WEBVTT - Patriots Playbook 5/25: Mac Jones in Year Two, Changes to Coaching Staff, NFL Draft Aftermath 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.600 This is Patriots Playbook, the legend. I'm gonna digress. Right 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.040 in the first ten seconds of the show, you know, 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:13.600 the forty nine ers are saying, Oh, no, we're not 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.120 gonna trade. We're not gonna trade it. How can we 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.440 possible to trade people's hand? Oh he's an NFL All Pro. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.640 Well duh. Could you see Gebo run some wildcat though? 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:28.080 Come on? Oh, you know time that boy is a 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:33.760 p I GP see if you can guess what I am. Now. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:40.640 Now here's your host of Patriots Playbook, John Rook. A 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.640 little too much chucklick in there. I think you know 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.400 from my likeli goood. Sometimes you know, when you get 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.360 in the mood and you're in a sort of a 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.360 non pissy mood, you know, you have a tendency to 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.239 squeak a little bit. And I guess that was me 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.080 on that particular day, right, I don't know, Yeah, I 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.840 don't know. Welcome into the Playbook, our monthly edition or 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.880 off season edition for the month of what month is 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:05.480 as may OTAs are actually here. There's actual football going on. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.560 There's no pads, no popping, no anything. But I mean 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.319 they're in shorts and in shirts or shells a little bit. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.720 And uh, and that's good. We're taking a step in 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:17.319 the right direction today's program. We're we're shuffling the deck 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.640 a little bit, and I'm very happy to all come 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.479 into the show. Martin Nundero. Some of you who live 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:28.400 locally remember Mark from Channel twelve in Providence. You listen 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.480 to him perhaps on w EI in Providence and also 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.679 does some weekend stuff up in Boston from time to 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.160 time as well. And Mark has also kind of gone 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.160 to the dark side like I did a number of 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.280 years ago. He's become an educator. So watch the hell out. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.040 That's part of it. Also, Evan Lazar from clon S Media, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.400 who covers the Patriots, will join us as um. Oh goodness, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:51.920 what the heck did I do with my schedule? Who 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.840 else is joining us? Matt? Thank you, good lord? I 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.320 forgot about big Head. Big Head's going to join us 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.120 here again at the towards the tail into this hour. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.120 He'll never let me forget that one of these listening 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.800 now for sure. So we're gonna plug into some guys 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.960 who I know have strong opinions, who are plugged into 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.720 the beat and who aren't going to be wishy wash 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.919 it all because quite frankly, Mark, first of all, thanks 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.600 for taking the time for having me. John got to 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.880 be here. Yeah, So listen, there's a couple of issues 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:18.480 that are out there right now that seem to be 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.760 standing up that I think that are worth getting into today. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.640 We did a poll on this. If anybody's wondering and 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.680 just kind of tuned in or been off social media 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.880 or whatever, check the check my twitters feed it at 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.960 JR Broadcaster, because I did a poll probably about an 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.640 hour or two ago that will run through the show, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.040 so that way we can get at the end of 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:39.640 the show, I'll give you the poll results because it's 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.640 going to close it four o'clock Eastern time. But quite frankly, 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.240 I've been of the opinion gang, and I know this 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.680 has been a topic for the Patriots unfiltered guys, and 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.600 we've seen it in local media. We've heard it in 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.600 a local media. I'm of the opinion that the fact 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.320 that the Patriots don't have a named coordinator or named 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.720 play caller at this stage of the game doesn't matter. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.360 I just I'm just I don't think it matters. And 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.960 Bill has said as much in his press conferences, you know, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.400 but it just it continues to be a topic of 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.880 conversation amongst all the talk show bloviators that are out 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.520 there in this area, especially outside of our area. I 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.080 can't imagine anybody gives a rats you know what about 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.320 that as well. But even if you're from the outside area, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.520 I'd be curious to know if you have openings on 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.040 your team, how does your team do that? How's your 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.480 team handle it? Because it seems to be like, oh 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.600 my god, we you know, there's no Josh McDaniels calling 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.880 the plays. How the hell can we possibly what's gonna 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.680 happen to poor Mac? He's got all these fotises coming 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.040 after him and he's just not gonna have any idea 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.440 what to do. And I'm just like, shut up. I mean, seriously, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.560 is it really that big of a deal. Don't you 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.360 think that getting here to begin with? On this level, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.520 the fact that he's a second year pro and already, 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.000 you know, you see more improvement from rookie year to say, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.000 and you're emotionally employers than you do any of the 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.680 year of your career. Aren't we of the opinion that, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.520 you know, he's got to be kind of thinking for 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.800 himself as opposed to having that kind of guidance. So 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.920 I appreciate your perspective because I agree with you for 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:19.160 the most I do the whole time. No, I do 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:24.040 not think that it's a devastating development, the fact that 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.200 I forget about the titles. I don't care about titles. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.640 I mean, people might care about titles, your assistant coaches, 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.680 if they're trying to climb the ranks. Maybe they for 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.839 the sake of their resume care about titles. I don't 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.920 care about titles. I do not think it's a devastating 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.680 thing that I don't know. I guess you could say 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.920 that the offensive coordinator scenario is in flux or they're 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.840 trying to figure it out. I actually think it might 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.960 be a good thing. Okay, there's a few reasons why 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.320 number one Mac Jones. Okay, I happen to believe. I 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.120 believe in mac Jones. That's the first thing. I think 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.280 he's gonna be good. I love the ceiling. I think 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.680 everything all the positives people have put out there, I 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.440 agree with. I buy in mac Jones. But I also 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.080 think of mac Jones, is gonna be the quarterback that 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.000 we think he can be and that we think he 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.080 might be or is. It's not gonna I'm not gonna 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.039 say it doesn't matter, but who is offensive coordinator is 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.440 shouldn't be the biggest deal, if that makes anything. Now, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.000 I know Josh Allen up in Buffalo. You know, Brian 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.080 Dave all was able to develop him and that really 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.479 worked out well because because obviously Allen wasn't the quarterback 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.640 he is now when he started, So that was good 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.080 on them. But Joe, I think if Jones is going 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.680 to be the quarterback we think he can be, it 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.040 shouldn't just be this sing you know, Josh McDaniels, that 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:36.880 is the guy that has to get him there. Let's 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.240 not forget Bill Belichick's still the head coach. So yeah, 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.440 there might be some turnover as the offensive coordinator goes 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.640 in and out or whatever, but he's still the head coach. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.800 He's obviously going to prioritize the quarterback. I mean, you'd 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.679 like to think, I'd like to think this is his baby, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.560 this is the guy he drafted. This is the big 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.200 replacement for Tom Brady. I mean, Mac Jones, for better 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.400 or worse, is going to be tied to Bill Belichick's legacy. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.480 I'm not I mean again not dismissing it, not saying 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.480 offensive coordinators are useless. But I don't know. I feel 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.800 like you're as good as your quarterback is. Now. Is 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:12.120 an offensive coordinator integral in helping that quarterback develop? Sure, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.960 But if the quarterback has a work ethic and has 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.640 some know how, which I believe we believe Mac Jones does, 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.080 I think he's gonna be okay. And I also don't 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.119 mind the fact that Bill Belichick seems to be creating 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.920 a little internal competition. Well that's the big I think 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.200 that's what everybody is sort of keying on the fact 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.279 that this, you know, allegedly and first couple of sessions 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.440 of OTA has shown this, this is allegedly almost a 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:39.039 play calling competition between you know, Matt Patricia and Oh 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.640 my lord, have mercy. Are we even talking about, you know, 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.880 Joe Judge. Yeah, I know. I'm just like, there are 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.520 so many people that I know that are dumbfounded over 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.960 Joe Judge's returned into England because they felt like he 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:58.479 was so bad in New York. Now move that aside 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.520 for just a second. You've got two guys now on 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.120 your staff, who are you know, primary go to guys 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.200 in right hand man, left hand man whatever of Bill Belichick, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.560 who are former head coaches in the NFL. Now, they 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.440 clearly had something on the ball to be named a 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.440 head coach to begin with. That's number one. Whether or 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.480 not their expertise was defense or special teams or whatever 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.080 it might may have been at one time is not 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.080 the point. The fact is is number one. They have 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.240 had to reign heard over everybody. Now, maybe they on 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.520 their staff, maybe they didn't have the greatest success. I 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.560 think it's pretty documented that neither one of them had 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.480 great success. I don't even know if either one of 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.360 those guys can get another head job. But I think 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.560 that's part of the madness here because because they're Belichick 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.160 guys and they're loyal to Bill Belichick, Bill Belichick wants 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:49.240 them to come in do his bidding. Do his bidding. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.960 Now that means he gets no nay says, he gets 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.120 no people going against him. He's got people who are 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.560 willing to be a yes man to Bill. Right, he's 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.000 had a problem. No, I don't think they could be 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.160 a problem. I don't think it is, though, because Bill 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.880 has deserved that because of his track record here. I'm 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.760 okay with it. However, do your duty here and hopefully 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.800 if the team has success, you are, then, you know, 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.280 my proxy, going to have your own success to build 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.000 up your own esteem and your own resume and your 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.480 own possibility of getting a chance to get another head 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.280 coaching job. You're in other words, you're padding your resume here, 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.960 hopefully with something successful. And I think that was how 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.160 Bill Belichick brought two x NFL coaches back into the fold. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.040 Number one, number two. These are guys he's worked with before. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.280 Number two that he's comfortable with. The number three, he 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:40.640 knows that they won't challenge him, and so there's like, Okay, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.200 we're gonna do what Bill says. And I think that's 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.920 where Bill is at this stage of his career. He's 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.080 got basically three years to go mark to pass Don Shula, 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.760 and I really believe he's gonna hang in there until 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.800 he can get by Shula, because I know he's a 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.320 competitive cuss just like anybody else that's ever been in 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.200 this game. He's gonna be here long enough. He is 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.760 not going to do something that's going to hurt his 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.360 chances of passing Shula before he's ready to go. Now, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.840 if it happens that this is a complete total flopping failure. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.760 There is Bill O'Brien who's still out there. Bill O'Brien 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.440 did not come to become the offensive coordinator this year 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.360 because it's the second year of a contract that he 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.720 had at Alabama, and because of the friendship there between 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.560 you know, you know, Nick Saban and Bill Belichick. Bill 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.280 isn't gonna he isn't gonna ruin that. He's not gonna 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.320 do that. He's gonna step on his friend's toes and 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.400 pull his OC away after only one year of a 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.400 two year contract. But with his contract being up, I 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.720 don't think you'll see any renewals of contracts at Alabama 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.760 for Bill O'Brien. I could certainly see Bill O'Brien brought 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.680 into the fold, made OC and maybe even coaching waiting. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.040 I believe. And this is just my own personal thought here. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.920 I don't think anybody says this. Nobody said it officially, 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.559 but my own personal thought is that Bill is looking 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.600 at Matt Patricia as potentially his replace. Totally valid. I 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.800 don't know if that makes me feel good. I definitely 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.280 don't feel good when you say I don't feel good 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.240 when you say that these guys are brought in to 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.080 just be yes men. That does not make me feel good. Well, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.200 but that's what's gonna happen. Okay, that's what Bill wants 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.880 to work with at this stage of the game. The 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.760 man is seventy years old. He does not want to 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.800 have to butt heads like two rams going at each other. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.840 Is that what's best for the team. I don't think, 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.360 because that's what he always says, I do it's best 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.880 for the team. Yeah, well, that's his way of running 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.800 the team. He has earned the right to do whatever 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.400 he wants. Okay, I don't know if this is gonna 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.959 Look I just said, I don't think it's a devastating scenario. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.240 I'm not necessarily high on it. I don't love it, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.400 but I just think based on Bill Belichick's overall track record, 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.439 they can make it work. And if Mac Jones, like 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.400 I said, is good and is formidable, he can be Okay, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.720 he can develop and go through the natural the natural 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.320 progression to becoming the quarterback we think he can be. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.280 But if you tell me that, they're not gonna have 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.680 any counter arguments to Bill Belichick, and you know, I 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.240 don't know. It's not like it's not like this is 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.400 a team filled with weapons, and you know they're gonna 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:06.920 need all the help they can get from an on 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.720 field perspective, from a coaching perspective, and then when you 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.600 factor in all the really good teams in the AFC, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.319 you know, it's dicey. It's dicey, and I got to 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.280 see how it plays out. But you know, being a 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.640 yes man doesn't really get me all that excited, since 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.120 I don't really expect that it will. But I'm just 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.280 I'm just thinking that this is sort of year two 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.920 of a two year bridge. Next year, salary kept money 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.920 increases for everybody, but it will be particularly strong for 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.679 the Patriots because they've got so many guys playing on 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.640 the last year of a contract this year. Anyway, they're 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:38.960 gonna be a ton of money out there for the 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.600 Patriots to rebuild this team in a competitive sense. Next 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.720 year is the year that Bill wants to build the 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:49.000 team to leave his legacy. All right. He's gonna try 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.319 to do it this way this year if he needs to. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.360 He's gonna bring in reinforcements next year, but he thinks 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.760 he can win this year at least be as good 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.520 or as competitive as they were a year ago. I 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.200 pers in the bigger picture. I'm okay with that. I 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.720 think he's earned, like you said, the right to be 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.520 able to do his bidding. I also believe, however, that 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.240 because over the last forty games, he's only nineteen and 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.760 twenty one as a head coach. Okay, nineteen and twenty one, kids, 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.440 that's not good. If this team struggles and goes lower 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.640 than five hundred this year, you're going to hear those 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.640 rumors of his exodus start to pick up. It wouldn't 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:35.120 stun me to see the crowd family decide to reevaluate. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.440 I'm not saying they're gonna fire him. I don't really 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.280 think that'll ever happen. I think they would come to 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.280 a meeting of the minds and he would resign, or 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.600 he would retire, so to speak. Firing will never happen. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.679 But look at the bottom line, nineteen and twenty one. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.640 You don't think he's cognizant of that. I don't think 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.280 he's gonna do something that's gonna further that, even if 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.200 he's only got three years left before he passes Schuler 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:03.320 or not. Especially if mac Jones doesn't develop the way 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.520 that everybody kind of expects him to develop, it for 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.080 some reason he takes a step back this year, or 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.280 he doesn't look as good, or does he looks good 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.720 but not great, or wow, there were some clunkers or whatever. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.600 If that happens, all the things you just said will 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.840 be ratcheted up. It will be the heat will be 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.000 turned up. Now if Jones is a stud, that would 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.640 continue to buy him more time. Look, I'm not concerned 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.280 about whether or not he's gonna give it. I'm not. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.600 I'm like you, He's not gonna get fired. I think 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.839 he's still a good enough head coach to continue doing this. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.199 And I just don't see it happening that way. I 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.480 see him walking away ultimately. But you know this team. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.000 Here's the thing. Can I just give you my big 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.400 take on Bill Belichick real quick? This is what I 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.480 think about Bill Belichick. He is he the greatest head 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.720 coach of all time? Yes, he is. The problem isn't. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.120 What makes me uncomfortable is I think some of the things, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.920 or a lot of the things that made him the 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.600 greatest head coach of all time are not applicable now. 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.200 You know, for example, when the Patriots obviously the draft 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.880 and Brady and developing, keeping Brady sticking with Brady all 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.520 of that. But when you had the success and you 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.440 were able to manage the success, and you kept everybody 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.760 focused on one game, one game, one game, and you 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.880 manage distractions, and you cut this guy a year too 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.560 early rather than a year too late, and you manage 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.120 the salary cap and the roster through the free agency era. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.400 All those things that made him the greatest of all time. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.520 The game plans on the highest level, on the biggest 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.840 stage in the super Bowl. You don't have that at 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.320 your disposal anymore because Brady's gone. So all that success 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.840 that you had and all the things you did while 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.360 having that success and sustaining that success, you can't do 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.480 anymore because you're not having that success and you don't 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.880 have that quarterback. So that's why I'm a little uncomfortable 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.040 just saying, you know, I put my feet up in Bill. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.600 We trust because the greatest head coach of all time, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.440 Bill Belichick, was able to do things with Brady with 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.520 these people that he can't do anymore because he doesn't 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.480 have those things at his disposal. So it's not the 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.720 same coach. He's still the greatest of all time because 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.600 if there was another coach in here, they weren't gonna 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.280 win six super Bowls with Tom Brady, they would have 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.240 found a way to mess it up. Bill didn't credit 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.600 to him. That's why he's the greatest. Three might one four, 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.720 might have one, three, might have one two, who knows, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.960 but right, but now those things aren't the way they were. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.240 So some of the things that made him the greatest, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.600 some of his strengths, he can't apply anymore because the 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.440 team doesn't allow for it, the roster doesn't allow for it. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.960 So that's why when you bring up the record, I'm thinking, well, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.440 that's this coach because that's what he's working with now. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.000 He's still the greatest of all time based on what 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.880 he did, but now he's working with different things. And 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.640 that's why it's hard to just be like, well, he's 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.120 the greatest, the greatest will get it done. Well, he 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.240 got it done when he had all these other resources. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.800 Maybe he hasn't. Maybe Jones is gonna be the next stud. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.240 But I don't know. What did it take his first 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.800 year here in two thousand, they were what five and eleven? Eleven? Yeah, okay, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.480 did take him a little while, and they were owing 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.600 two without breaking. And I think mostly everybody considers the 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.000 pandemic here awash and they won seven and nine in 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.960 the first year post Brady. Right, So last year was 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.080 the first quote unquote normal year post Brady. They went 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.440 ten and seven and got to the playoffs. Yeh okay, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.160 what kind of a step do they take here? Can 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.800 they at least maintain where they were? Can they become competitive? 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.920 I went on the record last month when we were 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.720 talking about the schedule. I think I picked nine and 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.600 eight based on the schedule overall, and I don't think 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.960 that that's necessarily a step down. So I'll go ahead 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.640 and stand by that. I'll say nine and eight based 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.840 on what I've seen thus far, without knowing much about 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.400 the personnel on any team really just yet. But I 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:34.800 think nine and a is gonna be right there in 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.040 the mix for a playoff spot. It's gonna be in 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.880 the mix. It depends largely on what Miami does. Buffalo 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.640 is gonna win the division, should win the division. If 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.160 they don't, it's a huge upset. Now, can the pages 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.440 be better than that? Yes? Because last year I said 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.600 nine and eight and they went ten and seven. Oh. Actually, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.800 actually it was Rookster Damas that said that, right, rookster 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:59.480 Damas was the one that said that got me. Now 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.360 for your re read it, that's exactly right. He said that. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.119 I didn't. I want to make sure that I'm very 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.119 clear of that. I want to make sure we're stat 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.680 on that. But I just you know, if you're making 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.600 the playoffs, then you want to get into the playoffs 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.680 and you want to win, you want to advance. Last 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.919 year they didn't do that. I think the next step 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.280 for this team to take to really if you want 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.560 to make a leap back into contention, is you need 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.320 to get into the postseason. You need to win a game. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.200 That's the step that I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.919 for this team this year is a doable. Sure, do 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.919 they have enough weapons around Mac Jones. I'm beginning to 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.720 think they do. I'm beginning to think they do. But 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.280 my big concern is on the defensive side of the ball, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.040 where they clearly have decided to you know, anti up 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.000 with you know, edge rushers and you know, hopefully some 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.960 speed linebacker and things on those along those lines. Because 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.280 I don't know why they didn't, you know, franchise tag 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.239 jac Jackson and if they didn't want to keep him, 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.240 trade him I'm just trying to figure that one out. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.960 I'm know that we'll ever have a real answer for 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:03.680 that other than we're only doing what's best for the 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.159 football team. Okay, that's fine. That's the only answer that 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.600 we ever get, you know, when it comes to well, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.240 why did you do this? So I totally agreed with 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.199 getting rid of JC Jack, or not getting rid of him, 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.239 but letting him go. Like I love the player. They 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.000 are gonna get what we think will be about a 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.080 third round compensatory pick. I just don't think at this 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.560 stage of the game where the Patriots are currently, you 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.680 need a top corner. I don't think you. Now you could, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.560 of course, you could always use the top corner, but 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.480 I feel like that's more of a cherry on top 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.040 when you're on the press. I like the Chargers what 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.840 they did. They feel like that piece could put them 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.919 over the top. You know, twenty fourteen, when Reeves came 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.439 in here, the Patriots had a really good team all around. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.480 The one thing we were missing was that centerpiece in 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.720 the secondary, and they got that with Reeves. That put 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.600 them over the top. Arguably, this team is not there, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.439 So why you would pay him all that money to 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.080 come up short in other areas didn't make sense to me, 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.399 so I agreed with him or let them letting him go. Look, 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.399 I don't I don't necessarily have the same confidence in 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.480 the offense as you do. Where are the weapons? What weapons? 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:08.200 Who are the weapons? Well, because I mean DeVante Parker 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.920 to me is the go to guy, and and he's 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.720 got to stay healthy. He hasn't really proven that in 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.080 the last couple of years, but that's the guy that's 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:21.000 got to stay healthy. I'm really anxious to see Taekwon Thornton. Yeah, 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.840 my youngest nephew went to school with Taikwon at Baylor, 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.400 all right, so he knew him a little bit. He said. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.040 Taekwon Thornton is a kind of kid where if you 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.560 turn sideways, he'd disappear. He's skinny, okay, but and he's 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.480 got small hands, which you usually don't see with receivers 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.280 that you don't have a good catching game. But for 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.040 a guy that's small hands and slender, he has really 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.160 good stick him. He just he gets the ball he's got. 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.560 So he's got strong hands, even if they are smallish. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.480 I want to see what he can do. Yeah, I 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.200 want to see how well his ability to stretch a defense, 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.200 will pull the rest of the defense out and open 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.400 up the middle of the field. I think this could 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.720 be a bonafide Banner year where the Patriots tight ends 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:08.520 if the receivers do what they're allegedly supposed to do. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.480 That's just my thought. Thornton arguably is the biggest X factor. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.560 Here's the second round pick. All the speed, you know, 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.560 I'm more concerned with what he has between the ears 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.080 than the arms, the hand size, or if he's skinny, 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.480 and obviously I guess you like, I mean, is he durable? 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.960 That'd be a question I have. Will see, but I 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.560 you know, the biggest offseason need has yet to be 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.400 filled in my estimation. Now again, we'll see Thornton, we'll 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.720 see if Parker can stay healthy. But if you look 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.120 at all the teams that were the final eight down 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.800 the stretch last year in that tournament, you know, the playoffs, 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:44.199 all of them had bona fide number one receivers number one. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.840 The Patriots do not. And I feel like that position especially. 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:49.600 I think they hope Parker is going to be there. 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.760 I hope so too. You think he could be I mean, 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.760 I just don't see him being on the level of 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.200 the guys that were there at the end of the 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.560 year last year. Okay, well that may very well be. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.800 It depends on how hell I think the guy states. 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:02.520 All Right, we've opened up a couple of topics here, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.080 so I want to make sure that you can jump 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.280 in on either one or both of the above, or 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.600 anything that we haven't talked about yet. Eight five five 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.400 Pats five hundred is the toll free number. Eight five 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:16.240 five Pats five hundred, web radio at Patriots dot com. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:17.920 If you want to email us, you can hit me 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.719 up on Twitter at jur Broadcaster, or you can hit 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.159 my Facebook page at John dot rook and post your 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:27.959 question there under the show graphic that's on there. If 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.480 you want to vote on the poll, which is the 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:34.520 first thing that we talked about, the poll question is 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.359 is an assigned play caller or coordinator a must have 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.159 or be no big deal? You want to vote, go 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.119 to jur Broadcaster find the poll and you can do that, 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.199 or just call it in and we'll talk about it here. 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:47.600 Because that's the first thing I want to talk about. 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:49.520 We do want to talk about personal issues as well, 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.080 because I think the second major question is in the 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:56.920 aftermath of last month's draft. We've seen all these quote 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:03.000 unquote pundits, media, NFL experts. I'm just like, oh my god, really, 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.439 I'm up to here with it. But it's because I've 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:06.840 been friends with a couple of them for a very 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.280 long time in this business. And most people who listen 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:10.920 to the show know that I've been close with Mel 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.600 Kuiper for a number of years. Haven't been so much 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.520 in the last few years. But at the same time, 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.879 we worked together at ESPN for eleven years and oh gosh, 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.080 the story goes, I almost hired Mel to move off 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.320 to Denver when I was working Possibility as a go 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.760 as a program director at a Denver radio station. This 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.200 has been o where twenty five years ago now, so 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:35.440 we go way back, wow, way back. And Mel originally 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.200 gave the Patriots an F grade for the draft, and 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:41.880 you know it might have been a little bit much. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.359 He came off for that, moved him to a D 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:46.520 and I think his last grade, he moved him to 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.240 a C minus, which is still one of the worst 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.720 grades that I've seen out there from anybody. Okay, we 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:54.080 tried to get Mel on the show, and Mel's unavailable unfortunately, 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:55.560 but I am still going to work on it. I'm 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.480 still gonna try to get him, whether it's next month 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.200 of the month after, I'm gonna get my boy back 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.480 on the show to explain that and let's see, let's 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.040 we'll talk about that process. So my question really is, okay, 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.320 I really kind of dislike letter grades because I don't 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:13.320 think you can sufficiently grade a draft class at all 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.240 unless you give it two or three years of play. 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.280 I'm just not into that. But we're such a you know, 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:23.760 a we need the answer now society. You know, how 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:25.920 do they do? Do you get today? On the draft? Okay, No, 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:33.040 it's very obvious. It's very obvious when people see their 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.600 favorite teams select someone who's being mentioned in the media, 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:38.720 then they feel like they did a good job because 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.240 they're relying upon the few people mel being one of 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:45.000 them who rate these people. They rate these people based 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:49.080 on their overall ability, not necessarily per fit on the team, 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.600 which is why these guys that the Patriots selected last 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.880 month look a bit awkward, because you know, I think 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.840 it's obvious they wouldn't have taken them if the Patriots 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.480 didn't feel like they it. But the one thing that 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.399 just killed the Patriots in public perception. Here is Sean 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.360 mcveigh's reaction. You saw that on social media right where 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.440 he laughed out loud when they took you know, Cole 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.240 Strange in the first round at twenty nine. They traded 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.879 down eight spots from the Raiders spot to take Cole Strange, 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.840 and I'm like, whoa. And of course he had to 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.200 pick up the phone and he called Belichick. He called 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.879 Cole and he had to say, that's not what we meant. 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:27.439 It was a surprise, and you know, it was an 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.760 internal thing, and I know that the impression that we 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.520 left was a bad thing, and you know, I apologize. 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:38.639 What's that It's strange, Yeah, strange is right. So that 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.359 just kind of put in a tired damper to me 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:45.400 on the perception of the Patriots draft. And then people 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.520 thought Taekwon Thornton was a reach. They thought that both 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.200 of the Joneses that they took were both reaches because 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.520 they're small guys. They're little guys, and you don't see 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:57.879 guys of that stature physically really getting taken in the draft. 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.200 They're more like udfas. And you have the Patriots second, 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.080 themb of the third and the fourth rounds. So I'm 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.520 just wondering based on what now has transpired over the 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.680 course of the last month, and what you may have done, 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.000 what you may have seen, what you may have heard about, 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:15.639 and what you've seen about reacting was okay, how do 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.440 you feel about who the Patriots took? Does this help 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.880 your impression? Does it hurt your impression or the chance 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:23.600 of this team? You know? I mean they took speed, 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.280 There's no question about it. Yeah, the Patriots wanted to 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.560 get faster. They got faster based on you know, the 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:33.199 forty times alone. But does a forty time equate to 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.880 football ability? Absolutely not. Now, I'm not saying that guy 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.920 can't play, but it doesn't. Just because you're fast doesn't 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:44.600 mean you can play football. Look, before the draft, I 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:49.280 said this, I said, whatever they do, they have to hit. Okay, 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.439 they have to hit no matter where they go. What 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.320 they picked. Now, did I expect them in the first 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:58.000 round to take a guard? No, I didn't. I expected 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.919 it a guard. I expected him. Okay, So i'm the 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.000 reason is the reasons and then I'll let you finish. 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.560 But the reason is because they want someone that can 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.040 plug and play. That's my term for it. Plug and 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:12.119 play and Cole Strange. Even though the pick was strange, Okay, 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.760 Tennessee Chattanooga kind of off the radar. As Sean McVay 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.400 pointed out, we've been our top hundred, you know. Okay, 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.560 that's fine and all good, but it's a guy that 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.680 the Patriots feel like fits the spot. He has versatility. 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.520 He can play center, he could play tackleliv he's I 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.440 personally expect him, like a few others around here talking 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:35.040 to Greg Badard about this yesterday, in fact, we've expect 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.360 him to move over to center eventually because he's got 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.520 the size to build, the footwork to speed. We think 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.399 that he'll probably come in and end up, you know, 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.560 moving that direction as his career progresses, you know, provided 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.560 you know, he stays healthy and all that kind of stuff. 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:49.200 But he's plug and play. He's immediately in the spot. 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.959 He is a starter, and that's what the Patriots wanted 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.600 to do with the first round pick. Was a starter. 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.440 Now my personal choice, I love that linebacker, the kid 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:02.600 from Utah and you know who had size, speed, God, 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.160 he had all the tools. The Patriots didn't even draft 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.800 a linebacker. No reason. They didn't draft a linebackers because 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.439 they feel like with what they have were kind of 0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.280 red shirts last year, it's enough, and they're gonna give 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.159 these guys like mcgron and Ucha and others a chance 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.800 to play. I hope so, and I hope they come 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.240 through because this is where I really feel like this 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.360 Patriots personnel department, you know, under Matt grow Now, they're 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.520 rolling the dice on this one, which is why they 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.280 didn't go out and get a linebacker. And I feel 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.920 like that's the biggest gamble of all through the draft 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:35.679 thus far. All right, Oh so no, I was just 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.960 gonna say, I agree. I think I think Strange is 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.280 gonna be a hit. I think he's gonna be a 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:41.800 plug and play. I think he's going to be a 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.760 guy that contributes. He's gonna be good at what he 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.760 does all that. But you're never a guard away, you 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.480 know what I mean. So there's that, and I just 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.080 here's the problem last year. You know what, I think 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.200 the Patriots are trying to be last year the two 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.439 thousand and nine New York Jets. I think that's what 0:27:58.440 --> 0:27:59.679 they wanted to be. I think they wanted to be 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.040 ground in pound. I think they wanted to be tough 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.760 defense and have our quarterback make plays. You know, have 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.159 the running game really drive the bus, and then our 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.879 quarterback makes plays when he can off a play action 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.159 or whatever. That's what I think they wanted to be. 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.280 I just don't think in today's NFL you can win 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.200 that way. And the other thing that sort of I 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.760 don't want to say, depresses me. But you talk about 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:22.879 the defense and they need him, you know, playmakers, and 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.040 we'll see who can step up and the if camra 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.320 I mean, that's a lot it's a big ask to 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.879 put a lot of faith in cam a groan that 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.240 he's going to be this game changing talent on the defense. 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.639 But last year, okay, for almost I don't know what, 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.959 seventy five percent of the season, they had the best, 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.920 arguably the best pass rusher in football, and then for 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.920 most of the year the best corner in football. That's 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.600 a problem because guess what happened down the stretch. Your 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.360 defense went a wall. But I mean, what am I 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.240 supposed to do? See here in root for these home 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.440 run hitters to come play in New England? You had 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.320 the best arguably the best pass rusher and the best 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.560 corner and it led you nowhere. The defense was a 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:03.680 joke at the end of the season not even closed 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.200 as because they failed in the middle. That's linebacker, which 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.800 is a spot that they did not improve in the draft. Right, So, 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:10.680 I don't know how I'm supposed to see here say, oh, 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.080 Camera Groan's gonna be back, He's essentially another draft pick 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.600 and feel great. I just don't. Okay, so I the draft, 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.240 we'll see. Thornton is a big X factor. I like 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.480 Jack Jones. I think that you know, based on the Joneses, 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.120 they can contribute special teams, punt returns they're facing, you know, 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.080 I like it on paper, it feels okay, but we 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.480 have no idea whether or not these guys are going 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.680 to be able to come in, get on the field 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.080 and be impact players, which is what this team needs. 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.200 What Mac Jones needs, you you need you need a 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.960 team that can get off the field and provide the 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.120 football to Mac Jones is what you need. Correct And 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.320 right now, I'm not sure what we have there, and 0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:50.520 that's my biggest question mark going in all right again, 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:54.120 eight five five past five hundred Web radio at Pagris 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.920 dot com, at JR Broadcaster Twitter, John dot rog on Facebook. 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:01.080 The poll is up for another hour plus here very 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.600 simply is an assigned play caller or coordinator a must 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.880 have or be no big deal. Register your vote. If 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:09.880 you haven't done that, we'll give you the poll results 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:11.400 at the end of the show. And if you have 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.120 your thoughts on the draft thus far, because at least 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:15.880 on this program, I know the p you guys do it, 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.680 you know, weekly, but we do once a month here 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.480 until the regular season starts. So I'd love to get 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.760 your perspective on what you think about that. Please pick 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.720 up the phone or let's call. Let's talk about that 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.360 a bit. So let's get to the phones, and uh, 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:34.480 Eldrid the North Carolina is up first, Eldred. Hey, then 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.320 mister Legend, how you doing today? What's happening, buddy? I'm 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:44.000 doing just getting off. You're off the road? Oh what 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.640 did he do? Did he hang up? He hung up? 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.000 I'm not Oh there you are? Okay? All right? Good 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:55.400 good good yea oh oh oh, so you drive A 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.520 I was gonna ask you that. I was really gonna 0:30:57.520 --> 0:30:59.120 ask you that. I was very interested to know what 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.720 you drove over the year eighteen wheel you know, so 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:07.800 what so it's a comment what year Camaro RF and 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:12.720 I got a two thousand and two Formula fiber. Oh 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:18.440 two thousand and two vintage. Yeah, let's lie still run 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.479 one hundred and fifty miles an hour. Two. When I 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.520 was a kid, Eldrid, you'll appreciate this. When I was 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:28.080 a kid, and I said, kid, teenager, my cousin had 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:32.400 a sixty nine Shelby Cobra, you know, with a with 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:38.920 a with a tea bar across the top, right. But 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:44.560 it was, it was. It was the most unbelievable meat 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.600 wagon I think I've ever been in in my entire life. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:50.120 It was unbelievable. I mean, that was it was. That 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.520 was a privilege and an honor to cruise in that one, 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.960 cruise the av in that one, because that's what everybody 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:56.920 does in you know, Fall River, they cruise the av 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.960 But only all they ever had was a fire bird 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.760 in the Camaro. Even when I went in the military, 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.560 love it. I try to get a Burt Reynolds look alike. Yeah, 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.560 you know, the bandit. The guy wouldn't sell it to 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.600 me because I was on the age and I was 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:15.880 in the military of going to a ym hold on. 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.720 I couldn't mean I'm above agents to serve the country. 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:22.440 But I couldn't buy the car, so you end up 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.440 getting one later on. I like it, all right, So 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.880 you got the sports car thing going on. Good for you, 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.920 Good for you. Keep a little bit of that you involved. 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.040 I liked that. Yeah, I liked it too good. Yes, 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:38.840 but uh, your your pole question, and uh, I told 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.360 you in the beginning. I get my F on the draft. Yeah, 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.760 because a sense of need and the person you took 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.920 because we were at twenty one, well, really you needed 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:49.600 a wire recet even in a corner. All right, But 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.200 what makes it an F is it? Does it make 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.280 it an F because you didn't know about the players 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.160 that they chose? Or is it more about the positions 0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:59.720 they selected, the position they selected and the players. Well, 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.040 but they need but eld, I'm just playing. Hey, I'm 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.640 just playing Devil's advocate here, so I'm just gonna be okay, okay, 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:08.760 But didn't they need speed? They need to speed? They 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.880 got that at guard. They don't need speed at guard. 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.160 It's a guard. Okay, but you got a guard. You 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.280 had corners six to one, but they still needed a guard. 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:19.760 But they still needed a guard. Right to get a 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:21.840 guard in the third and the fourth round, you can 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.000 you have to go first round for a guard. Well, frankly, 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:27.160 I think that may have been where Cold Strange should 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.080 have been. I would agree with some of that assessment. 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.120 But at the same time, they when you like a 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.600 player and he's gonna be gone by the time you 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.280 get there, there's a tendency to go ahead and take 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.760 the player, and I think that's what happened in Strange's case. 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.400 You see what I'm saying happen. But but then again, 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.800 like I said, again, you needed corners and you did 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.920 number one. Well, I agree with the corner. The top 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.400 receiver was gone except for Watson. Watson was still there, 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.120 Mitchie was there, but you had two corners, you had Booth, 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:59.600 you had mcgrie or whatever, guy from Auburn, and you 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.520 also Gordon. They were still there. They went in the 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.520 second round, ye, and then he don't get a guard 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.200 and then Thornton's okay. But I would have took Watson 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.479 because that's when green Bay got him into what later 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.080 the second round after we did after you know, we 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.880 could have got him that speed. But that guys is 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.879 in one of a little bit better tournament, a better 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:24.840 organization whatever, And I'm like, you know, better league but Thornton. 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:26.960 I liked Thorton. I liked thought. You know, I saw 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:31.040 some of his highlights and stuff, and I'm I'm from 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.680 hoping he does be the home run threat, the one receiver, 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.400 but he's a rookie. Gotta come in and and getting 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.359 back to those corners, okay, even though you didn't get 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:41.840 the top ones. And then I said, they was in 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.279 the second round where you got Booth and and the 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.440 other guy. Okay, there was more corners there, but you 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.440 got five eight five nine, And like I said, you 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.480 might have some speed, but a five eight five nine 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.640 guys ain't gonna dodd run against the six two sixty 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.640 three receivers who got speed two because all they gotta 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.080 do is throwed up because you sure ain't gonna get 0:34:58.160 --> 0:34:59.680 up there to get it. Okay, you got a ladder 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.719 in the air. Okay, all right, that's fair. You ain't 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.560 gonna get that. What do you think? And what do 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.640 you think? What do you think about the poll question? Overall? 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.080 You know the whole uh gotta have a coordinator or 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:12.960 no big deal. You gotta have a coordinator. Okay, I'll 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.960 tell you why, tell you why. Jones is a second 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.359 second year he's a rookie, you know, you just come 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.719 out from the office rookie year. So he don't know 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.440 what the ends out yet, you know. And Joe Judge 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.799 and and for Matt Patricia do not inspire me one bit, 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.120 not one because they never did it. So if you 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:31.799 get in a situation now, I don't know what played 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:33.160 the call, just that to get him out. You know. 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.560 That's why Josh McDaniels so successful, and that's why Charlie 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.360 Wise was, That's why Davo was and why he's in 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.200 the Giants now. And he did, like I said, Brain, Brain, 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.719 what your call around the Buffalo quarterback? And I wish 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.480 we would have got Dable, but David got the head 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:52.400 coach job, you know, and Bill Billy O'Brien would be 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.080 there because you know what he's doing. He's been there. 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.760 The guys ain't been there, only been his defensive special 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:01.279 team coach. And you can have somebody in Matt here. 0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.440 I don't care now if that was Brady six years ago, 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.160 they say this year Brady, Brady don't need him. You 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.400 know the playbook, he know no ends out. You know, 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.000 it's getting me an out of in and out of place. 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.440 Would be successful. Matt don't know that yet and need 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:20.120 to do petition judge because they never did it. Okay, 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.480 and that's definite my argument. Okay, you know, I think, 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.640 I yeah, I think I understand it. I just I'm 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.680 not sure. I mean, I'm just I'm i mean, well, 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:31.680 obviously nobody sure yet, but I really believe there's there's 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:35.200 something to them. I think there's something to the factor 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.840 that Bill is. As he's progressed here in his tenure, 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.160 he's got fewer and fewer people over the years that 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.960 challenge him to the point now where nobody on that 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.320 staff is challenging him. And I'm Mark said that earlier. 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:51.720 I mean, I'm not sure that that's necessarily a good thing. Mark. Yeah, okay, Okay, 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:53.960 I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. But the 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:55.719 fact of the matter is the man's been here for 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.600 twenty one, twenty two years, and he's probably earned that 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:00.600 right to sort of live and die. I'm not sword 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:05.319 yeah he has, but again, it's better go ahead. I'm sorry, sir, 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.840 I mean to cut your mister legend. Yeah, I wouldn't 0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.040 wint over this before. I'm gonna tell you again, twenty 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.680 years he had the greatest quarterback they ever played. He's 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:17.320 been in that sintem with twenty one years. But knew it. Okay, 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.560 all right, but so you're telling me you wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.319 hold on, hold on. So you're telling me you think 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.879 Bill relies on Tom Brady's talent to take him where 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.799 he wins. You know what, Like I said, I never 0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:30.719 seen nobody said they're gonna blank play play playing against Bill. 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.600 Bill Belichick always gets Tom Brady. We gotta stop Brady 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.080 in what you com ain't nobody said we got to 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.520 stop Bill Belichick. But they do give his off and 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.960 off the late and I said, they both went together. 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:43.920 But like I said, at the end of the day, 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.840 it's the player the coaching coach. In any stout, he 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.359 won't to and put to any plays or whatever scheme 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.080 you put in. But if you ain't got the right 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.880 person to do it, you're just a coach holding the clipboard. Example, 0:37:55.480 --> 0:38:01.120 first year Brady left and last year in the beat. Okay, okay, 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.520 all right, I see your point. I see your point. 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:04.839 I'm not sure I agree with it, but I think 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:06.400 that's why I like you, Eldred, because we don't have 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:14.040 to agree. We don't, mister Leo, are you I was 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.440 gonna say yes, since since yeah, I figured you probably 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.520 would be figured I probably would be. Hey, Eldred, I'm 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.400 just gonna I'm gonna ask you a sort of a 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.839 production question right here on the air, all right, for 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:26.520 everybody to hear, because didn't we talk at one time 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.440 about you doing like a truck driving tip of the 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:32.719 week or something? What do we talk about? I was 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:37.840 talking about people getting off lanes, Eldred, Yeah, yeah, Eldred, 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:41.920 Eldred's driving tip of the week. All right, are you? 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:46.319 Are you still up for that? Okay? All right, good, Okay, 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.279 that's what we're gonna do. So I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.600 have a marine reach out to you, Okay, all right, 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.640 I'm gonna have him reach out to you, and we're 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:55.919 gonna come up with that idea. And I think that'll 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:57.440 be a kind of a fun thing to do, because 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.840 as anybody who listens to this show, even semi regularly, 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:02.320 they know that you drive a truck for a living, 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:03.960 you know, and that if you're you know, on the 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.160 highway somewhere in uh North Carolina, you need to get 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:08.440 the hell out of your way. I think we all 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:16.040 understand that, right exactly, cause I'll run you over, good good, 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.480 all right, so right, so, and I think we can 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.359 all use a little you know, a little freshen up 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.279 and a little tip you know behind the wheel, you know, 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.600 when we're all commuting and religion to our our favorite 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.120 shows or our favorite pods or hopefully you know, Patriots 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.680 playbook or something like that. Right, so I'll have marine 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.520 reach out. I think we're gonna I think we're gonna 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.560 work on that. Yes, And we also got idiots as 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.440 truck drivers. I admit that too. Nice. You know, we 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.040 got a bunch of old good old oh man, why 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:45.080 I did do moment, but they do perfect. But the 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.720 biggest hip I can give everybody. Okay, if you're coming 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.400 off a ramp and the trucks in the right lane, 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.400 and if you're a little bit ahead of them, speed 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.120 up please because we can't stop. We got forty three 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.160 or forty four thousand pounds behind us, and we can't 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:00.960 get over to the left because it's got people on 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:02.960 the left. When they see you coming down the ramp, 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.040 they want to stay there. They don't want to move, 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.399 they want to stay there. So we can't get over 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:09.520 and we might slow down a little bit. Just speed up. 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.680 If you got running, you out running, but don't get 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:14.759 there and stop like one he tied the other day 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.600 and almost eat it. But don't do that. I think 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:20.719 that's the first tip of the day. Right there. We're 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.600 gonna walk it up. We're gonna we're gonna rock it. 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.520 I love it, I love it. Yes, you're the man. 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.120 All right. You have a good mister Lindon. Thanks buddy, 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.160 good talking to you. Yeah you too, Thanks buddy, appreciate it. Uh, 0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.799 Elder in North Carolina. Let's get uh, let's get Todd 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.359 in North Carolina also in here. Hey Todd, how you doing? 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.319 Not bad? I talk to you a while, mister John. 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.640 I'm glad that you picked up the phone to give 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:50.400 us a buzz. What are your thoughts, buddy, uh about 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.560 where the team is and all the coaching blah blah blah. 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.399 This is a wait and see. We can argue both 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.040 sides of whatever you want, and it's gonna mean a 0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.040 hill of beans because if it works out, we'll all 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.120 be like, yeah, we're too, says. Look, we told you 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:02.600 not to worry. Vote. If it doesn't work out, we're 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.200 gonna be all geniuses. Oh look, we told you it 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.239 wasn't gonna work out. I got to wait and see. 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.000 Yeah we do. That's all you can do. Yeah, I 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.200 totally agree with that. I just that's why the whole 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:13.800 the whole issue of oh we got to get a 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.759 grade out? How do the Patriots great in the draft 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:17.640 and everything I'm I'm seeing all this. I mean, my 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.360 own personal thought is, you know, if I, you know, 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.440 held the loaded gun, you know, you know, up to 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:26.960 my noggin, I would probably say, all right, see and 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.719 the reason I maybe maybe we had to hold a 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.520 low good gun tier nogginet you to talk. Come on, John, 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:34.919 that's also true. But I would tell you I would 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.040 probably I would tell you, you know, I really kind 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:40.240 of think that. Look, the whole thing is ridiculous because 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.200 you just you don't know, like I said, until you've 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.359 had a year, two years, even three years. You got 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:48.759 to get these guys coming off the rookie contracts to 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.080 where you have to make a decision is whether or 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.919 not you want to extend them sign them to another deal. 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.960 If you do, then obviously that that guy's gonna grade 0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.560 in a is he not? If he's worth a second 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.560 contractor you're gonna grade him in A yeah, especially considering 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.200 they don't give out many of those haven't exactly, so 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.279 that would be an A plus in mind regard, right, 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:09.239 Or if you trade him away and you're able to 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.840 get something in return for him of equal greater value, 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.759 that's also gonna, to me, gonna be an A. So 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:20.880 the process my point here, the process is not finished. 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.439 It's not over. It's just begun. So all of these 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.319 grading that you see about the Draft, and I don't 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:28.840 care who it is, I would have said this or 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:32.399 the Patriots it graded in A plus. It's not over, 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:36.280 and it's it's it's disingenuous to grade it now because 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:40.280 there's no way. It's like, it's like judging an election 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.439 with only ten out of a thousand precincts reporting. That's 0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:48.080 all it is, and that's ridiculous. Nobody judges an election 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.080 on that. Ulet's say, where's your NBC? But they like 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:52.279 to do that all the time, you know, And of 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:56.400 course ANBC doesn't hold exclusive on that one either, CBS, ABC, CNN, 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:58.480 they all do it. They all do it, right, So 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:06.960 digress go. So Andy kind of lost his podcast to 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.759 the Cult of the Young and oh yeah, yeah, and 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:14.760 I'm kind of noticing that more and more that all 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.080 across it doesn't matter what you know, where are your 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.759 backgrounds from them? You're ben is turning into the cult 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.080 of the young. And why do you think Don Daro's here? 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:28.720 Why do you think Don Darro's here? Cult of the young? Sorry, 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:35.319 I'm just hey, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no. 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:37.879 You know. I think part of that is is because look, 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.160 every so often, you just you go through a wave 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.920 of change, and it happens in this business. Mark and 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:45.840 I both know this because we've been a part of 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:50.520 that change several times in our careers. And the people 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.840 that survive and thrive and move on are able to 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:57.200 sort of, you know, reinvent themselves and repurpose themselves. And 0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.319 you know, like I just got through, you know, repurposing 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.080 my own website and all that kind of stuff because 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.440 I know it needed a big update. We all need updates. 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.239 Programming needs updating too. And you need to be able 0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:09.680 to hear, I think also from different voices who sometimes 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:15.200 carry different tenor different tone, different attitudes, different opinions. You 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.319 need to hear from different voices in order to make 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.359 up your own mind. Yourself. I don't want somebody to 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.440 tell me how to think. What I want is to 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.040 hear a bunch of different opinions and then I think 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.440 I like that when or I side more with that guy. 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.600 That's what you need, and I think that's what the 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:36.000 educated fan listener and even media people, this is what 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.440 they need to do more of. It's one thing to 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.680 just kind of spout opinion because you think this, well 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:44.319 what do you think this based on what? And that's 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:46.480 why the whole that's why, the whole thing on the 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.640 draft just drives me crazy. I mean, within like twenty 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.719 minutes of a pick being taken, Oh that's an A 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:55.640 plus grade for the Las Vegas Raider. Come on, what 0:44:55.920 --> 0:45:00.880 is that? You're just pandering, You're just The new podcast 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:04.040 doesn't do analysis. It does sensationalism. It trash is Andy, 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.520 It trashes parts of the team. Well, of course they do, 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.239 because that's what they because that's what the younger That's 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.880 what I think a lot of younger listeners want, is 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:18.840 they want the trashing stuff. No, I'm old, I'm yeah, 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:23.200 that's exactly right from my own you know, I understand 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.239 that I get that, but it's okay, that's what they're 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:28.879 they're trying to appeal to a different demo. So if 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:33.120 you're old ish, I'll say just ish Todd, because I'm 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.560 I'm right there with you, Okay, then catching you because 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.839 you know fifty five with the six year old? John, 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.960 trust me, I'm John for every two months to go 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:45.640 buy fifty five with a six year old. God bless you. 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:47.960 I don't know how you do that. I don't know either. 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.320 Holy crap, I'm old enough with a six year old. Yeah, 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:54.160 and six year olds they do add ten years to 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:55.960 every month, don't they. I remember when I'm a lot 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:57.520 going on there with Yeah, there's a lot going on 0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.000 with a six year old. Like I hadn't been that 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:00.480 long ago since I had a six year old. Yea, 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.400 well it's been twenty one years since I had a 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.719 six year old. Um, the rookie is twenty seven, and 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:07.920 you know, and he and he was nuts too when 0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.200 he was six too, But he was all about baseball 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.359 back there. That's all he had, baseball, you know, That's 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.560 all he had here. All right. So here's the thing. 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.960 Find the programs that you like. If you like more 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.640 of the information based, that's great, go to that and look, 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.200 we try to do a little bit of that here, 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.120 and and and and we try to mix in a 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:27.640 little bit of fun with it, and we want to 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.759 bring in a little extra pinion with it and and 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.480 that kind of thing, because we know that you're not 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:34.960 going to be everything to everybody. You can't be. And 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:37.600 I think that's where a lot of podcasts and a 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.319 lot of radio programs these days lose sight when they 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.160 failed to connect with their listening audience and fail to 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:47.399 recognize who their true listening audience really is. And I know, 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.600 at least I've been told by people like Hu Todd 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.160 that our listening audience here does still want meat and potatoes. 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.640 I mean, it's one thing to sit here and kind 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.759 of joke amongst each other and you know, talk about 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:00.560 what we're having for lunch and all that kind of stuff. 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.360 And I and I kid the Peu guys because I 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:04.959 love them, but they want to you know, I think 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.799 most people, at least savvy fans, want a little bit 0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.319 more substance. And so that's why on this program, we 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.360 try to bring in people that can provide that substance 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.720 so we can talk about it. That's all. Nope, that's great. 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.920 Exactly what You've got knowledgeable listeners, and it's interesting. Your 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.360 guests are amazing, and that's why I tune into you, 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.319 and I keep telling them. At least you should be 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.360 a couple of times a month, hopefully, and well, I 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.799 appreciate that, and if I can work my schedule out 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:31.600 one of these days, then we'll try to extend it 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:33.759 out a little bit. But you know, unfortunately, with all 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:35.640 the other stuff that I do, it gets to be 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.279 a little bit difficult. But I'm happy to connect and 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:43.240 hopefully absence makes the heart grow fonder. Take care of John. Okay, okay, 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:47.000 thanks Todd, appreciate you. Todding with Carolina. All right, can 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:48.520 you hang around for a few minutes? Yeah, I get 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.640 some time, all right. Good. So Martin Dundero from w 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.560 EI is here. I also want to bring into the 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:56.280 program another gentleman from w EI who not only writes 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.720 for Wei dot com, but appears many times, multiple times 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:04.200 and platforms multiple programs on w EI Radio in Boston, 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:08.720 the one and only uh jumble Heart Andy Hart himself, bighead. 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:12.680 What's happening, Hi, guys? What's going on? How you doing? Andy? 0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.399 Beautiful day? How could I be doing anything other than great? 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:18.160 I know that's the only reason why I'm not happy 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.439 to be in the studio because the weather's actually kind 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:24.600 of turned right now. Well, you know, sure it's always 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:27.960 sunny in here with Marine Madden here. You know, wow, 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:33.640 I know, right, yeah, you knew he had to play 0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.400 that one, Okay, Andy, right off the top and you started. 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.000 You wrote a little bit about this on on the 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:42.280 EI dot com as well, about Bill and the coaching 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.799 staff and whether or not you know, he's got too 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:48.160 much of a quote unquote controlling interest, and that's, you know, 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.399 part of the reason why you know, I figured you'd 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.799 have a good, strong opinion on this one, and that's 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:54.640 why we want it. The poll question, again for those 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:56.919 that might be tuning into the live program a little 0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:01.040 bit later on, is very simple here, but largely is 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.520 is an assigned play caller or coordinator a must have 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.960 or be no big deal? So I'm going to ask you, Andy, 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:12.680 you know which is it and why I think it's 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:16.120 must have? And I think Bill Belichick has kind of 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:19.520 admitted that at various points over the years, and I mean, hell, 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:21.600 I think he kind of said it earlier this week. 0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.520 He was pretty definitive in some of his answers, even 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.800 if it wasn't his forthcoming as maybe some of us 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:28.759 in the media or the fandom would have liked. But 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.520 you know, when I asked him, you know, does a 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:33.319 guy need to know when he's going to have that 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.680 role at a certain point so he can prepare properly 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.160 training camp for preseason And he said, yeah, sure, And 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:40.759 then I asked him, well, do you have a date 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.400 in mind when that's going to be And he said nope. 0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.840 So I mean he tells you right there that that guy, 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.120 you know, you can't just go willy nilly. I mean 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:53.520 there are certain I think fundamental necessities. And as much 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:57.120 as he mocked calling plays in mini camp, he has 0:49:57.160 --> 0:49:59.759 over the years talked about the art that is play 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.960 called calling and you know, the feel and the experience 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:07.040 of it and setting up plays and series and you know, 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:08.680 I mean, I think it was last year when he 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:11.400 went over the top praising Josh McDaniels, comparing him to 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:15.000 Nick Saban among coaches, and some of the things he did. 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.919 So now I think he values that role. Now if 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.439 he doesn't have the perfect person for the job, does 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:24.959 he figure out another way to do it? Sure? And 0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:26.960 I think that's one of his great strengths is not, 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:30.640 you know, forcing a square peg into a round hole. 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:32.920 He'll try to find a couple of round pegs that 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.960 maybe fit together in that hole. So no, I think 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:38.920 it's a necessity. And I think even more so obviously 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:41.319 we've talked about this. It's Mac Jones year two, and 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.239 you know he's in the prime time of his development years, 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.160 and Robert Kraft has put a lot of importance on 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:48.440 what this year is for Mac Jones. And you know 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:50.960 the year two jump that Bill Belichick always talks about. 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:54.520 So there's a lot of factors at play here. But yes, 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:58.400 I think the short answer to conclude my long answer 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:02.200 is you absolutely have to have a play caller. Okay, well, 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.520 neither one of us really agrees with you on that one, 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:08.719 but you know it's because timing is everything. I can 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.560 understand why he would want to not do that now 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.480 because maybe he's trying guys out. Maybe you agree or 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:17.640 disagree with that. I'm not sure that you need to 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:24.640 have one guy as the as the chief play caller 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.239 at this time. It's Look, it's convenient if you can 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:29.440 have it, especially if you know you have somebody that 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.440 can do it. But if you've got to develop that position, 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.200 if you realize that the guy that you really wanted 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:38.160 is still under contract I e. Bill O'Brien somewhere else, Okay, 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.440 then maybe you have to figure out how to develop 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.960 that from within. Does that not make sense? No? I 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.920 think it does. But I still say, somebody's calling the 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:50.160 plays this year, and that person I'd rather have more 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.680 preparation times than less because right in what you just said, John, 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:56.600 you're admitting the person's not ideal. You're not even sure 0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:59.040 they can do the job. So I think they need 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:02.120 more prep time to get comfortable. And I would also say, well, 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.120 is it possibly he is it possible to Andy that 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.480 he thinks both guys can do the job, but he 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.759 just wants to see who is a better fit, you know, 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:12.520 for the round hole that's there. Anything's possible. I know, 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.520 I'm never closed minded. I think anything is possible. Um. 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:18.640 I do generally believe in the old cliche in sports, 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:21.160 if if you have two quarterbacks you have none, you 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.400 have two shortstops you have none, Like generally, you know, 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.919 all things are not equal. You have a guy who's better, 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:31.120 better suited, better skills, better, whatever. Um So yeah, I don't. 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.759 I find it hard to believe that Joe. If it 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:35.919 is indeed Joe, Judge and Matt Patricia, let's say, because 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:37.880 I'm I don't know for a fact that it is. 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:39.759 It could still be Bill Belichick that he's planning to 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.799 do it himself for my guy, Nick Kayley could still 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:44.839 be the dark horse candidates. See, that's wh why, that's 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.920 why things gonna end up getting it just as a 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.399 as a as an outlandist prediction here, I think they're 0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:54.560 actually using Judge. Here's here's the mystery of my madness here. 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:57.120 I think they're using Judge in Patricia smokescreens to take 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:59.000 the heat off of mckkaylick. So let me ask you 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.719 this real quick, Andy, if it is in fact some 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.799 sort of competition, which I don't actually hate. If they're competing, 0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:07.279 I think for a time that could be productive. But 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.280 if it is a competition, based on what you're thinking, 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.600 when would they need to name a winner? Well, you know, 0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:14.279 when will the guy that's actually going to be calling 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:16.400 the plays have to step in and start, you know, 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:20.000 calling a place that's fair? I think by training camp. 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.360 I think when you return for training camps, so you 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.800 know you get through these OTAs, you get through Mini camp, 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.480 and then there's whatever that is a month long break 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.480 where everybody kind of goes to Nantucket vacations. When you 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.640 return from that. I think the person calling the plays 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:35.960 should know. I think the person no longer calling the 0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:38.640 players should know. And I think Mac Jones should know 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:41.799 and start to hear that voice on a play by 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.400 play daily basis inside his helmet. So yeah, I'm not 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.839 saying it's it's the sky is falling that they don't 0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:51.680 They haven't announced a play caller right now, but I 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:54.000 think you are running out of time. You're you're under 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.440 two months here to figure out who's going to do 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:58.839 that and how that's going to play out. And John 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.840 In terms of Nick Hayley, I was all on the 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:05.000 Nick Kayley bandwagon. I wrote a column I don't know, 0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:09.400 maybe a month ago now at Patricia is Cam Newton 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:13.080 like he's the distraction? Is Mac Jones? Yes, yep, And 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:16.960 I still would love to see that. I still would 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:19.640 if I were in this situation, I would give Nick 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.239 Kayley a chance, even if it's in you know, the 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.080 scenario you painted that maybe Bill O'Brien is the option 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:27.640 next year. I like the young guy who's been in 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:31.280 Josh McDaniel's meeting rooms every single day for five years 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:33.399 and come up the traditional way through the off end. 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.400 My only concern is the other day at OTA's, he 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.319 looked very much like just a tight ends coach. He 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.880 was kind of off to the sideline with his position groups, 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:46.160 just sort of running in rotating bodies, and did not 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:51.000 appear to have any more significant voice than that. While 0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:54.359 we were watching Judge, Patricia and Belichick have a more 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:58.000 significant voice. So I'll still hold out. How hope for it, John, 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.080 that you and I get our watch, But well, I 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.400 don't feel great. I would yeah, and I can understand 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:07.600 why that the first impression would be somewhat misleading. I 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.160 still believe there's something to look Maybe he's trying to 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.080 simply figure out who could best work with Nick and 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:16.319 then who could worst best work with Mac on top 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.439 of that, because I think they feel like that's got 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.480 to be the future. Because I don't think either one 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.600 of those guys really wants to be a quote unquote coordinator. 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.120 I think both of those guys won't eventually be head 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:28.360 coaches again. Now, whether they get there or not is 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:31.680 subject to conjecture, and most of it's probably negative at 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:34.200 the stage of the game anyway, But they both have 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:37.400 they both have a lot of work to do in 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.560 terms of healing their own professional resumes. This is a 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:42.239 chance for them to do that, and they know that 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:43.879 they have to work and do that, and they can 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.640 have some success under Bill Belichick, then quite frankly, they're 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.600 going to get a shot somewhere else with somebody. Yeah. 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.520 I mean, if they succeed in any sort of significant 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:55.680 role on offense, even if it's not play caller and coordinator, 0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:58.840 that is going to go a long way to rehab 0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:01.600 their image and buff up their resumes, because I mean, 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:04.400 you're talking about some pretty unique opportunities. This doesn't come 0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.959 along all that often where special teams coach turned head 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:12.279 coach turned major offensive assistant, QB's coach and you know, 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:15.200 longtime defensive coordinator is now an offensive line coach. So 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:18.839 if they find success in whatever offensive roles they may 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.879 have moving forward, I do think that will will help 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:24.400 them get more opportunities moving forward in their career and 0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:27.479 seeking head coaching opportunities down the road. Maybe you guys 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.760 had had a story on the website as well, earlier 0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:32.960 today that I glanced at. It'll look at some of 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:35.520 the numbers, but just to sort of paraphrase what it said, 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:40.160 based on the numbers, a lot of the teams that 0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:46.719 haven't had definitive play callers have actually fared pretty well. Yeah, 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:49.719 I think that is a possibility. Like there, I think 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:51.799 new ideas can be good. I mean, there were a 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:53.320 lot of fans in New England. John, I'm sure you 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:55.760 took a lot of emails and calls that had grown 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.919 tired of Josh McDaniels, that would coonize him, no doubt 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:01.239 on a weekly basis, didn't think he was good at 0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:04.040 his job. And are not lamenting a weekly bitch session. 0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:06.520 You know that he was on this show, on the 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:08.799 other show. You know, you guys have been doing that 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.279 for years. We all questioned Josh because he was the 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.400 play caller. But he withstood it, he took it, he 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:17.080 developed from it, He did a better job than a 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:19.000 bad job, and now he's a head coach in the 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.640 NFL again. It worked out for him right, And I 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.520 find it hard to believe that people could really strongly 0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:27.720 dislike Josh McDaniels. The year after he had a Pro 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:30.240 Bowl rookie quarterback who led the team back to the postseason. 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:33.200 I mean, however, you believe he managed that. I mean, 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:37.120 given the talent and given the green nature of the position, 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.680 that was an impressive team accomplishment. That was an impressive 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:45.080 Josh McDaniels accomplishment. But there's also this idea, and Robert 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:49.600 Kraft promoted this, that there's room for some schematic changes 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:53.440 in ways that they can take advantage of untapped talent 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:57.400 on this offense. And you know, new ideas and change 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.600 aren't always bad. If a guy who's new play call 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:03.640 or do offensive mind whether it's judge Patricia Kayley, the 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.640 combination of the three, if they can get John U. 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.439 Smith to look like a weapon, well that's a boon 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:12.800 right there. And if maybe they get Mac Jones more 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:17.560 comfortable in a RPO based scheme but he ran at Alabama, 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:21.760 well that might be a successful trend right there. So yeah, 0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:24.880 we're fixating on names and roles and bodies, but there's 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:28.160 also I think a schematic opportunity here to grow the offense, 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.800 change the offense, and maybe find a way to be 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:32.720 as productive or more productive than it's been over the 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:35.640 last couple of years. So there's a schematic opportunity, which 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.439 I agree with, But I'm wondering just from obviously there's 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:40.520 a lot of uncertainty right now a long you know, 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:44.600 with that position. Associated with that position, are you Andy 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:47.920 more concerned as we go forward here into the darkness 0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:51.440 or whatever you want to call it, with the I 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:55.440 don't know Mac Jones's ability to develop under this new 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:58.240 guy or what you were just talking about the schematic 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:02.240 aspect to being an offensive coordinator, which concerns you more 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:04.080 that the new coordinator is not going to be able 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:06.520 to get Jones to be at his best, or he's 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.560 going to call a bad play on third and five, 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:11.840 third and seven in the first second week of the season. No, 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:16.080 it's it's the development one hundred. I do think play 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.360 calling is overrated. I know Bill said that the other 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:20.960 day people talked about you know, he said, the execution 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:22.640 of a play is more important than the calling of 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:26.840 the play. I remember years ago Cam Cameron, the longtime 0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:30.680 coordinator for the Ravens, the Chargers, Dolphins, had a lot 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:34.200 of success and he believed the most overrated thing in 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:36.240 all of football was the play call. And that's a 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:38.840 guy that made a million dollars a year back then 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:42.600 as a play caller, an offensive play caller. So I 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:46.400 think it's about talent and execution, and it's about developing talent. 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:50.280 And I think the way this offense is built there 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:53.280 the development of Mac Jones and his ability to be 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.720 timely in his read and utilize his strength of accuracy 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:59.840 and smart. He doesn't have a go to grunk, you know, 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.240 he doesn't have a last third and seven. I'm just 1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:04.160 going to throw it to Gronk or Edelman. No, no no, no, 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.600 He's going to have to go through his reads. Fine 1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:10.800 matchups really utilize what I think is a relatively deep 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:15.040 group of complimentary talents, but no real A listers so 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:18.120 to speak, or pro bowlers are all pros. So yeah, 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:20.600 I you know, Mike gi already tweeted something out. He 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:22.720 talked to a defensive coach in the league, and that 1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:26.600 coach talked about, you know, the in game coaching of 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:30.080 Mac Jones and that hip to hip Josh McDaniel's role 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:33.320 on the bench in between series and plays, and I 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:37.320 think that's going to be huge, and that relationship, the 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:41.360 nuances of that relationship, the nuances of that coaching, That's 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:45.080 where I think the biggest questions come. And I mean, 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:47.919 it looks like Joe Judge, regardless of how everything plays out, 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:50.000 it looks like Joe Judge as the quarterbacks coach. He 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:54.120 has studies the quarterbacks coach basically, So that role Joe 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:57.439 Judge and Mac Jones. I think that's the most important role. 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:00.000 And you're right, probably more important than who is actually 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:02.960 voicing the play call on third and seven and at 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.240 the twenty seven yard line. Is it helpful for Mac 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:07.320 at this stage a game to have so much criticism 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:09.680 of Joe Judge. I mean, because I don't know if 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:13.160 you listen to you know, you know, talk radio around 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:16.120 these parts, as you well know, I don't think anybody 1:01:16.120 --> 1:01:19.840 thinks Joe Judge can tie his shoelaces. You're right. I 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:23.640 actually think that the criticism of Judge and Patricia has 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:28.120 reached unfair levels, not just locally but even nationally. Orlovsky 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:31.120 and his rants has said these are two failed coaches. No, 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:34.240 they're failed head coaches, right, they were actually pretty damn 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:38.280 well accomplished coaches as his original role, ye correct, development Right? 1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:42.080 So yeah, but your other question, Yeah, I think Mac 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:44.360 Jones is in kind of a no lose situation. I 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:47.320 think if he struggles in year two, all the fingers 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:50.120 will point to Joe Judge, Bill Belichick, Matt Patricia and 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:54.040 an inft coaching staff that lost Josh McDaniels. If he succeeds, 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:57.200 it'll be about, Wow, this kid's good. He didn't even 1:01:57.200 --> 1:02:00.560 really have offensive coaches and he took a big jump, right, 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:04.200 no loose scenario, that's true, perfect right, perfect. It's taking 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:08.080 the pressure off of mac Jones in year two, which is, 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:11.320 by the way, chit ching. It is exactly the year 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:14.720 year two that we supposedly see the most improvement. Correct. Ye, 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:19.080 So it's sort of genius like he has an excuse, 1:02:19.120 --> 1:02:21.560 he has an out. But if they do find success 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:23.880 and he grows and improves him last year, it's all 1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:26.920 about how good Mac Jones is. Win win man. I 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:31.240 think we just unlocked the key to BB. I think 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:33.520 we just figured it out right here right now on 1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:36.520 this very program. That's Bill Belichick in a nutshell. So 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:40.720 I think Mac Jones is if he's a stud, he's 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:42.200 going to be a study. I don't want to minimize 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:43.920 the offensive coordinator position, but if he's going to be 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:46.160 a study, he's going to be a stud if he's 1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:47.400 not going to be a stud, or if he's going 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.160 to be a bust, which we don't think he is. 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.200 But if he was going to be one, he was 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:53.480 going to be one. And I don't think the offensive 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:57.480 coordinator really mattered. Andy. Do you think that if Jones 1:02:57.560 --> 1:02:59.720 can play, he's going to find a way to elevate 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:01.920 his game. I mean, y're two, regardless of who the 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:06.880 offensive coordinator is. No, because I'm a big believer that 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.600 someone like Brian Dable played a key role in the 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:13.040 development of Josh Allen. And Josh Allen is probably one 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:16.560 of the five most talented, physically gifted quarterbacks that come 1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:19.240 into the NFL in the last five or ten years, 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:22.720 and I think he needed a guy like Brian Dable 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:26.960 with immense experience calling plays, developing quarterbacks offenses all over 1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:30.200 the league. I think he needed Dable by his side 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:33.439 to help him become an MVP candidate and a guy 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.320 that could lead his team to a Super Bowl. So 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:38.560 I'm with you in a sense that I'm a big believer. 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:41.400 I've always said special is special. They'll find you. You'll 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:44.000 do it. You're special if you're But I don't know 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:47.880 that next tier like that just really good tier. No. 1:03:48.080 --> 1:03:50.520 I think that needs some coaching and some development and 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.600 some help and some coaxing. And I think that's where 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:57.120 Mac Jones will be at a crossroads this year next 1:03:57.200 --> 1:04:00.120 year is does he take the next step or he 1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:02.920 just kind of live in that middling world of the 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:07.919 NFL with Jimmy Garoppolo and comb. This is why, if 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:11.200 that's the case, I don't know what Bill Belichick's doing, okay, 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:15.360 because if he obviously knows how important a good coordinator 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:18.480 is the development, especially of a young, promising quarterback. And 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.439 if he's bringing in these two guys that you said 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:23.160 earlier are yes men and can come in because he's 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:25.000 comfortable and those are the type of people he wants 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:28.160 to be around, and he's not prioritizing the development of 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:31.000 this young up and hot prospect or whatever you want 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:33.240 to call him, I have no doubt. I have no 1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:35.200 answers for you. I have no explanation as to why 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:38.680 you would do that, if it's that important. Well, I 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:43.680 think the answer to that would be Belichick prioritizes system 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:48.160 culture and sort of the fraternity more than most and 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:51.920 not bringing in my buddy Brian Barrett, our Buddy on 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:56.360 WI one, Joe Brady. Joe Brady is you know the LSU. 1:04:56.520 --> 1:05:00.960 Joe Brady developed Burrow and then flamed out in in Carolina. 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:03.200 Now he's in Buffalo as I think the quarterbacks coach. 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:06.000 But Bill's not going to bring in a guy he 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:11.439 doesn't know trust. Have similar philosophies with system. We've seen 1:05:11.480 --> 1:05:13.640 that over the years. He's a promote from within. You 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:18.880 developed your guys, your sort of world um. Similar to Parcels. 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:20.840 I think Parcels had a lot of that into like 1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:23.200 if you're a parcels guy, you're a parcels guy, and 1:05:23.520 --> 1:05:25.120 you kind of need to be a parcels guy to 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:28.120 work for parcels. I think there's some of that with Belichick, 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:30.400 and I think that's the answer. He's never going to 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:34.520 go outside of his circle of trust, and so therefore, 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:36.520 whoever's in the circle of trust, he has to figure 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:38.520 out how to get one of those guys to fit. 1:05:38.680 --> 1:05:42.400 And Bill O'Brien didn't. So next in line was whatever's 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:46.520 going on now? But here's Bill though, well, that's true, 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:49.840 that's true. You have that factor, but you can't get 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:51.720 Bill O'Brian from the year. He's already decided he's not 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:53.080 going to get him an the year. He didn't want 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:55.400 to step on Nick Saban's toes. So short of getting 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:57.280 your guy, which I think if he had been able 1:05:57.320 --> 1:05:59.200 to get him, he would have, and then you would 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:01.760 have had your orderback Whisper and Bill O'Brien, you would 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.600 have had your equivalent of Josh Allen and Brian Dable 1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:06.920 as you just talked about. You can't have that. So 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:10.479 let's develop from within and let's play this no loose 1:06:10.560 --> 1:06:14.640 scenarios we just talked about. Yeah, and he thinks they're 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:17.240 good coaches. We need to start with that. He believes 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:21.440 that Matt Patricia and Joe Judge are very good coaches. 1:06:21.880 --> 1:06:24.400 We don't know, and I honestly think he doesn't know 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:27.880 because he can't know if they're good offensive coaches, if 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:32.200 they're good play callers, because that is yet to be proven, 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:34.560 like that needs to play itself out. But I think 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:41.160 he trusts their teaching, coaching, philosophical abilities more than he 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:46.320 would just some you know, hot shot mcveig tree offensive 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:49.440 mind who some outsiders would say, yeah, that's a that's 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:52.200 a better offensive mind or coach. Bill doesn't look at 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:54.800 it that way. He wants his guys. Okay, that's fair, 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:56.240 And I'd like to think that he has a lot 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.640 of faith in Mac Jones to be able to handle 1:06:58.720 --> 1:07:01.000 whoever his coaches, and he knows that the guy's gonna 1:07:01.000 --> 1:07:02.800 be good. And that's my point as well. I think 1:07:02.880 --> 1:07:05.280 Mac is the one voice that he heeds to listen to. 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:07.560 He needs to listen to himself more so than anybody 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:10.560 else at this stage of his career. Yeah, the one 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:13.440 concern I have there is that I don't know if 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:15.240 you guys heard Mac the other day when he said, 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:19.400 Joe and I are going to teach each other. Yeah, Like, 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:22.120 is that fair to a second year or quarterback? I mean, 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:25.880 we know how, but maybe sure, But maybe he's got 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:28.080 that kind of confidence and maybe they know things that 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:30.560 we don't, which is pretty obvious because we're not in 1:07:30.600 --> 1:07:33.680 the meeting rooms. So maybe they feel like Mac can 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:36.040 handle this. You know, they've already said, they've already they 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:38.960 already sad that this guy special, this guy can deliver, 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:40.920 this guy's gonna be a player, this guy's come in 1:07:40.960 --> 1:07:44.080 and looks great, and YadA YadA, he's improved. Whatever. That's great. 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:47.080 They clearly are showing confidence in this guy to lead 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:50.320 the parade. So that's why I can fully understand why 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:52.200 he would say something like, you think we're gonna teach 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:55.400 each other. Yeah, I think they do, and they probably 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:57.480 believe it's gonna work, and he believes it's gonna work. Now, 1:07:57.520 --> 1:07:59.520 I think he was doing a little PR sales job 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:02.320 to talk, of course, how everybody's on the same page 1:08:02.360 --> 1:08:04.280 and this is working great and blah blah blah. And 1:08:04.360 --> 1:08:06.800 I'm like, you just finished your first thing that's even 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:09.160 close to the resembling a practice. I don't know how 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:11.120 you can be so sure everything's working so great one 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:14.240 day in two hours in um. But I would also say, 1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:17.120 even if they trust him and think he's great and smart, 1:08:17.960 --> 1:08:20.960 it would still be better if he had a proven, 1:08:21.200 --> 1:08:25.040 talented coach with him, because that that could maximize the leap, 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:28.960 that could accelerate the leap. So you know, he could 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:31.400 get better because he's good and he can teach Joe Judge. 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:33.960 But you're still gonna wonder, huh, what would you two 1:08:34.000 --> 1:08:36.760 have looked like if Bill O'Brien was here or Josh 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:40.400 McDaniels had stayed right right, all right, very quickly then, Andy, 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:44.599 I mean, we're a month removed from the draft. How 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:50.519 did the Patriots do? Who knows? I mean, we all know. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:54.439 It's a thank you, thank you. It's a lot of 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:58.800 ebbs and flows. My concern um a little bit was 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:01.479 I don't know how many of these guys. Now I 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:04.120 get to tell you one day of practice. John, you know, 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:07.400 I'm very reactionary, good or bad. Yeah, that's why we 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:08.720 love you, by the way, that's why we love it. 1:09:08.960 --> 1:09:11.680 So I've changed a little bit of my view of 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.280 the draft after watching Jack Jones, the cornerback out of 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:18.720 asdu At the ustate kid can play. That kid, I 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:21.559 will be watching him very closely in training camp. I now, 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:24.320 in my mind have him very much in the mix 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:28.560 for significant cornerback reps as a rookie. And that's a 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:32.280 guy I wasn't too sure about. So right there, you 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:34.080 get a mid round pick who I now think is 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:36.200 in the mix with the likes of Mills and Butler 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:39.760 for significant play. You have Cole Strange looking like he's 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:42.840 the starter at the left guard spot. So if you 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:44.840 get those two guys right out the gates, you get 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:48.799 Marcus Jones to return some punts and have an impact 1:09:48.840 --> 1:09:51.519 there and maybe be an extra corner himself. You know, 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:54.960 you get a couple of impact rookie contributors and then 1:09:55.000 --> 1:09:57.840 you fill in depth later. I call that a good draft, 1:09:57.960 --> 1:09:59.400 especially when you marry it up with what I think 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:01.639 was a pretty good draft last year. If you can 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:04.120 combine a couple of those year after year, that's how 1:10:04.160 --> 1:10:06.639 you build a nice foundation of how I really believe that. 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:08.960 You know, they took to heart, you know some of 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:12.840 the let's just say inadequacies of recent drafts, and they 1:10:12.960 --> 1:10:16.120 started rebuilding last year. But I know going in this year, 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:19.439 especially with the onus being on, you know, a new 1:10:20.120 --> 1:10:22.760 shall we say evaluator in Matt grow Run on the show, 1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:25.120 that there was a tremendous amount of pressure to go 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:28.920 out and get guys that we know, we like, that 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:31.519 we can as the phrase I use his plug and play, 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:34.599 that we can coach up that fit to our system, 1:10:34.640 --> 1:10:38.160 our style. That's what we're looking for and where they're 1:10:38.280 --> 1:10:41.720 ranked by you know, the prognosticators be damned, and they 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:45.120 did that and they got panned for it widely. So 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:47.679 they're definitely on the hook on this one without any doubt. 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:50.360 But I think what I admire the most, whether it's 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:52.720 right or wrong is their ability to stick with their 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:57.479 beliefs and their philosophies. Bill Belichick has stuck with his 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:01.320 beliefs for twenty years. And sometimes that was trade out 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:03.960 and infuriate people, and sometimes that was trade up. And 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:07.160 sometimes that would take a defensive back in the second 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.320 round that nobody wanted and guess what he did that 1:11:09.400 --> 1:11:12.719 so many times. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Cavan 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:16.080 Wilson didn't work, Kyle Dugger did work. So he has 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.840 such a track record that you can poke holes, pick 1:11:18.920 --> 1:11:21.599 nits as you like to say, John, and find examples 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:25.280 of almost everything. But yeah, the truth will be in 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:27.680 the execution. But the guy I'm intrigued by and I 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:31.080 think could kind of swing the draft in one director 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:34.600 or another in terms of perception is Taekwon Thornton. You know, 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:36.559 they talked so much about wanting to get faster, they 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:40.360 drafted the fastest guy they could find. And we've seen 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:43.760 in recent years, the last two three years, rookie receivers 1:11:43.800 --> 1:11:46.240 not just first round picks, second round picks. They come 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:50.080 in and they can be instant impact playmakers. If he 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.479 can be a positive for this team, for this offense, 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:55.360 I think Cole Strange will be playing and he's a guard, 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:58.679 So unless he's getting absolutely embarrassed, you'll feel okay about 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:02.120 that pick. The other, you know, Joneses, I think both those. 1:12:02.280 --> 1:12:04.840 If you get Thornton contributing as a receiver, even if 1:12:04.840 --> 1:12:08.840 it's just complementary certain packages, as a deep threat and 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:11.280 a speed burner, I think he's a guy that could 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:15.040 kind of create a positive perception about this draft. Yeah. 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:18.200 I agree with That's it. That's the X factor. It's thorn. 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:21.200 Can he play in that position? Now? Is everybody here knows? 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:23.799 Is so important? If he can play, that could change 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:26.920 not just the dynamic and the complexion of the draft, 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:30.920 but of the team. Yeah, no question. And that's even 1:12:30.960 --> 1:12:33.479 including I'll say another guy. I thought it looked good, 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:36.080 Davante Parker. I thought looked good the other day. And 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:38.960 that's a good sign if you add him to the 1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:41.559 mix of contributors and if he gets back to gotta 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:44.920 stay healthy twelve. Yeah, And that's the one thing. It's 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:46.960 easy to look good in May and short ye will 1:12:47.000 --> 1:12:48.960 he looked good in October and November when he's been 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:51.840 hit for a month or two of football, But he 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:54.640 looked athletic. I thought he looked explosive. And if he 1:12:54.680 --> 1:12:56.280 can add something to the mix, and you get a 1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:59.000 little something out of Thornton and you still get Myers 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:01.680 and Borne takes the next step. You know, I'm not 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:03.760 sure these receivers are quite as bad as some people 1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:06.040 want to paint them to be. Andy, really appreciate your 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:08.280 time slumming. Was slumming with us guys down here at 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:11.280 the at the old Ballyard, so to speak. John. You know, 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:16.439 I love to talk Patriots football almost any time anywhere, Internet, radio, TV. 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:19.439 Write about it. You know, it beats working for a 1:13:19.439 --> 1:13:22.599 living anytime, doesn't it. I really agree with that one. 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:24.840 I totally agree with that one. We'll keep reading you, 1:13:24.920 --> 1:13:26.960 my man. Thanks for spending a little time with us today. 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:30.479 All right, thanks John Mark. You got it at jumbo 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:34.120 Heart on Twitter, Andy Hartwei dot com. He's got a 1:13:34.120 --> 1:13:36.280 piece up there today as we talked about, I'm talking 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:39.880 about the you know, Bill Belichick controlling interest of the 1:13:39.920 --> 1:13:43.519 coaching staff thus far, and made some really good points 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:45.120 which I thought. The timing of having him on the 1:13:45.120 --> 1:13:48.400 show is extraordinarily important here only because look, that's what 1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:50.519 everybody's talking about right now. I mean, the fact of 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:53.559 the matter is. It would be all Patriots all the 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:56.200 time throughout New England if the Celtics weren't having the 1:13:56.240 --> 1:13:58.160 success that they're having right now in the NBA, you know, 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:01.080 Eastern Conference Final. Yeah, even the Socks winning streak of 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:04.320 light after being so miserable earlier this year, they'd be 1:14:04.320 --> 1:14:06.639 getting a lot more run right now if it weren't 1:14:06.640 --> 1:14:10.080 for the Celtics and or the Patriots. But the Patriots clearly, 1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:12.719 I mean, when you can dominate the local talk shows 1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:16.280 here like they have and continue to do. And I 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:18.840 haven't listened to a day of programming on either of 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:21.599 the primary sports talk stations in the Boston area. Haven't 1:14:21.600 --> 1:14:24.280 listened to a day of program without them spending significant 1:14:24.360 --> 1:14:28.400 time on Patriots coaching and OTAs. I mean, come on, 1:14:29.040 --> 1:14:33.240 we're how many months away from playing football? Four months? Yeah, 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:35.400 and it's too long I know for most people. But 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:38.320 I had somebody hit me up on social media just history. 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:41.320 It's like, Wow, does the NFL ever have an off season? No, 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:45.040 we don't, and that's exactly what the NFL wants. We 1:14:45.200 --> 1:14:49.240 don't have an NFL offseason anymore. It's just downtime really 1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:51.960 more than anything else. Well, especially while Tom Brady is 1:14:51.960 --> 1:14:54.280 still in the league, while Bill Belichick is still coaching, 1:14:54.320 --> 1:14:56.760 and while they have, like I said, this hot up 1:14:56.840 --> 1:15:01.240 and coming potential star, next big thing in the NFL 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:04.120 in terms of a quarterback on their roster. That's exciting, 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:06.400 that's intriguing, and people want to see where it goes. 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:08.320 That's why I mean Andy was talking about it. That's 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:12.360 why the whole coordinator thing is so interesting because it 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:15.360 comes down to, hey, we want Matt Jones to be, 1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:18.679 you know, put in the best possible position to succeed. 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:22.600 And it's not just about third and seven in October 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:25.200 this year. It's about can you get him to that point? 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:27.000 And if they have a guy That's why it's so 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:28.880 interesting to me that Bill Belichick decided to go with 1:15:28.920 --> 1:15:32.080 this dynamic because if they have a guy that's not 1:15:32.240 --> 1:15:35.839 good as an offensive coordinator, I agree. They've been quality coaches. 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:38.080 They're good coaches. And just a quick point on those coaches, 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:40.519 you talked about them getting another head coaching job. It's 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:43.040 interesting when you think of Joe Judge and you think 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:45.960 of Matt Patricia, I think of sort of how they 1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:50.040 failed as I don't know, creating a culture for their team. 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:53.559 You know, big words at the press conferences, but ultimately 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:56.480 they were viewed as sort of buffoons at the podium. 1:15:56.880 --> 1:15:59.400 I don't know so much about their abilities XS and 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:02.360 o's and the intricacies of calling plays and stuff like that, 1:16:02.800 --> 1:16:05.519 but they were just like leadership wise, I don't know 1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:07.320 if they were viewed as good. So if I was 1:16:07.360 --> 1:16:10.000 a team, that's what I would be worried about if 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.759 I no matter how they if they called some good plays. 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:15.240 But the Patriots as OC or whatever, I don't know 1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:17.320 how they lead the team. That's it's felt like that's 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:19.920 where they failed. Maybe they get another chance, maybe they don't. 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:22.080 I don't really care about that. Now, Can you be 1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:25.479 a good offensive coordinator and offensive minding? Jones development? That's 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:27.680 all we care about, absolutely all we care about. Make 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:29.960 it Seawan of Vancouver here really quick. Hey Sean, you're 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:33.360 in the playbook. Hey hey, good to speak. How are 1:16:33.360 --> 1:16:35.760 you doing? Actually? Everything's good here? How are you? My man? 1:16:36.600 --> 1:16:40.760 Terrific about the draft? Though you know he said three years, 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:44.160 I say it's five years, okay, that I fully evaluate 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:46.240 the draft like I'm looking at twenty eighteen now. I 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:50.879 don't have a definitive opinion yet about Whin or Jawan Bentley. 1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:54.040 I want to wait another year and see what happened 1:16:54.080 --> 1:16:56.680 with those guys. So no, the first year's draft, it 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:58.880 wasn't what I expected. It's not what I was thinking 1:16:58.960 --> 1:17:01.120 may do. But I don't know. If they got the 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:03.439 speed they got some players, maybe a're gonna make a 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:08.280 difference five years. We are influenced by what the media says, 1:17:08.960 --> 1:17:12.639 right wrong. We are totally influenced by what the media says. 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:15.000 So when the Patriots select guys that are like, oh 1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:16.920 my god, he's a third round draft pick, what the 1:17:16.960 --> 1:17:20.040 hell are they doing? Then you know, naturally, the the 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:23.720 the impetus is gonna think, oh, they screwed up, they 1:17:23.760 --> 1:17:27.000 screwed up. And again, the point here is that you 1:17:27.200 --> 1:17:30.400 draft not because a guy rates highly, because he rates 1:17:30.479 --> 1:17:33.439 highly within your scheme and you feel like he's a 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:35.720 fit for what you want to do at the particular 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:38.479 position that you take him. So a guy that's gonna 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:41.479 rate as a top fifteen, twenty thirty first round draft 1:17:41.479 --> 1:17:43.680 pick for one team could slide off the board. This 1:17:43.720 --> 1:17:46.280 is how guys slide in the draft anyway, And this 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:48.520 is how guys go from draft picks to u DFA's 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:53.920 because it don't fit the scheme or the playing style 1:17:53.960 --> 1:17:55.760 of the team that's up on the board next them. 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:59.360 This is how guys fall. So it really is overrated, 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:01.800 and it really he helps drive a narrative that is 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:06.040 just flat out wrong. Five years, I would argue Sean 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:07.880 is a little much, because I think you've got to 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.520 make a decision on the guys whether or not he's resignable. 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:13.439 So that's why I go that's that's that's why I 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:16.479 go with sure. But that's why I go with three years, 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:18.519 because by that time you're trying to decide whether or 1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:21.800 not to keep the guy or punt. Yeah, and that's 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:23.720 not my decision to make. Yeah, of course I have 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:27.880 to do that. But the other thing about the poll question, though, 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:29.400 is I don't know if you listen to pasts in 1:18:29.479 --> 1:18:31.920 the past this past week and they were talking Ernie 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:36.320 Adams and at one point when he was with Cleveland, 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:38.639 Mark Mdell says, I'll pay any one ten thousand bucks 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:41.679 if they can tell me what Ernie Adams does. So 1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:45.280 you know, he's been instrumental to the Patriots success in 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:49.160 six Super Bowls, and nobody couldn't really outside of the 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:55.040 organization put a definitive qualifif fire on what his role 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:56.800 was with the team. But he did a lot of 1:18:56.840 --> 1:18:58.800 important things and I'm sure he knew what he's doing. 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.799 I'm sure Bill Belichick was doing. But us as fans 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:04.360 and even maybe the owner doesn't need to know. Robert 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:06.960 cup doesn't necessarily need to know what Ernie Adams is 1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:09.559 doing as long as it's working. And I'm sure the 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:13.960 Patriots are going to have an offensive coordinator. It's just 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:18.200 maybe the fans, maybe the media, maybe even the owner 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:22.160 doesn't know. But you know, when Mac Jones is out there, 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:25.559 he'll know who's calling the place. He'll understand it because 1:19:25.560 --> 1:19:29.040 the Patriots mantraper with over twenty years, has been doing 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:32.559 your job. So everyone on the coaching step, every player 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:34.680 has a specific job, they're going to know what it is. 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:38.120 I have complete confidence that that's going to be the case. 1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:40.200 Just we don't know yet, No, we don't, And I 1:19:40.200 --> 1:19:46.639 think that's well said, Sean. Anything else, Bud, anything with us, don't. 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:48.479 I don't know. If there's anything else. I'll call back 1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:51.120 another time when next month, when when you're there. But 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:54.559 you got it, Thanks you bet, thank you for taking 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:57.280 the time. Sean of Vancouver so again, just to kind 1:19:57.280 --> 1:19:59.920 of recap here, M paul is up if you hit 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:03.960 Twitter on at JR broadcaster question to answers, is an 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:07.720 assigned play calleror coordinator a must have or be no 1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:10.920 big deal? Got thirty seven minutes left to the poll 1:20:11.240 --> 1:20:14.280 and right now no big deals in the lead, which 1:20:14.320 --> 1:20:17.960 frankly is a little surprising considering a lot of the 1:20:19.640 --> 1:20:21.760 you know noise that we hear from the media. Mark, 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:25.120 you know, I'll be honest. The in build we trust cry, 1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:28.280 I don't know, I mean, is it the build? I mean, look, 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:31.680 I think it's again. I don't want to make it 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:35.040 sound like it's nothing. I just think there are more 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:39.240 important things that the than the offensive coordinator. For example, 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:41.519 if they had a number one top tier wide out, 1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:44.759 I'd feel better than if they just had a number 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:50.160 one top tier offensive coordinator. All right. Evan Lazar covers 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:53.760 the Patriots for c LNS Media. He joined us here 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:56.400 on the program as the Patriots beat reporter. Hey Evan, 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:58.360 thanks for taking the time to visit with us. John 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:01.920 Rook here along with Mark Dundera. No problem, guys, thanks 1:21:01.920 --> 1:21:04.040 for having me on. Appreciate you taking the times. How 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:06.760 do you stand on this whole gotta have a coordinator, 1:21:06.920 --> 1:21:08.559 need to have a coach, or is it no big deal? 1:21:08.560 --> 1:21:11.880 Which one do you kind of lean toward? Yeah, I 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:15.519 think you know, for the most part, I believe that 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:19.080 Matt Patricia, Joe Judge, and Bill Belichick will be able 1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:22.799 to put together game plans and have a good opening 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:24.720 script and do some of the things during the week 1:21:24.800 --> 1:21:26.800 that you need to do to get your team ready 1:21:26.840 --> 1:21:29.920 to play on Sunday. The biggest concerns that I have 1:21:30.040 --> 1:21:33.519 in terms of the offense in the direction without really 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:37.599 having that coordinator like Josh McDaniels in place is one 1:21:38.000 --> 1:21:42.160 offensive innovation, and what I mean by that is team innovation. 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.120 Like this offense to me over the last two or 1:21:45.160 --> 1:21:49.479 three years, especially last season, is a little bit archaic 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:52.439 in style. Right There's still an eye formation team. There's 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:55.000 still a team that runs a lot of under center. 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:57.280 They don't do a lot of the things that some 1:21:57.360 --> 1:22:00.320 of these college systems that spread the field and have 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:04.759 a lot of more of these option elements integrated like RPOs, readoption, 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:06.960 that kind of thing. They don't use a lot of that. 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:09.639 They don't use a lot of the Shanahan tree either, 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:13.439 the outside zone and bootlegs things like that either. So 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:16.640 offensive innovation I think is a question mark to me 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:19.320 what this team moving forward. And I would also say 1:22:19.520 --> 1:22:22.720 in game adjustments is the other really big one for 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:25.960 the Patriots. I think that was a really underrated thing 1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:28.960 that Josh McDaniels was able to do, where Okay, they 1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:31.040 come out, they feel out what the game plan is 1:22:31.080 --> 1:22:34.320 for the defense, and then they have answers to X, 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:36.360 Y and Z that they can go to in their 1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:39.439 back pockets to respond to what the defense is doing them. 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:41.759 So in game adjustments I think was a huge part 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:44.320 of what made the Patriots successful and now is a 1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:47.360 big part of what makes Josh McDaniels successful. So now, 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:49.879 do they have the foresight do they have the ability 1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:52.920 to adjust on the fly when things maybe don't go 1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:55.880 as well early on in the game, Like you don't 1:22:55.920 --> 1:22:58.200 have Josh McDaniels calling the place in twenty eight to 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:01.120 three ever happen, right, you know, those type of instances 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:04.040 I think are something that maybe the Patriots will miss. 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:06.839 Josh mc daniel is more than let's say, the actual 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:10.600 play calling, in the actual act of calling plays. You know, 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:14.160 since you've been covering this team, I'm curious. Do your 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:20.200 thoughts this bill work better with guys behind him, underneath him, 1:23:20.200 --> 1:23:22.400 coaching for him, whatever the kid, whatever phrase you want 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:25.679 to use. Does it work better with guys who cross 1:23:25.800 --> 1:23:30.840 him or agree with him? That's a good question. I 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:34.080 think in the past that I would lean forwards that 1:23:34.200 --> 1:23:38.320 he works better with guys that challenge him. I wouldn't 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:41.800 necessarily say that it's crossing him, but it's more making 1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:45.280 him think about things from a different perspective or offering 1:23:45.400 --> 1:23:48.960 different perspective that maybe is actually better than the way 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:51.479 that he was originally thinking. Once he kind of puts 1:23:51.640 --> 1:23:54.320 himself in those shoes. And I don't necessarily know if 1:23:54.320 --> 1:23:57.160 it's coaching or personnel execs that have done that in 1:23:57.160 --> 1:24:00.040 the past, but you've heard a lot about players do 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:02.599 that in the past, where you know Belichick has been 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:04.679 coaching it one way, he thinks it should be done 1:24:04.720 --> 1:24:07.040 one way, and then Randy Moss comes up to him 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:09.120 in the practice field and he says, well, instead of 1:24:09.200 --> 1:24:11.480 running of a post, if I run a deep crossers 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:13.280 and I can run away from the safety instead of 1:24:13.360 --> 1:24:15.519 running into the safety, And all of a sudden, the 1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:18.720 Patriots run deep over routs instead of post routes right, 1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:20.920 or He's talked about in the past, even with kickings 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:23.479 with Nick Folk, that Nick Folk has taught him a 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:26.639 lot about kicking as a veteran kicker, and they think 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:28.920 about things maybe a little bit differently than they did 1:24:28.960 --> 1:24:31.559 before in terms of kicking the football. So there's little 1:24:31.560 --> 1:24:33.600 things like that that I've seen over the years on 1:24:33.920 --> 1:24:36.360 you know, Football Life and some of the different documentaries 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:40.320 that they did, where players have said, to build, why 1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:42.320 don't we do it this way. It's easier for me 1:24:42.360 --> 1:24:44.240 if we do it that way, said it this way, 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:47.240 and then he goes ahead and makes those adjustments. So 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:49.479 I think he likes to be challenged. I don't think 1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:53.839 he likes to surround himself with people that can't talk 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:56.479 the game at the same level that he can talk 1:24:56.479 --> 1:24:59.040 it at. Okay, fair enough, So let me ask you 1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:01.680 this real quick, Evan. Obviously, you know, with the lack 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:04.600 of experience for both Joe Judge and Mat Patricia on 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:07.040 the offensive side of the ball, one would think that, hey, 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:09.559 maybe Bill Belichick needs to get a little bit more 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:13.840 involved offensively, either helping them or helping Mac Jones. Should 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:17.040 I be concerned about that given the fact that there 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.160 are a lot of areas that need his attention on 1:25:19.200 --> 1:25:22.000 this team, on this roster, and he's seventy years old. 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:26.599 It's a fair question, right, and I think that there 1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:29.960 is some concern there, some skepticism that's just natural to 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:33.040 think about, you know, him being stretched too thin and 1:25:33.120 --> 1:25:35.400 having to wear too many hats. But the thing I'll 1:25:35.439 --> 1:25:38.920 say is Dean Piece is a former defensive coordinator for 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:41.840 the Patriots about ten years ago. He was on a 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:44.679 podcast not too long ago and he mentioned that Bill 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:47.080 Belichick actually didn't end a ton of time with the 1:25:47.160 --> 1:25:49.760 defense during the week. He actually spent the most of 1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:52.320 his time with Tom Brady and the quarterback. So I 1:25:52.320 --> 1:25:55.920 think a big part of Bill Belichick defensive mastermind for 1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:58.759 the Patriots is that he'll actually go to the quarterback 1:25:58.760 --> 1:26:01.759 and Cam Newton post pub about this as well. He'll say, 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:03.920 this is what they're going to do to you, right, 1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:05.360 They're going to come out, this is going to be 1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:08.240 the defensive game plan. This is how I would defend you. 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:09.920 So I'm as sure this is how they're going to 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.280 defend you. And they're going to try to take away X, 1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:14.200 Y and Z, and we're going to do you know, 1:26:14.320 --> 1:26:16.679 a b and C and I think the dad back 1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:19.400 and forth, and Brady has talked about the Tuesday meetings 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:22.720 with Belichick, game plan meetings and the different things that 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:26.240 he's been learned from Belichick over the years. I think 1:26:26.240 --> 1:26:28.799 that's a really big part of what Belichick has always 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:31.599 done for the Patriots and the quarterbacks in particular stuff. 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:35.559 I think in a cool way, his defensive ability and 1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:39.040 his mastermind on that side of the football actually helps 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:43.000 them reverse engineer for the quarterback how exactly they're going 1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:44.680 to see a game plan and take out from the 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.479 opposing defense and put those guys in a really good 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:50.719 position to succeed. All right, Bevan Lazar from this media 1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:53.360 Patriots beat reporter, joining us here in the playbook. The 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:55.479 other issue that we've been kind of kicking around today, Evan, 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:58.240 has to do with the draft, and you know, and 1:26:58.280 --> 1:26:59.680 I don't want to answer, I don't want to ask 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:02.000 you a little about, you know, the first OTAs that 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:03.240 were out there this week, so I know you were 1:27:03.240 --> 1:27:05.960 out of practice. But at the same time, now that 1:27:06.000 --> 1:27:10.160 we're a month removed from the NFL Draft, you know, 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:14.960 is it fair to even try to make an evaluation 1:27:15.000 --> 1:27:18.120 any of these guys? Do you agree disagree with the 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:22.880 panning of the Patriots draft by most of the mainstream media, 1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:27.240 both local and national. What are your stands on grading 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:33.120 draft picks. It's definitely not fair to grade the draft 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:36.439 picks based off of what we think these players will become, 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:39.280 because none of us quite frankly, have any idea what 1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:41.000 these guys are going to be in two to three 1:27:41.080 --> 1:27:43.640 years now based off of the information that we have 1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:46.640 at hand going into the draft. I do think that 1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:48.960 there is some freedoms to some of these grades. Now, 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.320 the thing about the Patriots draft to me is the 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:56.720 positions that they drafted offensive line, wide receiver, corner. We 1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:58.760 all went into the draft thinking that they were going 1:27:58.800 --> 1:28:02.559 to draft those positions, but they drafted players that were 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:04.840 different than the players that we would have drafted in 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:07.080 that spot. Like if the Patriots that came away from 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:10.040 this draft and all these Zion Johnson's from Boston College 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:11.559 went ahead of their pick. But let's say they come 1:28:11.560 --> 1:28:14.400 away from the draft and they drafted Zion Johnson and 1:28:14.520 --> 1:28:17.360 John Metschi in the first two rounds, we all would 1:28:17.360 --> 1:28:20.280 have been thrilled, as from everybody, we all would have 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:24.400 been off the walls. Instead, you exchange Zion's name for 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.599 Cole Strange, and you exchange Meschi's name for Taekwon thor 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.519 and now all of a sudden, they get an at 1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:33.080 right because they're not the names that we've been talking about, 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:36.040 that we've been hyping up, that we've done our homework on, 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:39.400 and that certainly can drive the narrative a little bit 1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:42.400 with these picks. Now, the draft to me is a 1:28:42.479 --> 1:28:45.639 fifty fifty coin flip. It's a craft shoot. It's your 1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:49.000 evaluation versus my evaluation. And the Patriots certainly have a 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:52.680 much better feel for their program, their team and what 1:28:52.800 --> 1:28:55.680 exactly fits in best with that, and they definitely have 1:28:55.800 --> 1:28:58.240 more information about these players than we do in the 1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.080 media to get to interview them, to get some that 1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:02.880 their medicals, so on and so forth. But we'll see, 1:29:03.040 --> 1:29:04.960 you know, we'll see what ends up being right in 1:29:05.000 --> 1:29:07.479 three years. If Cole Strange ends up being a pro 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:10.360 bowler and Zion Johnson's just an okay guard, or if 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:12.840 John Metchi ends up being out of the league because 1:29:12.840 --> 1:29:15.439 his knee doesn't hold up, and Tykwon Thornton is a 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:18.320 great player for the Patriots, then they'll be right. If 1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:20.920 they're not, then the consensus will be right, and we'll 1:29:21.200 --> 1:29:23.360 have to wait and see on that. But this is 1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:25.600 definitely one of those drafts. And I think in a 1:29:25.600 --> 1:29:27.960 lot of ways it was similar to twenty twenty for me, 1:29:28.600 --> 1:29:31.559 where I wasn't surprised at all that the Patriots drafted 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.439 a safety with their first pick when they took Kyle Dugger, 1:29:34.720 --> 1:29:37.400 but I was expecting it to be Antoine Winfield or 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:41.760 Jeremy Chain or Davier McKinley from Alabama. And then said, 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:45.880 they took Kyle Tugger, So their boards different than our board, 1:29:46.000 --> 1:29:47.800 and they have to trust their board, and I'm going 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:49.519 to trust my board and we'll see who's right in 1:29:49.560 --> 1:29:52.400 three years. Yeah, that's true. And again you kind of 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:54.839 directly led into the next question is what's a sufficient 1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:57.000 amount of time in which to be able to judge 1:29:57.240 --> 1:29:59.160 whether or not you did a good enough job in 1:29:59.200 --> 1:30:03.040 a draft. So I think there's a way that we 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:07.880 can evaluate it in the short term, and that look, 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:09.719 if you make a good pick in the first round, 1:30:09.960 --> 1:30:11.759 you know it when you get out there at practice 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:15.840 during training camp, like for example, I would say, like 1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:19.320 with Cole Strange, if he's a good pick, I would 1:30:19.720 --> 1:30:21.479 venture to say that I could see that he has 1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:24.080 NFL talent at the top of the first round or 1:30:24.120 --> 1:30:26.080 at the top of the draft, I should say, within 1:30:26.120 --> 1:30:28.080 the first one or two weeks in training camp. When 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:31.519 I was out there in twenty nineteen and nikkil Harry 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:35.639 was in his rookie camp, it was, you know, left 1:30:35.680 --> 1:30:37.960 a lot to be desired, right, Like you were like, uh, 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:41.760 you know, this guy just doesn't have the explosiveness. He 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.639 doesn't have the speed of the NFL game, Like this 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:48.439 is not exactly the Holy Moley. The Patriots got a 1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:50.960 stud wide receiver in the draft type of pick. I 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:54.160 think that there is some credence the fact that that 1:30:54.200 --> 1:30:57.439 can happen and you can see it with your eyes quickly, 1:30:57.520 --> 1:30:59.560 like I you know, I've read and obviously this is 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:02.719 a much draft picks and somebody like Tae Kwon Thoran, 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:05.920 but you read about things like about Jamar Chase or 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.240 like Peedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson or some of these 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:10.719 other wide receivers that have come through in the draft 1:31:10.760 --> 1:31:13.320 in recent years, and all the beat reporters down in 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:17.000 those respective locations, they're like, holy smokes, like this guy 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:20.840 is legendary stuff, right, Like this guy's going to be 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:23.840 a big time difference maker for this team. So I 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:25.960 do think you can tell right away whether or not 1:31:26.040 --> 1:31:30.040 they have that sort of next level of talent. But 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:33.600 in terms of what their overall projection is, yeah, I 1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:35.599 would say it takes two to three years to really 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:38.800 know for sure, And especially here in New England. You 1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:40.960 look at a guy like Damien Harris, for example, who 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:43.639 sat out his entire rookie year and then he comes 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:46.080 in his second year, third year, he's a great player 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:48.360 for the path. I don't think anybody's looking back at 1:31:48.360 --> 1:31:50.720 the Damien Harris pick now and saying that was a 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:54.120 bad pick. But maybe after his rookie season the opinions 1:31:54.160 --> 1:31:56.519 on himler a little bit money just because of the 1:31:56.560 --> 1:32:00.679 fact that he didn't play. So it is an walk. 1:32:00.720 --> 1:32:03.040 But I think with certain positions, I would say, in 1:32:03.080 --> 1:32:07.320 particular with receivers skill players, you can see whether or 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:11.000 not their speed and their explosiveness and they're just kind 1:32:11.040 --> 1:32:13.559 of threat to the defense, is there or not? Pretty 1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:16.280 much right away, Evan, we couldn't plan this out any 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:18.840 better because you lead directly into my next question for 1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:21.080 you here was you were out there. We've had one 1:32:21.240 --> 1:32:23.320 chance for the media to see these guys out on 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:26.200 the field thus far. Another one coming up again? When 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:28.519 is it tomorrow? I think? Or is it today? No, 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:30.840 it's tomorrow. And the next one for the media is 1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:33.040 next week. Next week. Players will be out there again 1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:35.080 this week, right, Okay, so they're out there again this week. 1:32:35.160 --> 1:32:37.639 So we've had basically one chance to see these guys. 1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:40.960 You've got your first glimpse of these guys, you know, 1:32:41.280 --> 1:32:43.120 along the lines of what you were just talking about. 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:45.800 Somebody who's gonna stand out, Guys that you're looking at 1:32:45.840 --> 1:32:47.800 that you want to concertru Guys that are going to 1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:50.559 get all of the folks come training camp time, which 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:52.240 are the younger guys and the guys we don't know about. 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:56.760 Who stood out? Did anybody? Could anybody make that kind 1:32:56.800 --> 1:33:00.760 of an impression? Who just one OTA session? Yeah, it's 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:03.160 hard to do it in OTAs without pats. And I 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:06.120 would also say that a lot of the OTA drills, 1:33:06.200 --> 1:33:09.080 even team drill seven on seven, eleven on eleven, are 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:13.400 not too live competitive situations where they're going full till. 1:33:13.760 --> 1:33:16.880 But I still saw some glimpses from Cole Strange and look, 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:19.000 I'll be the first one to admit when they drafted 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:21.519 Cole Stringe on draft night in the first round. I 1:33:21.720 --> 1:33:25.680 was also aproplectic, like I hated to pick right. I 1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:27.439 had no idea where they were going with it. What 1:33:27.760 --> 1:33:29.640 are you doing? Yeah, I get it, I get it. 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:32.479 Yeah yeah. But then when I looked at Cole Strange, 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:35.320 I've practiced on Monday. You know, you don't want to 1:33:35.360 --> 1:33:37.800 get too caught up with the offensive lineman because there's 1:33:37.840 --> 1:33:40.360 no pads, there's no contact. But the way the guy 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:43.360 moves is impressive, Like he can definitely move, he can 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.160 get out of the stance. You see that athleticism right away. 1:33:46.240 --> 1:33:48.720 They ran a lot of outside runs in practice the 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:51.479 other day, and his ability to get outside the tackle 1:33:51.720 --> 1:33:54.160 to then get up and work to the second level. 1:33:54.360 --> 1:33:56.960 There's some real explosiveness and some real speed in the 1:33:56.960 --> 1:33:59.360 way that he moves at the guard position. I think 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:02.599 that's gonna really pop off the tape pretty much instantly 1:34:02.680 --> 1:34:04.720 for a guy like Cole Strange. We'll see about play 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:07.519 strains like I love me a good pulling guard. I 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:10.400 love me a good pulling guard. Yeah, whether he's pulling 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:13.160 or it's his own scheme and he's just getting out 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:15.400 of his stance of getting up the field or to 1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:18.920 the sideline. This guy can definitely move, and you saw 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:21.960 that right away. Jack Jones, the cornerback from that they 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:24.800 drafted in the fourth round, he was already rotating in 1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:27.719 with some of the other starters at the cornerback position, 1:34:27.960 --> 1:34:30.679 which I think is a really good sign this early 1:34:30.720 --> 1:34:33.160 on in camp, this early on in the spring off 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:37.040 season program. To have a fourth round pick already out 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:40.120 there with some of the other starting secondary players tells 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:43.240 you that maybe he's ahead of schedule or on schedule, 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:45.160 depending on how they look at it, to be an 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:47.760 impact player. In year one, we didn't get to see 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:50.880 a lot of Taekwon Thornton. He was down on the 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:53.639 lower field and wasn't really a part of team rolls 1:34:53.680 --> 1:34:56.360 all that much. The same with Pierre Strong and Marcus 1:34:56.400 --> 1:35:00.920 Jones right now, he's really really small guys right So defensively, 1:35:01.400 --> 1:35:03.360 we'll see what happens. I still think he has a 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:05.920 chance to develop into a slot corner, but I think 1:35:06.040 --> 1:35:09.640 right away you're looking as a primary returner, potentially as 1:35:09.640 --> 1:35:12.200 an impact as a rookie, but maybe not at corner. 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:14.240 But I was really intrigued by what I saw from 1:35:14.280 --> 1:35:17.479 Strange and Jack Jones. Yeah, Andy Hart we had on early. 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:20.520 He mentioned Jack Jones too, and he was really surprised 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:22.960 that you showed some athleticism and the ability to mix 1:35:23.000 --> 1:35:25.040 it up already getting rotations in with some of the 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:28.680 guys who've been around for a while. Yeah, he's got 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:31.679 really smooth feet, He's really fluid. I think he can 1:35:32.000 --> 1:35:34.400 kind of travel with the receivers from both sides of 1:35:34.840 --> 1:35:37.960 the formation, whether it's in the slot outside and cover 1:35:38.080 --> 1:35:40.960 some of these guys. These the receiver types that play 1:35:41.000 --> 1:35:44.479 inside and outside in any given situation. I think Jack 1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:47.400 Jones has that ability to shadow those types of guys 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:50.360 in man coverage. I compared him to Malcolm Butler ironically 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:53.639 when they drafted him, and you know, I still think 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:57.640 that that's a pretty apt comparison. Somebody that's just really scrappies. 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:00.559 He can stay glued to guys, beget be in your 1:36:00.640 --> 1:36:03.439 hip pocket, and give guys some fits, but the fact 1:36:03.439 --> 1:36:05.479 that they just can't get rid of them at the 1:36:05.520 --> 1:36:07.559 top of the route. I think Jash Jones is going 1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:10.479 to be a player that maybe has the Year one 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:13.439 impact like Malcolm did, or like basically Backson did. Sure, 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:16.600 all right, so you know we've had one practiced to 1:36:16.600 --> 1:36:20.320 work with um. These are OTAs or I used to 1:36:20.320 --> 1:36:23.920 call them, you know, basically glorified picnics. Organized team activities 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:28.640 is what OTA stands for. Not everybody is there, Not 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:31.400 everybody is required to be there. All of the guys 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:34.720 who were not what surprised you? Who surprised you by 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:37.519 their absence? That may be like, Ooh, I don't know 1:36:37.560 --> 1:36:42.840 why is this guy not here? Isaiah Win? I have 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:45.720 no idea. I don't want to. Like you said, these 1:36:45.760 --> 1:36:48.680 are voluntary sessions. You have no idea what's going on 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:51.760 with Isaiah Win behind the scenes, Whether it's a family 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:55.000 matter that he's you know, taken care of, or physical 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:58.479 injury something like that that he's taken care of, or whatever. 1:36:58.600 --> 1:37:01.559 But this is a player that is in the final 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:04.840 year of his contract by all attensive purposes, had a 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:07.599 down year last year. He came into training camp after 1:37:07.680 --> 1:37:10.160 not being at the off season program a year ago, 1:37:10.280 --> 1:37:13.280 out of shape last summer. The team wasn't happy about it. 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:16.920 He started slow in the twenty twenty one seasons after 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:18.960 being out of shape when he arrived in camp in 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:22.280 late July early August. And now he's doing it the 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:25.519 same thing again. And I look at Isaiah Winn, and 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:28.599 I see Trent Brown and his ability to potentially flip 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:30.479 over to the left side. I think the team is 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:34.080 really high on Justin Bran, who had time good run 1:37:34.200 --> 1:37:36.599 last year when they were allowed him to play, especially 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:39.240 at left tackle. And I say, if I'm Win, I'm 1:37:39.280 --> 1:37:42.720 making ten point four million dollars this year, I'm a 1:37:42.760 --> 1:37:45.040 little bit I have a little bit more urgency, right, Like, 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:47.240 I'm a little bit more worried about my long term 1:37:47.320 --> 1:37:50.479 future on the team. He seems a very complacent guy 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:54.080 to me off of that first round draft status and 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:56.360 just kind of going off of his contract and the 1:37:56.400 --> 1:37:58.800 fact that he is a big time player in terms 1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:01.639 of that money. It feels like he's a little bit 1:38:01.640 --> 1:38:03.720 complacent with his role. And I wouldn't be if I 1:38:03.800 --> 1:38:05.639 was Isaiah Win because do you know how it works here, 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:08.439 Justin Horn all of a sudden pops off in training 1:38:08.479 --> 1:38:12.040 camp and as an ascending player, Bill Belichick will cut 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:14.519 time as Isaiah Win, right, Like, we've all been down 1:38:14.640 --> 1:38:17.679 this road before. So I'm really shocked that Isaiah Winn 1:38:17.720 --> 1:38:20.960 wasn't out there. Matthew Judon, Adrian Phillips, Lawrence guy Like, 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:23.880 for me, I'll we'll see you guys in Mini caamp, right, Like, 1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:27.040 I don't really care have those types of veterans don't 1:38:27.040 --> 1:38:30.719 want to come to these voluntary workout sessions. But Isaiah 1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:32.519 Winn is one guy that I think that should be 1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:34.880 here unless he has a good reason not to be. Yeah, 1:38:34.920 --> 1:38:37.400 we should add here, of course, that the mandatory mini 1:38:37.479 --> 1:38:40.840 camp is in a couple of weeks, correct, Yeah, June 1:38:40.880 --> 1:38:43.519 seventh through June ninth is minatory mini camp, Right, So 1:38:43.640 --> 1:38:45.840 that's when if the guys aren't here, then there's got 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:48.120 to be a significant reason for it and something that 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:50.640 we can reevaluate at that time. All right. Then a 1:38:50.720 --> 1:38:52.280 final one I kind of have for you here, Evan, 1:38:52.360 --> 1:38:55.439 really is it's an unfair question, but you know, as 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:56.600 a beat guy, I'm going to kind of put you 1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:59.360 on the spot anyway, you know, because that's what we do. 1:38:59.439 --> 1:39:02.280 We put people well in the spot here, Right. What 1:39:02.360 --> 1:39:04.599 do you kind of feel like is the strong suit? 1:39:05.160 --> 1:39:07.439 What is what? What are these patriots going to be 1:39:07.520 --> 1:39:10.960 known for? What do they want to be known for? 1:39:11.080 --> 1:39:14.000 And where do you feel like this team really has 1:39:14.000 --> 1:39:17.200 an achilles heel at this stage of the game. Yeah, 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:19.920 I think my answer is actually gonna surprise some people. 1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:22.880 It surprised me a little bit, But after I watched 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:24.920 them out out there on Monday and kind of was 1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:27.599 able to put what we see on paper actually on 1:39:27.640 --> 1:39:30.160 the field and look at it. I think this offense 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:32.479 is actually in really good shape right now. I know 1:39:32.560 --> 1:39:34.800 the coaching is a little bit of an uncertainty and 1:39:34.800 --> 1:39:39.799 we'll see how that stakes out. But they have their roles, 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.439 They have their quarterbacks, like they have their receivers. They 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:45.280 have everybody in place for this offense to be good. 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:48.040 And I think not just one part of the offense, 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:49.519 Like I think it's going to be a really well 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:51.439 rounded offense too. I think they're gonna be able to 1:39:51.479 --> 1:39:54.800 run the football, answer the football pretty effectively. I was 1:39:54.800 --> 1:39:58.559 out there at training camp nineteen twenty even last year 1:39:58.600 --> 1:40:01.640 in twenty one, and he look at the wide receivers 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:04.320 that they were roll out there in these training camps. 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:07.360 We as beat reporters or an OTAs in minicamp and 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:09.920 no offense of these players, but we're hyping up to 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.519 be or Birds and Maurice Harris and like all these 1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:15.680 guys in the spring. Now we get to at least 1:40:15.720 --> 1:40:18.759 see DeVante Parker and Nelson agil Or and Kenter Bourn 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:21.639 and buyers like. These guys have NFL resumes. These guys 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:24.160 have gone out there and made Pro Bowls and had 1:40:24.200 --> 1:40:28.639 a thousand yards season stuff. This is a different receiving group. 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:31.000 This is a different skill group than what we've seen 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:33.280 over the last three or four years. There's some legitimate 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:36.360 NFL talent on that offense now, and I think it's 1:40:36.400 --> 1:40:38.519 the Patriots are going to have a pretty solid offense. 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:43.080 When you look at Achilles deals, it's definitely the cornerback room. Look, 1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:45.680 they have darts to throw at corner right. They have 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:49.559 Malcolm Butler, Terrence Mitchell, Jalen Mills, I mentioned Jack Jones. 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:53.120 They have numbers there. But I don't know if any 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:57.679 one of those guys is actually a solid option against 1:40:57.680 --> 1:41:00.400 Sefon Gigs or Tyree Hill or whoever. The going up 1:41:00.400 --> 1:41:03.240 against Savante Adams when they have to play Vegas later 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:05.200 in the year, Jamar Chase when they have to play 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:07.439 the Bengals. You know, this is a really talented and 1:41:07.520 --> 1:41:11.639 loaded AFC in terms of passing attacks around them. And 1:41:11.960 --> 1:41:13.960 I look at the cornerback room and I still look 1:41:14.000 --> 1:41:16.080 at it and say, wow, you know, you might not 1:41:16.200 --> 1:41:19.000 just be missing the number one guy. You might be 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:21.880 missing the number one and the number two guy. Like ideally, 1:41:22.080 --> 1:41:24.960 a guy like Jalen Mills is your third corner, and 1:41:25.040 --> 1:41:28.000 right now the Patriots have him as probably their number 1:41:28.000 --> 1:41:31.000 one corner. So they really need somebody like Jack Jones 1:41:31.320 --> 1:41:35.040 to pop and be able to take this league by storm. 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:36.680 If they can get that out of one of the 1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:39.679 rookie corners, then I'll feel more optimistic. But I'm still 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:44.639 very concerned about Yeah, maybe they can widen't or shrink 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:48.240 that gap with Buffalo offensively where they can maybe keep 1:41:48.320 --> 1:41:50.240 up a little bit with Josh Allen in the back 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:52.519 and forth shootout, But I don't know if his defense 1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:54.559 is going to have any chance the way it's constructed 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:57.400 in the secondary right now to slow down Josh Allen 1:41:57.439 --> 1:42:00.559 anymore than it did last year. OU better hope that 1:42:00.600 --> 1:42:02.400 there's a big pass rush. That's all I can tell 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:04.719 you right now. All Right, So I lied one more question. 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:06.760 Based on the talent that they have that you think 1:42:06.800 --> 1:42:08.920 that they might have on the offensive side, can this 1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:11.719 team still have the kind of success that you think 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:15.960 they that can have without a coordinator calling the place. Yeah, 1:42:16.240 --> 1:42:17.800 I think it can and I think one of the 1:42:17.840 --> 1:42:20.479 lines that Bill Belichick said that as much as it 1:42:20.600 --> 1:42:24.240 I think it was maybe taken as put a lipstick 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:26.320 on a big a little bit of the situation. I 1:42:26.360 --> 1:42:29.480 think it is true that the execution of the plays 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:32.439 is more important than the plays themselves, right, And at 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:35.000 the end of the day, you can call the same 1:42:35.040 --> 1:42:37.559 passing play like the Patriots and the Super Bowl against 1:42:37.560 --> 1:42:41.080 the Rams, super Bowl fifty three, they called hasty juke 1:42:41.280 --> 1:42:43.800 three times in a row to go down the field, right, 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:46.439 and they kept on calling the same play and it 1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:48.760 worked every single time. Like it wasn't like, you know, 1:42:48.800 --> 1:42:52.080 they needed to reinvent the wheel to get the ball 1:42:52.120 --> 1:42:54.559 down the field. So if you have those types of players, 1:42:54.800 --> 1:42:57.080 and granted they don't have a Brady and a Gronk 1:42:57.120 --> 1:43:00.479 and a needlement, but they players that can cocute and 1:43:00.560 --> 1:43:02.680 can go out there and make plays, then I think 1:43:02.800 --> 1:43:05.439 sometimes we get lost in the weeds a little bit 1:43:05.680 --> 1:43:08.400 what the actual play calls themselves and the minutia of 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.400 all of that, when at the end of the day, 1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:13.400 our guys against your guys. So if the Patriots, it 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.800 always comes together the way that I think it can, 1:43:15.920 --> 1:43:19.559 if everybody stays healthy and everybody kind of that comes 1:43:19.560 --> 1:43:22.800 along together. I think it's a really big thing that 1:43:23.400 --> 1:43:26.160 they have broughten back all the past catchers that were 1:43:26.200 --> 1:43:28.880 on the team in twenty twenty one for another year 1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:31.800 here twenty twenty two, and all they've done is supplemented, right, 1:43:31.840 --> 1:43:34.600 They've added. They haven't subtracted any of that group. So 1:43:34.680 --> 1:43:37.320 those guys all played together last year, they all play 1:43:37.360 --> 1:43:39.720 with Max Jones last year. So I think there's some 1:43:39.800 --> 1:43:42.559 optimism that the offense can really hit the ground running here. 1:43:42.760 --> 1:43:45.360 Good stuff, really good stuff. Evan, thanks for spending the 1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:47.679 time with this day. It's greatly appreciated and I'll look 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:49.559 forward to doing it again at some point down the line. 1:43:50.280 --> 1:43:53.080 No problem, Thanks to anytime. You got it. Evan Lazar 1:43:53.240 --> 1:43:56.320 CLNS Media. He's the beat order for the Patriots, reporter 1:43:56.400 --> 1:43:58.200 for the Patriots. You can follow him on Twitter at 1:43:58.280 --> 1:44:02.640 Ez Lazar laz a r is how he spells his 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:06.080 last name. Clnsmedia dot com is where you can find 1:44:06.120 --> 1:44:07.280 a lot of his work. You can know, so if 1:44:07.280 --> 1:44:09.400 you follow him on Twitter, he puts links up to 1:44:09.600 --> 1:44:11.560 all of the pieces that he does and all of 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:13.639 the reporting that he does with the patriotsy he's really good. 1:44:13.680 --> 1:44:16.360 Here's some good answers there. You know, clearly he's got 1:44:16.400 --> 1:44:18.760 some strong opinions on that one. In fact, I think 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:21.479 overall today the opinions have been great between Evan and 1:44:21.920 --> 1:44:25.040 you know, Bighead and Martin Dundarrel. The opinions are good. 1:44:25.080 --> 1:44:26.920 And I knew that we could have that today with 1:44:27.000 --> 1:44:30.639 these three individuals, so have because nobody's afraid to give 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:32.720 us their thoughts, and that's kind of what we want here. 1:44:32.760 --> 1:44:34.920 We want to push the envelope a little bit and 1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:42.200 hopefully get you thinking differently, not incorrectly, but just differently 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:44.880 and consider other points of view because frankly, there are 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:47.479 a lot of points of view about this, the things 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:49.360 that we've talked to today. And then you know, for 1:44:49.400 --> 1:44:51.240 those of you that are outside the area, you know, 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:53.000 you're not in New England and you're not you know, 1:44:53.040 --> 1:44:55.960 able to get to Boston area media or whatever, especially 1:44:56.000 --> 1:44:58.799 listening to Boston Talk radio. Look, Derek pluses and minuses 1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:01.000 about that, and I'm sure you probably listen to them 1:45:01.040 --> 1:45:03.400 from time to time, you know, on the streams, which 1:45:03.439 --> 1:45:05.519 is fine and you should because it helps you kind 1:45:05.520 --> 1:45:07.599 of get connected to your teams, your home if you're 1:45:07.640 --> 1:45:11.639 from here. That kind of thing. But sometimes we get 1:45:11.680 --> 1:45:14.559 so damned close to the forest we can't see the trees. 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:20.080 You know what I'm saying. We're extraordinarily myopic in our 1:45:20.120 --> 1:45:22.800 point of view. Myopics the word of the day, by 1:45:22.800 --> 1:45:24.120 the way, you know, And I will do that in 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:27.080 Eric's honor. M yop I see, I'm gonna talk about 1:45:27.120 --> 1:45:30.519 Eric in just second, exactly, thank you. But here's the 1:45:30.600 --> 1:45:35.479 thing we you know, I don't think they're wrong, but 1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:38.519 you got to remember that talk radio, sports talk radio, 1:45:38.640 --> 1:45:41.760 especially in Boston, they're here. They serve the purpose of 1:45:41.840 --> 1:45:45.200 tweaking the noses of the listeners to get them to 1:45:45.400 --> 1:45:48.960 react and maybe pick up the phone and call, or 1:45:49.120 --> 1:45:52.720 maybe send them a tweet or maybe you know, hit 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:54.759 them up on social media in some of the former fashion. 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:57.599 That's what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to be, 1:45:58.160 --> 1:46:00.920 you know, they say energetic. I say, you know, they're 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:04.880 they're panting you, is what they're doing. That's all they're doing. 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:08.360 They're pantsing you. Okay, So all we want to do here, Look, 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:10.000 every once in a while, I'll pants you. Sure, what 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:11.680 the hell, We're all gonna have fun. It's kind of like, 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:14.040 you know, yeah, what the hell, I'll pants myself. Just 1:46:14.080 --> 1:46:20.920 don't look he I you know, I want to swirly. 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:26.160 I'll give you one too. Whatever. Here's the thing I 1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:29.439 try to balance it. I'm not saying that anybody in 1:46:29.439 --> 1:46:32.200 sports a treaty is wrong. I'm not saying that, you know, 1:46:32.240 --> 1:46:36.040 people that I know, like mil kiper are wrong. Everybody 1:46:36.080 --> 1:46:38.400 has an opinions are like belly buttons, as we all know, 1:46:38.479 --> 1:46:43.439 everybody's got one. But consider their opinions and then consider 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:47.600 what fact is and then put the two together. And 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:51.680 if they don't meet, then which way do you go? 1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:53.920 And so, like I said a little bit earlier on 1:46:53.920 --> 1:46:55.600 the program, and I think it's kind of appropriate here 1:46:55.640 --> 1:46:57.840 to sort of, you know, begin to wrap up here today, 1:46:58.360 --> 1:47:02.160 I think it's appropriate to consider. Look, the jury is 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:05.120 still out, and so all I'm trying to do is 1:47:05.120 --> 1:47:08.240 provide a perspective here, not only on the coaching situation, 1:47:08.280 --> 1:47:10.680 which I agree, on the surface, it's kind of like, well, 1:47:10.680 --> 1:47:14.080 who the hell's running the show here? It's like a circus, 1:47:14.600 --> 1:47:17.679 you know, and the ringmaster doesn't have any idea whether 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:22.400 the elements or the drafts are coming out next. Yeah, 1:47:22.439 --> 1:47:26.600 but it's not really that way honestly, where are the 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:30.599 in Bill we trust fans? Where are the in Bill 1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:33.639 we trust people. I'm not saying that's right either, I'm 1:47:33.680 --> 1:47:36.000 just asking where you are because it seems like it's 1:47:36.040 --> 1:47:39.800 been heavily one sided towards Oh, we gotta have a coordinator. 1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:42.320 Oh we gotta know who's gonna be talking to Max here. 1:47:42.320 --> 1:47:47.439 It's so important for his development and year two bull Bull. 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:51.599 I don't think it's near as important. I really don't. 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:56.679 I think it's overblown. I think, as we discussed earlier 1:47:56.680 --> 1:48:00.639 on this program, there's a method to the madness here 1:48:01.600 --> 1:48:05.080 that if you need an offensive coach, the offensive coach 1:48:05.160 --> 1:48:07.200 that was going to come in is still a year away. 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:09.559 I'm yeah, I'm talking about Bill O'Brien because I think 1:48:09.560 --> 1:48:12.080 Bill O'Brien ultimately does want to get back. I frankly, 1:48:12.320 --> 1:48:16.040 have always believed that, you know, with Josh McDaniels left 1:48:16.479 --> 1:48:19.919 for Vegas, the first guy I thought of about replacing 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:22.840 Bill Belichick was Bill O'Brien. That's the first guy I 1:48:22.880 --> 1:48:29.240 thought of. Now, you may not agree, we said earlier 1:48:29.280 --> 1:48:30.720 on the show as well, that you know right now, 1:48:30.760 --> 1:48:32.679 I think that you know, Matt Patricia is being sort 1:48:32.680 --> 1:48:36.960 of groomed for that role. Okay, today that may be 1:48:37.000 --> 1:48:40.000 the case. That may change if Bill O'Brien comes into 1:48:40.040 --> 1:48:43.600 the fold, but he's under contract. Bill's not going to 1:48:43.720 --> 1:48:48.720 pants his friend Nick Saban and pull him away with 1:48:48.840 --> 1:48:50.360 a year left on his deal. He's not gonna do 1:48:50.400 --> 1:48:56.120 that to him. So he's not available. This is making 1:48:56.200 --> 1:48:59.040 chicken salad of chicken, is what it is. That's all 1:48:59.080 --> 1:49:02.880 they're doing here. The guy they want is unavailable. So 1:49:02.960 --> 1:49:05.160 here's how we're gonna handle it. And at the same time, 1:49:05.200 --> 1:49:08.000 we're going to try to improve your stock. And we're 1:49:08.000 --> 1:49:11.280 talking about Joe Judge, We're talking about you know, Matt Patricia, 1:49:11.320 --> 1:49:15.840 and potentially Nick Kayley if for some reason Bill O'Brien 1:49:15.920 --> 1:49:19.479 doesn't happen. But I think Nick Kayley is the young 1:49:19.479 --> 1:49:21.840 guy that's sort of lying back in waiting that they 1:49:21.880 --> 1:49:23.519 want to bring up through the system because that's the 1:49:23.560 --> 1:49:28.040 system that Bill Belichick believes in. I do think Kayley 1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:29.920 is going to be a part of this mix somehow, 1:49:30.680 --> 1:49:33.400 and the other two guys, being experienced X head coaches, 1:49:33.520 --> 1:49:35.800 are gonna ba basically, you know, provide the duck and 1:49:35.920 --> 1:49:40.720 cover and take the brunt of whatever criticism might come 1:49:40.760 --> 1:49:43.320 out of the Patriots screw up so they can continue 1:49:43.320 --> 1:49:47.760 to grow Kayley without undergoing the microscopic criticism that undoubtedly 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:51.040 he would go if he would name the coordinator. Okay, 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:53.240 that's that's that issue. And then, of course, then the 1:49:53.240 --> 1:49:55.439 other issue that has been all hot and bothered over, 1:49:55.560 --> 1:49:59.519 you know, Patriot Nation here has to do with the draft, 1:49:59.560 --> 1:50:01.479 and it's like, why do they draft these guys where 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:04.080 they drafted them? You know, all the Patriots draft stunk. 1:50:04.160 --> 1:50:07.240 They gotta do you, they gotta They're gonna enough, you know. 1:50:07.280 --> 1:50:08.600 And I've heard all that, and I'm you know, and 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:12.480 I'm like, look, those are all knee jerk reactions emphasis 1:50:12.520 --> 1:50:18.640 on jerk. You gotta be smarter than that. And the 1:50:18.680 --> 1:50:20.559 one thing I've always tried to do here on this show. 1:50:20.680 --> 1:50:22.320 If you're just changing, you know, checking us out for 1:50:22.360 --> 1:50:24.439 the first time, one thing I've always tried to do 1:50:24.439 --> 1:50:28.160 in this show is I tried to be smarter. I 1:50:28.320 --> 1:50:32.479 try to be smarter, that's all. I want to be smart. 1:50:35.880 --> 1:50:37.439 I'll go back. What was that that was the line 1:50:37.439 --> 1:50:45.760 in uh in um um oh godfather too, I'm smart? Right? 1:50:46.400 --> 1:50:56.839 Oh oh gosh, yeah right, you broke my heart. Oh goodness, 1:50:56.840 --> 1:50:58.519 that's all. That's all we're trying to do here. I 1:50:58.560 --> 1:50:59.840 want you to be aware. I want you to be 1:51:00.600 --> 1:51:05.000 I want you to equip yourself with different opinions, and 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:08.080 then you decide which one you believe in based on 1:51:08.160 --> 1:51:11.000 the different opinions that you're don't go one way and 1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:13.240 you haven't heard the other side of the story. Always 1:51:13.320 --> 1:51:16.640 have room for another side to the story. That's what 1:51:16.800 --> 1:51:20.519 storytelling in this business really is all about. Have room 1:51:21.160 --> 1:51:25.719 to consider, have space into your head space, into your heart, space, 1:51:25.800 --> 1:51:28.040 in your gut, wherever you want it put it. But 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:30.759 I have some room in there to consider someone else's opinion, 1:51:31.880 --> 1:51:34.400 that's all. And then you decide what you think is 1:51:34.439 --> 1:51:36.720 right or what you believe in, and then when the 1:51:36.720 --> 1:51:40.519 proof of the pudding comes out, then you'll know. But 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:42.920 you can't say you weren't educated. You can't say that 1:51:42.960 --> 1:51:45.800 you weren't informed. And that's all we're doing here, trying 1:51:45.800 --> 1:51:47.559 to bring different points of view. Sometimes you're not going 1:51:47.640 --> 1:51:49.920 to agree with them. You don't. I don't want everybody 1:51:49.960 --> 1:51:53.280 to agree with me. I like hearing different opinions. I 1:51:53.360 --> 1:51:55.960 like having reporters you know, and guys that I know 1:51:56.000 --> 1:51:57.479 in this business, like the three that we had on 1:51:57.520 --> 1:51:59.479 the show today. I like having those guys in here 1:52:00.000 --> 1:52:02.559 having different opinions. It just so happened that, you know, 1:52:02.960 --> 1:52:05.240 and I did not know this was coming today because 1:52:05.560 --> 1:52:07.720 you know, Marine, when we set this thing up, you know, 1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:09.240 and you told me who was coming on the show. 1:52:09.600 --> 1:52:11.759 This is good because I think these guys all different opinions, 1:52:11.800 --> 1:52:13.680 and I was surprised that I actually agreed with a 1:52:13.680 --> 1:52:17.280 lot of what they said. Doesn't make it right, but 1:52:17.360 --> 1:52:21.680 I found it interesting their take and it was demonstrative 1:52:21.720 --> 1:52:24.040 they were strong with it, and so that's good. So 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:25.720 that means they have the courage of their convictions and 1:52:25.760 --> 1:52:29.400 believing what they've you know, seemed thus far that might change, 1:52:29.760 --> 1:52:32.240 and I think we all know that might change. All 1:52:32.400 --> 1:52:34.280 I wanted to take just a couple of minutes here 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:37.040 before we wrap up, and I give you the poll 1:52:37.120 --> 1:52:40.960 results here on Twitter. First that I want to take 1:52:41.000 --> 1:52:43.639 care of is um you know, the issue that happened 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:50.760 yesterday in Uvaldi, Texas. I could admit I big pit 1:52:50.880 --> 1:52:53.120 in my stomach yesterday when I saw the news breaking 1:52:53.160 --> 1:52:59.240 over the absolute unmitigated tragedy that happened in Uvaldi. I 1:52:59.320 --> 1:53:01.559 have a friend of mine went to school with who 1:53:01.560 --> 1:53:04.599 was the high school band director in Uvaldi for decades, 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:08.800 who retired just a year or two ago. One of 1:53:08.800 --> 1:53:10.559 the one of the things that we had most when 1:53:10.600 --> 1:53:12.240 I was in college as well. You know, it was 1:53:12.320 --> 1:53:14.760 kind of a cliquish thing to do, but all of 1:53:14.800 --> 1:53:17.120 the members of my section in the Long Horned Band, 1:53:17.120 --> 1:53:20.000 we wore hats that said Uvaldi Bank, you know, just 1:53:20.040 --> 1:53:22.639 because of you know, our sectional leader being from Uvaldi 1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:25.559 as well, and so I have a little familiarity with 1:53:25.640 --> 1:53:28.920 the town. You know, fifteen thousand people. It's about eighty 1:53:29.000 --> 1:53:32.280 eighty five miles south southwest of San Antonio, so I 1:53:32.360 --> 1:53:36.120 know the area of the of the country fairly well. 1:53:37.520 --> 1:53:39.760 To say that it's a close knit community, which has 1:53:39.800 --> 1:53:42.559 been the way it's been described over the last you know, 1:53:42.640 --> 1:53:45.360 twenty four hours or so, is an understatement. I think 1:53:45.400 --> 1:53:48.120 most towns that size are close knit because there are 1:53:48.160 --> 1:53:49.639 a lot of people that do know a lot of people. 1:53:50.280 --> 1:53:53.960 But to have you know, just an unspeakable thing happened, 1:53:54.040 --> 1:53:58.960 like what occurred with you know, nineteen children losing their 1:53:59.000 --> 1:54:02.080 lives and to teachers losing their lives because you know, 1:54:02.240 --> 1:54:07.120 you know, some guy goes nuts on us speaks to 1:54:07.160 --> 1:54:12.240 a bigger problem that we have here. Now. You know, 1:54:12.360 --> 1:54:14.840 you guys know, Okay, you guys know if you've listened 1:54:14.840 --> 1:54:16.680 to this program at any point in time over the 1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:18.519 previous twenty one years, and we're getting ready to go 1:54:18.560 --> 1:54:22.000 into year twenty two with Patriots playbook this next season. 1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:24.599 I'm privileged and honored to have been here that long. 1:54:25.240 --> 1:54:27.759 I really like doing it. I like connecting with you guys. 1:54:28.120 --> 1:54:30.400 I like talking football, Like Bighead told us a little 1:54:30.400 --> 1:54:32.520 while ago, I'll talk football at any time and every 1:54:32.560 --> 1:54:34.760 time you know, you want to talk football, which is cool. 1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:38.240 But I think we're at a stage now. I'm I'm 1:54:38.280 --> 1:54:44.200 conservative by nature, I'm moderate socially, I would say, but 1:54:44.320 --> 1:54:48.200 we've reached a time or we got to do something. 1:54:49.880 --> 1:54:53.120 We just we gotta do something. I saw were Senator 1:54:53.200 --> 1:54:55.400 Chuck Schumer in New York saying today that you know, 1:54:56.320 --> 1:54:58.360 a gun bill is not gonna make it to the 1:54:58.360 --> 1:55:02.160 floor in the Senate truck. Shumer being you know, a 1:55:02.240 --> 1:55:06.160 decided Democrat. Okay, if we're going to politicize this thing, 1:55:06.320 --> 1:55:08.360 and he's saying, well, Bill, it's not important enough where 1:55:08.360 --> 1:55:09.760 it's not going to get to the floor. What the 1:55:09.800 --> 1:55:12.120 hell are we doing here? People? Somebody needs to step 1:55:12.200 --> 1:55:15.560 up and say, let's debate this now, let's do something now. 1:55:15.640 --> 1:55:18.960 We need to do something now. And if that means, 1:55:19.160 --> 1:55:23.160 as a stopgap measure we put police officers in every school, 1:55:23.160 --> 1:55:26.040 then by well damn do it. I don't think that's 1:55:26.080 --> 1:55:29.800 the ultimate answer, but we need to do something. You 1:55:29.800 --> 1:55:31.880 can't just sit here and twitter our thumbs for the 1:55:31.920 --> 1:55:33.840 next tragedy that comes along. You know what, It might 1:55:33.880 --> 1:55:39.360 be your school, it might be your kids. Nobody wants 1:55:39.360 --> 1:55:42.920 to think that, nobody wants to think the unimaginable. But 1:55:45.040 --> 1:55:47.240 you know, nineteen families have their lives, have had their 1:55:47.280 --> 1:55:54.440 lives destroyed, and it's just it's not right. We're better 1:55:54.480 --> 1:55:57.120 than that. We're the only country on the planet where 1:55:57.120 --> 1:56:03.200 this happens. Why ask yourself why? And we're really as 1:56:03.240 --> 1:56:06.360 good as we say we are. Why can't we do 1:56:06.480 --> 1:56:11.120 something about it? And those that stall that are in 1:56:11.120 --> 1:56:17.280 a position making position, a decision making position. If they 1:56:17.320 --> 1:56:19.960 don't do something about it, they're the ones you need 1:56:20.000 --> 1:56:25.000 to vote their asses right out of office. You get that. 1:56:25.000 --> 1:56:28.240 That goes Democrat, Republican, Independent or Martian. I don't care 1:56:28.240 --> 1:56:31.720 who the hell you are. Do something about it now. 1:56:32.960 --> 1:56:35.320 The other thing I want to talk about today is 1:56:35.800 --> 1:56:39.880 my good friend Eric Scallavino. I'm gonna read an email 1:56:39.920 --> 1:56:43.680 here very quickly was sent to web radio, but this 1:56:43.720 --> 1:56:46.320 one comes from Burt on Burton Island. It says, am 1:56:46.320 --> 1:56:48.000 I the only person who thought that the farewell to 1:56:48.080 --> 1:56:50.440 Eric last week was a little odd. You'd think that 1:56:50.520 --> 1:56:53.240 amidst all of the mostly deserved well wishing that went on, 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:55.920 there just might have been the teeniest information about why 1:56:55.920 --> 1:56:58.000 the dude is leaving and what he is going to do. 1:56:58.480 --> 1:57:00.120 Of course, the guy has the right to private is 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:02.840 he like all of us. I just think it's classic Eric, 1:57:02.920 --> 1:57:05.440 the fact that it would appear this topic was off limits. 1:57:05.680 --> 1:57:07.560 I'm guessing you all got a good long lecture ahead 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:10.320 of time about that subject being for voting. In any case, 1:57:10.440 --> 1:57:14.720 Eric was the consummate foil. You'll be strangely missed. Humph. Okay, 1:57:15.800 --> 1:57:17.720 No nobody got a lecture about it being for voting. 1:57:17.760 --> 1:57:20.360 It wasn't for voting. But it just like we weren't told. 1:57:20.400 --> 1:57:22.720 Nobody was told you you can't talk about this. Nobody 1:57:22.760 --> 1:57:28.440 was told Eric was relatively vague. Therefore we've been relatively 1:57:28.520 --> 1:57:31.640 vague about it because Eric doesn't yet really know what 1:57:31.680 --> 1:57:34.440 he's going to do. He just knew that he needed 1:57:34.440 --> 1:57:37.400 to do something different. We all have these moments. I 1:57:37.440 --> 1:57:40.120 think that's part of the problem why this country And 1:57:40.160 --> 1:57:42.560 I'm not blaming Eric, Okay, let me let me stress this. 1:57:42.960 --> 1:57:44.400 It's part of the reason why this country is in 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:45.880 some of the shape that it's in because we had 1:57:45.920 --> 1:57:50.040 so many people quit their jobs during the pandemic. Now 1:57:50.080 --> 1:57:52.240 I'm not saying Eric is doing that here, but people 1:57:52.280 --> 1:57:57.320 just reevaluate themselves when times get tough. People reevaluate themselves 1:57:57.320 --> 1:57:58.880 after a certain amount of time because they get in 1:57:58.880 --> 1:58:01.400 a rut and they wanted to something different with their lives. 1:58:02.680 --> 1:58:04.880 I've been there, You've been there, We've all been there. 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:09.040 Eric is there now, and he's had a blast here. 1:58:09.440 --> 1:58:12.040 He's very good at what he did. I enjoyed the 1:58:12.120 --> 1:58:15.640 back and forth and the digression that we've had on 1:58:15.680 --> 1:58:17.800 this show over there. You know, he's been part of 1:58:17.840 --> 1:58:20.360 this show for the ten years. He's been here, he's 1:58:20.360 --> 1:58:22.480 been a regular part of the playbook for ten years. 1:58:24.560 --> 1:58:27.400 And you know, I'm gonna miss the banter with him 1:58:27.440 --> 1:58:33.000 because Eric was, as Bert says, the consummate foil. He 1:58:33.160 --> 1:58:37.360 was also a good bleep stir right. He really was. 1:58:38.120 --> 1:58:41.360 He liked to stir it. That's okay, because that's what 1:58:41.480 --> 1:58:44.480 makes good conversation. That's make that, what's what what makes 1:58:44.560 --> 1:58:48.040 good radio, what makes good listening. It's entertaining. There's an 1:58:48.120 --> 1:58:51.400 entertainment value here that we know must be delivered otherwise 1:58:51.440 --> 1:58:55.360 you're not going to listen. I get that, we all 1:58:55.400 --> 1:58:57.400 get that. And if anybody doesn't get them in this business, 1:58:57.440 --> 1:59:00.680 they don't last very long. That's why he see podcasts 1:59:00.680 --> 1:59:03.520 sometimes come and go and where did that podcast go? 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:05.680 I like Lesender too. It's gone because they don't want 1:59:05.680 --> 1:59:09.040 to stick with it. Guys, we've been here for now 1:59:09.120 --> 1:59:12.040 going on twenty two years. We're sticking with this one, okay, 1:59:13.240 --> 1:59:15.440 And that's why, you know, we hope that you'll stick 1:59:15.480 --> 1:59:17.839 with us as well. There is a certain thing to loyalty. 1:59:18.360 --> 1:59:21.720 Eric is also loyal. Eric is gonna land very well, 1:59:21.760 --> 1:59:24.560 and he's going to find something that you know, really 1:59:24.600 --> 1:59:29.680 pops for him coming up, and I you know, I'm 1:59:29.800 --> 1:59:32.440 sure we'll be in touch. Our friendship isn't over just 1:59:32.920 --> 1:59:36.160 because he's moving on to something else. He just wants 1:59:36.160 --> 1:59:38.920 a new challenge, a new door to open in his life. 1:59:39.160 --> 1:59:41.880 And you can't open up a new door, generally speaking, 1:59:41.960 --> 1:59:45.840 unless you close the one behind you, and that's that's 1:59:45.880 --> 1:59:49.200 kind of what Eric's doing. I fully expect Eric to 1:59:49.240 --> 1:59:51.920 spend more time with you know, Nutmeg Animal Welfare, which 1:59:51.960 --> 1:59:54.960 is the you know, nonprofit charity that he started a 1:59:54.960 --> 1:59:58.120 few years ago that I support, and if you're you know, 1:59:58.600 --> 2:00:01.600 interested in animal welfare, I think it would be worth 2:00:01.640 --> 2:00:05.440 your time and your reference to spend as well. Eric 2:00:05.480 --> 2:00:08.160 will probably do more writing. My guess is he might 2:00:08.200 --> 2:00:11.000 do some traveling because we know that Eric loves to travel, 2:00:11.040 --> 2:00:14.240 and hopefully with the pandemic, you know, at least becoming manageable. 2:00:14.240 --> 2:00:16.320 I'm not going to tell you that it's easing, because 2:00:16.320 --> 2:00:18.240 it's still out there and I think we understand that, 2:00:18.320 --> 2:00:20.760 and that's the sad part about all of this, but 2:00:20.920 --> 2:00:23.640 we're learning to live with it. I just had my 2:00:23.680 --> 2:00:27.160 second booster this week, not me for a loop. For 2:00:27.160 --> 2:00:31.400 a day, I had the worst headache, but you know, 2:00:31.520 --> 2:00:34.000 I'm better today. It's fine. It's a small price to 2:00:34.040 --> 2:00:37.839 pay for a little added extra protection. And that's just me. Okay, 2:00:38.120 --> 2:00:40.440 it's not for everybody. I get that, but I think 2:00:40.440 --> 2:00:41.960 that's part of the reason why we're in the shape 2:00:42.000 --> 2:00:43.600 that we're in. And you know that I've opined about 2:00:43.600 --> 2:00:45.600 that on this show. And I don't do this to 2:00:45.920 --> 2:00:49.080 opine about, you know, medical things and what you should 2:00:49.160 --> 2:00:51.160 or shouldn't do, or to shame anybody. Everybody's got their 2:00:51.160 --> 2:00:52.920 own reason. But I'm telling you that's why we're in 2:00:52.960 --> 2:00:55.320 the shape that we're in, because we don't have people 2:00:55.360 --> 2:01:01.640 that are you know, considerate of others. Just don't. And 2:01:01.760 --> 2:01:05.320 we do have people that are very selfish. Eric is 2:01:05.360 --> 2:01:07.600 not one of those people. I'm gonna miss my interaction 2:01:07.680 --> 2:01:10.640 with him. I'm gonna miss whipping him with word of 2:01:10.680 --> 2:01:13.920 the day every week too. I think I batted. I 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:15.680 think I went like last week last year. I think 2:01:15.680 --> 2:01:17.120 I went like where did I go? Last year? Like 2:01:18.240 --> 2:01:20.280 I swear I was gonna do this, and I completed 2:01:20.280 --> 2:01:23.320 this is you're gonna go for the show? Were what 2:01:23.440 --> 2:01:27.880 my record was? All right? For every game week that 2:01:27.920 --> 2:01:29.640 we did that show? All Right? So we go back 2:01:29.640 --> 2:01:33.240 for the seventeen weeks of the regular season, right, Okay, 2:01:33.520 --> 2:01:37.720 I'm gonna wager I was probably I was better than 2:01:37.720 --> 2:01:40.920 the Patriots. I'm gonna say I was twelve and five. 2:01:43.240 --> 2:01:45.280 That's my prediction. I think I was twelve and five. 2:01:45.320 --> 2:01:48.120 I might have been better. I might have been I 2:01:48.120 --> 2:01:49.600 don't think I was a little worse because I think 2:01:49.600 --> 2:01:52.000 I think I smoked it pretty much last year in 2:01:52.080 --> 2:01:53.640 terms of the spelling of the word of the day. 2:01:53.680 --> 2:01:56.600 I think I got it. I think I got it. Anyway, 2:01:56.640 --> 2:01:58.800 that's my prediction. See how close I get twelve and five. 2:01:58.840 --> 2:02:00.600 We will find out in the June Show. All right, 2:02:00.840 --> 2:02:03.600 June Show. Speaking of June Show, We're gonna do our 2:02:03.680 --> 2:02:07.560 June program on June twenty second. This year won't be 2:02:07.600 --> 2:02:09.560 the very last Wednesday. It'll be the next last wednes 2:02:09.680 --> 2:02:11.440 because I'm gonna try to sneak in a vacation week 2:02:11.480 --> 2:02:15.480 before my summer camps at school start this summer. So 2:02:16.040 --> 2:02:17.960 June twenty second will be the date you want to 2:02:17.960 --> 2:02:20.920 mark on your calendar for Patriot's Playbook. And we're going 2:02:20.960 --> 2:02:23.160 to do something that we did during the during the 2:02:23.200 --> 2:02:27.600 bye week of the regular season. Okay, I'm gonna invite regulars. 2:02:27.640 --> 2:02:30.160 I'm gonna invite you know listeners. I'm gonna invite you 2:02:30.280 --> 2:02:34.480 guys to co host the show with me on June 2:02:34.520 --> 2:02:37.120 twenty second. So, yes, we hope that we'll be able 2:02:37.160 --> 2:02:39.280 to get Claire in the UK and we hope that 2:02:39.320 --> 2:02:42.640 we'll get you know, uh, Miguel Pat's cap and you 2:02:42.680 --> 2:02:44.520 know Christian with you know, Chris with a T, I 2:02:44.640 --> 2:02:48.120 A N. And you know all of the regulars, Eldred 2:02:48.680 --> 2:02:51.640 and there are many more that you guys know and 2:02:51.760 --> 2:02:53.440 those of you who call the show regular you know 2:02:53.440 --> 2:02:56.320 who you are. What I'm going to ask you to 2:02:56.400 --> 2:02:58.040 do is if you'd like to be a part of 2:02:58.040 --> 2:02:59.720 this discussion and be a part of it. I want 2:02:59.720 --> 2:03:02.080 you to reach out to Marine so you can send 2:03:02.120 --> 2:03:06.000 him a DM on Twitter, okay, or just send him 2:03:06.000 --> 2:03:09.600 an email to web radio at Patriots dot com say god, 2:03:09.640 --> 2:03:11.440 I'd like to be a part of that, and we're 2:03:11.440 --> 2:03:13.880 gonna have fun. I'm looking for six, seven, eight of 2:03:13.920 --> 2:03:15.760 you that we're going to rotate in on the on 2:03:15.800 --> 2:03:17.840 the two hour bases that we're here, and we're just 2:03:17.880 --> 2:03:20.720 we're gonna talk about mini camp. We're gonna talk about 2:03:20.760 --> 2:03:23.680 the draft. We're gonna talk about our projections and predictions 2:03:24.040 --> 2:03:26.640 you know for you know, the early part of next season. 2:03:26.920 --> 2:03:30.600 We're gonna talk about NFL wide issues as well. We 2:03:30.720 --> 2:03:33.000 might even pull you know, the guru, you know, Russell 2:03:33.040 --> 2:03:35.160 Baxter into the equation as well, since I kind of 2:03:35.160 --> 2:03:37.720 consider him a regular on the program too, I gave 2:03:37.800 --> 2:03:39.320 him a break this month since you know, it is 2:03:39.400 --> 2:03:41.480 kind of becoming summer here, but we might pull the 2:03:41.520 --> 2:03:43.600 Guru into this thing as well, Russell Baxter for next 2:03:43.640 --> 2:03:44.840 month as well. So if you'd like to be a 2:03:44.840 --> 2:03:46.280 part of it, I'd love to have you. And if 2:03:46.280 --> 2:03:48.400 you have never been a part of it before and 2:03:48.440 --> 2:03:49.480 you want to be a part of it, and you 2:03:49.480 --> 2:03:50.720 want to be a part of our little you know, 2:03:50.760 --> 2:03:53.960 clubhouse here, then you know, by all means, reach out 2:03:53.960 --> 2:03:56.160 to Marine and we're gonna get you on the list 2:03:56.160 --> 2:03:58.320 and we're gonna rotate it around and we'll let you 2:03:58.360 --> 2:04:00.360 guys kind of be the star of the show months 2:04:00.400 --> 2:04:02.760 because you know, next month is we will have just 2:04:02.840 --> 2:04:06.560 started the dead period. OTAs are over, Mini camp is over, 2:04:06.840 --> 2:04:09.840 and vacations beginning for a full thirty days before we 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:12.120 get to training camp. Training camp is gonna start the 2:04:12.200 --> 2:04:15.560 last week of July. I'm gonna start the last week 2:04:15.560 --> 2:04:17.320 of July. It's gonna be here before you know it. 2:04:17.560 --> 2:04:22.120 So we're literally two months away from football getting started 2:04:22.120 --> 2:04:25.000 for real. We're kind of like sputtering here, but we're 2:04:25.000 --> 2:04:27.560 gonna get on get it on in about two months, 2:04:28.120 --> 2:04:30.000 so that's kind of where we are for next month. 2:04:30.040 --> 2:04:31.280 So I hope you'll want to be a part of 2:04:31.280 --> 2:04:32.600 that because it was a lot of fun to do 2:04:32.720 --> 2:04:35.040 during the bye week last year. We'll probably do it 2:04:35.080 --> 2:04:38.240 again for the bye week this year, just because we'll 2:04:38.240 --> 2:04:40.600 have actual football to talk about. But I think it's 2:04:40.600 --> 2:04:44.280 fun because you guys that are regulars, and even regular listeners. 2:04:44.280 --> 2:04:47.040 I want regular listeners to also, you know, take a 2:04:47.080 --> 2:04:49.480 couple of minutes to call in or volunteer to be 2:04:49.520 --> 2:04:52.000 a part of the show. You don't have to have 2:04:52.080 --> 2:04:56.840 any special talent other than you know, answering a couple 2:04:56.840 --> 2:04:59.520 of questions and voicing an opinion. Everybody's going an opinion. 2:04:59.600 --> 2:05:02.000 Like I said earlier, you know, opinions are like belly buttons. 2:05:02.000 --> 2:05:04.720 Everybody's got one, okay, so I know you got one. 2:05:05.400 --> 2:05:09.000 I'd love to hear from you, whether you're a newcomer 2:05:09.040 --> 2:05:11.000 or an old coomer or whatever it may be. Next 2:05:11.040 --> 2:05:12.480 months of a month. Want you to reach out and 2:05:12.520 --> 2:05:14.240 we're going to talk about whatever's on your mind and 2:05:14.240 --> 2:05:17.120 will react to what's been going on on and off 2:05:17.120 --> 2:05:19.720 the field around the New England Patriots. Our thanks to 2:05:19.880 --> 2:05:23.240 Martin Dundero from EI, and Andy Hart from EI, Evan 2:05:23.320 --> 2:05:28.680 Lazarre from CLNS Media, and of course the Marine Matt 2:05:28.720 --> 2:05:32.560 Morrell himself. And thank you for taking the time, Thank 2:05:32.600 --> 2:05:36.960 you for listening, Thank you for allowing me to opine. Oh, 2:05:37.000 --> 2:05:39.120 I gotta get the toll. Shoot it closed. I gotta 2:05:39.160 --> 2:05:41.360 do this before we stop here. Hold on, wait a second, 2:05:41.520 --> 2:05:46.120 I almost forgot Okay, Poul is closed. The answer as 2:05:46.880 --> 2:05:51.000 is an assigned play color or coordinator must have or 2:05:51.040 --> 2:05:54.920 no big deal. Fifty five percent of our respondents say 2:05:55.800 --> 2:06:02.400 no big deal. I'm a little surprised by that, but 2:06:02.560 --> 2:06:07.400 then again, I think you people are smart. I'm not dumb, Mikey, 2:06:07.600 --> 2:06:12.520 I'm smart, so are you. For your father? Your father, 2:06:13.680 --> 2:06:19.320 talk to you next month. Thank you for downloading this podcast. 2:06:19.560 --> 2:06:22.840 Subscribe on Apple, Google Play, and everywhere else you listen. 2:06:23.160 --> 2:06:26.440 Like the show, Please rate and review us. Listener comments 2:06:26.440 --> 2:06:29.160 and ratings help keep us high on the podcast rankings 2:06:29.240 --> 2:06:32.440 so new listeners can find us. Be sure to Checkpatriots 2:06:32.440 --> 2:06:35.520 dot com for more news and more podcasts.