WEBVTT - Ben Higgins on Why Peter 'Can't Catch a Break' 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.640 What's up, everybody? What's up Batchel Nation. As you can 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.960 tell from my voice, I'm so horace fresh from Super Bowl, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:09.720 but so happy to be here to talk to you 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.480 guys because they get a double dose of us this week. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.400 You guys are stuck with us. Two episodes means two 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.439 podcast episodes this week as well. We're so excited to 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.599 get into it. Thank you for listening, thank you for 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.840 joining us. We are so happy to serve you the 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:28.920 latest and greatest and Batchel Nation news and opinions everything. 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.240 I have notes in front of me. Rachel's here. We're 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.040 gonna break it down because there is a lot that 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.440 went down this episode, and you have to have notes 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.440 because you need to keep it all in order because 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.480 it's like, where do we even start from? I mean 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.920 it we saw a telenovella, but that should be the 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:49.200 theme of this season. It's his own soap opera. Yeah, so, Rachel, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.000 before we get started, I do have to say we 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.600 have a very special guest coming in while calling in 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.680 later this afternoon, with the wonderful mister Higgins. He cannot 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.480 get rid of me, which is why we forced him 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.640 onto our podcast today, and so we're so excited to 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.720 break it down with him and to get his point 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.600 of view on this season so far, because I'm sure 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.080 he will have plenty to say. We're gonna have the poke, Ben, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.680 because you know Ben likes to be straight line, politically correct. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.679 This is not what this show is about. Okay, it's 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:17.720 a happy hour, you know, take one back and let's 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.640 get into it. I really want to know what he 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.319 who would he be going for right now if he 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.319 was Peter, because everyone compares the two. They're like Peter's 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.039 a mini Ben, and so I really can't wait to 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.520 get his take on these ladies and see if he 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.480 was in Peter's shoes, who he'd be going for. So 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:37.760 far before that, we see this episode kickoff and the 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.720 beautiful Santiago Chili. Now, Peter still has ten women remaining, 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.679 and I feel like it's more than that just because 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.760 there's so much drama. So we still have Hannah Ann, 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:53.120 Kelly Kelsey, Madison McKenna, Natasha Sidney, Tammy, Victoria f and 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.720 Victoria p. Now again it feels like more than ten. Yeah, no, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.720 I'm pretty sure you name more than ten people there. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.560 But it starts off with Hannah Anne getting a one 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.920 on one. Now Is that just me or were you like, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.840 did she already have one? I could have, so I 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.399 would have put money on it. I thought Hannah Ann 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.520 already had a date. I honestly don't know what season 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.600 I'm watching. There's just been so much going on there, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.520 really has maybe because she's stolen him so many times, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.880 it feels like it's all added up than most of 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.560 these women, that's for sure. Um. I was watching this 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.640 and the way it kicks off is so Peter joins 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.520 the girls at a bar, and I don't think on 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.120 when I was on the Bachelor, I don't think we 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.400 ever had a setup like that. We're real, we could 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.400 all just kick it and be out in public and drink, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.360 and then he just showed up and grabbed someone. So 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.079 I was kind of jealous. I'm like, man, I wish 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:44.800 I was with these girls right now and what have 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.560 you know? Show up? But um, yeah, he takes Hannah Ann, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.960 and like you, I feel like we've just seen more 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:53.960 of her because I think she's just been so confident 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.480 in all the group dates. I mean we've had, we've 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.280 had a lot of model esque dates that she's you know, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.760 kind of stolen the showing because that's that's what she does. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.679 But yeah, I think in my mind this data on 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.640 this city. I think it was a good date. It 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.520 seemed like a normal date. Like there wasn't a ton 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.680 of like glitzingle am in hype, There wasn't any helicopters 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.239 or private concerts. It just seemed very chill. I will 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.360 say that those type of dates I love. They were 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.040 always my favorite dates because it's not there weren't a 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.000 lot of distractions. You now, you weren't doing all these 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.200 crazy things. It's a real life thing. You're exploring this 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.320 new city, this new country with someone you really care about, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.480 and you're doing it together. I loved those when I 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.000 was on the batchelor, I loved it, and I loved 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.080 it on the batcherette. And I would always usually take 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.320 someone that I really really wanted to get to know 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.640 on those dates because there's so much time to talk. Yeah, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.520 and I think that's what he needed from her. I 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.360 think he needed her to just open up and not 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.600 be this like cute girl that's how he's smiling and 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:53.240 happy all the time, because that's not a relationship. Um yeah, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.320 so well then that was a bust. If that's what 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.640 he wanted. That was a bust because then night rolled 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.400 around and she didn't have shit to say. Yeah, I 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.600 just I feel like I still don't know much of her, 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.600 Like she has this one on one time and there's 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.080 not more. You know, we've seen dates like, for instance, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.360 with Kelsey where she opened up about her her parents 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.840 divorce and how that kind of like shaped her into 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.240 the woman she is today, or we you know, we've 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.719 always had these stories and now I'm not saying that 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.440 somebody needs like this whole sob story or this life 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.440 changing story, but just something to give us more of 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.680 who they are. And I felt like I didn't get 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.280 that and this was so frustrating. So we've seen her, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.320 We've seen her. I have all this personality, whether it's 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.839 in front of a camera or walking down a runway, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:40.960 which a lot of people say is their issue with 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.400 Instagram models or models. It's like they have all this personality, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:45.800 but then you talk to them in person and there's 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:51.440 really nothing there, so no offense to anybody. So when 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.000 I when he asked her very direct questions, she cannot 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.360 answer them, And to me, that is a red flag. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.480 I saw all the red flags waving all around Hannah 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.520 Ann and her face and then he gets up in 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.920 frustration because he's not getting anything from her, and she 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.920 starts crying and he's like, this is what I needed. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:14.440 And I'm like, Peter, she hasn't said anything yet unless 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.880 this was edited and we just didn't get it. I 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.640 don't understand because Peter was like, that's what I needed. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.960 A tear. I mean, was she pinching herself to make 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.720 herself correy? I don't understand what was behind her tears. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.080 She did not explain that we got nothing from her, 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.760 and he said he got everything he needed, right. I 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.760 think there's a difference that sometimes and I don't want 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.920 to say just men, but people do they confuse like 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:45.679 emotion and tears for depth. And it goes back to 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.599 us questioning like is Peter asking the right questions with 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.840 these women Like he's it's like he's trying to pull 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.480 teeth to get a straight answer. And my problem with 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.000 not only Hannah Ann, but with some of the other girls, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.280 and trust me, I'm going to get into this as 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.479 we go on to the next one on one, but 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.640 it seems like they don't truly know what they want 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.680 and what in themselves or in a relationship. Like you 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.640 go on the show and you think you know yourself 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.839 and what you want, and then they're like thrust into 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.400 this spot where you know, it's like a future ahead 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.599 of them and an engagement looming, and they're trying to 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.400 form this relationship and they don't truly know who they 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.560 are and what they want in a partner in a relationship. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.320 And that's where my frustration is. It's and I'm not 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:33.440 saying Hannah Ann is immature. I'm not saying, yeah, Kelly 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.320 did say that, but and I don't want to, like 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.919 I want to get to know these people individually to 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.720 say like, Okay, you're immature or mature. I think just 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.400 based upon her age, yes, she's young, a younger girl 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.560 in the group, like she's only twenty three. I'm not 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.880 saying that she's probably not ready because Becka m on 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.960 r Season was only twenty two and she got so 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.760 much Flackford seeming young and immature. But look at her now, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.159 like she shot out to baby because she's my favorite, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.839 one of my favorites too, and she's so mature. She 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.080 has a lovely child who just turned one, she has 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.360 another baby on the way, She's in a very loving, committed, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.440 loyal relationship, a respectful relationship. So she like, I don't 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.560 think the age number always is the problem. It's just 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:20.160 I think like mindset, and I think Peter's asking for 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.520 something from Hannah Anne, and she thinks he's asking for 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.000 like emotion and tears and something more than just a smile, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.120 when really he's like, no, I actually want to know 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.480 what you want. Yeah, And she couldn't give it to him. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.720 She just looked at him. She's perfectly curated. I'm over 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.520 Hannah Anne. At this point, she gave him nothing. She 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.520 those tears were because she thought she was going to 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.960 go home, point blank period. That's why she couldn't talk 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.200 about what was behind them. She thought she was going home. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.920 He gives her a rose. A rose. I don't understand why. Again, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.280 I'm hoping that we miss something, but I don't understand. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:49.800 I don't think we did, because I think they would 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.160 have shown it. So I don't get his relationship with 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.400 Hannah Anne. It's very superficial at this point. There seems 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.600 to be no depth. She gave us nothing. I'm onto 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.800 the next person. So well, then go on to the 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.120 Lovely Group date the telenovela, which I will say was 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.640 probably one of my favorite dates I've seen. I would 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.120 have loved to have been part of this. I just 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.760 it just seemed fun, creative, Like I loved all of 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:18.320 these girls and their personas because like I mean McKenna 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.320 with the maid, like, poor girl, she cannot get a 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.080 break right now. She wasn't everything, and I wish she 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.560 would have made more of it, like you see her 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.520 kind of in the back Dustine, and I wanted more 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.480 like she could have played that up so incredibly much. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:34.920 But some of the girls did great. I will say 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.440 Kelly as the Boila, that was good. It was so 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.000 good and like it was kind of the cringeworthy moments 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.680 where it's like they're talking about like dating. It's just 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.360 like the moments that you love on the show. We're 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.280 in this like telenovella, soap opera. I'm trying to think 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.160 who else, No, they were great. I thought I loved 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.880 dates where we get to see their personalities come out, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.240 and there's always that one date and usually it's in 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.960 the beginning, but in the middle of it, just to 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.240 see the girls have fun with it and kind of 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.800 just be so light when everything has been so heavy. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.120 I thought, I thought that that was fun. But I 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.559 guess they were just a little bit too inspired by 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.000 by that telenovella because they took it off the set 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.760 and back into the house with them. Yes, the drama continues. Yeah, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.120 Peters season just needs to be his own telenovella because 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.400 that's what it feels like. Yeah, and this is what 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.000 I don't understand, y'all, Like listeners, if you're listening, write 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.160 us in on this, because I don't get how there's 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.120 always the one contestant who falls for this shit, Like 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.920 how do you always get to be the one who's 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.400 talking shit about every single person? And you become that girl? 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.880 Like you see it coming, you watch the show and 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.559 you're like, oh, mate, if I ever go on the 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.600 Bachelor Bachelorette, don't be that girl. And then there's always 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.880 that girl. It happens. I don't know if they're doing 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.600 it because they know they're not going to make it far. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.880 I don't know if they're trying to create a storyline. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.360 I don't know if they're trying to get to paradise. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.440 I don't understand it. I'm upset that it's Tammy. Though 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.920 at the beginning, Tammy was one of my favorites, and 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.840 she had so much promise and now she's just like 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.000 on a mission to eliminate women and her new victim 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.640 is McKenna. Right yeah, I think it's an easy victim, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.920 like because McKenna's she's praying on the week at this point, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.679 right yeah. And I will agree, I had so much 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.800 hope for Tammy, And I said it last week, where 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.040 like I was rooting for her, and in the beginning, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.199 I think Tammy offered in the beginning, like this great 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.160 combo of a little bit of SaaS and she'll she'll 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.160 say it like it is, but then she still like 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.000 would check in on the girls if they were having 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.560 I mean, we saw it with Kelsey when Kelsey was 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.240 crying by the pool, she kind of tried to like 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.520 go and what's going on, like talk it through, and 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.600 obviously she didn't get anywhere and we saw how that went. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.000 But yeah, it's and I don't know if it's like 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.000 she's trying to this is her Batchelor and Paradise interview 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.480 or what where she's just trying to to, you know, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.920 get to a certain point because she knows, let's be honest, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.520 she knows it's not her. She knows that Peter and 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.120 her relationship isn't where it needs to be, so it 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.600 continues obviously, And gosh, the part where Peter is trying 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.920 to have this moment with Madison and he's you're just 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:09.120 hearing the screams from the house above. I'm just like, uh, like, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.360 the best kind of cockblock moment is right there? Two 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:17.520 girls fighting. Yeah, Tammy and McKenna. I'm so sorry. It's 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.240 just poor McKenna. That's all. That's all I have to 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.000 say about Ken. Tammy knows exactly what she's doing. But 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:27.720 the real drama was Victoria. Now, I was proud of Peter. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.559 This is a proud moment. I was too, because the 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.320 first time that I've seen him be really matter of 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.160 fact about something. I told you, Victoria Pee, there was 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.520 always something that was just a little off to me, 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.480 called it when it comes to her. And I don't 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.920 think I think Peter in the moment, okay, sends a 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.439 lat home. All right, fine, I still got Victoria Pee here. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.040 I think he went back and really processed what happened 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.440 and thought about it, because from the moment he sat 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.480 down with her, he was not into hers, not into it, 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.400 not like what we've seen with him and her in 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.400 the past, and I kind of wished he would have 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.480 addressed that. He just kept saying, do you see a future? 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:07.880 I don't see you as my wife. But I wanted 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.080 him to be more confrontational. I wanted him to say, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.960 let me tell you why I don't see you as 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.679 my wife, and it's because of how you handled this situation, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.560 or because I just don't trust you, trust you, And 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.120 that's not what he really did. But I am happy, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.679 but I'm gonna give it to him. He sent her home, yes, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.480 and people watching and say, well, oh, he sent a 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.960 Laya home last week before the Row ceremony. But had 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.600 all of the women not called him out and addressed 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.560 it and told him their frustration and where their hurt was, 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.440 I think he would have kept a layer around. So 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.559 I'm glad that he finally did this on his own terms. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.560 I think he needed it. I think that I have, okay, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.520 my problem now with Victoria Pee and now that I 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.040 have a problem, but I just I felt like, Okay, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.360 we've seen it season after season where clearly doesn't work out. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.480 The lead always walks you out. They give you that 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.800 respect to say goodbye. You kind of talk it out. 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.520 You you have that moment. I always have a problem 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.920 where somebody is like better than that and they're like, no, 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.240 I don't need you, I don't need your help. I 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.080 find it. So Chris ran down on my season said 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.319 that to me, I was like, well, walk you out 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:14.800 even though it's not working out, Like I'm still going 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.960 to respect you, and the time that you put on 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.000 the show. You don't want to walk him out, that's 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.000 that's part of the show. So well I did because 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.440 I wanted him to go so I could go to sleep. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.480 But that's like, I guess to what And I definitely 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.080 want you to finish your point, But it's kind of like, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.240 what's so disrespectful into what you're saying. I don't even 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:30.920 really want to walk you out. It's just like I'm 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.640 trying to be nice, so at least accept me being nice. Yeah, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.640 and she and we saw like in that moment there 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.480 was that switch where maybe it was like her guard 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.160 went up and it was just a way so she 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.120 doesn't like feel about hurt in that pain in front 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.560 of him. But I just like Peter is still like, 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.360 even though it's not working out, he's still trying to 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.480 respect you. He's still trying to be that gentleman and 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.160 walk you out and see you out and so give 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.480 you that closure a little bit. And in that moment 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.600 you saw something and switch where she's like, I'm not 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.000 having this, like I can walk myself out. She's walking 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.480 in front of him. I don't know it just it 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.720 really rubbed me the wrong way. And we all go 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.520 into this show knowing that there's only going to be 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.040 one and so the odds really aren't probably in your favor. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.440 So in that instance, I was like, okay, like we're 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:15.480 seeing a new side to her. Been seeing it. You've 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.040 been calling I really have needless to say. I'm glad 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.920 Victoria Pia's home and it's giving me promise that Peter 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.160 is starting to eliminate the drama and focus on some 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.720 of the more serious relationships, and I think that that's 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:32.760 the point of the season that we're in. So also, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.480 when you're in the house, you're starting to reflect on 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.040 who's had one on one date? Where's my relationship with Peter? 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.320 As you're seeing the numbers dwindle down, and you have 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.560 to start thinking, Okay, Tammy hasn't had a one on 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.760 one yet. Tasha hasn't had a one on one yet, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.760 neither has McKenna, So you know, at this point they're 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.200 kind of like, where do I stand compared to these 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.880 other ones? Right? So then Peter has a chance to 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.560 give another one on one. Doesn't give it to Dammy 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:04.080 mckenn Natasha. He gives it to Victoria. F Were you shocked? 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.200 I was shocked. I blew my mind when they read 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.320 her name. I was like, what he either sees something 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.840 in her or he's really questioning do I keep her 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.560 around after everything that went down on their very first 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.720 one on one. I just to insert a little bit 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:26.480 of my experience. I remember on The Bachelor, we Lauren 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.280 Lauren b had a date with Ari in Paris, and 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.800 the week after she got the second one on one, 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.560 and it was right after my one on one, and 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.560 I remember coming home and I walked into the room 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.360 and all of the girls were like dead silent. It 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.840 was super awkward. I was like, what did I miss? 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.880 And they're like, oh, well, Lauren Lauren got the second 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.520 one on one day and I was like, she just 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.880 had one last week, and in that moment, I was shocked. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.400 But I was even shocked for this one. I think 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.240 after all of the interaction that I've seen with Peter 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.240 and Victoria f and just like the drama that just 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.760 kind of follows, and like the extra time and care 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.560 and attention and all of this effort Peter seems to 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.000 be putting into her. I would have wanted a break 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.920 if I was him personally. But I don't know what 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.600 it is. And this is what I have all of 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.360 my notes written about. Oh this is this one on 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.400 one day. I'm sure it's the nighttime because not much 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.400 happen in the in the daytime part of it, right, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:22.840 like they do their thing whatever. I don't even want 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:24.360 to get into that. Let's just get into the nighttime 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.240 portion because that's when that's when that's the juicy part. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:33.160 That's that isn't. Yes, Like I just don't understand why 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.240 she wasn't. She just did not seem appreciative of the 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.120 date that he gave her a second one and one. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.840 She did not seem into it and him it's like 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.120 she I feel like she's questioning like where her feelings 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.120 actually are, but she doesn't want to like admit them, 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:49.960 like maybe I'm not as into you or maybe like 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.960 it's not like there's something off and she she made 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.880 a comment and they wrote it down. Because this is 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.280 what stood out to me the most was I wish 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:59.600 I knew my issues so that you didn't have to 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.320 deal with them. It's like, then, why did you come 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.240 on the show with the potential? Because Rice was on tour, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.639 he was gone, he was out of office apparently. But 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.399 it's like, know yourself before coming on the show. Well, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.199 that could be a theme for several women. But my 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.560 frustration with her I share your same sentiments. I thought 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.879 you are so ungrateful. Yes, there are women sitting in 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.119 this house who have never had a date, and you 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.840 were complaining about getting a date. Now I do a 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.360 second date, a second date. You're right, And I do 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.680 get you saying, oh gosh, he's maybe he's putting you 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.600 on a second day because he doesn't know, but he 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.960 reassured you so many times. She is that girl who 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.200 needs to constantly be told I'm you're pretty, you're great, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.399 you're wonderful, instead of having that own confidence, which I 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.480 just don't. I just her own confidence. I just don't understand. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.080 Actually I do think I understand her. She just doesn't 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.680 know who she is and what she wants. She's all 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.240 over the place. And what I don't understand is, Peter, 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.600 you want a woman who's confident, you want a woman 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.560 who knows who she is. That's what you say you 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:08.200 liked about Hannah by Victoria f has shown you none 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.840 of that. So again, I don't know what Peter wants 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.560 in a wife because you are constantly having to baby 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.359 her and coddle her and reassure her. As you have said, 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.240 that is exhausting. And that's the only word I can 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.560 think of when I think of their relationship. It's and 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.760 I've never and I've watched the show for a while, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:30.400 I've never seen one lead put in so much reassurance 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.359 to someone to the point where it's like that cannot last. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.040 Like in my mind, there's no way that that can last. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.800 Like he's gonna he's gonna get to his breaking point 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.000 and be like, I can't, Like, what else do you 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.119 have to say? Like, and he has said multiple times, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.080 I'm not going to give you a rose unless I 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.240 see something, unless I feel it, like unless I know. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.840 And so she keeps getting roses, she keeps getting roses. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.440 He's giving you you should be more sure because remember 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.840 there's a point in the show where Sidney and um 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.440 Tasha are sitting on the couch and there's saying, oh, 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.199 he really must be into Victoria hockey. Everybody see it, 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:07.440 but you, you, more than anyone, should know that Peter's 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.560 into you, and not just because of the dates, because 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.520 he's telling you that he's giving you all the reassurance 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.800 that you need. It's so frustrating to watch. I am 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.600