WEBVTT - #651 Packers Unscripted: Digging into the draft 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:11.200 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.160 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.599 partner in crime, Weston had Kowitz, for coming to you 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:22.480 hear from our studios at lambeau Field West. The NFL 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.680 Draft is just two days away, the first round just 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.160 two days away at the time that we are taping this. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.239 How does that that hype song go? Y'all ready for this? 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.280 Like that? Right? I mean, here we go? Right? The 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:42.519 Packers enter the this three day drafting extravaganza with eleven picks, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.120 and the eyes are really on the top of this 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.440 draft for the Packers because Green Bay, as a result 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.960 of the Davante Adams trade to the Raiders. The Packers 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.920 have two first round picks two second round picks. The 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.800 numbers are two and twenty eight in the first round, 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:02.520 fifty three and fifty nine in the second round. Um, 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.600 this could be a draft unlike one we have seen 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.160 in Green Bay for quite some time. My friend, March eighteen, 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.920 two thousand twenty two, I was walking into Barnes and 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.119 Nobles somewhere in Green Bay. I assume you were getting 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.280 a foot massage. That's when the reports came out that 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.440 Davante Adams was going to be traded. And and here's 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.240 the thing, Michael, since that moment and since the time 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:27.800 in which it was made official, I might have botched 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.320 it. It It might have been March eighteenth that it was 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.560 actually made official. March seventeenth report came out. Since the 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.120 time that that was made official, the question has been, so, 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:37.840 what are the Packers going to do in this draft? 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.120 They have four picks in the top fifty nine, the 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.600 first time since the merger that that's ever happened. If 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.680 they end up picking in those spots, they have obvious 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.120 needs at multiple positions, but maybe not so much so 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.440 that it's like, Okay, well they have to take a 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:56.760 certain player at this spot. But there's so many areas 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.880 that have made this a compelling draft, from the proce 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.320 specs involved, to the fact that it's been twenty years 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.440 since the Packers have drafted receiver since their in the 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.840 first round, the fact they have guys replaced on the 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.160 offensive line the defensive line, and that has created this 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.640 cloud of really questions that we've been seeing an insider 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.520 inbox that we've seen on Twitter, and everybody has had 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.880 an opinion on what the Packers should do. Well, Michael, 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.079 in two days time, at the time in which we're 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.480 taping this, we will finally get some answers. Yeah. Well, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.519 it's interesting you go back to that, to the moment 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.360 that Davante Adams was traded and at that time, and 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.920 this is interesting when you talk about exactly what are 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.840 the Packers needs? Right, because at the time that Adams 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.600 was traded, if you had said, okay, what are what 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.239 are the Packers biggest needs in this draft, everybody would 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.560 have said, obviously wide receiver on the offensive side and 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.600 defensive line. Right. But then, in as we talked about 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.440 on our last show, in classic typical Brian Gudacount's fashion, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.399 what does he do between the start of free agency 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.120 and the draft. He signs Jared need a veteran to 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:05.080 come in on the defensive line. He signed Sammy Watkins, 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.600 a veteran to come in and help out at wide receiver, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.800 putting him in a position with all this draft capital 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.520 at the top of the draft, putting him in a 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.440 position where he doesn't have to say, all right, on 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.880 Thursday night, I have to get a receiver. I have 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.920 to get a defensive lineman. Because, as we mentioned on 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.080 our last show, if the Packers had to play a 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:29.079 game on May one, they have the players to go 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.400 and play the game, right He, Brian Gudukins is always 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.520 going to make the draft about the future investment, not 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.800 necessarily here. He doesn't force himself into pain himself into 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.840 the corner, so to speak, of the draft having to 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.240 be about the here and now and about week one 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.640 of the upcoming season. So that's where we are. When 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.360 I look at when I look at the Packers and 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.320 roster needs in this draft, I break them down into 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.040 into sort of two tiers. To me, the top tier 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.680 is it's still wide receiver and defensive line, I think, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.720 but also offensive tackle and then edge rusher. Offensive tackle. If, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.080 as we talked about previously, if the Packers going with 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.440 David Bactieri at left tackle, Yash and I'm in at 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.720 right tackle, You're still gonna need somebody to back up 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.960 those spots. You want to have a young, developing player 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.080 who could fill in if if injuries were to strike again. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.320 Edge rusher, the Packers have Rashaan Gary and Preston Smith, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.400 but who do they have after that? There are a 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.440 lot of question marks, a lot of unproven players. Maybe 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.880 you draft, uh, you know, invest a high, high pick 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.360 in this draft to fortify the edge rusher position. So 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.599 those are the four spots for me that are that 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.279 are sort of like the tier one of the roster needs. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:50.000 But then also safety, cornerback, inside linebacker, tight end. I 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.839 think all of those are also in play for the Packers, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.920 maybe not necessarily in the first round, but certainly come 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.839 Friday nights starting in the second round, I think those 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.720 those positions coming to play. My point is that the 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.960 way this sets up for Brian gutacoons at this point 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.479 with the four picks in the top sixty, they're aside 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.839 from taking a quarterback or running back or a specialist, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.120 no position drafted within those top four picks that he 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.919 has would necessarily surprise me based on how the Packers 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.880 are currently constructed, because I think what you outline there 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.799 is the fact that Green Bay has a certain amount 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.760 of needs that I think a lot of that was 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.159 brought on by the changes this offseason. Davante Adams trade, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.480 so Darius Smith being released, um not having another guy 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.680 and another Shawn Gary kind of hand picked in that 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:45.280 role behind Billy Turner being released. Right, So I mean 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.000 like there there are areas where they lost, but by 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.680 and large, they have depth at all these positions. The 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.520 way that this roster is fortified, there are bodies at 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.560 all these positions. Cornerback, you have a you have three 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.160 guys you put up probably against anybody's safety. Adrian Amos 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.120 Darnell Savage are going to be together for their fourth 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.800 straighte year. That rarely happens in the NFL. So from 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.560 that perspective, it is about building depth. But what makes 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.599 it so compelling is the fact that there are five 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.480 picks in the first two days that Green Bay is 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.599 slated to make. Right now, there are four picks in 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.560 the top fifty nine that they are slated to make. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.320 And we saw what happened in two thousand nineteen when 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.640 Green Bay had two picks, and the what you know, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.440 the ways in which Brian Goodukins can move around. Depending 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.320 on how the board falls, somebody's going to fall, Mike, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.120 one of these receivers, maybe one of the edge rushers, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.320 maybe a safety we've even seen, you know, maybe an 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.440 inside linebacker, maybe even a defensive lineman. Just because you 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.960 just don't know that this this draft feels as unpredictable 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.200 as any that we've entered in a long time. And 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.839 it's not because well, that player isn't good enough. It's 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.280 because I think there really is a wide array of 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.560 talent that's all kind of pretty much the same outside 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.840 of that top six or seven players. The real question 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.960 also becomes how many quarterbacks get taken before the Packers 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.039 go on the board at twenty two. There aren't going 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.359 to be as many as these past few years, but 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.360 those quarterback spots ultimately are the ones that end up 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.920 leading to a skill position player falling or a defensive 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.480 lineman falling again, enhancing the options for the Packers once 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.960 they go on the board. Yeah, well in talking about 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.920 some of these some of these positions of need, and 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.040 we will just have to see how the draft falls. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.760 And also with regard to Gouda, Counston has options with 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.880 the draft capital that he has. I mean, he could 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.800 move up, he could move down, he could do both 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.400 within both Thursday night and Friday night. There's no way 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.040 of knowing exactly how this is going to go. But 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.360 with regard to the wide receiver position, that's the one 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.920 everybody wants to talk about. Is there a guy or 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:52.040 guys that that might have struck your fancy here as 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.280 as this draft has gotten close. The cool thing is Mike. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.280 The more you dive into it, the more you like 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.080 basically all these options in the top fifty, um because 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.800 every single one of them offers something different. If you 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.679 want a six foot guy like Chris Lave that isn't 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.960 your typical type of receiver that Green Bay has drafted, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.040 or you know Christian Watson, you know, you have the 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.240 George Pickens kid that you know everyone knows about guys 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.240 that have a little bit more size. You're the one, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.600 and I've joked about it, but it's actually true. You're 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.679 the one that drove the Traylon Burkes you know train 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:29.480 and that whistle caught my attention to because the more 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.120 you see this kid and the more you realize what 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.439 he did at Arkansas and how they turn things around 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.520 this season, he seems more and more to me like 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.520 a Green Bay Packer type player. The question is whether 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.360 or not he's there at twenty two. And the thing 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.400 that that that's gonna have to get decided before the 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:50.360 Packers probably even remotely on near the clock, is Jamison 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.160 Williams is a team willing to take him with the 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.320 A C. L. Concerns, does he go tend you know, 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.400 as some people have mocked him to the Jets. Yeah. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.840 It's funny because because when when he toward the A 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.839 c L in the National Championship Game and in the 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.320 early stages after that, it was like, oh, maybe Jamison Williams, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:08.800 you know, will be there at the top of the 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.560 second round for somebody you know, And then then it 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.200 was like, oh, well, yeah, these teams at the bottom 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.160 of the first round. You know, the Packers have these 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.240 two picks, they have a need at wide receiver. Maybe 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.360 they would take Jamison Williams, even though he wouldn't obviously 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.400 be ready to go right away as a rookie. The 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.200 more time has gone on, the more Jamison Williams has 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:30.160 climbed up to the spot, or at least much closer 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.839 to the spot in the draft where he would where 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.480 he would be getting picked if he had never gotten hurt. Um. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:41.000 I think the only the question is he's probably not 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.720 going to be the first receiver off the board, which 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.880 he most likely would be if he hadn't gotten hurt. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.040 But it sure doesn't sound like he's going to last 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.800 much past the maybe the four or fifte pick or something. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.280 Like that, whereas a couple of months ago there was 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.800 there there was a whole different narrative with regard to 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.079 where Jamison Williams might available. So the question natually becomes 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.880 where is Williams fall. I think Drake, London and Wilson 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.120 will both be off the board by they get to 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.000 that point. I just feel the reason I bring up 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.959 Williams is I feel like that's gonna be the one 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.960 that really decides how far Burke's falls, because I think 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.120 once that that wage starts with the receivers, I think 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.800 that's going to carry through a little bit um and 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.640 then you look a little bit farther down. I really 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.480 love the sky More kid, in addition to having a 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.920 fantastic name. You know, there's some questions about with him 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.320 and Watson, the competition uh involved in that, but but 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.560 certainly I think he's another guy doesn't have the traditional 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.640 size Green Bay looks for. But I just I love 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.679 the way he performed. They've had success in the past, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.080 obviously with Western Michigan recruits. And then I just got 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.880 to give the shout out to the kid Alec Pierce 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.600 from Cincinnati. He's probably gonna end up being a date 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.760 two three ish type pick out of Cincinnati, but one 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.480 he has the common bond there with Matt Lafleur. There's 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.760 a lot of connections on that Cincinnati staff to La Floor. 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.240 They've already dipped into that well before with Josidae Iguara. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.800 But the kid loves the Packers, So I mean, you 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.720 can't ever go wrong with the guy that you know. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.640 I think he grew up in whatever it was, Illinois, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.440 but yet we grew up a Packers fan. Just a 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.200 remarkable backstory edition to the fact that he has some 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.400 of those type of attributes that Green Bay likes. Yeah, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.480 it's interesting for for those who have been following the 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.720 ore Our Prospect Primer series that we've been doing for 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.400 the for the past month on the website and obviously 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.760 and if you've been following inbox. I've said, and I'm 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.400 not saying this as a as a scout, as a 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.800 talent evaluator. I'm just talking as the as as the 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.320 the interested observer, right who looks into these things a 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.360 little bit. The two receivers in this draft that for 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.360 whatever reason, they they've struck my fancy. As I like 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.240 to say, our Traylon Burks from Arkansas and Christian Watson 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.240 from North Dakota State. I just I I like the 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.640 bigger receivers. Burks is six to two twenty five, Yet 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.920 at two twenty five he ran a four five five 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.960 in the forty. Now, yes, he's not a four three 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.320 burner like a crystal lava or a gar. That's not 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.280 the way they build things here either over there, right, 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.679 But but at tuner in twenty five pounds of four 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:04.600 or five five is not exactly slow. Christian Watson six pounds, Now, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.040 he did run in the four threes, So this is 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.040 a This is a taller guy, rangier guy, who also 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.480 does have the speed. What I'm what what I'm curious 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.880 about though, as you mentioned with Burke's will he be 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.040 there at twenty two or is he going to go 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.240 sooner than that? Um? I think that could that could 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.040 certainly go either way. With Watson, I start to wonder 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.439 the more I read about it, is is drafting him 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.080 in the first round a little bit too rich? But 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.199 then with the packers not picking until fifty three fifty 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.320 nine in the second round, is he going to be 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.240 there at the end of the second round? I think 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.360 that becomes a big question mark, UM, Because it's because 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.160 it seems that he's maybe a bottom of the first 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.280 round guy, but more likely a top half of the 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.880 second round guy. And then he's not there, uh in 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.000 the fifties. If the packers are waiting for him to 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.840 drop that, do you know who? He reminds me of? 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.360 Not not from a makeup standpoint, This reminds me of 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.760 Jordy Nelson, because if if they get a two or 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.440 twenty eight, I'm not saying he's gonna I think he's 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.480 gonna be a good pro. But you wonder about the 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.920 value the packers had with those two second round picks. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.080 I mean with the math I was doing with all 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.680 these picks they have Brian Goodkin's depending regardless of what 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.920 happens on on Thursday night, he can do anything he 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.040 wants in the second round. They can go up into 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.000 the top three of the second round if they want to. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.200 With with pairing up some of these picks, That's where 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.080 it gets interesting with me with Watson. If that's a 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.240 guy that you can take at thirty five or thirty six, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.480 I really like that value. And and it's not to 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.440 take anything away n D s U is one of 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.960 the pre eminent powers in that division of football. They've 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.319 won how many national championships over the last twenty years. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.360 But that's the only thing holding me back from it. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.719 It's just this game is different, and in playing at 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.400 that level and creating separation is different. It's when you 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.760 have options like Burke's, when you have options like Pickings. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.600 These guys have played in the SEC. They've seen the 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.040 very best that college football has to offer. That's why 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.000 to me, a lot of dbs who are going to 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.760 have their names called this weekend. Yeah, no, I hear you. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.600 I I hear exactly. I love him too. He has everything. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.600 He's how you draw it up if you're creating a 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.240 player on Madden. He has everything you wanted a receiver. 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.520 It's funny, though, that you had mentioned You mentioned Jordy 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.240 Nelson pick thirty six from two thousand eight, and it's 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:18.920 funny that you had mentioned that because for all this 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.960 talk about, are are the Packers going to draft a 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.000 wide receiver in the first round for the first time 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.040 since two thousand and two with Javon Walker. Packers have 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.280 had such a great track record of success with second 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.920 round draft picks Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Greg Jennings Randall 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:38.120 cob Right who was the highest. The highest pick of 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.960 those second rounders was Jordy Nelson at thirty six and 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.440 almost the I don't know whether you'd want to call 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.840 it the big coincidence or the big irony or whatever, 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.640 but if Brian Goodakun's trades to the thirty six spot 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.920 to take a wide receiver, that would that would almost 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.800 like put a bow on this entire discussion we've been 0:14:55.800 --> 0:15:00.480 having UM for the entire offseason. UM. Before we get 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.400 to some other positions, I do want to take care 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.320 of our sponsored business. 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UM, because uh, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.760 I know in discussions that we've had a guy that 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.640 I really like on the defensive line, though again I 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.520 don't know if he's going to be there. Is Devonte 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.240 Wyatt from Georgia. There are these, you know, three guys 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.280 on that defensive front from Georgia. Trayvon Walker's being talked 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.480 about is possibly the number one overall pick now ahead 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.240 of both Thibodeaux and Hutchinson, the the the edge rushers 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.800 from Oregon and Chigin respectively. So Trayvon Walker mic go 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.840 number one. There's Jordan Davis, the three forty pound you know, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:12.440 run stuffing nose tackle who ran a sub four eight 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.640 forty at three forty pounds at the combine, which was 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.800 which was stunning, but with whyatt, Why it's three hundred 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.600 four pounds. He's not a small guy, and yet his 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.520 forty time was very similar to Jordan Davis. Now, running 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.080 a four seven seven forty three four pounds is no 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.200 is no easy trick. So he's a guy that I've 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.520 had that I've had my eye on, But again, will 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.720 he be there at at twenty two for the packers 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.240 to be able to jump on him. I don't know 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.680 another one that I did a prospect primer on Travis 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:48.440 Jones from Yukon UM six ft four three pounds. You know, 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.000 you kon again. There's that competition level and this is 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.080 a guy that's maybe being talked about more in the 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.480 second round. But will he last all the way towards 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.720 the end of the second round. It's really hard to say. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.480 But yet at the Senior Bowl, the offensive lineman at 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.160 the Senior Bowl voted him the toughest guy that they 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:11.440 faced in the drills all week long. So that says 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.280 something about, you know, the the pedigree that he has, 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.639 even with all the questions about I'm coming from Yukon 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.640 as opposed to a Power five conference. So those two guys, 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.560 Davante Wyatt Travis Jones, those are those are two that 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.760 I have my eye on on the defensive. It's actually 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.960 Travis Jones is the one that started to make me 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.920 look more into the defensive line and kind of shifted 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.720 my thought to that seems like that's a position they 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.720 could potentially take on Day two. That's a position that 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.480 maybe in the second round. And trust me, man, the 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.360 every position is a gamble. It's a big gamble. Once 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.680 you start to move back on defensive lineman because you're 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.160 you're starting to lose some of the attributes that you're 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.600 you're looking for in three down players, you're Kenny Clarks 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.760 of the world. That's why, in my mind, I mean, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.600 Jordan Davis won't be there, so it really has centered 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.600 on Wyatt and if why it is there at two 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.200 or twenty eight, if they want to take him there, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.879 I see a out of those carryover type attributes with 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.240 Wyatt that we saw in Kenny Clark in six team. Yeah, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:05.960 that's that's kind of That's kind of where I am 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.000 in the transition that they've made during that time with 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.159 their defensive lineman. He seems to fit the bill a 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.200 little bit more for what Green Bay is looking for. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.960 If why it's there, I like that pick, I like 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.360 his pedigree, I like what they've accomplished at Georgia last year. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.639 And then if he's not, then I mean there's right 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.240 now what Mike CBS Sports has eight nine different guys 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.520 that can be on day two at that position. Looking 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.960 at edge is where I fell in love with George 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.000 Carl loft Is And you've been talking about the Purdue, 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.919 the Purdue edge rusher for a while now. I've missed 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.359 on some of these guys, these guys that have unique 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.480 back stories on the defensive line. I mean it's not 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.960 it's not always cut and dry here. You're taking a 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.000 little bit of a risk um with Karl Loftus and 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:50.800 what he's going to be able to provide at the 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.680 next level. Certainly, you were the first one to point 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.440 out to me last year at Purdue. Once the adjustments 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.600 were made, then his production kind of depth a little bit, 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.600 once teams started ice sewing on him a little bit. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.560 But what do we always talk about. We talked about 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.080 when you're at the end of the first round, you 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.879 are looking for eight to ten year NFL football players 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.680 with a Pro Bowl type ceiling, but maybe not guaranteed. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.960 Karl Offtis checks that box for me, because as much 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.960 as you want Preston Smith to play of the snaps 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.199 and as much as I thought Russian Gary last year 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.439 showed that he can handle a full starting complement of reps, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.000 they need someone to bround out that rotation. Yeah, and 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.040 Karl loftis the first report I read on him. I 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.520 wish I could remember who did it, because it was 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.440 a great scouting report. They drew the comparison to Ryan 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.440 care again, and I see that in him. You wish 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.159 he was just maybe an inch or two taller. You 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.320 wish he had maybe a year or two more experience 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.280 on a playing defense. You know, he's a guy that 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.840 came over with his mom, his dad passes away, um 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.480 and and starts playing football at a late age. But 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.720 my goodness, when you turn on the film of him 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.800 at Purdue, and you and I even talked about it, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.360 how often has there been an elite Perdue edge rusher 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.400 that we can recall there? There haven't been a lot 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.000 of them. There's just some much to like about the kid, 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.080 and the Packers do have indeed there at edge rushing 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.560