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Speaker 1: Creed Bratton on the Office. It's so amazing. It's so amazing.
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Speaker 1: Brian bond Gartner. Today I am pleased to present to
Speaker 1: you America's favorite weirdo, Creed Bratton. I know the Dozeks
Speaker 1: guy thinks that he is, but Creed tr rerually maybe
Speaker 1: the most interesting man on earth. Seriously, if you don't
Speaker 1: know Creed story, buckle up, folks. Creed was a professional
Speaker 1: musician before the Office, like a legit toward with the
Speaker 1: doors musician, and of course he is still a musician
Speaker 1: to this day, though as far as I know, he's
Speaker 1: no longer doing cocaine with Jim Morrison put more on
Speaker 1: that shortly. Needless to say, every time I get to
Speaker 1: see Creed is a is a total delight. In fact,
Speaker 1: the night before this interview you're about to hear, Creed
Speaker 1: invited myself, Angela Kinzie, Rain Wilson and others to participate
Speaker 1: in a benefit concert that he was giving for the
Speaker 1: wildfires that were ravaging Australia at the time. And let
Speaker 1: me tell you, I'm sure I was terrible, but Creed
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was so amazing. I felt transported back
Speaker 1: in time as he is playing to an absolute packed
Speaker 1: house on the Sunset Strip at the Roxy. It was
Speaker 1: so fun. Anyway, uh, sitting down with Creed for this
Speaker 1: conversation was strange and wonderful, and I hope that it
Speaker 1: will be for you as well, both strange and wonderful.
Speaker 1: And be sure to stay tuned at the end of
Speaker 1: this episode because I brought Creed back in for a
Speaker 1: second interview the first time that's happened, because I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to him about his song Bubble and Squeak
Speaker 1: and why we chose it to be our theme song,
Speaker 1: the song you're about to hear. So please welcome to
Speaker 1: your ears, Mr creep brotton Bubble and Squeak. I love it,
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker, Cookie every moment
Speaker 1: left over from the night before. Hey, what's happening? Hot stuff?
Speaker 1: My voice? Is that done? You know? Yeah? You guys
Speaker 1: rocked rock. Thank you man for coming. It was a
Speaker 1: good guy that the people loved it. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, I do the guy on your
Speaker 1: list is your volume? Hi? Thank you, sir? Do do
Speaker 1: do do one to want to Hello? Hello? Hello, he's
Speaker 1: gonna start singing you guys. Uh, there we are. Hi, Hello, Brian, buddy,
Speaker 1: how are you good? I'm good? Yeah, that was very
Speaker 1: fun last night. It was great. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming. Yes, well, you know anything for the animals
Speaker 1: or for you indeed, and for your right back at
Speaker 1: you via V. Yeah. So it's been so amazingly fun
Speaker 1: just talking to people. Um, you had for four hours,
Speaker 1: you said I had Greg for four hours. But it
Speaker 1: has come to our attention that he talks really slow.
Speaker 1: So I think it's more like an hour and forty
Speaker 1: five minutes each where there's a train passing through. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well he's smarter than all of us, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. Okay, so I want to I want
Speaker 1: to take you back back, okay back you started in music,
Speaker 1: you started where you want to go back back to you.
Speaker 1: I want to go back. I want to know, I
Speaker 1: want to hear a little bit. I want to all
Speaker 1: the uterous kind of Yeah, all back there, um, okay
Speaker 1: um born in Los Angeles. Yes, at the age of two.
Speaker 1: If you really want to go back to this, William
Speaker 1: Charles Schneider, William Charles Schneider. Just like it said on
Speaker 1: the thing when I had the passport thing, it's all true.
Speaker 1: All this stuff is true. All this stuff about killing people.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. Is there a statute of limitations?
Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing. Maybe I shouldn't discuss.
Speaker 1: I don't discuss that. Probably Wait, um, do you go
Speaker 1: by William Charles Schneider at all? My passport says it doesn't. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my passport says it. Yeah, because you've never officially changed
Speaker 1: your name. Well, it's my My lawyers and everybody says,
Speaker 1: it's just a house. You have to go to court
Speaker 1: and do it. I've been trying to do it, but
Speaker 1: say just it's say, it's really a lot of hassle.
Speaker 1: So my passport says William Charles, I fly over to
Speaker 1: Europe under that in the name. What about your license
Speaker 1: here it's Creed Bratton. Yeah, and then he goes, he
Speaker 1: goes back and forth. You know, I have them running
Speaker 1: from the law for years. You know, that's not jokes.
Speaker 1: Not surprised, you know exactly. Um okay, so was your
Speaker 1: was your first big year? I mean, was your first
Speaker 1: band the grassroots? No? My goodness, gracious, okay, So my
Speaker 1: my I was born in l A. My father died
Speaker 1: in the war, moved up to cour School, California. By
Speaker 1: the age of thirteen, I started playing guitar. I mean
Speaker 1: I had played trumpet for years, and I was first
Speaker 1: chaired all the way through grammar school and high school
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I read music. And then
Speaker 1: my grandfather, Charles, he played guitar in a country and
Speaker 1: Western band and my grandmother played drums called the Happy Timers.
Speaker 1: Then I had a band called the tour Case. We
Speaker 1: played seventeen. I was working professionally with this band, playing
Speaker 1: lead guitar, playing all songs from the fifties and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: up in bass Lake, California. And then I had a
Speaker 1: band called the Leanders, which means Greek Lovers. I was
Speaker 1: in college and I and I always played to make money,
Speaker 1: you know, time I got through school to play guitar
Speaker 1: and that was a drama major at Sacramona State and
Speaker 1: I had another band there. But right at the end
Speaker 1: of college I went off to Europe and then I
Speaker 1: got joined a group called the Young Californians and that
Speaker 1: was the band. I traveled around for almost two and
Speaker 1: a half years in Europe, North Africa, the Red Curtain countries, Israel.
Speaker 1: We worked on a castigat Shadow movie there with Frank Sinatra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. I I still remember Frank Sinatra coming to me.
Speaker 1: I was just like a early twenties kids, you know,
Speaker 1: working on the set and I had my hand on
Speaker 1: this board which I didn't know it was going to
Speaker 1: be exploded with with the squibs and stuff. It comes
Speaker 1: up and said, hey kid, and he's smoke in a
Speaker 1: cigarette and he said, a kid, you can blow your
Speaker 1: hand up, put your hand on the thing. I said what.
Speaker 1: He just moved me away. It was my only Frank
Speaker 1: Sinatra movement. Movement. That's true. He saved your life. He
Speaker 1: saved my hand. That's what this is what your Frank
Speaker 1: Sinatra says. You're you're right, You're you're you're good at
Speaker 1: this promo thing. So then, uh, then I got act
Speaker 1: to Europe while later and I had a band called
Speaker 1: the Umte Floor not to be confused with the Austin
Speaker 1: Man the thirteenth Floor Elevator, which was a big band.
Speaker 1: It would have confused me, well confused to most people.
Speaker 1: And we were playing at the London Fog right next
Speaker 1: to the Whiskey Go Go, and we've been playing all
Speaker 1: over a year and we had a chance to become
Speaker 1: the grassroots first song, Live for Today goes right up
Speaker 1: the charts and they were off that was your first song.
Speaker 1: That was the first song was Live for Today, and
Speaker 1: I was I played guitar and worn that and they
Speaker 1: played guitar on that. My friend Bobby Ray played bass,
Speaker 1: and the Great Session Drumber hal Blaine played drums on it. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Wrecking Crew and I used to play with the
Speaker 1: Wrecking to a lot. You know, they'd be hard, they
Speaker 1: had hope kind of things. They bring in different people
Speaker 1: and we play with them. That's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I left the band is because we came back from
Speaker 1: tour about the third album and they had cut some
Speaker 1: tracks without me, you know, and I went and they said, well,
Speaker 1: this is the way they do it. I said, well, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like this at all because I play,
Speaker 1: so I didn't like. Yeah, that was the deal. Interesting
Speaker 1: And so you were with the Grassroots for how long?
Speaker 1: Four albums from sixty seven, sixty sixty six to seventy Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you you were the biggest star on the set
Speaker 1: of the Office before the Office, you were kind of
Speaker 1: the only stuff. Well, I would say that about the
Speaker 1: time arrived there with Steve Carrell on the fourty year
Speaker 1: Old Virgin. He was started after we started. I think
Speaker 1: you were the biggest star. Well, I I like you
Speaker 1: like the thing about you know me? Yes, I like
Speaker 1: the way you put you putting this are you did you? Well? No,
Speaker 1: but it's true. I mean it might be technically true
Speaker 1: as far as pop culture. Yeah, you had I mean
Speaker 1: you had lived a rock star life for yeah years, yeah,
Speaker 1: for years? Like you to be alive, my friend, I
Speaker 1: remember in a very Creed Broughton way, meaning you and
Speaker 1: your character on the show John Krasinski and I talked
Speaker 1: about this all the time, you walking in and beginning
Speaker 1: to tell a story and truly going that story is
Speaker 1: so outlandish it can't possibly be true. But maybe it is,
Speaker 1: and I think you did both. I think you told
Speaker 1: stories that I might have embellished a movement, Brian, you know,
Speaker 1: but I know I don't have to be bembell much.
Speaker 1: You don't. But my son parted with Jim Morrison of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Doors by John Densmore, the drummer with my best
Speaker 1: man at my wedding. I hung out with that band
Speaker 1: all the time we toured together. Yeah, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all real. I mean, that's that's all real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all real. So you you become an actor and
Speaker 1: you um studied with the method. Charles Conrad, I did
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff before the office. People just think
Speaker 1: that that was my first thing. But if you look
Speaker 1: at IMDb, I've done a bunch of stuff twinci'es and
Speaker 1: eight is Enough, and a bunch of TV recent things.
Speaker 1: You know. John Crosby, that there Will, the famous agent
Speaker 1: saw me at the Odyssey Theater. I've done a play
Speaker 1: with bow Bridges, you know, and I had my hair,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of kind of attractive, you know,
Speaker 1: and very very confident. So he signed up and I
Speaker 1: didn't have to go out on anything. He just said,
Speaker 1: you got a job. Over here back in those days
Speaker 1: that we just said, you got a job over here,
Speaker 1: and I was just working for a couple of years
Speaker 1: wow with him. And then immediately prior to the Office
Speaker 1: you were working with Ken Kappas And I met Ken
Speaker 1: on Bernie Matt Show. He came on the show and
Speaker 1: he was a big Grassroot fans. So he sent out
Speaker 1: to Ambre Records for me to sign some albums for him,
Speaker 1: and I found he was like an encyclopedia of pop knowledge.
Speaker 1: Ken knows all that stuff he does, he does and
Speaker 1: I healed it off. He's such a sweetheart. We know
Speaker 1: we love Kim. So I heard from Joe that he
Speaker 1: was directing uh the Office in American Workplace, and I went,
Speaker 1: I loved the Rickey Gerbis things. So I did something
Speaker 1: I've never ever done. Moore Brian I called. He gave
Speaker 1: me his number. I called the director up and he
Speaker 1: was he wasn't that starting? Oh? I said, look, I
Speaker 1: just heard you were doing the show. I love the
Speaker 1: Ricky Gervais show so much. I said, is there any
Speaker 1: way I could come and read for something over there?
Speaker 1: And he went, you know what? He said, where can
Speaker 1: let me talk to Greg? He calls me back. He said,
Speaker 1: I told him we were a very interesting guy, and
Speaker 1: he said I think I think, he said, he said, well,
Speaker 1: if he's that interesting, let's see if we can work
Speaker 1: him into the mix. His words were work him in
Speaker 1: the mix. So there, I mean, you know, in the
Speaker 1: background at the desk the first season, and I read
Speaker 1: right away. I felt very comfortable with everybody, you know.
Speaker 1: So when I saw what I had to do, I
Speaker 1: wrote a scene. I wrote a bunch of talking heads
Speaker 1: and shot about hours where the stuff AD left a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, wrote all this crazy stuff and cut
Speaker 1: it down to about five or seven seven minutes or so,
Speaker 1: gave it to Greg. You did this yourself? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did it all myself, did all myself. Okay, no, wait,
Speaker 1: all right, wait, hold on. So you're in your in
Speaker 1: the back, in the background. You're in the background season one, right,
Speaker 1: but you're like, I want to people, I want to
Speaker 1: play with you. I want to play with these people exactly.
Speaker 1: So you when when we're done with those first six episodes,
Speaker 1: you put together essentially a reel for yourself. I did, yeah,
Speaker 1: and submittedive. Now, the thing is what what gave me
Speaker 1: the impetus was on diversity day. I don't can you
Speaker 1: remember the name of our first assistant director, the woman
Speaker 1: she was with us that first season? Remember her? I
Speaker 1: can't remember her name. So we're in diversity day. She
Speaker 1: comes up to me and Phillis and we have the
Speaker 1: name tags on our foreheads and stuff, and she says, okay,
Speaker 1: now you guys just start ad living as Phillis goes,
Speaker 1: oh wait, he's I said, that's okay, and she looks
Speaker 1: at me and I just give her the eyes and
Speaker 1: she said, all right, fine, your your funeral, you know.
Speaker 1: So we started talking and stuff, and later on they
Speaker 1: come back and we said, you were talking and and
Speaker 1: they asked her and says, well, I just thought he
Speaker 1: was part of the group, you know. That's because that's
Speaker 1: the way I was react acting. And they said they
Speaker 1: said no. So they paid me off the side, but
Speaker 1: they wouldn't give anything after. I also did the voice
Speaker 1: for the elevator the thing. Yes, I did the voice
Speaker 1: and that went over really well. The coal but the
Speaker 1: coal of the coalmat yeah, And so they saw that
Speaker 1: I could that I could do the funny stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I had two things happening already, kind of
Speaker 1: like doing some little level, little fulk room, as it were,
Speaker 1: to kind of give me a segue me into this thing.
Speaker 1: And then you're right, I wrote, I wrote all this
Speaker 1: stuff down. He creed was psychic. I had a scene
Speaker 1: where I said, Krazynski comes up behind me and I'm
Speaker 1: in acquisitions, and I just flip a step over my shoulder.
Speaker 1: I already know what he wants. I think it scared
Speaker 1: the cast, scared the crew. I liked the scaring people,
Speaker 1: he said, and this is the guy, you know. And
Speaker 1: then of course they took it. They took it far
Speaker 1: beyond I could ever I could ever think it would
Speaker 1: how crazy he would be. But they still incorporated a
Speaker 1: lot of the weird stuff that because I would tell
Speaker 1: him about rock and roll stories, you know, and the
Speaker 1: crazy stuff I've done. Yes, so you submit this tape
Speaker 1: to give it to Greg Big Daniels and and I
Speaker 1: think I gave it to maybe it was it was
Speaker 1: greg Or Ken Ken Siborne. And before I know it,
Speaker 1: they throw a six snap page scene on my desk
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, here's your big chance with Steve Carrell.
Speaker 1: Make it to break it the Halloween episode. Halloween episode,
Speaker 1: and then that was it. Man, I told the story before.
Speaker 1: When they came in, I met had this thing memorized
Speaker 1: backwards and boards, absolutely memorized, and I could in the
Speaker 1: middle of and I could go, but I kept that
Speaker 1: back in my head anywhere I wanted, I could go
Speaker 1: in on that on that scene and know it right
Speaker 1: away natural, you know, it goes bro. They come and say, okay,
Speaker 1: well we've changed the thing around. It's gonna be in
Speaker 1: this order here, and we've changed that some new stuff.
Speaker 1: And Steve goes, yeah, fine, I'll just plant it over
Speaker 1: flop sweat. I go outside. I'm shaking. I've absolutely shaken,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, look I've come this far. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna wing it. You know. So a lot of
Speaker 1: that stuff that that that that that stuff, a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff is improv too. You know. It just worked,
Speaker 1: just work. I was I was fighting for my life.
Speaker 1: Wou That is amazing. That is amazing. And and from
Speaker 1: then on I am a guest star. But right away
Speaker 1: I heard Todd when I talked to Greg, he said,
Speaker 1: once he heard me do which one pam and someone
Speaker 1: making soup, he knew, he said, he knew at that
Speaker 1: time that was it. And then that just you know,
Speaker 1: it was off and running and lucky es ye, lucky
Speaker 1: me to get to play with you guys. And you
Speaker 1: said you were a fan of the British first, Yes,
Speaker 1: so you'd watch I'd watched them all and I thought
Speaker 1: it was the best. I remember the first time on
Speaker 1: that old place where we were shooting there over in
Speaker 1: Las Area City in studio and Greg said, look, we're
Speaker 1: gonna try to do this thing. We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: laugh track, We're gonna have a lot of uncomfortable pauses,
Speaker 1: you know. And I looked around everybody and everyone's nodding,
Speaker 1: you know, sage like like we all knew it was cool.
Speaker 1: We didn't know if it's gonna work or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it did. It's interesting now that I'm thinking about it, because,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I was aware until today,
Speaker 1: like how actively you were trying to get in. I knew,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know obviously, I couldn't know the show
Speaker 1: was going to be that show. I just knew that
Speaker 1: was my little voice was saying this feels right, this
Speaker 1: is what you want to be a part of. And besides,
Speaker 1: I was very comfortable with everywhere, you know, we all laughed,
Speaker 1: We enjoyed each other's company. I mean, I certainly did
Speaker 1: I know that I'd get feedback from everybody. So I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I could just be very
Speaker 1: very happy here. So I did everything I could. I
Speaker 1: worked hard. I don't think I've ever ever shot a
Speaker 1: thing like that and submitted it before, you know, And
Speaker 1: if I had told anybody, they are tried to talk
Speaker 1: me out of it, you know, damn well, right, because
Speaker 1: you just don't do stuff like you don't do that. No, no,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't gonna let anybody know my my macav
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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. When as you're watching the
Speaker 1: first episodes unfold and certainly being a part of it,
Speaker 1: like you talked about in Diversity Day, but when, when
Speaker 1: did you feel like we might have something cool? Was
Speaker 1: it right away? No? No, some people say that I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a clue and I knew, well, right
Speaker 1: for the first we know we were gonna thought the
Speaker 1: possibly would be going to be canceled. We thought we
Speaker 1: were going to be canceled. There and then he called
Speaker 1: us back. Um, I guess I think it's one day
Speaker 1: driving in there to work and it's seen Steve's four
Speaker 1: year old virgin right there on Woodman right therefore before
Speaker 1: SADIKOI and I saw the post and I went, okay, wow,
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of interesting. And uh, I
Speaker 1: think if we'd been on a lot, it would have
Speaker 1: been different. Been being off in that little uh micro
Speaker 1: caused him that we were we which was great to
Speaker 1: be by ourselves like that. You know, we didn't we
Speaker 1: didn't really we were in a bubble. We didn't really
Speaker 1: see it. I I think it probably took two took
Speaker 1: me maybe to the end of the second season or
Speaker 1: the third season, realized wait a second, you know, this
Speaker 1: looks like this could be something serious, you know, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you but you said before, like in terms of
Speaker 1: not necessarily becoming hit, but that we were doing something cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing good work. And I know I laughed because
Speaker 1: I watched shows all the time, and most stuff doesn't
Speaker 1: make me laugh. But I see and I knew what
Speaker 1: these shows were, and I would still laugh. So I'd say, well,
Speaker 1: if I'm laughing and I already know what's happening, there's
Speaker 1: got to be pretty good. That's that's the criteria. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: what do you think that it did for the show? Right?
Speaker 1: So the office comes out of you know, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better phrase, like the Friends era. You know,
Speaker 1: people were expected to look a certain way on television. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you think that that did for us? That
Speaker 1: that Alison Jones and Ken and Greg, that that they
Speaker 1: cast people who didn't necessarily look like primetime TV stars.
Speaker 1: I think that was the genius of it. I think
Speaker 1: it was the beauty of it because people the average
Speaker 1: joke and could could relate to it, you know, and
Speaker 1: I mean the average Joe, not an accept deprecating way
Speaker 1: at all, just your basic person on the street. They're
Speaker 1: not glamorousses, you know, not everybody was a glamorous you know,
Speaker 1: these are average people. And as you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought it was a documentary and they really
Speaker 1: didn't know it was a show for a while, which
Speaker 1: which is that's brilliant if that happens. That It's really
Speaker 1: not about the way the characters looked, but it was
Speaker 1: the specific way that the characters were written, the specific
Speaker 1: traits that they had. Um, that I think made people
Speaker 1: respond to it, right. I think everybody is trying to
Speaker 1: find lightning in a bottle and they're they're trying to
Speaker 1: to say, how did how did this happen? How did
Speaker 1: this thing become? Or the zeitgeist? But well, it's the
Speaker 1: synergy between us as as a cast, the writers, the directors,
Speaker 1: the crew, and when you throw it all together, you're
Speaker 1: you're trying to go, Okay, where is this little spark
Speaker 1: that makes it work. It's it's up in the It's
Speaker 1: up in the air. You know. It's like treads now
Speaker 1: blowing with these fingers, this professed I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is thing, but we'll know, but it's it's it is.
Speaker 1: It was magic. It was a little bit of magic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I I think the writing was so brilliant. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I get scripts all
Speaker 1: the time sent to me to you know, to try
Speaker 1: to do that cree character again, and I look at it.
Speaker 1: It's not not anywhere near those ring. The writers we
Speaker 1: had come on. The writers are so important, so we
Speaker 1: just had to be ourselves and in character and then
Speaker 1: say I say the lines without adding anything to it.
Speaker 1: And it worked. They saw the big picture. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was something about the construction of the writing staff and
Speaker 1: the actors and the crew and really everyone involved that
Speaker 1: everybody cared. Yes, Yes, that was it that we cared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that there wasn't It wasn't about so often it's
Speaker 1: about self promotion or about you know, well, off I
Speaker 1: do this, then this will get me to this other show,
Speaker 1: or you know, I want people to see that I
Speaker 1: can do this or that or whatever. But I felt like, really,
Speaker 1: at its core, the people on this show, we're just
Speaker 1: trying to make a really good show. Yes, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: When we were there on the set in those days,
Speaker 1: it was all about just that was the office and
Speaker 1: everybody there was part of the office, the crew and
Speaker 1: the cast and the writers. And I think we've all
Speaker 1: mentioned before having the writers in the in the cast
Speaker 1: and having them take their ear on the street and
Speaker 1: then going back to the writer's room, and then that's
Speaker 1: that parlayed into that brilliance too. Yeah. Well you talked
Speaker 1: before about you telling stories. Yes, and they here and
Speaker 1: they come around and pick my brains sometimes, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I told the story about Live for Today
Speaker 1: with the grass Foot Hits. There was one of the
Speaker 1: lines in Live for Today was baby, I need to
Speaker 1: feel you inside of me. I need to feel you
Speaker 1: deep inside of me. Build Or magazine came out with
Speaker 1: an article and said, regarding the band The Grassroots and
Speaker 1: the hit song Live for the Day, we assumed that
Speaker 1: The Grassroots are a heterosexual band, and we went what
Speaker 1: we were freaking out because we're all from you know, uh.
Speaker 1: Warren and I had been the rhythm guitar and I
Speaker 1: had been to Europe and college. The other two had
Speaker 1: never been out of California, I don't think, so they
Speaker 1: were freaking down. I'm saying, chill, chill, It's okay, relax,
Speaker 1: and I said, but I had this seriously after that article.
Speaker 1: For a year, I had this reoccurring dream and I'd
Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night and all
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriends were coming at me in a circle, angry,
Speaker 1: naked with strap on, and I'd wake up in a
Speaker 1: cold sweat, a cold sweat and a little titillated to
Speaker 1: I gotta say, but but I told that story to
Speaker 1: the thing, and then of course they did the the
Speaker 1: the gay witch hud story. This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that is true. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much of that you don't know either.
Speaker 1: The one I always true though, that's true? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I remember, I remember just I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this is when you used a lot. But the one
Speaker 1: that I always tell was us in the conference room
Speaker 1: one day. This is really early on, and um, I
Speaker 1: don't even know if we can use this or not,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna at least tell you now I remember
Speaker 1: you something happened and you go, yeah, yeah, that reminds
Speaker 1: me snorting cocaine off of Hooker's ass at the Playboy
Speaker 1: Mansion with Jim Morrison's and looking around. What did he
Speaker 1: just say so many words together? It sounds wrong? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we'll never know. Now, we'll never know that is
Speaker 1: don't know anymore as I am. So, what combination is
Speaker 1: the character Creed Bratton? How much of the character of
Speaker 1: Creed Broton is you? Well, you've known me long enough
Speaker 1: to know that that I am not actually and used
Speaker 1: and we used to play him up to I wrote
Speaker 1: him as because I did write the character at the beginning,
Speaker 1: so he was Um, think of myself as a as
Speaker 1: a crack tuning fork. It's a it's a it's filibrating
Speaker 1: and it's all mated to break and this it's and
Speaker 1: I wrote the physical comedy is from Jacques Tati and
Speaker 1: the way he physically walks, the facial expressions are Jack, Benny,
Speaker 1: George Gobel, Bob new Heart, and it's it's in a
Speaker 1: juxtaposition of all those characters that I loved. And that's
Speaker 1: that's how my comedy came around. And then I then
Speaker 1: I so I tried to write a character. My original
Speaker 1: premise was that Creed rock Star had an over overdose
Speaker 1: st out on a Greyhound bus, ended up in a
Speaker 1: dumpster in Scratton, and Ed Truck brought him in and
Speaker 1: gave him a job as in the stores, a salesman
Speaker 1: in the in the under Mifflin, where he was horrible
Speaker 1: at and then they were frightened of him and stuck
Speaker 1: him over that that was the premise basically, and so
Speaker 1: he was just Yeah, he's an extension obviously extension of
Speaker 1: this rock and roll guy. But I mean, I would
Speaker 1: be worn out if I had to be him all
Speaker 1: the time because because he's he's operating out that higher
Speaker 1: he's what that kind of he he's hyped up. You know,
Speaker 1: was there something physically you did in terms of getting
Speaker 1: to that character, like what what was It was almost
Speaker 1: like getting myself a hiccup, the physical hiccup. It's just
Speaker 1: almost a nervous twitch to be him. Yeah, and even
Speaker 1: and I had I they thought he was joking some
Speaker 1: notes like wait a minute, I'm not I'm not ready,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready. Well, what do you mean you're I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a rock guy. I'm a musician.
Speaker 1: You know. I write these soulful songs and that's that's
Speaker 1: who I am. You know, I'm more much more serious
Speaker 1: and thoughtful than that character. But when I'm in the
Speaker 1: behind the desk, I'm the chicanery involved. There's escaping from
Speaker 1: the law. There's there's always been one step somebody in
Speaker 1: my eyes and just thinking they're gonna find me out.
Speaker 1: That was always my backstory. Are they going to find
Speaker 1: me out? So that's when every time we look at anybody,
Speaker 1: the thing in the back of my mind was going
Speaker 1: to see that I'm just faking it here and I'm
Speaker 1: cheating them and stealing from them. We were there so
Speaker 1: much that after a while just it becomes ingrained in
Speaker 1: your behavior and you keep it. Sometimes in between when
Speaker 1: say when Creed is leaving the office. Sorry, that's been
Speaker 1: a murder. I'm in it here. Oh I'm Steve. I
Speaker 1: go well, I'll be right back. And you see my body,
Speaker 1: my body, head out. That's that's very Jacques Tati. You know,
Speaker 1: when I was in Europe, I watched a lot of this,
Speaker 1: that his comedy, and I just loved his physical movement,
Speaker 1: you know, so I would emulate emulate this and that's
Speaker 1: very cool. Yeah, yeah, because it's funny. It's it's half
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin and of Jacques Toti. Yeah. What was your
Speaker 1: job in the office? Uh? Quality ashlets quality, quality, quality assurance,
Speaker 1: which he never did. He never did, was there any
Speaker 1: but the one time he didn't he game He came
Speaker 1: in one time in a year and missed up on something.
Speaker 1: That's when the car too characters rabbing sex on the yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and he frames Debbie Brown. He finds she's
Speaker 1: the only one not at work that day, and so
Speaker 1: he blames on her. Then he collects money at the
Speaker 1: end and pockets and himself. He's such a scump, scummy guy.
Speaker 1: What what exactly is the job of quality? Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's the thing. I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: found out because they didn't do any work. Push papers,
Speaker 1: literally pushed papers round on the desk. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure Kevin did either. He invented the Clevin. He did
Speaker 1: invent the Cleven did that. So that's you have that
Speaker 1: to live with. UM, so you talked about season two,
Speaker 1: you know, the end of season two, Um, we win
Speaker 1: the Emmy Casino Night, the last one we had in
Speaker 1: the Casino Night. Such a fun episode we had gotten,
Speaker 1: you know, shortly before that, after like getting six episodes
Speaker 1: and two and four and one and three, and in
Speaker 1: season two, you know, we get a full season pick
Speaker 1: up first season three and we win the Emmy after
Speaker 1: season two, K, what do you remember about those I've
Speaker 1: never I always i'm I'm almost mystoic philosophy, Gu'm ryan,
Speaker 1: and I just I live in the moment. I don't
Speaker 1: predict that anything's gonna happen. I just do the work
Speaker 1: as a day comes, and so I didn't look too
Speaker 1: far ahead. I just, you know, I just tried to
Speaker 1: be there and be there now. As they say when
Speaker 1: we go to the red carpet events in the Limos.
Speaker 1: That was the first time that I felt a little
Speaker 1: like and it felt like back in the Grassroot days,
Speaker 1: kind of something you and going to a big show
Speaker 1: or something like that, going okay, I kind of remember
Speaker 1: this this energy, it's a rush. It's kind of great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When did you start getting recognized as being creed brought
Speaker 1: in from the office. I think about the third season.
Speaker 1: I was in Trader Joe's and walking along and a
Speaker 1: woman pulled her child away from me and I and
Speaker 1: I was alarmed, but I was kind of pleased that
Speaker 1: my character did that to someone, you know, And then
Speaker 1: she looked apologetic, and I did say to her, said,
Speaker 1: I'm just an actress, said, I said, I'm not. I did,
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. And she's like, she just sugar,
Speaker 1: and she just pulled ahead child's eyes away, and I
Speaker 1: took it as a compliment. I remember my U. I
Speaker 1: did this movie years ago, a Peter mcdonaldi's film called
Speaker 1: Mask with Eric Stoltz and Samuel and Share. I was
Speaker 1: the ticket taker in that in that movie, and my
Speaker 1: daughter was studying at the Performing Academy in Manhattan, and
Speaker 1: she went with her friends to see the movie and
Speaker 1: the she didn't tell him that I was in it.
Speaker 1: And when I did my scene with Samuel, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: wherever the line was, you know, like that day, Oh
Speaker 1: what an asshole? And she should Dad. I was so
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. You talked about the magic and it
Speaker 1: is unexplainable. It is Why do you think that the
Speaker 1: show connects so well with young people? You know, like
Speaker 1: it's a show about I actually looked this up. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a side story last night because we did
Speaker 1: the thing for your birthday that But then, by the way,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Just blew my mind. I
Speaker 1: didn't see it coming. Yeah, I didn't. By the way,
Speaker 1: everyone it's tomorrow, it's his birthday, because I looked it
Speaker 1: up because I was like, is it actually today? And
Speaker 1: nobody knew, so I looked it up. And this is
Speaker 1: a very weird story that I'm saying this because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you're the oldest, but I was looking
Speaker 1: at it and going, other than John and Jenna and
Speaker 1: b J, I'm the youngest likely yeah, like all those
Speaker 1: guys and so, but even I, you know, when the
Speaker 1: show started, I was thirty one. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: thought you were older. There. Yea, that's what you're such,
Speaker 1: you're a kid, sut there Yeah, well anymore a long time. Um.
Speaker 1: But my point is it was that, you know, we
Speaker 1: were still like, you know, early middle age to upper
Speaker 1: middle aged group of people who worked in an office.
Speaker 1: And I always thought, oh, well this, you know, if
Speaker 1: every one works in an office or everybody goes to work,
Speaker 1: like thinking, those are the people that it would really
Speaker 1: appeal to. Not and not that it doesn't, but it
Speaker 1: has such a young audience base. Why do you think that, man, Brian.
Speaker 1: I I used to think it was because of the
Speaker 1: sweetness of the show and and there was a heart
Speaker 1: that the show has a heart without a doubt, it's undeniable.
Speaker 1: And how how does that happen? I don't know. But
Speaker 1: I also think now that in retrospect um, there's so
Speaker 1: much anguish, there's only so much vampire's blowing up and
Speaker 1: and threats of all this stuff, and the angst, the
Speaker 1: existential angst of whatever we're experiencing. Own to my god,
Speaker 1: there's a cartoon there a day where guys looking at
Speaker 1: his dog, he says, I'm so glad you don't have
Speaker 1: to know what's going on right now. It's kind of
Speaker 1: that thing. Our show didn't really torture people with the
Speaker 1: immediency of our demise as and so it relaxed. It
Speaker 1: relaxes people. I think it's one of those shows that
Speaker 1: relax with people and they go to it to make
Speaker 1: themselves feel happy. And I think we also came in
Speaker 1: at a time where it doesn't look that dated for
Speaker 1: an office. You know, there were cell phones, there were computers.
Speaker 1: You know, if you go back a little board, you
Speaker 1: don't see that stuff so kind of dates. We just
Speaker 1: came in at that sweet spot, I think too. And
Speaker 1: it's and it's it's definitely funny and people can relate
Speaker 1: to it, not even if you're an office or not.
Speaker 1: The interpersonal relationship all these people and who do it
Speaker 1: so well, you know, yeah, well it's I have to
Speaker 1: give credit because I'm not the smart. But I was
Speaker 1: speaking to um, this woman who's a television critic, and
Speaker 1: she was talking about some of the you know, political
Speaker 1: economic things that are going on in our world. And
Speaker 1: you know, it was a show about a small paper
Speaker 1: company in Scranton, Pennsylvania. But what what she was talking
Speaker 1: to me about is those businesses now they don't exist now,
Speaker 1: and there's in this nostalgia in a way, like like
Speaker 1: who would have thought that would actually be a good
Speaker 1: job right now? If you're in that industry, you work
Speaker 1: at Staples or office Max or Target or Walmart, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're working for Superstore like that television show. Now,
Speaker 1: like if that's the progression from the office, it's a
Speaker 1: big box store in person, humanity or heart. I think
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting idea. I agree. And if you
Speaker 1: wanted to work with people and make relationship, you'd want
Speaker 1: to be at dunder Mifflin, not an impersonal Staples, you know,
Speaker 1: because you get lost and you might might happen and
Speaker 1: people want to kind of where we need that stuff
Speaker 1: in in our lives. We're losing a lot of it unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the concept of the show, the conceit, right, is like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's a boring here's a boring office job in a
Speaker 1: paper company. Right, But if you look at the alternative,
Speaker 1: it's slinging paper at target, Like that's not no, no,
Speaker 1: this is much better. Yeah, we're a little we're a
Speaker 1: little biased too, though. Well yeah, I know certainly. Um,
Speaker 1: when Greg left to go start Parks and Rack, Mike
Speaker 1: and Greg laugh and Jon Salotta and Paul were there,
Speaker 1: did you notice any any change really because Greg was
Speaker 1: still around. Yeah, he's around for a while. I think
Speaker 1: I think it it took me a while to to
Speaker 1: feel that there was more of a I don't know,
Speaker 1: a hodgepodgy hodgepodgy feeling after he left for a while.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I couldn't I couldn't even actually put
Speaker 1: my finger on if there was a cohesive thread that
Speaker 1: there was missing. But I think there was to some degree.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just my hindsight that I know that
Speaker 1: now so that I can, you know, superimposed those feelings
Speaker 1: over it, but I I kind of felt, I did
Speaker 1: feel for sure when he came back, that the ship
Speaker 1: was righted to it at some degree. Yeah. I have
Speaker 1: to say that I'm a big Greg fan obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: we all are, but you know, well, because he just
Speaker 1: seemed to always support he had my back, you know,
Speaker 1: and he he allowed me to play music, allowed me
Speaker 1: to play music in the show, which is a huge thing,
Speaker 1: you know, And he gave me I remember one time
Speaker 1: I was did some ad lib stuff and I thought
Speaker 1: maybe I was right in the beginning, and I thought
Speaker 1: maybe I was usurpre my position somewhat. I came to
Speaker 1: him and said, do you think I should have thrown
Speaker 1: that thing? And they said, no, no, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want you to center yourself every creek, just just say
Speaker 1: it out there. Patted me on the back, and I went, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is He gave me the carte blanche to continue
Speaker 1: on being my insane self sweetness. Yeah, and he's so
Speaker 1: damn smart it's ridiculous. Yeah. Um, Steve basically becomes a
Speaker 1: giant movie star. Yes, in season two, talk to me
Speaker 1: a little bit about either any recollections, not even recolle actions.
Speaker 1: How was he like to work with You know, you
Speaker 1: started that first scene in Halloween. It was six and
Speaker 1: a half pages with him, right. Well, he was very
Speaker 1: giving and gracious, you know, and uh he he allowed
Speaker 1: me the space to to jump up and just do
Speaker 1: do stuff, you know, and uh and and we just
Speaker 1: kept going, which a professional just kept going. It was
Speaker 1: a long day. We were in that office for a
Speaker 1: long time. But I had so much respect for him.
Speaker 1: And later on, I think it was season two, he
Speaker 1: was doing some scenes and oh it was at the
Speaker 1: end of is that wonderful, wonderful scene where the children
Speaker 1: come up at the end of Halloween and you see
Speaker 1: what heart this guy has, you know, and remember some
Speaker 1: other scene you could see it. And I came up
Speaker 1: to him one day and I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: you are really really good dramatic actor, Steve. And I
Speaker 1: think it was a little embarrassed and taking because he's
Speaker 1: shy in a way, you know he is, And I said, no,
Speaker 1: really needs to. I think I embarrassed him just a
Speaker 1: little bit because I had such great respect for the guy.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, you know how hard it is
Speaker 1: not to laugh when he's doing when he comes to
Speaker 1: this prison Mica or in the big overweight suit, you
Speaker 1: know the thing it's so hard on collapse, Michael closing,
Speaker 1: so so brilliant, you know, just great to watch it.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from watching him too. I learned
Speaker 1: a lot from everybody that came on, just you know,
Speaker 1: uh Spader. When I watch Spader work, I was picking
Speaker 1: his nuances and stuff like crazy. I pay very close
Speaker 1: attention to that stuff people that I respect, and I
Speaker 1: watched and file it away for characters for later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when did you find out that he was leaving? I
Speaker 1: basically that scene in there when I say see you tomorrow, boss,
Speaker 1: I thought he was still staying. No, No, we all knew,
Speaker 1: and uh, that was hard. That was hard. I wasn't sure,
Speaker 1: you know. I think I probably voiced it with a
Speaker 1: few people. I said, you know, when I think it
Speaker 1: might be time to just stop, you know, I really
Speaker 1: felt that. I thought, you know, without him, how can this,
Speaker 1: how can it possibly go on? How can I go on?
Speaker 1: And I would have understood, you know, really, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: Obviously we got to go on, And obviously the finale
Speaker 1: redeemed us in a way. I believe that finale just
Speaker 1: kind of like pulled the thing together. There were some
Speaker 1: great moments too, but I don't think they ever came
Speaker 1: up to his stuff with Steve. I just don't think
Speaker 1: so do you. I am tremendously proud, quite frankly, of
Speaker 1: the entire ninth season. I feel like it's a little
Speaker 1: underappreciated in a way. I think that we were continuing
Speaker 1: to try to find the right formula in terms of
Speaker 1: who was the boss, but I think the show just
Speaker 1: started functioning differently. I feel like not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of shows gets to end on their own terms and
Speaker 1: and tell the end of a story that they wanted
Speaker 1: to tell, and the idea of you know, Greg wanting
Speaker 1: to finish the story in that way. I felt like
Speaker 1: he was able to do it and and and I
Speaker 1: thought did it very effective? Well? That was like I
Speaker 1: said that that finale was so But did you feel
Speaker 1: at the time that when when Steve left that you
Speaker 1: would have been happy saying okay, let's just call it
Speaker 1: no no now you wouldn't to continue on. Personally, I
Speaker 1: think the show could still be on right now. It
Speaker 1: would have turned into like E R and people would
Speaker 1: have laughed and new people coming in dead. My character
Speaker 1: would be dead. You know, although I don't think Greg
Speaker 1: would ever let anybody die. Who was there, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe. Um before the finale, did you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with Greg? Yes, yes, he he called me,
Speaker 1: and you know, he'd asked everybody. He said, I want
Speaker 1: to know what your your feedback is, how do you
Speaker 1: think the character Creed should leave? And I told him
Speaker 1: I thought it well, And I said, I think this
Speaker 1: is this song of mine. All the faces. I could
Speaker 1: be at poor Richards playing my guitar. You guys, the
Speaker 1: cast all walks in and I'm singing all the faces
Speaker 1: and the camera comes in on each of you. He said,
Speaker 1: I like that idea. That's the last I heard of
Speaker 1: it until the table read. And then I saw at
Speaker 1: that time and almost cried. I literally, Brian, I went,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Looked around. There was my guitar. I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was going to sing that song until
Speaker 1: the table read. That's the first time I heard about it.
Speaker 1: They kept they kept it, They kept it just as
Speaker 1: a surprise. It was emotional. Wait, they they had your guitar. Now.
Speaker 1: The p A went and got my guitar and had
Speaker 1: it there. And I looked around like this and I
Speaker 1: went and I seen reading the scripting. But oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sing this song. And what there is Gregs
Speaker 1: letting me sing my song? And look around they're they're
Speaker 1: all they're standing bick they're smiling, and they got my guitar.
Speaker 1: They planned this, you know, we play. Will you play
Speaker 1: a little bit for me? All right? Okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: tear my phone on just for second, guys to uh
Speaker 1: tune up this acts. This is the guitar I used
Speaker 1: actually on the on the show. This this old Martin
Speaker 1: and John think it's a good story. John, we couldn't
Speaker 1: get the microphone on the think and then the shot
Speaker 1: so Krasinski said he'd hold the shotgun. He had it
Speaker 1: under his arm when we were recording. You couldn't hide him, mind,
Speaker 1: I couldn't hide the mic for the guitar itself. And
Speaker 1: then John said, well, I'll just hold the shotgun mic
Speaker 1: under my arm because he was the closest. He was
Speaker 1: the closest to me and since he was sitting there
Speaker 1: talking to looking over the pammit all the time, he's
Speaker 1: holding them right there on the sound hole. He's a
Speaker 1: team player, like boy, we know that all right? For
Speaker 1: you I saw a friend today. It had been a while,
Speaker 1: and we forgot each other's name, but it didn't matter,
Speaker 1: because deep inside, feeling still remains. We talked of knowing
Speaker 1: one before you've met, how you feel more than you see,
Speaker 1: and other worlds that lie spaces in between angels. We
Speaker 1: can see. All the faces that I know have that
Speaker 1: same familiar glue. I think I must have known them
Speaker 1: somewhere once. Beefful. All the faces that I know, and
Speaker 1: all the faces were seeking air every day. When we
Speaker 1: get home at night, there's one face me. And when
Speaker 1: my mind's absorbed on my private little screen and I'm walking,
Speaker 1: climbing through a sea of unknown men, I hear a
Speaker 1: voice reminded they're across the street, walks an old forgotten friends.
Speaker 1: We don't have to say a word. It's really better
Speaker 1: left unsaid, just light through as that recognize all the faces,
Speaker 1: all the faces I know, and while the faces we
Speaker 1: see each in air day when we get home at night,
Speaker 1: there's one face week, all the faces I see each
Speaker 1: chin every day when I get home at night, face
Speaker 1: I knee. When I get home at night, You're the
Speaker 1: only face I need. So great there we go, so
Speaker 1: great dude, yeah it Um that gets me every time. Um,
Speaker 1: we're six years since you sang that song in the finale, right,
Speaker 1: do you feel like the show is bigger now than
Speaker 1: it was then? Without a doubt, without a doubt. And
Speaker 1: I can tell because I'm always out on the road,
Speaker 1: play in front of people. And I started out on
Speaker 1: the show with two people, and now it's eight hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousand coming to see my show, and they come
Speaker 1: up to me and they're younger, and the kids that
Speaker 1: watched the show then are grown up. They turned their
Speaker 1: younger symbolis onto it. Their children. Oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: young people who were born by that time who've already
Speaker 1: have seen the show and and know the show. It dones,
Speaker 1: it dones. It's crazy, right it is. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how long how long this thing will last, but
Speaker 1: it seems to me that just keeps growing. You know,
Speaker 1: went away. Why do you think I think all this
Speaker 1: stuff we talked about before the Heart the Heart, I
Speaker 1: just think we should just enjoy it, and you just
Speaker 1: tryed to try to figure out why. I mean, if
Speaker 1: somebody can figure it out, sure that would be great,
Speaker 1: But I don't think you can. Our ticket exactly where
Speaker 1: where the magic occurs and how it occurs. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: accept it and be grateful. What are you most thankful
Speaker 1: for waking up in the mornings from your experience from
Speaker 1: the off? Um, Oh my gosh, so many things, Brian,
Speaker 1: So many things, you know, just to to find that
Speaker 1: you can actually get together with a bunch of people
Speaker 1: in a community effort and and make make a wonderful thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and get like, like you said, without the backbiting,
Speaker 1: without the egos and stuff like that. For everybody pulling
Speaker 1: together for a purpose. It's that it's that sixties thing
Speaker 1: and we grew up. We thought we could change something,
Speaker 1: you know, and we did with that show as a
Speaker 1: game changer. And to find that you can work and
Speaker 1: in a harmonious environment is pretty rewarding stuff. We all
Speaker 1: got to laugh every day, so it wasn't like work
Speaker 1: to get to be And that's the thing for me.
Speaker 1: I get to go to do something I just enjoy.
Speaker 1: It's never like we're it's a it's a blessing. It's
Speaker 1: an absolute blessing. Yeah, it's too bad a head end.
Speaker 1: But if they have good things have to all good things.
Speaker 1: We got a song all good things come to an end.
Speaker 1: It's true, you know, Creed, we were a family without
Speaker 1: I think we still are anyways, you know we still are.
Speaker 1: Can't take that away. It's it's ingrained in us now. UM.
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you man, and thanks for
Speaker 1: coming in and talking. Come on, it was my pleasure
Speaker 1: offering well not just your song, but you're your your
Speaker 1: sense of humor and thoughtfulness. So thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Is this now? Are you recording right now
Speaker 1: from your home studio? I'm going to turn the recording
Speaker 1: on right now. Thank you for me. There we go.
Speaker 1: I'm recording from my home studio. Yeah. Us, indeed, you're
Speaker 1: recording from your home studio. It's so good to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Um. So when I was putting together this podcast,
Speaker 1: we started talking about, oh what music, and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: what if we go to Creed, Like, let's let's look
Speaker 1: at some of Creed's music, some of his new stuff.
Speaker 1: And I hear your song Bubble and Squeak, and I
Speaker 1: just fall in love with it, Like I just it
Speaker 1: was like the perfect vibe for me. So where did
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak come from? Where did the inspiration for
Speaker 1: that come from? Bubble and squeak. I um a year
Speaker 1: last year or the year for I. It's been so
Speaker 1: long which we have been held held up, you know,
Speaker 1: held for ransom in these in our homes. Um. I
Speaker 1: went to Romanian shot this movie called The Sisters Brothers,
Speaker 1: and UH came back and I was spent spending some
Speaker 1: time in London, staying at a hotel. They're just kind
Speaker 1: of cruising around and I this is my fun to
Speaker 1: third third or fourth time there. And I went to
Speaker 1: have dinner or lunch or something, and they're on the menu,
Speaker 1: had said bubble and squeak. And all these years that
Speaker 1: I've been there, I never had it. I never I
Speaker 1: was always curious. So I finally asked the wait I said,
Speaker 1: what does this mean? They said, oh, it's when you
Speaker 1: take a bunch of stuff, you know, and you just
Speaker 1: from from lunch or dinner the day before, and next
Speaker 1: morning you throw it all in a pan. And you
Speaker 1: had some eggs. So I said, well, I do that
Speaker 1: all the time, and I do. I I keep my
Speaker 1: dinner leftovers and a lot of people do just toss
Speaker 1: me with eggs. It's a great way to have a
Speaker 1: breakfast that way. So UM, it's kind of like your show,
Speaker 1: and I commented, I think this is just kind of
Speaker 1: like your show because you're taking all these bits and
Speaker 1: pieces and stuff and you're not really sure what's gonna
Speaker 1: you hope it's going to turn out great, and you
Speaker 1: throw you throw it in the pan and you see
Speaker 1: what's what's gonna happen. Yes, we're taking what everybody said,
Speaker 1: whatever is left, and we're gonna put it in a
Speaker 1: pan and cook it up and try to deliver something
Speaker 1: fun and good. Well, Creed, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming back on and talking about this song. Thanks for
Speaker 1: letting us you bub and sweet, Thank you for you,
Speaker 1: thank you for using it. I do appreciate my friend
Speaker 1: now absolutely. I cannot wait for people to hear the
Speaker 1: rest of Mr Creed Broughton. So thanks so much, man,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. Love you too. Alright. Well, folks,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but something about that guy
Speaker 1: just I don't know, it just tugs at my old
Speaker 1: heart strings. He is truly one of a kind and
Speaker 1: I am a better person for knowing him. So thank
Speaker 1: you so much Creed for joining me in the studio
Speaker 1: and again for letting me use your fantastic song that
Speaker 1: works so perfectly for this podcast. You rock and thanks
Speaker 1: to all of you for listening. You rock as well.
Speaker 1: I guess and uh I will see you all right
Speaker 1: back here next week for another episode of the Office
Speaker 1: Deep Dive. The Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive
Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley.
Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer, our producer is Adam Massias,
Speaker 1: our associate producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor
Speaker 1: is Diego Tapia. My main man in the booth is
Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by
Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed
Speaker 1: by seth Olandski. Hello, this is Christina Hutchinson and Karin Fisher.
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