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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It is Monday, the eighth of

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Speaker 1: August twenty twenty two, and the King is dead. Long

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Speaker 1: live the King. Hi everybody, it's time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: I am merely one half of your unbelievably piece of

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Speaker 1: shit washed host duo. It's Luke Thomas. I join you

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Speaker 1: from the capital of mistadas Aninos here in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: I mean, could I look like I've been in the

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. But the man who is to

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Speaker 1: my left the right of your screen, he is fresh

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Speaker 1: off of vacacions. It's Brian Campbell, the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: Hi BC.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, buddy, Thank you for welcoming me back.

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. I was happy to unplug

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Speaker 2: I got a little rock lobster here. Quick pro tip, Luke,

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Speaker 2: don't take a Caribbean cruise in the summer unless you

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Speaker 2: want to sweat and complain the whole time. But outside

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Speaker 2: of that, good times, great oldies. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: the first time, Luke, to try to see if it's

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Speaker 1: What does the drink package offer you? Like, everywhere you

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Speaker 2: Well, there's there's tears to it. There's a mid level

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Speaker 2: it's all you can drink except for the top shelf bar.

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Speaker 2: So I went full you know, I went full manty

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Speaker 2: I drank enough to break even. But did I really

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Speaker 2: That's really what my family and my liver to ask

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Speaker 1: Uh, did you see any cool sites, any any any

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Speaker 2: very very famous, Luke. It's it's it's it's legit, it's intense,

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Speaker 2: So I was, you know, I was doing the old

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Speaker 2: there thinking, you know, how's chucks chemistry with Luke is

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Speaker 2: like seven days, Luke. So I'm really happy to be

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Speaker 1: Happy to have you back. Certainly there is no one

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Speaker 1: the docket today, what do we have BC. We have

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Speaker 1: have you seen this shit?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so obviously BC and I are doing the show

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love it, And Luke, happy forty third birthday

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Speaker 2: to you last Friday. I didn't tell the world about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not you know what, I'm really not

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Speaker 2: So I want to see your your heart break so

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Speaker 1: Did you? I just need a break, dude. I've had

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Speaker 2: you know, like I'm learning from this jeter, doc Luke.

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Speaker 2: You you got to keep some things private.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's right. You got to keep some things private.

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Speaker 2: don't know. Did you see the Woodstock ninety nine Netflix stock?

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Speaker 1: Terrible shit Also, if you don't remember it, I remember

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Speaker 1: Woodstock ninety four. I was about thirteen years old when

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Speaker 2: Very absolutely a lot less rapee. I'm fortunate, fortunately, Luke. Fortunately, Okay.

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Speaker 1: They also didn't hold it on a on a decommissioned

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Speaker 1: see this remind everyone Showtime is label that pays you

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Speaker 1: had missed the Danny Garcia fight. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: no charge, no harm, no foul. Did you get a

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Speaker 2: Not yet. I'm slowly catching up Painia New nests too, today, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe it'll just go to stor Love and Thunder. We'll

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Speaker 1: It's better. It's better than thor Love and Thunder. It's

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Speaker 2: I mean, you'll know, Hey, one more Can I waste

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Speaker 2: your time one more time? Luke?

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 2: I rewatched Remember I saw it in the theater when

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Speaker 2: A freaking classic. I know it won six Academy Awards

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Speaker 1: fight speech where he said, you know, you guys are

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Speaker 1: keep talking about experience, but you've never experienced anything like me.

434
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Speaker 1: And you know I've seen I'm paraphrasing, I've seen your kind,

435
00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, many kind many times before, something like that,

436
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,000
Speaker 1: which was a nice little way to stick it to

437
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,760
Speaker 1: him because this was only his twelfth or so fight.

438
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Speaker 1: But here is my concern for him. It's not his upside.

439
00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 1: His upside seems to be high. But the next step,

440
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,639
Speaker 1: I think is a little bit unclear to me. Because

441
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,080
Speaker 1: his a game, his southpaw boxing slash kickboxing game. It's

442
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,720
Speaker 1: ready to go. He can beat with that game. If

443
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Speaker 1: someone accommodated him and fought him on those terms, he

444
00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 1: could be anyone in that division. He could beat eerie

445
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 1: in this division. He could beat Glover, he could beat Yan, right,

446
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 1: he could not guaranteeing it, but it's good enough to

447
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 1: beat those guys. The problem is his B game appears

448
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 1: to me to be strictly defensive. Right, So these guys

449
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,679
Speaker 1: are developing games where they're really really good at it,

450
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 1: and then they're just kind of ironing out the defense

451
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 1: on all the other parts of their game. I think

452
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 1: that will only take you so far unless your A

453
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,919
Speaker 1: game is so dominant no one can stop it. And

454
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Speaker 1: I always go back to the same example, like Habib

455
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,600
Speaker 1: Hiss sort of wrestling and grappling game. It was so

456
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Speaker 1: dominant he didn't need much of a striking game. But

457
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't see Jamal hill on the Habib kind of

458
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Speaker 1: over the division level. To me, he's gonna need more things.

459
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Speaker 1: And while he was able, while he showed good takedown defense,

460
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 1: good scrambling, and good defensive wrestling, there was really no

461
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: offensive component to it. And to me, you are eventually

462
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 1: going to have a problem if that is the case.

463
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Speaker 1: So while I thought there was a lot to take

464
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Speaker 1: home that I thought was great, and in particular, he

465
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Speaker 1: has some of the very best boxing at two five,

466
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Speaker 1: and I do think he deserves to bump up from

467
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Speaker 1: ten to somewhere between five and seven in the rankings.

468
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,360
Speaker 1: This was legit. I do think that next step though,

469
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Speaker 1: those top five guys, particularly your Rackages, your on Coliaves,

470
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 1: maybe even your Tashera's, they're gonna pose a potential problem

471
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Speaker 1: with the rest of the game that isn't suited to

472
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Speaker 1: be offensive excactly defensive.

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Speaker 2: No, you nailed. You nailed the exact reason why I

474
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Speaker 2: still have cause on the next level. Now about this level,

475
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 2: you nailed a lot about his boxing, I think obviously

476
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Speaker 2: just look at the toughness and the ability to take

477
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: big shots to come back. He passed a big test.

478
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Speaker 2: He went deep into the fight another pass. I think

479
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Speaker 2: the thing I take away the biggest is his poise

480
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Speaker 2: because there were certain sequences that were out of control,

481
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Speaker 2: because that's what Maheta does. Mahet's is one of the

482
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: ultimate let me find out, let me drag you right

483
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 2: into the fight or flight scenario. And Hill got dragged

484
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Speaker 2: into that, but he didn't stay there, you know what

485
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 2: I mean. He was poised and he didn't go into

486
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Speaker 2: a shell because of it. And he also didn't let

487
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Speaker 2: his shit go too far and get ten. So a

488
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 2: lot to like about it, but still a lot more

489
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Speaker 2: we have to see. And the top of this division,

490
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Speaker 2: for what it lacks in star power at the moment,

491
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Speaker 2: there's a core. There's a common core group of guys

492
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Speaker 2: that are freaking hammers. So, Luke, you know the fight

493
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Speaker 2: I want for him, because I do think we have

494
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Speaker 2: a little bit rightfully, so we do have a little

495
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Speaker 2: bit of a bottle neck, like, for example, if it's

496
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Speaker 2: Prahotska Glover two necks, which is very possible, and then

497
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: it's Blahovich Unkliev, which is very possible. Obviously you got

498
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: Rackage hanging around there. And I do realize that Anthony

499
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Speaker 2: Smith beat Jamal Hill, so there's always the potential there

500
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Speaker 2: for a rematch. But Luke, how about Dominic Reyis, who's

501
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Speaker 2: ranked number seven at the moment. How about that? I

502
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 2: know it's one more step sort of in the other direction.

503
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Speaker 2: But Reyes is still young enough where I'm not sure

504
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: we've seen his last stand. Luke, I don't think we have. Well,

505
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean it, while that small, while that decline was sudden,

506
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 2: don Reis eventually is gonna come back and be don

507
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Speaker 2: Res again. I think. Isn't that a perfect matchup for

508
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Speaker 2: where they are right now, Luke, to find out who

509
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: really is where they belong in the rankings.

510
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Speaker 1: I like that one, I think because Reyes can push

511
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: a pace and mix things up. That would be interesting.

512
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Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't answer your your wrestling questions necessarily, Luke,

513
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: but you can't always pick and choose matchmaking to answer those,

514
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: you know.

515
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Speaker 1: Fair enough. The Paul Craig one is interesting too, because

516
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Speaker 1: you've watched the first Paul Craig fight, which I think

517
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Speaker 1: was like twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, so I think twenty nineteen.

518
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: You know, Craig made it look kind of easy, and

519
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: so I really wonder how much of his of his

520
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: game has developed since then, where that wouldn't necessarily be

521
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Speaker 1: the case, like Luzdimir got it done, but he kind

522
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: of struggled a little bit down the stretch to get

523
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Speaker 1: it done. I'd be curious to see a rematch there.

524
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Speaker 1: But on the other side, the Ray side, yeah, any

525
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: of those in the Uzamir fight would be good too,

526
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Speaker 1: although he's coming up.

527
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Speaker 2: A let me dead wrong on myself. For some reason,

528
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: I keep referencing this Jamal Hill lost to Anthony Smith.

529
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Speaker 2: Obviously it's the Paul Craig. One that that is sticking out.

530
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Speaker 1: Luke.

531
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Speaker 2: The last time I saw him lose.

532
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Speaker 1: He got submitted. He got submitted with an armbar ya.

533
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Speaker 2: So let me dead wrong myself right now. They didn't fight, right,

534
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: Luke Kim and Anthony Smith, So that's also a potential.

535
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Speaker 2: That's also a potential fighting. It wouldn't that fight better

536
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Speaker 2: answer the questions?

537
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: Then? Yeah, But Smith just got that really terrible injury

538
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: at UFC two seventy seven, so he's gonna be out

539
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: for a while a bit more. Whereas I think Hall's good.

540
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Speaker 1: If I'm excuse me Hill, If I'm Hill, I'm gonna

541
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Speaker 1: want to stay busy. I think if I'm him, I

542
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: want to squeeze in one more fight into twenty twenty.

543
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: Really began to capitalize on this momentum that he's got,

544
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Speaker 1: really began to push. Yeah, you can see here against

545
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: Paul Craig, he got his elbow dislocated, kept fighting and

546
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: then eventually the ref realized that it was completely fucked

547
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: and they had to let it go. This is to

548
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: me why it's like he was very defensive against Tago Santos,

549
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: which is by itself not a problem. And then getting

550
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Speaker 1: submitted by Paul Craig. It's like, dude, how good is

551
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: this kid? Striking? Very good? He's very very good at that.

552
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: But the other parts of his game for me to

553
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: really believe he can contend for a title, dude, Glover

554
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: to sharea I mean, whatever else you want to say

555
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: about him, how old he is and how shopworn he is.

556
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: My man has good takedowns. He knows how to find

557
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: the clinch and on top he will pass your fucking guard.

558
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: He will do it and he will pound on you

559
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: from mount like that is a real serious threat that

560
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Speaker 1: he has to contend with. Uncle I have can do

561
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: it too, So you know, I just don't know if

562
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: he's ready for that given what I've seen. But any

563
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of test short of that in that space you're describing,

564
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: I'd be happy with any of them, Okay.

565
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Speaker 2: And don't forget that Jamal Hill Luke is apparently the

566
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: baller of UFC fighters, because every time, you know, I

567
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: see a great fighter, I'm like, I wonder if he

568
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: could dunk. We found we have footage of Jamal Hill

569
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Speaker 2: reigning threes in that DC Bealam Muhammad was Jimo Las

570
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Speaker 2: Vegas shootout that they had apparently Jamal Hill is the

571
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: baller of the UFC, and I guess I could see that.

572
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: You see the athleticism, Luke, and the confidence. I could

573
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Speaker 2: see that guy being a you know, shootover double teams

574
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Speaker 2: and make it type of guy, Luke.

575
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I can understand that as well. All Right,

576
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about quickly though, staying on the main event.

577
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: Santos one in five in his last six. Now, as

578
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned BC, he did show some life in this one.

579
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Speaker 1: I actually thought he was really trying to get out

580
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: there and to the best of his ability to win it.

581
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Speaker 1: He didn't, though it's still going poorly for him. Why

582
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: and is this is this the end? What does this

583
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: say about Tiago Sancheles from where we go from here?

584
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Speaker 2: It's it's tough. It's always a difficult conversation, Luke, because

585
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: you know we're honest on the show. One of my

586
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: favorite fighters, Luke. I love the shit out of Maheta. Okay,

587
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: I mean he's either you know, knocking down or knocking

588
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: up many of your famous UFC fighters. He's got a

589
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: career highlight reel that's so damn entertaining. But Luke, he

590
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: poured it all out in his one big moment against

591
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: John Jones with two legitimate knee injuries and still fought

592
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Speaker 2: like a maniac and some people thought, you know, maybe

593
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: even deserved it. We always questioned how much the long

594
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: layoff in a damaging double surgery at that age, what

595
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: it was going to do to his ceiling. You know,

596
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: there was a legitimate question would he ever get back

597
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: to this point? But even within that gray area, there's

598
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: still levels to that. Because he got back to a

599
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: good point when he dropped Glover early and looked like

600
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: he was on his way to beating him. We've seen

601
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: these flashes of the old of the old man. Yeah, Luke,

602
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: he's still a way better fighter than his recent record indicates.

603
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: There's no question about that. Not a liability to himself.

604
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: He would be many top ten guys on a given night.

605
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: But we are consistently seeing, going back to the r

606
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: you are what your record says, you are, a sort

607
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: of conversation, he's no longer elite. He can be an

608
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: equivalent of an elite test if you get in there

609
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: and you catch one from him, but he's certainly no

610
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: longer elite. But Luke, you know, we'll probably have the

611
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: same conversation about Sam Alvy later, there does go a

612
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 2: point where there's a limit on the amount of high

613
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: level losses. You're sort of allowed to take and keep

614
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: your job by no means, I think, are you And

615
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put the picture out there that he's

616
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: washed or that he's you know, you should get rid

617
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: of him. No, like nothing. He's still can beat so

618
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: many guys, but there's something missing, Luke, and it may

619
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Speaker 2: just be the combination of age, the grind, and the

620
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: effects of that knee surgery. Now, look, Luke, he came

621
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: pretty damn close on a couple of high kicks. He's

622
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: always going to be that type of guy who can

623
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: spring out of nowhere, but he's no longer that type

624
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: of guy where that threat there every second of every

625
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: minute of every round. You know what I'm saying, Luke.

626
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: So I commend him for the attempts at wrestling to

627
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: try to almost take a cue from Glover and add

628
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: longevity year a game and he's only thirty eight. But

629
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: he is thirty eight, and he has been through a

630
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 2: lot of big time, heavy damage, back and forth fights.

631
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 2: I think you sort of just leave him alone, Luke.

632
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: He is who he is now a really tough out

633
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: and a big name that you can get on your resume.

634
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him bounce back with a win here,

635
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: kind of like what he did against Johnny Walker to

636
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: stem off some of the bleeding in the early part

637
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 2: of this. It's very possible, but I don't know what

638
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: you're looking to get me to say, because he's not

639
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: at that area yet where I'm ready to say those things.

640
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: And I love this too guy too much to see

641
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: him go. Luke. He makes fun ask fricking fights, and

642
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: looking back, I respect the shit out of him taking

643
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: that jug against Jones and just saying, whether I walk

644
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: again or not, this is my moment, let's go for it.

645
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: I think it was worth the risk, Luke. And right

646
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: now he's a second tier version of himself. He never

647
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: getting back to first tier. But that run first class.

648
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: That was good. Look, he had a good run. He

649
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: came that close. He came that freaking close.

650
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, partly you can just make an argument about

651
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: who he's fighting now because the last wind streak he

652
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: was on it's amazing to think about that he beat

653
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Holland. Kevin Holland is now at welterweight, and this

654
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: dude is firmly at two oh five, but they met

655
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: him at middleweight in twenty eighteen, Eric Anders, Jimmy Manawa,

656
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: and Jan Belhovich, with who he stopped in the third

657
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: round of that contest. Effect that was the one that

658
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: got him the John Jones title shot. But here's who

659
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: he's lost to, John Jones, Glover, d Hiera, Alexander Rakich,

660
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Maga mant UNCLIAV and now Jamal Hill. So what does

661
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: it tell us about him at thirty eight with extensive

662
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: knee surgeries. I don't think he can beat top guys anymore.

663
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: Now can he beat guys maybe inside the top ten

664
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: to fifteen, eleven to fifteen space, Maybe maybe that's actually doable.

665
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: We'll have to see. But these guys inside the top

666
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: five right outside of it, like that top five bubble,

667
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: depending where you want to put Jamal Hill. Yeah, it's

668
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: pretty clear he can't win these fights anymore. And whether

669
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: it's to your point, whether it's a combination of age

670
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: and damage and knee surgery and change in fight style

671
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff, hard to say exactly the

672
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: pinpoint one singular thing, but in combination the effect is

673
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: pretty clear. He can't beat these top guys at this

674
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: age anymore, at least not right now unless something John changes.

675
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: They need to change who he is fighting if he

676
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: wants to find a way to win.

677
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean, look, how did Showgun? Have you look at Showguns?

678
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: You know, last six to seven fights, Luke, there was

679
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: a big win streak in there because he's still now

680
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: looks not a direct comparison here, but he was still

681
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: at a point where he could beat those guys ranked

682
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen and he can expose him. Yeah, he

683
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: had to take sometimes sick damage even in big wins

684
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: to get there, but yeah, Maheta should be fighting the

685
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: guys outside of the top ten who are looking to

686
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: jump in. That's the level where he's at. He still

687
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: does carry a celebrity name to some degree, especially as

688
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: a potential opponent, and he can put him in the

689
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: main event in my opinion, even with those losses. But

690
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: that guy's not coming through the door anymore. But I don't,

691
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: as I summed up, I don't think there's anything really negative.

692
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: We could say, Luke, he went for it, but things end,

693
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: things come to a close. I mean, is there an

694
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: adjustment to his style. Is there a hybrid Glover two

695
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: point zero old guy leaning on the skills that he

696
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: may have never really worked on so strong to begin with.

697
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: Do you see any type of way he can slow

698
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: this fade down.

699
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Luke, I could see maybe getting busier with volume, because

700
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: if you just look at his ground game, it's just

701
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: a little too. It just doesn't have the neat and

702
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: tight control you need in the way that Glover does.

703
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: Glorer's got a really slick passing game. It's very efficient,

704
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: it's very balanced, you know. Mahetta doesn't really have that.

705
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: He does have again, he does have really good punching power,

706
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: but he has really good a kickboxing game. I think

707
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: getting busier at kickboxing range or really softening these guys

708
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: up might be the way. But dude, this is the

709
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: other part about it, Like, after all the wars he's

710
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: been through, after all the damage he's taken, after all

711
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: the shit his knees have suffered, you know, like you're

712
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: asking how much can he get back or change to

713
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: the answer may not be that much. Like it's a

714
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: lot to ask if someone to go through what he's

715
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: been through psychologically and physically and then just be like, oh,

716
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: let's switch gears and do something differently. Yes, it's commendable,

717
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: beyond commendable that a guy like Arlovski was able to

718
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: figure something out like that. But dude, he's the exception

719
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: to the rule, very much the exception to the rule.

720
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: It may not just be. I do think dialing back

721
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: the quality of opponent is now very much warranted at

722
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: this point. So let's see what happens then. But if

723
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: he loses to those guys, then you just have bigger

724
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: issues in play.

725
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: Do you think he can dunk a basketball, Luke? I

726
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: bet you Windmills.

727
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: Certainly pre nurse and knee surgery. I bet he could

728
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: certainly pre knee surgery. Now, I don't know.

729
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: Did you know that ten years ago he was stopped

730
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: by Vicente Luke at Middleway?

731
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's crazy, right.

732
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: I read that this morning. I was like, what really?

733
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking insane.

734
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean it's not quite bj Penn versus machetah, but

735
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: it's out there, Luke.

736
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, let's get to point

737
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: number two in the UFC's co main event. I mean,

738
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: what do you want to say about Jeff Neil? Easily?

739
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Easily easily I would say, the biggest name he's ever beaten,

740
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: number one, and I'm gonna say it's the best he's

741
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: ever looked. To me, he looked phenomenal. BC. You saw

742
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: this fight, tell me if you disagree with my framing

743
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: of it. And more to the point, just how significant

744
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: is this win?

745
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: Hugely significant because of that two fight losing streak and

746
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: the period of where it came where he was showing

747
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: huge signs of looking to be a guy who's going

748
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: to make a leap into the top five and potentially

749
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: do some damage to remind people. Decision went over ballall

750
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: and then stopping Nico Price and Mike Perry not not

751
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: you know, necessarily world beaters. But he was at a point, Luke,

752
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: where I think he's recovered now and he is that

753
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: guy again. And in between it wasn't just the two defeats, Luke,

754
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 2: it was trouble with the law outside the ring. It

755
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: was you know, long stretch during the pandemic. He had

756
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: to take on other full time jobs to try to

757
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: make ends meet. I mean, he's been through it where

758
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: it could have fallen apart for good. It seems to

759
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: be back where it needs to be because Luke as

760
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: always was not gonna make this easy. He was gonna

761
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: give you an elite level you know, chin and ability

762
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: to take damage and still try to win the fight. So, Luke,

763
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I almost do you get a little like

764
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: Johnny Hendricks vibes from him at times too. I mean,

765
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: his game, especially on the feed is is violent. It

766
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: it's maybe he's not as technical in terms of getting

767
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: to your chin with that big left hand like Johnny

768
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 2: would do, and maybe he's not the same wrestler. You

769
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: can tell me if I'm wrong on that. But in

770
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: terms of being able to land the type of violence

771
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: that can end to fight, you do that against Luk

772
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: at this point, not to Paul removed from that wind

773
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: streak he had. Dude, yeah you're back. You are exactly

774
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: where you were before things fell apart, Luke, And I

775
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: was happy to see that because this guy's got something

776
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: in there and I want to see him have a

777
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: chance to show.

778
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: It to us. It's funny you bring that up. So

779
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: what was one of the big hallmarks of this win

780
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: by Jeff Neil? It was doubling up or tripling up

781
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: or you know, going beyond that with same side attacks.

782
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: He would go left of the body left over the top,

783
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: or all those uppercuts from the same side. He was

784
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: doubling up and tripling up attacks with the same side.

785
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: HENDRICKX used to do that better than almost anybody. In fact,

786
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: I would say it's one of the signatures of his striking.

787
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: He would double and triple up from the same left

788
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: side all the time. Now, I don't know if that's

789
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: exactly what you're spotlighting. I think more you're talking about

790
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: just kind of the way in which he approaches and

791
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: and and the result that it had. Fair Enough, I

792
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: see some of those similarities too. But actually, if I

793
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: was going to pinpoint someone, you know, the generation before

794
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: this new generation to Walter Waits who struck like him

795
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: on the feet, it would in fact be Johnny Hendricks.

796
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: It's actually, it's actually kind of crazy you brought that up.

797
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: Be see, because I think it's entirely apt. Dude's boxing.

798
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: Dude his boxing in this fight. I am starting to

799
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: see guys who have Again, I am not going to

800
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: play this stupid ass game where I'm like, oh, give

801
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: him boxing gloves and they can go win world titles.

802
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: That's not what That's not going to fucking happen for

803
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: any number of reasons.

804
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: But oh wait, wait, I got just got off the

805
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: cruise ship. Did Jake Paul fight look Ahead? Done?

806
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. It was great. Go check it out

807
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: on YouTube. It was amazing. It was really I'm glad

808
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: we waited for it. But what I was gonna say

809
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: was the level of improvement where he is doubling and

810
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: tripling up on the same side. And by the way,

811
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: I want to point this out. Guys who can slip,

812
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: I talk about all the time. Slipping is really important.

813
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: And the guys who can put slipping an offense together.

814
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: I can slip. There's my defense, and through it I

815
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: have offense that I can come over the top with.

816
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: He has that as well. Dude. He was putting strikes

817
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: on on angles on Luk, around the gloves in between

818
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: it up the middle. As the guy was getting too linear. Dude,

819
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: he dissected. He dissected Luk in the most vicious way

820
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: you probably could with a boxing game. Even after Luca,

821
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: by by the way, staged a little bit of a

822
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: rally so to speak, kind of kind of centered the boat,

823
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: I'll say, in the in the in the chalky.

824
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: Of those counters, he it was like, oh shit, yeah, in.

825
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: That second round. But then he got out there in

826
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: that third round. Dude, this was I think you said

827
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: it exactly right. BC. He was on a track and

828
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: then shit got derailed. Dude. This was him fucking Big

829
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: John Henry pulling it back onto the track and setting

830
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: that thing in motion. I am very very much back

831
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: on the Jeff Neil bandwagon, so to speak, in terms

832
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: of what he can do. And I know his team's

833
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, we were always on it. Great.

834
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: We don't know all the inside stories, We don't know

835
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: what the truth is. We only know what we can

836
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: see in the cage, and there was some things that

837
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: were signs of concern. This was him very much getting

838
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: back to where he should be. And I was super

839
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: impressed by him.

840
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: Loved it, and you know, and and I like his

841
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: hard working personality, so that was good to see too.

842
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: Luke at five to eleven, do you think he dunk spectacularly?

843
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: See at five to eleven. I don't know what kind

844
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: of ups he has. He's obviously a good athlete, right,

845
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: does he have ups? Though?

846
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: That's a different dude, Why are we not doing an

847
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: All Star Game dunk contest at International Fight Week? Please okay. Anyway, Look,

848
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: my real question to you is what do you do

849
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: with him? Where you put him? I mean, you know

850
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: this isn't the same guy that lost to Thompson and

851
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: and got the split decision, went over Ponzinibo last time

852
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: out to Kay to keep things going in the direction,

853
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: I know we got you know, Brady gonna be tied

854
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 2: up here soon in a big fight. We're Jeff Neil

855
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: at thirteen. Where do you see him going from here?

856
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Well? See, this is the interesting part. This was a

857
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: big risk for Luk, and God blessed Luk got God

858
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: bless these fighters. Man, I don't know how much people

859
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: really appreciate it, guys who are willing to take opponents

860
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: whose ability far out strips their ranking. Luk was sitting

861
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: at six heading into this fight, and so he fought

862
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: a guy at thirteen, not seven, not eight, not nine,

863
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: not even ten. Thirteen He took this fight. So Neil

864
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: is gonna bump up, probably in that seven to ten space,

865
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: which would put him around Steven Thompson, who kind of

866
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: beat him thoroughly in one of the first two consecutive

867
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: losses that he had. Jorge Masswittal. I don't know if

868
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Hogey Maswell was gonna want in a Jeff Neil kind

869
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: of opponent, very tough, not much upside in terms of

870
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: name value. Brady is sitting at nine, so he's busy

871
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: with Bellaal. We'll see what happens there. Ten is Chef

872
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: catt Rochmanov. That's an interesting one. Jeff Neil versus shot

873
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: cut rock Monov. How do you like that?

874
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: Well, dude, that's damn. I mean, rankings wise, it would

875
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. But it's like, you know, well, well,

876
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: come meet the wood chipper. You know what I mean.

877
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: It's like, it's yeah, I I am. I don't want

878
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: to forget that. He did make a ball. She called out. Look,

879
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: he called out Gilbert Burns after it. I don't know

880
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: if you saw that if you had the sound down

881
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: when he said that. I feel he got me right

882
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: in the field spot Luke. I mean, I was just like,

883
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: oh my.

884
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, Burns hasling and you understand it, dude.

885
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Burns has been angling for the Masvidol fight, which, by

886
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: the way, he wants money.

887
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: He wants money, he wants he wants to be in

888
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: the in the in the Chandler level of wars now, Luke,

889
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: he wants to see.

890
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: This is why the rock Mono fight makes more sense.

891
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Rockmanov is all too happy to take the challenge, right,

892
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: But if you're Burns, do you want to fight tough

893
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: ass Jeff Neil who doesn't have a super big name,

894
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: or do you want to fight a guy who's also tough?

895
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: But maybe you want to fight Jorge Dude, that's what

896
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: you want to do exactly.

897
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: So that's why I think it's like, maybe they run

898
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: the WonderBoy fight back. Maybe, but I tend to think

899
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: that wonder Boy doesn't want that fucking fight either. The

900
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: rock Monov one Michael Kisa is another one you could do,

901
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: but I tend to think it's even going too low. Yeah, dude,

902
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: I think that rock Monov fight is looking pretty fun

903
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: potentially and tough as shit by.

904
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: The way, Yeah yeah, real tough.

905
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh okay. So in terms of where we go

906
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: here with Vicente, Luke, this is a guy BC. He's

907
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: only I think thirty one, I'll double check here. He

908
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: keeps bumping up to the top, bumping up to the top,

909
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: bumping up to the top, and then falling short. And

910
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: this was the first time I think he'd ever been

911
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: stopped with strikes in the UFC. This is a bit

912
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: of a bad loss. And he, you know, he was

913
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: in the back foot. I mean that first round was

914
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: ten eight really, to be honest with you don't know

915
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: how the judges exactly had it, but it should have

916
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: been a ten eight. Where does he go from here?

917
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: Where is his stock at this point?

918
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay? Again, I'm the king of backhanded compliments. It's why

919
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: all fighters inevitably end up painting me, Luke. But here's

920
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: the deal, I'm not actually that concern by this loss,

921
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 2: even though he doesn't get stopped normally. Look, in this fight,

922
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: he got lit up with a big shot early, and

923
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: to be fair, the kind of shot that could lead

924
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: to most fighters, you know, eventually stopped. And not only

925
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: did he come back and at moments and showcase his toughness.

926
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you know he was trying to put himself,

927
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: willing himself into a spot to win. Still, so bad

928
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: night at the office. Obviously, you pair it with his

929
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: big opportunity against Ballall in the rematch, which he lost to,

930
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: and you can add that to his age and start

931
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: to get some ideas. But Luke, who I always thought

932
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: of him was a guy who at for the you know,

933
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: sub a leader or elite level, is willing to get

934
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: in a brawl with everybody, but also willing to be

935
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: the more technical brawler in that and rely on some

936
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: of his toughness to get ahead and score some of

937
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: the type of wins that he did to put together

938
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: that win streak. But I always felt there was going

939
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: to be a ceiling for that, and I don't think

940
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: this loss necessarily kills who he still is and still

941
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: can be after that. Luke, do you get what I'm

942
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: trying to say here.

943
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is I don't think it hurts his

944
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: larger reputation, but it definitely damages the short term standing.

945
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: You know, he was sitting at six. He's probably gonna

946
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: drop pretty far.

947
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: Maybe he's gonna hurt his financial leverage for sure, for.

948
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: Sure, and he's gonna have to go back to the

949
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: hammers that I thought he was kind of beating and

950
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: putting behind him. You know, it kind of puts him

951
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: back there a little bit. And also, by the way,

952
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: Dean Thomas made a great point on the broadcast when

953
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: they brought him in during the Luka FI when he

954
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: was getting tuned up and they were like, you know,

955
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: because Luka has his hands up the whole time. And

956
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: Dean was like, yo, this is why having your hands

957
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: up is not necessarily defense. Obviously it can be, but

958
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, moving her head, getting the right positioning, taking angles,

959
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: all those all the things, by the way, and say

960
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: so the coach of Jeff Neil screaming right flank, right flank,

961
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: They were trying to set angles on the guy the

962
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: whole time and it worked, by the way, it worked

963
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: really well. You know, I appreciate all the various ways

964
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: because they were you know, Michael Bisman was saying in

965
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: the in the broadcast team, Luka is talented everywhere, which

966
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: is true, which is true, but he doesn't have an ace,

967
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, as in the whole kind of game. He's

968
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: got a really well rounded game, for sure, but you

969
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: can see against someone who's got a little bit of

970
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: a specialization and heavy handed, you know, it's a problem.

971
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: It's a problem. So I think, you know, there's a

972
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: there's a question of the youth not necessarily holding him back,

973
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: but really fine tuning one part of his game to

974
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: make it lethal, really getting out there and leaning into

975
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: whatever that's going to be. Probably the striking. Maybe that

976
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: could take him back to the top. But as it stands,

977
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: it's a very good game, but it's clearly not enough

978
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: to ascend to the top at this point, and I

979
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: think there's some reflection due as a consequence.

980
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: He makes fun fights, though, Luke, I'll love it.

981
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: Certainly does really and.

982
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: If you want to sorry, if he wants to, or

983
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: if physically he has to devolve into simply a TV fighter,

984
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: he may be able to withstand that for a while.

985
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: Luke, very true, very true, real quickly on the rest

986
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: of this car, Let's just go through it very quickly.

987
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: Muhammed Uspan wins the Ultimate Fighter at heavyweight. He knocks

988
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: out Zach Paouga, who name I was mispronouncing up until

989
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: this point. I'm sure I'm still mispronouncing it in some way.

990
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: Vicious left hook, by the way, I got to say,

991
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: old Mohammed Usban for a big ass heavyweight who was

992
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: clearly well muscled, pretty fast, pretty good selection of punches.

993
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: That left hook. He was looking for it the whole

994
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: time because Heluga kept dropping his right hand as he

995
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: was coming in for it. Found it on the mark

996
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming and polished him off. It's

997
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: a nice win by Mohammed Usban.

998
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Dude. I mean it's not that, you know, there's some

999
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: raw elements to his game still, I think defense and

1000
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 2: have movement. You know, he was getting hit a little

1001
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: bit too easily for my liking at times. But you

1002
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: see the explosiveness, the power, the physical shape he's in.

1003
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: And then, Luke, whether you think it matters or not,

1004
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: I mean that post fight interview was as humble as

1005
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: shit to the idea of hard work, family morals, values,

1006
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: you know, obviously being the brother if somebody doesn't know,

1007
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: always equal success in anything. But you know, he painted

1008
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: a strong picture that intangibly he could be pretty well

1009
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: off in a decent spot. Maybe make some noise or

1010
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, Luke, I don't know, but I

1011
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: will say it's hard to really take anything away from

1012
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: this performance. He was an underdog. He came in there

1013
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: and he delivered. You know, not busy enough, Luke, But

1014
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: if you're a guy, at least at this level of

1015
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: matchmaking where when you do touch people they go away

1016
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: like that. Because Luke, I thought that was a jab

1017
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: until like the third replay, I was like, oh, yeah,

1018
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: that is sort of a half hook, half undercut sort of.

1019
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: But like, I mean, you know, he's had a couple losses.

1020
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: He's not young. What could he be, Luke? I mean,

1021
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: can he Russell? I wanted to see him go for

1022
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: some takedowns. I don't know enough about his backstory. I

1023
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: didn't watch this tough season to know if that's a

1024
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: part of his arsenal. But his brother can wrestle pretty good, Luke.

1025
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: He can Rin He's not he can't wrestle like his brother,

1026
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: but he can wrestle a little bit. Yeah. I don't

1027
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: know either at heavyweight exactly what his upside was, but

1028
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: he certainly he certainly looked good this time. The patience,

1029
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: the understanding of his opponent, like reading picking up on

1030
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: his mistakes, and then finding the appropriate punch as a consequence.

1031
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: It's not an obvious thing. If well, this sounds kind

1032
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: of we should say this out loud. There are a

1033
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: lot of teams who are very good at game planning

1034
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: before a fight. There are the number of teams where

1035
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: and this is not necessarily applying to this particular case,

1036
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: but I just want to make a broader statement. The

1037
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: number of teams, even in high level MMA, they can

1038
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: get a guy to make meaningful adjustments in the middle

1039
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: of a fight and then have that fighter carry it out,

1040
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: and they can spot all those things in real time.

1041
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: You could count them on less than one hand. It's

1042
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: not very many people. And I know that sounds kind

1043
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: of crazy, like, oh, every team should be able to

1044
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: do that. It's actually way harder than it looks. This

1045
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: was a much more reduced version of that, where he

1046
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: was just picking up on the mistakes of a guy

1047
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: in real time as the fight progressed, and he did

1048
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: a good job of it. So that was nice. That

1049
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: was actually really nice and he was able to do that.

1050
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I need to see more against more

1051
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: credentialed opposition, I guess is the answer. BC. I don't

1052
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: know if you've got a chance to see it. The

1053
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: Juliana Miller she wins the women's flyweight fight with a

1054
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: ground and pound of broken Walker did the old crotch

1055
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: chop at the end. I'm sure the BC special loved

1056
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: all that.

1057
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: Later on, have you seen this ship? But uh, you

1058
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: know again, I didn't watch the season. And if this

1059
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: is my first introduction to Miller, I mean, what's her name?

1060
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: Killer Miller, I mean caller, Mayam Miller. For all I care,

1061
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: Luke's She's spicy. There's something to watch here, there's a

1062
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: fighting spirit. This was a tough ass win and she

1063
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: delivered the goods flyway. We know you can make noise

1064
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: at flyweight if you can put some things together. And

1065
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: this is only step one of her UFC journey here,

1066
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 2: but so far and impressed, and I want to see

1067
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: the growth and give her time to get there.

1068
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll say this, And she had mentioned it, she acknowledged

1069
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: it was an issue. She is three and one. I

1070
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: know people want to get to the UFC as early

1071
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: as possible. I got to tell you that one. I

1072
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: don't love that. Don't love. Don't love the fact that

1073
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: you've only got four pro fights and you want to

1074
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: be in the UFC. That is going to be a

1075
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: tough learning curve. I'm not guaranteeing failure. It's not what

1076
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but the history of people who have gone

1077
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: to the UFC with four fights really three and yes

1078
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: you can count the ones in the house or whatever,

1079
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: but not great, not great.

1080
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: Do you believe, Luke? Do you believe that both Stage

1081
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: north Cut and the Jersey guy that fought Punk come on,

1082
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: Luke fill it in, fill it in?

1083
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: What happened?

1084
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: Who beat Punk from Jersey?

1085
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: What?

1086
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: Why can't I think of his name?

1087
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Mickey Gaull?

1088
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: Mickeygall Just using those two as examples, would they have

1089
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: been better off with lower level, sustained selective matchmaking in

1090
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: the more traditional vein rather than go from sort of

1091
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: reality close up to right in the fire.

1092
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: It's hard to know the specifics of anyone's situation and

1093
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: how financially destitute they might have been, so I'll answered

1094
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: the question this way. In terms of the development of

1095
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: their game, it is a very bad idea to go

1096
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: to the UFC with three or four fights. It's a

1097
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: very bad idea. Doesn't mean it can't be done, doesn't

1098
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: mean we haven't seen people do it. But in general,

1099
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: it is creating a development process that could be massively

1100
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: inhibited by how outpaced and outsized the competition is. You

1101
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: can be like, oh, women's flyweight is weak. True, but

1102
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: I think people underestimate what it means to be a

1103
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: top fifteen fighter in the world and how much more

1104
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: developed they are. You know, again, everyone's going to be different.

1105
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: We'll see. I'm not in any way declaring gloom and doom.

1106
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: But statistically what she is attempting is extremely difficult to do.

1107
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: Is it crazy? And this isn't a new revelation. We've

1108
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: talked about this a million times, but it is crazy.

1109
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: How if if you look back at a boxer who's

1110
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: about to have their toughest fight and you're like, oh,

1111
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: they lost once or twice in their first twenty fights,

1112
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, they're a blown you know, prospect, they're

1113
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: a bust, you know who's still fighting. Whereas an MMA,

1114
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: if you don't see those couple losses in those you know,

1115
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen fights on the level that you're talking about,

1116
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: then we've got much more fear about it. It's almost

1117
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: like as long as you didn't lose too many time,

1118
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: it's a badge. I mean, even looking like somebody like

1119
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith who lost a lot before finally putting it

1120
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: all together. I mean, those obviously were huge in the process.

1121
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Like when you see a fighter

1122
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: like you know, Aldo losing I think one of his

1123
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: first fights and Cyborg losing one of their first fights,

1124
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: Kamaru Usman losing one of his first fights, it ends

1125
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: up being the kind of thing that turned them into

1126
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: the champions that they ended up being actually like you

1127
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: wanted to see again, four or five losses, you're talking

1128
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: about a different level of fighter, but one maybe two

1129
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: along the way, it turns them into champions, you know

1130
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like they needed that as part of

1131
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: their development process. BC very quickly, I'll say nice things.

1132
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: Sergey Spivak look pretty good beating Augusto Sakai. He is

1133
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: slowly turning into somebody you actually very much have to

1134
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: respect in the heavyweight division. Can we talk about Sam

1135
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Alvi losing again? Like, I'm not even gonna do a

1136
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: bit here where it's Yes, it's the longest windless streak

1137
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: in UFC history, But dude, he got his jaw broken.

1138
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to get a wired shut. The UFC

1139
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: giving him contracts used to be a kind of a

1140
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: joke where they'd be like, oh, he keeps losing and

1141
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: they keep giving him fights, which is true, dude, it's

1142
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: not in his interest to fight in this organization anymore.

1143
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: His health is at risk. Yeah, he is losing consecutively.

1144
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: He is losing now badly. And when the injuries start

1145
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: happening in fights like this, that's when you know it's

1146
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: time to do something else, whether it's with his career

1147
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: or different organization. I'll leave it up to him and

1148
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: the commissions, but the UFC owes him a solid to

1149
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: not book him again.

1150
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: Just to correct you all did wrong you early if

1151
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: you had the lava shack fights on the Governor Penn.

1152
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: He may actually have the record. Oh I think actually

1153
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Silva just broke that record. Luke. Here's the deal

1154
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: on this? Yeah, I mean, like I read part of

1155
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: the feature that ESPN did on him, almost sort of

1156
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: like this lovable guy who you know, lives on a

1157
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: farm and is married to an America's top model and

1158
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: has a million kids, and it's just as many loss

1159
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: as he's you know, not like it's you know, I'm

1160
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: glad that he had that close up, but you got

1161
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: enough to live for outside this case to Yeah, I don't.

1162
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke, who does he have nudes on?

1163
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: That's really where I'm at right now, Luke. Sometimes in

1164
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: pro wrestling you'll see this, but a guy backstage is

1165
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 2: like a great hand and he helps out the younger guys,

1166
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: and you know, he'll if he need somebody for brock

1167
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: Lesnar throw through a window that guy will raise his hand.

1168
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: It's like Heath Slater or somebody.

1169
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1170
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, respect that guy, but this ain't pro wrestling, Luke. Okay,

1171
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: So it's it's got to be the end of an

1172
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: era nowl Although he did beat Rashot, I can't believe

1173
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: I just said that a lot, but it did happen, Luke, Okay.

1174
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: It's still a source of sadness and fatigue for us both.

1175
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know what if they told you

1176
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: we could put him against Ed short Fuse Herman in

1177
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: the Battle of the Ginger is, Luke, would you sign

1178
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: off on that as a UFC? Goodbye? Luke.

1179
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: Herman has taken so much abuse. I worry about his

1180
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: long term health candidly, but I think Herman would beat

1181
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: the shit.

1182
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: Out of him probably.

1183
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, point number three we stay with UFC.

1184
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: But the last one of these, we didn't get a

1185
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: reaction to it. On Friday or Saturday, whenever the news broke,

1186
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: I can't remember anymore. I think it was Friday night.

1187
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: Oh way, real quick, I got to interrupt you. You're

1188
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: not gonna talk about Terrece McKinney. Is that an extra

1189
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: credit report?

1190
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: Luke?

1191
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: What's happening.

1192
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: Uh no, we can talk about him now if you want.

1193
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: What's on your mind. He looked good.

1194
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: That was That was funn as ship for the two

1195
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: minutes that last. And Luke Eric Gonzalez was you know,

1196
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: got basically was told right off the start, you're gonna fight,

1197
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: and he did, Luke, and although McKinney got the better

1198
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: of it overall and then got the sort of spectacular finish.

1199
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: This this guy makes theater McKinney, Luke, I mean, this

1200
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: was wild. This is all wild.

1201
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: Even in his amateur and other fights outside the UFC.

1202
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: My man has never been to a decision either way,

1203
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: win or lose, has never been to one. It is

1204
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: truly the definition right there of kill or be killed,

1205
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: and usually he does the killing. Obviously not exclusively, but usually,

1206
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: And this was another one of those examples. The judges

1207
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: can kick their feet up when Terrence McKinney enters the

1208
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: cage because this one ain't going to them.

1209
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 2: I mean, would you add him to a must see list,

1210
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 2: like the kind of lists where he tis on Luke

1211
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: YERI prohatzka that level where you're like, yeses.

1212
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: I would Again, I'm not. You know, he's got some

1213
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: climbing to do in the rankings, to be at that

1214
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: kind of you know, Prahotchka kind of level. Obviously he

1215
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: was a champion, but in terms of guys who you

1216
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: can reliably say they're gonna they're gonna press the gas

1217
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: pedal for as long as this fight lasts, he's that guy.

1218
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: He is absolutely that guy, although I will say I

1219
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: wonder if that will inhibit him because you're like, oh, well,

1220
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: Perhotchka won a title, But dude, Pratschka, the amount of

1221
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: damage he's taken. I'm telling you his chin is gonna

1222
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: go eventually, and then there's gonna be no coming back

1223
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: from his style because the damage he takes, you can't

1224
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: undo that.

1225
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: You can't be here for a long time if you

1226
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: fight like this, Luke, you know that you know what

1227
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: I mean? This is this is the guy that comes

1228
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: to your keg party to bang your female friends and

1229
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: possibly steal your beer on the way out. Luke. I mean,

1230
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: I've known guys like this, Luke. I wish I could

1231
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: be guys like this.

1232
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: I know guys like this too. Fair enough, all right,

1233
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: b See, let's get to this very quickly. If we

1234
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: can't point number three This happened on Friday night, so

1235
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: we have a main event, it seems like for UFC

1236
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: two eighty one. He announced it on Sports Center of

1237
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: all places, UFC middleweight champion Israel Adessagna. Izzy will take

1238
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: on nemesis Alex Padda. And here's the kicker. This, of course,

1239
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: will be on November twelfth of this year. It's gonna

1240
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: be at Madison Square Garden in the fucking Mecca. They're

1241
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna put it there, of course. Yeah, they haven't said

1242
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: it formally, but this is also the card that we expect.

1243
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: We expect Michael Chandler to fight Dustin poarieron as well,

1244
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: So it looks like they're gonna come to the Big

1245
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: Apple with a big ass card. But BC, boy, they

1246
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: didn't waste any time booking Izzy in a fight after

1247
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: his last win a UFC two seventy six. He's getting

1248
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: right back to work. It's against his chief rival, it's

1249
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: in one of the most iconic sporting venues in the world.

1250
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: Your reaction to this announcement.

1251
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: Got them boom. I mean, this is just this is

1252
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: what dreams are made of. This is what you know.

1253
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: The MSG major for the UFC, their annual stop in

1254
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: the world's most famous arena, which still freaking matters to me.

1255
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean again, I'll say it a million times. You

1256
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: tell me you're gonna see a concert at the Garden

1257
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: or you know, a sporting event or whatever. Dude, it's

1258
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: gonna feel magical if I'm Dana White. Luke, I go,

1259
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: heyescumeback media, you know all that shit you say about me,

1260
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: here enjoy this night. You know this is what this is, Luke.

1261
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: This is why you this is why you lift them

1262
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: weights in the off season. This is what you know.

1263
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: This is, this is everything, This fucking matchup rules, and

1264
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: it's it's the exact test in is he's arc at

1265
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: the moment that Luke, he really needs because you know this,

1266
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. For him to win this fight, which you

1267
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 2: know he'll be rightfully favored in my opinion, but you

1268
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: can tell me if you think the odds are gonna

1269
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: go anywhere else, he's gonna have to fight to win this.

1270
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: You can't point fight Padata or at least who we

1271
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: think he is.

1272
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: Luke.

1273
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: And I know when we're talking about point fighting on

1274
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: an izzy level, it's different than than the other levels.

1275
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: But to have this at the garden with that freaking banger.

1276
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: This reminds me of what you know, what that felt

1277
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: like in twenty sixteen, seventeen, you know, recently with the

1278
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: BMF main event. I mean, yeah, dude, are we gonna

1279
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: be there? Are we gonna do live shows? Luke, I'll

1280
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: streak through the streets, Luke, I probably won't be the

1281
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: only person doing that just randomly. Ship weird shit breaks

1282
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: down all the time Manhattan. But Luke, I'm ready for this. Okay,

1283
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: I am rock hard with emotion right now.

1284
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: I've got a false contest. I wanted to say something.

1285
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: Do you remember what we did for the two seventy

1286
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: six pre game preview? We were talking to We were

1287
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: debating how popular Izzy was, and I think you and

1288
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: Chuck were a little bit more like definitely popular, but

1289
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: probably you know, not all that popular. And I was

1290
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: a little bit more optimistic about his upside. I think

1291
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: one thing I've reflected on since that loss or the win,

1292
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: it's funny that I call it a loss. One thing

1293
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: I've reflected on a little bit there is it wasn't

1294
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: like I thought you guys weren't picking up on something

1295
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: that didn't exist, Like you were just inventing it. I

1296
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: knew it was there. What I thought was gonna happen,

1297
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: he was going to have a good win, and then

1298
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: most of that goodwill and idea about his identity would

1299
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: be largely restored, or wasn't you know whatever, and he won.

1300
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: Obviously knew one pretty convincingly, but not spectacically. In fact,

1301
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: what I want to sort of acknowledge was, since then,

1302
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: I have very much greatly felt I think the things

1303
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: that you and Chuck were identifying ahead of that contest,

1304
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 1: which was, here's a guy who's very heavily promoted, who

1305
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: does appear to be capable of transitioning to something greater

1306
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: than what he is in terms of a popular attraction,

1307
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: and then, for one reason or the other, hasn't quite ascended.

1308
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: Part of that reason I think is unfair in the

1309
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: way which he gets labeled for certain personal choices he makes.

1310
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: But the other one is the fight style. And we

1311
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: actually have talked to camal Bell about that. I asked

1312
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: him why he thought there was this pushback against Isy.

1313
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: Here's my question to you, though, Now, if Paeda goes

1314
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: in there and knocks him out, then anything I'm about

1315
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: to ask you is just utterly irrelevant. But let's say

1316
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: is he goes in there, Remember he beat Derek Brunson

1317
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: in that same venue. He goes in there and not

1318
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: only beats Padta for the third time that they fight,

1319
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: but the first time ever given them the three fights

1320
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: at that point would have taken place. How much does

1321
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: he restore what is possible? How much does that elevate him?

1322
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: What does that do for Izy in that circumstance.

1323
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: It'd be massive. And that means if you know, Padata

1324
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 2: comes out and pushes this crazy pace and the fight

1325
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: has back and forth moments and then he ultimately stops.

1326
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: If that's the scenario you're sort of creating here in

1327
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: a manner in which people want him to stop everybody.

1328
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: Although you know, there's certainly a fair argument to make

1329
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: looking at a skill set, looking at the dangers that

1330
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: this game presents, even willing to take on the commercial

1331
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: byproduct of being safe at times, and what that does

1332
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: to your likability and all overall sales and all that.

1333
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it is affected. But look if he went

1334
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: out there looking to walk down and stop everybody in

1335
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: a more aggressive which also comes very close to bordering

1336
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: the town of reckless, I don't know if he's still champion,

1337
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Luke, because you can you know,

1338
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: you go in there against a Robert Whittaker and try

1339
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: to strike with him on the same level and give

1340
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: him more chances to win rather than controlling the terms

1341
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 2: like is he does. You may not end up having

1342
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: that same type of success this is who he is.

1343
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: But you can win back goodwill in certain ways. You

1344
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 2: don't need to have a reboot of the Gastolm fight,

1345
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: which I just you know, praise to God that I

1346
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: was there that day at UFC two thirty six and

1347
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: experience cage side just a war, I mean, just a

1348
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 2: heroic war. It doesn't even have to be that, Luke.

1349
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes it'll be more circumstantial. And I think in this case,

1350
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: with the backstory, the opponent and the styles and how

1351
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: they'll probably merge together, it may be the perfect setting

1352
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: for him to win everybody back, because I think Padda

1353
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: is going to be dangerous enough and close enough where

1354
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: is he's gonna at times and maybe the majority have

1355
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: to end up fighting in the type of posture that

1356
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: people want out of him all the time. So if

1357
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: something like that happens, he can win back a hell

1358
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: of a lot of goodwill, and I think we lose

1359
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: this conversation, maybe not permanently, but for a while. I mean, Luke,

1360
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: you look back at Floyd, not a similar circumstance whatsoever,

1361
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: only similar in the sense that it would always behoove

1362
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: Floyd to talk a big game and get you in there,

1363
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: but then win whatever is the best strategy, removing the

1364
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: elements of danger and keeping that show on the road

1365
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: and building up his longevity and becoming the legend that

1366
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: he was. I used to argue at times, Luke that

1367
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: even though Floyd positioned himself purposely as the villain, which

1368
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: led to a very polarizing reaction to him from fans

1369
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: and media alike, which people think is still lingering, and

1370
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: people think I'm always extra harsh against him. And maybe

1371
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: at times we hold on to certain things of h

1372
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: didn't fight this guy at this guy at this time,

1373
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, remember the argument that same thing. Maybe we

1374
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: hold on to that too much. The whole point is, Luke,

1375
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: Floyd executed that the probably the best way he should have.

1376
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: But I always felt like if he had been in

1377
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: a war in which he had to show character more

1378
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: than and we've seen him in select moments, maybe he'd

1379
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: be beloved by everybody just automatically. I think for is

1380
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: he again, it's gonna have to be circumstantial. He's willing

1381
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: to go there again if he has to. This may

1382
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: be an opponent that drags him there, But I think

1383
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: he's still gonna put forth the performance that you know

1384
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: is gonna be the same across the board. It just

1385
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: may look better in this case because some guy may

1386
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: make him bring that out of there.

1387
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: Luke.

1388
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: It's it's weird how the crowds react to him and

1389
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: how the general Like if you would have told me

1390
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: everybody geted he beat right when he was on the

1391
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: cusp of that title level, and you showed me the

1392
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: Wikipedia page of all the fights, I'd look at that

1393
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: and go, oh shit, God, is he McGregor, Like, you know,

1394
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: is he right there? Is he?

1395
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: You know?

1396
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: Where where does he fit in the overall hierarchy?

1397
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: And the other part too that would be kind of interesting.

1398
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: Is I think the momentum or lack thereof you carry

1399
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: into the final fight where you do get beat again.

1400
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting he will or he won't. We'll figure

1401
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: that out on November twelfth. But let's say he loses. Right,

1402
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: let's say he loses, carrying in this negative momentum that

1403
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: will potentially shape his legacy as well. Right, they'll rewrite

1404
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: it in a slightly different way, or I guess the

1405
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: conversation around it, and I should say we'll be will

1406
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: be slightly jaded about what kind of champion he actually was,

1407
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: despite the record of insane fucking dominance that he had

1408
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: at middleweight. So there's a lot on the line here, dude,

1409
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: this is and they're putting it in a major media market.

1410
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: They're going I love this call by the UFC. Right,

1411
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: I love this call because they got a guy off

1412
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: of a fight that was lackluster and they're doubling down

1413
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: on the idea that this one will be the switch.

1414
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: Is he taking no time off, getting right back into

1415
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: the meat grinder exactly as he needs to, going to

1416
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: the media market capital of the world, certainly of North America,

1417
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: and then just deciding we're going to lean into this

1418
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: as heavily as possible, all the chips on the table,

1419
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: these guys have fought before, first time at MMA. Of course,

1420
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: it's it's the right call, dude, It's good mass. See

1421
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: the UFC, we have the criticisms of it, but they

1422
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: are an adept They are adept promoters by and large.

1423
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: And one of the things I really like about their

1424
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: DNA a little bit is sometimes they know just when

1425
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 1: to lean into risk and not run from it. This

1426
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: is one of those times whe were like, oh, okay,

1427
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: there's bad sentiment. Let's fucking push our chips in in

1428
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: a way where we can turn that on its head.

1429
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: We can turn a loss, so to speak, into a win.

1430
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: This is exactly the right moment to do it, and

1431
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: I thought they played it very very well.

1432
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely because even if Podata wins, and even if it

1433
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: wins by knockout, dude, the rematch could be huge based

1434
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: upon what the fight looked like before the stoppage, you

1435
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like this could be like a

1436
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: Roy Jones Tarvar situation and keeping your intrigue of you know,

1437
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: like this, this could be monstrous. But look, any criticism

1438
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: against who Adasnya is in his mindset coming off of

1439
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: that last fight, like the fight only didn't entertain the

1440
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, the people that were looking for something that

1441
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: wasn't there. The performance wise, you know, he was freaking brilliant.

1442
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: So he comes in here at this point. You know,

1443
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: you can argue about where his brand's at, where's he

1444
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: at physically mentally, He's right where he needs to be

1445
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: to beat Padata, So you know, it's part of it's

1446
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: part of what makes this matchup so great and why

1447
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 2: even if it goes one way traffic for out of signy,

1448
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: which will be the best case in there for the

1449
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: UFC and maybe the sport, at the moment, you can

1450
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: argue that he may be ready to meet that moment.

1451
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 2: So I can't wait. I can't wait to see this shit.

1452
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: Lukeaam I would say, is he put out a he

1453
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: put out a post on Twitter. Maybe he put on

1454
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: Instagram too. I don't know if I saw it there.

1455
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: But he was getting some some cosmetic dentistry or some

1456
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: dentistry generally or something. He was getting some kind of

1457
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: dentist appointment or whatever, and he was making a claim

1458
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: about his smile, and and he was saying, these days

1459
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: people like people. The word he used was like fans

1460
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: basically when they see him in public, hold him hostage

1461
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: with their conversations. And I'm like, he is slowly revealing

1462
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: a very uneasy relationship with celebrity, a very uneasy relationship

1463
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: with it, which I'm not even like bashing him for.

1464
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: It's not what I'm saying. Do you think he's struggling

1465
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: hear a UFC Champ talked that way.

1466
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't get the picture he's struggling with it,

1467
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: which can sometimes be a difference.

1468
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: Do you, Luke, I get this? I get again. We

1469
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: have not spoken to him. I would love to talk

1470
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: to him to get more about this. So you're asking

1471
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: me to guess. My guess is he is resentful of

1472
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: certain forms of celebrity. Yeah, I get the feeling that

1473
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: the negative.

1474
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: No, No, I agree with that. What I'm asking you is

1475
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: is is he struggling with his character and what up

1476
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: against the celebrity and how to navigate that. I get

1477
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: he's frustrated at the structure of it, But is he

1478
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: struggling with it? I think he's right where like this

1479
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: whole thing, like this fight can be sold on the

1480
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: idea that Perera knocked him out and we all saw that.

1481
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: But I don't mentally, I mean, he's in from the

1482
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 2: outside looking in. He seems to be in a spot

1483
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: where I'm not even sure that's even part of the

1484
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: narrative here.

1485
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: Right, that's right. I don't think that that's in play.

1486
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I think, dude, I firmly believe

1487
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: that he believes he can and will beat Padata like

1488
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: and then all of his preparation has been leading to

1489
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: this moment. This does feel like, you know, this is

1490
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: the you know, everyone thought that the Winterker test, with

1491
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: the big test of his career. Turns out this actually

1492
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: might be right because the Blokhovic thing was you know,

1493
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: it was the goldilocks right, it was too it was

1494
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: too hot and whatever. There were parts of like Ventori

1495
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: too cold or something. This feels like just the guy

1496
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: at just the right moment to see exactly where everything

1497
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: is at and if it's where it's supposed to be,

1498
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: then he'll be fine, and if not, it's all going

1499
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: to get revealed. And the question is are the trappings

1500
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: of celebrity, are the trappings of having to get ready

1501
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 1: for guys that perhaps he didn't care about, or maybe

1502
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with his fight style, Like there's all

1503
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: different ways to measure these kinds of things. Padada is

1504
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: going to be the one that pulls the lid off

1505
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: the pot and let's see what's actually being made here.

1506
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: And if Adasanya is going to have his own Anderson's

1507
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: Silva moment and in the vein of what he has

1508
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: been lacking up to this point, in that crossover ability

1509
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: to grab people and keep them as interested customers loving

1510
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: him and not criticizing him. This is the platform to

1511
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: have that. God, you know, so the right opponent, right

1512
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: venue right, So I mean everything we just talked, but

1513
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: like you know, if he's going to have that all

1514
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: dough McGregor molment, it's going to be in this fight, Luke,

1515
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: I think you know. And if he's going to make

1516
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: the leap to whatever his peak will be commercially, this

1517
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: fight is the fulcrum to produce that.

1518
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: I agree, I certainly agree. All right, let's move to

1519
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: point number four here if we can, BC, I love

1520
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: your use of fulk crum. Let's talk PFL. I think

1521
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: it was PFL. I put six in the lineup, but

1522
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: I think it was PFL. Seven took place on Friday,

1523
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: So we now have some basically some finalists in two

1524
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: of the weight classes, in lightweight and light heavyweight. So

1525
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Olivier Auben Mercier facing Stevie Ray at

1526
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: lightweight and then it's gonna be omri Ak medoff taking

1527
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: on Rob Wilkinson. I'll just ask the question this way

1528
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: because I know PFL is probably not the biggest priority

1529
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: for our audience. Who of these four names has really

1530
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: stuck out to you as somebody who is heading into

1531
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: the finals with some real momentum.

1532
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: Omar Ak metof Luke.

1533
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: Really interesting, probably the least of my answer, but we.

1534
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: Weren't talking about him at all or really caring. It's like, oh, yeah,

1535
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 2: the guy that lost the wide man. You know, he's

1536
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: been up, he's been down, but he's a tough out. Well, Luke,

1537
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: he's in a new way class and you know he's

1538
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: been a lot heavyweight before, but he's in this and

1539
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: he's supposed to fight. Of course, shoe Face Antonio Carlos Junior,

1540
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: who was really coming in with momentum and it didn't happen,

1541
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: but he did get a Josh Silvera who while still

1542
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 2: young and will grow from this loss unquestionably and wasn't

1543
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 2: handled so to speak, just got out pointed out technique

1544
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: in a close fight. Statistically, dude, Doc Menov rose to

1545
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: the occasion, did what he had to do, and you know, Luke,

1546
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: he may end up. You know, he's got a shot

1547
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: to win this thing now, and maybe it's maybe this

1548
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: is only a case of what I thought of him

1549
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: before this, and maybe I wasn't as in tune necessarily,

1550
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: but he jumped through the screen in some very subtle

1551
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: ways here to do what he had to do against

1552
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 2: a young opponent who the betting oddsman thought was going

1553
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: to come in and really make his career with this fight.

1554
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: I am, that's not who I have. That's not because

1555
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: I here's the thing. I saw the Silvera fight as well, Silvera.

1556
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: This was what his tenth fight something like that. You know,

1557
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: I just did. I mean Silvera has uh yes, he's

1558
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: nine and one, so you know, he looked to me

1559
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: like a good fighter, but a very green fighter. You

1560
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: could just tell. It wasn't like he was making a

1561
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes, although he kept circling into amount of

1562
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: man of his power the entire time, which was a

1563
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: bad call. But uh, by the way, contrast that with

1564
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Neil, who also had open stances, who kept moving

1565
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: to his outside flank and then just tearing up Luke

1566
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: as a consequence. So yes, there is some underdevelopment there,

1567
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like he was making a ton of

1568
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: bad choices. The wrestling was there a little bit, but

1569
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: he didn't have the control one of the ways you

1570
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: can spot people like how what's the ways you could

1571
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: spot development. It's not just the mistakes that fighters make,

1572
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: because even very good fighters make mistakes. It's not so

1573
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: much that ask the question what can they do right?

1574
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: So what if their game gets taken away or somewhat

1575
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,879
Speaker 1: neutralized or some control, do they have some other ability

1576
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: to go to that? And you could see they're just

1577
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: he didn't have great control on the ground. He didn't

1578
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: have ability to switch stands, he didn't have ability to

1579
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: like pump a jab in that way, and so there

1580
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: wasn't just a whole lot he could do. So I

1581
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: don't know how much to read into that win. I

1582
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: will tell you, dude had.

1583
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: He had some spunking grit to him though.

1584
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he's a good lick this and that. Dude.

1585
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't have anything bad to say about Josh Silvera.

1586
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: My only point is Akmedov is way more experienced. I mean,

1587
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: Akmnov has fought and lost and beaten a different class

1588
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: of opponents for years, Like you know this was a

1589
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: huge ask of SILVERA given where he's been in the game,

1590
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: and I thought given those considerations, he performed quite admirably.

1591
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: It was just you were asking too much from a

1592
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: guy who was still he's still getting his bearings in

1593
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: the fight game. Akhmedov is I think thirty fights deep.

1594
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's got three times the level of experience, of.

1595
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: Course, so you're you're not surprised necessarily by how it

1596
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: played out, even though again Acmtov was the slight betting underdog.

1597
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 2: But I just I was impressed with the veteran skills

1598
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: he showed in the way that he was able to

1599
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 2: sort of keep it on the terms he needed to

1600
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: get it done. And again now he advances to the

1601
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: finals when I didn't really look at this draw ahead

1602
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 2: of time and pick him. Maybe maybe the guy who

1603
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: would have won it shoefaces now out, so it does

1604
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: open up a door for him. That's huge. But Luke,

1605
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: did you I know you're a hashtag girl. Dad liked

1606
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: the late Kobe rip, but did you catch feels like

1607
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: I did during the SILVERA father and son vignette beforehand? Luke?

1608
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I was like, did you

1609
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: Oh God, Brazilian Shrek was crying. It was it was beautiful,

1610
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: luc It was like Harry Chapin should have been playing

1611
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: in the background, you know, and I mean it was yeah.

1612
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: Listen, I'll just say this that the light heavyweight contest

1613
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: to me is not all that inspiring. Rob Wilkinson has been,

1614
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, flattening people left and right on his way

1615
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,520
Speaker 1: to get there, and it does have some ability. Akmedov

1616
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: maybe will beat him because he's just careful, like Agmdov

1617
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: loses against much better guys, but not against like really

1618
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: wild guys. So I tend to think he might get

1619
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: it done. I'll tell you for me, it's got to

1620
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: be Olivia Albin Marcier right. Want to remind everyone the

1621
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: dude has not lost since he left the UFC, and

1622
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: who he lost in the UFC was Hernandez when Hernandez

1623
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,839
Speaker 1: was on the two best streak of his career, Gilbert

1624
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: Burns who decisioned him and Saryukiin who decisioned him. Since then,

1625
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: he has won every fight and in this particular season, yes,

1626
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: he started off by the way beating the previous champion

1627
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: from PFL, beating the Ton Schultz. Then he beat last

1628
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: season's champion Housechmann Fio and then he fought Alex Martinez

1629
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: on Friday, dropped him a couple of times with a

1630
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,879
Speaker 1: left hand, took his back. Dude, my man is cooking

1631
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 1: in the PFL. And Stevie Ray has had some tough fights,

1632
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: two of them notably back to back against Anthony Pettis,

1633
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: and he does have some clear ability. I want to

1634
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: be very clear about that. But the guy who looks

1635
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: more complete, more physically ready to keep up with the

1636
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: demands of the PFL schedule, and it just seems to

1637
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: be much more in a great place. I think it's

1638
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: all been Marcia, and I think he's to collect a

1639
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: million dollars when the season's over.

1640
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: Dude, he has like a stubborn swagger to him. That's

1641
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: like I figured out how to get the best out

1642
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: of me in this moment. I know the secret that

1643
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 2: no one else does. You know, he's not He's not over.

1644
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: I mean he's not out here, like you know, finishing

1645
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: guys left and right and making highlight reels necessarily. Luke

1646
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: although that he could he could finish, he could produce that,

1647
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: but it's just been gritty. It's been working on the

1648
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: ground it's been hard ass Jabs. I mean, he's just

1649
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: been out there and you know, Luke, you down with Oab. Yeah,

1650
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 2: you know me. You know you know what I mean.

1651
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 2: You get what I'm putting out there.

1652
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: Luke, I get that because I'm a washed piece of

1653
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: trash like you. I wonder at the twenty five year

1654
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: olds watching this show, like what does that mean? I

1655
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: don't even know what that means?

1656
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 2: Any Look, do you think Ray Flores by the way,

1657
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: who filled in who took over for a Lily? And

1658
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 2: Garcia was announcing they're at the Hulu theater shotut to

1659
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 2: our boys, sugar Ray?

1660
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: Uh?

1661
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: Do you think he was able to order a drink

1662
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: from the smart Age? It's like, you know, uh, Stevie Ray, everybody,

1663
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 2: I'll have a jacket coach.

1664
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean just you know, Yeah, dude, if you're a

1665
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: smart cage doesn't order you spicy tie pad tie from

1666
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: the local tie place in your neighborhood, what can it do? Really?

1667
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: Not the answer?

1668
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: Do you notice no one can mention the cage without

1669
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: calling it the uh the smart case. It's like, you know,

1670
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: that's like grand didn't like they know it before they

1671
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: turned the microphones on. If you're gonna mention that fucking

1672
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: fighting surface, you'd better say the damn smart.

1673
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start calling things smart when there's no

1674
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: reason to do that. Like I'm gonna go to doctor

1675
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, doctor, can you look at my

1676
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: smart balls they have?

1677
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, Rogan my smart co host? Yeah, yeah,

1678
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,520
Speaker 2: as well, you know, okay.

1679
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just hey, I'm gonna go to the

1680
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: dentist and have him look at my smart teeth. It's like,

1681
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: why are they smart? I don't know. PFO calls are

1682
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: kid smart for no fucking reason whatsoever. So why can't

1683
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: we do it? Why can't we do it?

1684
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1685
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: All right, b c last min Aley as we go

1686
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: to point number five. There was some boxing over the weekend. Quickly,

1687
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: let's get to it. So a guy you're high on

1688
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: that makes it appointment viewing for me, Virgil Ortiz, he

1689
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: stops Michael mckinson did a pretty good job of it.

1690
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: What can we say about how good virgual Ortiz looks.

1691
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: Mckenson by the way, early on, trying to fight fire

1692
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,879
Speaker 1: with fire, but he got overwhelmed quickly.

1693
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: I didn't love this matchup coming in and it kind

1694
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: of played out in some ways to the not worst

1695
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: case scenario. But the whole point is Virgil or Chiese Junior,

1696
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 2: who's now nineteen and oer with nineteen KOs, he's the

1697
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: damn goods? Is he twenty five years old? Twenty four

1698
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: years old? I mean he is the goods? Will he

1699
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 2: beat those super damn you know, Crawford Spence level elites

1700
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: at the highest level, I don't know. I want to

1701
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: see it. Okay, that's sort of where he's at right now.

1702
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: This just wasn't the opponent to test that. Even though

1703
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 2: mckinson's a good boxer, even though he's beaten. What they said,

1704
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: four of his last six opponents on the streak he

1705
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: was on were undefeated. He was undefeated two he was

1706
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: tough Luke, but he had two knockouts coming in. It's

1707
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: not that we don't need to see Virgil Archiese against

1708
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: a boxer. It's just that I want to find out

1709
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 2: if I have any concerns about Virgil archies Junior on

1710
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: the highest level, if he's got some poise when it

1711
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 2: comes to knowing when to stay in a brawl, because

1712
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 2: he loves the brawl. Man, he's a two hn of puncher,

1713
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: a great body puncher, as you saw in the eighth

1714
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: and ninth round when he took when he stopped mckinson.

1715
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: M I'm probably butchering that guy's name. I mean the

1716
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 2: guy at balls. Okay, say that, of course, but uh,

1717
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 2: I want to see if Virgil can maneuver, you know,

1718
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 2: maneuver that superpower that he has. I want to see that. No,

1719
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: he ended up changing trainers, not with Robert Garcia anymore

1720
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: is with his dad. We didn't. We didn't get that

1721
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: out of this fight. Now, what's interesting, Luke, and what's more, well,

1722
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 2: before we talk about his future, where are you at

1723
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: knowing that boots on us is freaking coming in the

1724
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 2: hierarchy of even though we haven't seen them all fight

1725
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: each other, and in the young guy's case, we haven't

1726
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: seen them pass the the monster test. Although let's give

1727
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: our chief credit stop meme machine, right, he's been fighting

1728
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: guys that had a pulse, you know, for leading into this.

1729
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 2: Where do you put virgual artis right now at Walter

1730
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: Waite in that sort of mythical pumper pound of what

1731
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 2: we don't know?

1732
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand the question you're asking, like,

1733
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: how do I think he compares to Boots, I don't.

1734
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I think he's He's got a different style,

1735
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: but I think Boots is Boots could handle his pressure

1736
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: and toughness, but is way slicker than him, way.

1737
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: Slicker, Like he's slick enough where he could be the box.

1738
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: So if he if he absolutely has to, absolutely he can.

1739
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: You know, yes, he has that gear. He definitely has

1740
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 1: that gear, but I don't think that's his best work.

1741
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: Whereas I think Boots could brawl a little bit, I

1742
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: don't think he could brawl. He could, he could fight

1743
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: fire with fire, but his level of craft is just

1744
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 1: it's and it's not even a fair fucking comparison, because

1745
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: Boots might be like, who knows how far he's gonna go.

1746
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: Until he proves us wrong. Boots his young lebron And

1747
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: that's just the truth right now.

1748
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, who is Comparrison's on some level aren't

1749
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: even fair? Like are you asking me? Do I think

1750
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: he can be a belt holder at one forty seven

1751
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: virgual Ortiz, Yeah, I do. Like then you know, unify potentially, well,

1752
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean it depends on the division chicks out obviously,

1753
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: but well, when the bud Crawfords and the Spences age

1754
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: out like it's gonna be up for grabs, and yeah,

1755
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: I think there's a real possibility there he could claim one.

1756
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 2: Okay, well, here's where it's time to have that next

1757
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: step conversation because this win makes him the number one

1758
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: contender to the WBO title held by Terrence Crawford, who

1759
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 2: was there because he was in his boy Mohooker's corner

1760
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: in one of the earlier fights. He's not a mandatory

1761
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: where he's like ordered next, but he's in the number

1762
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 2: one attender, which means you're you know it's about to happen.

1763
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 2: You're you're about to get ordered. Obviously, we all want

1764
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: Crawford Spence this year, and you know, we hear rumors

1765
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 2: come out from various outlets of exactly where the Crawford

1766
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: Spence negotiations are. And sometimes it's varying. Sometimes you make it.

1767
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 2: You know, it scares you to make you feel like

1768
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: it may not get may not happen yet, or may

1769
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 2: not get signed. But then you're like, is that just

1770
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 2: public negotiation? And you know leveraging and now you hear

1771
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: talks are happening. But it's weird that Virgil Ortiz. Right now,

1772
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: if Terrence Crawford doesn't join the PBC, he really represents

1773
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: at the moment until those big names from one forty

1774
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 2: eventually move up in those lightweights that are now going

1775
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: to one forty. He's the biggest fight Terrence Crawford could

1776
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 2: get outside of the PBC bubble, which is massive. They

1777
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: have ninety five percent of the welterweights that matter, right.

1778
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: It also be by far the biggest step up in

1779
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: toughest fight for Virgil Ortiz. I don't want to even

1780
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 2: put words to this because Eryl Spenson Terrence Crawford needs

1781
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 2: to be next, and there's no excuse right now why

1782
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: they can't just make it next, and hopefully they will

1783
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 2: maybe even this year, hopefully this year, Loup, What do

1784
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 2: you think though? What do you think though? Is the

1785
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: whole setup here about Ortez versus Bud Crawford. What do

1786
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 2: you mean if the if the talks fell apart, this

1787
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 2: guy's now the number one contender for Crawford and the

1788
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 2: only fight outside the PBC bubble that you could really

1789
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 2: get excited about it well your weight until the young

1790
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 2: guys move up. Okay, yeah, so would you want it?

1791
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 2: Do you think Virgil's ready, how do you even like,

1792
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: look at just an early vision of that.

1793
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: I think he gives Bud Crawford some things to think

1794
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: about and is ultimately overwhelmed onto a fight that afterwards

1795
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: we'd be like, we didn't really need to see that,

1796
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I think Virgil Ortiz would

1797
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: shine for large stretches, and in the end Bud would

1798
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: do Bud things which he always tends to do, and

1799
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: then you'd be like, oh right, this went about like

1800
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: this was not the fight where we wanted to see

1801
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: if he could it. Just it's not the time for

1802
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: the Bud apple cart to get tipped over, not by

1803
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: a guy like this yet yet. Okay, but here are

1804
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: two you know, it's a little different.

1805
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 2: Would Bud have to out box him to win? Or

1806
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: do you think Bud can do Bud things against him?

1807
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: Like that's what that's why takes risks.

1808
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: Bud takes risks.

1809
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 2: Yes, Like Corties is not Trinidad. But do you have

1810
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 2: to be Oscar and the Trinidad fight against him and

1811
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: lean on the boxing and the footwork at this point

1812
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 2: because the one thing you know about Orties you don't

1813
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: know if he's great or not, but you know he's

1814
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: willing to find out. That's what you have to know

1815
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: if you're Crawford though.

1816
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: Luke, Yes, I think Bud would out box him for

1817
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: long stretches due, but Bud's career is marked by putting

1818
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: himself in firing lanes and then working around it like

1819
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: Neo in the matrix, Like that's what he likes. You know?

1820
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 2: Did you get any lyft just talking about this, Luke?

1821
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean I'm fired up right now.

1822
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: I'm not as fired up about it as you because

1823
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm just so focused on Spence Crawford being made and

1824
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: then we can open up the conversation everything else because

1825
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm like.

1826
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: So close, there is room at the end. Come on in,

1827
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 2: let's make this fight, okay, please, thank you?

1828
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: All right? How about this Mick Conlin Michael Conley getting

1829
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: back to action after that terrible loss to Lee Wood,

1830
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: goes out there and fights Columbia as Miguel Mariaga Mariaga

1831
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: and knocked him down three times. Oh, I say this, man,

1832
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: if you had any questions, I mean, listen, here's the

1833
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 1: here's the reality about Mariaga. Right, can box a little bit,

1834
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, and certainly it comes to fight as best

1835
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: he can, so he you know, he doesn't lean back

1836
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: and try and just win on points. He tries to

1837
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: bring the fight to the opponent, can punch a little bit.

1838
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: I thought, if you know, Conlin should have won. But

1839
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if you had concerns like how's Conlin

1840
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: gonna look against yes, the guy who's ultimately overmatched, Colin

1841
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 1: looked pretty good. He didn't look gun shy to me

1842
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: at all. He was just catching this guy in between

1843
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: punches or at the end of them, dropped him three times,

1844
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: did good body work. This was this was a nice

1845
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: performance by mc collin.

1846
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: It's a it's a big win in my opinion, and

1847
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 2: it's not without criticism or the down look. The critical

1848
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: Twitter online reaction from the hardcorees was Okay, yeah, he

1849
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: look good, but Mariaga wouldn't throw anything, and he wouldn't luke.

1850
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't until the final round when Mariaga hurt Conlin

1851
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 2: a little bit. And why that was important was because

1852
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 2: it was the final round against Lee Wood, the fight

1853
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: you talked about where Conlin that ultimately got stopped, and

1854
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 2: a fight that while it was fun, he was winning

1855
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: and he was you know, he looked the old Conlin

1856
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,839
Speaker 2: took more chances this under Adam Booth. The new trainer

1857
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: was a kind of reinvented guy who's leaning on his

1858
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: amateur background full time South Paul now after being mostly

1859
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: a righty in switching up a lot, and while he

1860
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: needs to take risks to get inside to let the

1861
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: hands go, he didn't stand for prolonged periods. Luke I

1862
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: could make the argument and believe it that ultimately it

1863
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 2: was his movement that disarmed Mariaga and made him not

1864
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: able to take big chances, and that's why it was

1865
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 2: that fight. But you could also say Mariaga was what

1866
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 2: thirty five, he had lost before three times at the level.

1867
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 2: Maybe this is just who he is looking for that

1868
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 2: one big punch and it never really came and kind

1869
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: of came close in the tenth. I don't know, Luke.

1870
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 2: I don't want to take away from it, because Conlin

1871
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: had to go back in there against not a softy,

1872
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 2: against a tough ass killer to be fair, and he

1873
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: passed the test with flying colors in my opinion, So yeah, dude,

1874
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 2: he's he's gonna be. He's gonna be in title fights

1875
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 2: again in this weight class. He I think he bounced.

1876
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: I think he took that from that loss exactly what

1877
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: he needed to, and now he's ready to get back

1878
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: in the Only question long term, Luke, and it's always

1879
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: been the question about him, is how much will his

1880
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 2: lack of elite power prevent him from being great. I

1881
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: do think he took too many chances earlier in his career.

1882
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 2: I think he's got to just stick to the boxing style.

1883
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: He's got to be like second half Camacho of his

1884
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: career and just be that slick boxer. Yeah, if you

1885
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 2: have to stand and fight and Conlin can get off.

1886
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 2: You know, he had some good he had some good

1887
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 2: powerhandshots there too. But if he commits to this Southball

1888
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: game plan, Luke, that may be his best shot.

1889
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Jake Paul also paid fifty percent of the

1890
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: purses on the undercar for the now canceled event that

1891
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: was supposed to take place on Saturday, except for the

1892
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,839
Speaker 1: ones like Brandon Lee and whatever in the Mana Serrano,

1893
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: their opponents, We're going to reschedule. Nice gesture by him

1894
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: could be just PR, But even if it's PR, it's

1895
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: a reasonably nice gesture, so I thought I'll mentioned it. Obviously,

1896
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: we got to move along because your boy does have

1897
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: to visit the doctor today. So that's it for our

1898
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: top five. Let's move on if we can into d

1899
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: ms from Dogs, let's get.

1900
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 2: That go hehaw.

1901
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: All right, these have not been great the last couple

1902
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: of weeks. Let's see if they can bump these up

1903
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: in quality.

1904
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: Is it from clonfart dot nine O two or oh?

1905
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 1: Is that the Yeah? I don't have the list in

1906
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: front of me, so just throw them on the screen here.

1907
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: I'll read them. Underscore underscore, Yeah, from Cole and it's

1908
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: always like from Tapioca underscore Mayne seven five nine six

1909
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: three four.

1910
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,879
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck?

1911
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: What do you believe this significance is in being tough

1912
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: CHAMPI in today you get saddled with a undesirable contract.

1913
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: In trade, you get a little bit more attention than

1914
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: you ordinarily would through your UFC entry.

1915
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Is it like when you get your recording contract as

1916
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 2: a pop artist through American Idol and then they probably

1917
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 2: take like half your money for the next five years. Yes, yes, okay, okay, No,

1918
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean what it used to. Obviously, we all collectively,

1919
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 2: I believe, if I'm speaking for the hardcore fan, I'm

1920
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 2: wrong than dead wrong me here. I think we've been

1921
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 2: over it for a long time and we've had these

1922
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 2: discussions forever of whether it should go away. I don't

1923
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not against them keeping it alive. And

1924
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: maybe it's a good watch. Aaron bron Sitter always stands

1925
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: by that these are good watches.

1926
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: Luke Forward. The great things about Aaron bron set Or

1927
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: is that he's nice. One of the bad things is

1928
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: he's so nice that he'll be too charitable for things

1929
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: that are bad.

1930
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know what will be the answer is his

1931
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: honest review on Thor, Love and Thunder. That will probably

1932
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 2: answer that. I mean, you know, if we make him

1933
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 2: the independent arbiter of these type of moral decisions, Luke, you.

1934
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: Know, I don't know if it's a moral decision.

1935
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 2: It's just, oh it is.

1936
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: Do you have bad taste in movies? Or do you

1937
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: not really enjoy it?

1938
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: Luke? Okay, it said it's his favorite movie. I mean,

1939
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: come on, mister hebos over here, all right?

1940
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: Are you are you guys gonna take use a photo

1941
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: from your time at Thor Love and Thunder and get

1942
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: a tattooed on your calf?

1943
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yes, I will okay.

1944
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: All right, next throw it up there. Let's see it

1945
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: from ohso al da co. Any thoughts on the death

1946
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: of Leandro Low b C. Did you follow the story

1947
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: at all?

1948
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 2: I didn't shout out to uh Lee Selker okay, while

1949
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: viewer who sent me this in the d MS, he's

1950
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 2: very tied into that. I didn't know much about this guy.

1951
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,839
Speaker 2: Luke would be like everyone on my Facebook profile suddenly

1952
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 2: claiming that David Bowie's death altered their life when I'm like,

1953
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 2: well it is, I know you. You don't listen to Bowie.

1954
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is incredibly sad. Low is one of the

1955
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: best to ever do it, mostly in the gee, not

1956
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: as much in nogi, but he is a I think

1957
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: he is the first guy in jiu jitsu to win

1958
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: the world title at black belt across five weight classes.

1959
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: Now he got one of those by clothes out, but

1960
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: still no one's ever done that. He's won the world

1961
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: title I think seven or eight times. He recently just

1962
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: won it back in twenty twenty June this of this year,

1963
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: and the story that you guys, and he's famous for

1964
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: something called the Mermaids Sweep as well. But in any case,

1965
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: he was in a nightclub or some kind of nightclub

1966
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 1: slash concert. Some of the reports of Brazil are a

1967
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 1: little bit unclear, but basically the story is he was partying,

1968
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 1: he was aged thirty three. Someone came over to his

1969
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 1: table and took a bottle of liquor, and the stories

1970
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 1: that low went to retrieve it and in the process

1971
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: had to tackle the guy and control them and then

1972
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: get the bottle, and then they separated, and when they separated,

1973
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: he got shot point blank range in the face. Now

1974
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 1: what's interesting is the guy who shot him, apparently as

1975
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: a cop who is on the run from the law. Now,

1976
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 1: and I guess I'm not sure about this, but there

1977
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: appears to be some Brazilian law that allows people to

1978
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: carry in certain places in ways that you might not expect.

1979
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that part. That seems a little

1980
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: bit unclear. But long story short, insanely insanely tragic. When

1981
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: I tell you Leandre Lowe was not merely well liked

1982
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: but revered for his accomplishments, Dude, this is bad. This

1983
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: is like losing one of your top five current pound

1984
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,759
Speaker 1: for pound guys in the sport to a senseless murder.

1985
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: And it's a tragedy in every way you want to

1986
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: look at it, and also, you know, you don't want

1987
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 1: to get into the self defense elements of it. But

1988
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: like people carrying guns in all kinds of places, you know,

1989
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: I know, people tend to think that this makes them safer.

1990
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: It does not. Its matter of fact, it makes outcomes

1991
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: objectively more dangerous and awful. And here's a pretty clear

1992
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: case cut of that.

1993
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to argue that one, Luke, I'll

1994
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 2: tell you that much.

1995
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll see what. We'll get more details. Hopefully

1996
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: they can bring this guy who did it alleged to justice.

1997
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: But we shall fucking see, all right from at Teeper? No, yeah,

1998
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: deeeper Ramsey, deeper Ramsey. Kind of a fucking name is that?

1999
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 1: Do you think Izzy will shoot at least once in

2000
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: the Perira fight or will it be a kickboxing match?

2001
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: What do you think there? BC over one, Well, here's

2002
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: the deal.

2003
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 2: I mean, knee jerk, You're like, damn right, it's gonna

2004
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 2: be a kickboxing match. Would would he? Would he deem

2005
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: that strategy savvy enough to make the risk worth it?

2006
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: Luke? I think only I could. I could see him shooting,

2007
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: but not in the open. What I could do is

2008
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I could see him shooting like halfheartedly for something along

2009
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 1: the fence line. Against the fence.

2010
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 2: I could see to plant, to plant the seed.

2011
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: Or plan a seed, set up some kind of attack,

2012
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: something something like that, rather than just straight up clinching

2013
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: with him. Because like, for example, if someone's barreling down

2014
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: on you, what do you notice a lot of fighters

2015
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: do as they react, They kind of change levels to

2016
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: anticipate it. Almost like if there's a wave coming at you,

2017
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: you get down to swim underneath it. Right, it's kind

2018
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: of like that is he will invite that pressure and

2019
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: then clinch, right, So he doesn't do that. Does he

2020
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: get rid of that instinct to clinch, given who he's

2021
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: up against, and then clinch for the takedown then turn

2022
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: him into the fence? Right? Could that be something here

2023
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: like Whitaker is famous for this. Whittaker will go for

2024
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: a single leg just to turn you around so that

2025
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: now your back is along the fence and he's out

2026
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: in open space and he can retreat. Something like that,

2027
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: something like that.

2028
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the even though those are takedown attempts,

2029
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 2: it's not this. I don't think it's the true spirit

2030
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: of the question of either because he's taking damage, he's

2031
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 2: gonna shoot, or would that be part of his offensive strategy, Luke,

2032
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 2: beyond just planting a seed. I don't know. No, this

2033
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: is gonna be a kickboxing match.

2034
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: No, you gotta dance with I don't think people will

2035
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: shoot either.

2036
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 2: Look, you gotta dance with who who brung you there?

2037
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: All right?

2038
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: Yes? I agree?

2039
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: You mind if we dance with the O Dates great

2040
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 2: A great line, great line, Luke?

2041
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:01,719
Speaker 1: Where's that from?

2042
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: From the Animal House?

2043
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 1: Animal House? Yes? Blue Tarski zero point zero? All right? Uh?

2044
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:16,839
Speaker 1: From from at Mike Underscore? Go Dinez? Does Terrence McKinney

2045
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 1: versus Patty the Batty make the most sense? At MSG?

2046
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,600
Speaker 1: Now BC, they're gonna put Patty on that card. I

2047
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 1: guarantee it. But the idea after two seventy seven, because

2048
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: you don't know if you've seen it yet, you've got

2049
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: to go see Drew dover versus h what's his name Alves?

2050
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: I think it was half al Alves? Was his Dan

2051
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: or whatever? This this super jack Brazilian dude. Drew dover

2052
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: looked awesome in that contest, and he is unranked and

2053
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: he was willing to have a firefight. Patty could win

2054
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: that fight on the ground, Dover could win that one

2055
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: on the feet. It seems pretty pretty competitive, pretty action oriented.

2056
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 1: You can put that in Las Vegas? Or do you

2057
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: want to do Terrence McKinney.

2058
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean, is that a step too far in this

2059
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 2: in what would be the smart way to match Patty

2060
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 2: who has been critically rising along with the commercial love

2061
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 2: of course, But like you know, I'm buying in, Luke,

2062
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm starting to buy in here. That's that's the potential.

2063
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: Bridge too fine. I actually say that the McKinney one.

2064
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: McKinney is perfectly capable of being Patty, but like, if

2065
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 1: he's going to have this sort of sprint style of fighting,

2066
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: that may be a bad for him against Patty. So

2067
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,520
Speaker 1: the Bikinni fight in that sense might be that's.

2068
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 2: Gonna make a fun mixed drink though, Luke, they might

2069
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 2: just do that sometimes the UFC bartenders just do that

2070
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 2: shit Malotov for everybody, You know what I'm saying.

2071
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: And of course Bekinning could win that one just as

2072
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: easily too. That one's both of them are winnable in

2073
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 1: all the different directions. I tend to like the Dobra

2074
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: one a little bit more. But you know, does.

2075
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 2: Cody Stateman have like a barbed wire tattoo like Tom

2076
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 2: google out on Pam Anderson. Luke, you never talk about that.

2077
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember all right, Oh I saw some Uh

2078
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: there was a there was one of the female grapplers

2079
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: yesterday day at There was a big grappling super fight

2080
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 1: yesterday between Gordon Ryan and Flipapenna and one of the

2081
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,440
Speaker 1: wild Gordon Ryan. But it's very weird.

2082
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 2: He talk shit after Luke.

2083
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: He always talks shit, but it was weird. He wants

2084
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 1: I'll have to explain off air. It's kind of complicated

2085
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: how he won. But the short answer is a cardio tap.

2086
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 1: But actually not really anyway, neither here nor there. There

2087
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: was one of the women on that card who had

2088
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: an unbelievably good tattoo on her forearm. I forgot who

2089
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: her name was, but I wanted to bring that up.

2090
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: She had like very first rate work.

2091
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 2: Uh pix. Sure it never happened.

2092
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 1: I'll find I'll find her name from at Hirshbar double

2093
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: O seven. Why did BC stop doing nineties references? It

2094
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,520
Speaker 1: was art BC, motherfucker explain yourself.

2095
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Luke, I I I flowed sometimes you know,

2096
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 2: it's a it's an arsenal in my bag. But to

2097
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 2: be fair, when we lost a good old Jay from

2098
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 2: on this show on a full time basis, although Jay's

2099
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 2: still in the MK universe, out to Jay, Luke probably

2100
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 2: hates j wush out to Jay, just the same Pennington James,

2101
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 2: that is, if you're talking about the artist under there.

2102
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 2: He was a master of the nineties button. We went

2103
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 2: through a period after that, Luke, where it became dormant

2104
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 2: to use that thing. And you know when you float

2105
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 2: nineties brilliant references to the ethosphere, and it sounds like

2106
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 2: nobody's listening because, as you would say to our staff often,

2107
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 2: Hey Malcolm, member, it's not your fault that you were

2108
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: born in nineteen ninety eight, right, you've said, I mean

2109
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 2: you've said that a few times, Luke.

2110
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 1: Yes, which you have consistently misinterpreted for now years. Congratulate.

2111
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 2: It's a good bit. It's a little bit. It's a

2112
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 2: low hanging bit, but I you know, I use it.

2113
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 2: It's an icebreaker, to be fair, Luke. But the whole

2114
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 2: point of the what is the whole point of this? Oh?

2115
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 2: But lately we have had long island Luke, who not young.

2116
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 2: I am not old. I don't think by any means, Luke,

2117
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 2: he's been like decent, would you say below decent probably

2118
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 2: in terms of the consistency and the picking up of

2119
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 2: the references. But at least it's making a comeback, Luke.

2120
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: All right, we're seeing it more. But the short answer

2121
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: while we stop doing it is we have BC's right,

2122
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: we have basically staff who just don't know it. You know,

2123
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 1: you got to have another you have to have another

2124
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: old piece of shit, which Jay was.

2125
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 2: So we're looking for a producer between the ages of

2126
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 2: forty two and forty four. Please must be must love

2127
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 2: dogs and be a piece of shit. Thank you?

2128
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Does your back hurt when you get up in

2129
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: the morning? Apply here? It's really the really the answer. Okay,

2130
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: that is it for our top five. BC has promised

2131
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: that his return to BC's feces is just full of

2132
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: elder abuse and everything else. I is excite.

2133
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 2: Let's see there are some highs here look to go

2134
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 2: along with the many lows. But you know what I do,

2135
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 2: even though it's been two weeks, I sky with the

2136
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 2: globe for the good, the bad, the ugly, the highs

2137
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 2: and lows. The in betweens in combat sports and beyond,

2138
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 2: and I call this Have you seen this shit? It's

2139
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 2: a shit sandwich coming your way? All right, Luke? You

2140
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 2: know we always start in the UFC Fight Night in

2141
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 2: Vegas this past weekend. You said it earlier, Juliana Killer

2142
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 2: Miller making Triple H proud with the DX Cross Shop

2143
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 2: after stopping Brogan Walker Sanchez. Did they have heat? Did

2144
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 2: they have heat in that tough house?

2145
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: Luke?

2146
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't aware of that.

2147
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you.

2148
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 2: All right, Look at coach Paynya, like, yeah, like doing

2149
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 2: the Leonardo DiCaprio.

2150
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, do both of her both of her finalist one?

2151
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I can get down with that celebration style. You know,

2152
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna add what's her name again, Luke, Juliana

2153
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 2: Killer Miller to like my you know, my BC's like

2154
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 2: favorite fighter group, right, Like you know, she's not there

2155
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 2: with like you know, my Hatta and Cheyenne. But but

2156
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 2: I'm watching, Luke. Okay? Was that that didn't come across

2157
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 2: creepy at all?

2158
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: Right? Dude, everything you say comes across creepy. You go

2159
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: to Dunkin Donuts and just order an Eclaire and that

2160
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: weird smirk makes me think you want to declaire like

2161
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: we're just awful all the time.

2162
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 2: Well, that actually maybe true, Luke. Uh luke. We I

2163
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 2: thought it was a jab of death at first, but

2164
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,799
Speaker 2: this short left hook from Muhammed Usman, as we mentioned,

2165
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 2: took out Zach Payuga. Uh Luke. He was celebrating so

2166
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 2: aggressively in spitting that. Did you see the ringside doctor

2167
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 2: after like like like yo, dude, like get it together here,

2168
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: we're trying to check you out here.

2169
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. It's like brock Lester when he

2170
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: beat Frank Muir. Yeah, and I was just frothing and

2171
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: the mouthpiece came out. I was like, that's a true

2172
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: animal right there. By the way, look at that nice shot.

2173
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I think he parried the punch and then came up

2174
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 1: with the left.

2175
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 2: That's just good work, bro That's that's not a lot

2176
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 2: of movement, Like that's efficient, Luke. If that's a weapon,

2177
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 2: he can I mean he's gonna need a jab to

2178
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 2: set it up. That's what it hin't like some of

2179
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 2: his waiting. But hey, he got the win, okay, Jeff

2180
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 2: Neil Luke, as we talked about, I mean, he fucking

2181
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 2: battered Vicente Luke in ways I didn't think it was possible.

2182
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: Here's the finish, Luke. If if people hadn't seen what

2183
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,759
Speaker 2: we were talking about before. I mean, Vicente was willing

2184
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 2: to go into the drain and spin around, and Jeff

2185
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 2: Neil put him there, Luke.

2186
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: Dude, Jeff Neil, he was all business that night. He

2187
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: was all business that night. I really wasn't. I you're right.

2188
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Before things got derailed, I thought this was possible, but

2189
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 1: I had lost confidence that it was still possible. He

2190
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: proved that wrong and restored I think a lot of

2191
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 1: interest in what he can do in this division.

2192
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 2: If he's doing that type of shit. Yeah, it's different now,

2193
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: but the biggest ko may have come from Brian Battle.

2194
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 2: Luke himself a I think a tough winner or veteran,

2195
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 2: not really sure headkick.

2196
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: Last picked on the show. Well, these guys who get

2197
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 1: last picked, man, they got to watch out for them.

2198
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: They have weird hair and weird physiques, but they'll send

2199
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: you to the land of wind and ghost. Motherfucker.

2200
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 2: Don't think they're sure irrelevant my ass?

2201
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, mister irrelevant, will fuck your ass up. This

2202
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: was beautiful. The guy was pairying with where he was

2203
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: trying to. There was a lead hand battle there and

2204
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 1: the second time he does the lead hand battle, he

2205
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: actually steps in a little bit, which was all that

2206
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: battle was waiting for. The battle measured him and blinded

2207
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: him with the and the cross which also got him

2208
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 1: to lean into the kick and then fired the kick

2209
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: right behind it. That was super nice work from him, Luke.

2210
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 2: You don't mean to make light of a knockout loss here,

2211
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:21,719
Speaker 2: but exactly whose nudes does sam alv have, Luke? Because

2212
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 2: does he have the Fertita Brothers secrets?

2213
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 3: Because here's uh, I mean yeah, god Al Farran impersonator

2214
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 3: Mihal olisheshik Luke with a with a nice finish there.

2215
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 3: So let's seeah PFL playoffs from the Hulu theater there

2216
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 3: at MSG Luke and Rob Wilkinson he once fought is

2217
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 3: he in the UFC You mentioned he made the finals.

2218
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 3: He need his way to the championship round under two

2219
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 3: minutes to finish?

2220
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah baby that knee, Yeah, yeah, he was nice. He's

2221
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: marched everyone down, man, he and he looks big for

2222
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: the weight class now too, like he's he's coming in there.

2223
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: That's why you picked Acmeda like a Metov. Isn't this

2224
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 1: the sexy choice so to speak? Yeah, he's the more,

2225
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: He's a little bit more of the safe one. But

2226
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: Wilkinson's coming in there with a hot hand for sure.

2227
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 2: Well Agmetov has factory town ev made values, though, Luke,

2228
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 2: you gotta be on the prelims, Luke Martin Hamlet had

2229
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 2: a fight to try to get a spot on next

2230
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 2: season's roster, and uh he got it. Hit Luke, he

2231
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 2: got it. This was part of that moment pot lord.

2232
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: Oh so unsettling in the face.

2233
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: In the face, yes, uh wow. Yeah, another one.

2234
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: This was the guy Silvera had beaten. I watched him

2235
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: blow this all out. It's just very normal sport.

2236
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 2: Oh that's just a status. Are we allowed to show that?

2237
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure. That's disgusting? Look Brave FC sixty one.

2238
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: Shout out to Kaposa for putting this in our lives.

2239
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 2: Jarno Aarons with a heck of a judo throw here, Luke,

2240
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 2: or did I mean to say, am right? I mean

2241
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 2: let the boys be boys?

2242
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: Right? Oh wow, I have to see that one again.

2243
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: That was amazing. Let's see he gets wrapped up here?

2244
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: Does he step around, No, buddy. When they when they

2245
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: post off their head like that, that's when you know

2246
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: shit has gone very poorly.

2247
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what Oh my god, I mean, that's

2248
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 2: like a WW type move on.

2249
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: It looks a Haaraigosti is what it looks like.

2250
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 2: Damn, Luke, let's go to the adult soapbox Derby. You

2251
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 2: gotta be high to enter this. But they do crash

2252
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 2: a lot, so let's say.

2253
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, why are they? I mean, why are

2254
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: Mario and Luigi making cars out of fucking cotton candy?

2255
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck are they doing? Well?

2256
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 2: They hit the banana peel, Luke, and there you go.

2257
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 2: I got Koopa Troopa in this one.

2258
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 1: When the car, when the disintegrated car what's left of

2259
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: it falls on Luigi. There I get a boner, Luke.

2260
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 2: Real, you know, I get pumped up for real recognizing real.

2261
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 2: Here's Francis and Ganu dabbing up Deontay Wilder inside of

2262
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,879
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. Jim Wilder was also at the UFC fights

2263
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 2: over the week.

2264
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: Look how big Wilder is?

2265
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so, Luke, he's supposed to be coming back. Man,

2266
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 2: could be fun theater.

2267
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:19,600
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna be Helenius.

2268
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 2: That's a fight that's been rumored. Robert Helenius.

2269
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: That.

2270
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he's six ft seven, he can punch. He

2271
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 2: seems to be on a good run after stopping Kovnotsky twice. Luke,

2272
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:29,599
Speaker 2: that'd be a that'd be an interesting fight.

2273
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 1: Last fight against uh Damiazin. They hit each I've never

2274
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,679
Speaker 1: seen heavyweights hit each other more and not affect change

2275
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:40,679
Speaker 1: in that way. Like neither seem to have much pop

2276
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: on that night.

2277
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong in this regard, Luke. Uh

2278
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,759
Speaker 2: you know, I get pumped up for tip on tip

2279
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 2: when it's caught in the public eye. Look at these

2280
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 2: New York baseball legends, my two favorite baseball players of

2281
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 2: all time, Luke, Mike Piazza and Darryl Strawberry. It's not

2282
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 2: it's not really a tip on tip, Luke, but it's

2283
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 2: it's it's all. We're almost there, okay, BC.

2284
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 1: True or false. While Strawberry has been in and out

2285
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 1: of rehabs and financial destitution and all other forms of

2286
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 1: life harms, I'm gonna say he's aging better than the

2287
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 1: much younger Mike Piazza. True or false, Dude, Mike Satsis,

2288
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Mike Piatz's hairline is in is in free fall.

2289
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that's more of his style, to

2290
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 2: try to fight that battle and keep it going, you know,

2291
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 2: and even to his own, uh degradation as you're saying.

2292
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 2: But you know, Luke, Piazza was as cool as cool

2293
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 2: can be, do you? I mean, you know he married

2294
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 2: a playboy playmate and he you know, remember that Sports

2295
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 2: Illustrated feature that led the first paragraph was like the

2296
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: guy who listens to led Zeppelin and drives a Cadillac

2297
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 2: and is married to the you know, explain. I mean,

2298
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 2: it's pretty damn cool, Luke.

2299
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: Okay, the last thing I ever read in Sports Illustrated

2300
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 1: as a magazine was the John Rocker feature in my

2301
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 1: freshman year of college, where he said all that insanely

2302
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 1: racist shit and became the enemy of New York fans

2303
01:43:59,360 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: for life.

2304
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 2: The transition there, Luke from a great moment too. Yeah.

2305
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 2: All right, hey, let's just bring on the elder abuse

2306
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 2: Luke this week. You're gonna tell me if this is

2307
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 2: too far. Okay, here's Grandpa on the slipping slide. Oh Jesus, oh,

2308
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 2: I can't watch it.

2309
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 1: I can't, dude, watch this motherfucker's corpse just float.

2310
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 2: But that's not funny. No, cut to the next one.

2311
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, Let's take grand need of the paint

2312
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 2: herd in the paint on this basketball court.

2313
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Luke, Dude, when they talk about breaking your ankles on

2314
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:37,560
Speaker 1: the on the on the court, they literally broken this

2315
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: bitch's ankle.

2316
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 2: Wow, God, she's falling and she can't get up. Sometimes

2317
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 2: old people.

2318
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:48,839
Speaker 1: Before you transition, who does that to their fucking grandma? Exactly, Grandma,

2319
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cross you up, your fucking bitch.

2320
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 2: Take this godsham god to hell. Yeah, and come on,

2321
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 2: you know.

2322
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,759
Speaker 1: Wow, point God's you weren't ship.

2323
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 2: Exactly, Luke. Sometimes old people think they're in shape and

2324
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 2: they enter bike races, though, Luke.

2325
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Not this old person. Oh look at this, Come on,

2326
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 1: what stock ninety four?

2327
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it rolling, Luke. SummerSlam was in

2328
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: Nashville two weeks ago. I don't watch this stuff anymore,

2329
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 2: but Logan Paul is impressive. His ship hasn't appen.

2330
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 1: I've heard good things. I have seen some highlights on

2331
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 1: Instagram on the Sports Center Instagram feed. I don't know, yeah, yeah,

2332
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:36,560
Speaker 1: I saw. This is the exact one. I saw dude this.

2333
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know shit about wrestling, but this

2334
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 1: looks impressive to me.

2335
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it is a frog splash through the miz

2336
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 2: on an announced table. I mean that's that. Ain't bad, Luke. Unfortunately,

2337
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 2: Kid Rock was also in Nashville at the same time,

2338
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 2: and here's a ringside close up of him.

2339
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: Jesus, he looks like he has to braid his hair

2340
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: to keep the lice from spreading. Oh what the fuck?

2341
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 2: God? Oh my god?

2342
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 1: Wow?

2343
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 2: I mean Luke. You know, the truth is I kind

2344
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:12,719
Speaker 2: of grew up with this.

2345
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:15,640
Speaker 1: Luke Sony all grown up, like who is that?

2346
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 2: No, she's famous to who is that? I don't even know?

2347
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 1: Luke?

2348
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 2: Okay, here you go that they made uh Luke also

2349
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 2: on this card. Look, this is pretty cool. I'm throwing

2350
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 2: it in here.

2351
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: Kids. Their kids would fail every class in high school,

2352
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: even after trying.

2353
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Luke, I grew up around a lot

2354
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 2: of Kid Rocks. I'm gonna be really honest with you. Okay,

2355
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 2: I went to high school with him.

2356
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I grew up in the fucking South, So

2357
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 1: did I trust me?

2358
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go over to brock Lesnar. Luke, I don't

2359
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 2: know if you saw this highlight against Roman Reigns anytime

2360
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:49,720
Speaker 2: they're fucking with the ring and like, I'll get into it.

2361
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 2: This is pretty badass.

2362
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 1: Dude. What the fuck? Why are you watching brock lesnar

2363
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,959
Speaker 1: w W E highlights because.

2364
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:00,759
Speaker 2: That pretty awesome.

2365
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: Come on, that's pretty awesome, right, I mean listen, if

2366
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 1: you've been hitting the head with a tire iron, I

2367
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 1: can imagine it's being fun, you know, all.

2368
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 2: Right, Luke. The next night in Nashville, seventy three year

2369
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,679
Speaker 2: old Rick Flair had his final match.

2370
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 1: Are still doing weekend at Bernie's with Old Rick here.

2371
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,640
Speaker 2: Here he fakes a heart attack on Jay Lethal to

2372
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 2: get the upper hand. Luke, he's still the dirtiest player

2373
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 2: in the game. And that's that's that's a real blade job.

2374
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 1: By the way. That's out here, dude, Dude, Rick Flair

2375
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: needs to do the Hulk Hogan thing where he wears

2376
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: the bandana because he's got just no hair left except

2377
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 1: that ship hanging on at the end.

2378
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you were going to say he needs

2379
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 2: to do the whole Cogan thing and call out all

2380
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 2: black people.

2381
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: No, no, come on, Well, I mean you can make

2382
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: that joke if you want, but I was gonna say, dude,

2383
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:48,720
Speaker 1: seventy three, you know, can we can we put a

2384
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: stop to this? I mean, how long is this going

2385
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: to keep going?

2386
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 2: I mean he's had many memorable final Matt rustle Mania

2387
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 2: twenty four against Sean Michaels. Luke that I love you.

2388
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 2: That Oh that's I mean it was it was Shakespeare,

2389
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 2: it was theater that was like it was a few

2390
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 2: years ago off Broadway though.

2391
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 1: You know, you were like, I can't tell if this

2392
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:13,679
Speaker 1: is uh uh you know Macbeth or or Rick fucking Flair.

2393
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: You know.

2394
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 2: Wow, Hey, look, let's go over. We had we had

2395
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 2: an adult abuse. Let's get the kid. Let's get a

2396
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 2: kid involved there. Let's pick out a let's pick out a.

2397
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 2: Here we go.

2398
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 1: We had a bottle rocket or some ship.

2399
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like definitely rocket.

2400
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, let kids handle fucking fireworks. That's always a good idea.

2401
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 2: God. The good news.

2402
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 1: Kids are not smart, okay.

2403
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,719
Speaker 2: Luke, right in the pills, right in the pills.

2404
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 1: Let me I realized is like, you can have a

2405
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: smart kid, but they're still not smart. Like ship you

2406
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 1: just understand as dangerous. They don't they don't grasp get

2407
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: that kid of pills.

2408
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 2: Ander luke. Wow, that's just yeah, all right, let's go

2409
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 2: to weightlifting fails. Luke got a good transition. I think

2410
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 2: this brings new meaning to the dead lift.

2411
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: Right, So he's squatting high bar. Yeah, that's it. Oh,

2412
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: go with those his eyeballs, what the fuck fell out?

2413
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:13,759
Speaker 2: Some people thought it was teeth, but it was his.

2414
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: Ear budd Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, his ear pods or

2415
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,760
Speaker 1: whatever the they're called. Yeah. Yeah, oh man, let's see,

2416
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: let's get he he goes at. Yeah, he just loses

2417
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: all control on the descent and then you gotta bail.

2418
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: You have to bail backwards. You have to let it

2419
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:27,879
Speaker 1: go backwards, not carry you forwards.

2420
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:30,640
Speaker 2: Fall forward, fall forwards, is what they always would tell

2421
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:33,719
Speaker 2: you at the Valedictorian peach fail forward loose Uh luke,

2422
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 2: does a does a lift count? If you can't uh,

2423
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 2: steady your legs afterwards and stay put?

2424
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to hit lockout. You have to achieve.

2425
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, this guy had issues with that.

2426
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 1: Look, he lost all control on the descent and by

2427
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 1: the time he got to the bottom, it was over.

2428
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 2: Here's this guy trying. Oh here, take this shoe Jesus. Yeah.

2429
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, my man never pitched it behind. You got to

2430
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 1: pitch it over the center of your your body. He

2431
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: pitches it in front. See that.

2432
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she almost just like he's trying to like, yeah,

2433
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 2: that's that's that's rough. Here hold this for me, you know,

2434
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 2: you take that l yourself there, Uh, Luke, Hall of

2435
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 2: Famer James Tony with a lifting fail under your harsh critiques.

2436
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy could kick your ass and he's

2437
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 2: in there with these these these gardening gloves, Luke, is

2438
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 2: that acceptable.

2439
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 1: To the gloves that they like the guys on the

2440
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:27,679
Speaker 1: Alaskan crab boats wear in the middle of the Arctic

2441
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 1: Circle or shit like that? Why is he wearing these gloves?

2442
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't want to develop callouses. I mean he's

2443
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 2: still lifting hard.

2444
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, after this is over, are you you

2445
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 1: know shucking oysters or something like? Have you seen those

2446
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 1: guys with because they have to grab the oyster and

2447
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 1: they have to have it, they kind of rubberrised against

2448
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: the blade. Yeah, yeah, what the fuck are you doing?

2449
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 1: My guy?

2450
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:50,760
Speaker 2: All right? Hey, Sign of the Week, Luke, This is

2451
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:55,560
Speaker 2: a throwback to twenty thirteen, but uh, this guy huge ESPN.

2452
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:59,759
Speaker 1: Fan Penis Penis Penis Penis. That's clever.

2453
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm here for this all day. I'm not

2454
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna apologize for loving this. Okay, Uh,

2455
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 2: white folks are out in the wild this week, Luke.

2456
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 2: You know that makes our listeners mad. But here we go.

2457
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,639
Speaker 2: Uh you put a white guy on a BMX ramp

2458
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 2: and suddenly good things happened.

2459
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh boyeah, that's just that's just good old fashioned white fun. Right.

2460
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 2: We got more white fun on the street ramps if

2461
01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 2: we can transition from one. Yeah, there we go on.

2462
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 1: Can someone reach out to me being like you're too

2463
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 1: mean to b C. I'm like you idiots, I'm not

2464
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: mean enough.

2465
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,759
Speaker 2: Oh Ko, Luke, that that bike?

2466
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: Wow, let's see. Well you know what he really got

2467
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 1: airborne with that? You know that's really what stood out

2468
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 1: to me, Luke.

2469
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 2: I take those emails of criticism seriously, though, So how

2470
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 2: about a white guy win.

2471
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 1: Hold on just anyone all the mockery you've ever done

2472
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: of me with like the David Hasselhoff thing. Has anyone

2473
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: ever written you ever to say you were too hard

2474
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 1: on me? Even one? No? Not what? Right? Exactly? So

2475
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 1: all of you fucking soft children who can't can't take

2476
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 1: a joke.

2477
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,799
Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up. Okay, wow, wow, Luke, we're laughing

2478
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 2: at you, not with you.

2479
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 1: I get it. But it's like all the day they

2480
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 1: do they run into white night you in like the

2481
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 1: most pathetic of ways, and you know, I don't get

2482
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 1: the same courtesies. So each ship is.

2483
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,680
Speaker 2: What I you treat them like when like you're the

2484
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,879
Speaker 2: only adult in like a three on three driveway basketball

2485
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 2: game against like kids, and you're like crossing people over and.

2486
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,879
Speaker 1: You know, just like that, like that kid did his grandma.

2487
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like that. All right, Luke, how about a

2488
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 2: white guy win to turn the tide?

2489
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Here?

2490
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 2: Check out this street dancing. If I could add one

2491
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 2: thing to my tool belt right now, it's.

2492
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: These moves right now, this this, this, this, this fella.

2493
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: They've turned this fella into a meme. Like it's like,

2494
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 1: oh that Friday feel when you're getting out of the office.

2495
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: This is me on the way to the Krispy Kreme

2496
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: or whatever.

2497
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 2: You think.

2498
01:52:58,080 --> 01:52:59,639
Speaker 1: That guy man's got some footwork.

2499
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 2: If you got that footwork, Luke, do you just you

2500
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 2: just you just bang right, yeah.

2501
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's definitely plowed half the chicks in those

2502
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 1: you know en dress.

2503
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 2: Wow, October Fest. Indeed, all right, look, let's let's let's

2504
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 2: bring carrot on a motor bike. I'm sorry, it's what

2505
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 2: the people want, okay, I mean a good start.

2506
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: For the big country. Here is not ready for my god, she.

2507
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 2: Got my tumbo? No no, no, Luke, wow from that

2508
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 2: telephone pole when.

2509
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,040
Speaker 1: They try to use their feet to break watch.

2510
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no. But Bob, Luke, I've got a game

2511
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 2: here that I know you love because I do too.

2512
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 2: It's called would you eat this? Okay, Luke, here we go.

2513
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 2: Let's start with the old.

2514
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

2515
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 2: Apparently you can buy this uh probably in the South, Luke,

2516
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 2: made by Primo. It's hot dog balls and tomato paste.

2517
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Probably not Probably did you dip.

2518
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 2: The wieners in the saw in the tomato sauce?

2519
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 1: Is it? Are they smart wieners?

2520
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over this one, Luke. This is

2521
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 2: a real thing. And then I think in the Midwest. Uh,

2522
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 2: these do not have Delta, not eight or nine properties

2523
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 2: in them. But it's Kraft mac and cheese gummies.

2524
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Okay, well that is horrendous and you wouldn't try that.

2525
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 1: I tried. I tried.

2526
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, there you go. I don't have

2527
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,600
Speaker 2: a shit cake for you, Luke, but I got a

2528
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 2: shoecake on this one. Would you would you take a

2529
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 2: slice of this?

2530
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: Let's see, oh these all those like is it a cake?

2531
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: And then you know it's actually like, yeah, I.

2532
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 2: Try, I think I think it's a cake.

2533
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 1: The thing is, I forget the name of the substance,

2534
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 1: but there's a kind of like it's an edible cake.

2535
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: Frosting is the thing that holds it together.

2536
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 2: It's like blue.

2537
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:53,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can eat it, but it clearly tastes

2538
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 1: like not that great.

2539
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 2: Long Island Lucas saying it's fondant.

2540
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 1: Fondent, Yeah, fond it fondan't I gave.

2541
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 2: It a French you know, because I'm you know, directly

2542
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 2: related to the Quebec, the Quebec quah Luke the ones

2543
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 2: would Yeah, I am a man of many shades, Luke,

2544
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 2: including beije. Would you try this? Uh? Would you take

2545
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 2: a bite of this chocolate bar?

2546
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:17,120
Speaker 1: Luke?

2547
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 2: This is a real thing again, this in South Korea,

2548
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 2: the flavor cheese and onion chocolate.

2549
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 1: Who I would try it? I would try. I don't

2550
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: know if I would eat the whole bar.

2551
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 2: You ever go to Ocean State job lot, Luke, and

2552
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:35,200
Speaker 2: to smell so weird in there. But they always have

2553
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 2: stuff like this in the candy section. Maybe not this bizarre. Okay,

2554
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 2: I guess you know those that know no one more

2555
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 2: for you, Luke. Also a real thing, Coca Cola flavored Pringles.

2556
01:55:51,840 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 1: Wow, yes, I would try it.

2557
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 2: Ooh long long paws on there. Yeah, I bet you

2558
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 2: they that's hot.

2559
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: One time I urinated in a Pringles cannon left it

2560
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: on a high school bus. But I'll say that for

2561
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 1: another time.

2562
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wow yeah, alright, yeah, that's all. No.

2563
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 2: I have one more piece of shit for you, Luke.

2564
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 2: You should like this. I think they call it the

2565
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 2: uh the hot box and ice box challenge. Luke, could

2566
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 2: you pass this challenge?

2567
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: So it's okay, it's an ice bath, all right.

2568
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's for als, Luke, but I'll

2569
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 2: donate if you can do this.

2570
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 1: All right, So far, so good? Okay, that's you know,

2571
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 1: get get by the way. These ice baths are harder

2572
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 1: than they look, by the way, and then they oh

2573
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: they turned the tubes up and then oh they just

2574
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 1: smoke out in there.

2575
01:56:57,960 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2576
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 1: Bro, you want to talk about active recovery? Wow? Wow, wow, dude.

2577
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 1: Every MK show should be done in these dudes yard.

2578
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, just like this. What does Kevin Hard have

2579
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 2: cold as balls? Look? We should do a show like

2580
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 2: that with this setup right here. Yeah, yeah, there it is.

2581
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 2: That's all there.

2582
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 1: And leave me in there and tell my wife and

2583
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 1: kid I loved him. That's that's the dream, isn't it. Uh.

2584
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 2: That's all the shit I got for this week, Luke,

2585
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed it.

2586
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: It was great. It was great. BC. Let's remind the

2587
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 1: folks you can vote for us with the World mm Awards,

2588
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:39,880
Speaker 1: which would be very beneficial for us. You can pay

2589
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 1: us back that way. Would always appreciate that when you

2590
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 1: do worldmm Awards dot Com slash nominees QR code on

2591
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 1: the screen if you want to just do that or

2592
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 1: if you're listening again, worldmem Awards dot Com slash nominees. Course,

2593
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: Showtime dot Com is the label that pays Showtime dot

2594
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:54,960
Speaker 1: Com thirty day for you trial. If you're like it,

2595
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 1: you can keep it. If not, you can bounce Morningcombat

2596
01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:00,960
Speaker 1: dot store for all the merch and BC I will

2597
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. Any final welcome back, buddy.

2598
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:06,120
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. Thank you to our

2599
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 2: people who filled dead. Thank you to the audience who

2600
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 2: welcome me back in the DM so aggressively. Thank you.

2601
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 2: Luke will be in proximity tomorrow. There was something I

2602
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:17,560
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you.

2603
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: I forgot it now.

2604
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could have been brilliant. It probably was,

2605
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 2: but I don't have it anymore. Look, it's gone.

2606
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: Well, I have to go have the doctor look at

2607
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: my smart code, So looking forward to that here today.

2608
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, that's it, that's all BC.

2609
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 1: Let's close this out. I'm glad to have you somebody.

2610
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 2: It's hot as balls, Luke outside and inside like this

2611
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 2: is I'm in a sweatbox right now.

2612
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what it's it's hot, it's balls. I gotta

2613
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 1: get going. We will have a ton of content coming

2614
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 1: your way BC, and are going to be recording on

2615
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 1: our Basically we're going in on our off day. Is

2616
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 1: really the reality here to just put a ton of

2617
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 1: stuff in the tank. So that should be chucked yep. Yeah,

2618
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 1: Chuck's gonna be there live MK show on Monday from

2619
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:02,920
Speaker 1: the studio, so that'll be fun as well. Be on

2620
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 1: the lookout for that. BC. I'm glad to have you back,

2621
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 1: my friend, there is really no one who can fill

2622
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 1: that chair quite like you, and uh I look forward

2623
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:10,640
Speaker 1: to seeing you tomorrow and then not hanging out at

2624
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 1: night when you reject my advances to be a friend.

2625
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 2: I told my wife about that. She goes, yeah, he

2626
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:18,440
Speaker 2: probably knows it too. Your you know you're an asshole.

2627
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 2: You know I'm working. I'm working on it. Thank you,

2628
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 2: thank you. That's all I got.

2629
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 1: Hey, I'll say this, Okay, I'm gonna here's what I'm

2630
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:27,800
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna leverage the audience against you BC

2631
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:32,560
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Bo Nickel is fighting on the Contender Series.

2632
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 1: Do you want to watch Contender Series?

2633
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 2: Yes? I do? Yes, I do?

2634
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:39,879
Speaker 1: All right, so we can watch Contender Series and have lots.

2635
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 2: Of gummies that may or man tie takeout.

2636
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's some tie takeout. What what is my producers like?

2637
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 1: Set up a cam? Tell you what? You motherfuckers can

2638
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 1: set up a cam? How about that? How about that?

2639
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm not lifting a finger, not lifting a finger for that?

2640
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:54,680
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about you want to wait?

2641
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 2: You want to do a MK live stream of the

2642
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:00,840
Speaker 2: Contender series? Luke? Is that what you're asking me?

2643
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get they're trying to wring

2644
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 1: every ounce of water out of this weekend that we're

2645
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:11,320
Speaker 1: up there for two days anyway, probably not all right, BC.

2646
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,440
Speaker 1: Glad to have you back for Malka for showtime for

2647
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 1: CBS Sports. This has been MK. We will see you

2648
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 1: guys live Wednesday in studio in the bomb shelter. Until then,

2649
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 1: all of your gains be loyal