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Speaker 1: Warning, this podcast couldast spoilers for the Last of Us

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Speaker 1: episode seven and in our nerd out, pretty major spoilers

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Speaker 1: that nerd out. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm Rosey Night, and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to x ray Vision, the Crooked media podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep to your fais movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, guess what. It's the Lost of Us

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Speaker 2: and it's gonna make you cry. Like every week in

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Speaker 2: the Hallow Week, it's episode seven, and boy, if you

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Speaker 2: haven't played the game, and if you have played the game,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't played the game, you're in. You're in

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Speaker 2: for some some sad times ahead. And in that doubt,

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Speaker 2: listen to Robe tells us about a possible Lost of

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Speaker 2: Us pop three. Dun, Dun, dun.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if you want to jump around, check the

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Speaker 1: show notes for time stamps. Coming up the air lock,

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Speaker 1: we're stepping out of the airlock and into Ellie's feder

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Speaker 1: orphanage past For the Last of Us episode seven, titled

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Speaker 1: Left Behind, written by Neil Druckman and directed by E.

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Speaker 1: Liza Johnson. We start somewhere in suburban Colorado. There is

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Speaker 1: a bloody trail leading to the ruin of the suburban house. Inside,

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Speaker 1: Ellie is desperately trying to keep Joel alive. She has

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Speaker 1: She's trying to keep pressure on his gut wound. Which

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Speaker 1: same place Sarah is it? You know, there's mirror images or.

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Speaker 2: Shadowing, And I think this is like a great moment

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Speaker 2: to just kind of say the show is doing so

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Speaker 2: many smart little things to make itself more believable, because

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Speaker 2: compared to the game where Joel's like impaled, you know,

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Speaker 2: this feels very real. It feels like a real small

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Speaker 2: that impact of feeling like, is that where Sarah is it?

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Speaker 2: It looks the same and Joel is not doing well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do we have Neo Sporan and the post

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Speaker 2: She is having any of it.

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Speaker 1: No, she is desperately trying to save his life. Joel,

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Speaker 1: you know, of course, wants Ellie to take the horse

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Speaker 1: her Federa school. We get to see Ellie at Federal

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Speaker 1: That's a great point because as we see over the

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Speaker 1: Follow the rules. Become an officer. You get the better food,

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Speaker 1: It's it's interesting. This scene starts with Ellie looking at

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Speaker 1: Ellie is in her room. She's reading an issue of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of you learn a lot about

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Speaker 1: She's incredible now.

430
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: She's incredible in the Man. She was really really great

431
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: in Wrinkling Time, which I know people think is really

432
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: weird movie and it is, but she's brilliant in it,

433
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: Like she is just such Oh she's great in Euphoria,

434
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: Like she's such a great actress. And something that this

435
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: show has done so well is like they bring in

436
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: cast members for one episode and you just would do

437
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: anything for them to stick around, you know. But this

438
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: is a flashback, so you're already aware that that's not

439
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: necessarily going to be the case. And if you remember

440
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: what Ellie told Tess about getting bitten, Ellie claimed that

441
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: she was in there by herself. So I think you're

442
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: starting to get a vision for what this is gonna be.

443
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: But I love this idea that Riley is like, they're

444
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 2: just friends. But Riley's planned like this date night in

445
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: an abandoned wall, which, by the way, is the kind

446
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: of thing we should see more in these post apocalyptic storytelling.

447
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: I remember playing DLC. It's like, oh, this is what.

448
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: Why don't we see this? Why is there never a

449
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: moment where people take advantage of the emptiness and do

450
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: something cool and fun. It's like in The Walking Dead,

451
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: how is there never a moment where somebody like goes

452
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: to old movie there or something, you know, like, yeah,

453
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: I love this idea of like trying to seek out

454
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: the human nature of having fun and bringing fun into

455
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: someone else's life, even if, as we are sure to learn,

456
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: this was a very reckless choice.

457
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: The carousel stops and the conversation about the firefly starts

458
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: back up again. Riley and Ellie kind of argue about

459
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: like whether they think the fireflies will make a difference,

460
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: and clearly Riley does. Riley says, hey, they freed other cuesies,

461
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: this is probably not true, Like, clearly this is I

462
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: think firefly propaganda. It feels like something would be to

463
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: join the fireflys. I agree. Ellie says that if you know,

464
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: like if you stay with Fedra. I mean Captain Wong says,

465
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: I'm a leader. I think we could be running things

466
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: in a few years. And Riley says, forget that Guang

467
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: had me on sewage detail, like that's what I would

468
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: have been doing. They you know, like that's why I

469
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: ran away, which made me think again that Quang kind

470
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: of has a point in the sense of listen, sewer detail.

471
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: Is it anything that anyone wants to do? No? Is

472
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: it absolutely necessary for like the functioning of a civilized

473
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: society where people live together and scale. Yes, Like maybe

474
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: you could argue in the top three most important jobs

475
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: that you could have is making sure we don't drown

476
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: in our own waist, Like that's a vital job. But

477
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: because it's not framed as this adventure, this grand fight

478
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: against against tyranny, there's no romance in it. It's not

479
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: something that you could use to groom young people to

480
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: get excited for. You know, they want to have old

481
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: guns and fight the bad guys. They don't want to

482
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: go into the sewer and clean it out. So the

483
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: twenty thousand or forty thousand how many people live here,

484
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: don't die of some disease that is preventable.

485
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think as well. Like that is also partly

486
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Federer's fault because it's clear that they use these they

487
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: use it as punishment, So if you don't follow the rules,

488
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: you're going to get the bad thing. But you're right

489
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: like that in a post apocalyptic well, that is a

490
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: heroic job because that is something everybody needs to do

491
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: every single day and needs to not die and not

492
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 2: get you know, sick, and be able to go to

493
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: the bathroom. And and I love that because it's such

494
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 2: a good smart point. There's something true in what he's saying.

495
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: But it's not all about presentation. They're not present They

496
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: use these roles as punishment and slight reward if you

497
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: become a commander. But the Fireflies, they promise a mission.

498
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: They promise a store, romance and adventure and fighting against

499
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to do it and you get

500
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: all the gun. It's gonna be great. X Ray Vision

501
00:28:53,320 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: will be back, and we're back. They move on to

502
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: the next wonder And it is a photo booth. And

503
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: as a person who loves a photo booth, I'm looking

504
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: into my office, I see numerous pictures of from various

505
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: times with various friends, and other people. I fucking love

506
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: a photo booth. It cost five dollars, which of course

507
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Riley has, she's been waiting to use it. And this

508
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: evening there's a wonderful moment where you know, they're hanging

509
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: on each other. It's like, you know, like and then

510
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Ellie gets a little uncomfortable by

511
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: like the closeness, and so they they sit very chastely

512
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: like next to each other and they look at the picks,

513
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: and Ellie's like, oh, I love that one. And Riley,

514
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: let's Ellie have the lunch.

515
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and it's this is a great like direct

516
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: from the gate where they're doing these kind of scary

517
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: faces and there's so much childlike wonder here. I just

518
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: love it and I love that. As we go along,

519
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: the five dollars is your first hint the fact that

520
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: Riley knows about this at all. You start to realize

521
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: that Riley has like planned this, Riley has spent time

522
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: working present this for Ellie.

523
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: Next, the arcade. Gotta gotta go to the arcade old school.

524
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: I love I get this cabinets coin up arcade.

525
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: When I go to the mall and they have an

526
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: arcade which, by the way, I am blessed with because

527
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: a lot of I am as excited as they are

528
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: in the post apocalypse just in a normal day. So

529
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: I love this moment. I feel like it's very representative.

530
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: It encapsulates that excitement, and obviously for Ellie, this is

531
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: that game that we know that Riley told her about.

532
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: The game I remember as a kid, like being taken

533
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: to the mall and just hearing the sounds in the

534
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: distance as you got close to like the change machine

535
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: going and the like, and just being like, oh fuck,

536
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: I want to go to the arcade. I want to arcade.

537
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: I want to be there. I remember, like I remember

538
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: the first time I ever cashed in five dollars for

539
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: quarters and just being like, oh my god, this is

540
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: like a jew I'm going to be here for twelve

541
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: hours playing.

542
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: This is like the most English situation. But like they

543
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 2: didn't relate moors, didn't really exist that way when I

544
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: was a kid, or like arcades and mores. But if

545
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: you went to the seaside, the British seaside as we

546
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: call that the side, the British seaside, if you went

547
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: towards start to broad Church, don't know you know it

548
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: could to Brighton or with the ball, Like if you

549
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: went there, especially Brighton Pier, it was like they're just

550
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 2: huge arcades and there would mostly be ones to win

551
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: money and toys, but you would get a couple of

552
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: stand up cabinets and it's that same thing hearing that

553
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: noise and that like chink chink, chink chink chin of

554
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: the coins. It just makes you feel like a little kid.

555
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: And they just love it.

556
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: They encapsulated it so well. Here.

557
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: The excitement that Ellie feels is just palpable again. You know,

558
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: what a great job by Bella Ramsey. And the first

559
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: thing she wants to do is play Mortal Kombat too, because,

560
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: as we've seen from previous episodes, she has heard a

561
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: lot about this game.

562
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: There's even a more combat to banner in that bedroom,

563
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: like this is like Riley's hyper fixation.

564
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they play Raydon versus Molina. Riley wins round one.

565
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: Riley then wins round two and man, this hit because

566
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: anybody who's ever played Mortal Kombat knows that when you

567
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: win the bout, you get to hit the finisher, your

568
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: your character.

569
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 2: You can hit you if you can, if you can

570
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: press the button, if you can.

571
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: You can execute your your character's fatality slash finishing move,

572
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: and in this case it's Molina's man eater move where

573
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: she eats the opponent. But the thing that I that

574
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: really resonated for me was like playing Mortal Kombat against

575
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: other people and being like mad if they were going

576
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: to hit the fatality, like you better not hit the dude,

577
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: don't do it and don't do it.

578
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: And also because I I love More Kombat. That's like

579
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: one of the video games and the series I play

580
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: more than any other. I even love the movies. I

581
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: love More Kombat. But I tell you I'm terrible at

582
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: a fatality, that horrible feeling if you miss it and

583
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: your character just goes like.

584
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: And then falls over.

585
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: So I also love again. If we talk about Riley

586
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: and how much she cares about Ellie and the planning,

587
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: I know she was in there playing that game practicing.

588
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: She basically admits it, like yeah, she knows where the

589
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: money is, because how does she get the coarse? She

590
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: breaks open a change machine.

591
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: She's like up, up, down, and then you have to like,

592
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: come on, you've been.

593
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: Practicing a bottom. So I don't know.

594
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: Now as they are playing camera drifts off, and our

595
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: friends are unaware of the fact that a few stores

596
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: over somewhere here close by in the mall, there is

597
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: an infected heavily you know, scaled with cordy steps mushrooms.

598
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: Who is just now stirring into consciousness. Ellie finally wins about.

599
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: I just want to say, yeah, if we're talking about

600
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: fireflies and they're bad, training, yeah, like sweets them all,

601
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: sweet them all. How is that not like the first

602
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: thing that they taught her that makes me mad? You

603
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: haven't got you could have. You could have just gone

604
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: and shot that infected in the head and this would

605
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: not be a problem because it's I like as well,

606
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: it touches on that thing like you said, I love

607
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: that moment where you said they're both wrong. That's the

608
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: sad thing. They're both wrong. Mark. You know, Ellie is

609
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: wrong about Fedra and Riley is wrong about the fireflies.

610
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: And I love this because this is a great moment

611
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: of that fireflies were not wrong. Fedra has been lying.

612
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: The mall is not overrun with infected, but Fedra was

613
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: not completely wrong. They are infected in the mall. So

614
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: it's that great gray area of like, what is the truth?

615
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: And in this moment, the most important thing is just

616
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: that there's a single infected in them all.

617
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, one, let's secure them all

618
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: if you're going to have a child you've been so long, Yeah,

619
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: let's secure them all number and tell her how to

620
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: secure them all and don't have her do it on

621
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: her own. Have teams. And then seconds to your point,

622
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: the Fireflies want to overthrow Federer and they want to

623
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: re establish a government. You know that that I ostensibly

624
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: they would run, and everything that we've seen from them

625
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: tells us that they wouldn't be good at it, like

626
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: they Marlene and the Fireflies have have executed one fuck

627
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: up after another throughout the course of this show. And

628
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: here they are doing it again, tasking a child with

629
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: like securing like a large sensitive space while sitting on

630
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: a cash of I guess like important munitions, Like that's

631
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: her child making and they have a child doing it.

632
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Ellie finally wins. They get There's this moment

633
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: where she and Riley get close to each other, but

634
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: nothing happens. Ellie is then like, hey, I gotta go

635
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: back soon. I don't want to get in trouble. Riley

636
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: is disappointed, but then she decides to speed up her

637
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: timetable of wonders to really get to all the things

638
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: that they want to get to. Riley takes Ellie to

639
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: a spot in the food court and we see that

640
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: she has been sleeping there. We also see the pipe bombs,

641
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: as you said, and she gives Ellie the gift. It's

642
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: the no pun intended Volume two book.

643
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: Dun dun d It's going to be the cost of

644
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: Joel's life.

645
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: Yes, six weeks so as they're trading puns, this is

646
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: when Ellie discovers the pipe bombs that Riley's been building,

647
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: and Ellie is upset. She realizes that Riley didn't discover

648
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: them all, that she's been posted here by the fireflies

649
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: to make bombs and to guard this like arsenal that

650
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: she is creating. Then Riley again shows her naivete by saying, hey,

651
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, like the fireflies number one. She's like,

652
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: Ellie's like, so what happens if the fireflies blow me

653
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: up with fedra right? And Riley is like, no, no, no,

654
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't let them do it. And it's

655
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: almost tragic. The naivete that Riley has here. She's so

656
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean, who hasn't at a young age, especially been

657
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: entranced by the feeling of belonging somewhere, like finding a community,

658
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: and they're being like a real it's like almost like

659
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: falling in love. You realize around people who are like me,

660
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: and we have a you know, she really believes that,

661
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: oh everyone's like me, and they therefore love and value

662
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Ellie and they understand that though she is in Federa,

663
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: she's good and they wouldn't hurt her. And it's so

664
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: childlike and sad in understandable that she would think like

665
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: this in.

666
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: And brainwashing.

667
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: That's exactly it, because I would argue to your point,

668
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: the fireflies are counting on people being this knave or

669
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: exact Why approach a sixteen year old to do this.

670
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: You're counting on the fact and that they don't know

671
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: about exactly and.

672
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: Also not just that, you're counting on the fact that

673
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: they're reckless, because think about this in a world where

674
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: Fedra hangs people for like going against them for the

675
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: smallest infractions. We even saw this in Boston, so we

676
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: noticed the case where Riley grew up. Riley a random

677
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: woman in the street asked her what she thought about

678
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: feder and Riley started chatting shit and bad mouth in Fedra.

679
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: That in itself that is like stealth, like this is

680
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: a problem, but it shows that the anger and hatred

681
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: towards Fedra, I think probably very understandably being raised in

682
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: a federal orphanage. It bubbles to the top in Riley

683
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: and they can take it of that. And I think

684
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: this is such a heartbreaking narrative revealed because I think

685
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: they do such a good job seeding how much Riley's

686
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: planned it. And I do believe that Riley planned this state.

687
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: But the date is secondary and just the offshoot of

688
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: this mission that she has. And that's heartbreaking because to Ellie,

689
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 2: it proves to Ellie that she second she ran away

690
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: for three weeks, she didn't know where she was, she

691
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: thought she was dead, and then she did this beautiful, huge,

692
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: like romantic gesture. But it was really just an offshoot

693
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: of this mission that she took her away from Ellie.

694
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: That's so heartbreaking because two things can be true. It's romantic,

695
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: it's kind, she put thought into it, but it wasn't

696
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: the purpose of her being in the mall. This wasn't

697
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: something for the two of them.

698
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: It's not just Ellie she's in love with She is

699
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: in love with being a firefly. Truly. It's a great point.

700
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: Ellie is now furious and rightly so honestly, and she's notes, Hey,

701
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: none of this shit was even about me. You were

702
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: already here. They ordered you to do this. Yeah, yeah,

703
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm out. Uh. Riley tells Ellie that, well, if you're leaving,

704
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: this is it just so you know, like I'm leaving too,

705
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: Like Marlene is giving me my posting, I'll be leaving Boston.

706
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: Tonight's my last night here. Ellie asks why did you

707
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: bring me here then? And Riley's like, because I wanted

708
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: to see you. I wanted to say goodbye. Ellie leaves,

709
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: then doubles back. Just the thought of leaving Riley under

710
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: these circumstances it brings her up short. And here's the

711
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: show has been doing this all season, which is subvert

712
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: giving us these little fake outs where you think prospect

713
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: to happen, and it's always based around some point of

714
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: the game that the game players would be expecting. And

715
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: here is that moment she comes back. You here, screams,

716
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: She runs up panicked. Riley are you, okay, but it

717
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: isn't Riley. It's one of those Halloween decorations and it's like.

718
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: Ah a, a's like waking up and saying back, and

719
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: it's they're in this halloween store.

720
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: She finds Riley just kind of sad moping in this

721
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: halloween store, and Riley says, surprise, it's the Fifth Wonder

722
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: and it's the store she thought Ellie would love it,

723
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: so she saved it for last. Riley gives Ellie the

724
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: Book of Puns. Ellie tells Riley that basically she doesn't

725
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: think that she understands what the fireflies are really about,

726
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: and Riley again says, like you think you know everything,

727
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: but you don't know everything. But then she kind of

728
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: admits that Ellie is right. She basically says, like, hey,

729
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: you don't understand what it's like to feel like I'm

730
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: part of a mission, part of a community. They chose me.

731
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: I matter to them, and it's a way of saying, yes,

732
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know everything that the fireflies are doing,

733
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: but they want me so I will.

734
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, how they make me feel as more important? Also,

735
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: I think it's really there's a really interesting thing here

736
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: where you know, Riley is not callous to her feelings

737
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: about Ellie or Ellie's feelings. Riley asked Marlene if Ellie

738
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 2: could go with her, and Marlene said, no, she stays

739
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: in Fedra. She stays in that Boston orphanage. Now, like

740
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: I say, I'm not going to get into spoiler territory,

741
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: but in the game and in the TYE, in comic

742
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: and in the DLC, there is like there is a

743
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: reasoning behind why Marlene cares for Ellie and and kind

744
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: of does these makes these choices, that is a human reason.

745
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: I feel like in the game. I understand that they

746
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: may likely show this later, but currently it feels like

747
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: a conspiracy to me. I feel like Marlene wants Ellie

748
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: in Fedra for a reason. Whether it's because she thinks

749
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: maybe they have a bunch of kids who were born

750
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: after the Fall and they think that they could be

751
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: immune and they want to see, or maybe it's because

752
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: she wants a plant within Fedra. I don't know what

753
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: it is, but I found this announcement even knowing what

754
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: the game reasoning is. I feel like it's so interesting.

755
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: We've heard r Ellie has asked Marlene about her mom.

756
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: Ellie asked malleyne, are you my mom? There was a

757
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: chance there for a conversation that could lean into what

758
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 2: happened in the game, but instead this just makes Morlene

759
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: seem like she has some kind of shadowy oceans.

760
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Definitely, And don't forget Marlene basically intimating earlier in this

761
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: in episode one, that she's been keeping eye on Ellie

762
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: for a long time.

763
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: So actually you in that orphanage like it was me,

764
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: and it's like, so she's there a season and I

765
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: find that really interesting.

766
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Ellie basically is unhappy with Riley's decision, becomes to a

767
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: place where she accept it, accepts it. Riley tells Ellie that, Okay,

768
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: we have one last surprise left. She gives Ellie a

769
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: werewolf mask. Riley puts on a scary clown mask and

770
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: they play on They play on Ellie's walk and a

771
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: cover of I Got You Babe by Edna James, and

772
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: they dance and then at the end of the dance,

773
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: the masks come off. Ellie desperately says to Riley like

774
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: that she doesn't want her to leave. Riley says, okay,

775
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: and then they kiss and it's a wonderful, tender, nervy moment.

776
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: Ellie then apologizes, but of course it's fine.

777
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: Like they both wanted this. It's like they this is

778
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: a world where maybe in this night, it feels like

779
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: they can make something great happen between the.

780
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then before you know what, the infected is there.

781
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: They hear it before they see it, and Riley has

782
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: her gun out. She says, get ready to run. It

783
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: feels like something Joel would say. Also, which which it

784
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: really does. The contrast is so stark, you know. Then

785
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the affected is with insight Ley

786
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: opening fire on it, hits it a couple of times.

787
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: The infected, of course, does not go down. It's like

788
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: almost like to clicker level something of like heartiness.

789
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also like again, I feel like the three

790
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: weeks did not was not spent well. They did not

791
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 2: think like, listen, let's make sure she can. She needs

792
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: to know or shift something like that. They need to know.

793
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: She needs to know how to kill a zomb because

794
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: she's protecting these I'm sure very you know, expensive in

795
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: the relative terms of the last of US economy, munitions

796
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: that could kill many people. Uh, maybe it would have

797
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: been good to have one of those around in case

798
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: there was an infected. Riley has clearly been told there

799
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: is no infected. Riley is not ready for this, and

800
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: it is like really heartbreaking to see this. Also, just

801
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: want to shout out the fact that throughout this episode

802
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: from the beginning, they're playing eighties music, So if we

803
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: know what Bill's code is, we knew where this was

804
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: going to.

805
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: Go, and it's going exactly here. So there is a struggle.

806
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: Riley is knocked out for a little bit, Ellie is

807
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: on her own. Then Riley comes back to knocks the

808
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: infected off of Ellie. Ellie finally kills it with a

809
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: head stab sumb and they are both so high on adrenaline.

810
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: Ellie is like particularly like flushed with victory, and then

811
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: she looks at Riley and Riley's got this devastated look

812
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: on her face and they realize they've both been bitten

813
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: and so they're dead essentially. We go back to the house.

814
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: Joel is shivering on the floor. Ellie is still standing

815
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: on the door. All of these thoughts have flashed through

816
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: her mind in the seconds that she had been standing

817
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: on the other side of the door, and it steals

818
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: her for what comes next. She thinks, I'm not going

819
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: to lose Joel the way I lost Riley. It's not

820
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen. She runs upstairs looks for any supplies she

821
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: can find to try and stabilize Joel. We go back

822
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: to the mall, and Ellie, in her rage at the

823
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: hopelessness of their situation, is just smashing everything in sight.

824
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: Riley is like, go ahead, there's more stuff smash over there.

825
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: She's really kind of resigned to this happening. I will say,

826
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: both of them are acting like there's no more zombies

827
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: in this building, like, you know, like if you saw one,

828
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: that would tell me there might be more. But that's

829
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: for another time. Riley is really resigned to this being

830
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: In the end, she says that, you know, I guess

831
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: we could kill ourselves, but I don't want to. I

832
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: think what we should do is go into whatever comes next,

833
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: hand in hand. We squeeze every last good moment out

834
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: of the moments that we have left. And it's just

835
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: really I read it as this very young you know,

836
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: the passion and strength of young love. Is this feeling

837
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: like even as infected, we'd know who each other are,

838
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: you know, like that It's almost that kind of that

839
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of statement of like, yes, but we'll be together exactly.

840
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Actually, I really love how in this final moment, Riley

841
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: actually has like this immense amount of wisdom, Like we've

842
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: kind of joked about this three weeks of wisdom that

843
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: she got from the fireflies, but in this moment she

844
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: has a recognition that like no one else really has

845
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: had apart from Sam. So it's kind of that childlike

846
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: wonder of you know what. One, we could still have

847
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: four or five hours together in this moll where we

848
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: remember each other, so let's make the most of that.

849
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: And two, who knows what happens? Who knows what happened

850
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: when we turned You never know, we might just be

851
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: both living in here being infected together. And I love

852
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: that is such an out of the box, different hopeful

853
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: outlook than what we usually get, which is this you've

854
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: got to kill them, you got to kill someone. It

855
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: brings me back. I'm really happy to see a lot

856
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Speaker 2: of people in the discord reading The Girl with all

857
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Speaker 2: the Gifts and starting to watch the movie, and I

858
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: feel like this is really playing into those questions like

859
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: we don't really know what the cognizance of a zombie is,

860
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: We don't know how the infected experience life, and I

861
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: love that Riley has this kind of you know, kind

862
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: of that mind blowing moment where she's just like, well,

863
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Speaker 2: we could just enjoy each other and spend time together.

864
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine how horrific that would have

865
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Speaker 2: ended up being for Ellie, because we know who survived

866
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Speaker 2: and who didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so they grasp hands and lean on each other

868
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: and go forward into whatever comes next. We go back

869
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: to the house. Ellie has come back to Joel. She

870
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Speaker 1: has a sewing needle, and she kind of grits her teeth,

871
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Speaker 1: steals herself and goes about the really really hard work

872
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Speaker 1: of binding up Joel's wounds. He passes out from the

873
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Speaker 1: pain of it, and we fed to black.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just before Joel, just before he passes out,

875
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: there's this great moment where, like she put she's pressuring

876
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: the wound right, putting pressure on it, and Joel allows

877
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Speaker 2: her to hold his hand, Yeah, and their fingers like intertwine.

878
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: And it's this first moment of vulnerability, real vulnerability that

879
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Speaker 2: Joel's shown Ellie. And also I think that marks a change.

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Speaker 2: If Ellie asked Joel if she was family now, he

881
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Speaker 2: would say yes. It wouldn't be your cargo. You know.

882
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: This is she's willing to save him and he can

883
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: feel that, and he's willing to be saved in that moment.

884
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Speaker 2: What an episode.

885
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Speaker 1: What an episode, and an episode that really underlines Ellie's

886
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Speaker 1: growth from a person who has kind of been the

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Speaker 1: sidekick and a lot of the important relationships in her

888
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: life until now and now she's really standing up on

889
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Speaker 1: her own t feet and being the person who saves

890
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: the other people. Really beautiful and also, I got to say,

891
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Speaker 1: is an episode that makes you see the fireflies in

892
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Speaker 1: a very very different light.

893
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really interesting world building episode. Like I said,

894
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Speaker 2: like this as the potential emotional theft of like episode three,

895
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure that for a lot of people it's

896
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Speaker 2: going to hit that way. And it is storm Read

897
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: and Bella Ramsey is so brilliant together.

898
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

899
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Speaker 2: But the thing that really blew me away as a

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Speaker 2: viewer and as a kind of somebody who's always enjoys

901
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Speaker 2: looking at these narratives, it was that world building. It

902
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Speaker 2: was this idea of like, who are the fireflies really?

903
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: What does Marlene know? What could happen that would explain

904
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: away this behavior and will it come too late, does

905
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: it matter? And also, like you said, our main children

906
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: putting them in charge of munitions. This is not some

907
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: great hope for the future. Currently, this is like dangerous.

908
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we'll be continuing our coverage of the Last

909
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Speaker 1: of a Show here on the Xtra Vision podcast. Up next, nerd.

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Speaker 2: Out Spoiler, spoiler. This nerd Out contains spoilers for the

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00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: video game The Last of Us Part two, which would

912
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Speaker 2: make me say, probably just skip past this if you

913
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 2: have not played the game or care about spoilers, because

914
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: this will likely come into play or there will be

915
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: characters mentioned he who would come into play in a

916
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: second season.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Also, secondarily, yes, if you are a

918
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: show watcher who has never played the game exactly, I

919
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: would also stay.

920
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying like I'm saying, just generally, don't do it.

921
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: Probably don't listen to this, and you have played the

922
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: Last of Us one and two.

923
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 2: If you do, do not be googling anything about these characters.

924
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: Also, don't do that.

925
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: Don't do that. In today's nerd Out, where you tell

926
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: us what you love or why or a theory that

927
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: you're excited to share. Rob pictures us the Last of

928
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: US Part three video game, which I think introduces something

929
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: that the first Last of Us was arguably missing, though

930
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: I understand why it was missing.

931
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: So here is Rob's pitch for a Last of Us

932
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: three game and how it would end. Quote. The third

933
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: act would end with Ellie traveling with Abby back to

934
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Speaker 1: the new Firefly HQ. I would love to be able

935
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: to switch from Abby to Ellie on their journey, using

936
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: each one's different skill sets or play skill sets to

937
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: move the player along towards the goal and survive. I

938
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Speaker 1: would also make Ellie's choice to sacrifice herself up to

939
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: the player, So, in other words, unlike the Last of

940
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: Us one and two, but I would love to have

941
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: that be the choice, be the potential savior of mankind

942
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: or act like the father figure of her life Joel,

943
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: and tear down the fireflies once again. So in other words,

944
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: Rob's pitches a Last of Us three ending with a

945
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: choice as Ellie, you can either A sacrifice yourself, save

946
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: the hear and race, or b kill all the fireflies.

947
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: That would actually be such a nice reflection of that

948
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: first game, and it would give us that It would

949
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: how much has Ellie changed over these games, and what

950
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: choice would the player make. It would give us back

951
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: that agency that we never had, and it would give

952
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: Ellie the agency to make the choice that so many

953
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: people wanted her to make. I think that is like

954
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: that could be a really deep, interesting way.

955
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: I think this is great. Here is a pitch because

956
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: I feel like this choice it's already a video game.

957
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: You've likely you know, by the time you get to

958
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: Act three, you've replayed certain levels several times because you

959
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: didn't make it through, and now you're here. It seems

960
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: to me almost too easy to make the save Mankind

961
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: choice right now. I wonder if you can add some

962
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: stakes to it, like if you save Mankind. I don't

963
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: know how you do it, But if you save Mankind,

964
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: you can't just play is your next playthrough? You have

965
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: to start all over again. I can't you know what?

966
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: I like?

967
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: You know how like when you finish a game and

968
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: end game, Yeah, you can like jump back in and

969
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: play certain levels. If you save Mankind, it wipes.

970
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: I was gonna you either you don't keep because dies.

971
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know all your achievements. But the next time

972
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: you play, you have to play from the beginning. Now,

973
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: if you decide as I would imagine either Abby and

974
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: Ellie together or just Abby or just Ellie. If you

975
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: decide to wipe out the fireflies, then you keep all

976
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: your saves, you can play, you can jump back into

977
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: different levels and keep all that stuff. You keep all

978
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: your DLC regardless of what choice you make. But I'm

979
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: thinking there has to be right.

980
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the one thing I'll say is the

981
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: writers of these games are like so brilliant at telling

982
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: these stories. I also think that there is a version

983
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: of this where they get you so invested in this

984
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: story that there are people who will make the other

985
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: choice also as well, it's the it's the joker thing.

986
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: There's people who just want to see the world burn.

987
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: So I think there's that interesting thing of like knowing

988
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: that you're making the wrong choice and the human appeal

989
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: to make this horrific choice, and also the tradition of

990
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: the game, which is to make the terrible choice. So

991
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: I think that's really interesting.

992
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: What about this If you choose to sacrifice yourself, there

993
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: is no post you know how usually you win the

994
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: game and then there's like a post game montage. That's

995
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

996
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: Nothing get you just said, you just go back Black Faith,

997
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 2: Black done. Yeah, I think that's it. You don't get

998
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 2: any cut scenes, you don't know how to if it works,

999
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 2: if you don't know if the rest of the world

1000
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: keeps going on, you have no idea because you're dead.

1001
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 2: I think that is like such a belief.

1002
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: I know it just yeah, faith are black.

1003
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: You never know, and that's I just have people talking

1004
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: for like a million years.

1005
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: I do love the idea, Rob. I think it's really great.

1006
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: My here's the thing I wonder is Naughty Dog so

1007
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: invested in their style of storytelling, which is in these

1008
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: big moments, you don't have agency. We have agency. We're

1009
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: telling our story. If you want to know about our story,

1010
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: you can play through and that's it. But don't expect

1011
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: to be like, well, now Joel's not going to do this,

1012
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: or Ellie is not going to do this, and Ellie's

1013
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: going to decide to, you know, not get involved in

1014
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: this fight. Abby is going to decide to walk away

1015
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: and live peacefully like and so I wonder.

1016
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: If they howitch it up.

1017
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: I do wonder if they would ever decide if they

1018
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: do decide to go back for a last of Us

1019
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: part three, which is I would can't imagine they won't

1020
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: if they ever do decide to hand over the keys

1021
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: in a key moment to a player. Yeah, I wonder.

1022
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: It's so exciting to even think about. Thank you, Rob.

1023
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: If you have theories or passions you want to share,

1024
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Speaker 2: hit us up at x ray at crooked dot com.

1025
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Speaker 2: Instructions are in the show notes as always.

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Speaker 1: Well that's it for us, Rosie. Anything to plug plug

1027
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1028
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1029
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1030
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Speaker 2: of the show that speaks to me. At IGN you

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Speaker 2: I don't know what days are. I think it will

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1044
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1045
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Speaker 2: lots of articles online you can I just when this finishes,

1046
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Speaker 2: I will be sending the much toiled over next draft

1047
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1050
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1051
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1052
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Speaker 2: them for the last of us.

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Speaker 1: From Mandalorian five star ratings, five star reviews. We need them,

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Speaker 1: we gotta have them, you gotta give them to us.

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Speaker 1: Here is one from melligator Family Bonding. I love and

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Speaker 1: learn from Jason and Rosie so much. Thank you, so much,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, melligaate. They're very entertaining and occasionally I can

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Speaker 1: mention something to my sixteen year old and shocker, thanks

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Speaker 1: for making me a sometimes cool mom.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. Wow. That's the power of X ray Vision.

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Speaker 2: I really love it.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Sal Rubin. The show

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy Garhard are editing

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Speaker 1: and sound design who's by Vascillas Fatopoulos, Dylon Villanueva and

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Speaker 1: Matt de Group provide video production support. Alex Roller for

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Speaker 1: handle social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for the music.

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Speaker 1: See you next time, ms M