more. 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm learning more about my neighborhood because I I hear 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: everything at night now with the windows open, I'm like 29 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: spying on people's apartments from here. I see who has 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: like the nice outdoor balcony grill set up as I 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: sit in here sweating. But yeah, I've bothered everyone in 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: my complex. And hopefully by next week we have some 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: sort of resolution for a Labor Day weekend, so we'll see. 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not laugh on. I can't wait for 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: you to start in the reboot of Rear Window, like 36 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: everything's getting rebooted in Hollywood. Like you can like be 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy Stewart and you can just sit there with binoculars 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: and and you know, think you see something sinister going on? 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: Would be great. That is so perfect because it's distracting 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: and I have a you know a ton of work 41 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: here every single day here for ever the NFL, and 42 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: yet I found myself just like staring to see what 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: people are doing. I'm snooping on them. But I gotta stop, 44 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: I gotta close the blinds. Um, well, stay cool, stay hydrated, 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: and that hopefully you get that sold sooner rather than later. 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: All right, let's let's bring in Michael Floria. I mean, 47 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: we're hoping to make this a regular thing. He is 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: our researcher extraordinaire, also joining the Fantasy crew at least 49 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: on a part time basis, and that he has been 50 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: here a couple of times this off season. Florio, welcome back, 51 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: and I guess, I guess, welcome to the show because 52 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: this is gonna be kind of your slot at least 53 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: once a week with us. I'm glad to have you here, man, 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: glad to be here. Marcus uh, you are one of 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: my favorite people to talk to in general, and then 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: fantasy football is one of my favorite topics to talk 57 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: about in general. So just super excited to get any 58 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: time I get to come on this podcast. Well, this 59 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: seems to be working out. This is already a great start. Um. 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Let's start with some news and notes from around the league. 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: Things that have happened over the last few days. Yesterday, 62 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: one of the bigger stories on the field in the 63 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: NFL was David Montgomery going down with a groin injury. 64 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: At the time, the Bears weren't sure how serious it is. Now, 65 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: according to a recent report from Ian Rappaport, the thing 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: just popped up just before we started recording this show. Uh, 67 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: it looks like it may not be super serious. The 68 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: Bears are expecting him to be out two to four weeks. 69 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: That means he does have a chance to play in 70 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: the season opener against the Detroit Lions. So with that information, Florida, 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: does this change how you feel about David Montgomery? Are 72 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: you hire on Tarik Cohen? Are you even maybe considering 73 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: Ryan Noll at some point? I don't think I'm gonna 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: be considering Ryan Noll too much. Maybe if it was 75 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: an extended accents for David Montgomery. But I think my 76 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: opinion on David Montgomery is going to differ from others 77 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: because I was completely avoiding him before this injury. I 78 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: just thought that his upside was completely capped because Tariko 79 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: when last year had a hundred and four targets to 80 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: David Montgomery's thirty five and in PPR leagues, a target 81 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: is almost three times as valuable as a carry. So 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: I was viewing David Montgomery as a safe floor but 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: very low ceiling type of players. So I had him 84 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: ranked as an RB three in my rankings, and you 85 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: had to pay like an RB two price again him. 86 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: So I do not have him anywhere at all. But 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: now if we see him fall and he's gonna consistently 88 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: start going maybe as an RB three, even maybe a 89 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: late already, then I may be more inclined to buy in. 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people now who were 91 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: kind of on David Montgomery you're gonna be maybe be 92 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: a little scared to still draft him. But I'm viewing 93 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: it as if we could get him even cheaper now, 94 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: then it might be worth it and it may become 95 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: a buying opportunity. Yeah, I think that's a that's a 96 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: key point right there, because I'm sort of with you. 97 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: I have been out on David Montgomery this whole time, 98 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: just sort of watching him last year, and I am 99 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm big enough to admit that's of my 100 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: feelings have to do with the fact that I really 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: pushed for him last season and he was just he 102 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: was fine, He wasn't great. He wasn't certainly what I 103 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: hoped he would be. Uh, And I watched him and 104 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: I really felt like, even if he hasn't hit his 105 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: ceiling yet, he's not far from it. And I think 106 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: the Tariko and point is a valid one because we 107 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: know he is going to get a ton of targets 108 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: in that offense. So that certainly means that Montgomery has 109 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: to be a lot better running the football. I don't know. 110 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: Maybe the five pounds that he has lost in the 111 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: offseason will have something to do with it. He says 112 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: he got faster, But I'm sort of with you that 113 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm not all that excited about it. But you know, 114 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: I always say that no player or that every player 115 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: has value if you get him in the right spot. 116 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: So maybe if Montgomery falls, maybe I'll reconsider my stance there. Uh. 117 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: In l A Chargers receiver Mike Williams could miss two 118 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: to four weeks with a shoulder injury. Anthony Lynn kind 119 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: of said the other day that it looks like he 120 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: could be out for a little while for now. This 121 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: is a dude that I sort of liked later in draft, 122 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: and he was going fairly late and I liked the 123 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: upside because of that. Maybe this ends up being sort 124 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: of a silver lining. Maybe he falls even more, he 125 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: becomes an even better value because it doesn't seem like 126 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: he's going to miss an extended amount of time. There's 127 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: gotta still be some upside there. With Mike Williams, yeah, 128 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's a really good fit with 129 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor because Tyrod is the opposite of Philip Rivers. 130 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: Like Rivers is not mobile at all and like to 131 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: get the ball out of his hands quickly, and Mike 132 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: Williams strength is being a down the field receiver. So 133 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: an older, immobile quarterback with declining arm strength, Yeah, he's 134 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: not going to be able to get the most out 135 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: of Mike Williams. But Tyrod Taylor I think could because 136 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: when we saw Tyrod and Buffalo, he liked to extend 137 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: plays with his legs and then heaved the ball downfield 138 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: like he never had a target post like like a 139 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: receiver post huge reception numbers, But we did see when 140 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: he had a healthy Sammy Watkins that he was a 141 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: very good fantasy asset because the receptions that he was getting, 142 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: we're getting huge chunks of yardage to down the field 143 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: and often, you know, sometimes long touchdowns. So I'm with you, Marcus, 144 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: I think there is upside to Mike Williams. I think 145 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Tyrod is a good fit for him. My only concern 146 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: outside of the shoulder because like a lot like Montgomery, 147 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: if the shoulder leads to his ADP getting even lower 148 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: than I think, it's even less risk to take. With 149 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: Mike Williams. My only concern though, is is he going 150 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: to be consistent every week? Because there's a lot of 151 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: other weapons around him too, with Keenan, Allen Hunter, Henry 152 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler. So I just worry if the targets are 153 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: going to be consistent each week. You know. I started 154 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: to come around a little bit on the Charger offense 155 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: earlier this offseason. I was just kind of concerned. It 156 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: just seemed like there was some uncertainty. It feels like 157 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Tyrod is going to start at the beginning of the season. 158 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: Maybe Justin Herbert takes over at some point, but it 159 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: looks like for the time being, this is Tyrod's job. 160 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: Does that give you a certain level of confidence about 161 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: some of those other weapons there? Yeah, I so this 162 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: is one of those offenses like I love Austin Ekeler 163 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: and he is in the first, late first, early second round, 164 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: like he is a running back that I'm heavily targeting. 165 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: But outside of that, I have concerns about this offense. 166 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: I like Tyrod Taylor as a player, but I don't 167 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: know if his skill set fits Keenan Allen skill set. 168 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: Where Keenan Allen needs to get the ball quickly, you 169 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: rely more on precision passing with him rather than just 170 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: throw it up and let him. Like Mike Williams, you 171 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: could just throw up and let him do his thing. 172 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna more than likely come down with that ball. 173 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: But Keenan Allen, I think is a little bit more. Uh. 174 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: You need to be quick and get the ball to 175 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: him while after he creates that separation. So this is 176 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: one of those offenses that I really like Austin Ekeler 177 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: and then after that Mike Williams late I have no 178 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: problem with, But like Keenan Allen, at as high as 179 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: he's going, I really don't have any shares of him 180 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I think it's in between Keenan Allen. 181 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: I've been so so on Hunter Henry, I've been pretty 182 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: much out on but I think you're right. Eckler at 183 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: the top, Williams sort of near the end. Those seem 184 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: like some pretty good options there for the Chargers in Indianapolis. 185 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: Pair Campbell isn't concussion protocol after being involved in a 186 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: car crash. I'm not sure how long he's going to 187 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: be out at he goes through the protocol. I know 188 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: there are some people who were sort of big on 189 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell. Had Derek Brown from Faith to Noise on 190 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago he talked about how 191 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: much he loved Paris Campbell this season with him out, 192 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about him. Does this 193 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: change your thoughts on Campbell? Does this? Does this give 194 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: you some more love for Michael Pittman in that Colt offense? Yeah? First, 195 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: Debro is awesome, and I know he's driving the Paris 196 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: Campbell hype train. He really starting to get me on 197 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: board with it, and then this happened up. I have 198 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: both Campbell and Pittman as like low end wide receiver 199 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: four high end wide receiver fives because I think both 200 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: of them are very similar, like they have I think 201 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot of upside if if they can become that 202 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: second target behind t Y Hilton, but I can't say 203 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: with any confidence that it's gonna be either one of 204 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: those two or Jack Doyle because new quarterback in this offense. 205 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: So I what I do like about Paris Campbell is 206 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: he's a freak athlete rand of four three one at 207 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: last year's combined, and we were expecting him to line 208 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: up in the slot, which I think bodes well with 209 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback like Philip Rivers, who does like to throw 210 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: the slot of good amount, doesn't throw the ball downfield 211 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: as much as he used to anymore. But to me, 212 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: both of those two are kind of we don't know 213 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: exactly what we're going to get out of them, but 214 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: I think they have high enough upside to warrant taking 215 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, in round ten or later. Yeah, I know, 216 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: I have drafted Michael Pittman in a lot of spots. 217 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: I love just watching him. I mean, I saw him 218 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: succeed with just a myriad of less than stellar quarterbacks 219 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: over his final couple of seasons at USC, and I 220 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: feel like going to Indianapolis and having at least a 221 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: veteran guy like Philip Rivers potentially helps him out quite 222 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: a bit. So, I mean, I think he's got some 223 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: late round upside, and especially look in a year where 224 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: there are so many receiver options for you to draft, 225 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't mind taking a swing at him knowing that 226 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some other depth on my roster. If 227 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Pittman ends up popping this year for the Colts, and 228 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: I feel great about it because I have another option 229 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: I can put in the starting lineup if it doesn't. Again, 230 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I spent a lot of draft 231 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: capital on him, so I believe. I mean, maybe I'm 232 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: a little bit of a homer. I'm fine with that, 233 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: but I do think there's some reason to think that 234 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: Michael Pittman could end up being productive this year. Last 235 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: bit of news. Let's go to the Meetropolitans, because there's 236 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: always a show there in Flora Park. Uh Levan bell 237 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: practice a little bit early a couple of days ago. 238 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: The team says they removed him from practice because of 239 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: a precaution because of a hamstring injury. Lev who is 240 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: never known to be silent on social media, tweeted that 241 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: he had no hamstring injury. He was upset because he 242 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to practice. He wanted to be out there 243 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: on the practice field, So it has become another tete, 244 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: a tete between love Bell and Adam Gaze. What is 245 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: happening here for you? What is going on is there? 246 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: Do you believe one side over the other there? I 247 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: have no idea how to take this, Yeah, I I 248 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: don't either. To me, this is just another sign of 249 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: like stay away from this situation altogether, like Marcus we 250 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: we said it the last time I was on about 251 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Leonard for Nette, right, like if a team doesn't want 252 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: their running back, why should you want them on your 253 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: fantasy team? What has Adam Gaze shown us at all? 254 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: That that he backs Levan Bell and believes that Levy 255 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: on Bell is gonna be, you know, a workhorse to 256 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: breakout running back like type this year. And I just 257 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on here. And to me, 258 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: in that article, the bigger part of it that I 259 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: think is because yeah, that the big part is he 260 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: he got pulled from practice, but it said before that 261 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: he was splitting reps with Frank Gore. So that is 262 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: concerning to me because we've already seen Adam Gaze ruined 263 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: one fantasy season Kenyan Drake two years ago in Miami 264 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: by just using Frank Gore more than him, So I 265 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: have concerns with that with Levan Bell. And then I 266 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: don't really see his upside either. Like last year, I 267 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: know everything went wrong for the Jets, but he never 268 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: finishes the top five Fantasy back. He didn't have a 269 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: run of twenty yards last year. Now we know all 270 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: the considered wear and terry he had on that tires, 271 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: he's getting up there in age. To me, this is 272 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: just a complete a void for fantasy. I feel like 273 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake, Devin Singletary and now Leve Bell should form 274 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: a support group of guys who have seen their upside 275 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: capped by Frank Gore. Uh linked career Frank Gore. On 276 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: top of that, I just keep sort of hoping that 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: the fallout gets so bad that the Jets decide to 278 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: trade Levian Bell somewhere, because I still think there is 279 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: something left in the tank. I still think he can 280 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: be productive. I just don't think that's going to happen 281 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: in New York, where he has a head coach who 282 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: just very clearly doesn't want him around and has really 283 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: made no bones to hide it. So I want Leve 284 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: to come back into our fantasy lives. I just don't 285 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: think it's going to happen with the Jets. I said 286 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: that to Dan Hansis on the A T and Fantasy Extravaganza, 287 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: and you know, he grudgingly sort of agreed. I mean, 288 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: I guess when you're a Jets fan, you sort of 289 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: know how these things work. Pittsburgh can use a running back. Yeah, 290 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: you know, I love I would love I would love that. 291 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: I think I said a few weeks ago, it would 292 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: be great if somehow they traded Leve to Pittsburgh and 293 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: then Antonio Brown decided he was going to be coming 294 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: upstanding citizen and then like they would all make up 295 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: and would get the Killer Bees back together for one 296 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: last run in in Pittsburgh. Will be great. I would 297 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: be a percent on board with that. That'd be fun. 298 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: Even if it didn't work out. It would be fun 299 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: every week. It would be so much fun every single week. 300 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk some tight ends. Over the last few years, 301 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: we keep hoping that the position will add some more depth. 302 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: We always say this in August and September, the tight 303 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: end is gonna be deep this year, and then we 304 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: get to October November and we're scrounging to try to 305 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: find some guys off the waiver wire that we can stream, 306 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: but we're going to try and unwraple the position nonetheless here. 307 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: So let's start just with the basics. What has been 308 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: your tight end draft strategy so far this season? My 309 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: strategy a lot to what your point is markets Like, 310 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: we always say it's deeper, but then it never ends 311 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: up being deeper. So if I'm in the middle of 312 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: the first round and it comes back to me in 313 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: the second round and like my top twelve or thirteen 314 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: running backs through off the board, I will pivot and 315 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: take George Kittle there. And if I miss out on 316 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: George Kittle, then I usually wait until like the seventh 317 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: eighth round, and I try to grab a tight end 318 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: that I think has the upside to make that next 319 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: step into like the Mark Andrew zach Ertz tier, which 320 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: I think are like Tyler Higbee, Evan Ingram hayden Hurst. 321 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: And if I miss out on those guys, or even 322 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: if I get one of them, I like to pair 323 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: it with another higher upside tight end that goes later on, 324 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, like the Micasecki no offense and that tier 325 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: tight ends. Yeah, I I have been sort of with 326 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: you in the sense that I will try to go 327 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: early and get one of those top guys at Kelsey 328 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: or a Kiddle what have you. If I don't get them, 329 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: then I tend to be waiting until later. I will 330 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: wait until maybe the double digit rounds to try to 331 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: get some of those upside guys. We'll talk about a 332 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: few of them a little bit later on, but you 333 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: know the John who Smiths to Blake Jarwin's what have you. 334 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: I feel like if I wait till later and they 335 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: don't pan out, then I end up streaming tight ends. 336 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Which is fine. If I've missed in the middle rounds 337 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: and I end up streaming tight ends, and I think 338 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: I end up kicking myself because of some of the 339 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: other guys I missed out on that I probably could 340 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: have had on my roster. So I've either gone early 341 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: or I've gone late. When I've gone in between, I 342 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: just haven't felt particularly excited about my options. So because 343 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: of that, and you sort of tipped your hand a 344 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: little bit, my next question was going to be who 345 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: do you think will be the tight end one overall? 346 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: Will it be Travis Kelsey, Will it be George Kittle? 347 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: I said, I feel like you tipped your hand, But 348 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: I would love to get your explanation. Yeah, I did 349 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: tip my hand a little bit, even though I take 350 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: kiddles so much in the second round because Kelsey usually 351 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: goes before him. But for me, Kittle is my tight 352 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: end one. Uh. And last year, I know Kelsey finished 353 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: as the tight end one in fantasy, but they both 354 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: averaged fifteen W eight nine Fantasy points per game. It 355 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: was just Kiddle miss some time. Uh. And to me, 356 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: the reason why I have bumped Kittle ahead of Kelsey 357 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: now is because in Kansas City, there's a lot of 358 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: other weapons around Travis Kelsey. There's Tyreek Hill, There's Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, 359 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, Mikole Hardman. There's a lot of mouths to feed, 360 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: Whereas in San Francisco there's George Kittle and who else 361 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: like Brandon and a Yuk I understand is a high 362 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: upside rookie, but he's stilly rookie. And then there's a 363 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: lot of unproven talent with that receiver group, but there's 364 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: no one I think that can even compete to be 365 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: the top target with George Kittle there. And I think 366 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: if George Kittle can ever, you know, get more than 367 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: five touchdowns, and I think he has that ability. Uh, 368 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: and I think this could be the year that he 369 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: finally gets that positive touchdown regression. He's younger too than 370 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: than Kelsey, so I worry a little bit less with that. 371 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: I just to me, you're splitting hairs between these two 372 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: because I think they are both super elite head and 373 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: shoulders above everyone else at their position. Should both be 374 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: second round pick, But because of the less weapons around him, 375 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with George Kittle as my tight end one. Yeah, 376 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: that wide receiver situation in San Francisco is kind of 377 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: a mess. I mean you mentioned I Who's he's got 378 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: a hamstring injury right now, Demo Samuel still working his 379 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: way back. Jalen Heard looks like he's going to be 380 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: gone for the year. Uh, it is sort of a mess. 381 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they keep trying to hype up Dante Pettis 382 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: or Kindrick Bourne, or Trent Taylor. Even Tavon Austin has 383 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: signed with the forty niners, but it's not a group 384 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: that gets you all excited. I thought, even before all 385 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: these injury issues, that George Kittle was set to sort 386 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: of surpass Travis Kelsey as the tight end one. I 387 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: think now because the Niners are so shorthanded in the 388 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 1: passing game, I think it's almost a certainty. We know 389 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: that he and Jimmy Garoppolo certainly have a great rapport 390 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: with one another. Uh you know, I guess if you 391 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: judge by by Twitter accounts, they seem to give each 392 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: other a hard time on Twitter all the time. So 393 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: maybe that maybe that counts for something and then gets 394 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: your fantasy points. But maybe it means that they are 395 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: working well together. But I do think that this is 396 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: going to be the year we see George Kittle sort 397 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: of take the throne as the top tight end in 398 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: the fantasy game. But the next question then is we 399 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: talk about those two guys and we certainly have them 400 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: easily into her one. Are we sort of overlooking Mark 401 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: Andrews as a dark horse to be that tight and 402 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: one considering what he did last year and this thought 403 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: that the Ravens might throw the football more in I 404 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: don't think so. I think Mark Andrews deserves to be 405 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: the tight end three, going a little bit after those 406 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: top two. Like Kelsey has just completely like the last 407 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: four years, his four year stretch can go up against 408 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: any fantasy tight end. Ever, it's been that good, that consistent. 409 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: George Kittle has been doing this now for a couple 410 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: of years. Mark Andrews was awesome last year, but he's 411 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: still only averaged thirteen point eight one Fantasy points per game, 412 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: which is two less per game than both his Kittle 413 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: and Kelsey. So he wasn't quite as good as those 414 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: two last year. He doesn't have as long as the 415 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: track record as those two. I think his upside is 416 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: really high. But until we see him do it again 417 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: this year, if he puts together another campaign this year 418 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: like last year, then I think we could say, all right, 419 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: he's proven that that he belongs in that high tier 420 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: one with these other two tight ends. But for right now, 421 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: I think he belongs in the tier two, uh right 422 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: behind those other two guys. You know, I do think 423 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: my my only concern with Mark Andrews, and this is 424 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: more this has nothing to do with him and everything 425 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: to do with sort of the fantasy community around him, 426 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: is that last year he part of the reason he 427 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: was so great was because you were able to get 428 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: him at a really great draft price, similar to Lamar Jackson. 429 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: Now the draft price has gone up significantly for both 430 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: of those guys, and so you really do need for 431 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: Mark Andrews to sort of return as that tight end 432 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: three or four to that kind of make you feel 433 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: like you got requisite value for the draft pick you spent. 434 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: The other tight end that usually gets thrown into this 435 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: conversation is zach Ertz, and I feel like a lot 436 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: of people have mixed feelings on him. I am not 437 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: super excited. It doesn't help me when Dallas Goddard says 438 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: We're going to be a nightmare for defensive coordinators, because 439 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: that just means that, hey, that's great for Carson Wentz 440 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: and he's got a lot of targets to throw the 441 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: football too. That seems to be bad news for zach Ertz. 442 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: And is it possible, Mike, that maybe he falls out 443 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: of sort of this top elite tier of of tight 444 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: ends at the end of the year. It's definitely possible. 445 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: I have him fourth amongst these four. But for me, 446 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: I have no like I've seen him fall to like 447 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: round five at times in drafts, and I think I'm 448 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: fine taking him there because, like Dallas Goddard could say that, 449 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, it bolds well that they 450 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: have two big tight ends but to me, Goddard is 451 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: more of the red zone presence. UH Deshaun Jackson and 452 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Reagor. I like them a lot, especially in Best 453 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: Ball drafts, but they're more down the field field stretchers. 454 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: So I think someone needs to step up here and 455 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: be that US receiver for Carson Wentz and the Eagles, 456 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: and we know it's going to be zach Ertz. Zach 457 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: Ertz has seen a hundred targets or more in five 458 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: straight seasons. It's tied for the longest active streak amongst 459 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: all tight ends, so I think his volume is safe. 460 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if he has put the ceiling to 461 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: match the other three, which is why I have him fourth, 462 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: But I think just on a week to week basis, 463 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: the volume is going to be there and you don't 464 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: really have to worry about it too much. So for me, 465 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: that's why I have him fourth. And I am seeing 466 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: him fall a little bit in drafts, and if he 467 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: continues to fall, then I think that it becomes an 468 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: opportunity where you look to get him on your fantasy roster. 469 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: On the one hand, I tell myself this story where 470 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: if all the Eagles receivers stay healthy, vin zach Ertz 471 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: is going to see a decrease in targets. And then 472 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: I look back and I realized that we're talking about 473 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: all Shan Jeffrey and Deshan Jackson trying to stay healthy, 474 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: which has been a monumental task over the last few years, 475 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: and I think, well, hey, maybe Zaccurates is still in 476 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: line to be a target monster once to get in 477 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: there in Philadelphia, Dallas, Goddard, how are you feeling about 478 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: him this year? I don't really love him because, like 479 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: like we were talking about the other receivers Eagles have there, 480 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: then he's still not even the number one tight end 481 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: in the target pecking order. I think where he bodes 482 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: best is in the red zone, and he'll have some 483 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: weeks where he'll pop because he'll catch a touchdown maybe two, 484 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: But then he's gonna have those disappointing weeks where he 485 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: doesn't find pay dirt and your left like wanting more 486 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: because he's gonna give you four or five fantasy points. 487 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: So I think he has the upside to me, though, 488 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: he is a more of a tight end too that 489 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: that I don't really have a lot of in drafts 490 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I keep saying Dallas Goddard is the 491 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: guy who won't be relevant enough to have on your 492 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: fantasy team, but he will be relevant enough to maybe 493 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: eat off Zack Earth's plate. And that is what is 494 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: potentially very frustrated. I think that is Yeah, I think 495 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: that's I think that's how it's gonna go down. Where 496 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: we've reached the middle of the pack in our tight 497 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: end conversation. And this is where things start to get 498 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: a little bit complicated because we've got a group of 499 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: guys here that have shown the ability to have some 500 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: solid production, but they all come with pretty significant question marks. 501 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: So let's kind of jump into a few of them here. 502 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: Let's start in Las Vegas with Darren Waller, who was 503 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: a great story last year, a guy who had his 504 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: own set of off the field issues, his own personal struggles, 505 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: really got an opportunity with the Raiders last year and 506 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: maybe the most of it, more than eleven hundred yards, 507 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: had ninety catches ends up as a top three tight 508 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: end last season. But now Florio, the price has gone 509 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: way up in terms of the draft for Theren Waller 510 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: and can he give you the encore you need to 511 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: make that draft price worth it. Darren Waller is one 512 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: of the hardest players for me to figure out this year. Uh, 513 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: and it's because of a lot of different reasons. Like 514 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: last year, he was awesome to begin the year, a 515 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: lot of people picked him up, and then after like 516 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: the first five weeks of the season all double digit 517 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: fantasy points. He exploded in Week seven for nearly thirty 518 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: two fantasy points, but after that it became a lot 519 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: more single digit fantasy performances. He owned topped fifteen fantasy 520 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: points three times in the second half of the season, 521 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: So with a lot more of those single digits mixed in, 522 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure his ceiling is quite as high as 523 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: like Andrews Arts and definitely not as high as Kelsey Kittles. 524 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: So to me, he belongs after the Big Four in 525 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: the next group of upside tight ends that come with 526 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: question marks because the Raiders have a lot of new 527 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: weapons in that and especially in that receiving game. Uh, 528 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: they drafted rugs high. Brian Edwards is getting a bunch 529 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: of hype uh. So to me, Waller is one of those. 530 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: He has upside where he can outlive his a DP, 531 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: but he also comes with downside, so he belongs in 532 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: that high upside tier after the Big Four for me, Yeah, 533 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: you talk about the past catchers the Raiders drafted, they 534 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: realized after last season they had to upgrade in that department. 535 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's remember. I know it feels like 536 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: it was a lifetime ago. The Antonio Brown thing was 537 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: just a year ago. I mean, like all of the 538 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: helmet stuff that was going on during Hard Knocks last year, 539 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: it feels like it was forever ago, but it really wasn't. 540 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: And so because of that, because Tyrolle Williams was banged up, 541 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: Darren Waller stepped into the void and made the most 542 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: of the opportunity. But now, as you mentioned, they got rugs, 543 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: they got bowed, and they've got Brian Edwards. They signed 544 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: Theo Riddick as a free agent who can come in 545 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: potentially catch passes. Let's not forgetting Jalen Rochard is still there. 546 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: There are a lot more options for Derek Carr to 547 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: deliver the football too. And I think it's gonna be 548 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: hard for Darren Waller to get back to a hundred 549 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: and seventeen targets like he had last year. It's gonna 550 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: be hard to get back to ninety catches. Like last year, 551 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: and so that means he's really gonna have to score 552 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: more touchdowns, which is certainly possible, but that is a 553 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: hard thing to try to bank on. So I think 554 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: that it was an excellent story. It was also a 555 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: story sort of born of opportunity, and I'm not sure 556 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: that that opportunity is going to be there this year 557 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: for Darren Waller. Next set of tight ends, choose your 558 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: alliterative fighter. Is it Evan Ingram? Is it Hunter Henry? 559 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: Which are those two guys do you feel are about? 560 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: For me, it is easily Evan Ingram. Like Evan Ingram 561 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: every time he's on the field is a high end 562 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: tight end one and we know the upset that he has. 563 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: He can, legitimately, I believe, be the giants best fantasy 564 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: weapon outside of st Quon Barkley this year if he 565 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: can stay healthy. Uh. The other side, with Hunter Henry, 566 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: he also has struggled to stay on the field, and 567 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: we've seen him flash at times, but when he is flash, 568 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: it's been because of high touchdown percentage in the past, 569 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: and I like him as a talent, but it goes 570 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: back to I think the Chargers are going to have 571 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: a slower paced offense. I think they're going to look 572 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: to establish the run a little bit more. I think 573 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler and Keenan Allen are the unquestioned top targets there, 574 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: so that leaves Henry and Mike Williams fighting to be 575 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: the third target there on a team that I don't 576 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: expect to pass as much. The Giants have a bad 577 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: defense and I think they're going to be playing from 578 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: behind a lot having to throw. And I think Evan 579 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: Ingram could realistically be this team's like lead this team 580 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: in targets if he stays healthy this year, since to me, 581 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: I think the upside and everything because both are injury concerns. 582 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take the player that I think has 583 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: the higher ceiling, and to me, I think it is 584 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: much higher for everything. Yeah, no, I would agree with 585 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: that too. I I like Ingram over Hunter Henry, and 586 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: I say that as somebody who has been a huge 587 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: hunter Henry stand ever since he was drafted, and so far, 588 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: just for one reason or another, it hasn't quite come together. 589 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: The first year or two he was still sort of 590 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: competing with Antonio Gates for targets there. Then, as you mentioned, 591 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: the injuries have happened. I know that's the same thing 592 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: for Ingram, but I agree with you that when he 593 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: is there and he is healthy, I think he's the 594 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: guy that they look to first in the passing game 595 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: and then got They've got a lot of really I 596 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: think talented pass catchers there. I mean, I like Darius Slayton. 597 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: We know what Golden Take can do, but I think 598 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram is the guy that they would really like 599 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: to funnel that passing game through. So I would agree. 600 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: I think you sort of try to overlook the injury concerns. 601 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: I would say that if you're drafting Evan Ingram, you 602 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: might be wise to spend another late draft pick on 603 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: a set it tied in just to kind of have 604 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: that insurance there for you. But I think I think 605 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: we look at Evan Ingram the way I'm looking at 606 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Will Fuller. Right when he is there, the production is 607 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: going to be fantastic. So maybe don't talk yourself out 608 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: of him just because you're worried about an injury that 609 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: has not yet happened. All right, A couple of weeks ago, 610 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: you were on this show and we were talking about 611 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: the Rams, and I asked you about Tyler Higbee, and 612 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: you sort of malfunctioned my brain a little bit because 613 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: you had him with an incredibly high ceiling. So I'm 614 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: gonna kind of circle back around. I know how you feel, 615 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: I know how much you love Tyler Higbee. Over the weekend, 616 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: though the Rams had a scrimmage, Van Jefferson started to 617 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: get a little bit more love, and then reports from 618 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: practice that he went one on one with Jalen Ramsey 619 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: a couple of times and got the better of Jalen Ramsey. 620 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: So now the hype machine is pumping for Van Jefferson. 621 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: Does this change at all the way you feel about 622 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee. It hasn't, and I understand it would, because 623 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing with Higbee is if the Rams go 624 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: back to playing running eleven personnel and using three wide 625 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: receivers like they did for the first two and a 626 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: half years of Sean mcbay's tenure there, then yeah, that 627 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: that's gonna lead to less volume for the tight end. 628 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 1: But I still have difficulty looking at what Tyler Higbee 629 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: and there and not just Higbee. What the Rams offense 630 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: became in the final five weeks of the season, when 631 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: they went to twelve personnel and started running the two 632 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: tight end sets more and it was like Higbee was 633 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: we know, he said history, but Jared Goff his numbers 634 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: greatly improved, and the Rams yards greatly improved each week, 635 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: and their points greatly improved each week. And so I 636 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: think I find it difficult that they're going to see 637 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: the success that they had last year and pull that 638 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: off the field to get a rookie who I think 639 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: has a lot of upside long term. But again, when 640 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: he drafted him, he was dubbed as kind of a project. 641 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: And uh, we your preseason for rookies this year, no 642 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: preseason games. We're just kind of getting these battles at 643 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: training camp and stuff. So maybe as the year goes 644 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: on and Van Jefferson really starts to flash and if 645 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: Higbee gets all to a slow start, then I would 646 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: start to worry. But as of right now, some hype 647 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: coming out of training camp is not enough to change 648 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: what we saw, at least in my opinion, what we 649 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: saw the last five games from the Rams offense. I 650 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: just feel like Tyler Higbee for me, has been one 651 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: that I can't completely peg because I we all saw 652 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: what he did last season, which was phenomenal. I remained 653 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: skeptical about what this means over the course of sixteen games, 654 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: and I still don't know what Gerald Everett means to 655 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: this offense. I'm sort of putting Generald Everett uh into 656 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: a similar category to Dallas Goddard in the sense that 657 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have Gerald Everett on 658 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: my fantasy roster. But I do worry that if the 659 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: Rams go with more twelve personnel, he will just kind 660 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: of pick and chip away at Tyler Higbee's production, and 661 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: that that sort of worries me. And again, like I 662 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I go back to my original point of like I 663 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: have sort of stayed away from these middle round tight ends, 664 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: so Higby has sort of been a little bit off 665 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: my board just because of that. Now, when it comes 666 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: to middle round tight ends, especially you talk about big names. 667 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski is back. He took a gap year, so 668 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: to speak. He went and I guess want to trying 669 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: to find himself. And turns out he was to hang 670 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: out on the masked singer who knew. But now he's back. 671 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: He's with Tom Brady reunited down there in Tampa Bay. 672 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: This is kind that is a DP right now of 673 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: like the seventh round, which look for for the previous growth. 674 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: That's way too low for this grounk with so many 675 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: weapons in Tampa, with O. J. Howard reportedly flashing in 676 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: camp right now, is the seventh round too high? Isn't 677 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: just right? How are you feeling about that? I think 678 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: it's about right. I like him a little bit more 679 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: when he goes even later. Seventh round might be a 680 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: little bit too high for me. And now that, like 681 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: eighth nine, I think is more than sweet spot. If 682 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: you get him even later than that, just I love 683 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: that value. But to me, the question we need to 684 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: ask with Gronk is do we think he can reach 685 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: seven hundred yards? And if the answer is yes, then 686 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: I think he can be a top eight tight end 687 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: because in the last three seasons, every single tight end 688 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: that has reached seven hundred yards has finished as a 689 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: top eight tight end, and in the last five years, 690 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: everyone but one tight end finished top ten, and that 691 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: one was Eric Ebron of the year he had just 692 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: one touchdown catch. So I think that if we think 693 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: that Gronk can get to seven hundred yards, which I 694 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: do think he can, because Evans and Godwin are clearly 695 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: going to get all the attention from the defense, So 696 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: I think that it's gonna lead to a lot of 697 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: one on one battles for Rob Gronkowski. And I'm of 698 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: the mindset that I know two years ago he did 699 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: not look like the Gronk of old, but he was 700 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: battling a ton of injuries in throughout his NFL careers, 701 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: so a year off very well may have done him good. 702 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: If he still has any of that old athleticism in 703 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: the tank, I think there's actually upside here where he 704 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: can outlive this a d p um. But I I 705 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: have Gronk in some of my drafts. He's not a 706 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: player that I'm going into drafts and being like, I 707 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: need to end up with Gronk. But if I see 708 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: him fall, I think seventh round might be a little 709 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: bit too early. But if he falls a little bit 710 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: later than that, that's when I start to consider him. Yeah, 711 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: I would probably agree. I think when he first signed 712 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: with Tampa Bay, my thought was he could end up 713 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: sort of in the back part of the top ten 714 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: among fantasy tight ends when the season was all said 715 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: and done. I still sort of believe that, although I 716 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: feel like I think that way in part because every 717 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: year we look at the tight ends and there's always 718 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: a couple of guys who are just good enough. They 719 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: may not be great on a week to week basis, 720 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: but they're just good enough and they land in that 721 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: top ten. I mean, I keep coming back to Jason 722 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: Witten as tight end to Levin last year, and he 723 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: was fairly unremarkable. So I do think that Gronk can 724 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: sort of land in the back part of the top ten. 725 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: But I'm sort of with you. I don't know that 726 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: I would spend a seventh round to pick on him. 727 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: If he gets a little bit down the board, a 728 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: little bit, then I would think, uh some more about that. 729 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: It's time for high Upside presented by Caesar's Rewards. As 730 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: we continue are tight end preview. Time to look at 731 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: the guys who are available in the double digit rounds, 732 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: or in some cases, guys who are going undrafted that 733 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: we think could provide some pretty good returns for your 734 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: fantasy roster this week. So we have combined to put 735 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,720 Speaker 1: together a list of five guys that we like. Michael Florio, 736 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: I will see the floor to you, who is a 737 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: guy right now that you are liking in those later rounds? 738 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: Or a guy who might just not be drafted at all. 739 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I like Chris Herndon, and he's someone who's getting some 740 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: more hyped in recent weeks, but before, like a month ago, 741 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: it's very possible he just went completely undrafted if you 742 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: did like an early draft. And the reason I like 743 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: Herndon so much is, remember he started to come on 744 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: really strong in the second half of averaging double near 745 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: double digit fantasy points per game, and then last year 746 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people had him ranked as a tight 747 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: end one, but then he got hit with a suspension. 748 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: Still a lot of people, myself included, were advocating to 749 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: take a shot on him. Hey, only four weeks, right, 750 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: and then he he suffered an injury, and all year 751 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: he was kind of on like should I stash him? 752 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: But then I mean he ran ten rounds all year. 753 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: It was a completely lost season for him. But now 754 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: he is back, he is healthy, he's getting rave reviews 755 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: out of Jets camp, and the Jets need, like Sam 756 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: Donald needs someone to step up and catch the ball, right, Like, 757 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: there's Jamison Crowder. But then Brashad Perriman and Denzel Mims 758 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: are dealing with injuries and have both been absent from 759 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: training camp and we're seeing that like Chris Hogan, the 760 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: ghost of Chris Hogan back and running with the Jets one. 761 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: So to me, someone needs to catch the ball here. 762 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: We saw Ryan Griffin even be fantasy relevant at times 763 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: last year with Sam Donald, so I think Herndon is 764 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: much better than than Griffin. I think he is a 765 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: much better athlete, could do more damage with the ball 766 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: after the catch. So Herndon is someone in the double 767 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: digit rounds really in drafts that I think has a 768 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: lot of upside for what it's worth. I saw a 769 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: Twitter report yesterday that says Donald and and Herndon have 770 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: formed some sort of mind meld. Apparently they're getting along 771 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: great and they're on the same page. Whatever phrase you 772 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: want to use, So hey, just just put that in 773 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: your back pocket when you're thinking about drafts. I talked 774 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: about Jason Witten, the fact that he was tied into 775 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: Levin last year and basically all he did was catch 776 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: the football and fall down. So for that reason, I 777 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: just sort of gone in on Blake Jarwin this year. 778 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: And I know that there are a lot of targets, 779 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: a lot of places to spread the football in Dallas, 780 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: mean between their their top three wide receivers with Cooper 781 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: Gallop and Seedee Lamb. They gotta they gotta get those 782 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: guys the ball. They still have to get Zeke his touches. 783 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: But there is a lot of volume here. I mean, 784 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: this is in an offense that was fairly up tempo 785 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: last year, that ran a ton of plays. The fact 786 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: that they were able to get so many guys, a 787 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: lot of targets, a lot of yards through the air, 788 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 1: and still get Zeke his opportunities, I think that speaks well. 789 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: Witton is gone, Randall Cobb has gone, so there is 790 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: an opportunity for another tight end to step in there 791 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: get some some chances to make some plays in this offense. 792 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: And so I think that jar Way, considering where he 793 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: is on the board, I mean you're talking around twelve 794 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: or later, in a lot of circumstances, he could come 795 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: back and be one of those guys sort of knocking 796 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: on the door of the top twelve and a lot 797 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: of fantasy leagues, And I think right now he is 798 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: worth the shot. Uh So you're bringing bringing Jack Doyle 799 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: back into our lives, how Mike Florial old man Jack Doyle. Yeah, 800 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: I think Jack Doyle is a great value this year. Like, yeah, 801 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: Jack Doyle doesn't have top five tight end upside or 802 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: anything like that, Like let's not get carried away, but 803 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: he's in a really favorable situation like Frank Reich's system 804 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: has for the last couple of years, but given us 805 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: some fantasy goodness from the tight end position. And even 806 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, when Eric Ebron had 807 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: that breakout fantasy season, Jack Doyle was still fantasy viable 808 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: and Jack Doyle was still playing the majority of snaps 809 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: and even getting more targets. So I think Jack Doyle 810 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: once again in that role. Like we're hearing some hype 811 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: for Trade Burton and Moet mo Ali Cox, but they're 812 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: gonna play the Eric ebronold, the big tight end who 813 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 1: comes in in the red zone. Jack Doyle is gonna 814 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: be that that receiver in between the twenties that they use. 815 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: And I think he can be the go to possession 816 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: receiver for Philip Rivers because in the last ten seasons, 817 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: Rivers is averaging nearly eight past attempts per game to 818 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: his tight ends that ranks Swarts the top in the league. 819 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: So I think Jack Doyle is a cheap volume play 820 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: that he can be a better version of like this 821 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: year's Jason Witten, Like he's never going to wow you, 822 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: but at the end of the year, you're gonna look 823 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 1: and be like, oh wow, he's a top twelve tight 824 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: end because he's been consistent each week. I think there's 825 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: there's some value in that. Right When you talk about Titans, 826 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: we all want to take the big swing and get 827 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: the guy who puts up big numbers each and every week. 828 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: But because the tight end position has been so volatible, 829 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: maybe sometimes all you need is that guy who just 830 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: kind of just chugs along, right, who may not win 831 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: a week for you, but it's not going to kill 832 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: you on a week to week basis. And I do 833 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: think that that Jack Doyle could be that guy. I'm 834 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: not gonna John who Smith and I have been big 835 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: on the John new Smith train all offseason long, in 836 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: part because obviously Delaney Walker is gone in Tennessee, so 837 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: Smith takes the next step four into that role as 838 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: the top tight end in the Titans offense. And on 839 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: top of it, this offense just opened up so much 840 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: more last year once Ryan Tannehill took over for Marcus Mariota, 841 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: they became a lot more dynamic. They were moving the 842 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: ball more effectively, and it leads me to believe that 843 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: they are going to give Tannehill some more room to 844 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: work with in this offense. Now that's great news. The 845 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: problem for him is that he's got to find someone 846 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: to throw the football to not named A. J. Brown. 847 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: Brown is going to get his I think he's gonna 848 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: be fantastic this year. But you know, here we are waiting, 849 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: what this is year four or five. We're still waiting 850 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: for Corey Davis to be the guy we think he 851 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: can be. We know that Derrick Henry is not going 852 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: to catch the football consistently in this offense. So there's 853 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: really a chance for John new Smith to be a 854 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: consistent producer. He was just outside the top fifty or 855 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: top twelve, I should say, last season. I think this 856 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: year he kind of creeps into that and I think 857 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: he ends up being a really nice option. All right, 858 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: last one end of this group, who are you looking at? Here? 859 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: For you? I'm gonna go with another Smith. I'm gonna 860 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: go with IRV Smith Junior from the Minnesota Vikings. And 861 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: Smith is a tight end that he's not even going 862 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: in the top fifteen tight ends in a lot of drafts, 863 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: you get him real late. But what I like about 864 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: him is outside of Adam feeling here like someone needs 865 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: to step up for the Vikings. I like Justin Jefferson, 866 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: But is he gonna be able to step in and 867 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: fill all the targets that Stefon Diggs is leaving behind. No, 868 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so. So I think there's going to 869 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: be targets up for grabs, and IRV Smith Jr. Is 870 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: to me, I think like we already saw him and 871 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: called Rudolph last year, splitting the the reps, running the 872 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: same amount of routes, seeing the same amount of targets 873 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: per game. And I think IRV Smith, who is a 874 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: tremendous athlete, much better athlete than a call Rudolph Kyle 875 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: Rudolph that is a much better I think it makes 876 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: sense that we'll see Rudolph used to block more where 877 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: ierv Smith will be the past catching tight end. And 878 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: we've even seen report that they are toying with the 879 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: idea of using him out wide at times, which is 880 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: just going to lead to more fantasy production. I think 881 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: Smith is a low risk, high ceiling type tight end play. 882 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: My only caveat would be in Marcus. You know this 883 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 1: really well, don't play him the week of Christmas because 884 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: that's that is that is absolutely Kyle Rudolph's week. But 885 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: Er Smith has been a training camp hype Bunny there 886 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Buy things that was high upside presented 887 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: by Caesar's Rewards. Drafted team with NFL Fantasy this season, 888 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: and you could win a trip to take your lead 889 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: to Caesar's Palace Las Vegas for the Fantasy playoffs. Download 890 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy app, draft a team and select the 891 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: trip to Caesar's Palace from among the three grand prizes 892 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: you can win. Wrapping up our tight end preview here 893 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: on the Fantasy Football Show, and let's talk about some 894 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: guys who maybe we aren't thinking about but maybe possibly 895 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: in a weird way, we possibly should. Either start with 896 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: a couple of longtime veteran tight ends. Are you expecting 897 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: and you predict anything out of either Jimmy Graham or 898 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: Greg Olsen A k A. Do you believe in ghosts? 899 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham? No? And remember like early in Jimmy Graham's 900 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: career when he wanted wide receiver money and was mad 901 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: that like he was getting you know, classified as like 902 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: a tight end. He's more than made up for these 903 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: last couple of years taking the Bars and Packers money 904 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: to basically be a coach or something. So I do 905 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: not expect anything out of Jimmy Graham. Greg Olsen, on 906 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: the other hand, I am a little intrigued about because 907 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: I understand he hasn't been able to stay healthy because 908 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: of that foot, But when he has been on the 909 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: field in recent years, he's still shown us a little 910 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: bit of potential, averaging almost nine Fantasy points per game 911 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: each of the last two years. He has a quarterback 912 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: in Russell Wilson who does like to throw the tight ends, 913 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: especially in the red zone, and the Seahawks have like 914 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: seven tit ends on their roster they drafted when they 915 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: will dis lee Jacob Hollis there. I think it's because 916 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: greg Olsen isn't going to be used as like a 917 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: regular tight end like I I'm expecting to block or 918 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: anything like that. I think he is just going to 919 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: be the past catching specialists for for that group. And yeah, 920 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: he's nothing more than a low end tight end too, 921 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,879 Speaker 1: but I think he may have a little something left 922 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: in the tank. Jimmy Graham not at all yeah, and 923 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: I I agree with you, especially on Olsen there, because 924 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: I think the point you made its valid that that 925 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is not afraid to throw to his tight ends. 926 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: It's the reason we have sort of gotten onto the 927 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: will Distille bandwagon a couple of times. Unfortunately this lee 928 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: has not been able to stay healthy, but when he's 929 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: been there, they look for him around the goal line. 930 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: And I do think Greg Olsen can sort of be 931 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: that guy. So I would get behind you on that. 932 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: One better chance for fantasy relevance in Ian Thomas, Jason 933 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: Sternberger or Devon ASSISI which is just fun to say. 934 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Jason Sternberger of these three. And 935 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: and the whole reason is just like there's so much 936 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: volume up for grabs in Green Bay, Like outside of 937 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: Davante Adams, there's no one there that I think you 938 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,720 Speaker 1: can be like, all right, Like I know Ellen's largest 939 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: the favorite, but like even him, I'm like, all right, 940 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: would I be surprised if it's Jay Sternberger and not 941 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: Alan Lazard, I personally wouldn't. Sternberger was a really good 942 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: tight end. His one year Texas A and M show 943 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: that he had a lot of athletic ability after the 944 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: catch Ian Thomas, My concern is just d J. Moore 945 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: and Christian McCaffrey, we know are the top two targets there, 946 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 1: so every week he is to compete with Robby Anderson 947 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: and Curtis Samuel to be the third target at best, 948 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: and Devin U csc is getting really good reviews out 949 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: of Patriots camp. I think he is a name that 950 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: you should remember. But when is the last time we 951 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: really saw a rookie tight end break out. So he's 952 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: more a name to to keep an eye on and 953 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: not one that I would be drafting over those other 954 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: two right now. Yeah, honestly, honestly, is definitely I think 955 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: more of a dynasty sort of stash than than in 956 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,919 Speaker 1: redraft leagues. I don't expect anything this year. I sort 957 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: of liking and Thomas though, I mean Greg Olsen leaving 958 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: there in Carolina. I think Teddy Bridgewater is sort of 959 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: a nice fit for a younger tight end looking to 960 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: kind of get some opportunity. He's there, You're right, he 961 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: is going to have to compete for targets. We know 962 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: d J. Moore is going to get his. We know 963 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey is probably gonna be over a hundred targets 964 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: again yet this year, but I do think there's an 965 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: opportunity there, especially if Robby Anderson ends up being an 966 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: effective field stretcher. I think that opened some things up underneath, 967 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: and that will allow Thomas a little bit of room 968 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: to work again. He's the guy that that you were 969 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: talking about last pick in the draft, or probably even 970 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: a waiver wire sort of ad depending on the situation. 971 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: But I do think we will hear from me and 972 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: Thomas at some point during the season this year. All right, 973 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: last one? Who is the better basketball playing fantasy tight end? 974 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: Because you know, whenever we hear about these guys, they 975 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: are always talked about, Hey, this guy played basketball, Antonio 976 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: Gates or Tony Gonzalez. Who you're going with? I think 977 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 1: I'm going with the contrarian pick here, but I'm going 978 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: with my heart. I'm gonna go with Antonio Gates and Marcus. 979 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 1: The reason is my one of my first years playing fantasy, 980 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: Antonio Gates led me to my first ever fantasy football championship. 981 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: So because of that, he has a place near and 982 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: dear to my heart. I understand that. No, that absolutely 983 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: makes sense. I think we always sort of get attached 984 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: to guys, especially guys who help us win championships. Plus, 985 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: I I had a friend for a long time whose 986 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: motto was, if you don't get Gates weight, that was 987 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: his whole tight end drafting strategy. So it's basically meant 988 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: he was going after Gates early on in the draft, 989 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 1: and if not, then he would probably wait, and because 990 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: he was a Cowboys fan, he would take like Jay 991 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: Novachek or something like that. Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna 992 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: be on the other side of this argument. I'm gonna 993 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: go with Tony Gonzalez, who is, you know, obviously a 994 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, who was one of the greatest Titans, 995 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: just the greatest offensive players to play this game, and 996 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: on top of it, had that great celebration where he 997 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 1: would like shoot free throws after he scored touchdowns. I mean, 998 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: what he did between Kansas City and Atlanta was phenomenal. Also, 999 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm partially biased here too, because I remember 1000 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez as a basketball player at Cal and I 1001 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: remember him beating up on USC on multiple occasions. Um, 1002 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: so maybe it's a combination of bitterness and respect that 1003 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: have led me to us here, but I'm gonna go 1004 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go that way with it. So uh yeah, 1005 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: that's it. Any final words, anything else about tight ends 1006 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,240 Speaker 1: you think people should know before we signed off today, 1007 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: I think just going back to what you said at 1008 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: the start of the show, like, yeah, every year we 1009 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: say like tight end is deeper than ever. This year, 1010 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: you could wait on the position. But my opinion, if 1011 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: you're not grabbing one of those early tight ends and 1012 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: you're waiting, I think it is worthy to double dip, 1013 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: because yeah, it is deeper than ever, but they're not 1014 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: all going to pan out. So if you can get 1015 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: two of those high upside tight ends, especially in the 1016 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: double digit rounds, I think it is worth it because 1017 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: you're just increasing your chances of finding a breakout tight 1018 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: end and not having to stream it each week off 1019 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: the weaver wire. Yeah. 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