1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: You have these rappers, these comedians, these straight black men 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: who are highly uncomfortable with the sex scenes between you, 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: your character of the Clifford and Little Murder, and they 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: say things like, well, y'all should have gave us a 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: warning if that was going to come on the screen. 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: We feel uncomfortable watching that without a heads up. How 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: do you feel about that when you know it's coming 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: from our community. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: To that, I say congratulations, because that is what art 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: they supposed to do. Are they supposed to create conversation? 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: Are they supposed to stir up the pot? It is 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: supposed to be reflective. 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: Stay tuned. 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: We'll get to my conversation with Nico Ahnen right after 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: these quick ads. 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: Welcome to Realny with the King. It's me Carlos King. 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: The King of Reality TV and one of the most 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: rain drops, So usually I talk to your favorite reality 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: stars or people from the unscripted world, like Megan McCain 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: who's a talk show host from the view right. But 26 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: today we have an exclusive interview with one of my 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: favorite actors on television who also stars on one of 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: my favorite scripted shows, Baby. I'm talking about Nico Onen, 29 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: who plays Uncle Clifford on stars as p Valley. 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: Nico and I both talk about what it's like to. 31 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Be gay black men born and raised in Detroit, Michigan, 32 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: and how our upbringing change our adult life. In addition 33 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: to that, we get into representation of openly gay men 34 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: and women on television. We talk about how these rappers 35 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: and comedians who are heterosexual men have an issue with 36 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: seeing two actors have a love scene on the show. 37 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: This one is so good. It's a bonus episode. 38 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: I can now wait for you guys to hear it, 39 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: just in time for tonight's season two finale of Pea Valley. 40 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: Without further ado, here is my conversation with Nico Onen. 41 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 4: Down in the valley with the girls. 42 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: If you're throwing vans and you know they're gonna shake it, Hey, 43 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: what's Carlo and you have a boys? 44 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: We have so much unpacked here, So I want to 45 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: get started by giving your flowers. I am a Detroit 46 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: native born and raised. 47 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 4: What I'm gone? 48 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: What up? 49 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 4: Go? 50 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: Three? One three? 51 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: I was born on the east side of Detroit. 52 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: What about you? 53 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: We still love you? I was. I was born over 54 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 4: on off Joy Road and Clarity. 55 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that's where I had like first you know, 56 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: birth through third grade, and then I moved. We moved 57 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: to Rosedale Park over on the west side, so six 58 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: miles south Field Freeway. 59 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I just love it. 60 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: And you do a good job at wrapping the d 61 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm an openly gay black man born and raised in Detroit, Michigan, 62 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: moved to Atlanta, Hollywood to make it big in the 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: reality TV world. And when I look at you, Nico, 64 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: you remind me of somebody that little gay black boys 65 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: from Detroit like me when I was a kid could 66 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: watch this show and look up to them because there 67 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: was no representation of that when I was growing up. 68 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: And I get that a lot from my community, and 69 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure you. 70 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: Get that a lot too. 71 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: So what does it mean that you are breaking down, 72 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: you know, walls in this industry in terms of being 73 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: this phenomenal actor but also just this phenomenal human being. 74 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: Thank you. 75 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: Come on, now, what does it mean? It means I'm 76 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: doing my job. It means that I am present and 77 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: not my job as working over for the network over 78 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: at Stars. I'm told being my job as a human being. 79 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: I never like aspired to be in everybody's house, you 80 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. 81 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 4: Like I was like, I'm not trying to be that 82 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 4: much of a hole, you know. 83 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: I feel like for me, I really, for real, I 84 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: really just was trying to be the best that I 85 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: could be, you know. And I think through that process 86 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: that this has happened. I just wanted to tell stories. 87 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: I just wanted to be an artist. You know. At 88 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: first it was just I want to dance, and then 89 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: that dance grew into storytelling in a different kind of way. 90 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: And I say to the boys. 91 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: And the girls and the vims that are of younger generations, 92 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: sometimes the opposition is the very thing that shapes you 93 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: into being. 94 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 4: The tool to be able to be used. There were 95 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: so many times that people told me that I was 96 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 4: not enough of this or too much. 97 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: Of that, whether that was my size, whether that was 98 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: my color, whether that was physical attributes, or whether that 99 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: was my personality and throughout it all like God had 100 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: just made a way for me to be used in 101 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: a way that I didn't necessarily see coming. And I 102 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: would also say to them, don't be discouraged by the 103 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: slow burn, the slow burn of your career, of your love, 104 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: of your life, your aspirations, whatever that is. 105 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: I'm speaking generally. 106 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: But the slow burn, because the slow burn of this 107 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: moment for me is indeed a part of the secret 108 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: sauce that makes it so palpable for most people. It 109 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: is what makes me be able to digest this moment. 110 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: So when you say, like how do you feel and 111 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: all this stuff, I do not feel any different than 112 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: I did when we were doing the workshop plays of 113 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: Pea Valley or Pussy Valley at the time in two 114 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: thousand and nine, when we were going to the Lark Theater, 115 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: when we were going to the Hip Hop Theater Festival, 116 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: when we were into the Apollo, when we were going 117 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: to Marcus Vineyard and the other like different places where 118 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: Katory works out the place or in DC. 119 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: You know, this has allowed me to do that. 120 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: You are inspiring the people, and you're also inspiring me 121 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: because what you're saying is so true We're both openly. 122 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: Gave black men from Detroit, Michigan. 123 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: We know that in Detroit at the times we were 124 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: growing up, there wasn't much happening in the city. So 125 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the fact that I tell people my story of being 126 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: twenty five years old, you know, I was an intern 127 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: at BT at twenty five, Whereas most people will say, child, 128 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: if I'm not a millionaire by that age, I'm gonna 129 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: give up, you know, my trajectory. And here I am 130 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: at forty two years old, living my best life. But 131 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: I did that because of the trajectory that was meant 132 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: for me. And if I would have given up early, 133 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: I would not be talking to one of the greatest 134 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: actors of all time. So being somebody in this business, 135 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: were you always Nico? 136 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: Were there ever. 137 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Times you put aside your sexuality to focus on the 138 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: work or were you always somebody that felt comfortable being 139 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: openly gay when you got your start in Hollywood? 140 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: So the answer to that question, I think goes back 141 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: to me a little bit more into my training. So 142 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: in high school, so I went to cast Tech. 143 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: Ooh, you're smart. Just a my listeners know. Cast Tech 144 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: is one. 145 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Of the accredited high schools in Detroit, and here's some 146 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: tea for y'all. I took the test to go to 147 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: cast Tech and I failed. 148 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: It's all right, it's all right. How many times did 149 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 4: you take the test? 150 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: Once? 151 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: Why you ain't go back? 152 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: I was embarrassed. 153 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: See see that's when you needed an Uncle Clifford rule 154 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: to tell you sometimes you got to turn the window 155 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: to the door. Don't just take one exit or one 156 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: reason as your only yes or no. There's always, always, 157 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: always another way. When people would be like, oh my god, 158 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, Cliffered, just give up the club, and I'm like, listen, 159 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: there is where there is a will, my god, there 160 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: is a way. 161 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: So turn that dough to a windows. Where did you go? 162 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: You're gonna have me embarrass myself some more? 163 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: N you went to Servanty, don't do me? 164 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 3: I was probably where'd you go? 165 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 4: Child? 166 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: I went to Fennie High School? 167 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 4: Don't play. 168 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: My cousin Tania, God rest her soul, she went to 169 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: Phinney don't play. And my mama went to Kettering. Okay, 170 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: see see you you you got the uh the respectability 171 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: politics going on in your head. 172 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: You need to let that go. You need to let 173 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: that go. 174 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: See you are one of the people that I've been 175 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: talking about online with, well, why they gotta sound like 176 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: this this because this is how we talk. Hey, So 177 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: this is who we are. This is who we are. 178 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: So we're not gonna be ashamed of that. We're gonna 179 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: embrace that and show the royalty that we all are. 180 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: So anyway, I was just ashamed that the school is 181 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: now burned down to the ground and Feinni no longer exists. 182 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: But I'm with you, Miko. 183 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: Okay, come on, It's called a phoenix. But we got 184 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: to move on because I'm not gonna gonna give you 185 00:09:59,080 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: there you go. 186 00:09:59,600 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: Okay. 187 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: So back when I was in high school, I was 188 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: my my drama teacher, Marilyn McCormick. Most people who went 189 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: to CAZ and had some experience in the arts know 190 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: this woman. 191 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: She is a pillar in the community. 192 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: She told me we were doing an improv sketch show 193 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: and I was in the Pia Guild and it's kind 194 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: of like Saturday Night Live. 195 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: Or Mad TV. 196 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: And so there was one day we were performing a show. 197 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: It was probably like maybe fourth or fifth period. You know, 198 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: I'm really going back into high school, right, and there 199 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: were we were doing this comedy sketch and I was. 200 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 4: On stage, but I couldn't. 201 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: I couldn't get my lines out because there was some 202 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: heckling coming from the audience with someone like the football 203 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: players or the jobs, you know, just the hyper masculinity 204 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: that was there. I've always been Nico. To answer your question, Yes, 205 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: I've always been Nico. I've never been taught to be 206 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: ashamed of who I am and what God made me 207 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: to be. So when this heckling was coming back at me, 208 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: I was waiting for one of the teachers that are 209 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: in the audience, you know, to kind of calm the 210 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: kids down, you know, like get them to hush up, 211 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: And I went to We had two shows that day, 212 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: and in between the shows, I went to Miss McCormick 213 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: and I told her. I was like, mc you know, 214 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: you got to get these kids, you know, you got 215 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: to get them together, you know, make them, you know, 216 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: like quiet down. She said, that's not my job, Nico. 217 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: That's your job. You're on stay you control the audience. 218 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: So when you ask me that question, has Nico always 219 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: been Nico? 220 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: There has been. 221 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: From that moment, there was something that changed in me 222 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: that allowed me as a performer to know this is 223 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: how you can take up space when people say that 224 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: you are too big, you're too loud, you're too jazzy, 225 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: you're too much pizazz, whatever that is. How is it 226 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: that you can then use that and be present and 227 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: use that as your superpower, As one of my friends, 228 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: Delon Burns Size says in his new song Superpowers. So 229 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: for me, that was about just being present. You take 230 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: that principle in and of itself and you match that 231 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 2: to what acting is intended to be, and that is being. 232 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 4: Child. 233 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: We are not done yet. 234 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my conversation when Nico will 235 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: be right back after this quick break. 236 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 237 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: Let's get back into this insightful conversation with Nico. We 238 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: have to get into your character, Uncle Clifford. We have 239 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: some iconic characters in drama series from Olivia Pope and Scandal, 240 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Annalise Keating from How to Get Away with Murder and 241 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: now Uncle Clifford from Pea Valley. Talk to us about 242 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: who did you research in order to take on the 243 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: essence of this role, because when I watch it, I 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: literally cannot see anyone else playing that role. But you 245 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: people say certain roles are meant for that person. Although 246 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: you know a lot of actors auditioned for that role. 247 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: I feel like that role was created for you. So 248 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: what was that process, like you auditioning and then getting 249 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: the role. 250 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: Well, the first part of your question of who did 251 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: I research and stuff like that, I didn't research anybody. 252 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 4: I absolutely did not. I allowed myself to dream. 253 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: I asked Torri, where when I first read the first 254 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: sides besides of our part of the script, I've told 255 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: this story. You know, this process all started with five pages. 256 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: It was five pages, two scenes. Uncle Clifford was only 257 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: in two of those pages. The other three was Mississippi 258 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: Mercedes and somebody else. 259 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: I don't even remember. 260 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: In whatever it was, another character and it just grew 261 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: from there. That was she just wanted to hear how 262 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: it sounded out loud. It was a salon series essentially, 263 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: that happened that she was having at her house. She 264 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: was a writer an residents over at the Lark Theater 265 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: Company in New York back in two thousand and nine. 266 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: They commissioned this stuff, and she, as a writer, was 267 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: like going through it. So I asked her, I said, 268 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, what is the story behind this, Like 269 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: why are you creating this character? Because the description is 270 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: what caught my attention. Eyelashes dancing like butterfly, wings and 271 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: nails like eagle, talents like claws emerging from the shadows 272 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: Uncle Clifford. She is equally masculine and feminine. So when 273 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: I read that description, I was like, Oh, this just 274 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: don't say drag. This doesn't just say flamboyant, This just 275 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: doesn't say gay. So I knew that there was something 276 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: special and tangible here. The two references to those animals 277 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: of the butterfly and the eagle, they studying them. What 278 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: eagles and butterflies do has been a part of the work, 279 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: and the reference to the euryba deity Ola coun I 280 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: think a lot of times in my discovery and journey 281 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: and playing Uncle Clifford, a lot of people try to 282 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: put on what they think or what they may know 283 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: of the community and the hate and you know, all 284 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: of that weight that. 285 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: Can come with it, the discrimination. 286 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: I am blessed and in the space of being able 287 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: to know my roots, you know, and I don't even 288 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: know them as well as I feel I should, you know, 289 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: to be fully transparent. 290 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 4: My dad is from Ghana. My mom is here. 291 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: I went to Ghana for the first time when I 292 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: was ten, so my mind was opened. So when I thought, 293 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: when I was in my research as an adult getting 294 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: this character, I'm just looking at all the different things. 295 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: What are pieces that can come to me. One of 296 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: the pieces that came to me was the African ancestry 297 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: that the show has always had, and I knew it 298 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: was lace in there. Victory never said to me anything 299 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: about you know this specific deed. I discovered it because 300 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: on the page, and just to give you guys a 301 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: little context, on the page, it will say for like, 302 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: for example, miss Mississippi, she moves like O'shoon and her 303 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: waves are and if you don't know, O'shoon is the 304 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: goddess of water, for the deity that embraces water, and 305 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: that's why Mississippi the river, Mississippi her name. The way 306 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: she moves, the way she dances is very it's very fluid, 307 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: much different than a Roulette, a whisper, a gidget, a Mercedes. 308 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: Each of the girls have a different dance style. So 309 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: when I started to think about Uncle Clifford, I found 310 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: about and read about this eurobu deity, Ola con Olacun 311 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: being back in our African ancestry was always identified in 312 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: both masculine and feminine measure. Sometimes there would be fit hair, face, gold, jewelry. 313 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: Sometimes they would be just a masculine face and body. 314 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: But they it was said that when you embrace both 315 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: of those equally, you can be two power. So they 316 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 2: locked ola Coon up in a chest, chained around the 317 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: chest and buried Olacon at the bottom of the ocean 318 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: because the pressure of the ocean was the only thing. 319 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 4: That could suppress that. 320 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: That imagery and that story resonated for me for a 321 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: level of resilience, a level of strength that I felt 322 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: that a person could have when you do not allow 323 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: society to say you are too masculine, too feminine, blah 324 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. That's a real in depth version 325 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: of why. But then doing the production and the play, 326 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: that is the stuff that taught me being in the world. 327 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: The director and Nataki Garrett for the play. The fully 328 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: produced play was done in twenty thirteen, fifteen, one of 329 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: those at Mixed Blood Theater, and she had said to 330 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: me one day, she was like, Okay, so Nico, it's 331 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: time to go. We're gonna go and get your nails 332 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: done and send you to the barbershop so you can shave. 333 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: And I was like shave what? She was like your beard? 334 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not shaving my beard. Why not 335 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 4: shave my beard? Oh? 336 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: You know, you know for the role. You know we 337 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 2: need to start. You know, you can do dress rehearsal 338 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: and things like that. And I was like, no, she 339 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: has her beer. And there was a story behind that 340 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: that's connected. You know, I won't even go too deep, 341 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: but the story connected to the you've seen a taste 342 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: of it if you paid attention episode one, season one 343 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: of why her beard is the way that it is. 344 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: And then they wanted me to get nails, and to 345 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: get nails crytics truly glued on and everything. That was 346 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 2: an issue for me because I was in Sank Paul, Minnesota. 347 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: I'm in a different neighborhood. I'm in a different city. 348 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: I don't know this place. I don't know the dangers, 349 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: the pitfalls, where's the bad neighborhoods. And it really brought 350 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: on to me the reality of the weight that non 351 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: binary people and have to walk around in this world with. 352 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: So I took again, that's an example for all the listeners. 353 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: That's an exam of when I talk about the adversity 354 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: shaping me. So, yes, they want me to do this 355 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: one thing and I'm like, no, I don't want to 356 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: do that. But in that space, I was able to 357 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: see and imagine what it could be, like, Oh, if 358 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 2: I take the subway back to the place my Airbnb 359 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: where they got me staying, Oh, I may really have 360 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 2: to go Detroit and like, you know, fuck somebody up. Oh, 361 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fighting with you. Do you know what 362 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: I'm say, I'm gonna be fighting with nails. I bet you. 363 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: Clifford has had to go through that. 364 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 4: I bet you. 365 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: Oh. 366 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: So that is a part again, connect that to why 367 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to keep my beard. This is not The 368 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: Pink is not a drag club. The Pink is not 369 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 2: Langston's in New York. It's not like your open gay 370 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: party like that, you know, and we're down south. The 371 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: Pink is a castle that Uncle Clifford has been able 372 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: to create to have her identity. 373 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 4: Do you understand what I'm saying. 374 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: That it is a place where people can be who 375 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: they want to be, whether that is Corbyn or whether 376 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: that is miss Mississippi. 377 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: The thing about the show is it's rooted in reality, 378 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: based on Uncle Clippers World in Mississippi. And what's funny 379 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: is I created a reality show called Bell Collective, and 380 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: Bell Collective is based in Jackson, Mississippi. And what's funny 381 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: is Patrick am Polk is one of my mentors and friend, 382 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: and he said to me, bitch, you know, we watched 383 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: Bell Collective to get the accent and the vocabulary and 384 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: the language right so that when we write these words 385 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: for the characters. 386 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: Is rooted in really Mississippi. 387 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: And that's the beauty and authenticity of the show, of 388 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: you being a great actor and just the believable nature 389 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: that you guys bring onto the screen so much so 390 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: you have these rappers, these comedians, these straight black men 391 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: who are highly uncomfortable with the sex scenes between you, 392 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: your character of a Clifford and Little Murder and they 393 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: say things like, well, y'all should have gave us a 394 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: warning if that was going to come on the screen. 395 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: We feel uncomfortable watching that without a heads up. How 396 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: do you feel about that when you know it's coming 397 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: from our community, especially people in the entertainment industry who 398 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: you would think. 399 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: Would know this is a role that you guys are playing. 400 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 4: It doesn't surprise me. 401 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me because that is a part of 402 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: what human natures we do. You know, when you get 403 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: uncomfortable with something, you either try to make fun of 404 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: it or you talk about it. It ruffles your feathers 405 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: to that. I say congratulations, because that is what art 406 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: is supposed to do. Are they supposed to create conversation? 407 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: Are they supposed to stir up the pot? It is 408 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: supposed to be reflective. I think sometimes people can be 409 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: shaken up. Let's just say, because we are really striving 410 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 2: to be real, like real on. 411 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: The screen and in the moment. 412 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 2: We decided when we did the pilot presentation for this, 413 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: all right, we're doing it. We literally it was our fonds, 414 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: Jail Fons, Nicholson, Brandy Evans, Shannon Thornton, el Rica myself. 415 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 2: We were all in the set of The Pink and 416 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: we were like, okay, we were all in character, we 417 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: were dressed, and we were like, y'all, we we up 418 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: here on our floss. All right, we have naked. Let's 419 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: tell these stories. What better place to get naked? When 420 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: we stay down in the valley where the girls get 421 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: naked it's not about clothes. We're talking about heart, we 422 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: talk about mind, so that you can truly see who 423 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: these people are. And I think that a lot of 424 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: the community, whether that's the people who are represented in 425 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: the show, I think sometimes you haven't seen such audacious boldness. 426 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: There's lots of great black shows out there or shows 427 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: that deal with our stories. 428 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 4: I salute them. I support them. 429 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: I think it's been a challenge to be able to 430 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 2: be so authentic where I say at the repass, oh, 431 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: you know, I need something for the chitlins that I'm 432 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: going to get, and they come and it's a nice 433 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: fresh zip lock the little containers that you get from 434 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: the supermarket, you know that you can get with the 435 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: little blue lid or the green lid or whatever. And 436 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, I 437 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 2: need like a spaghetti used tulp aware bo and I 438 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 2: need a piece of fall huh. No, this needs that's 439 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 2: what you're gonna put the chitlins in, or you're gonna 440 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 2: give me another red bucket. But that's not gonna fitness 441 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: burke in purse. You know what I'm saying. That's what 442 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about. I'm really thinking about, Oh if you 443 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: ain't got no bacon sheet to bake your biscuits on. 444 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: You take a piece of the fall when you first 445 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: move into your apartment, or if y'all ain't got it, 446 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: you take the fall your dad out, you put your 447 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: biscuits on it, or you as a kid, you take 448 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: the little nine to nine cent biscuits. And he was 449 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: making donuts. You know what I'm saying, because you couldn't 450 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: go to the like It's about the ingenuity to me, 451 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 2: so it goes beyond just the sexuality. That's the part 452 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: I feel that sometimes people have ignored or have chosen 453 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: to ignore for so long. But I'm going to say 454 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 2: to you, Carlos, also as many people that there are 455 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: that are ruffled by their feathers, I'm proud and I 456 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: have to salute because I don't think we do this enough. 457 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: The brothers and the sisters and the thems that are 458 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: out there speaking and being vocal and advocating. When Leon 459 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: Sanders was talking about, yo, I need to have Uncle 460 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: Clifford come and do the kickoff. You know, when Snoop 461 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: is sending me a message and he's advocating online about 462 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: how much he loves the show, that doesn't mean that 463 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: people are quote unquote connected to the community or in it. 464 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, We black on't youir? Fuck? 465 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: What we're doing with how you identify whatever you've seen 466 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: in this black skin first? That's what you see first 467 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: before people see me. They often times may be more 468 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: intimidated because I'm six too, and I'm coming at you 469 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: like strong, shoulder, straight back, what's up? Do you understand 470 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: what I mean? I'm not trying to intimidate you. But 471 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: it's also not my fault. When you find those same 472 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: curves and that same mustang a little sexy, that's not 473 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: my fault. 474 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 4: Talk to God. You should pray about that. 475 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: And I only got this way because of the time, bro, 476 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: because of the time that I had to get to 477 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: this moment. Do you understand what I'm saying? Because I 478 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: thought about this the other day? Because I oftentimes have 479 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: moments of just straight up gratitude randomly because I'm like, 480 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: oh my god, it's still happening. Because the benefit of 481 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: this is that it happened during COVID. So for y'all, 482 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: y'all people at the Pink Posse, which I just named 483 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: one day out of my mouth online. I was just 484 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: like y'all, y'all pink posse is crazy and that joker 485 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: call on and everybody's hollering about the paint posse. Now 486 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm here for it. But the fact that something from 487 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: my mind or from my mouth cannot test and become 488 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: something so tangible you can't tell me shit. You can't 489 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: tell Patri you have to walk around with a certain 490 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: knowledge because this came from her head. What made you 491 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: think of Uncle Clifford. I just wanted to know, she said. 492 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: I just wanted to know what it could be like 493 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: if a person fully accepts themselves. And I just want 494 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: to see what that could be like, all of their masculinity, 495 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: on all of their femininity. I'm interested in that she 496 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: always has her work from the beginning because I knew 497 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 2: her first as the playwright before I even she you know, 498 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: I got words she wanted me to read for the 499 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: thing because she didn't know who I was. I was 500 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: referred to a friend, a friend that I went to 501 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: cast Tech with back in Detroit. Come on, I'm just 502 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: saying it was literally because of these same people. That's 503 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: why I hate when I meet people and they dismiss themselves. 504 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: I don't care that if you ain't on no quote 505 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: unquote network show. I don't care if you are on 506 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 2: a network show. I meet Beyonce and I'd be like, Hey, 507 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: I'm Nico. 508 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 4: What's your name? Because she may want to tell me 509 00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 4: that her name. 510 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: Is niche of that day, she may have a real other, 511 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: a legal name that she would prefer people meet and 512 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: go by. 513 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 4: I'm meeting Janet Jackson. Hey Janet, Hello, my name is Nico. 514 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 4: How are you? And She's like, hey, I'm here for you, 515 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: she said, I like you. 516 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: Jane is a fan of the show and a fan 517 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: of yours. 518 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 2: Get out of my face. I almost want to push 519 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: your shoulder, but you're not here in person. 520 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 3: But how does that. 521 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: Feel, Nico, Janet, Demita, Joe Jackson, the icon for the 522 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: community and in the world. 523 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 3: How does that feel to know that Janet. 524 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: Jackson is sitting at home watching you on television and 525 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: then to say to you to your face that she's 526 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: a fan. 527 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: Oh, it feels good as shit. If you know like 528 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: you on a deeper level. I mean I don't even 529 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 2: think about it, to be honest. You know when you're 530 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: when you're performing, and when I'm doing when I'm performing 531 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 2: and when I'm on set. I'm thinking about y'all. I 532 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: am not thinking about nobody. I forgot that my mama 533 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: had never even seen Pea Valley, and I was like, 534 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: oh wait, let me. 535 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: Give you some pictures. 536 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: Let me show you something before this come out in 537 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: the world. Do you say what I mean? Because, bro, 538 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: because my art means that much to me. 539 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 4: It has. 540 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: I have been through too much. I've knocked down too 541 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: many doors to let it just go willy nilly and 542 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: like let anybody's opinion or thought change me. If that 543 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: weren't the case, if that was really my makeup, I 544 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't be here now. 545 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: I couldn't be here. 546 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: So many people will tell you all the time, you 547 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: two that you do that. There's a difference between taking 548 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: critique and taking blows. You know what I'm saying. You 549 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: know you I know how to swallow a brick. What 550 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: that means? You don't I take that l yup, I 551 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: gotta pull up, I gotta do better, boom. But guess 552 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: what you telling me? That I'm too big for this, 553 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: or I gotta close my gas, or that I'm too 554 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: dark for that. 555 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 4: Okay, you'll see, You'll see. I had no idea. 556 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: I had no idea, no, and you're living proof of that. 557 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: And that's why you inspire me too, because I felt 558 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: the same way growing up in this business where I'm 559 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: a reality TV creator and executive, so there's so much 560 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: shade when it comes to the genre TV that I produce. 561 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: I'm an openly gay black man. 562 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: People talk about my voice the way I talk. You know, 563 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: I was a skinny kid in high school. My name 564 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: is Carlos King. The football players used to call me 565 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Carlos Queen for obvious reasons. But I never allowed any 566 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: of those things to take me away from achieving what 567 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: I knew God. 568 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: Put in my heart for me to attain. 569 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: And when I look at you and I hear your story, 570 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: you are such a big motivation for the world because 571 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: you are proof that when you are authentically you, and 572 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: you have greatfulness in the spur of the moment, because 573 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: that's that's nothing but God reminding you that I'm with you. 574 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: I come before you and a lot along these green pastors, 575 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hold your right hand and You're gonna 576 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: be victorious in this world. I just wanted you to 577 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: know that you represent that to the world, and it's 578 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: no mistake that two black gay boys from the d 579 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: are able to live their best life because they're living 580 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: with authenticity and to grow up in Detroit as we did. 581 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: It tastes courage to do that, but we're living proof 582 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: that when you, when you stay true to yourself, God 583 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: can open up the floodgates of happiness that will blind 584 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: your eyes. And when I look at you, I need shade, honey, 585 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: because your future is so bright that this is only 586 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: the beginning. 587 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: I thank you, I thank you, I say thank you, 588 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: I thank you. No, it's a blessing, it's an honor. 589 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: I'm here for the moment. I'm grateful, Bro, I'm so 590 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: grateful because I feel like we whether you talk about 591 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: reality TV or whether you talk about portraying a gay character. 592 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 4: I used to think about me Shaq. 593 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: Taylor in Holly as Hollywood and Mannequin, Yes right. 594 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 4: And I thought about Flip Wilson. 595 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: I thought about the character in an iconic and classic 596 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: play called The Colored Museum by George C. 597 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 4: Wolfe called mss Rage. 598 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: I thought about all of these portrayals of queer life 599 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: that I saw on screen specifically, and then I thought 600 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: about the ones that I've read in literature, and then 601 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: I thought about. 602 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 4: The ones that were in on plays. 603 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, because back in Detroit, we all know about 604 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: the Chipman circuit, you know what I'm. 605 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 4: Saying, And I just knew a lot of the whole. 606 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: Shelley Garrett, the beauty shop place. And I always thought 607 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: about like, even as a child, when I saw that 608 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: flamboyant gay man, I didn't think that that was me. 609 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: I didn't think that was me, even though people said, oh, nikoh, 610 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: you're so loud, you're so this, Oh you dance, oh 611 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 2: you sing? Oh, go ahead, table, But I in my mind, 612 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it wasn't a conscious thing. 613 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 4: It just was the way that I was wired. I 614 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 4: never just saw that. 615 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: So my training took me through a period where quote unquote, 616 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 2: you have to learn how to play straight. Okay, Now 617 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: for some people that's a huge issue. That's a huge issue, 618 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you why it was not for 619 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: me at the time. I bumped up against it. But 620 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: I'm grateful for it now because I was learned, was taught. 621 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: I was taught, and I learned how to portray character 622 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: without constraint to say, oh, this is a black version 623 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: of King Lear. No, this is king Lear, this is 624 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: a gay queer version of king Lear. No, it's just 625 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: king Lear. This is who this is, who this character is. 626 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: So I have had the benefit of having an entire career. 627 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 4: We're up until twenty seventeen. 628 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: I ain't never played no queer character on camera, and 629 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: only twice on stage. So for me, that idea or 630 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: that subconscious or that weight of oh you're gay is 631 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: showing or oh I didn't have any of that because 632 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 2: I did this other work. 633 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 4: It's just like people who say, oh. 634 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: You can't direct and act, Oh you can't sing and dance, 635 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: you can't do it all. You gotta just pick one. 636 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: That's what people told me. That's what people told me 637 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: leaving high school. You go, you know, you're on this 638 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: band track, you're on this acting tract. You just got 639 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: to pick one because they both require too much. I 640 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: get what you're saying. Now, you're not telling me I 641 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: can't do it all. I'm gonna reframe that and relinquish 642 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 2: that I can't do it all well at the same time, 643 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: so I can pick and choose which one I want 644 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: to do at the time. So the time of being 645 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: in this just station period and learning how to do this. 646 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 2: Whether you're starting off in reality TV and you got 647 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: dreams of going over here and being Oliver Stone, live 648 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: your life, whatever your dream is. Because for some people, 649 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: their dream is literally just to be on a stage. 650 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 4: That's it. 651 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 2: Some people their dreams put me in the background. Yo, 652 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 2: you saw me drinking that water in that scene. 653 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 4: Oh that's me. That's what they need, I aspired higher. 654 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: Tell us what we can expect from the season finale 655 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: of Pea Valley. 656 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 2: Well, you see how murdered merk Pico two episodes ago. 657 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: If I told you what's about to happen, I would 658 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: have to do that shit to you. 659 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,479 Speaker 3: Well, don't about that, child. 660 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 4: We don't want that. We don't want that. No, no, no, 661 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: we definitely gonna want that. 662 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: I think that this this season, I'm it's been a 663 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: complete ride. I call it the Olympics, the emotional Olympics. 664 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: It's been a whole world wind. Let me ask you 665 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: real quick. Christ Hell, when you go back to the 666 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: beginning of this season, did you imagine this would be 667 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: the ride? 668 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 669 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: It's it's it's I can't even find words to describe 670 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: this season and the magnificent like worlds that were tapping 671 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: into the episodes where we got to learn backster about 672 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: you and the individual you know characters and your grandma 673 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: and your mother no yeah, yeah yeah, and you being 674 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: a top like none of that your character child. 675 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 2: See this is listen, you playing in real life. Don't 676 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: play yourself anyway Again Again, it's about the expectations that 677 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 2: people have or the boxes. 678 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 4: You understand what I'm saying. 679 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: That in and of itself, to me, is about the 680 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: conversation of where the characters are in their relationship. Are 681 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: they willing, how willing are they to be open with 682 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: one another? You understand what I'm saying. Whether the relationship 683 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: is between two women, two men, a man and a woman, 684 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter of them in a vey, it does 685 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 2: not matter. It's about expressing. Letting these characters express how 686 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: they feel for one another, and you the audience, getting 687 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: to sit with that. I feel like that the writers 688 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 2: have done Katori has led the writers on an amazing, 689 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 2: amazing journey this show. I think what really rapples people 690 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: is that it's such a sophisticated niche. The show has 691 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: just a style and panache to it, and I don't 692 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: think that you are oftentimes accustomed to seeing us taken 693 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 2: so literally and then also seeing way there's craftsmanship that's 694 00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 2: in this. 695 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 696 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: There are other shows out there that absolutely have it, 697 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: but we as an audience have to respect that. 698 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 4: We go to Twitter, we go to social media, but 699 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 4: the people who watch Succession I am in dB, they 700 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 4: go to Rotten Tomatoes. So there's a level. 701 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: Of oh, how do we then cross over and make 702 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: our opinions and our voices known on those other platforms 703 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 2: as well. That also helps to increase and gets more 704 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: shows like this produced. And the phrase that always catches me, 705 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 2: sometimes fairy tales are simply horror stories with happy ending. 706 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,959 Speaker 2: That is a line that we say in the show. 707 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: Sometimes fairy tales are horror stories just with happy endings. 708 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 2: So this episode coming up, we will see if it 709 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 2: is a fairy tale or a horror story. 710 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 4: For you. 711 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 3: I can talk to Nika all day. 712 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: I feel like t and I were friends for years. 713 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 3: Who would have thought that an actor. 714 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: Of his stature Honey would join Carlos King to give 715 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: my listeners on Reality with the King not only juicy 716 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: things about the season finale of Pea Valley, but also 717 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: some very insightful, informative dialogue just about life in general. 718 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: Did y'all love that quote as much as I did 719 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: when he said, sometimes fairy tales are horror stories with 720 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: happy endings. Now, I know y'all love a good Old 721 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: Housewives tagline, child, but that one is going to be 722 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: the official Reality with the King tagline. We must invite 723 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: Nico back when season three premieres in a couple of months, 724 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: because I just can't wait to continue not only the 725 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: conversation that we have with Nico, but also. 726 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 3: Our friendship Raindrops. 727 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: Make sure you tune in and watch the season two 728 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: finale of Pea Valley tonight on Stars at ten pm. 729 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: Thoughts opinions read to about my conversation with Nico. Email 730 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: me at Reality with the King at stitcher dot com 731 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: or leamail voicemail at three one oh five nine three 732 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: eight one eight eight. 733 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to Reality with the King. 734 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: New episodes drop every Wednesday and Friday, Share, comment, follow 735 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: and subscribe to Reality with the King. Wherever you get 736 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: your podcast, visit Realitywitheking dot com and be sure to 737 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: follow me at the Carlos King Underscore on Instagram and Twitter. 738 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is a production of More. 739 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 3: Sauce by Stitcher. 740 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: It is executive produced by me Carlos King and Jasmine 741 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: Henley Brown. We are also produced by Sierra Spragley, Rix 742 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: eng Rank and music by Marcus Ham More Sauce MHM