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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: I asked you all I know the inner child in
Speaker 1: me is at Disney World right now, excited as hell
Speaker 1: to be doing this interview. I like to do intros
Speaker 1: and name off accolades. I'll be sitting here forever trying
Speaker 1: to name these accolades. So not going to do that,
Speaker 1: but would like to welcome none other than the one
Speaker 1: and only Shack Diesel shackstra dumbis the big Cactus. And
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on. My man, Shack, what's up, brother,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to you and to you and dress
Speaker 1: me as my correct name. The Black Steph Curry, the
Speaker 1: Black Steph Curry. There it is. We got another one.
Speaker 1: Just like that, We got another one now, man number one.
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you, like I said, just
Speaker 1: what you've meant to me and my life from Afar.
Speaker 1: I was just telling Travis when we was on the
Speaker 1: way over here, like I still remember the first time
Speaker 1: I ever met you in the picture we took at
Speaker 1: Staples Center and he was looking the other way, and shit.
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, you know, looking the other way. Hey.
Speaker 1: I did not think anything of it. I was happy
Speaker 1: as hell to get the picture. But before we get started,
Speaker 1: and I want to say, I've always appreciated the way
Speaker 1: you play.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You know, we always get in this conversation about us,
Speaker 1: and then you play like us big dog. I know
Speaker 1: he wasn't six eight six nine. I told you six okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you wasn't six eighty six nine, but you
Speaker 1: always played really big for your size. I appreciate the
Speaker 1: way you play all the text and files and all
Speaker 1: that bullshit. That's what you gotta do to win. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you got four of
Speaker 1: them things and that's all that matter. So I want
Speaker 1: to say I appreciate you, no doubt, and the way
Speaker 1: that you play. Thank you, Thank you man. That means
Speaker 1: a lot to me. So just and getting into it.
Speaker 1: Number one, I want to ask you about your approach
Speaker 1: in TV because what I've seen is so many guys
Speaker 1: get up there and I try to be sure that
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it myself, but so many times you
Speaker 1: see guys get up there and they want to throw stones,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's specific. You get former players getting
Speaker 1: up there throwing stones at guys, acting acting as if
Speaker 1: they weren't players. But we always say, once you're a player,
Speaker 1: you're always a player, and you get so many guys
Speaker 1: that just go up there throwing stones, not standing up
Speaker 1: for guys acting like they were perfect when they played
Speaker 1: as if they ain't ever do, and you always take
Speaker 1: the opposite approach.
Speaker 3: Can you talk to me first off, just about that.
Speaker 3: We all get criticized. You know.
Speaker 1: I was told one day, if there's some truth in
Speaker 1: the criticism, you have to look at it different. Like
Speaker 1: Shaq could have been a great player ever, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't a great free throw shitter. Can't get mad at that.
Speaker 1: It's truth in that, right. So when I criticize players,
Speaker 1: I try to put some truth in it. Like for
Speaker 1: ten to fifty years, people think that I hate d way,
Speaker 1: I actually really love the way. A little bit of
Speaker 1: me probably a little bit more athletic and jump higher.
Speaker 1: I would always say you got an average twenty eight ten.
Speaker 1: I would always say you're not dominating. So hopefully he
Speaker 1: would get the message and say, fuck you, Shaq, this
Speaker 1: is what I gotta do. It's what Kareem abdu Jabard
Speaker 1: did to me. When I first got to LA I
Speaker 1: was putting up historical numbers and we was getting swept
Speaker 1: and Kareem's that one day they said, shack Man, Shacks
Speaker 1: are gonna be a great player like you. He said,
Speaker 1: is he really that great? They're not winning and he
Speaker 1: has G fourteen classification to say that, And you know,
Speaker 1: I could have took it as a jab, like Kareem,
Speaker 1: you're just hating because I'm averaging more points to you
Speaker 1: and I make moment, But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: he gave me the lesson inside the criticism. So when
Speaker 1: I criticize, I just try to give the lesson. And
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people take it the right way and
Speaker 1: sometimes people don't. But people like me and you, we
Speaker 1: have G fourteen classification. We know what it takes to
Speaker 1: play at a certain level, and we know what it
Speaker 1: takes to win the championship four times. So a lot
Speaker 1: of times when we say something like I know what
Speaker 1: the fuck I'm talking about. So and then a lot
Speaker 1: of times I test people out, I'm motherfuckers off to
Speaker 1: see what I'm dealing with. Same thing I did the Cope,
Speaker 1: same thing I did the Penny, same thing I did
Speaker 1: to d Wade. And if you respond and turn it
Speaker 1: into greatness, I know I'm dealing with a fucking dog.
Speaker 1: Like I jumped on Donovan one time and he kind
Speaker 1: of he kind of went, so I knew I had
Speaker 1: to handle him with with you know, kitting gloves. But
Speaker 1: so a lot of times I try to criticize and
Speaker 1: give you the answers, and a lot of times I
Speaker 1: just try to just say something hateful just to see
Speaker 1: who you are, because again, I wouldn't want to listen
Speaker 1: to a guy like me, because you know what, the
Speaker 1: best thing I did was listen to Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm motherfucker, he great, but he ain't
Speaker 1: that great and he ain't winning, and I'm looking up
Speaker 1: at the fucking Jerseys. I'm like, fuck, he right, I
Speaker 1: gotta start winning, you know. So you know, I try
Speaker 1: to protect the guys as you know, much as possible,
Speaker 1: but people like us don't. We don't have to hate
Speaker 1: like we actually know what we're talking about. And you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes guys understand it and sometimes they don't. Like the
Speaker 1: other day and it went viral. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I went went went viral. Joker is my guy. I'll
Speaker 1: always talked great about Joker, right absolutely, And I said
Speaker 1: to him, I said, Joker, I want you to hear
Speaker 1: this from me. Other people like Shannon Sharp don't get
Speaker 1: on they fucking podcast and twist and trying to make
Speaker 1: it look like I'm hating and I said, Yo, you're
Speaker 1: the best big man in the league. You're my favorite player.
Speaker 1: You're the vice president of the Big Man Alliance. However,
Speaker 1: I think SGA should have got MVP. Like when you're
Speaker 1: a man and you know you're dealing with another man,
Speaker 1: respect is a must. Like Draymond, you shouldn't have kicked
Speaker 1: them in the balls. I'm not hating. I'm just saying, bro,
Speaker 1: they need you for the next game. You should ain't
Speaker 1: like I'm hating. So you know, so for people who
Speaker 1: don't try to understand the clarity that we have and
Speaker 1: they try to make it something different.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad you asked that question.
Speaker 1: So again to your answer, I try to criticize, but
Speaker 1: give you the answers to the test, like, hey, you
Speaker 1: want to be dominant average twenty eight ten and you know, hey, Donovan,
Speaker 1: you ain't no superstar yet. I want you to sometimes
Speaker 1: say fuck shock and just go do what you do
Speaker 1: because if we protect this thing of ours, guy's gonna
Speaker 1: be making eighty or anything. They say that when this
Speaker 1: next deal come around, Luker gonna be making eighty. Man.
Speaker 1: That ain't because of me, that's because of doctor j.
Speaker 1: He gave it to Mike Man gave it to me.
Speaker 1: I gave it to Bron. Bron gave it to y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all about to give it to Luca Luke, about to
Speaker 1: give it to wom Beyona. So we have to make
Speaker 1: sure that you know, all these guys play at a
Speaker 1: high level and the ones that that really take it
Speaker 1: as hate, the ones that don't, that don't understand. I
Speaker 1: don't really care. You just mentioned Donovan when you said
Speaker 1: when you said he wasn't a superstar yet? Is he
Speaker 1: a superstar now? Has he crossed that now? Because that
Speaker 1: was like two three years ago when you said that
Speaker 1: he's close and you know, as you know, there's a
Speaker 1: fine luverer between fine line between a star and a
Speaker 1: superstar close. I would like to see him dominate more.
Speaker 1: Any guy that can put up numbers anytime he wants
Speaker 1: shows me that you're a puppy, but you can be
Speaker 1: trained to be a mean dog. You ever see a
Speaker 1: bunch of puppies and you're looking at that one puppies,
Speaker 1: that's the one you always pick because you be like,
Speaker 1: if he's aggressive right now, I could train him to
Speaker 1: be more aggressive. So like when I went at him,
Speaker 1: I made it seem like a disc but I wanted
Speaker 1: him to respond be like, Okay, watch this, because that's
Speaker 1: what all the Gretes do. I sit back and I
Speaker 1: still watch you today like I watched you when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. Only difference is then you were playing
Speaker 1: the game of basketball and now we're all watching you
Speaker 1: crush the game of life from a business perspective, just
Speaker 1: from a legend. And everything that you do, we're watching
Speaker 1: you do it at the highest level, and I admire that.
Speaker 1: And one question that I have for you is how
Speaker 1: is it that you have stayed human?
Speaker 3: And when I say stayed human, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You are.
Speaker 1: Seven to one, three hundred plus pounds African American man,
Speaker 1: so you're already bigger than everyone. That's a strike against
Speaker 1: you in height and mass. You're a black man in America,
Speaker 1: that's a strike against you.
Speaker 3: You are a legend.
Speaker 1: Most people won't believe it, but that's actually a strike
Speaker 1: against you. Because people put you on a pedestal. They
Speaker 1: want to tear you off the pedestal. Everything that you
Speaker 1: do is going to be criticized. How is it that
Speaker 1: you have stayed human to people like approachable? You know,
Speaker 1: no one's like people see you and they're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And like when I see you with people,
Speaker 1: you're immediately able to break that ice, Like how have
Speaker 1: you stayed that through the success and through all the
Speaker 1: things that are up against you, just naturally because of
Speaker 1: who you are in the way that you look. You know,
Speaker 1: when I first got drafts, I was making a lot
Speaker 1: of money and I took my mom to a restaurant.
Speaker 1: Was acting big Willie. I was acting like I was
Speaker 1: a shit and my mother was disappointed, and she said, son,
Speaker 1: it cost you nothing to be nice. So I dropped
Speaker 1: the arrogant thing now because you know, coming from where
Speaker 1: we come from, we didn't have anything, and now I
Speaker 1: got it. So that's my world. You're gonna do what
Speaker 1: the fuck out? You know, all that attitude. She's like,
Speaker 1: it cost you nothing to be nice. And then one
Speaker 1: time I was in LA and I was at a
Speaker 1: restaurant and I saw a superstar. I'm gonna say his name,
Speaker 1: but a kid came and asked for autograph. He fucking
Speaker 1: made the kid cry. And I always said to myself,
Speaker 1: I ever get the superstar status, I'm I always take
Speaker 1: care of the kids. My mama said, be nice, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take care of my family. Everything I do
Speaker 1: is for my family, especially my mother. You know where
Speaker 1: we played the game of basketball and they paid pay
Speaker 1: us a lot of money from two to seventeen. It
Speaker 1: hit me when I first got drafted. My mom never
Speaker 1: had her own house, and she never really had her
Speaker 1: own house. And like you know, they, you know, our parents,
Speaker 1: they give us the basics. Be respectful, go to school,
Speaker 1: get this education, and make sure you always work hard.
Speaker 1: That was, you know, the basis for a family. So
Speaker 1: when I said to myself, you know what, I'm about
Speaker 1: to buy my mama house, right, I'm about to buy
Speaker 1: my dad the same six hundred mestadies I got. I'm
Speaker 1: about to take care of my brother. I'm about to
Speaker 1: take care of my family. Now, there's many ways to
Speaker 1: lose that, you know, the ways to lose that. So
Speaker 1: you stay away from that and you lean towards the
Speaker 1: stuff that keeps it, you know, start businesses, you know,
Speaker 1: educate yourself on you know, financial stability or you know,
Speaker 1: financial wealth. Everything I do is for my family. And
Speaker 1: now that I have seven children, now I have to
Speaker 1: do and I have to say the right thing, good
Speaker 1: thing about me and my crew, is if I happen
Speaker 1: to get offline, they can check me. Like I did
Speaker 1: a little AI disc record. My mom wasn't happy with that,
Speaker 1: so I'm done with it. I ain't gonna say nothing
Speaker 1: else about it. So you know, that's you know, another
Speaker 1: attribute I have as I always listen. You know, the
Speaker 1: world famous Uncle Jerome absolutely the only one that could
Speaker 1: turn my motoro like he tell you bullshiting like I
Speaker 1: used to. You know, I got tired of duncan and
Speaker 1: go to my jump hook. So every now and then
Speaker 1: I like to shoot the fade away and I may miss,
Speaker 1: for as soon as I fucking hit one, I look
Speaker 1: at him and be like, don't nobody want to see
Speaker 1: that shit?
Speaker 3: Fuck that, don't shoot that dumbas shit.
Speaker 1: So you know, you have to listen sometimes and you
Speaker 1: have to, you know, follow your goals and you have
Speaker 1: to stick to your principles. You know, my mother is
Speaker 1: an avid TV watcher. I would never want to want
Speaker 1: to her sitting down seeing me do something crazy and
Speaker 1: then FOTM, don't fuck off the money, do not fuck
Speaker 1: off the money. So I try to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: I try to say the right thing, and just being nice.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty years old. No, no need for me to
Speaker 1: be arrogant towards anybody that looks up to me, looks
Speaker 1: up to me. No need for me to be arrogant
Speaker 1: towards anybody. You know, if you approach me the wrong way,
Speaker 1: I know how to reapproach you with that same energy.
Speaker 1: But listen, I'm a nice guy. I've fulfilled all my dreams.
Speaker 1: You know, all my children hate using this word, but
Speaker 1: I have seven perfect children, like they don't give me
Speaker 1: no problems. A couple in college, a couple of graduated.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my nephew, Miles Bailey. You just graduated.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help him get in law school. So you know,
Speaker 1: the family is very important to me. So again, I
Speaker 1: just try to do and just try to say the
Speaker 1: right thing. You know, keep my mouth shut. I don't
Speaker 1: get into the gossip mats and all that, and I
Speaker 1: just try to make people's mouth You did the unthinkable.
Speaker 1: We've seen a couple guys attempt to do it.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 1: I think the latest and most popular was Big Baller
Speaker 1: brand with the with the ball family, you start a
Speaker 1: shock the Parlin sneakers clothes and starting that as a
Speaker 1: household name as the Shaquille O'Neill most dominant player we've
Speaker 1: ever seen play. I remember sixth grade a pair of
Speaker 1: shoes that my grandfather bought me from Kmart, I want
Speaker 1: to say shacks. They were kind of all white with
Speaker 1: the black down the middle, like through the soul, through
Speaker 1: the tongue, kind of had like a and.
Speaker 3: Thirty bucks as a household name.
Speaker 1: As when people say premium, like you want to do
Speaker 1: premium things. You said, no, I'm gonna have these thirty
Speaker 1: dollars sneakers number one. How did you accomplish that? Because
Speaker 1: you're going up against Nike, you're now the president, Reebok.
Speaker 3: Owner and president and Rebok Adidas.
Speaker 1: You're going up against all these brands and you say, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do my own number I help me
Speaker 1: understand how did you go about that process? Who did
Speaker 1: you do it with? To help you understand the marketing
Speaker 1: and the distribution and all of those things. Initially to
Speaker 1: start it. So one day me and my cousin Kenny,
Speaker 1: we're leaving practice in Orlando Magic and Orlando Magic was
Speaker 1: the first marine I had was in the hood. So
Speaker 1: they used to come out shack shack uh. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Marquise Daniels when I was playing with him with Boston
Speaker 1: one time. He said, Yo, man, you don't remember me,
Speaker 1: and I said no, and he showed me a picture.
Speaker 1: He was one of those kids I used to always
Speaker 1: come and get all the graph jersey and get tickets
Speaker 1: and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one day me and my cousin Kenny, we walking
Speaker 1: out the back of this lady. She's coming, she's, you know,
Speaker 1: dragging us on, and she's not smiling. The boy's shack shacks.
Speaker 1: She's not smiling, and she's like, you motherfucking I was like,
Speaker 1: what did I do?
Speaker 3: I don't know you.
Speaker 1: You motherfuckers got these high ass motherfuckers niggers my baby.
Speaker 1: You know he want these fucking high ass reboxing. I
Speaker 1: can't afford him, so, you know, me, I had a
Speaker 1: couple of stacks. I was like, man, I don't do
Speaker 1: the price point. Here's the money, and she smacked the
Speaker 1: money out of my hand. I want that, won't you
Speaker 1: motherfuckers make an affordable shoe. And I'm riding in the
Speaker 1: car and I'm thinking, I was like, that was my
Speaker 1: mom and me. I asked my dad for some jorings.
Speaker 1: Tell that motherfucker looked at me like, man, you back,
Speaker 1: get the fuck out my face. He looked at me
Speaker 1: like that. I had to cut grass and fucking wash
Speaker 1: car and sell lemonade and all that bullshit. And then
Speaker 1: by the time I got my one hundred and ten dollars,
Speaker 1: I was scade fifteen. I bought some thirteen. That's why
Speaker 1: my toes all fucked. I ain't gonna show my toes
Speaker 1: on you, but that's something like I tried to squeeze
Speaker 1: those Jordan, So all that shit was going back to me,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, call Reebo can tell
Speaker 1: him after this, I'm gonna do my own thing. So
Speaker 1: if you look at this brand right here, and we're
Speaker 1: all creatures, creatures of our environment, Jordan has to what
Speaker 1: jump man And this is the dunk Man. So when
Speaker 1: I was in college one time the professor said, create
Speaker 1: something that you can see being sold in the future.
Speaker 1: And you know me, shack shirt, shack draws sign suck.
Speaker 1: So I you know, I was in the marketing class,
Speaker 1: I was in business class. So I patting it the
Speaker 1: dunk make be cause that's how I dunk. I tried
Speaker 1: to put my nuts in your face. So that right
Speaker 1: here dunk Man was created in eighty nine ninety and
Speaker 1: I was going and then I was talking to my
Speaker 1: dad about it. I was like, this shit might not work.
Speaker 1: I'm going up against these powerhouses. And he said something,
Speaker 1: He said, there's more poor people than there are rich people.
Speaker 1: I was like, shit, So, you know, I think it
Speaker 1: only worked because I was a household name.
Speaker 3: You know that. Of course you had Jordan and all
Speaker 3: those guys.
Speaker 1: But I was saying, I'm shock and the only thing
Speaker 1: that took me a while to get is even though
Speaker 1: they're thirty dollars, you can't make them look like they're
Speaker 1: thirty dollars because you know how we get fucking criticized
Speaker 1: in the hood, and like people always hear stories how
Speaker 1: people used to get bullied for wearing my shoes. That's
Speaker 1: because their mindset what wasn't right. I never made shoes
Speaker 1: that looked like thirty dollars. I ever went over the
Speaker 1: china and be like, mother fuck, I want the same leather,
Speaker 1: I want the same everything. So I just tried to
Speaker 1: keep the price pointing down. And that's why I did that,
Speaker 1: because you know, it was the right thing to do,
Speaker 1: and you know, when it was it was Rebuck another
Speaker 1: person than me. Now it's just me and the shoe
Speaker 1: manufactured guy. So you know, if you could go with Walmart,
Speaker 1: who has fifty thousand doors, k Mart got that and
Speaker 1: then it was a it was a no brainer. And
Speaker 1: then you get with all these companies and they say, okay,
Speaker 1: we don't want to shut brand. Let's say okay, so
Speaker 1: I'll just create the dunk Man brand. So dunk Man
Speaker 1: was at k Mart and Shaq was at Walmart, and
Speaker 1: I was just and I just sat back. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like you know because listen, back then when I first
Speaker 1: came in, brother, I had so much money.
Speaker 3: I didn't need no more money.
Speaker 1: So I was like, if I don't make money, cool,
Speaker 1: But you know, I got a report one day they said, bro,
Speaker 1: you don't sold since you started this, you know, sold
Speaker 1: two fifty it's up to about four hundred million pair now.
Speaker 1: But now where I got this new company, and we're
Speaker 1: coming with that funk now were about to so we
Speaker 1: were downstairs, so we're about to come mid level. And
Speaker 1: then you know, even even you know upstairs, because Magic
Speaker 1: Johnson said something to me very important. He says, its
Speaker 1: okay to be the man. But at some point you
Speaker 1: want to start owning things.
Speaker 3: So this is what I own.
Speaker 1: This is mine, and you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: liking and respect it, and I'm gonna keep giving them
Speaker 1: stuff that looks good, but at a price they can afford.
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, a friend of mine introduced me to
Speaker 1: authentic brand groups. I had no clue what the fuck
Speaker 1: it was, what they did, what it meant, how you
Speaker 1: go about it. As I've gained more business knowledge and contacts,
Speaker 1: I've learned more about what it is. And when I
Speaker 1: was introduced to authentic Brands Group, I was actually introduced
Speaker 1: to it by this is who Shack just partnered with.
Speaker 3: And I thought it.
Speaker 1: Was a very interesting lesson for me because it was
Speaker 1: this is who Shacks just partnered with, not this is
Speaker 1: who Shacks just sold his company to.
Speaker 3: Can you walk me through that process?
Speaker 1: Off, you partner with authentic brand groups but necessarily didn't
Speaker 1: take all cash.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Ever, since a youngster, jealousy motivates me. Jealous of
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, I wish I could fucking shoot like that.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous of Clay. I wish my jump shot was
Speaker 1: that motherfucking pretty like I'm jealous of Brown he's almost
Speaker 1: a billionaire.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Instead of taking that jealousy and turning the hate, it
Speaker 1: turns into motivation. So I'm walking down Hollywood Boulevard and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how the fuck is Elvis who's been dead
Speaker 1: for six years still make money? So now I start
Speaker 1: studying because Bro, I'm walking down Holly every fucking store,
Speaker 1: bro Elvis shirts, hats, And this is towards the end
Speaker 1: of shack and you know how that is towards the ending.
Speaker 1: Motherfuckers act like they forget who you are. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what fuck that? I want to left forever.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm seeing all this Elvis and Marilyn Monroe shit.
Speaker 1: So I did my research and I met with two
Speaker 1: companies and I was like, hey, I want to you know,
Speaker 1: this is who I am, and this is what I built,
Speaker 1: you know, me Mike and Perry and Colin and leonnond Romanlo,
Speaker 1: this is what we built to be interested, you know,
Speaker 1: doing a partnership with it. And the first companies say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we want to buy, we want to own it. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: how much you talking?
Speaker 3: Nope?
Speaker 1: And then you know I've met with you know, authentic brands.
Speaker 1: They said, hey, yeah, we want to buy. I want
Speaker 1: to be your partners. I said, well, can I invest
Speaker 1: in your company? So they wrote me a big check
Speaker 1: and I wrote them a big check. And now I'm
Speaker 1: the number two. And basically what this does is just
Speaker 1: make sure my name lists forever. And if it doesn't
Speaker 1: lift forever, all the brands that we own my business
Speaker 1: still lift together. And again, it's all about family. I
Speaker 1: have seven kids. You know, my kids got mad at
Speaker 1: me because I you know, I did a little speech
Speaker 1: and I was trying to be funny, but I was serious.
Speaker 3: We're not rich.
Speaker 1: I'm rich, so I want them to be able to
Speaker 1: work and understand, and you know, because like I always
Speaker 1: show them what respectable nepotism is. I took my second son, Charief,
Speaker 1: with me to a business conference and he was amazed
Speaker 1: at the Walmart family will make every member that wants
Speaker 1: to be where I work with the family, make them
Speaker 1: take an aptitude test. And however you score on the test,
Speaker 1: that's where you're gonna start at. So one guy who
Speaker 1: was part of the Walmart family was very wealthy. He's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't take the test seriously. So my uncle made
Speaker 1: me shuffle shit for two years at the horse farm,
Speaker 1: but teaching them the business of horse manure business. And
Speaker 1: I was so like he learned that, so charife was
Speaker 1: a made. I was like, this is how it works,
Speaker 1: my brother. I'm here, but only the kids can take it.
Speaker 1: Boom boom boom boom man. And that's what I'm you know,
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, show my kids. A lot of
Speaker 1: people in your position, with the amount of wealth that
Speaker 1: you accumulated, they most people do one of two things.
Speaker 1: They passed their money only their hairs. And some people
Speaker 1: do what called ruling it from the grave, where if
Speaker 1: you die, they got for ravens that they can't get
Speaker 1: out of to protect people. Others give it away like
Speaker 1: you got these different given pleasures and different things nowadays,
Speaker 1: and they.
Speaker 3: Give it all the charity.
Speaker 1: What is your mindset around your children and how you
Speaker 1: either give them money as they become adults or when
Speaker 1: you die, or like, nah, I works for this and
Speaker 1: you need to learn to go work on your own
Speaker 1: and I'm giving it all the way.
Speaker 3: What's your approach to.
Speaker 1: Those I told my kids all the time, we don't
Speaker 1: need another basketball player in the family. Give me a lawyer,
Speaker 1: give me a veterinarian, give me a hedgphune operator. So
Speaker 1: they get something. But the higher they go in education,
Speaker 1: the more they get. And you know, I tell them
Speaker 1: all the time, I said, school is important. Education is
Speaker 1: important to me. You know, I wasn't the smartest guy
Speaker 1: in the book, but you know I took things that
Speaker 1: were very hard and broke it down to a simple
Speaker 1: as form. Like you know, when I was learning business
Speaker 1: and school, I really didn't understand it until I got
Speaker 1: with a businessman and he showed me what a joint
Speaker 1: venture was. He showed me what a you know, sub
Speaker 1: chapter S corporation is. So I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is what it means to get education. So I just
Speaker 1: tell them, whatever it is you want to do, let
Speaker 1: me know. I'll hook you up and I'll start you off,
Speaker 1: and once you master that, we'll be on our way.
Speaker 1: And again, I hate you nothing that that pe word,
Speaker 1: but I got I don't have no problem to none
Speaker 1: of my babies, none at all.
Speaker 3: Man, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Getting into the basketball you had the opportunity to play
Speaker 1: with and in a major way, d Wade, Kobe, and Penny.
Speaker 1: You played with Brin. To me, that was kind of
Speaker 1: the tell end of your career. Like it wasn't your
Speaker 1: as shocked dominant as you were with those guys. When
Speaker 1: you look at those three guys, though, rate them. It's
Speaker 1: tough to rate them because we speak a language. Right
Speaker 1: if I say in our language, but it gets out
Speaker 1: not saying that you show would do that. But even
Speaker 1: if you put out a clip, the ones that don't
Speaker 1: comprehend our language, that try to make it look like
Speaker 1: I'm rating them, But I'm gonna rate him because you're
Speaker 1: a good friend of nobody, and he asked me to
Speaker 1: do it. Kobe number one, he had the Master kill
Speaker 1: him in Dellity, and I like to say I help
Speaker 1: him get that because when he first came in, I
Speaker 1: put the Donovan tests on. I fuck you ain't shit,
Speaker 1: I don't shoot fuck that, and it would drive him crazy.
Speaker 1: You know you talk about the six five six hours
Speaker 1: a day in the gym. Yeah, he did that just
Speaker 1: so he could shut me the fuck up. And I
Speaker 1: loved it because I already knew what I was gonna do.
Speaker 1: I already knew I was gonna get you twenty eight
Speaker 1: ten in the playoffs, thirty five whatever, but I needed
Speaker 1: another guy, and I always used to piss him off.
Speaker 1: You know you know this very well. I don't know
Speaker 1: how your team was, but you know for a fact,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be like this to win the championship.
Speaker 1: You do not on the court you have to be
Speaker 1: like this, but attitudes and minute you don't have to
Speaker 1: be like that. So, you know, we used to always
Speaker 1: go at it and it was I don't want to
Speaker 1: say my fault, but I knew what the fuck I
Speaker 1: was doing because when he came in, he showed me
Speaker 1: that he wanted to be a dog. He was that
Speaker 1: puppy that was nibbling on a chair and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: watch this, motherfuck. He ain't nah fuck, don't shoot shoot
Speaker 1: it again, motherfucker want so like he just shoot to
Speaker 1: piss mother. And then by the time he got into
Speaker 1: itself and I kind of had to make a decision like,
Speaker 1: you know, feels like listen, let him do what he
Speaker 1: doing the fourth quarter. And once I made that decision,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, and then we was because like,
Speaker 1: first three quarter, give me the fucking ball, let me
Speaker 1: do what I'm gonna do, let me get us in
Speaker 1: the penalty. And then because I'm not a great free
Speaker 1: throw shooter, fourth quarter, I'll step back and you do
Speaker 1: what you do. And we did that, and you know
Speaker 1: he sacrificed. He did because he all those finals where
Speaker 1: he helped me win the championship. He damn sure could
Speaker 1: have easily got found with the MVP. But that was
Speaker 1: our plan, big dog E for the first three and
Speaker 1: the fourth I takeover And my favorite game in Indiana
Speaker 1: was our first championship where I filed out and I
Speaker 1: looked at him. I was like this, if we lose,
Speaker 1: it's all my fucking fuck, shacky, motherfucker. You want to
Speaker 1: be a rapper, you're doing movies and you ain't contentrating
Speaker 1: on your free throws. I don't know what my percentage was,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't black Steph Curry like, so I already
Speaker 1: know if we fucking lose this series gonna be my fuck.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Kobe, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Do me like that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and that mo fucker he had an incredible
Speaker 1: four or five like in it, And then I knew
Speaker 1: then we was gonna win out win our first championship.
Speaker 1: So him for that Penny ultimate team player and mofucker.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know the story, but
Speaker 1: at my second my first movie no second movie, Blue Chips.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was already a problem for me
Speaker 1: to go fucking shooting movies. You're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to work out. So it was in my contract I
Speaker 1: got to work out from eight to twelve. So they
Speaker 1: built a little fucking gym and I got all the
Speaker 1: NBA players that run down and this motherfucker is diaming
Speaker 1: me up like crazy six seven.
Speaker 3: My fuck's smooth and I'm.
Speaker 1: Running and as soon as I go like that, the
Speaker 1: fucking balls there, I'm spending. He throwing the libs. I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, man, who the fuck is this actor?
Speaker 1: Cause you know, you know we on the movie. They said,
Speaker 1: that's Penny Hardaway. And I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: I don't be looking at college players seeing who the
Speaker 1: fuck coming. I got ship to do, so I don't
Speaker 1: know who the fuck is this dude. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: that's fucking Penny Hardaway. And I can remember before I left,
Speaker 1: you know, us losing and getting swept. These scott come
Speaker 1: to me and say, Yo, man, you gotta fucking takeover
Speaker 1: because I'm the I'm the military kid, I'm the discipline kid. Yes, sir, no, sir,
Speaker 1: whatever you say sir these Scott was like, man, fuck that,
Speaker 1: you gotta take over. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna try it. Hey, man, you know who
Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway is. Yeah, we might not get him. We
Speaker 1: want the first pig we want to go with Seawe.
Speaker 1: Nowh fuck that, You're gonna have to get Penny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can get Penny. Listen, what
Speaker 1: the fuck I'm telling you right now? My dealer is
Speaker 1: up in two years. If you don't give me what
Speaker 1: I wanted to help me win this championship, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to look elsewhere. So me and Kenny and Uncle
Speaker 1: Jerome we have the house. We watching the draft, they
Speaker 1: draft Chris Webber. I'm fucking picking up lamps. I'm just
Speaker 1: tearing the motherfucking house upart because I'm like, these motherfuckers
Speaker 1: didn't listen to me. They tested me. You know, because
Speaker 1: now that I put myself in charge, motherfucker, I'm in charge,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do the fuck I say, or
Speaker 1: else I'm gonna have to go thwirl where they're gonna
Speaker 1: let me be in charge. So I'm tearing the fucking
Speaker 1: house up and going crazy. Kenny and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: wrest me to the floor and then they say, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: the Onlando Magic make a trade with the Golden State
Speaker 1: Warriors for Penny for Chris, and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: they did it.
Speaker 3: They listened to me.
Speaker 1: So now de Scott them don't know what I got
Speaker 1: because I don't know if they know Penny, but I
Speaker 1: know this motherfucker is nice. So him and d Wade
Speaker 1: our first argument was in the finals, we go down,
Speaker 1: Oh two, I'm declining the shack. I'm going through divorce.
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked. I have my first two games fucking
Speaker 1: terrible offer. So I'll pull d Wade in the room.
Speaker 1: The fuck you gonna do? Man, motherfucker you want to
Speaker 1: be the man? What the fuck are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: And he was he's he had a looker. It wasn't
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to fight. I was just asking the question.
Speaker 1: He had a look at relief like, oh, I can't say, yeah, mofuck,
Speaker 1: I got four people on me. I just took well.
Speaker 1: In the future, I'm gonna talk to my good friend Draymond.
Speaker 1: He he gonna tell me they're gonna put a motherfucker
Speaker 1: in front of me behind me. That's the fuck they're
Speaker 1: doing to me right now. What the fuck are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? Though, and he he said, okay, shack and
Speaker 1: he went off. So it's not that I'm rating them,
Speaker 1: even though I answer you a question. I was fortunate
Speaker 1: enough to play with three of the greatest guards and Bron.
Speaker 1: Bron had so much power, Like when I got there,
Speaker 1: I've never seen a young kid with that much power
Speaker 1: and deserbingly so like he had everything in order, and
Speaker 1: it was just so and I think we could have
Speaker 1: we could have possibly went further. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember we were when first the whole year, Big
Speaker 1: Baby broke my thumb and I was out.
Speaker 3: I came back. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know at that time was already declined
Speaker 1: to shack and you break my thumb and then I
Speaker 1: got to sit out five weeks and then try to
Speaker 1: come back and beat a Boston team. It wasn't gonna happen,
Speaker 1: because you know, at that point, I was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta get fucking five before he did. I already got four,
Speaker 1: and this motherfucker I got so I was I was
Speaker 1: marine chasing, but you know, I was just you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, I want to just try to step
Speaker 1: in and you know, help people. And then when I
Speaker 1: went to Boston, same thing. I thought we could have
Speaker 1: made it pretty far. But I told my Achilles, But
Speaker 1: you know, I hate rating those guys because I don't
Speaker 1: want ignorant people don't understand our language, that try to
Speaker 1: twist it up. And oh he said Coolby was better.
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying all those
Speaker 1: guys had different attributes and they were great players. Do
Speaker 1: you regret and so you went so hard for Penny,
Speaker 1: for Orlando to get Penny, do you regret leaving Orlando
Speaker 1: as soon as you did, you know, not seeing it
Speaker 1: through with Penny the whole way.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: And the reason is I am programmed to Once you
Speaker 1: make a decision, you live with that decision, right or wrong.
Speaker 1: And you know one thing about my agent at the time,
Speaker 1: who Lennon ar Model was. He informed me about business.
Speaker 1: I knew where the money was going, you know when
Speaker 1: I came in, you know, because I think what even
Speaker 1: got me interested in playing basketball, John Concak was making
Speaker 1: fifteen for three. I was at home one day my
Speaker 1: father smacked me in the back of the head with
Speaker 1: a paper because I was a medium level juvenile the linker.
Speaker 1: I was like you, I was a fucking football guy,
Speaker 1: so I used to like to bring that pain. So
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, and then my high school
Speaker 1: coach said, you ain't gonna make it. I ain't had
Speaker 1: no scholarships. I already had a plan to join the
Speaker 1: fucking army. I already knew the army life was a
Speaker 1: good life. On a join the army. My father smacked
Speaker 1: the shit on me one day with a paper. Look
Speaker 1: at this and it was John Conckak. No disrespect to John,
Speaker 1: because you know I ended up playing with Johnny. He's
Speaker 1: a great fellow. And he said, hey, look at this, dude.
Speaker 1: So we got the fifteen for three. I ain't the
Speaker 1: smartest guy to where I know that's five in a year.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching John Concack play and San Antonio himis
Speaker 1: fer Arena, and I'm like, damn, I'm like this now.
Speaker 1: So now I really started taking basketball serious. And I
Speaker 1: had a guy that I met in Germany and the
Speaker 1: name of Dale Brown. He already offered me the scholarships.
Speaker 1: Already know I'm going to LSU. So you know, my
Speaker 1: agent kept telling me how the money's gonna be a lot.
Speaker 1: So when he said, when I first got dryed how
Speaker 1: much you want? I was like, I don't know. Six
Speaker 1: melli a year. He's like, nah, man, we're gonna ask
Speaker 1: for fifty. And I was like, what he said, We're
Speaker 1: going to ask for fifty. I ended up getting forty
Speaker 1: for seven. I think I was the first to do this.
Speaker 1: He's like, but I'm gonna put the clause in there
Speaker 1: you can do something after three after four, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, sounds good. So when it came back
Speaker 1: around to Orlando, now everybody was talking about one hundred million.
Speaker 1: I want to be the first hundred million. You got
Speaker 1: a guy, it was mine, So I started high, I said,
Speaker 1: and they said no. And then here during the Olympics
Speaker 1: ninety six, me and uncle Jerome we had Magic City
Speaker 1: doing what we do a Magic City, and my agent
Speaker 1: call it's like two thirty am, said I got a
Speaker 1: call and need you to come to this hotel except
Speaker 1: for he said come. So I get there and it's
Speaker 1: the Great Jerry West and I just always saying we
Speaker 1: play leers. Never really met him, but of course I
Speaker 1: know it is. I shake his hand, he said he
Speaker 1: want the good news to the bad news. I said,
Speaker 1: I don't want the bad news. He said, I couldn't
Speaker 1: get you to one fifty. I said, what's the good news.
Speaker 1: We can get you one twenty. But he's like, you
Speaker 1: got to sign right now. So I was like, And
Speaker 1: then I told Leonard, I said Carl Orlando. He said
Speaker 1: they they weren't even close. So hey, my mom, my
Speaker 1: mom needs a new house. Even though she didn't, that's
Speaker 1: all I'm thinking about. So I went that. So even
Speaker 1: though I always think about what me and Penny could
Speaker 1: have done, it's not a decision I regret because when
Speaker 1: it comes to family and it comes to making decisions,
Speaker 1: I make the decision as a leader, as a general,
Speaker 1: and if it happened to be the wrong decision, that's
Speaker 1: something that I can live with. You said something when
Speaker 1: you were just discussing Kobe, Uh, you were discussing Kobe,
Speaker 1: what y'all did in the fourth quarter? You said, quarters
Speaker 1: one through three, I dominate, and then we let Kobe
Speaker 1: take over in the fourth. And I recently was just
Speaker 1: on Instagram, maybe a week ago and not even a
Speaker 1: week ago, and Gilbert Arenez on his podcast was talking
Speaker 1: about Joker and saying, you know, when it's time to
Speaker 1: get a bucket, the ball always go to Jamal Murray
Speaker 1: towards the end of the game.
Speaker 3: So how can you say he's the best player?
Speaker 1: Uh talking about Joker because Jamal Murray get those last
Speaker 1: shots and you pretty much just said that's what me
Speaker 1: and Kobe did, like I did this and then we
Speaker 1: let him go. Then, So what do you make of
Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas statement about Joker saying he's not as good
Speaker 1: because Jamal Murray gets the ball down the stretch, he
Speaker 1: takes all the big shots, being that he was a
Speaker 1: part of us, he has that G fourteen classification. But
Speaker 1: Joker is really good and Jamal is really good. That's
Speaker 1: just the way that their team is set up up.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the most Valuable Player, I always
Speaker 1: thought it meant the baddest mother fucking the league, like
Speaker 1: your guy who made history which should have been my history,
Speaker 1: the most dominant, I mean, the unanimous MVP. He's the
Speaker 1: baddest motherfucker in the league. I don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: what your record is, what where you all at one
Speaker 1: through eight? He's the badest mother fucking league. That's the
Speaker 1: most viable player. To me, I don't understand what the
Speaker 1: classifications are best player on the best team. We as players,
Speaker 1: we know who the baddest motherfucker is. We know who
Speaker 1: the strongest is, we know who the better we know
Speaker 1: you know, all these voters sometimes they just sometimes they
Speaker 1: just get with their favorites and they stick with their favorites.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fucking criteria is. So you
Speaker 1: know what, I think the point that you know giber
Speaker 1: was trying to make is, Okay, if he's the baddest guy,
Speaker 1: why is he getting the ball? Sometimes you got to
Speaker 1: do that. Like, you know, Shannon Sharp said something the
Speaker 1: other day, Oh, Shaq wasn't the best player on the team.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: I'm not better than fucking Penny all the way, not
Speaker 1: better than Kobe Browann, not better than d Way. But
Speaker 1: I'm the baddest motherfucker on them. That's what I always
Speaker 1: try to be. I always try to be the biggest, baddest,
Speaker 1: my fuck all that bad bro. I wasn't better than
Speaker 1: the lines of Morning Christian Laightner coming out of college,
Speaker 1: but I was the baddest motherfucker. That's why I got
Speaker 1: picked number one. So you know, a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like if you got G fourteen classification, I'll let you
Speaker 1: say what you want. If you don't, I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: let you like I'm I'm you know, sometimes people take
Speaker 1: our niceness for granted. And I'm big on G fourteen classification.
Speaker 1: So I don't have a problem with what Gilbert said.
Speaker 1: He's been there, he's done that, he was with us.
Speaker 1: I understand that. But you know, all opinions are subjective.
Speaker 1: You either agree or you disagree. Ronald, we have now
Speaker 1: in this world. As somebody say something you don't like it,
Speaker 1: you want to take it and put it in anything.
Speaker 1: Just that's cool too, but just make you sure you
Speaker 1: have that G fourteen classification. And G fourteen classification gets
Speaker 1: you in the building. We have ranks me and you
Speaker 1: have the highest fucking ranks me, you, Steph Cole Magic
Speaker 1: were on the top on the fucking floor. A lot
Speaker 1: of guys are in the building, but they don't have
Speaker 1: the same you know, right to say certain things as
Speaker 1: we do. But again I'll have a problem with I
Speaker 1: do even have a problem with he said where I
Speaker 1: hate all centers, I don't hate all senters. I never
Speaker 1: said anything bad about Joker. I just think they they
Speaker 1: thought I was trying to be funny when I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, no, I want you to hear from me first, joker,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you like a man, You my guy,
Speaker 1: I love you. But as she ay, she got an
Speaker 1: MVP that I ain't know this. But again I did it,
Speaker 1: and I slowed it down so people can understand that.
Speaker 1: And I even add, hey, this is no disrespect to you,
Speaker 1: and they still take it and twist it. And all
Speaker 1: shack hates all big men. Don't hate all big men.
Speaker 1: I hate all big men that don't play like fucking
Speaker 1: big man. That's what I hate. A couple more questions
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. The modern day big joker. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know those guys Joel Wimby, I'm jealous of them.
Speaker 1: Why wish I could step out and shoot the three brother?
Speaker 1: You know why I call myself black Stuff Curry Because
Speaker 1: if I go to the gym and miss one hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety fucking threes and make one on the black
Speaker 1: Stuff Curry, that shit fucking feel good to step out
Speaker 1: and shoot that three bro. But again, you gotta understand
Speaker 1: about me jealous. When I'm jealous, I'm not envious. I'm
Speaker 1: jealous to fucking motivate me. So every now and then
Speaker 1: I go out there and try to Clay Thompson my shit,
Speaker 1: and just you know, I built the corporate I just
Speaker 1: go out there and try to shoot. I'm jealous of
Speaker 1: them because I wish I was allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, back then I would every now and then
Speaker 1: take and go coast to coach, the coach and looking
Speaker 1: at me crazy. So they're they're allowed to do it. Indeed,
Speaker 1: is a mixture of me in the post and a
Speaker 1: chemo ije run outside and joker he's man. I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure who he reminded me of. I was
Speaker 1: thinking a little brad Daughtery, a little Sabonis in the
Speaker 1: eighty four land, Like his game is just nice, and
Speaker 1: I like people that play at that pace. I asked
Speaker 1: you about Luca one time. I was like, he's really
Speaker 1: that nice, and he was like, yeah, the motherfucker's strong
Speaker 1: and he played at his pace. So I really like
Speaker 1: those guys. Any other big wom Bigianna's is different. He's
Speaker 1: he's he's he's thin, but like he he does some stuff.
Speaker 1: He's he's he's really different. As the president of the
Speaker 1: Big man alliance. I really like those three guys. Any
Speaker 1: other big guys, I'm not really feeling so when he
Speaker 1: say I hate all big men, I don't hate all
Speaker 1: big men. Just don't like the big men that don't
Speaker 1: play like big men. Do you think there would be
Speaker 1: any benefit to Joel at times saying oh, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm and I'm channeling my inner shock right now
Speaker 1: for fuck shack, just play, just play the odds. If
Speaker 1: I got a guy six seven on me, I'm not
Speaker 1: shooting no jumper, even if I know how to shoot
Speaker 1: the jumper one, I'm gonna try to get him in
Speaker 1: foul trouble, get my team in a penalty, and the
Speaker 1: percentages go up when you move closer to the basket.
Speaker 1: It's just so you know why you want to drive
Speaker 1: between your legs and shoot jumpers, like when listen, when
Speaker 1: it goes in, looks pretty, but when it doesn't go
Speaker 1: off and playoff situations, you're going to have to live
Speaker 1: with that. Oh you're the only MVP who never made
Speaker 1: out the first round, and I know guys don't want
Speaker 1: to live with that. So I just want him to
Speaker 1: just you know, play, play, play to his ability, Like
Speaker 1: if you got another agile, big guy. You take him
Speaker 1: out and you go around them. But anybody that's smaller
Speaker 1: than you, you got to go on the post and
Speaker 1: then go to work. And then once they w you
Speaker 1: make it easier for Maxie actually a good player. But
Speaker 1: if he don't have to work as hard, I think
Speaker 1: he can. I think he can be a lot better
Speaker 1: like Maxie was doing it. And he's younger than that.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to make the game easy for Penny,
Speaker 1: Kobe and d Way.
Speaker 3: Let me.
Speaker 1: Let me, let me go down here and jump with
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers to death, and then when they start filing
Speaker 1: and doing stuffing, I'm gonna kick to you.
Speaker 3: Then y'all go to work. So that's what I think
Speaker 3: about Joe.
Speaker 1: Last couple questions, Uh, you shit has been what thirteen
Speaker 1: years now?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Thirteen. You took you and you took.
Speaker 1: On another role in what you've been doing at TNT
Speaker 1: with the sid NBA crew. What did you first think
Speaker 1: you was getting yourself into as opposed to what it's
Speaker 1: turned into. I wanted to be the black Brian Gumble
Speaker 1: and use big words and do all that, and TNT said, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: we'll fire your ass tomorrow. Be you, and I think
Speaker 1: that's what makes our show the best show out there.
Speaker 1: G fourteen Classification, Barkley All the Famous Shack, All of
Speaker 1: the Fam, McKinney, two time champion, Ernie, best analysts in
Speaker 1: the world. Yes, but you guys can be yourself and
Speaker 1: we make fun of people. We crack jokes, We do
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Because you also have to realize
Speaker 1: I have to watching two games. Good games are bad games.
Speaker 3: The fans that.
Speaker 1: Are real people don't have to work in the morning.
Speaker 1: If we're going to keep you up ast your bedtime,
Speaker 1: at least we want to do is entertain you. And
Speaker 1: I think the reason why they hired you. You're very
Speaker 1: intelligent and you're definitely one of us. You know how
Speaker 1: to crack jokes. You and Charles are also y'all have
Speaker 1: me roller so welcome to the team, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're here. But I didn't really know what I was
Speaker 1: getting myself into. But I t k he was a
Speaker 1: producer there. He's like, we don't want you follow that shit.
Speaker 1: Just talk about your experiences, talk about what you know.
Speaker 1: And he said, he said, people know you know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about because you did it. Because you did it.
Speaker 1: And uh so they just you know told me to
Speaker 1: just you know, be myself. I wish I could talk more.
Speaker 1: Charles is good at fucking talking, and then when you
Speaker 1: supposed to fucking rotate, he'll say something. And that's why
Speaker 1: I snapped on his I said, Yo, motherfucker one two
Speaker 1: three and not one two and back to the motherfucking one.
Speaker 1: He like cutting motherfuckers off, repeating hisself like, like, bro,
Speaker 1: you said that ship. I've been here twelve years. You
Speaker 1: say the same shit every year, Chris Paul the grizzly motherfucker,
Speaker 1: we heard that say something different.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: We had we had Chuck on the show a couple
Speaker 1: of years agoing I asked them, y'all get into these
Speaker 1: he arguments. Do you ever really get pissed off? No,
Speaker 1: because it's a perfect story. I'm like you, I'm up,
Speaker 1: I will fight you and do whatever. So one time
Speaker 1: this motherfucker and like, I never had no problem with Charles.
Speaker 1: I it's the same way you looked up to me.
Speaker 1: I looked up to Charles. Charles let me know it
Speaker 1: was okay to elbow motherfucking the mouth. My father used
Speaker 1: to said, well, you need to be like Barkley and
Speaker 1: knock him up. So in college and even in the league.
Speaker 1: So we're playing in Houston one day, Charles is older.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker hit me in the head with the ball.
Speaker 1: I can't let that shake slide. I can't go back
Speaker 1: to any barbershop, any motherfucking crib.
Speaker 3: Nothing. Now.
Speaker 1: I gotta knock this motherfucker out. But the mistake was
Speaker 1: I made was I leaned too far to the left
Speaker 1: and he went that way. I wanted to throw the
Speaker 1: left because I wanted him to come inside. I was
Speaker 1: gonna try to knock that motherfucker's head off to let
Speaker 1: him know, like, hey, I ain't want these motherfuckers. You
Speaker 1: can throw the ball at so Bro. By the time
Speaker 1: I got to the motherfucking tunnel, Uncle Jerome had to
Speaker 1: meet the phone and I'm like hello, and it was
Speaker 1: my mom and Charles mom on the phone. They's like, y'all,
Speaker 1: shit be doing. I was like, who's this. She's like,
Speaker 1: my mom, check, this is Charles mom. So you know
Speaker 1: when it's mom. Even though I'm mad at him, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be like fucking yes, ma'am, y'all stop that ship.
Speaker 1: I don't already talk to Charles, y'all, y'all that shit out.
Speaker 1: And you know she she was not ghetto, but she was.
Speaker 3: She was hard.
Speaker 1: She was like, y'all, cut that shit out, y'all don't
Speaker 1: need to be fighting. So mama dropped that final order.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go against my mama ever. So I'm
Speaker 1: walking down the hall. He walking down the hall. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him like mofucker, even though my mama said
Speaker 1: that you make a move a woman knock there. So
Speaker 1: he started laughing and I started laughing, and then I
Speaker 1: finally see my mom sayd what was that about? She said,
Speaker 1: me and me and Charles MoMA been best friend for
Speaker 1: thirty years. Crazy. Yeah, So one time I seen them
Speaker 1: playing cards. It's the same shit, me and Charles. Do
Speaker 1: you know know I'm playing no motherfucking state like they.
Speaker 1: But it's respectful. So even though we argue, I know,
Speaker 1: as a man you can't disrespect another man. I think
Speaker 1: like men that have the same principles, you can talk
Speaker 1: to each other same way. Like my little guy over there,
Speaker 1: that's my cousin. We grow up together. We fight every
Speaker 1: fucking day, but we don't disrespect each other. And the
Speaker 1: fact that we don't disrespect each other. You can say
Speaker 1: that you got to say. I'll say what I gotta say.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm never mad at him to the
Speaker 1: point where I wanted to beat him up, because one
Speaker 1: my mom would be upset. His mom passed away. She
Speaker 1: was so nice my mom, she would be upset. So
Speaker 1: even if he said something crazy, I know you not
Speaker 1: disrespect me. I know it's just Charles. I'll just let
Speaker 1: it go before we get out of here. Obviously, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know, being one of the
Speaker 1: most successful businessmen to come through the NBA. You know,
Speaker 1: we see Junior Bridgeman magic, you know, and you have
Speaker 1: put yourself in that category, you guys, So you understand
Speaker 1: business you guys have had and I'm honored to grace
Speaker 1: the stage with you all whenever I get the opportunity.
Speaker 1: But what you guys have built at inside the NBA,
Speaker 1: it has been special. Business is business. And there's a
Speaker 1: TV deal coming up with the possibility of turn or not,
Speaker 1: you know, having broadcasting rights. That is a possibility if
Speaker 1: that's to happen. Everybody wants to know what happens with
Speaker 1: this crew. You know, you guys, you four guys like
Speaker 1: it's the Premier show. When it comes to NBA basketball,
Speaker 1: what happens with this group from your perspective of how
Speaker 1: do you see that. I don't like to think left,
Speaker 1: which is negative. I don't like to think right. I
Speaker 1: do like to think what it is. So until we
Speaker 1: hear what it is, I don't know. I'm glad. I
Speaker 1: have different options to fall back home. But you know,
Speaker 1: when I go left, it's just it starts to get sad,
Speaker 1: like damn oh, Ernie, no Chuck, no Kenny. Then when
Speaker 1: I think right, it's a lot of other possibilities. So
Speaker 1: great possibilities, but right now I'm gonna just stay in
Speaker 1: the middle. And you brought up a name. Junior Bridgeman
Speaker 1: was another guy who I'm jealous of. I remember one
Speaker 1: time I'm walking through the airport and I saw the
Speaker 1: ten richest athletes. It was a time article. I was like, mo, fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm number two. I ain't fucking with Mike, but shit,
Speaker 1: I'm number mother fucking too magic maybe number two, so
Speaker 1: fucking I'm number three.
Speaker 3: So I look at the list.
Speaker 1: Like Mike fuck man fuck, and then Junior Bridgeman chicks,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is Junior Bridge And so
Speaker 1: I'm like eight hundred million. So now instead of being
Speaker 1: envistment like it, just like jealousy motivates me. Brother been
Speaker 1: like that since I'm a kid, like you see a
Speaker 1: kid like, always tell my son when you go to
Speaker 1: these AU tournaments, find out who's who, make sure you
Speaker 1: go at them. So like for me, I was always
Speaker 1: behind Kenny Anderson. So I went to the motherfucker McDonald's
Speaker 1: Auto American game. I met Dick Vatael was like, hello, missus,
Speaker 1: Dick Vytail. He's like, and you are so this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I don't know who I am. Oh shit, and everybody's
Speaker 1: sucking off Kenny and Jimmy Jackson, all these motherfuckers. I said, okay, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So I told misterout, I said, you don't know me yet,
Speaker 1: but tomorrow at twelve thirty, the whole world on my guy.
Speaker 1: So that that shit motivated me. So I'm looking at
Speaker 1: Junior Berid, I'm like, fuck, it's my fucker on all
Speaker 1: this shit, and I just I just it just makes
Speaker 1: me makes me work harder because we like stories. I
Speaker 1: like to open that Time magazine and see Shack two
Speaker 1: three big like, so I'm not there yet, but I
Speaker 1: think I'm working, you know, to a way to get there.
Speaker 1: So I just want to tell athletes it's okay to
Speaker 1: be jealous at the time, but just make sure you
Speaker 1: use that as motivation and not hate. Big fellow, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you man, see about seeing about thirty minutes. Yes, Sir,
Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show and y'all wouldn't have beat us in
Speaker 1: the finals.
Speaker 3: Easy, easy money.