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So not going to do that, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.959 but would like to welcome none other than the one 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:30.760 and only Shack Diesel shackstra dumbis the big Cactus. And 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.800 the list goes on and on. My man, Shack, what's up, brother, 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.639 I'm not talking to you and to you and dress 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.280 me as my correct name. The Black Steph Curry, the 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.040 Black Steph Curry. There it is. We got another one. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.520 Just like that, We got another one now, man number one. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.640 I want to say thank you, like I said, just 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.120 what you've meant to me and my life from Afar. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.840 I was just telling Travis when we was on the 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.400 way over here, like I still remember the first time 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.680 I ever met you in the picture we took at 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.160 Staples Center and he was looking the other way, and shit. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.280 I was, yeah, you know, looking the other way. Hey. 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.600 I did not think anything of it. I was happy 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.440 as hell to get the picture. But before we get started, 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.320 and I want to say, I've always appreciated the way 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:12.720 you play. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:13.560 Thank you. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.079 You know, we always get in this conversation about us, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.720 and then you play like us big dog. I know 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.240 he wasn't six eight six nine. I told you six okay, yeah, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.120 I know you wasn't six eighty six nine, but you 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.160 always played really big for your size. I appreciate the 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.080 way you play all the text and files and all 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.000 that bullshit. That's what you gotta do to win. And 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.600 at the end of the day, you got four of 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.800 them things and that's all that matter. So I want 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.320 to say I appreciate you, no doubt, and the way 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.440 that you play. Thank you, Thank you man. That means 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:45.320 a lot to me. So just and getting into it. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.160 Number one, I want to ask you about your approach 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.320 in TV because what I've seen is so many guys 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.760 get up there and I try to be sure that 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.840 I'm not doing it myself, but so many times you 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.320 see guys get up there and they want to throw stones, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.400 you know, and it's specific. You get former players getting 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.280 up there throwing stones at guys, acting acting as if 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.760 they weren't players. But we always say, once you're a player, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.240 you're always a player, and you get so many guys 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.560 that just go up there throwing stones, not standing up 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.279 for guys acting like they were perfect when they played 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.720 as if they ain't ever do, and you always take 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:23.680 the opposite approach. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.880 Can you talk to me first off, just about that. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.520 We all get criticized. You know. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.120 I was told one day, if there's some truth in 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.560 the criticism, you have to look at it different. Like 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.200 Shaq could have been a great player ever, but he 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.839 wasn't a great free throw shitter. Can't get mad at that. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.400 It's truth in that, right. So when I criticize players, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.359 I try to put some truth in it. Like for 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.680 ten to fifty years, people think that I hate d way, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.000 I actually really love the way. A little bit of 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.920 me probably a little bit more athletic and jump higher. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.839 I would always say you got an average twenty eight ten. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.080 I would always say you're not dominating. So hopefully he 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.880 would get the message and say, fuck you, Shaq, this 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.120 is what I gotta do. It's what Kareem abdu Jabard 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.039 did to me. When I first got to LA I 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.599 was putting up historical numbers and we was getting swept 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.360 and Kareem's that one day they said, shack Man, Shacks 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.120 are gonna be a great player like you. He said, 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.600 is he really that great? They're not winning and he 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.960 has G fourteen classification to say that, And you know, 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.720 I could have took it as a jab, like Kareem, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.640 you're just hating because I'm averaging more points to you 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.600 and I make moment, But I was like, you know what, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.680 he gave me the lesson inside the criticism. So when 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.880 I criticize, I just try to give the lesson. And 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.920 you know, sometimes people take it the right way and 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.479 sometimes people don't. But people like me and you, we 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.599 have G fourteen classification. We know what it takes to 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.719 play at a certain level, and we know what it 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.760 takes to win the championship four times. So a lot 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.960 of times when we say something like I know what 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.960 the fuck I'm talking about. So and then a lot 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.200 of times I test people out, I'm motherfuckers off to 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.040 see what I'm dealing with. Same thing I did the Cope, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.000 same thing I did the Penny, same thing I did 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.040 to d Wade. And if you respond and turn it 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.400 into greatness, I know I'm dealing with a fucking dog. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.960 Like I jumped on Donovan one time and he kind 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.280 of he kind of went, so I knew I had 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.880 to handle him with with you know, kitting gloves. But 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.320 so a lot of times I try to criticize and 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:22.919 give you the answers, and a lot of times I 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.400 just try to just say something hateful just to see 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.000 who you are, because again, I wouldn't want to listen 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.440 to a guy like me, because you know what, the 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.719 best thing I did was listen to Kareem Abdul Jabbar 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.000 and he said, I'm motherfucker, he great, but he ain't 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.839 that great and he ain't winning, and I'm looking up 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.120 at the fucking Jerseys. I'm like, fuck, he right, I 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.520 gotta start winning, you know. So you know, I try 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.800 to protect the guys as you know, much as possible, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.120 but people like us don't. We don't have to hate 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.120 like we actually know what we're talking about. And you know, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.000 sometimes guys understand it and sometimes they don't. Like the 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.120 other day and it went viral. I don't know why 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.240 I went went went viral. Joker is my guy. I'll 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.560 always talked great about Joker, right absolutely, And I said 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.960 to him, I said, Joker, I want you to hear 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.120 this from me. Other people like Shannon Sharp don't get 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.320 on they fucking podcast and twist and trying to make 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.680 it look like I'm hating and I said, Yo, you're 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.920 the best big man in the league. You're my favorite player. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.720 You're the vice president of the Big Man Alliance. However, 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.120 I think SGA should have got MVP. Like when you're 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.840 a man and you know you're dealing with another man, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.440 respect is a must. Like Draymond, you shouldn't have kicked 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.360 them in the balls. I'm not hating. I'm just saying, bro, 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.440 they need you for the next game. You should ain't 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.680 like I'm hating. So you know, so for people who 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.320 don't try to understand the clarity that we have and 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:45.880 they try to make it something different. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.640 So I'm glad you asked that question. 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.160 So again to your answer, I try to criticize, but 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.040 give you the answers to the test, like, hey, you 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:57.680 want to be dominant average twenty eight ten and you know, hey, Donovan, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.240 you ain't no superstar yet. I want you to sometimes 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.440 say fuck shock and just go do what you do 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.560 because if we protect this thing of ours, guy's gonna 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.240 be making eighty or anything. They say that when this 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.520 next deal come around, Luker gonna be making eighty. Man. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.520 That ain't because of me, that's because of doctor j. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.560 He gave it to Mike Man gave it to me. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.600 I gave it to Bron. Bron gave it to y'all. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.960 Y'all about to give it to Luca Luke, about to 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.040 give it to wom Beyona. So we have to make 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.720 sure that you know, all these guys play at a 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.960 high level and the ones that that really take it 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.720 as hate, the ones that don't, that don't understand. I 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.240 don't really care. You just mentioned Donovan when you said 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.840 when you said he wasn't a superstar yet? Is he 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.320 a superstar now? Has he crossed that now? Because that 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.840 was like two three years ago when you said that 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.720 he's close and you know, as you know, there's a 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.600 fine luverer between fine line between a star and a 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.440 superstar close. I would like to see him dominate more. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.720 Any guy that can put up numbers anytime he wants 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.400 shows me that you're a puppy, but you can be 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.040 trained to be a mean dog. You ever see a 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.000 bunch of puppies and you're looking at that one puppies, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.680 that's the one you always pick because you be like, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.880 if he's aggressive right now, I could train him to 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.400 be more aggressive. So like when I went at him, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.560 I made it seem like a disc but I wanted 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.600 him to respond be like, Okay, watch this, because that's 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:24.240 what all the Gretes do. I sit back and I 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.960 still watch you today like I watched you when I 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.959 was a kid. Only difference is then you were playing 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.199 the game of basketball and now we're all watching you 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:39.320 crush the game of life from a business perspective, just 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.920 from a legend. And everything that you do, we're watching 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.560 you do it at the highest level, and I admire that. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.000 And one question that I have for you is how 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.040 is it that you have stayed human? 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.400 And when I say stayed human, here's what I'm saying. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:57.080 You are. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:04.440 Seven to one, three hundred plus pounds African American man, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.880 so you're already bigger than everyone. That's a strike against 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:14.920 you in height and mass. You're a black man in America, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.840 that's a strike against you. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.080 You are a legend. 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.720 Most people won't believe it, but that's actually a strike 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.120 against you. Because people put you on a pedestal. They 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.840 want to tear you off the pedestal. Everything that you 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.959 do is going to be criticized. How is it that 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:36.360 you have stayed human to people like approachable? You know, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.600 no one's like people see you and they're like, oh 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.480 my god. And like when I see you with people, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.920 you're immediately able to break that ice, Like how have 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.000 you stayed that through the success and through all the 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.520 things that are up against you, just naturally because of 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.400 who you are in the way that you look. You know, 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.920 when I first got drafts, I was making a lot 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.760 of money and I took my mom to a restaurant. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.120 Was acting big Willie. I was acting like I was 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.480 a shit and my mother was disappointed, and she said, son, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.720 it cost you nothing to be nice. So I dropped 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.880 the arrogant thing now because you know, coming from where 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:13.800 we come from, we didn't have anything, and now I 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.839 got it. So that's my world. You're gonna do what 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.080 the fuck out? You know, all that attitude. She's like, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.640 it cost you nothing to be nice. And then one 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.240 time I was in LA and I was at a 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.280 restaurant and I saw a superstar. I'm gonna say his name, 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.679 but a kid came and asked for autograph. He fucking 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.040 made the kid cry. And I always said to myself, 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.319 I ever get the superstar status, I'm I always take 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.720 care of the kids. My mama said, be nice, I'm 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.800 going to take care of my family. Everything I do 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.400 is for my family, especially my mother. You know where 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.880 we played the game of basketball and they paid pay 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:48.320 us a lot of money from two to seventeen. It 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.600 hit me when I first got drafted. My mom never 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.240 had her own house, and she never really had her 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.320 own house. And like you know, they, you know, our parents, 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.160 they give us the basics. Be respectful, go to school, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.480 get this education, and make sure you always work hard. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.440 That was, you know, the basis for a family. So 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.880 when I said to myself, you know what, I'm about 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.320 to buy my mama house, right, I'm about to buy 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.080 my dad the same six hundred mestadies I got. I'm 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.520 about to take care of my brother. I'm about to 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.520 take care of my family. Now, there's many ways to 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.000 lose that, you know, the ways to lose that. So 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.679 you stay away from that and you lean towards the 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.680 stuff that keeps it, you know, start businesses, you know, 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.200 educate yourself on you know, financial stability or you know, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.959 financial wealth. Everything I do is for my family. And 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.360 now that I have seven children, now I have to 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.480 do and I have to say the right thing, good 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.400 thing about me and my crew, is if I happen 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.800 to get offline, they can check me. Like I did 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.520 a little AI disc record. My mom wasn't happy with that, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.920 so I'm done with it. I ain't gonna say nothing 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.200 else about it. So you know, that's you know, another 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.200 attribute I have as I always listen. You know, the 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.520 world famous Uncle Jerome absolutely the only one that could 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.080 turn my motoro like he tell you bullshiting like I 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.160 used to. You know, I got tired of duncan and 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:11.640 go to my jump hook. So every now and then 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.280 I like to shoot the fade away and I may miss, 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.079 for as soon as I fucking hit one, I look 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:17.560 at him and be like, don't nobody want to see 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:17.880 that shit? 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.000 Fuck that, don't shoot that dumbas shit. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.400 So you know, you have to listen sometimes and you 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.280 have to, you know, follow your goals and you have 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.080 to stick to your principles. You know, my mother is 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.720 an avid TV watcher. I would never want to want 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.560 to her sitting down seeing me do something crazy and 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.800 then FOTM, don't fuck off the money, do not fuck 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.640 off the money. So I try to do the right thing. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.200 I try to say the right thing, and just being nice. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.160 I'm fifty years old. No, no need for me to 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.840 be arrogant towards anybody that looks up to me, looks 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.600 up to me. No need for me to be arrogant 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.760 towards anybody. You know, if you approach me the wrong way, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.160 I know how to reapproach you with that same energy. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.199 But listen, I'm a nice guy. I've fulfilled all my dreams. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.360 You know, all my children hate using this word, but 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.800 I have seven perfect children, like they don't give me 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.960 no problems. A couple in college, a couple of graduated. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.880 Shout out to my nephew, Miles Bailey. You just graduated. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.760 I'm gonna help him get in law school. So you know, 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.800 the family is very important to me. So again, I 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.200 just try to do and just try to say the 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.160 right thing. You know, keep my mouth shut. I don't 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.320 get into the gossip mats and all that, and I 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.920 just try to make people's mouth You did the unthinkable. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.000 We've seen a couple guys attempt to do it. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:34.400 Then. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.720 I think the latest and most popular was Big Baller 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.440 brand with the with the ball family, you start a 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:49.640 shock the Parlin sneakers clothes and starting that as a 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:55.000 household name as the Shaquille O'Neill most dominant player we've 0:14:55.040 --> 0:15:01.480 ever seen play. I remember sixth grade a pair of 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.320 shoes that my grandfather bought me from Kmart, I want 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.920 to say shacks. They were kind of all white with 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.880 the black down the middle, like through the soul, through 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:15.040 the tongue, kind of had like a and. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.000 Thirty bucks as a household name. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.800 As when people say premium, like you want to do 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.440 premium things. You said, no, I'm gonna have these thirty 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:33.480 dollars sneakers number one. How did you accomplish that? Because 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.280 you're going up against Nike, you're now the president, Reebok. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.400 Owner and president and Rebok Adidas. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.120 You're going up against all these brands and you say, no, 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.760 I'm gonna go do my own number I help me 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.040 understand how did you go about that process? Who did 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.000 you do it with? To help you understand the marketing 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.280 and the distribution and all of those things. Initially to 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.840 start it. So one day me and my cousin Kenny, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.680 we're leaving practice in Orlando Magic and Orlando Magic was 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.280 the first marine I had was in the hood. So 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.960 they used to come out shack shack uh. Matter of fact, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.520 Marquise Daniels when I was playing with him with Boston 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.200 one time. He said, Yo, man, you don't remember me, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.200 and I said no, and he showed me a picture. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:17.880 He was one of those kids I used to always 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.760 come and get all the graph jersey and get tickets 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:20.120 and all that. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:20.680 Yeah. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.760 So one day me and my cousin Kenny, we walking 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.600 out the back of this lady. She's coming, she's, you know, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.640 dragging us on, and she's not smiling. The boy's shack shacks. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.640 She's not smiling, and she's like, you motherfucking I was like, 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:32.400 what did I do? 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:33.400 I don't know you. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.720 You motherfuckers got these high ass motherfuckers niggers my baby. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.280 You know he want these fucking high ass reboxing. I 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:40.920 can't afford him, so, you know, me, I had a 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.400 couple of stacks. I was like, man, I don't do 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.920 the price point. Here's the money, and she smacked the 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.920 money out of my hand. I want that, won't you 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.480 motherfuckers make an affordable shoe. And I'm riding in the 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.520 car and I'm thinking, I was like, that was my 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.840 mom and me. I asked my dad for some jorings. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.760 Tell that motherfucker looked at me like, man, you back, 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.480 get the fuck out my face. He looked at me 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.680 like that. I had to cut grass and fucking wash 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.840 car and sell lemonade and all that bullshit. And then 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.479 by the time I got my one hundred and ten dollars, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.520 I was scade fifteen. I bought some thirteen. That's why 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.320 my toes all fucked. I ain't gonna show my toes 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.400 on you, but that's something like I tried to squeeze 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.920 those Jordan, So all that shit was going back to me, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.439 and I said, you know what, call Reebo can tell 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.800 him after this, I'm gonna do my own thing. So 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.720 if you look at this brand right here, and we're 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:35.920 all creatures, creatures of our environment, Jordan has to what 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.720 jump man And this is the dunk Man. So when 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.320 I was in college one time the professor said, create 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.359 something that you can see being sold in the future. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.120 And you know me, shack shirt, shack draws sign suck. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.760 So I you know, I was in the marketing class, 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.560 I was in business class. So I patting it the 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.280 dunk make be cause that's how I dunk. I tried 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.760 to put my nuts in your face. So that right 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.159 here dunk Man was created in eighty nine ninety and 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.720 I was going and then I was talking to my 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.600 dad about it. I was like, this shit might not work. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.159 I'm going up against these powerhouses. And he said something, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.480 He said, there's more poor people than there are rich people. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.520 I was like, shit, So, you know, I think it 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.680 only worked because I was a household name. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:19.959 You know that. Of course you had Jordan and all 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:20.520 those guys. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.800 But I was saying, I'm shock and the only thing 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.560 that took me a while to get is even though 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.680 they're thirty dollars, you can't make them look like they're 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.480 thirty dollars because you know how we get fucking criticized 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.640 in the hood, and like people always hear stories how 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.080 people used to get bullied for wearing my shoes. That's 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.840 because their mindset what wasn't right. I never made shoes 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.119 that looked like thirty dollars. I ever went over the 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.160 china and be like, mother fuck, I want the same leather, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:47.840 I want the same everything. So I just tried to 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.399 keep the price pointing down. And that's why I did that, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.120 because you know, it was the right thing to do, 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:58.680 and you know, when it was it was Rebuck another 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.680 person than me. Now it's just me and the shoe 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.280 manufactured guy. So you know, if you could go with Walmart, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.720 who has fifty thousand doors, k Mart got that and 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.639 then it was a it was a no brainer. And 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.160 then you get with all these companies and they say, okay, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.919 we don't want to shut brand. Let's say okay, so 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.840 I'll just create the dunk Man brand. So dunk Man 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.119 was at k Mart and Shaq was at Walmart, and 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.960 I was just and I just sat back. It wasn't 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.920 like you know because listen, back then when I first 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:31.480 came in, brother, I had so much money. 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:32.400 I didn't need no more money. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.600