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Speaker 1: You guys are stuck with us. Two episodes means two

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Speaker 1: podcast episodes this week as well. We're so excited to

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Speaker 1: get into it. Thank you for listening, thank you for

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Speaker 1: I have notes in front of me. Rachel's here. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna break it down because there is a lot that

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Speaker 1: it's like, where do we even start from? I mean

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Speaker 1: it we saw a telenovella, but that should be the

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Speaker 1: before we get started, I do have to say we

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Speaker 1: have a very special guest coming in while calling in

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Speaker 1: later this afternoon, with the wonderful mister Higgins. He cannot

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Speaker 1: of view on this season so far, because I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he will have plenty to say. We're gonna have the poke, Ben,

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Speaker 1: This is not what this show is about. Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: a happy hour, you know, take one back and let's

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Speaker 1: far before that, we see this episode kickoff and the

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Speaker 1: beautiful Santiago Chili. Now, Peter still has ten women remaining,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like it's more than that just because

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Speaker 1: But it starts off with Hannah Anne getting a one

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, y'all, Like listeners, if you're listening, write

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Speaker 1: saying you want these things, these women don't possess those

426
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 1: qualities from what we've seen. I'm sorry, I just don't understand.

427
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: But what does Peter do? Gives her a rose? Gives

428
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: her a rose, and then and then and then we

429
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: see something that, to my knowledge, I have never seen before,

430
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 1: no plot twist two on one, which I don't even think.

431
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 1: We got a two on one in Hannah by season

432
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 1: a two on one at a cocktail party. I thought

433
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 1: this was genius. You know what, Thank you, Bachelor producers.

434
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: Let's streamline this process. We don't need a whole damn

435
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: date for this, let's just do it at a cocktail party.

436
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: I will say I would have loved having the two

437
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: on one at a cocktail party. I would You don't

438
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: need a full day, And usually when you pick a

439
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 1: two on one, you kind of know the two people

440
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: that you're like, m they're probably gonna go home, Like,

441
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: let's be honest, we've seen it happened multiple times where

442
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: both people end up going home, so you I mean,

443
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 1: I watched it knowing like, Okay, yes he gave McKenna

444
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,719
Speaker 1: the rose, but I was like, she's not sticking around.

445
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: You just you can sense it. And the moment where

446
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: you see the girls, the two girls walk in and

447
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: sit on the couch, I felt like I was watching

448
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: the telenovella once again. I was like, they're gonna start

449
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: like spooning out their scripts, and that's what it felt like.

450
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 1: I felt like I was transported back to their group

451
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: date because it was just so awkward clearly between them.

452
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 1: They just like McKenna talks about you know, love, winds

453
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: and kindness and she's stronger and then Tammy's just not

454
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: really saying much at that point, and it was just

455
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: one one big mess, one big two on one mess

456
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: it was. I loved how it was set up. I

457
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: am proud of McKenna for standing up for herself against Tammy,

458
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: because Tammy's Tammy stuff. So I was happy that she

459
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: stood her ground. She said her piece and it worked

460
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: for her. And Peter said, I trust McKenna over Tammy,

461
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: and sant Tammy home. Now this is what was sad

462
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: to me. Tammy made a comment when she was going

463
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: home and said that he just wants a trophy wife

464
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not a trophy wife. That hurt me to

465
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: hear Tammy say that because I understood Tammy after once

466
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: she made that comment. I understood her entire actions through

467
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: this entire process. She is extremely insecure. She is confident,

468
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: and she's got her job, and she's ambitious and all

469
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: of that, but she's got some serious insecurities when comparing

470
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: herself to the other women. And she even said, I

471
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: guess he wants that blonde something trophy. It let me

472
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: know that probably growing up she has compared herself to

473
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: women that don't look like her, and she felt like

474
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: a minority in the house, which she is, and she

475
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: felt like I felt like the younger self in her

476
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: coming out when she was making those comments in the car,

477
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: and it was actually really really sad for me to

478
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: watch because I think Tammy is so beautiful and she

479
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: has so much going for and it just seems I

480
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: said this when I was on Next Season, the house

481
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: brings out the best or the worst in year, and

482
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: it seems like it really brought out the worst in

483
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: Tammy and she just fell victim to her insecurity. So

484
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: if Tammy lives inst our podcast, I want her to

485
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: know that you are so beautiful, You are so so

486
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: many things going for You. Don't feel like you have

487
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: to compare yourself to what a stereotypical version of what

488
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: beauty is like. Beauty is so many different things. Beauty

489
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: is in the eye of the beholder, and I want

490
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: her to know that she's a beautiful person. And it

491
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: was so sad for me to sit there and watch

492
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: that Peter didn't send you home because you didn't have

493
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: blonde hair. Peter sent you home because you lost your

494
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: ship in that kind because you had it out for

495
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: the other girls. And in that moment too, it's kind

496
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: of said because she doesn't have to get along and

497
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: she doesn't have to be best friends with the remaining girls, like,

498
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: no one is saying that, but but it kind of

499
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: degrades the other women that are still there, and in

500
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: that moment, it was tough. I will say, though, I

501
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: still have hope for Tammy. I would love to see

502
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 1: her in Paradise, but like I want her to have

503
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: that redemption story. I want her to maybe form better

504
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: friendships there than she could on this season, because I,

505
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: like you said, I think she kind of spiraled out

506
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: at the very end when she knew it wasn't her.

507
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: So maybe we will, maybe we'll see more of her

508
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: and she can have that redemption story if you want

509
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: to call it that. Yeah, I mean, well, listen, she

510
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: can only go up from here and hopefully that happens

511
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: to her in Paradise with some other Bachelor franchise show

512
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: or just a really over it and just realized I

513
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: don't think she is. I don't think she is at all.

514
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: But we have the rose ceremony, and I was shocked

515
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: by these eliminations. I did, like, I didn't know who

516
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: was on the chopping block. I thought maybe it was Tasha,

517
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: just because Tasha hasn't had a one on one and

518
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: so he hasn't been able to grow his relationship with

519
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: but then he reassures her in that private time, so

520
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, my girl, Tasha, she's gonna be safe,

521
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: and she is. But he sends Sydney. I was surprised

522
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: at that one. Now, but we said Sydney and him

523
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: have a physical relationship and it doesn't seem to be much.

524
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: Death seems to be a running theme with several of

525
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: the women here, but obviously that was the case because

526
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: he sends her home. Yes, and that's That's the only

527
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: thing I can think of is that he had this

528
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: moment where he of course, you have to compartmentalize all

529
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: the relationships and tear them out in a way. But

530
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: I think he realized, like, she's beautiful, I'm super attracted

531
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: to her. We have this chemistry, She's this amazing kisser.

532
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: But what's beyond that? And I would love to ask

533
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: him and pick us brand. I can only assume from

534
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: everything that we've saw that that's what it was. But

535
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: hit it and quit it. Sadly, McKenna and Sydney are

536
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: no more. Yeah, girl, girl, I feel sorry for you

537
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: because Peter gave you false hope. But girl, you knew

538
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: you weren't going far past that two on one, right,

539
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: it was the end of the road. I thought he

540
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: was going to cut on both in that two on one,

541
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: to be honest, Yeah, no, no, no, it was It

542
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: was the end of the road, poor McKenna. And it's

543
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: the end of the road for our recap as well.

544
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: So let's get to our cats and rats of the week.

545
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: There are some cats and some rats. Okay, so my

546
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: cat for the week is McKenna. Even though she went home,

547
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: I was really proud to see her stand up for herself.

548
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: I thought what she said when she went home was beautiful.

549
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: She really seems to have found her voice, even though

550
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: it's it's sad because it's late. That was the end.

551
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: That was the last thing we were going to hear

552
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: from her, at least on Peter's season. But I was

553
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: proud of her. I like to see people stand up

554
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: for themselves. And my rat, I mean, it's gotta go

555
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: to it's Tammy. It's Tammy. You know, she lost herself.

556
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: I feel bad again what I said. What I said,

557
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: and imant it, but she really had it in for

558
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: praying on certain people and I didn't like that side

559
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: of her. So I agree. I would agree with both

560
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: of those I would also say, just because he gave

561
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: me some comedic relief. Um my cat was Kelly as

562
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: the a boiler Kelly, because that was good. She she

563
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: did well, she nailed that role. And then my rat,

564
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: I would say, Tammy, it was just as much as

565
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: I wanted her to not be. You know, we saw

566
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: go down, we saw the drama, we saw her kind

567
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: of spiral out. So hopefully again paradise that redemption story.

568
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to see some more of her. We used

569
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: to love Tammy, loved Tammy all right, so much hope.

570
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: Let's pour one out for Tammy and McKenna. All right,

571
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: So next week it's looking like it's gonna be good

572
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: these previous ones. Don't you film this week? I mean

573
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: this season more than ever. The previews you hanging on

574
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: the end of their seat, yes, or your seat, your seat.

575
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: Garrett were watching the preview together and he's like he's

576
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: literally grabbing my leg and squeezing and they're like, oh

577
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, what what what? What? What? He's waiting, This

578
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: is Garrettson. He's waiting for the moment when Barbe comes

579
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: back on, when she's like, just bring her home to us,

580
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: Like that's what He's like, who is she talking? We

581
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: know when that's coming. That's gonna be the last episode. Yeah, Becca,

582
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: that was a lot to digest. You had your notes,

583
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: we had opinions, we had an outline. We had a

584
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: lot to get into. But we have been waiting on

585
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: the line. We have the wonderful mister Ben Higgins, Ben welcolcome.

586
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: First time on the show. Yeah, first time guest, not

587
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: first time caller. Big fans of you both, be gotcha.

588
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Flattery will get you far here, Ben, So we appreciate that.

589
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: Ben smooth um. Yeah, Beca, I can't shake you. I

590
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna be spending a lot of time

591
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: together soon. Yeah, for three three whole months everyone. So

592
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ben and I just spent a week together

593
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: in New York doing press for Bachelor Live on stage,

594
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: so we and you know, we've talked about The Bachelor

595
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: at length. So I can't wait to share some of

596
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: the insider tidbits that we've been you know, bouncing off

597
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: of each other and talking about. So here we go.

598
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to have you here. Oh let's do it. Yeah, Ben,

599
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: don't hold back, Like, let's just get at it. I

600
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: just go there's a lot to talk about this season,

601
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: like off the top, are you enjoying it or not?

602
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Because I feel like people have mixed reviews about this season. Yeah,

603
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I've put a lot of

604
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: thought into this in my life, and I think we

605
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: went into this season with insanely high expectations. Peter is

606
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: a good dude, he's a nice guy. We want to

607
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: see him succeed, we want to see him flourish. The

608
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: women from really Week one kind of captivated us because

609
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: they were a little bit dramatic, they had intense storylines,

610
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: and so I think all of us as fans went

611
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: into being like, this is going to be the greatest

612
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: season ever. And I can't say it hasn't been. I

613
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: just don't think we've gotten there yet. We haven't yet

614
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: seen a love story. But I'll tell you this because

615
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go on and on, I'll keep

616
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: these short. This was the week and I don't know

617
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: exactly why. Maybe we can find out why, but this

618
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: was the week for whatever reason. I'm really excited to

619
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: watch next weeks Like this is the first time I've

620
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: been Oh, I can't wait till next week's come out.

621
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't had that feeling yet, but after these two episodes,

622
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: now I'm on edge waiting for that next episode to

623
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: come out. Before before we keep going, I think someone's

624
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: really upset that we didn't introduce them. We do have

625
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 1: another co host here as well, Minno is joining us

626
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: in bastlor Happy Hour, and Minno we apologize. That's why

627
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: she continues to bark because we did not acknowledge her

628
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: presence in the podcast. So Minno, we Minno, don't worry.

629
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: You will have your shine. Yeah, she's a diva, she

630
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: needs to be heard. But but Ben, so going into

631
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: this season, I think people I think, you know, we're

632
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: excited to see Peter, but for a specific reason and

633
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: because they say Peter is much like a younger version

634
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: of Ben Higgins. And I think I think people saw

635
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: that because you guys are both very sweet. You just

636
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: seem to have big hearts and kind souls. I think

637
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: from the more that I get to know you and

638
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: the more that I get to see of Peter, I

639
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessary agree. I think you guys handle things very

640
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: very differently. But I talking about this week and I

641
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: just think, like, Okay, if Ben was now in Peter's shoes,

642
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: what would he do, who would he gravitate towards? How

643
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: would he handle the drama? And so putting yourself in

644
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: Peter's position this season, so you had this whole new

645
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: group of girls, how would you handle some of this

646
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: conflict and drama that's going on? Good question. Well, I've

647
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: always said, you know, it's it's great. I think one

648
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: thing that Peter and I have in common, and I

649
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: think what you and Rachel had in common also based

650
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: on your successes. I think we all went into it

651
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: knowing what this is. Right. It's it's an experience, one

652
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: that will have ups and downs, one that at times

653
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: will be dramatic and I'll make you want to pull

654
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: your hair, but ultimately, at the end of it, something

655
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: good could happen, Like this could really shake up life

656
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: in a beautiful way, especially if you find your partner.

657
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: And I think all four of us in that we're

658
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: speaking of right now had that in common. And I

659
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: think if you have that, you're off to a good start.

660
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: I think the second thing is the mark of a

661
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: good bachelorat or bachelor, is how you handle conflict. Because

662
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: conflict is kind of unseen a lot of times it's

663
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: unexpected on this show. The one thing that we could

664
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: knock Peter for is not how kind he's being, which

665
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: is super which is super important here, or not how

666
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: much he respects the women, which he obviously does. It's

667
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: the one knock on Peter and I would say assume

668
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: is he hasn't confronted the conflict to get rid of it. Instead,

669
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: he's just kind of perpetuating the inevitable, which is that

670
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: it's going to continue to get bigger and bigger and

671
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: bigger until he has to put his foot down. He

672
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: just doesn't have another option, and I'm hoping that over

673
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: time we see him get better and better at that

674
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: to ultimately get him where he wants to be at

675
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: the end. But how I would handle this To answer

676
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: your question, I think anytime conflict came up during my

677
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: time on the show, immediately as soon as there is drama,

678
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: as soon as somebody said somebody's acting a certain way,

679
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: as soon as you heard an argument going on, my

680
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: first reaction was to always try to pull away from

681
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: it and analyze it, think about it, process it, put

682
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: the pieces together so that I'm not just running into

683
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: what everybody's saying or I'm not just running into the argument.

684
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm able to take a step back and look at

685
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: the situation as a whole and try at that point

686
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: then to navigate it to some place of healthiness. But

687
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: in healthiness to me was just peace, peacefulness in the house.

688
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: But I think right now Peter's one thing is he's

689
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: just kind of running straightforward into it and then once

690
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: he gets into it, it's impossible to get out instead

691
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: of pulling away and analyzing the whole situation. One thing

692
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this Ben, as you know

693
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: the mail on the line, and then Rich ask you

694
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: this too. So when I was about Surette, you know

695
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: it didn't happen all that often that this came up.

696
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: But you know, there's always the moments where someone will

697
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: come to you and and talk about someone else. They'll say, well,

698
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: so and so did this, or they said that. It's

699
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: happening so much with Peter. I think every conversation he

700
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: has with the girls talking about someone else, and for me,

701
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: that is just personally a huge turn off. And I

702
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: want to know for you, when you were the Bachelor,

703
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: if that happened, did you take it as okay? This

704
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: girl's kind of you know, telling on this other girl

705
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: and found it immature or did you appreciate it to

706
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: kind of know what was going on and figure it

707
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: out for yourself, Because when that would happen, I was like, Ah,

708
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: don't waste your time talking about someone else to me. Yeah, Rachel,

709
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: I really want to hear your thoughts here. But I'll

710
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: say this, I you know, and this is going to

711
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: get super Just deal with me here for a second.

712
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get super Christian ease on you here,

713
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: but I'm going to have to. So I have a

714
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: principle in my life that I try to stick by.

715
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: Do a terrible job at it, but I try to.

716
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: And it's to not murder somebody's name when you're talking

717
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: about them to somebody else, Like it is really important

718
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: to allow them into the conversation when you have conflict

719
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: or when you have an issue with somebody. And I

720
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: believe the same thing principle goes to who I want

721
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: my partner, like Jessica for example, right now, there has

722
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: probably been there. I don't think there has been an

723
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: occasion that I can think of in our year together

724
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: that she has came to me kind of bad mouthing

725
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: somebody else she might come to me and say, man,

726
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm just frustrated. I don't get it. You know this person,

727
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm just not understanding them. I feel like we're not

728
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: in the same page. But there's never been this. That

729
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: girl's crazy, like that girl's whacked out, Like that's never

730
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: something that comes through her mouth. And I love that

731
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: about her because it allows me to love that other

732
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: person and respect the other person more. And so when

733
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: that would happen on the show, I don't really love it.

734
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't like it, and it

735
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: feels like it's setting that other person back without them

736
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: ever having a chance to explain themselves in me. So basically,

737
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: you don't like the season, because that is the whole season.

738
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and put words in your

739
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: mouth because we Rachel you your spot. I mean not

740
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: that I don't like the season. Now, I watch this

741
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: season because I'm entertained, like very entertaining. Yes, it's like

742
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: your Housewives, and I'm a fan. I like, I appreciate

743
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: the cattiness, but I feel bad for Peter. That's it. Yeah,

744
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: So like I'm not going to say I don't like

745
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: this season as which just like I feel bad for Peter.

746
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, this is my take. I don't think there's

747
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: and if unless Victoria comes through and shows herself to

748
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: be like just or Hannah An maybe still which Victoria,

749
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: if there's any other women there that I'm looking at

750
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: being like you've shown yourself to be, you know, a

751
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: partner for Peter. Oh, I'm entertained. But as somebody's been

752
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: in the show before and somebody really likes Peter and

753
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: wants to see this like go well for him, and

754
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated it's awkward to watch. I don't think I

755
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: would want to be in the situation, you know. I

756
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: will say though, I think Madison is a top contender.

757
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: I think she's the first one who had the very

758
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: first day with him, and now she's kind of fallen off,

759
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: fallen off the radar a little bit, but I think

760
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: that's only because they're kind of hiding not hiding her,

761
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: but a little bit removed from the drama. But I

762
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: think when they're together it's something really special. And she's

763
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: the only one right now that I could really see

764
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: wife potential. No no, Ben, when you and I were

765
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: in New York together, we were kind of saying like,

766
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: it's really tough to see someone for him right now,

767
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: and it's really tough to see a bachelor at lead

768
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: come from this group of girls right now. It's just

769
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to picture only because we haven't gotten to

770
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: know them. For them, it's been so much around the drama.

771
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: But I think Madison is one that, yes, she's kind

772
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: of hidden and she's not in the limelight and the

773
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: drama and the craziness right now, but I think that

774
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: there's something there between them, and you know, we just

775
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: haven't been allowed to see it because of all of

776
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: the cattiness going on. Question. I always forget about Madison.

777
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: You always always I always say this like Victorian Hannah,

778
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: and and then somebody always goes, what about Madison. I'm like, oh, yeah,

779
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: that works. She's great. Um, we just haven't seen her.

780
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 1: And Brian, if you're not messy, you're not getting sane.

781
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: That's kind of theme the theme this season, right Like,

782
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: as far as far as the women are concerned. Question, though,

783
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: we talked about Peter's conflict resolution or the lack thereof,

784
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: and it doesn't just seem to be just with Peter.

785
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: It seems to be with the women as well, because

786
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: they don't seem to be able to get along. There's

787
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: just mean girls. Right now. Here's my thing, I think,

788
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: and I know Peter. I get to speak with him.

789
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: I think he's a really nice dude, and I think

790
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: he really cares about this experience, and I think he

791
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: really wants to see at work. I don't think he's

792
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: great at conflict. I don't think he expected so much conflict.

793
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: The one thing that Peter has is he walked into

794
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: this this thinking this was going to be like a

795
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: really magical like experience, and I hope it is at

796
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: the end, but we all know that's not really nice

797
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: while you're in it. It's not magical. It sucks sometimes,

798
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: but it's not real life. And I know he came

799
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: to you to seek advice, and I don't know if

800
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: you told him that or not. But I think the

801
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: beauty the gifts in the Curse of Peter is that

802
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: he is so optimistic that it's beautiful for this type

803
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: of experience, but then he's not realistic about how this

804
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: experience can also be. And I think that it's there's

805
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: something that you said, Oh, you brought up a really

806
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: good point about him not asking the right questions I

807
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: think that's true, and that's a huge red flag for

808
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: me when it comes to this season, because to be

809
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: successful at the end of this you have to ask

810
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: the right questions. Right If you're not asking those things,

811
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: how are you preparing? Because I feel like no offense

812
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: been But I feel like where the men really suck

813
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: at this is that you guys get caught up in

814
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: the world that you're in when you're on the show,

815
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: and that you don't think about how does this work

816
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: in real life? And I'm using general, not saying you specifically,

817
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: And that's my fear with Peter. He is so caught

818
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: up in this that are you thinking and asking the

819
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: right questions of how this can work in real life?

820
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: That is why I'm afraid now that he won't be

821
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: successful on this show. When I said before he was gonna,

822
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, like have five women that he's into it,

823
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: and it does seem that way, but it's not looking

824
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: too good and he doesn't have a good crop of

825
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: women to choose from. Sorry, people are going to say

826
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: that I'm not supporting women when I say that, but

827
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: I mean, but I agree, like the drama is distracting

828
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: him to get to ask the right questions, like he

829
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: hasn't just sat down and been like, Okay, I like

830
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: you like me? Like how? Like where are you from?

831
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: How do our lives combine after this? Like what are

832
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: you looking for in your career after this? If if

833
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: we'd end up together? And I will say, just from

834
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: my experience, especially when I was on The Bachelor, that

835
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: didn't come until my second, I think second or third

836
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: one on one with Ari, when we were finally alone

837
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, this is now getting serious.

838
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: And Peter is just not allowed to get to that

839
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: point because of all of this chaos going on about

840
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: champagne bottles and ex boyfriends and all of the all

841
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: the things. Do you think Ben has been sorry? I

842
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: did it? Ben? Peter been to point in Do you

843
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: think Peter is a good judge of character? I think

844
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: it's do I think he's a good judge of character

845
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: in life? I do think he is. I think he

846
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: is in when in this experience I think your spot

847
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: on Rachel where he's caught up. I think it's hard

848
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: to judge character at all when you're not being able

849
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: to ask those questions, when every conversation we see is

850
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: focused on somebody else and and this was not a

851
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: small moment for me. I think it happened in episode five,

852
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: and I believe it was with Sydney. I don't know

853
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: if for certain, but there's this conversation that he was

854
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: having with her, and she said to him, Peter, you

855
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: don't know me and I don't know you, and you

856
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: don't see that this far in the season. Quite often,

857
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: I would say the first four weeks are like survival

858
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: of the fittest, like just try to stay around, and

859
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: then after that you really do start to know the

860
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: other people or the people within the group. And I

861
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: think she was speaking to something like every cocktail party,

862
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: every group date, every time, like there is a moment

863
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: for us to get together, there's something that pulls you away,

864
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: something else on your mind, something else that you're trying

865
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: to work through. Because this whole thing is so chaotic.

866
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: There's so many different storylines going on of drama right

867
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: now that I don't know, to go back to your

868
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: question if he's had the chance to judge character or

869
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: even get to start those questions that point to who

870
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: somebody is, because there's never like getting to we don't

871
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: know one person from this show very well, yet not

872
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: one I would argue that we haven't had one like

873
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: contestant that we are like all rooting for right now

874
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: after someone on once. But can't you say that that

875
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: means that he's kind of not a good judge because

876
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: he is keeping the drama around, like he can't get

877
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: to the root of it, of the person who could

878
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: potentially be his wife, because he is keeping these people around.

879
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: Like if I'm a female in that house, I would

880
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: be questioning Peter at this point like why are they here? Oh?

881
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Why is she here? It's, you know the same way

882
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: people did with Hannah Bright and Luke pe why is

883
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: he here? I'm starting to look at you and say,

884
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe you're not the best judge of

885
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: the character. Yeah, And I would question and and we've

886
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: seen the girls like, well, he's keeping so and so around,

887
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: But she's completely different from I am. She's immature, she's

888
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: fixated on some sort of drama. I would question, like

889
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: what is he looking for? Like what is his type?

890
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: What does he wanting a partner right now? It's confusing

891
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: for us viewers. Kelly said it, That's why I'm like,

892
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I am Kelly, Kelly is me? Kelly's like listen I'm

893
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: different from the women that are you know, I'm just

894
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: in a different space in my life. And I think

895
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: that that's why she seems so disinterested, because there's just

896
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: such a disconnect with her and the other women in

897
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: the household versus how she is in real life, which

898
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: makes me think of this been when it comes to

899
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: the franchise. I'm gonna get real general, big picture here,

900
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: looking at the past few seasons and seeing where we

901
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: are now. I know Becca and I've talked about this,

902
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: and I bet you and Becca have too. We feel

903
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: so far removed. Things just seem so different than when

904
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: we were on the show. And the only thing that

905
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: I can attribute that to are the people that are

906
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: coming on this show. So do you are you fearful

907
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: for the franchise? I think the longevity of cable television

908
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: in general, we should be a little bit. Ben. I'm

909
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: not going to let you that is the most politically

910
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: correct answer. You are a politician. You are you are

911
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: let me know when you're running for office, because you

912
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: are good. Let me start there. So, um, two things.

913
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Am I fearful for the for the franchise? No? Here's why,

914
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: because they've always adjusted. Well, if you look back in

915
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: the history of this show, it is I don't know

916
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: who's pulling those strings and who's making these decisions, but

917
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: it is when I was the Bachelor, and I think

918
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: your producers that are in that room who know the

919
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: show well could speak to this. It was not an

920
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: uncommon fear that this show wasn't going to be around

921
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot longer. They had had some really like rough moments.

922
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: Social media still really didn't exist, like Instagram when I

923
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: was on The Bachelor at was just coming out. That

924
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: was six years ago at this point, So there were

925
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: some huge hurdles and transitions that had to be made,

926
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: and they made them. Like the show had never been

927
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: bigger than ever over the last four seasons, and now

928
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: you're getting to that point where it's at its peak,

929
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: which ultimately it's cyclical. It's going to start dropping down again.

930
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: So what a judge, Adjustments are going to be made

931
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: to keep the show around. Now, I don't know what

932
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: those are, but I do The Bachelor out of any

933
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: show on television, and I don't get it has made

934
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: adjustments to keep this thing going, and it's huge. It's

935
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: never been bigger. So that's my first that's my first thing.

936
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: The second thing is back to the show a little bit.

937
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: Is I'm with you on you got to cut out

938
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: the drama. But when we look at this show in general,

939
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where that dramas coming from. I don't

940
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: know the route, and so I don't know where you

941
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: take it out at unless you just send six of

942
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: them home in one night. So anyways, am I fearful

943
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: of the show? No, I'm not. Yeah, not the success

944
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: of the show. The show is going to be successful.

945
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: It is what it is. It has taken over a

946
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: day of the week. I'm not concerned about that. I

947
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: just more, maybe I should say the quality, because a

948
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: lot of people seem to be so upset because like

949
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: you want drama, like you said Survival of the Fitness,

950
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: you want drama first night week one, two, three, or five.

951
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: You usually get that two on one, and you start

952
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: to see things changing and there is like no end

953
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: to it at this point, what we're saying, and so

954
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: that I guess that's what I mean. I hear I

955
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of people even Super Bowl weekend,

956
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: people want to come up to me and talk to

957
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: me about the show and the general consensus as people

958
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: are tired of the drama, and maybe more so also

959
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: what we said at the beginning of this podcast, how

960
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: Peter is handling it. Maybe that so it's frustrating. It's

961
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: frustrating on both ends. I wonder, though, then, okay, with that,

962
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: I can fully agree with you. I wonder if the

963
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: secret sauce this whole show has always been and the drama, Yes, yeah,

964
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: end in love, and yes, we are looking for a

965
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: really cool ending that we can all celebrate and forget

966
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: about all the drama together. We're quick, really quick to

967
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: forget the negatives. I told Becca last week, it's not

968
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: how you start, it's how you finish. And if Peter

969
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: finishes in a love story, we're all going to forget

970
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: all these little arguments and go, Wow, what a beautiful,

971
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that happened. Yet, the drama keeps us engaged.

972
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: It does in all of our lives no matter what

973
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: we're doing, if we're watching TV or we're at you

974
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: out for cocktails with friends, drama keeps us interested, and

975
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: drama will keep us around. Even if we want to

976
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: complain about it, we still want to watch it well.

977
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. We can complain week after a

978
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: week and be like, oh my gosh, it's so hard

979
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: to watch. These girls are crazy, like poor Peter. But

980
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: we're still watching and everyone out there is still watching,

981
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: so clearly it's doing something right. I mean, and I

982
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: can't imagine. I feel like, once you get this like

983
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: dose of this drama, you kind of have to keep

984
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: it up now season by season, which makes me a

985
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: little nervous for the future Boucher and Boucherrettes. But but

986
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: once you have that and like you can't come down,

987
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I feel like everything after that's going to seem boring. Well,

988
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: it is reality TV, right, Like we need a little

989
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: bit of it, right, But I think what you said,

990
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Ben is so on point too about short term memory.

991
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they'll just you just

992
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: want to see a love story. It's just taken a

993
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: little bit longer to get to than that. So Ben,

994
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: do you even have a favorite lady on this season? Oh?

995
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: That's tough, right, really really tough. I will say that's

996
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: the hardest, Like this is the hardest season for me, Like,

997
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: you know, I really went into this when we're just

998
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: looking at pictures and being like, oh, this girl's beautiful,

999
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: this girl's beautiful, and it's true beautiful season of people.

1000
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: But I do think the one that has has shown

1001
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: themselves to have the best like interactions just based on

1002
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: what we've seen is Victoria. I think Storia who Victoria?

1003
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: F Oh, let me make some notes while you're talking.

1004
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Ben, I would disagree so wholeheartedly with you

1005
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: on that one. Right, Why we got to hear the why?

1006
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: Because we have to hear why we have to hear why? Well,

1007
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: I will get into it. I just every time I

1008
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: feel like they're together, there's no doubt about it. Like

1009
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: Peter is very drawn to her, he's very attracted. But

1010
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: I feel like she just in a way she handles

1011
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: and approaches situations, whether it's with him or the date,

1012
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, she just seems very very over the top,

1013
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: like she either is like all in or freaking out

1014
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: and there's like no, she just seems kind of exhausting.

1015
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: But I also think there's always an issue when she's

1016
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: with Peter. She's always upset about something. She starts to cry,

1017
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: she gets upset and walks away and leaves him, And

1018
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I like, this is your right, the one that went

1019
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: on the uh that went on the date? Listen boyfriend? Yeah,

1020
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, Ben, I want to hear your

1021
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: logic as to how you see Victoria as the one,

1022
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: because Becca and I'm on the same age, Becca, so

1023
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: please please do case. Well, here's my case is. I

1024
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: do feel like Peter is the most comfortable with her.

1025
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: I do feel like he's attracted to her. I don't

1026
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: feel like we've had anybody kind of make his world

1027
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: stop at this point. I said it a little bit

1028
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: ago and I still stick to it. I don't know

1029
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: if there's even one right now that I've seen Peter

1030
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: just fully like be engaged with yet. I mean Madison

1031
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: kind of like week one, which is easy to do,

1032
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: and Hannah Ann has kind of walked on the perimeter

1033
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: through the whole show. I'm just saying, if there is

1034
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: one person that I've seen him have interaction with that

1035
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: could point to any type of future relationship, it seems

1036
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: like Victoria is it? Yet I don't hesitate to say

1037
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if there is a one, like I don't.

1038
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: I have yet to see it. Ben, I want to

1039
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: know if you were Peter right now, what girl would

1040
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: you have as as your top girl? If I was Peter, Oh,

1041
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: she's gone. I said, it was Sarah. See I think

1042
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: seemed like cool. She was like funny in a moment

1043
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: that we saw her, and then she was beautiful. I

1044
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: think just like at the very first night she was

1045
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: like at least somewhat like this is okay. This is

1046
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying about the men. You picked her because

1047
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: she's pretty. I mean, the girl didn't. We didn't see

1048
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: anything of her on the show. She's It's the same

1049
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: thing with Joe, grocery Store Joe, who I adore, But

1050
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: grocery Store Joe, you saw nothing of him and people

1051
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: went wild about him because they thought he was attractive.

1052
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with Sarah. She's a beautiful girl.

1053
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: You saw nothing of her personality. Store Joe ended up

1054
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: being awesome and you're like, well this guy could You're right,

1055
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: but that's what we know now after the fact. At

1056
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: the time, what I'm saying is with Sarah, you can't

1057
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: point to anything outside of her being pretty. That's it.

1058
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: I said before the show even started, that was like

1059
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: who I went into this season like, she's just pretty

1060
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: like pumped up about so like now that be like

1061
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: who he's left and who he's captain, who's still around

1062
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there is one person that would match

1063
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: me at all. It would be tough. Maybe well after

1064
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: you have the catch like Jessica. Of course no one can.

1065
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh nobody even compares. And that's the closest thing that

1066
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: I've from what I've seen is Madison. Maybe you brought

1067
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: it up. I think Madison has shown to be like sweet.

1068
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: She was met his family and was like cool with it.

1069
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: She hasn't been involved in the other drama. We haven't

1070
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: seen her freaking out yet. I don't know a lot

1071
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: about her. We haven't got to know her too well.

1072
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: So I would say the one person right now that

1073
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: sits there, that's still on the show that would feel

1074
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: like the best fit for somebody like Peter would probably

1075
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: be a Madam. Just shocked that you said, well, I'm

1076
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: over Sarah, even though I'm still shocked at that. But

1077
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Victoria f for you to be say that Peter can't

1078
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: handle conflict. She can't either. When he tries to have

1079
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: a conversation with her, she runs off and starts crying

1080
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: in a corner. I mean literally, she can't warm sentences

1081
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: to express how she feels unless she's confronting one of

1082
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: the girls in the house and then she's ripping them apart.

1083
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand the contradiction with her. You

1084
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: can tell a girl off and call her out, and

1085
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: then you become this meek, shy I can't express how

1086
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: I feel person in front of Peter, like, which one

1087
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: are you to me that the girl isn't? Honestly, I

1088
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: hope we find out who she is. Rachel. The truth

1089
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: to all this is, I don't think there's a favorite

1090
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: for me. Ben. You know you've mentioned do you and

1091
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: Peter have talked quite a bit. You gave him some

1092
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: advice in the beginning now halfway through, and I'm not

1093
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: sure if you've talked to him recently within the past

1094
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: week or so. You know, it's different when you start

1095
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: the season and you're in the middle of it. And

1096
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure Peter's in a very unique position right now

1097
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: where he's watching half of the season back and he's

1098
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: getting the world, the world's reaction about everything he's saying,

1099
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: everything he's doing, all of these girls like, he's getting

1100
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: a lot at this point. And if there's any advice

1101
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: from here on out for him to expect, what would

1102
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: it be Because he's he's in for a whild, right,

1103
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is only halfway through and we haven't

1104
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: even gotten to see like the love stories unfold. So

1105
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: what would you say to him if he called you up? Yeah, well,

1106
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: I'd say hold tight. I mean he's already done with this, right,

1107
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: so I would say, hold on tight. It's gonna get better,

1108
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: no matter what it was my you know, it's my

1109
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: same advice for anybody it's been on the show that's

1110
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: going through turmoil. I mean there's a couple of characters

1111
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: that we've seen last year, we spent or Hannah b season,

1112
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: We spent all year talking about Luke, and I thought

1113
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: that could get pretty ugly for him. I thought that

1114
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: would last a little bit outside the show. Most of

1115
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: the time, nobody unless your character is really, really really

1116
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: really be in question. If you make it to the end,

1117
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: which I'm hoping Peter does, he's gonna be fine. I

1118
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: would just say, hold on tight and continue to be

1119
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: who he is, continue to be kind, continue to answer

1120
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: the questions that he's doing. But on the show, what

1121
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: I really hope he does is he starts to really

1122
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: try to dive into who these women are and how

1123
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: they fit him and how he fits them and what

1124
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: relationships can be made because I don't I haven't seen

1125
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: that yet. I mean, we can sit here and we

1126
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: can argue about Victorian, we can argue about Madison and

1127
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: all these girls. The truth of it is, I don't

1128
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you have a really strong opinion on

1129
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: who he should be with. Right now, I think most

1130
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: of the fans are going, I don't know if there's

1131
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: anybody like not that these women are bad, just like

1132
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: nobody seems to fit Peter that well. Right. I think

1133
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: that's very well said, Ben, and I think we all

1134
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: we are all you right now. We share your sentiments.

1135
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: And I remember Beck and I'm both talking about at

1136
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of this season that we're so excited for Peter,

1137
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: even talking with Peter, talking to Peter's parents, were so

1138
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: excited for him. We feel like it's the thing that

1139
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: he's missing. He's got his job, he's got his family,

1140
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: his friends, all of that. He wants this, you know,

1141
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: as much as any lead I've ever seen. So I

1142
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: hope it ends in a love story. Hope it works out.

1143
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: Hope the tide is changing when it comes to how

1144
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: we're seeing his relationships play out this season. But we'll

1145
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: just have to wait until the next week to see

1146
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: how it goes. But I mean, I don't know what

1147
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: else to say except for Ben for governor. If I

1148
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: can bypass questions about the Bachelor, I think politics will

1149
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: be a lot easier. Can I switch roles here for

1150
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: a second and ask you too, who are you fans of? Like?

1151
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Who should I be looking at and watching and going

1152
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: this could work? Well? Okay, yeah, I have I have

1153
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: my people that I like just for the comedic relief,

1154
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: and then I have the girls who I think are

1155
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: top contenders. I mean right now, and we've talked about Madison.

1156
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: We haven't seen very much of her other than the

1157
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: very first one on one date, But in a weird way,

1158
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I can kind of relate to Madison.

1159
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: I feel like she is me in that scenario because

1160
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: I had on our season the very first one on

1161
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: one date, and then it was kind of I was

1162
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of out of the picture. I wasn't part of

1163
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: the drama. I knew I had this strong connection, but

1164
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: it was a little bit removed. And I think that

1165
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: that's how she is. I do think that when they

1166
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: have their interactions. From what we've seen, she's one that

1167
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: he has a stronger one with. And maybe that's just

1168
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: given to the fact that she met his family and

1169
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: that just bonded them in a way that he hasn't

1170
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: bonded with these other girls. But I do. I am

1171
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: excited to see more of her. And in terms of Kelsey,

1172
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm always up and down with Kelsey. I think that

1173
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: there's really something there, and I think that as we

1174
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: get to know her, she's unpeeling these layers and we're

1175
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: getting to know a deeper level aside from just the

1176
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: whole champagne Champagne gate and that drama. I think he's

1177
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: from what I've seen with her though, I think he's

1178
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: drawn to her, and I'm trying to. I'm trying to.

1179
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: When I watched their interactions, I try to pick it

1180
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: apart a little bit more and really like focus on

1181
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: what it is. I will say I'm intrigued by her

1182
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: and Pete's relationship. Yeah. For me, I like Tasha the best.

1183
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: I think she's funny, she's level headed, the girls seem

1184
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: to like her in the house, no drama. She's like

1185
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air to me. And then for Peter,

1186
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: I like Madison. I mean for the obvious. She seems

1187
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: to be no drama. I mean, I guess I could

1188
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: throw Hannah in in there, but Madison, I think there's

1189
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: a there's a spark there, and it seems very effortless

1190
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: when they're together. And this is just me going on

1191
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: the first off the first day, so I don't know,

1192
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: we'll see. It seems very obvious he's in a Madison.

1193
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: So it makes me think that something's going to happen.

1194
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: Oh right, because it's so to me, it's so obvious

1195
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: it's Madison. Yeah, I can't take any more of this.

1196
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: Like Peter being happy, dancing around, smiling, like doing his

1197
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: goofy little dance thing, and then all of a sudden,

1198
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: out of nowhere comes some young lady walking up, say Peter,

1199
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: you've got to talk right. It's like, Peter, is that

1200
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: a smile? Let me turn that? Let me turn that

1201
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: upside down? Because we've been As you're saying this, I

1202
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: have that image of in my head of him dancing

1203
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: on stage with Victoria f and he's got you know,

1204
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: he's doing this hands in the air thing, smile on

1205
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: his face, and it's like they pan out and it

1206
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: shows Chase Rice, just like in Victoria's singing the words

1207
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's poor. We we like to title each episode,

1208
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: and during that episode we titled that one poor Peter. Okay, Ben,

1209
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: always a pleasure. Love having you on the podcast. But

1210
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: before we let you go, we like to play a

1211
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: game with our guests. Even though I felt like you're

1212
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: not you haven't really been a guest today. You've kind

1213
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: of been the fourth co host because obviously the third

1214
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: one is men. Oh. I don't want to say not

1215
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: acknowledge her again and have her star barking, but um, yeah,

1216
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: you've been fantastic. It's great to get your opinions and

1217
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: your take on the show, even though they were politically correct.

1218
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: We tried to poke you, but you were good. Whatever.

1219
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: We'll try again with this game. So here we go.

1220
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this game with you and Becca because

1221
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: you guys, you know you got Bachelor Alive coming up

1222
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: so soon. I can't wait to catch it. But you

1223
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: are the perfect duo, well other than Becca and I

1224
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: of course, obviously, So okay, here we go. I'm gonna

1225
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: throw out questions and then you're gonna say, who's going

1226
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: to be doing this when I throw this out? Either

1227
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: Becca or Ben. All right. First up, who is going

1228
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: to sleep better on the tour bus? You? Becca? Oh?

1229
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: Oh oh? I would say you, Ben, I can't sleep,

1230
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: Hey me, neither one of you can. Is that because

1231
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: you real tired after three months? It's because of the

1232
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: excitement of Bachelor Live on stage. You just can't wait

1233
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: to get to the next city. I actually heard the

1234
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: buses are super dry, and it's like the one thing

1235
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: I can't sleep in even though I live in Denver,

1236
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: but I have a huge humidifier in my house. That

1237
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: buses are super dry, So I'm worried that I'm going

1238
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: to always wake up like with the sore throw. Is

1239
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: it a portable humidifier, I'm bringing it with me. Yes. Okay.

1240
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, sponsor, Ben, I will let you.

1241
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: I will let you borrow my facial steamer so you

1242
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: can just shove your face in that every day. Thanks,

1243
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I was gonna say something really inappropriate, Okay. Next,

1244
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: whose partner? Whose partner is going to be on the

1245
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: tour bus more often? Becca's or Bins, Jessica or Garrett?

1246
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: I think Garrett, right, I would say Jessica, Ja there,

1247
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: Jessica's there for a third of the tours. She's coming

1248
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: in and out, so she'll be in for a week

1249
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: out for two, in for a week out for two.

1250
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: So that sounds like a lot. I honestly think Jessica

1251
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: because Garrett right now is so scattered all over the place,

1252
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: so he'll he you know what, Jessica might be there more.

1253
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: But of course we'll have Minno consoling, and she's also

1254
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: my partner, so she'll she'll take the lead as Minno

1255
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: going to be there the whole time. We don't stop

1256
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: licking that. You know, dogs like to get in that booty, doesn't.

1257
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: You're not on camera right now. Okay, I don't know

1258
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: what is going on over there. This sounds sounds like

1259
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: a good time. Okay, who's gonna be the bigger hype man?

1260
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I want to explain myself as part

1261
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: of the show. Okay, that's gonna be Ben Well. I

1262
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: and when I when like getting the crowd pumped up, um,

1263
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: I lose myself in the adrenaline. But I feel like Becca.

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Speaker 1: Becca is really going to come through as the closer

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Speaker 1: and keep everything like consistently hyped. But like I'll come

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Speaker 1: out like a rocket and I'll slow down and then

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Speaker 1: I'll end pretty excited too. If love love exist on stage,

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Speaker 1: well I'm gonna need the rain Ben in It sounds

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Speaker 1: like No I competed against Ben on the lip sync battle.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I've seen firsthand him lose himself on stage.

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Speaker 1: So my vote is for Been on this show. I'm

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Speaker 1: just picturing Ben fall into the mosh pit? What is

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Speaker 1: it where they But I'll start the crowd, but it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be crowdsurfing everyone. Oh yeah, by tickets. Now I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I mean listen. If that's not selling Bachelor Live on

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Speaker 1: stage for you guys, I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: I want to see it. Okay, who's more likely to

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Speaker 1: trip on stage? Becca or Ben? I can answer this one. Ben,

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Speaker 1: who's your hands? And you know it's it's gotta be Becca. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: totally lock upstairs. Becca has her hands and her feet

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Speaker 1: in the air on this one. She knows it's her

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Speaker 1: minno raised a paw. I will for sure trip probably. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're doing what sixty six shows? I will probably trip

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Speaker 1: in at least twenty seven of them. It's not more

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Speaker 1: to say it, but yeah, yeah, definitely she owns it.

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Speaker 1: She owns it's gonna happen. People, Just bear with me, please, Okay,

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Speaker 1: last one who's going to take longer in hair and makeup?

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Speaker 1: Ben or Becca Minno, that's easy? Are kidding me? That's

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Speaker 1: definitely Beccat. I have this theory that I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why I have to wear makeup at any point ever. Again,

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Speaker 1: it just makes my I don't know how you all

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Speaker 1: do it. It It makes my skin feel all sorts of weird.

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Speaker 1: So that way, you don't need makeup. You got a

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Speaker 1: fresh face ready for camera all the time. Everybody's not able.

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Speaker 1: We don't all wake up like this, Thanks Rachel. Ben's

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Speaker 1: only bringing two suits for the entire show. Yeah, he's yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't care you know about this? Yeah, I'm pack and

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Speaker 1: light team. Here's my thing. As long as I have

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Speaker 1: enough golf shirts to play golf in the morning. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy about this tour. I don't care about the night portion.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to hit the links. Ben's gonna have more

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Speaker 1: polos than ties on this tour. All right, Well, Ben,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Always a pleasure. Loved having

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Speaker 1: you on the show. Can't wait to catch Batchel live

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Speaker 1: on stage and everything else that you're doing. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be. Thanks guys, you guys are crushing it. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me on. Thanks Benalty very soon, see y'all

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Speaker 1: all right, listeners, thank you so much for tuning in.