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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am Renee Stubs. We are in New York City. I

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Speaker 1: am joined by the one and only Caitlin Thompson. Petko

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Speaker 1: is still down in Miami commentator doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: I did like listening to her dosal tones last night.

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Speaker 2: What's a match if you're going? Last time?

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Speaker 1: She was calling the Eagerson Tech match last night, So

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Speaker 1: there you go. She's been working all week. I saw

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Speaker 1: her down there when I was down there for a

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Speaker 1: brief moment. I'm back. But anyway, we've got a lot, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. I'm always interested because when

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Speaker 1: you pop into my apartment, you always like, ooh, We've

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Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about today, And I'm always

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Speaker 1: getting pretty excited about that.

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Speaker 3: It's a great one because you know, as much as

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Speaker 3: I like talking about match play and technique, which a

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Speaker 3: listener was pointing out to me over the weekend, that

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Speaker 3: not a lot of the shows in the podcast universe

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Speaker 3: like actually have conversations about technique and and I know

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Speaker 3: that that's shocking, but also I forget what a resource

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Speaker 3: are no.

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Speaker 2: Problem, it's it's I forget that not everybody has that.

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Speaker 2: I forget.

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Speaker 3: I don't forget that you and especially you know with

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Speaker 3: your coaching hat on, but also Andrea, like have such

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Speaker 3: an intimate understanding of the mechanics of tennis. But I

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Speaker 3: guess I it went. It doesn't go without saying that

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Speaker 3: that's a new unique.

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Speaker 2: Selling point for the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh what did they say?

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Speaker 3: They were like nobody, They were like, oh other shows.

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Speaker 1: Who is this person? Should we give them a little

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Speaker 1: love or do you not want to give them?

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Speaker 3: It's my friend Peter Klegg from the UK. He's a

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Speaker 3: devout listener. Hello Pita, and you know he always has

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Speaker 3: lots of opinions. He and I were texting a lot

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Speaker 3: about the Ratti Kanu sense that's happening because we are

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Speaker 3: both big big Emma Roti Kanu fans. I'm just trying

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Speaker 3: to push the Ratti Kanu agenda on this podcast and

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Speaker 3: now maybe for good reason, but you know.

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Speaker 1: We're still all now that Pete is English.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Peter is undoubtedly English, but he also has a

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Speaker 3: lot of very strong opinions and well formed ones. You

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Speaker 3: know from years of tennis spectating, his own rackets pross

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Speaker 3: background and also you know, watching and loving tennis the

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Speaker 3: way we do so anyway, it's such a good selling point,

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Speaker 3: but I don't have that much to contribute those conversations

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Speaker 3: This is where I really shane, which is like critiquing

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Speaker 3: governmental structures and getting it more.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to tell people why sticky wicked of

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Speaker 1: it all? Like, clearly I can talk tennis until my

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Speaker 2: Can, which is great, But you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't have a journalist's background. I don't have a journal

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Speaker 1: journalist degree. I am a professional and was a professional

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Speaker 1: tennis player, and so that is my expertise. And you know,

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Speaker 1: although people like to tell me on the old social

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Speaker 1: media's shut up and stick to tennis, I tell them

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Speaker 1: to go f off because I'm also allowed to have

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Speaker 1: an opinion, and you sure do. And it really that

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Speaker 1: The thing that really irks me about when people say

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Speaker 1: that like stick to sports, you know they tell athletes

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Speaker 1: that all the time, is that the intersection of between politics,

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Speaker 1: worldviews and sports is always and always has been a

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Speaker 1: part of the world. Look at the Munich Olympics. I mean, hello,

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Speaker 3: Look look at the Olympics with you know, a country intercision. Uh,

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Speaker 3: the Mexico City Olympics. Look at yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Australian Open. Look at We've had demonstrations,

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Speaker 1: people to say that, I mean, and also, I'm a human,

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a human being. You also a tax

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Speaker 1: payer in America. In America, I have an American passport.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, just that, just that, Rather do you.

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Speaker 3: Do this to yourself because I did a breeding ground

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Speaker 1: That's a tennis player. It is. I like to hit

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, reportage, newspaper and magazine journalism. I like

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Speaker 3: don't mind dysfunction. I understand it decently well, both on

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Speaker 3: but the structure around it has never been more clearly dysfunctional.

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Speaker 3: Whether it has always been functionally this bad or not

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Speaker 2: Imagine how well it.

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Speaker 3: Could be doing if we had one governing body, if

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Speaker 1: Organizational structure, professional tennis.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, much like what inspired me to cover

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Speaker 2: It, which is like from upon high.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you know one of the reasons we're bringing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's everybody they don't want to touch, which is

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Speaker 1: it in Layman's terms here, like basically, the winner of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, which is a nice sense check until you

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Speaker 1: Is it's a great check. But when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: For them the way that I would put it, not

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Speaker 3: So they're getting six hundred thousand dollars per match, like

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Speaker 2: The better way to understand it.

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Speaker 3: Is Wimbledon makes a little under five hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: It's a proportion deal. They're earning so much more than

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Speaker 3: your exact correct point, it's not exactly the tours.

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Speaker 3: Responsible for a lot of the issues that the players face.

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Speaker 3: That said, to bring everybody back the PTPA, which is

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Speaker 3: group started by Novak Djokovic. Vasikpaspacil was an early supporter

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Speaker 2: Has now sued wtaatp IATA.

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Speaker 3: And IF and they've sued them for a number of

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Speaker 3: different things, non competition, they've sued them for dangerous working conditions.

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Speaker 3: They've sued them for a lack of transparency when a

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Speaker 3: which is what they're meant to do for the players

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Speaker 3: to have a better outcome on the tour. These players

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Speaker 3: play eleven months a year. They're not let in on

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Speaker 3: the nuts and bolts of the lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: In reading about it.

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Speaker 3: However, the actual nuts and bolts of what they're suing

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Speaker 3: and in the case of ATP, they own you know,

436
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Speaker 3: the next gen finals and JEDTA and the ATP finals.

437
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Speaker 1: That has been intro and the same with the IP.

438
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Speaker 1: So you know, it is a question of the PTPA

439
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 1: if they really want to make a difference, they have

440
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 1: to garner more support from the from the larger ATP

441
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Speaker 1: and WTA players. First of all, for sure, that's for

442
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 1: the number one thing. If you don't have the players support,

443
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Speaker 1: if you don't know, if you don't have a Jack

444
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: Draper who gets asked this question, he goes, I don't

445
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: have any idea what they do. I don't know what

446
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: you're talking about. La la, la la la. I mean

447
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: he was just like even Novak.

448
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 3: Djokovic's like, hey, why's your name on the lawsuit of

449
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: the group that you started?

450
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: And he was like, I don't agree with everything that's

451
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: in the lastsuit.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like, if you're going to go and

453
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Speaker 1: do this lawsuit, I think that, Look, I think there's

454
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Speaker 1: an opportunity here, a big opportunity here. You think about, like,

455
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Speaker 1: for example, what Live Golf did right. What Greg Norman did,

456
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: Greg a lot of shit right. And he's been a

457
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: bit of a lightning bowl, lightning rod with the PGA.

458
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: He fought against the PGA for a long time. He

459
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Speaker 1: felt like there was a little bit of the same

460
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Speaker 1: of what's happening now that they were taking advantage of

461
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Speaker 1: the players and they weren't paying them enough, YadA YadA, YadA,

462
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: all the things right. So he sort of saw an

463
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Speaker 1: opportunity with theis with the Saudi money clearly to have

464
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Speaker 1: a rival tour, and he went out and took a

465
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Speaker 1: lot of bows and arrows and he got that done. Now,

466
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Speaker 1: is it whitewashing sports in a way? In golf, the

467
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: one of the biggest sports in the world. Absolutely, they

468
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: went and got the Saudi money, they put a rival

469
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Speaker 1: to her on and they got hundreds of They got

470
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Speaker 1: many many players from the PGA tour, some of the

471
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Speaker 1: biggest ones in the world to go and play that

472
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Speaker 1: and get paid one hundred and two hundred million dollars

473
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Speaker 1: to go and do it. So of course players are

474
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Speaker 1: going to go and sign that deal and go and

475
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Speaker 1: do it because they now have generational wealth for their

476
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Speaker 1: family forever and ever and ever, now you can say,

477
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Speaker 1: well that was shitty, the Rory McElroy's and Tiger Woods

478
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: going out, I'm not going to the Saudias. Well sorry,

479
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: you guys, you have hundreds and hundreds of millions of

480
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Speaker 1: dollars in the bank. Some of these other golfers that

481
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: maybe saw an opportunity to have fifty million dollars in

482
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Speaker 1: the bank, knowing that they were never going to have

483
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Speaker 1: that type of money. Of course they're going to jump ship.

484
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: So there was an opportunity there. And now all of

485
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Speaker 1: a sudden, you see two years later guests who's getting

486
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Speaker 1: in bed to other live and the PGA tour. So,

487
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you want to say about Greg in

488
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: that situation, he managed to figure out a way to

489
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Speaker 1: get these tours to actually talk to each other. Now

490
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: he's been pushed out, and Rory and Tiger and another

491
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Speaker 1: guys like, you know, we're the men. Now we've got

492
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: well not really. What you have to have is you

493
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: have to have somebody come in and maybe make a

494
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Speaker 1: big difference. But the people at the PTPA and the

495
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Speaker 1: people leading them are not the people to do that,

496
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Speaker 1: and they're not doing a good job because this is

497
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Speaker 1: a perfect example of as you said, when you walked

498
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Speaker 1: in and he's like, I like the idea, but what

499
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: the fuck is not a good strategy?

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Speaker 2: Doesn't seem hard.

501
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Speaker 3: First of all, suing anybody in any contact is super easy.

502
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: Failing a lawsuit is sadly very easy, super common. Yeah,

503
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: and because the barrier to entry is super low, you

504
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: don't even have to country, especially in America, which is

505
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: where this last suit has been failed in the years

506
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Speaker 3: of their existence. Getting not only more players, as you say,

507
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: which is what Greg Norman did, which is getting the popular.

508
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: He got a lot of really big players.

509
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter

510
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: what you think about the players, It doesn't matter what

511
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: you think about the amount of money if you have

512
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: the will of the players, the players are the asset here.

513
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: That's the actual value.

514
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Speaker 1: Of the sport.

515
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: It's not the Wimbledon shirts and the brand and the

516
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 3: TV rights because if there's nothing to air, then those

517
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: TV rights are worthless. If there's no you know, player

518
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: on the on the court, you're not going to Wimbledon

519
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: to buy the shirt, right And so for me, the

520
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: players in doing this have kind of fired a gun

521
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: half cocked where it's like Okay, you know that you

522
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: guys are the most valuable part, so you need to

523
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 3: get everyone unified, or at least a huge, huge majority.

524
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Speaker 2: Of you, and then the other thing.

525
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Speaker 3: And I don't think that this is particularly hard because

526
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Speaker 3: we've had conversations about you know, Billy jan King doing

527
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: this and helping other leagues when they've been organizing and starting.

528
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: You know, there are so many examples now, you know,

529
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Speaker 3: one of one of our listeners, a guy called Mark

530
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: Shapiro who lives in California, was talking to me about like, hey,

531
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Speaker 3: if you've been following what boxing has done, they got

532
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 3: Saudi money. Again, however you feel about that. What they

533
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: did was they got Saudi money, They created a meaningful

534
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: amount of competitions that counted towards something else. They created

535
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 3: a spectacle, they marketed it, They got all the best boxers,

536
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 3: and now boxing has been revitalized.

537
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: Boxing is a sport I don't care about. I don't watch,

538
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: I never will, and all of it is not appealing

539
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 3: That said, from a structural perspective, if you're the PTPA

541
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Speaker 3: and you say, hey, look, we've spent all this time

542
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Speaker 3: getting all the players on the same page.

543
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Speaker 2: How do we how we put a plan together. So

544
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Speaker 2: we're going to.

545
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: Actually eschew the tours. We'll just deal right with the

546
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Speaker 3: Grand Slams. And here's our plan. And when you ask them,

547
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: they don't really have one. And so again, but Caitlin,

548
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: what I'm missed.

549
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Speaker 1: Opportunity one of the reasons for this, and I really

550
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Speaker 1: and I want no player to take offense to this.

551
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: But we're not the smartest. Tennis players are not super educated.

552
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: They come onto the tours at seventeen, sixteen, eighteen whatever.

553
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: They haven't gone to school, they haven't got a college,

554
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: they haven't studied finance, they haven't studied economics, they haven't

555
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: studied you know whatever. They need to study business acumens

556
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: at all. We're talking about tennis players that are looking

557
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: at each other going, yeah, we want this and we

558
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: want that, and they're easily led in certain ways. Well,

559
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: and I want smart conversations and people that represent the players,

560
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Speaker 1: that actually have the players' perspectives and have the players,

561
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Speaker 1: you know, their interests at the main heart of it.

562
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Speaker 1: And I think those are the people that need to

563
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: be talking about for the players, you know, not the players,

564
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: maybe that, but the agents are a problem. Caitlin, This

565
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: is again another this is why people don't invest in

566
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Speaker 1: tennis because it is so muddied.

567
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think, just to follow up on your point,

568
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: I think maybe as educated or not as the players

569
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Speaker 3: are a lot of them smelled a stinker and stayed far.

570
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: Away from this.

571
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: Yes, it's my point.

572
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Speaker 3: The PTB has been trying very hard to recruit and

573
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 3: they have not.

574
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: They have not recruited anyone.

575
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: They have not succeeded, No, based on their names, on that, on.

576
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: That, And that's that's the concern I have in just

577
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: in terms of everything, is that we are not talking

578
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Speaker 1: about people that are involved in this that either speak

579
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: really well to the to the actual problems. And the

580
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: fact that they're not even involved and haven't involved the

581
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: Grand Slams to me is the biggest tell. Yeah.

582
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: If I'm the Tours, I get why they send a

583
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: note to the Grand Slams. What the Tours should actually

584
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: do is say, hey, look we said we were in

585
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: a union before, but we actually are. We control labor,

586
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: negotiate with us Slams or we'll have a work stoppage.

587
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: I mean, that's how you get the players on board,

589
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: and that's how you get you know, some movement, So

590
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: maybe that's what needs to happen.

591
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: But I was hoping the PCPA.

592
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: Would turn out to be more real, and I am

593
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: sort of confused.

594
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: And well, to be continued, I guess to be continued.

595
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's going to be continued into nothing and

596
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: into oblivion. But anyway, oh listen, enough with that, enough

597
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: with the debarcle of the PTPA and ATP and WTA,

598
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: Let's get to the Miami Open, where a lot has happened.

599
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: Kate love it. I mean, can we talk about the carnage.

600
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: First of all, everyone that did well in Indian Wells

601
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: crapped out completely in Miami. Just done. And I can

602
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: give you two reasons for that, complete exhaustion, which is

603
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: why it is a fucking terrible idea to have back

604
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: to back tier ones. Sorry it is back to back

605
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: one thousands is a terrible idea. It also dilutes the product.

606
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: But whatever, what do I know, And especially going from

607
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: Indian Wells to Miami, conditions are completely different. The court

608
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: was a little faster in Miami. The balls are different.

609
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: It was Wilson balls in Innie Wells. It is dunelop

610
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: balls in Miami. You have humidity and different conditions. It

611
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: was quite cool in Miami. Actually it was like days

612
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: where they were cool, days where it was hot and

613
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: humid more so a lot more than Indian Wales. And

614
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: then India Wells is dry and desert conditions. So that's

615
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: why it's really hard to win the double. It's hard

616
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: to do the Sunshine Double because it is such different conditions.

617
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: I always joke about just ask Allndsay Davenport, who won

618
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: like Indian was like five or six times and could

619
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Speaker 1: never win Miami. And so we saw that at its

620
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: peak again at this tournament. It's really hard to go

621
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: back to back.

622
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: I think for me too, the tapes of players we

624
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: were getting who won and went deep in Indian Wells

625
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: were some new feaces. There was a lot of new energy.

626
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: I mean, sure you had your egos, who's used to

627
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: going deep in a tournament?

628
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: Yes, and she I think just broke a record. I

629
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Speaker 1: don't know what it was, Yesterda was like twenty one

630
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: or I'm sure somebody will tell me on the socials,

631
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: but it was a certain amount of consecutive quarterfinals at

632
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: W two one thousand.

633
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: Hit now, so staggering records like that or not, don't

634
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: get a lot of shame, but actually that that's to

635
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: me day in, weekend, week out, for sure results.

636
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: That is somebody who turns up to every big tournament

637
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: every single time and is there to win it, and

638
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean she's gonna win it, but she will be

639
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: in that last section of the draw every single time

640
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: at the biggest tournaments. And that's remarkable. So it's also

641
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: one people say, oh, how can she be ranked there

642
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: and why is she one or two in the world.

643
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: It's like, because she's consistently fucking good every time and

644
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.

645
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: What, regardless of conditions, regardless of regardless of service. So yeah,

646
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: I wasn't terribly surprised that, you know, outside of a

647
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: few names, there are you know a lot of folks

648
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: who didn't make it very far on the draw. I mean,

649
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: I think one of the stats was the vast majority

650
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Speaker 3: of folks who went deep in near was lost in

651
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: the first round yea Miami. You know, again, not a surprise.

652
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: But I think for me, the storylines that I'm following

653
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: that are really really interested in are obviously Gail Fonseca,

654
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: who just lost in a in a pretty big battle

655
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: he brought out all the Brazilians.

656
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he was the atmosphere last night with

657
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Alex Dimonor was arguably the best crowd I've ever heard.

658
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it was incredible love that. I mean, you

659
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: always want to have a Grand Slam in South America.

660
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 1: I know this. You want to take away the Oceana

661
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: and you want to put it in South America. Well, Caitlin,

662
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you we have a Grand Slam

663
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: in South America. It's called Miami because there are so

664
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: many Brazilians, Ecuadorians, Argentinians, I mean, you name it from

665
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: the from the Southern American part of this world that

666
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: come to Miami or live in Miami now that are

667
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: at that tournament. It's It's always been unbelievable anytime I

668
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: played to South American and at the Miami Open and

669
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fuck, this is going to be a nightmare.

670
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: And it was, and Alex Demanoor handled it. Because the

671
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: thing that people don't realize about Alex Demnoy is put

672
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: him in an environment like that. It's like Davis Cup

673
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: and he lives for that shits. I love when he

674
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: won to and he just stood there and he looked

675
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: over at his box and he just went fun, you know,

676
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: because he speaks fluent.

677
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: He speaks always. It's just like bomb loose how about that?

678
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: And I thought it was great and fon Seca is

679
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: so fun to watch.

680
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: I love matches like that because it sort of illustrates

681
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: I think the possibilities of tennis, not in in terms

682
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: of like sports stories and up and coming players, but

683
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: just this idea that you know, somebody who consistently does well,

684
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: a lot of grand slams, who's kind of always in

685
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: the conversation but never quite on the tip of your tongue.

686
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: Alex Demnor, you know.

687
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: Because he keeps running with sinner like this is his

688
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: best opportunity to win a title because Youngixin is not.

689
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that that is emerging as a

690
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: possibility for sure because of who's left in the draft.

691
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no doubt that Alex Dimonor is not not

692
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the player to beat in this tournament, but he's certainly

693
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: there and beating Fonseca last night in that environment is

694
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: going to give him so much, like, you know, just

695
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: confidence in his ability to be able to handle, you know,

696
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the world right now,

697
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: certainly one of the best young talents in the world.

698
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: But he has the ability to win a tour.

699
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of really interesting names, like a lot

700
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: of whom I think could win it. Zverev can win

701
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: it or through feasts like he's beaten zeb They played

702
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: an eight pretty memorably in a match in the fall.

703
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: It's nice to see Seb quarter back in good forum

704
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: and healthy. He's got gayl month Feast who's like somehow

705
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: turning back time.

706
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just stumble elect.

707
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: This is also like what the feast beat said in

708
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: him wells, so it could be a little of because

709
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Sev is from he is from Florida, so this and

710
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: conditions that he really likes. It's a little bit quicker

711
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: Morphie prefers that little bit slower conditions that he was

712
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: getting in India. Well, so I think that Seb might

713
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: get a little revenge on Gael today.

714
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: But I just think it's a great I mean, Demitravi's

715
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: still in it. What a nice thing is to see

716
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: him beating catch enough, Like, I just I like the

717
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: fact there's just a bunch of different storylines that are exciting.

718
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: Well, I'm personally we haven't talked about clearly as Novak

719
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: and him sort of getting through the draw pretty comfortably.

720
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: Mussetti he plays today, that'll be interesting. Mossetti's obviously had

721
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: a great twelve months, soho has the confidence to go

722
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: out there and beat someone like Novak? But yeah, I

723
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: mean Berrettini as well playing terrific and Alex Dimonor who

724
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: he has next. Taylor Fritz is somebody that we haven't

725
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: talked about, who did not do well in Indian Wales,

726
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: who really wants to do well on American style, and

727
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: this is a tournament clearly that is good for him.

728
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: He goes up against lucky loser Neil Walton from so Adam,

729
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: so we'll see how well Taylor does. So you would

730
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: think that Taylor has a really good shot as well.

731
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: Francis Tiafo again loses. He loses to Arthur Fierce. I mean,

732
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know what's going on with with with Francis.

733
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: He's sort of lost his mojo a little bit. I

734
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: mean it was a good three set.

735
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: Match, but yeah, what do you think is going on?

736
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, maybe he's peaked. I

737
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: think he peaked like he did a couple of years

738
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: ago at the US Open, I think that, Look, he

739
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of weapons, and at some point

740
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: you kind of do plateau at a certain place. I

741
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: think he's probably made enough for money to be super

742
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: comfortable in the rest of his life. Is that a

743
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: determining factor of pushing him to the toughest of toughest

744
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: of moments, Maybe, you know, sign a big, big contract

745
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: thanks to Josh Smoller, he's a terrific agent with Lula Lemon,

746
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know, I think is that

747
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: part of it? Maybe for me?

748
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: I love Tiao, he's grief, his for it.

749
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: He's really fun, but also he's never been top ten material.

750
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: To me, his game just isn't good.

751
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. No, he's dynamic, and you know, he's

752
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: got a great backhand and he's I mean he is

753
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: he does.

754
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: Everything is okay. No, his technique is totally busted on

755
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: both sides.

756
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: His technique is busted. I mean, he's backhand is pretty.

757
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: He shovels the backhand, and he's got a forehand that's

758
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: all over Jesus do. I love the guy absolutely and

759
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: I'd fight for him to the death. But like to me,

760
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: the fact that he made it into the top ten

761
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: was indicative of like playing above his pay gride frankly,

762
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: and like some other people kind of fallen.

763
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: Off like you.

764
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: In all things being Eagle World FANTASYAFO should not be

765
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: in the top ten as much as I like.

766
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Well, he won't be.

767
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: By the end of the and he definitely won't be

768
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: headed back anyway. But I think for me, the one

769
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm watching the women.

770
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to the women. Oh my god, what

771
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: a great tournament we've We've had some upsets. I think

772
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: the big I think the big storyline, Well, there's lots,

773
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: so let let me start with the top half of

774
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: the drawer. Obviously, Sablanca is just crushing everyone left and right.

775
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: How to you know, six four to six four match

776
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: against Daniel Collins, defending champion. But saba Anka is crushing

777
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: everyone in this tournament. And no surprise, your buddy chin

778
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: when has a bit of a comeback here.

779
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: She likes the humid conditions there.

780
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she has been comfortably winning in straight

781
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: sets through her tournament.

782
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: I have to say I don't like her.

783
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: Adds, I do not like her Sablanca. I think Sabalanca

784
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: is going to beat her in straight sets as well.

785
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm just more looking can Chinwen make more progress based

786
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: on the last time she last to Sabalanca in straight sets, like,

787
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: maybe could she.

788
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: Get a set?

789
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for.

790
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: No, I don't think.

791
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't think, But that's what Somebody else who was

792
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised that they ended up going out

793
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: yesterday was Coco GoF She was playing really well, very comfortable,

794
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: couple of wins, an O and O match against Kennon

795
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: which was crazy, and you know, Kennon beat confit of

796
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: her in the first round, and then Maria Sakari. She

797
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: took care of her comfortably, but Maria has been struggling

798
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. But to lose to

799
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: Magna Lynette, I mean, Lynette is this type of player

800
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: that when she gets hot, she's really quite a good player.

801
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: I mean, she reached a semi final of a Grand

802
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: Slam at one time. But to beat Coco Gough four

803
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: and four in Florida tons.

804
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: Of support, doesn't make any sense.

805
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: It's just Coco is just Yeah, there's a lot missing there,

806
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of it just comes down to again,

807
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: the same stuff. The double folding the foehand. It's just like,

808
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: at some point you have to go and break that

809
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: down a little bit and get some confidence on it. Look,

810
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried about her, because I think when

811
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: she gets on the clay she plays even better.

812
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: She's gonna deal.

813
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, your confidence has to suffer.

814
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: And she has not gotten to a latter part of

815
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: a tournament in a long time. And when you're talking

816
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: about the consistency of an Eagershound Tech and a Sablenka,

817
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: Coco's not having that. And so she has really dropped

818
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: out of that top tier five level yep. And losing

819
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: to Magnala Dad is not a good loss at the

820
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Miami Open for her. Pauolini also has had a tough year.

821
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I like the she has gotten through incidents half matches,

822
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: and that went against Osaka yesterday was big time because

823
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: she lost the first set. You know, Paulini beat you know,

824
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: got the retirement against Onji burse sending out our love

825
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: to onscard. You know, she just can't crack it with

826
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: the injuries so over the last couple of years, and

827
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: you just wonder how much that's going to really affect her. Career.

828
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: To be honest, I think she wants to have a family. Like,

829
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: at some point you start going, how much fucking rehab

830
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: do I have to do to get back on too?

831
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be another year, thankfully.

832
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: It sounds like Froman's camp it's a slate muscle tweak,

833
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: so she'll probably be on clay no without too long.

834
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure she won't be going back to Charleston where

835
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: she has won the tournament before, but like, hopefully we'll

836
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: it's a bummer for the tournament, which is a bummer

837
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: for the tournament because she's such a fun so personality.

838
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: But Paulini getting through that match against Osaka Osaka was

839
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: looking pretty good, like everyone's like, oh, here we go,

840
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: this is going to be the tournament that gets you

841
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: back on the map, and then burm. She goes out

842
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: to Pauolini who just doggedly, determinedly got through that match.

843
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Yes today, I mean it was awesome.

844
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I was really happy because I don't

845
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: think Paolini pleaded that well, no, but she just you know,

846
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: those sort of defining but yeah, I actually think those

847
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: are more important matches because anybody can win when you're

848
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: playing well and feeling great and feeling confident when you

849
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: get through something, especially against somebody who's all of a

850
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: sudden kind of found her form, and you gut it

851
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: out and you just run it down and you put

852
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: it back and play. That actually, to me is a

853
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: character building when that I love from Pelini for sure, and.

854
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: For Pauolini to to know that you're playing Magdalette instead

855
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: of Naomi Osaka and the next match has to make

856
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: you feel No, I'm not saying that Lynette is not

857
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: a good player.

858
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the fact that you're sorry and he doesn't

859
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: have to go and against Coca cough.

860
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I meant. Sorry, instead of playing Coco,

861
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: who is going to have the crowd and you know,

862
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: you just know what she's capable of doing, instead you're

863
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: playing Magdalinette, that's a whole different.

864
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: Story, for sure.

865
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: It's just mentally.

866
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: I like the Paladusa looked pretty good.

867
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: She obviously had like her stra the injuries. Just yeah, listen,

868
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a rat kind of fan.

869
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: Listen. I was about to say, let's get to the

870
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: bottom half of the drawer because Emma Radakano has turned

871
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: has she turned her career around with that win against

872
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: Emma Navarro agreed and there super high level no doubt

873
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: that that has made her turn her possibly turn her

874
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: career around. And I you know, everyone's going to hyperbole

875
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: and all the shit. You don't understand. You don't understand

876
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: what it takes to gut through a match like that,

877
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 1: because in all sense of the word defeat, she should

878
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: have lost that match. Now she should have won it,

879
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: and then Emmon looked like she should have won it.

880
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: And it was just one of those matches that went

881
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: back and forth and Emma Neavarro, you know, I think

882
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I put out on Twitter, you know, beware Emma Navarro

883
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: down a set, down a break, and someone serving for

884
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: the match, because that's when she's come back and won

885
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: so many matches this year. So I thought that was

886
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: going to happen. But Emma stepped up. That Radakanu stepped

887
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: up in that match more than I've ever seen her

888
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: step up since she won the US Open. She went

889
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: for it. She was aggressive. The only time she wasn't

890
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: really aggressive was when she served for the match at

891
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: five to three. She pulled back a little bit. And

892
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. I was texting with Jill Schmoler

893
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: during the match, and I was like wow. I was like,

894
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: you know, because Jill is representing her and helping her

895
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: out a little bit, and I was like, you know,

896
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: if Emma stays, if Radakana wins this match, she has

897
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: to say aggressive. And she did that and so I

898
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: think that gave her so much confidence. She obviously wins

899
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: the next match with a retirement.

900
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: But was yeah, it was a one way traffic.

901
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: And then to beat Anissimova, who took out Andreva the

902
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: night before. Can we just talk about mirror. There was

903
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: no doubt that she hit the wall in that match.

904
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: You could see it. Actually, she just looked from one

905
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: point to the next.

906
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Spent she was. I know that she was not feeling

907
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: well before the match, and so she went on the

908
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: court maybe a little bit not feeling good. Hence the

909
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: just her attitude had. Having the trainer come out at

910
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: two to one in the first set is highly unusual. Agree,

911
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: but you know, I'll give a credit as a seventeen

912
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: year old. She hung in there when she could have

913
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: given it up, especially after losing the first set. She

914
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: hung in there and looked like she was going to

915
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: win the match. And then anissam Ova just turned it

916
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: around and third set and started hitting winners all over

917
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: the place. But Mira certainly showed her age and the

918
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: fact that she hit the wall and mentally acted like

919
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: Mirra Andreva from two years ago. I mean, there was

920
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: mum left the box. Conch had lost all control of her.

921
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: It was just like, fuck everybody, I hate everything, I

922
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: hate being out here.

923
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: And then a Nissamova during the service game called for

924
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: the okay, so I want to get to that.

925
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: So the blister. If anyone follows Amanda Anissimova on Instagram,

926
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: you would have seen and a lot of people reposted

927
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: the blister on her finger. That was a really bad blessing.

928
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: It looked like a gap, like a goal.

929
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: It was horrible. Now, I don't know if any of

930
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: you have played tennis, certainly haven't played it professionally, and

931
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: knowing you don't know a bad guest, Yeah, let's let's hope.

932
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: But a blister that size on your finger fucking kills

933
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: when you're trying to hit the ball. Now, she asked

934
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: for the trainer, right, she asked for the trainer on

935
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: the next changeover, so to make sure because you have

936
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: to let the physios know because they're in the physio room.

937
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: They're in the locker room. They're not sitting by the

938
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: court unless it's the final. They're not sitting by the

939
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: court because there's only so many physios and they're doing

940
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of work and labor in the rooms,

941
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: in the locker rooms at the time of matches. So

942
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: like the amount of times I've been having a physio

943
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: wall get to the point, get the point, no, because

944
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: it's as important. So if you're in the locker room

945
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: and you've got four physios in there and there's seven

946
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: players wanting treatment, you're in a line, right, So a

947
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: physio will be working on you, and then a call

948
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: will come over the radio trainer needed on center court

949
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: and they have to stop the treatment, grab their bags

950
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: and run out to the court. So Amanda, let the

951
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: umpire know, please make sure the physio's out here on

952
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: the next changeover, okay, So that gives them time to

953
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: get out there, so you're not waiting for them. So

954
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: and of course she's up three to one in the third,

955
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: so she doesn't want to stop her momentum. And then

956
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: I'll give a credit. It was she was down or

957
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: upper game point. I can't remember. She lost some point

958
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: to go to juice. She knew immediately from hitting that ball.

959
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: Fucking hell, I cannot hit the ball anymore. And this

960
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: is a really important game for me. So it is

961
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: within the rules that if it's an acute injury. For example,

962
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: if someone sprains her ankle or does at knee or

963
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: falls and you know, breaks their finger or something, that's

964
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: an acute injury. So the phissia will come out and

965
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: assess if it's an acute injury. Now, if you said, oh,

966
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: I feel a bit of a pain in my knee,

967
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: they might do an assessment, let's say of an ACL

968
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: tear or a tear and say, oh, yeah, you've to

969
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: on your ACL or you know, you can keep playing

970
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: or it's up to you, right, So the physio makes

971
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: this assessment. If it's a cute now looking at that finger,

972
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: that's a cute. That's I cannot hit the tennis ball

973
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: now without being in a tremendous amount of pain, which

974
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: Anissa overplayed, I believe three points after asking for the physio. Now,

975
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: she knew going into that there was going to be

976
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: juice add and it could go juice add juice add juice,

977
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: add like ten more times. Meanwhile, the finger's getting worse.

978
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: She can't hit the ball, so she decided to call

979
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: the trainer. Now a lot of people are pat to

980
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: stab there because that's allowed in the rules.

981
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: We didn't set this up.

982
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: She called the trainer in between first and second serves.

983
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: That's why this was controversial. Not only did it happen

984
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: in the middle of a service game, but she called

985
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 3: it in the middle of a service motion. I agree

986
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: with you completely that it's within the rules and if

987
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: you can't swing a racket without screaming pain. But watching

988
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: the match, it was in between first and second serves.

989
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember that.

990
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 2: I'm Mira Andreva.

991
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. And because of that, I remember

992
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: walking up to the chair and saying, can I get

993
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: the physio and the again, I'm not doing that partic

994
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: for one, She's like for blister for my finger or whatever,

995
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: and she said, what the empire is? Like, what do

996
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: I need to And this has happened to me before.

997
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: It's like, if I asked for the fucking trainer, just

998
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: call the trainer. You don't need to ask me what

999
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: my injury is because I don't want my opponent to

1000
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: know what my injury is.

1001
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: On the other hand, there are players who abuse it

1002
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: to such a degree that you can't give everyone the

1003
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 3: bed of the doubt. No, well that's the lake Novak

1004
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: is getting a manicure on his toes half the time

1005
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: when you know, like famously and everyone's.

1006
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: Like, is this guy injured? Is this a blisters? Is

1007
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: it thing?

1008
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot. It's not just throw back under

1009
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: the bus. This has been a lot of players that

1010
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: have down a lot of shitty things. I don't think

1011
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: Amanda has that. From what I know, Amanda does.

1012
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: Not have that agreed agreed and I'm not bringing us

1013
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: around a teture.

1014
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm bringing I'm bringing this up to explain why so

1015
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: many people were upset about it, because I think the

1016
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: way you explained it sounded like, of course, a logical

1017
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 3: person would allow Amanda Nissimova to address a well and

1018
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: also Caitlin.

1019
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: Shrieking paint injury.

1020
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: But the reason it was controversial is because people maybe

1021
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: don't understand the rules of the context about how long

1022
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: it takes to get to the court, or the fact

1023
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: that she is allowed to do it in the middle

1024
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: of play if it is an acute injury, which I

1025
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: think it was, so I'm not I'm not trying to

1026
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: pile on Mara won the game.

1027
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, true, But actually the.

1028
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: Reason I brought this up is because Mira Andreva, under

1029
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: normal circumstances, is cool as a cucumber, as she's been

1030
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: and how well coached she is in the last year,

1031
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: certainly since the beginning of the year, doesn't care about that.

1032
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: Mira Andreva, who hits a wall, who can't control herself anymore,

1033
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: is freaking out and this is becomes the thing that

1034
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: is like the reason that she loses the match. Yeah,

1035
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: I mean, and I think that's the difference between somebody

1036
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: and command of their emotions and then themselves with their

1037
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: coaches voice in their head saying like keep cool, you

1038
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: got this, breathe yes, and somebody who's like, fuck this,

1039
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna burn it all down, like I'm mad at

1040
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: everyone so much so that aman Anissamberg got some blowback

1041
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: on the socials, showed everyone her blister and while she.

1042
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: Was doing so, flip the bird, well, she.

1043
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: Flipped the boat was awesome. It was on the bird finger,

1044
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: which is I would not have been any better that

1045
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: it was great but also she then went out and

1046
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: lost comfortably the next day to Emma Radakanu. But also,

1047
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: what the WTF is that? What the what the WTF

1048
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: on the scheduling of having her play at night and

1049
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: putting her third on the next day. Now, a lot

1050
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 1: of people won't think, well, that's pretty late, But also

1051
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I want to know how we have these ten day

1052
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: events and players are having to do that kind of

1053
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: a schedule. That is bullshit.

1054
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of critique of the Miami Open.

1055
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: Why isn't she scheduling the next night?

1056
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: Again, I will play devil's advocate in this scenario as

1057
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: much as I want to critique the Miami Up in

1058
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: a tournament that I feel should be in different hands

1059
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: at a different venue, potentially at a different time of year,

1060
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 3: and say, I have now comfort believe that scheduling tennis

1061
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: matches is unbelievably difficult because of the amount of matches

1062
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 3: you have to get through, whether throws, wrenches and plans.

1063
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: Some matches go fast on some courts and then they're

1064
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: sitting empty. Other matches take forever and there's a bottleneck.

1065
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: So I get that you do have to like kind

1066
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: of keep a lot of balls in the air literally

1067
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: and figuratively to make sure that everyone. Plus there's TV

1068
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: rights and China is paying, and they wanted their player

1069
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: at a certain time, and ESPN wants to probably presumably

1070
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: an American or this time, you know, tennis channel. So

1071
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: like you know, there's a lot of factors here that

1072
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: need to go into it. Do we think this person's

1073
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: a huge draw? Maybe in this tournament, but maybe not

1074
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: the next one. So how do we handle which sized

1075
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: stadium to put them on? You know, a lot of

1076
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: things are more politics, But.

1077
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: That would have been very, very hard for Amanda to

1078
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: back up because they didn't get finished till about.

1079
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: Did you watch the match? I did?

1080
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: I mean I watched every point of that basically, I

1081
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: mean not to saying anything away from Amarata Kana, who,

1082
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: when healthy and in sound mind, which I think she

1083
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: appears to be to your point, is a free, creative, thoughtful,

1084
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: elegant player like I can't say enough a better game,

1085
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: which is why I'm always rooted for her. I'm I'm

1086
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: erat Kana, but you know, barely made that a match.

1087
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 3: Like she was shaking ball, she was on sorts. She

1088
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: could tell she was also different completely.

1089
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: The atmosphere, playing at night, heavier conditions. Then you go

1090
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: on the day, you know, breezy conditions in Miami, it's lost,

1091
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: like you can't see the ball properly. Like she had

1092
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: looked like a until maybe maybe maybe two o'clock in

1093
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: the morning. Maybe I would stress probably more two or

1094
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: three in the morning.

1095
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: And then she's playing you know, you know, during the day,

1096
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: late hour or something.

1097
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: It's like waking up the next day and having to

1098
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: go out there and play against you know, a player

1099
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 1: who's playing tremendous tenness. Anyway, So Emma Radicano, I'm super

1100
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: happy that she has done well because she is a

1101
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: name and a player that we need to do well.

1102
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: And I have to say this. I think six months ago,

1103
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: if you'd said, is Emma Radakanu going to be inside

1104
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: the top ten again, I would have said I doubt it.

1105
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: And it's not because I didn't believe in her ability.

1106
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a Grand Slam champion, but I

1107
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: just felt like the injuries and the no coach, coach,

1108
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: no coach, all the stuff, the stalker, you know, she

1109
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: always has just so much going on around her, and

1110
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: I just feel like with this confidence, there's no question

1111
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: she can be back inside the top ten because the

1112
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: tennis that I saw her play against Emma Navarro in particular,

1113
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: it was great, was so good, it was such good tennis,

1114
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: and her serving was better. I do believe that she

1115
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: she's gonna win Wimbledon. Everybody.

1116
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: And the last thing I'll say about Emma, which is

1117
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: why I like watching her play, it's still clear that

1118
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: she's very intelligent, which to me, I understand why that

1119
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: that's I thought you're gonna say, I understand, which I

1120
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: really to as an extremely intelligent person myself. No, she's

1121
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: still clear that there's a lot going out in her head,

1122
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: which is why she plays a really creative style when

1123
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: she is confident and while she plays like sort of

1124
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: befuddled when when she's not. And I don't know that

1125
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: the coaching and the sort of reaction that she's the

1126
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: sort of crowd that she had around her has really

1127
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: appreciated that about her. I think she has a part

1128
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 3: time woman coach who's a British player, who kind of

1129
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: like seems to like economics, who's a yeah exactly, who's

1130
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: like a titan of industry and in the business world.

1131
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: But I think she must feel like she's on the.

1132
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: Level got yeah, and also got like the right amount

1133
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: of distance, Like, I don't think she needs somebody like

1134
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: barking down her throat, like treating her like she's a

1135
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: seatball hitting a type of player, because she's not. She

1136
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: needs somebody to be like, hey, you got this. Like

1137
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of tools. Maybe it's too many,

1138
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: but let's focus.

1139
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: If she can work on her coming into the net

1140
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: and her swing bollies yeah, and being a little bit

1141
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: more aggressive in that term and that way, I think

1142
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: there's no question she can be back in Well.

1143
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: She's certainly certainly fun to watch and I'm really happy

1144
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: for her, most importantly that it looks like she's having

1145
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: fun out there.

1146
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Well, she's got a tough one against Jessicagula. She's just

1147
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: getting through her color Skaya match where I don't know

1148
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: what it is with her and Cullen Skyer, but they

1149
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: played barn Burner matches. Every match goes seven to six

1150
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: and the third it's crazy. But I think once Jess

1151
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: got through that match, she was comfortable against Costuok yesterday

1152
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: two and three. I think Jess is going to be

1153
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: tough to beat at this tournament. She practices and lives

1154
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: in southern South Florida, and so these conditions are perfect

1155
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: for her. But one player that's getting a lot of

1156
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: like publicity is Alexandra Ila. Oh yeah, no wild card,

1157
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: we wild card. Now My player Ellen Perez, who was

1158
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: down in Miami with the doubles player hit with Alexandra

1159
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: one day. It was before the tournament. Because she doesn't

1160
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: really know anyone out there. She's like, you know, she's

1161
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: a kid, like nineteen years of age. She's out there

1162
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: and she had up looking for someone to hit with, right,

1163
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: and so Ellen said, well, I know her a little bit,

1164
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, because Ellen talks to everybody, and she's like,

1165
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: I'll see if she wants to hit, and she's like, yeah, sure,

1166
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: i'll hit. So they went out and hit for an

1167
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: hour and it was such a good practice really, and

1168
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: she's a lefty and it plays similarly to Allen in

1169
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, you know. Now, Allen was a

1170
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: decent singles player in her own right, and they were

1171
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: crushing four hands to each other and it was a

1172
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch actually, and she was a

1173
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: sweetheart but sort of had no idea how to how

1174
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 1: things worked and was a little bit and her coach

1175
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: was a little bit the same, and it was just

1176
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: a really nice hour of practice and I thought, I

1177
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: don't know if she's good enough to you do well

1178
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: and doesn't really crack the ball big enough. And we

1179
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: sort of were a little bit like, oh, I don't know,

1180
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: And there she is. She's in the quarter finals. I

1181
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: mean ad Meddle. She had to walk over yesterday against Bodoza,

1182
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, to beat Madison Keys for and too. Maddie

1183
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: Kese just had a couple of bad losses in the

1184
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. It'll be interesting to see how

1185
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: she bounces back. I believe she's playing Charleston, which she's

1186
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: one before, so so we'll see.

1187
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm putting on my chips in the Mattie keys Grass

1188
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: quote Susy.

1189
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: I think she's going to be tough to beat at

1190
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: when we'll too egat Chion Tech. It's just again just

1191
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: crushing people left and right. She's had a couple of

1192
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: tough first sets. She's gone through seven six seven six

1193
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: on two occasions last night against Fitzelina and the match

1194
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: before against Elise Mertens. But she goes up against Ila today.

1195
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a comfortable victory in

1196
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: two sets unless Alexandra, Alexandra, can you know she should

1197
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: with something special?

1198
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 3: But I think her special thing should be as a

1199
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: graduate of the raff and Adel Academy, have Rafa flying

1200
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: in sitting in her box.

1201
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be fun?

1202
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: And also because you get such a Rafa fan little games, Oh.

1203
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be.

1204
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be exciting? If you look up and you're

1205
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: like heroes in your opponent's box?

1206
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: Can I just can I just talk to you about

1207
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: speaking of players boxes? Sure? Is this out on the

1208
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: old socials?

1209
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: This has to be And this is the end.

1210
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 3: This is the end.

1211
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: This is the end of the podcast.

1212
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: So we're building the end.

1213
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: We're building to put crescendo here. But I was watching

1214
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: Novak play the other day and he missed a forehand

1215
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: and he looks up at his playerbox and they of course,

1216
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: the camera goes to the playerbox and here's Andy mar

1217
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Are just sitting there just looking like a stun mullet, like,

1218
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, not giving him a stun mullet, a stunned mullet.

1219
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that?

1220
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: Good carry on?

1221
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: Very australianism. Basically, somebody just sitting there. Light deer in headlights. Sure, right,

1222
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: that's what Americans say. We don't have deers.

1223
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: You have mullets.

1224
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: We have mullets.

1225
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: Which is a bird, it's a fish. Okay.

1226
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, so there's Andy just sitting there like

1227
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: stun mullet, and he looks over and his physio gestures

1228
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: to him how to hit a forehand, like cover the forehand,

1229
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: cover it, cover it or whatever, get it out in front.

1230
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, I have had physios work

1231
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: with me on the tour, not many because I couldn't

1232
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: afford it, but from once in a blue moon. If

1233
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: I looks over at my playbox after missing a forehand

1234
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: and my coach was sitting there and my physio told

1235
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: me how to hit a fourhand, I would fucking tell

1236
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: them to leave. I'd be like, shut the fuck up.

1237
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: Why you are a physio. You have never hit a

1238
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: forehand in your life, certainly in a professional way, and

1239
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: you're telling me how to hit a fourhand.

1240
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: Once again, you're making an assumption, maybe with the tourist

1241
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: allows you with physios. The bigger question is why did

1242
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: Andy Murray say anything?

1243
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: Because Andy Murray knows there's nothing he can tell him

1244
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: that's going to make a difference in that situation? What

1245
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: is that? Because nobody knows what more? What is that?

1246
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: Because nobody knows more how to hit a forehand in

1247
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: the court. The Novak Djokovic knows exactly what he has

1248
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: to do to hit a good forehand? Does he need

1249
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: to have sometimes it reiterated to him by his coach maybe,

1250
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: but his physio and the same thing, the same thing happened.

1251
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the one that looks like an idiot

1252
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: because the guy wins more than anybody has ever done

1253
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: in history, so clearly something works for him. Maybe the

1254
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: physio or the trainers hear what the coach has told him,

1255
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: so then they say it to him because oh no,

1256
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: he's speaking in Serbian.

1257
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: Maybe he just needed some VABs.

1258
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: But I don't know. But like even at the French

1259
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: Open a number of years ago, and I may have

1260
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: told this on the pod before, but I'm on the

1261
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: court with Sam Stozer and Novak was playing on the

1262
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: court next to us, just down below us. But I

1263
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: could see the court and the entire time the fitness

1264
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: trainer is telling him how to hit a foehand, Like

1265
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: the guy that's with Janick Sinner, now the Italian dude. Yeah,

1266
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: he was out there and he was showing Novak where

1267
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: to hold his hands, that's how to hit in return.

1268
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, what the fuck does this

1269
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: fitness trainer no more than Novak Djokovic or his tennis coach,

1270
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: which would have been at the time.

1271
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: Grand Slam winner Gurney Vinevitch.

1272
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: I have to I think, I don't think helped me

1273
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: understand it.

1274
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: I will explain it to you in the only way

1275
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: that I can understand it, which is, does this fitness

1276
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: trainer or fitness trainer his body, physio, whatever it is.

1277
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: Do these guys know more about tennis than you the

1278
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: Vanjin professionals. No, sure, certainly not, whether.

1279
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: They've played or not.

1280
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't.

1281
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: I can't speak to that, but I think watching Novak

1282
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 3: play for the last better per twenty years, Novak is

1283
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: an energy guy. He's a guy who wants a chatter.

1284
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: He wants back and forth, he wants a little gibber jab.

1285
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: So give him, give him, give his fist.

1286
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: To me, what is so fascinating about hiring the stoic?

1287
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: Uh, you would call a stoic in the coaching box. Yes,

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Speaker 3: because you know, sitting there with his arms crossed, and

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Speaker 3: it's like, what do you know? Do I get why

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Speaker 3: he would fill his box with a bunch of serbians,

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Speaker 3: like some of whom are getting rowdy and some of

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Speaker 3: whom maybe know more than others.

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Speaker 2: Yes, get it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Even Goron was pretty calm, but he got into it

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Speaker 3: because I think that's what Novac likes.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what he needs. I think that's what

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Speaker 2: he wants.

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Speaker 3: He wants like a little bit of an audience to

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Speaker 3: play out. I think Novak, in a very compelling way,

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Speaker 3: like we're not is doing an interesting psycho drama at

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Speaker 3: all times in his own head. Mostly some supporting characters

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Speaker 3: absolutely agree. So if I look over and I want

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Speaker 3: you to be in my psycho drama, it's like you're

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Speaker 3: gonna not participate, You're just gonna sit there. No again,

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Speaker 3: fitness trainer, he's just looking around for somebody to get something.

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Speaker 3: And then the fitness trainer's like, yeah, okay, i'll physio.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'll get in Yeah, sure, okay. So I

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Speaker 3: think that's what's happening. Do I doesn't make sense to me? No,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't make any more sense to me than.

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Speaker 1: It does you.

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Speaker 3: But I think that's just I'm explaining. I think what

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Speaker 3: is happening, which is he needs a lot of chippiness.

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Speaker 2: He needs to need a lot of chips.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, like I get like him looking

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Speaker 1: up and which is.

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Speaker 3: Also why it doesn't make any sense to me that

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Speaker 3: Andy Murray is his coach. It doesn't that make any sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, as I told you in the last part, I

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Speaker 1: did see them out there in Miami and they were

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Speaker 1: talking about his forehand and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: look at this. Look at the minutia that is going

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Speaker 1: on here. It's what makes him so great is that

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Speaker 1: he's always looking for that edge. But the edge that

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Speaker 1: I don't understand is why are you taking direction on

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Speaker 1: how to hit a tennis ball from a guy that

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Speaker 1: cannot play tennis?

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Speaker 2: You know what you're still.

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Speaker 1: I get, like, hold on, let me finish. I get

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. He needs the chippiness, he needs, he

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Speaker 1: needs the energy. Okay, that's fine, get up and give

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Speaker 1: him that.

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Speaker 2: I actually wasn't going to contradict you.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, let's wrap this up, because

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Speaker 3: I actually think since you're still on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear what people have to say.

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Speaker 1: Oh good one, what, oh blue guy? Please?

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Speaker 2: Whatever?

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Speaker 1: Please please? People go to Blue Scott.

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Speaker 3: You talk to people on the internet. I don't really

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Speaker 3: talk to Renee. Tell her what you think is happening,

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Speaker 3: whatever medium. If you message me with it, I will

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Speaker 3: try to pass it on. But go to Renee and

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Speaker 3: tell her what you think is happening in this psychodrama

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Speaker 3: to which we only have a tiny bit of priven Now.

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Speaker 1: All right, everyone, we'll see you and hear from us

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Speaker 1: next week. By