Speaker 1: So I don't feel like understanding that LUV is gonna work.
Speaker 1: And when you use my acronym, okay, you just see
Speaker 1: you said it is you, Oh LUV. I don't see that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna play that. We're gonna play it
Speaker 1: back for you. We can play it back so you
Speaker 1: can hear the tone with what you said. I was
Speaker 1: kind enough to come and see this is why it
Speaker 1: don't work. This right here, it's why it don't work.
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? I'm Gammy and this is positively gam
Speaker 1: Every week I try to have raw and in depth
Speaker 1: conversation with inspirational people pushing for change on everything from aging, relationships, politics, wellness,
Speaker 1: to the current issues facing the black community. And in
Speaker 1: the episode we're going to be discussing living your overall
Speaker 1: life with compassion and joining me on the podcast today
Speaker 1: to help break this all down is someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: need an introduction. My son in law, Will Smith, thank
Speaker 1: you well for joining me today. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: have you. I wanted to have you on to talk
Speaker 1: about this really because once again, our conversations always start
Speaker 1: out in the kitchen. There something about the kitchen that
Speaker 1: just gets us going. And I want to just mention
Speaker 1: too that, particularly yesterday, I walked into the kitchen and
Speaker 1: you were having a conversation with Willow and she was
Speaker 1: very emotional. But what I love about you guys, is
Speaker 1: that Willow and all of your children they Kitnessie. I'm
Speaker 1: getting tearry because I need to. I'm not crying though,
Speaker 1: but my eyes are just warring. I have allergies. They
Speaker 1: can your kids can come to either one of you.
Speaker 1: There is a freedom and an honesty and a safety
Speaker 1: that they feel able to come to you or come
Speaker 1: to Jada with whatever is going on with them. And
Speaker 1: I never had that. Jada never had that. And the
Speaker 1: fact that you are able to to share that open
Speaker 1: communication with your with all of your children is so important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was wanted. The the things that Jada and I
Speaker 1: agreed on really early in parenting is that we wanted
Speaker 1: our kids to be free thinkers, and we wanted them
Speaker 1: to be i'd open, to be comfortable being who they are.
Speaker 1: And as a part of that, what we adopted was
Speaker 1: a no punishment rule any time they tell the truth.
Speaker 1: And we established with them very early and we had
Speaker 1: the circle of safety where the circle of safety and
Speaker 1: in the circle of safety. The rule was, you can
Speaker 1: say absolutely anything you've done, anything you've said, anything that's happened.
Speaker 1: You can tell us anything in the circle of safety,
Speaker 1: and when you say it in the circle of safety,
Speaker 1: you're exempt from punishment. Right if, however, you call a
Speaker 1: circle of safety and there's a circle of safety, and
Speaker 1: you withhold the truth in the circle of safety and
Speaker 1: we find out later, then now you're able to be punished.
Speaker 1: And that rule was really powerful for the kids young.
Speaker 1: They just got used to sharing their truth, saying what
Speaker 1: is what was true, and what was deeply going on inside,
Speaker 1: and we cultivated that at four years old. Five years old,
Speaker 1: and I had to hear some things that I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear, and Willow tapped me out of a
Speaker 1: couple of circumcisions like, yeah, you know, I think you
Speaker 1: should just only do that. But the having contact with
Speaker 1: someone's truth and creating a space where someone can share
Speaker 1: the depth of their ugly truth is the only way
Speaker 1: you can really have a relationship. Nobody's perfect. We are
Speaker 1: all struggling, we are all having a hard time, we
Speaker 1: are all a mess. Understanding is the basis for love. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's get right to that then understanding and living
Speaker 1: life with compassion. I feel like I certainly understand being
Speaker 1: able to put that into practice with someone that that
Speaker 1: I love and care about. I haven't done it all
Speaker 1: the time. And actually that's really been an area that
Speaker 1: I realized that I haven't been living my life compassionately
Speaker 1: showing compassion to ones that I love. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to start out talking about living compassionately
Speaker 1: showing compassion to ones you love or with ones that
Speaker 1: you may be in conflict with the basic concept. And
Speaker 1: when we had this conversation a couple of months ago
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, Yeah, that's where we're all our family
Speaker 1: discussions kick off in that kitchen. So it was just
Speaker 1: after quarantine had begun and the George Floyd's situation. Yes,
Speaker 1: and when the George what situation happened? I had a
Speaker 1: strange and powerful life changing reaction to that. I looked
Speaker 1: at it and I felt I was going to be called.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was gonna have to lend my
Speaker 1: voice to the situation, to the struggle. And I remember
Speaker 1: it was you, Willow and Jada in the kitchen, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I said, guys, I know, you
Speaker 1: know how I'm gonna help and how I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a part of creating harmony between people and these
Speaker 1: difficult situations. And what we were talking about the idea
Speaker 1: of love love is l u V Listen, Understand what
Speaker 1: the other person is saying and validate the parts of
Speaker 1: it that you know are true. Listen, understand, validate, Right?
Speaker 1: Can you understand what the other person is saying? Not
Speaker 1: even agreements. I'm not thinking about agree And you don't
Speaker 1: have to agree, You just have to listen. You have
Speaker 1: to just understand what they're saying. You don't have to
Speaker 1: think it's true for you. I think that's the problem
Speaker 1: because you almost feel like understanding is agreeing, right, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's really not. You just want to understand. And in
Speaker 1: terms of that, we started with talking about the kids.
Speaker 1: How can I parent if I don't have an intimate
Speaker 1: comprehension of what's going on with you, If I don't
Speaker 1: know all of the things that you're thinking and all
Speaker 1: of the things that you're feeling. Putting aside that I'm
Speaker 1: scared that you have a friend that's doing drugs and
Speaker 1: you're interested in you want to try it, right, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how my parents did and how I did
Speaker 1: that was there's no real consideration with who the child
Speaker 1: is and what they're going through. That was what happened
Speaker 1: with me, and I'm pretty sure that's how I parented Jada.
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm so sometimes I'm just in awe of
Speaker 1: her that she survived me. I really really, she's surviving
Speaker 1: and thriving. Okay, but anyway, go ahead, we digress. But
Speaker 1: the concept, if you think about it, even in terms
Speaker 1: of lawyers and her, Barack Obama say one time, and
Speaker 1: it was such a brilliant idea, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: if someone's defense attorney, you don't need to prepare a defense,
Speaker 1: You prepare the prosecution. You figure out intimately what the
Speaker 1: prosecution is going to say, and then you prepare your
Speaker 1: defense based on that concept. And I kept seeing this
Speaker 1: idea over and over about understanding being the predecessor of harmony,
Speaker 1: understand ending being the predecessor of love. So for me
Speaker 1: as an actor, it's an easy thing. I get used
Speaker 1: to learning how to put aside what I think to
Speaker 1: understand a character. Right. So it's a simple thing. I
Speaker 1: get a script and the character is the most vile despicable, human, imaginable.
Speaker 1: But I released my judgment of that because as an actor,
Speaker 1: I just want to understand what makes them tick. And
Speaker 1: it's a skill set that I firmly believe is the
Speaker 1: single most valuable human interactive skill set. Can you put
Speaker 1: aside what you think and you feel long enough to
Speaker 1: understand what the other person? That really is a challenge.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's easier said than done. That's really
Speaker 1: hard to do, and then put emotion on top of it. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Jada is the one person on earth that I've been
Speaker 1: most successful with being able to navigate difficult, painful situations
Speaker 1: strictly trying to understand what she thinks and feels. Is
Speaker 1: there a process that you go through the love theory
Speaker 1: that the love theory, listen, understand, and then validate the
Speaker 1: parts of it that you think are true. So talk
Speaker 1: to me about the V part, the V part. So
Speaker 1: the idea of black lives matter? Okay, So from my
Speaker 1: point of view, black lives matter is really freaking simple.
Speaker 1: So you'd say, what the hell is the conflict with
Speaker 1: Black Lives matter? Is the discussion? What is the debate?
Speaker 1: What's the offense? And I found myself in that place,
Speaker 1: and then I said, okay, pause, now let me use
Speaker 1: my own series. And I had an associate on the
Speaker 1: set that was a serious uh trumper, and that just
Speaker 1: puts puts my hair up. So I was saying to myself, Okay, here,
Speaker 1: I need to practice what I'm trying to preach. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to listen because that can even feel impossible.
Speaker 1: And so I said, so, what's so offensive to you
Speaker 1: about the idea that black lives matter? Right? He said,
Speaker 1: everybody knows that black lives matter. Okay. Now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm all right, Like I can't get best the like
Speaker 1: because you want to say, we wouldn't have to say
Speaker 1: it if every everybody knew. But I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not a part of my theory. I have to listen,
Speaker 1: and I have to listen, and I have to understand
Speaker 1: what's going on, and then I have to validate the
Speaker 1: parts of it that are true. So I said, so,
Speaker 1: what you're saying is there's some insult. It's like someone
Speaker 1: saying something to you that you already know. So you
Speaker 1: find insult because in order for someone to say to
Speaker 1: you that black lives matter, there's the assumption that you
Speaker 1: think they don't, and he said, yeah, absolutely said, why
Speaker 1: are you saying it to me? Why are you looking
Speaker 1: at me when you say black lives matter? Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to and I'm razing, and I'm i'm and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, But what we ultimately guys see look
Speaker 1: at you, folding your arms everything you already But that's
Speaker 1: what I realized. What became the problem is we actually
Speaker 1: don't want to understand in each other. We don't give
Speaker 1: a damn about understanding each other. We want you gotta
Speaker 1: understand me. And one of the laws of the seven
Speaker 1: habits of highly effective people is seek first to understand
Speaker 1: before seeking to be understood. And as a principle, it's
Speaker 1: such a valuable principle. But when that emotion riles up,
Speaker 1: it's such a difficult thing to rustle down. But what
Speaker 1: I did is I rustled down with this guy and
Speaker 1: I said, okay. And what we got to is he
Speaker 1: felt insulted when someone said it to him. He didn't
Speaker 1: disagree with the idea overall, but he felt attacked by
Speaker 1: people directing it at him. Why are you saying it
Speaker 1: to me? Like? Why are you in it up in
Speaker 1: front of my house? And within it. He felt that
Speaker 1: he was being called racist by the phrase being directed
Speaker 1: at him, and I could relate to that. I didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily agree. There was a certain amount of false perception
Speaker 1: that he was living with. He just didn't have the
Speaker 1: experiences that I had. He didn't grow up the way
Speaker 1: that I grew up. He didn't have the relationship with
Speaker 1: police that I had. He actually had the opposite reaction.
Speaker 1: How could he possibly know what was going on with me?
Speaker 1: But in the process, what I found is when he
Speaker 1: saw that I wasn't going to attack him, When he
Speaker 1: saw that, I legitimately wanted to understand. After he felt validated,
Speaker 1: I listened, I understood what he was saying. I repeated
Speaker 1: back to him what I heard that was the validation.
Speaker 1: That was the validation. I repeated that is, I get that.
Speaker 1: I understand how you, not being racist can feel attacked
Speaker 1: and assaulted by someone painting you with the blanket brush
Speaker 1: of racism without even knowing you're just white, so you're racist.
Speaker 1: In the story, in his mind, he wasn't a Trumpster
Speaker 1: because he was racist. He didn't think of himself as
Speaker 1: a racist. The fact that I thought of him as
Speaker 1: a racist was offensive to him, So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I get that. I can see how
Speaker 1: my assumption that that flag and your political affiliation, I
Speaker 1: get how that could be offensive. That I am assuming
Speaker 1: that you're a certain kind of person. I get that.
Speaker 1: I understand that it's not my intention to paint you
Speaker 1: with that brush without actually knowing who you are. I
Speaker 1: can see how that could be offensive. But what happened
Speaker 1: is we got to that point. Then he was open
Speaker 1: to hear some of my experiences without me listening, understanding
Speaker 1: what he was saying, validating the parts of it that
Speaker 1: I believe are true. He would have never even been
Speaker 1: open to hear my experience. So the process of understanding,
Speaker 1: the process of listening, understanding, and validating is how you
Speaker 1: open people to hear your side of the story. But
Speaker 1: what was his response when you shared your experience? Did
Speaker 1: you feel like he had the same understanding the way
Speaker 1: you understood him. Do you think that he in turn
Speaker 1: was able to listen and understand your I felt like
Speaker 1: he he heard me clearly. I felt like he believed me,
Speaker 1: but he didn't have the emotional experience, like he didn't
Speaker 1: experience that. But we had created an environment where we
Speaker 1: didn't argue and fight and ultimately separate in a disharmonious position.
Speaker 1: We were able to go back to work in a
Speaker 1: way that at a minimum, we were both opened up
Speaker 1: to the possibility of deeper understanding, which to me, evolving
Speaker 1: our understanding and evolving our perceptions, evolving our consciousness is
Speaker 1: all we're trying to do, and it's really difficult to
Speaker 1: do that by punching people in the phase. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get that, and listen, I know how to fight, right,
Speaker 1: so if it if it go down, I like my
Speaker 1: chances against most people. I just learned that you really
Speaker 1: can't create peace with Hey, you like, you can't create
Speaker 1: peace with violence. And as as difficult as it is
Speaker 1: to open up our hearts and try to find the
Speaker 1: humanity in the other person, that person is suffering. That
Speaker 1: person is struggling in the same ways that you are.
Speaker 1: That person as family members that are dying, that person
Speaker 1: has all of the same stuff you're going through. You
Speaker 1: gotta admit, though, that when we are in the atmosphere
Speaker 1: that is running rampant through the nation right now, that
Speaker 1: it's extremely difficult, extremely difficult to have to try to
Speaker 1: stop and have understanding. Yes, it was extremely difficult. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I personally don't see another option. The other option is
Speaker 1: a deterioration into full civil war, full race war. We're
Speaker 1: on the cusp of a room and in our country,
Speaker 1: and I I'm trying to not make it political. I
Speaker 1: wanted it because to me, this is not a political
Speaker 1: situation as much as it's a spiritual and emotional situation.
Speaker 1: I love the phrase hate the sin, not the center.
Speaker 1: It's the power of non violent resistance. That's what the
Speaker 1: power is of non violent resistance, right That's what's the
Speaker 1: beauty of what we've been seeing in the majority of
Speaker 1: non violent protest as the non violent part of it
Speaker 1: is what leaves the opening as soon as it deteriorates
Speaker 1: into violence and everybody gets scared. Now there's people are
Speaker 1: you either fight or you separate. But we've seen this
Speaker 1: for years and over and over again. We've seen how
Speaker 1: the non violent protesters get then get attacked with violence.
Speaker 1: And so I understand the concept, and I understand the
Speaker 1: need for it. It just seems so unattainable right now.
Speaker 1: So for me, as far as being unattainable, I realized
Speaker 1: that I have to do my part. One of the
Speaker 1: first things I started doing is going through my own life,
Speaker 1: because I was like, I can't be a hypocrite going
Speaker 1: out in the street talking about this. And then I
Speaker 1: had a situation where I hadn't spoken to Janet Hubert
Speaker 1: in twenty seven years. So for me, that was one
Speaker 1: of the first things in cleansing my heart, looking at
Speaker 1: my life and where I had personal intimate situations where
Speaker 1: I wasn't practicing loving kindness, and that was one of
Speaker 1: the things, the first things that when I went and
Speaker 1: sat down with Janet Hubert, and it was so beautiful
Speaker 1: and it was so cleansing, and one of the first
Speaker 1: things I said to her was, I don't know your story.
Speaker 1: I was living a completely different story when we were
Speaker 1: arguing and fighting. And I opened it with, please tell
Speaker 1: me your story. Please tell me what you were experiencing.
Speaker 1: And that was the listening. That was the listening part.
Speaker 1: And then as she talked, then I understood the pain
Speaker 1: and I understood the suffering and even the parts of
Speaker 1: it that I had caused unconsciously. And then I've validated
Speaker 1: the that you know what I can see where that
Speaker 1: was excruciating and I'm sorry to have been a part
Speaker 1: of that kind of pain in your life. That's not
Speaker 1: my intention. It's not who I need, not who I
Speaker 1: want to be, and that's not the kind of person
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to be in this world. I know
Speaker 1: that I actually talked to you about this and another
Speaker 1: kit conversation that, interestingly enough, keeps leading us back to
Speaker 1: or keeps leading me back to um trying to live
Speaker 1: my life more compassionately. I had a horrible situation that
Speaker 1: happened with myself and someone who I care for deeply,
Speaker 1: and I said some really hurtful things to that person.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in the position that I potentially have done
Speaker 1: irreparable damage to this relationship. But what it always brings
Speaker 1: me back to is me. Absolutely, it always brings me
Speaker 1: back to me because the one I'm the only person
Speaker 1: that I can change, and I'm the one who needs
Speaker 1: to be to want to change. I'm the one that
Speaker 1: I have to concentrate on and just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how do I live life in a compassionate way.
Speaker 1: I had some deep conversation with Jada and then I
Speaker 1: did I watch you guys, and I see what you
Speaker 1: guys do, and I did the same thing because Jada
Speaker 1: does it too. She'll cut herself off and be with
Speaker 1: herself and get into study and listening and reading. And
Speaker 1: I did that. I came home that weekend and I
Speaker 1: just started getting into some spiritual work, some meditation, which
Speaker 1: is very difficult for me, meditation very difficult, but really
Speaker 1: listening to some spiritual guides and and I realized was
Speaker 1: that I number one and not living mindfully. There's so
Speaker 1: much going on in my life all this My phone
Speaker 1: is in my hand all the time, like I'm not
Speaker 1: even paying attention to what is going on around me,
Speaker 1: how people are feeling, what people are going through. I'm
Speaker 1: just running my mouth. It's just coming out of my
Speaker 1: mouth that I'm not even paying attention to the circumstances,
Speaker 1: what the person may be going through. I'm all up
Speaker 1: in my head with my judgments and the way I think.
Speaker 1: So that's the same thing when we talk about attack
Speaker 1: and defense. Right when you're out, it's all outflow. Everything
Speaker 1: is outflow. Everything is about what you want, and everything
Speaker 1: is about satiating and gratifying your needs. So that, in
Speaker 1: a sense, is a gentle form of the concept of
Speaker 1: attack and defen I want X, so I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get it. And if you're in the way, you are
Speaker 1: an obstacle, and if you're doing something, then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: defend myself against you trying to prevent me from having
Speaker 1: what I want. So the what I'm advocating for in
Speaker 1: that process of pausing for a minute is to just
Speaker 1: pay attention. Yeah, I think that's what I'm missing a
Speaker 1: lot of times. Can you just be still for a minute,
Speaker 1: as simple as think before you speak. It's not that
Speaker 1: before you speak. I want to go back to something
Speaker 1: you said that relationship being irreparable. I used to believe that.
Speaker 1: I no longer believe that any relationship is irreparable. As
Speaker 1: long as both people are still alive, I don't believe
Speaker 1: that the relationship is irreparable. I believe that people are
Speaker 1: craving loving kindness so bad, people are starving so hard
Speaker 1: for just gentle care right that when properly applied to
Speaker 1: even the most degraded minds, I believe that loving kindness
Speaker 1: has a magical effect when you are authentically have a
Speaker 1: deep concern for someone's well being, if you can create
Speaker 1: the environment that's common enough for that to get communicated,
Speaker 1: I don't there's very few minds that can resist pure,
Speaker 1: genuine care and concern for their well being, right, But
Speaker 1: in understanding that, I too recognize that I decided that
Speaker 1: I could not make that my focus. I couldn't make
Speaker 1: repairing the relationship the focus. It's not really about because
Speaker 1: unfortunately she was in the path of my chaos, and
Speaker 1: it's I'm unfortunate that she got hurt as a result.
Speaker 1: But what it did do was, like I said, put
Speaker 1: the focus on me. So I feel like I have
Speaker 1: to do the work on me, and then when I
Speaker 1: do come back into her life, I will come back differently.
Speaker 1: But I think initially I was just worried about Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want her to feel like I'm just being phony,
Speaker 1: that I'm not being real, that I'm not being honest
Speaker 1: with my with my intent, And so I had to
Speaker 1: put all of that aside and just continue to do
Speaker 1: the work that I need to do on myself and
Speaker 1: just pray that when the time is right, the relationship
Speaker 1: will heal. Over time, when we heal ourselves all of
Speaker 1: our relationships. Hell, yeah, that makes sense to me, So
Speaker 1: we cleansing our own internal poisons, I think is a
Speaker 1: big part of being able to create harmonious relationships. And
Speaker 1: as I look at the world, right now, and this
Speaker 1: there's such a major fight for correcting systems, and we're
Speaker 1: fighting so hard to correct systems, and I'm like, the
Speaker 1: problems in the hearts and minds of Americans, I know
Speaker 1: that's that's we don't we can't wait for that. We
Speaker 1: absolutely can't wait for that. We have to be able
Speaker 1: to change the systems that are in place right now.
Speaker 1: It's like with the concept of interacting with police officers.
Speaker 1: And I did a ride along with l A. P D.
Speaker 1: And I sat in the back of a police car
Speaker 1: and I ducked down and I wrote around in a
Speaker 1: police car and self Los Angeles for six hours. And
Speaker 1: the problems are beyond anything that most of us could
Speaker 1: even imagine. The the level of psychological and mental abuse
Speaker 1: on both sides renders the situations deeply volatile and almost
Speaker 1: unworkable without a new skill set. Like there is an
Speaker 1: educational process. There is a massive change that needs to
Speaker 1: needs to occur, But a big part of the change
Speaker 1: is in the hearts and the mind of people. And
Speaker 1: which do you think is going to be easier. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the evolution of human beings right and where
Speaker 1: it comes. I'm just saying, when it really came back
Speaker 1: to from me when I looked at at the situation
Speaker 1: and when I finally realized I just had to do
Speaker 1: my part, and all I could do is I had
Speaker 1: to create a situation in my home. I had to
Speaker 1: solve all of the issues in my home, and I
Speaker 1: had to build myself and I had to become Oh,
Speaker 1: it was a great thing we were talking about with
Speaker 1: the I think we talked about it before with the Buddha.
Speaker 1: Was was was he said, Um, great, people have to wake
Speaker 1: up every day and empty the ocean with a ladle, right,
Speaker 1: and speaking of the ocean of misery that people are experiencing,
Speaker 1: and you just wake up every day and you take
Speaker 1: your little ladle out to the ocean and you just
Speaker 1: try to scoop as much misery out as you possibly can.
Speaker 1: And that one really hit me because that's what it
Speaker 1: feels like sometimes and just in your own household, like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: when you look out into the world and I want
Speaker 1: to be a light, I want to be a positive
Speaker 1: force for goodness and love, and I want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the solution. But sometimes it can be
Speaker 1: painful and overwhelming. I think sometimes I don't give myself
Speaker 1: any credit when I just even look back on my
Speaker 1: relationship with Rodney. Rodney is my husband to the audience.
Speaker 1: We have done some real work. Relationships take work, and
Speaker 1: you have take the decision about whether it's worth it
Speaker 1: for you or not. And and when you're talking about
Speaker 1: being able to listen and understand the other person's point
Speaker 1: of view, Rodney is probably better at it, but I
Speaker 1: am getting better with that, and I think that is
Speaker 1: the basis of why our relationship works so well, because
Speaker 1: he does listen and he does try to understand, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do the same. It's got to be
Speaker 1: a given take in that. Once again, we come back
Speaker 1: to you are the only person that you can change. Gandhi,
Speaker 1: be the change you want to see. Ye be the
Speaker 1: change you want to see. Ye do unto others as
Speaker 1: you would have them do until it's not really more
Speaker 1: complicated than it really isn't All the spiritual practices basically
Speaker 1: are saying the same thing, read that stuff all day long.
Speaker 1: If you're not going to truly try to incorporate them
Speaker 1: in your life and live differently, then the results are
Speaker 1: going to be the same. And it is extremely difficult
Speaker 1: because it's not the ideas that are in the foundations
Speaker 1: of our everyday interactions that we are actually functioning. And
Speaker 1: at the core of the establishment of of our country
Speaker 1: was the concept of attacking defense, you know, and what
Speaker 1: we're what we're really trying to do, and this time
Speaker 1: and this next generation that there's an evolution, there's there's
Speaker 1: an evolution in consciousness and perception that's trying to happen
Speaker 1: right now. And when I look at these times, as
Speaker 1: difficult as they are, and as dark as they feel,
Speaker 1: and as dangerous as they are, what's really happening is
Speaker 1: the problems are coming to the surface in a way
Speaker 1: that we can deal with them. So as much as
Speaker 1: it feels backwards and as scary as the times are,
Speaker 1: this is the pain of us having to cleanse our country.
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be a huge Yeah, it's a huge
Speaker 1: opportunity if we take advantage of it. Yes, And that's
Speaker 1: the part that I feel that I'm called to be
Speaker 1: a part of the solution for Black America. We've never
Speaker 1: been here before. The entire world has acknowledged our plight.
Speaker 1: And even as going back to the listen, understand, validate,
Speaker 1: we couldn't even get people to listen for for hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of years listening, and they're understanding, and they're
Speaker 1: validating it as true, and we're in a new place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an absolute necessity to sustain, to maintain and to
Speaker 1: elevate the new position that we are in the world.
Speaker 1: African Americans traveled the world for years trying to get
Speaker 1: support for the plight of African American citizens, and now,
Speaker 1: for the first time in history, the world has acknowledged
Speaker 1: protests in Japan, in Italy and France. We are in
Speaker 1: a position of opportunity that we've never been in before
Speaker 1: in this country. And the question is will we make
Speaker 1: the shift in consciousness that solidifies the position? And I
Speaker 1: just I want to be a part of that. I believe,
Speaker 1: really firmly that a deeper, intimate comprehension of our fellow
Speaker 1: citizens is and will be at the center of being
Speaker 1: able to capitalize and grow the new perception that we're
Speaker 1: seen in globally. Okay, moving on to our segment, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you like to know where you answer three rapid fire
Speaker 1: questions with the first phrase that comes to your mind.
Speaker 1: My first question to you is what book are you
Speaker 1: reading right now? I'm usually reading two or three at
Speaker 1: one time. So there's I just discovered. Uh it's called
Speaker 1: Spiritual Warriors two by a guy named Buckty here at
Speaker 1: the Swami and it's he's talking about transitioning from lust
Speaker 1: to love, and it's not specifically less. He's talking about
Speaker 1: lust for in the broadest term, lust for money, lust
Speaker 1: for fame, lust for sex, and how you transition from
Speaker 1: lust to love. And his theory is that all of
Speaker 1: the situations that you come in contact with in the
Speaker 1: world is the school of love. So everything that you're
Speaker 1: presented with is your opportunity to practice learning how to
Speaker 1: be loving and kind in that situation. So it's really
Speaker 1: it's it's called Spiritual Warriors two. Okay, cool, alright, what's
Speaker 1: a model that you live by? It's funny, that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: So in the last few years, I have shifted my
Speaker 1: motto I used to live by during my rise as
Speaker 1: an actor. I used to live by is the same
Speaker 1: as zero and I have yes, and I've I've realized
Speaker 1: the gentle insanity of that, you know, I grow that
Speaker 1: that was my father was military and all that, and
Speaker 1: I lived by that for a long time and I
Speaker 1: saw the scorched earth I left in my personal life
Speaker 1: with that one. And the new motto really similar to
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about. The new motto that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to live by is everybody is suffering, so help them. Wow.
Speaker 1: And it's so simple and but let me ask you
Speaker 1: do you feel like? And see I'm getting based on
Speaker 1: a whole new converence. Whenever I'm talking to you, always
Speaker 1: leave the back end of my day open for two reasons.
Speaker 1: One we might keep talking to the second reason, you
Speaker 1: might piss me off so bad. I just need some
Speaker 1: time by myself. Never forgot my questions. Oh yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're spending so much, if that's your model, are you
Speaker 1: taking away from your from focus on yourself by focusing
Speaker 1: so much on other people? Trying to help other people
Speaker 1: so much that you're distracted from your own work. So
Speaker 1: I've been I've been working a lot with Ja Shetty
Speaker 1: for the past a few months. I've been studying the
Speaker 1: guitar and Hinduism, and the basic idea is the first
Speaker 1: half of your day is for you and the second
Speaker 1: half of your day is for others. I've been really
Speaker 1: working too structure my days. I've been waking up really
Speaker 1: early so I can have time. For me, I'm usually
Speaker 1: up early anyway, but usually from I'm awake from four
Speaker 1: am to six am, and that's my me time. And
Speaker 1: then when I go out into the world, I try
Speaker 1: to apply my motto and it's with my family, and
Speaker 1: it's with my friends, and it's with my work associates,
Speaker 1: and it's you have to be as close to half
Speaker 1: as you possibly can. Half your waking hours or for you,
Speaker 1: half your waking hours are for others. Yeah, And something
Speaker 1: that I have to say that I've noticed, I don't
Speaker 1: know how long it's been, maybe the past a couple
Speaker 1: of months, maybe since COVID hit, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you seem to be very in tune to people's energy.
Speaker 1: How they enter a room, may be the expression on
Speaker 1: their face. And I find that very intuitive because but
Speaker 1: that's also part of being able to being mindful, just
Speaker 1: being attuned and in tune with what's going on with
Speaker 1: everybody around you. And for me, it was probably eight
Speaker 1: years ago, was when I got to the point where
Speaker 1: I had everything that I had ever set out to
Speaker 1: have in the material world. I've built everything that I want.
Speaker 1: I've been to the top of the mountain of the
Speaker 1: material world. I've made as much money as I wanted
Speaker 1: to make, had as much sex as I wanted to have,
Speaker 1: I've had as much fame I've done. I have exhausted
Speaker 1: the material world, and it still didn't leave me happy.
Speaker 1: And I just was starting to be deeply unfulfilled by stuff.
Speaker 1: That's really important that you say that, because people believe
Speaker 1: that money is the key to everything, and it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there's there's no external material circumstance that can quench
Speaker 1: that thirst you're trying to quench on the inside. And
Speaker 1: right now is the most happy and fulfilled that I've
Speaker 1: ever been in my life. And a big part of
Speaker 1: that for me is the recognition that I am a
Speaker 1: servant m hm. So you walk in the room in
Speaker 1: the morning, and it's my divine job to make sure
Speaker 1: you're okay, and I'm going to help in whatever way
Speaker 1: that I can possibly help. And some things I may
Speaker 1: not be blessed with what it is that you need.
Speaker 1: Then I'll all somebody else and I'll try to help.
Speaker 1: But my deepest pleasure is helping people find fulfillment. And
Speaker 1: for the most part, most people are living in a
Speaker 1: deep mental anguish, So is you're just doing triage, you know,
Speaker 1: and then beyond that, when you can get the condition elevated,
Speaker 1: then there's new ideas and new wisdom, and there's the
Speaker 1: uprooting of some of the ideas that are causing the pain.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that's the the hard part for
Speaker 1: people to realize that most of the pain you're experiencing,
Speaker 1: you're actually causing. Yeah, you know there's some portion of it.
Speaker 1: You gotta let go of ideas that cause you suffering.
Speaker 1: Last question, one thing you want to get off your chest.
Speaker 1: I want to see people being able to recognize the
Speaker 1: humanity of your enemy. I want people to be able
Speaker 1: to recognize and to see bad behavior as a recognition
Speaker 1: that a person has been unloved and uncared for. They're
Speaker 1: behaving badly because they've been treated badly. When you look
Speaker 1: at someone who felt loved and felt cared for and
Speaker 1: felt nurtured, they don't act like Donald Trump. You only
Speaker 1: act like that if you've been abused. How will us
Speaker 1: recognizing that though in our oppressors going to help us
Speaker 1: change what's going on in the nation. Though right now
Speaker 1: I totally get that, I really do. I just feel
Speaker 1: like the change that you want to see is gonna
Speaker 1: be such a slow process. I just don't see. And
Speaker 1: this situation that we're in right now is immediate, like
Speaker 1: change needs to happen now. So I don't feel like
Speaker 1: understanding that LUV is gonna work and that when you
Speaker 1: use my acronym. Okay, you just so you said, is
Speaker 1: that you that, oh LUV. I don't see. I didn't
Speaker 1: put on that. We're gonna play that. We're gonna play
Speaker 1: it back for you. We can play it back so
Speaker 1: you can hear the tone with what you said. I
Speaker 1: was kind enough to come and say, this is why
Speaker 1: it don't work. This right here, it's why it don't work.
Speaker 1: But okay, okay, so to me, to me, let's put it.
Speaker 1: Put it simply, it's like surrender. It is surrender. And
Speaker 1: to me, that is a weakness that we can't afford
Speaker 1: right now. We just can't afford that. And I feel
Speaker 1: like we've done that. We're not fitting to do that anymore. Okay,
Speaker 1: And you went to fitting on me. We're not fitting. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about not fighting. I'm talking about adding
Speaker 1: a deeper understanding. You're fighting so you can fight better.
Speaker 1: Got it? Okay? Makes sense? Blind, We're not talking about
Speaker 1: physical fighting. People were not talking about physical fight. We're
Speaker 1: talking about creating a positive change in our country. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that makes sense, and that seems dual. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I'm saying that creating a positive change in our country
Speaker 1: is going to demand higher, more intricate understanding of our
Speaker 1: enemies and in the process of that. So Jada always
Speaker 1: hates what I say. It like this, I say, ignorance
Speaker 1: and evil are twin cousins, and she said, there's no
Speaker 1: such thing as twin cousins. I was like, I just
Speaker 1: I just like saying it. But ignorance and evil look
Speaker 1: almost identical. Accept ignorance is curable and evil is not.
Speaker 1: So when you are addressing an enemy, you just want
Speaker 1: to know if you're addressing ignorance or people, because it's
Speaker 1: two totally different approaches. The problem is they look so
Speaker 1: much alike you just want to just kill it. But
Speaker 1: like someone, I'm uncomfortable in nature when I see animals,
Speaker 1: I don't understand because I don't know what is dangerous,
Speaker 1: so I want to I'll hit anything that comes near me.
Speaker 1: And I just think that there's a higher level of
Speaker 1: interacting with the world if you can elevate your perception
Speaker 1: if you can elevate your understanding of the people in
Speaker 1: the situations that are in front of you. And it's
Speaker 1: something I've personally had success with, and I know it
Speaker 1: don't sound right on a podcast, but I'm I'm definitely
Speaker 1: going to develop this concept and figure out how to
Speaker 1: be in the world helping people to cultivate higher understanding
Speaker 1: of each other's humanity and that in turn will help
Speaker 1: us treat one another better. So I believe deeply from
Speaker 1: personal experience that the moment where you legitimately put aside
Speaker 1: what you want, what you think, and what you feel
Speaker 1: and open yourself to a deeper comprehension of what's going
Speaker 1: on with the other person and just put it and
Speaker 1: you're you're not giving it up forever. You just put
Speaker 1: it aside long enough to uproot your false conclusions. Because
Speaker 1: that's the problem. We all have these false conclusions that
Speaker 1: are masquerading as understanding. Right, So I need you to
Speaker 1: be able to go to the White House in the
Speaker 1: Senate and have this conversation. Right, You're just gonna that there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna end that there. You guys don't know, but
Speaker 1: I'm always pulling Will and Jada into these long, deep
Speaker 1: conversations in the kitchen, because this is where I get
Speaker 1: information and understanding, and this is I get the sounding
Speaker 1: board that I never had when I was young. And really,
Speaker 1: in so many, so many times, you guys have saved
Speaker 1: me from disaster. I'd like to do I just I
Speaker 1: want to say that cultivating a legitimate, authentic care and
Speaker 1: concern for everybody's well being is magical. Yea. And things
Speaker 1: that may seem like they'll take forever, I think we'd
Speaker 1: be surprised how quickly things can change when you hold
Speaker 1: your heart in a space of loving openness to the
Speaker 1: fact that there's a human being across the table from you,
Speaker 1: there's a human being walking up to your car, there's
Speaker 1: a human and being in the restaurant. Like being open
Speaker 1: to the idea that everybody, every single person you walk past,
Speaker 1: is suffering. Everybody's having a hard time. Everybody is going through,
Speaker 1: if not identical, very similar pains and problems and difficulties
Speaker 1: that you're going through everybody. You're not going to walk
Speaker 1: past a single person today who's not having a hard time.
Speaker 1: And when you can just open to that humanity, just briefly,
Speaker 1: you can get a little bit past the bad behavior
Speaker 1: that you might be coming in contact with that person.
Speaker 1: The bad behavior is always a reflection of their suffering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this is part of my issue, is how
Speaker 1: can our understanding keep our opponents from hurting and killing us? Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is the Gandhi Martin Luther King belief system
Speaker 1: that is excruciating, and you have to believe that your
Speaker 1: non violence and your loving kindness will ultimately penetrate their hearts.
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King. The whole point of nonviolence, the whole
Speaker 1: point of what he was saying, the whole point of
Speaker 1: the spiritual belief system was when you see yourself on
Speaker 1: television sicking dogs on unarmed people, your heart will be transformed.
Speaker 1: And that is the magical belief system of non violence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's the problem. It feels very magical because it's
Speaker 1: not what's happening, and it's not what we're experiencing. Because
Speaker 1: now we're right back here again. That happened all the
Speaker 1: way back in the sixties, and now we're right back
Speaker 1: here again, and the non violence has is continuously being
Speaker 1: met with violence. Absolutely so. So I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: there's no time to punch somebody in their face. There
Speaker 1: absolutely is a time to bust somebody in their face.
Speaker 1: It's just not every time you're confronted with an issue.
Speaker 1: And I'm only suggesting that individually and collectively we continue
Speaker 1: to elevate the precision of our process options to know
Speaker 1: which moment is which I fear you. But for me,
Speaker 1: it just feels like, here we go again. We're always
Speaker 1: the one having to surrender. It's always the black people,
Speaker 1: us as black people having to surrender two the viciousness
Speaker 1: known as racism as and it just seems, uh, it's frustrating.
Speaker 1: It is wildly and promise you that I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that I haven't run into a Karen. I promise you
Speaker 1: it will not go well. All right, So there's to me,
Speaker 1: there's different things, right. So it's one thing when you're
Speaker 1: in physical danger. So when you're in physical danger, through
Speaker 1: whatever you have to do. If someone is physically threatening,
Speaker 1: you do whatever you have to do. But let me, Harris,
Speaker 1: you just mad if you're just slipping this woman in
Speaker 1: her face, that can't beat you anyway, that wasn't even
Speaker 1: gonna try to put her hands on you, I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I think that there's an educational
Speaker 1: process across the board that I want to be a
Speaker 1: part of. If anybody can be salvaged, I want to
Speaker 1: be a part of salvaging them. Yeah, because you know
Speaker 1: I'm serious. But on the other hand, you do have
Speaker 1: to allow people room to change and grow a little different.
Speaker 1: I'm asking that for myself. Yes, absolutely, do unto others
Speaker 1: as you would have them do unto you. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm basically asking people to allow me the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be better. So if I want to do that, if
Speaker 1: I want people to do that for me, I have
Speaker 1: to be willing to do that for others. Wow. That
Speaker 1: was a revelation for myself. Seriously, seriously. Exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still feel like the onus still seems to be
Speaker 1: on us, and that's kind of my issue. As a
Speaker 1: general rule, the onus of your life is always on you.
Speaker 1: The onus is on you period, in your marriage, in
Speaker 1: your family, and all of your relationships. Because you're you,
Speaker 1: the onus is always completely, totally and only on you.
Speaker 1: We couldn't possibly expect white America to fix the problem.
Speaker 1: They created it. So disagree with that. I so disagree
Speaker 1: with that. Okay, they created it. White people created the situation.
Speaker 1: It is not for black people to fix, it's for
Speaker 1: them to fix. Okay, So you're my mother in law,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna respond respectfully because I love you and
Speaker 1: I don't want Jada to not talk to me because
Speaker 1: I talked to you know, but I can't possibly disagree
Speaker 1: with that. I disagree, but let me talk. Let me talk,
Speaker 1: gam let me because that that's part of the problem
Speaker 1: with our families that you won't listen to me. All.
Speaker 1: I did a piece on put up on my Instagram
Speaker 1: about fault and responsibility. Okay, so it's not somebody's fault
Speaker 1: that there father was an abusive alcronomy. It's not their fault.
Speaker 1: But if for damn sure is their responsibility to fix
Speaker 1: it so they can put together a life for themselves.
Speaker 1: Fault and responsibility. As much as you want them to
Speaker 1: go together, they don't go together. That will. But they
Speaker 1: still have all the power. But agam, you can wish
Speaker 1: or the majority of the power. You can wish as
Speaker 1: much as you want. Nobody's going to fix it but us.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. Feel like it's I feel
Speaker 1: like it's up Yes, it's up to us to come
Speaker 1: up with the resolutions that we want, the change that
Speaker 1: we want to happen, but they still have the power
Speaker 1: to put those changes in place. Does that make sense.
Speaker 1: I just think that's a dangerous way to look at it.
Speaker 1: I just I think I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: has to do well, maybe I'm just thinking too literally
Speaker 1: from the from this perspective of law and policy and
Speaker 1: all of that, we have to vote to put the
Speaker 1: people in that we want in Well, if you have
Speaker 1: to change the the African American voting power, if we
Speaker 1: all especially on the local level, right on the local level,
Speaker 1: you can have whoever you want in charge. And it's
Speaker 1: we have to understand the system. It's that's an illusion
Speaker 1: that we don't have power. I guess, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that didn't really mean it that way. It's like we
Speaker 1: have to exercise again, and as I was talking about
Speaker 1: cultivating the under the understanding that we have to exercise
Speaker 1: the power that's right in front of us, and it's
Speaker 1: we don't even thoroughly understand how the government works. But
Speaker 1: I don't just think that's a black people issue. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to take it. There a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the world that don't understand I'm just saying it, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from a spiritual level more than
Speaker 1: from a political level. I'm looking at it spiritually and psychologically.
Speaker 1: Is you have to take full one hundred responsibility for
Speaker 1: your current situation. That's where the ultimate power is. Taking
Speaker 1: responsibility is the power. If you relinquish responsibility, is somebody
Speaker 1: else's job to fix it, you lose all your power.
Speaker 1: It has to be your personal responsibility. Two heal the world,
Speaker 1: you have to take it on personally, and so you
Speaker 1: don't feel like they have any responsible ability or any
Speaker 1: I think trying to heal what they have created. I
Speaker 1: think it's a dangerous mindset to expect the person that
Speaker 1: hurt you to fix it. Wow, I think you should
Speaker 1: fix it. I just don't agree with that. I don't
Speaker 1: see how we can leave them totally out of the equation.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying leaving them out of the equation. I'm
Speaker 1: saying fault and responsibility don't go together. I think that
Speaker 1: is a wishful way of thinking that the person who
Speaker 1: spilled the thing should clean it up. What if they say, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave it there. Well, but in your house,
Speaker 1: it's fault and responsibility and I know it's so excruciating.
Speaker 1: Things can be other people's fault. So essentially the question
Speaker 1: is the major human question is how do you manage
Speaker 1: interacting with defiled and degraded insane minds? That you're confronted
Speaker 1: with somebody who's insane, and the question is what do
Speaker 1: you do that? Yes, it's so terrible. They were they've
Speaker 1: been abused, but now they are in front of you
Speaker 1: and their mind is broken and they're dangerous, So what
Speaker 1: do you do? So there are a couple there are
Speaker 1: levels of how you managed the confrontation with a defiled mind.
Speaker 1: So you can run, you can you can just you
Speaker 1: can get away from him, right, um, you can subdue them,
Speaker 1: you can render them unable to hurt you. You can
Speaker 1: punch them in the face, you can do whatever. You
Speaker 1: can have them removed, you can have them taken away,
Speaker 1: you can have them put in jail, you can lock
Speaker 1: up the defiled mind. And then there's the magical space
Speaker 1: of transforming the mind, of transforming the heart, transforming the energy.
Speaker 1: So all of the levels have different application. Right, getting
Speaker 1: away definitely works. Subduing somebody, you bust them in their face,
Speaker 1: you knock them down, they're gonna think again. Next time
Speaker 1: you move somebody away, you have them removed. You have
Speaker 1: somebody put in jail. That can work. The least used,
Speaker 1: the most sustainable, most powerful, most magical is transforming the
Speaker 1: false perceptions of the mind. There's a skill set that
Speaker 1: go into the There's there's an artistry to transfer forming
Speaker 1: the mind, and it's the highest of all of the
Speaker 1: ways to be able to interact. We are addicted as
Speaker 1: human beings at this level of consciousness. We are addicted
Speaker 1: to subduing and imprisoning minds people ideas that we don't
Speaker 1: agree with. So we're addicted to violence in all of
Speaker 1: its forms, verbal, of psychological, physical. We are addicted to
Speaker 1: dealing with degraded minds by meeting them with brutality and abuse.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how I can take this concept
Speaker 1: and feel better when I look at a George Floyd,
Speaker 1: when I look at a Brianna Taylor, when I look
Speaker 1: at Sandra Blank Like, I don't. I just don't see
Speaker 1: that there's a resolution for myself and in that with
Speaker 1: this concept, it's just two. There's a responsibility there, and
Speaker 1: that responsibility is on the police officers who committed the crime.
Speaker 1: There's a responsibility for the systemic racism in the world,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what that's where my disconnected is,
Speaker 1: that's where my struggle is. That makes a concept just
Speaker 1: seems so esoteric, and so it doesn't it's certainly something
Speaker 1: a goal to reach for, but it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it's going to help much in getting us to a
Speaker 1: place of understanding and a place of healing as a
Speaker 1: nation right now. I just think it's too too far away.
Speaker 1: So then it just comes back to the only thing,
Speaker 1: the only thing you could do, its work on yourself,
Speaker 1: you know. But it doesn't give me a whole lot
Speaker 1: of hope. It doesn't give me a whole lot of
Speaker 1: hope when when I look at those kinds of circumstances
Speaker 1: and just in the state that the nation is in
Speaker 1: right now, where it we really are on the brink
Speaker 1: of a civil war, I feel so I guess that's
Speaker 1: that's the frustration. But I guess we could just go
Speaker 1: on and on with that and not really I think
Speaker 1: it's not something that can be resolved in exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: It's very simple. Your behavior is either loving or it's
Speaker 1: not loving. And when I look at behavior, I recognize
Speaker 1: unloving behavior as behavior that's not gonna work, and loving
Speaker 1: behavior as behavior here that will save our country. So
Speaker 1: when I look at the George Floyd situation, that is
Speaker 1: unloving behavior that sets this country on fire. It can
Speaker 1: be really simple. Let's not elect leaders that don't have
Speaker 1: love in their hearts. Loveless leaders will destroy us all.
Speaker 1: And it's really not more complicated than that. If we
Speaker 1: put people in office that don't have love in their hearts,
Speaker 1: they're going to kill us all, period and the story right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. And as connected to that, you can't demand
Speaker 1: that a leader have love in their hearts and you're
Speaker 1: not holding in yours. Yeah, thank you Will for blessing
Speaker 1: us with your words of wisdom to day and lovely
Speaker 1: having you on here. You guys can follow well on
Speaker 1: all the socials at Will Smith. And congrats on the
Speaker 1: reboot of The Freshman. Yeah that lessons. We got some
Speaker 1: thanks coming, but y'all don't even know I'm we go.
Speaker 1: That'd be a whole another podcast. All right, thank you.
Speaker 1: So these are my takeaways from my conversation with Will today.
Speaker 1: You are the only person that you can change, and
Speaker 1: change starts within number two be still and think before
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