1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know Fromhouse Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and that's this Stuff you Should Know the 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: podcast Good Day. Oh there's Jerry. She snuck up on its. 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, this one is a part of our I 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: guess law enforcement suite no. Uh, military suite No. A 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: little sort of addiction swite, yes, because people are addicted 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: to knowledge, buddy, and uh here in the United States, 9 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: and I believe in Canada, if you don't graduate high 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: school and then later on you say, you know what, 11 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: that was a mistake. I'm just gonna go back to 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: high school. And they say you can't do that. You say, well, 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: what do I do? And then they say it's your 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: g e D, dummy, and you go, oh, oh, that's 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: great because that's my General equivalently diploma, right, And they say, no, 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: that's not what it stands for. No, you should have 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: stayed in high school. Although I don't think they teach 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: this in high school now, of course they don't g D. 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people do think it stands for General 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: equivalenc Diploma, but it stands for General Education Development, which 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: is a company a brand name, Yeah, like Seeing Eye Dogs, 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: brand name, Heroin, Yeah, brand name, Kleenex, brand name, m 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: M barbecue No very nice xerox is though, Yeah. Those 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: are called generic size trademarks, yeah, band aid. Yeah. Things 25 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: that were a trademark name or still are. But it 26 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: becomes so widespread and so dominant in their market they 27 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: become the name for all of the other versions of themselves. 28 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: Petroleum Nope, vassoline though, but yes, which should be called 29 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: petroleum jelly. Yeah, No one says that, though weirdos say that. 30 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: They just say vasoline or lube. Do you have any 31 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: petroleum jelly for sale? People say, I don't know what 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: you mean. You say, well, I mean vasiline, and they say, well, 33 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: why didn't you just say that? And then uh, you 34 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: just get quiet, and then they say, yes, we have 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: some vasoline for sale, and then you buy the right 36 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: aiight bran because it's cheaper and it's the same thing, 37 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: but it just does petroleum jelly. That's right, all right? 38 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: This is off to a banging start. That was a 39 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: horrific story. Um about eight hundred and fifty thousand people 40 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: in the United States and took this has got a 41 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: lot of stats in it. By the way, was it 42 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: just eight fifty I'm surprised. I thought it was like 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: a million. No, I've got the stats right here, my friend, 44 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: under key findings. More than eight d adults adults world 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: wide took at least one of the five content area tests. 46 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: So that's our first point is the g e D 47 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: isn't a single test, but it is five subtests are 48 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: what they called them. Well, it wasn't two thirteen, that's right, 49 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: it's switched in two thousand fourteen. This is a heck 50 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: of a time to be talking about g e D. 51 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: It really is, because there's been some big changes lately. Uh. 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: And only on not only but seven forty three thousand 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: completed the entire test battery and the reason why was 54 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: because that change. Usually it's fewer than that. Usually, the 55 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: the proportion of people who take the the g e 56 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: D to the people who take and finished the g 57 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: e D the same year is much different. There's a 58 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: huge difference this year or two thirteen, it was close 59 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: because everybody wanted to complete it because it was about 60 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: to get a lot harder in two thousand yea, And 61 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: of those who took the complete battery of tests passed it. Uh. 62 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: And the way they have it's pretty cool. The way 63 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: they established the passing score is they give it to 64 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: high school graduates and the top six of high school seniors. 65 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: They compare that against the test. They used that as 66 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the norm. I did not know that. Yeah, that is 67 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: very clever. Yeah, I thought so. I mean that's a 68 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: high school equivalence intest. Yeah, that makes perfect sense now 69 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: and the whole a lot. I mean you kind of 70 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: said it like, well, people you know, drop out of 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: high school and then years later they say, yeah, maybe 72 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: I should go back an average of nine years. By 73 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: the way, is it nine now? Yeah, nine years later. 74 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: And they they had statistics from I think starting from 75 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: geez many many years ago, and they remained pretty consistent 76 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: as far as racial divide and men or women and 77 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 1: then people who pass or people who fail. Reasons people 78 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: take it, It's fairly consistent over the years. It's pretty interesting. 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: The reason people take it um ultimately is so they 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: can get gainful employment. But it seems to flip flop 81 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: depending on the economy whether they're going to go on 82 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: and go to college afterward, because you need your g 83 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: e d. To get into college or because as the 84 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: general education UM development. Uh. People say there's roughly four 85 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: million jobs out there that are just waiting for people 86 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: to prove that they can fill them, and one way 87 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: to prove that is to have a g e D. 88 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: It basically says I am qualified for most of your 89 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: unskilled labor at least, and so going and getting a 90 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: g e D is for a lot of people a 91 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: huge investment in their future. Um. So that's pretty much 92 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: why the g e D. It provides quote proof of 93 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: readiness for higher education or the workplace. That's the whole point. 94 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: It's it's it's proof that you're ready to move on. Uh. Yeah. 95 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: And they actually have statistics too on why people take it. 96 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: Um said they took it for educational reasons. Uh, and 97 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: it's not just one or the other. I think it 98 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: can be multiple reasons, because more than half and I 99 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: thought this was pretty neat said they tested for personal 100 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: reasons such as being a positive role model and for 101 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: a sense of personal satisfaction, and then said for employment 102 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: reasons to get a job basically, so I thought that 103 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: was those findings are interesting. I like the role model thing, 104 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: like even though only four points five percent of the 105 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: people who take it are over fifty years of age. 106 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: I say hats off to that four point five percent 107 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: because they you know, that's probably personal satisfaction or role 108 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: model reasons right there. You're never too old to get educated. 109 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: Don't give up. That sounds like an ending, but this 110 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: is just the beginning. Well, maybe we can cut and 111 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: paste it under the I'll say it again at the end. Okay, 112 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: so um, people have pretty great reasons for this. It 113 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: also helps the economy. If you have a bunch of 114 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: unfilled jobs out there in your economy, and you have 115 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of unemployed people, and all that you need 116 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: to get the two together is proof that this group 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: of people is qualified to fill this these unfilled jobs, 118 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: then you have a real need to get those people 119 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: qualified as easily as possible. And for many, many, many 120 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: many years, the g e D was a state sponsored, 121 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: nonprofit way of making that happen. That's right. If you 122 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: want stats to back that up, sir, Okay, the net 123 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: lifetime fiscal contribution of a high school graduate or g 124 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: e D holder is almost three thousand dollars. Wow. Uh, 125 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have about a ten tho dollar difference 126 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: in annual salary if you get that g e D 127 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: or do not. And with one point two million UH 128 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: college dropouts each year, UM, people should encourage people to 129 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: take the g E D. And I'm gonna go out 130 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: and say, and people are probably gonna be mad some people. 131 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I think it should be subsidized. If you want your 132 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: g E D. I think you should be able to 133 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: take it for free. Well in a lot of states. 134 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: It is some states, but a lot of people have 135 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: a big problem with that. Shouldn't have dropped out of 136 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: high school to begin with. But um, that doesn't make 137 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,679 Speaker 1: any sense because what we needed more educated people saying 138 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: get better jobs and not be a tax burden in 139 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: other ways, you know what I'm saying. Um, So, the 140 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: whole idea of the g D initially was it was 141 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: basically a compromise between the military and the a c E. 142 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: The American Council of Educators, I believe, and um, apparently 143 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: when World War two broke out, or when the US 144 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: entered the Second World War, UM, there was this idea 145 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: of just handing out wartime diplomas. If you came aboard, 146 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: you got drafted, you you and did whatever you can, 147 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: just have your high school diploma, and Uh, the a 148 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: C said that's a really bad idea because you're gonna 149 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: have some people coming back afterwards who are unqualified, but 150 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: people will think they're they're qualified. It is bad for 151 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: the economy to do that. Let's come up with something else. 152 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Military said, fine, do it, and the a C said fine, 153 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: we will, and they went off and they came up 154 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: with the what is the g E D. Yeah, for 155 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: five years it was just for military, right, like you 156 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: had to be a military service member to to take 157 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: the g E D. And then after that they're like, 158 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: you know what, this is a pretty good idea, so 159 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: let's expand it to everybody. Yeah, it was a great idea, 160 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: and they did expand it. And over the years since then, Uh, 161 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: it has gone through now five iterations, UM. Previously to 162 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: the last one was in two thousand two, and uh 163 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: it's changed quite a bit over the years. UM, like 164 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: all standardized standardized test. I guess. Uh. Previously you like 165 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: back in the nineteen forties and fifties, UM, it was 166 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: pretty much just reading and writing skills, social studies, science 167 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: and math. But like basic skills, they didn't try to 168 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: make it like a like a real world test. You know, 169 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: does that make sense? Uh, like real world applications. Like 170 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: later on they started putting things like newspaper articles that 171 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: you could read instead of just like read this text 172 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: about Johnny and his dog, right, And I yeah, I 173 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: think it was definitely also geared towards people high school 174 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: level maturity too. And then later on they were like, well, 175 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: we've got a lot more adults taking this than we realized, 176 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: so let's change it. It just took them like thirty 177 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: years to make that change. Yeah. Um, it took on 178 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: a lot more of a conceptual evaluation over the years 179 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: as well, and uh, showing people examples from like, like 180 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: I said, real world, their home life and their work life, 181 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: so they can say, hey, that's me in these test examples. 182 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: I get it. And it's not. It's it's more humanized 183 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: I think. Right. Plus, they instituted a big one, the 184 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: writing test, an essay section that was definitely new critical 185 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: thinking skills, and all of a sudden g D got 186 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: a little harder. But it wasn't over then, and we'll 187 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: talk about more after this, so check. They revamped the 188 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: g e D in for like the first time seriously 189 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: in thirty years, and um, it's a little more real world, 190 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: a little more reflective, And they just missed this the 191 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: cusp of a real change, because in nineteen eighty two 192 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: the world became a little more aware of the fact 193 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: that it was globalizing. And so six years after that, 194 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: the g e D said we need to make some 195 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: changes as well, and they revamped again. Had they just 196 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: waited until eight, they could have skipped the whole nineteen 197 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: seventy eight revamp, that's true. And eight is when they 198 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: added that essay uh component, which was makes a lot 199 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: of sense to me. Did they I thought they added 200 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: it in no, huh? And in seventy eight is when 201 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: they separated the reading test and basically said we're not 202 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: going to do any more of this, just straight up 203 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: like fact recall stuff. Um. And at this point only 204 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: of the takers were taking the test for employment. Um, 205 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: we're taking it to basically go to college. Yeah, And 206 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: that's reflective of a larger thing where the premium or 207 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: the rebate you get for a college degree was much higher, 208 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: and that fluctuates over time. And I read this paper 209 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: where you can basically look at it like supplying demand, 210 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: where if employers are saying we need more skilled labor um. 211 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: So you need to go to college, but if you do, 212 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna pay you more. Then more people who took 213 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: the g e D would go on to to um 214 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: college or whatever. But if not when the premium was lower, say, 215 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: like unions were in charge and they were like, are 216 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: people that need college educations but you're still going to 217 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: pay them? Well, the people would take the g e 218 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: D just to get into industry. Yeah. Interesting, they're all 219 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: very closely aligned. Now people are like, do you even 220 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: need a college education? Which to me, I think is 221 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: a separate episode that we should do. I totally agree 222 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: to because the whole notion of uh, there's a lot 223 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: of people challenging, uh, the validity of college these days, 224 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: and especially the stupidity of taking out exorbitant amounts of 225 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: student student loans. They're going to cripple you and cripple 226 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: the economy the United States. Well yeah, I mean, especially 227 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: if you're not going to be able to make that back. Yeah. Um. 228 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: There's some people that say that the student loan problem 229 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: is like the biggest problem facing our economy. They're called 230 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street. No, they're called Mark Cuban. Like a 231 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: lot of smart people businessmen are saying this is just 232 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: getting out of hand. Yeah, I think we should definitely 233 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: do an episode on that. So before you can go 234 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: to college, though, you need that g e D or 235 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: your high school diploma. Um, so let's say you do 236 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: want to take the g e D. These days, you 237 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: can prep yourself. You don't have to just go in cold. 238 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: They are all kinds of materials you can get online. Um, 239 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: if you go through the official g e D site. 240 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: Because there are now three things you can do. There 241 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: are three tests you can take. G e D isn't 242 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,359 Speaker 1: your only option. No. It used to have a monopoly 243 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: in the United States. Yeah, but since uh, Pearson Education 244 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: a private company, basically I guess bought bought it out right. Yeah. 245 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: The a C, the American Council of Educators on Education. Okay, Um, 246 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: they were the ones that owned g e D and 247 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: they were running in as an profit and they said, 248 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: we need to revamp this, so we're going to take 249 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: on a for profit education. Educational publisher Pearson and Pierson 250 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: came in and said, okay, thanks for bringing us on. Uh, 251 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: do you know what a hostile takeovers? And a C 252 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: said not really, we're edging and then they were pushed 253 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: out of the door. Here's the banker's box exactly right. 254 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: So Pearson took over and is running this as for profit. Yeah, 255 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: but there are other options now, um, I think Pearson 256 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: and the official g e D is the only one 257 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: available in all fifty states, but most states now you 258 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: can also take the T A S C, which is 259 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: run by also known as Task mcgrawl Hill or H 260 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: little I, Big Set, High Set which is administered by 261 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: E T S and UH and most states now you 262 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: can have your choice of all those. Um. Yeah, what 263 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: happened was in two thousand and fourteen, the g E D, 264 00:15:53,960 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: which was a basically n g O run nonprofit testing resource, Yeah, 265 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: became privatized, and now there's competition among private businesses. That's right. 266 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: So where I started with all this kabbadigook was how 267 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: to prep um. Depending on which tests you take, you 268 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: will probably want to use their testing materials, although they 269 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: say that, um, any kind of preparatory materials that you 270 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: can find are probably gonna be good for all three 271 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: of the tests because while they're not exactly like, they 272 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: all have the basic standard five components or four oh 273 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: and only four on some of them. Yeah, so apparently 274 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: the g D went from UM to language and language 275 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: arts and reading modules to one. But basically they're covering 276 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: language arts, are reading, science, math, and social studies. Right 277 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: before it was language arts and writing and then language 278 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: arts and reading and now that's just one. Yeah, it's 279 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: called reasoning through Language Arts and the g e D battery. Nice. 280 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: The whole kit and caboodle is gonna take you, uh 281 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: close to eight hours. Um, it's all parched out in 282 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: the time. But if you do need more time, if 283 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: you have some sort of learning disability or something, or 284 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: if you want to be in a room by yourself, 285 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 1: most of these testing centers will accommodate that visual learners 286 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: are easily distracted by other people in the room. Yeah, 287 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: I am, so that's why they stick. They make sense. 288 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: You you can have you can have your own room, dude, 289 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: I never thought about that. That makes total sense. Like 290 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: I do my best studying for the podcast when I 291 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: go in one of our office rooms and just lock 292 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: the door. Huh. And also, because Jonathan Strickland is super loud, 293 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: it is pretty loud. He loves telling stories really loudly. Okay, 294 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: So also a lot of if you're interested in taking 295 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: the get a lot of information, uh you're gonna want 296 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: is it depends on the state, like where you can 297 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: take it, how much it's gonna cost. It all varies 298 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: by state, um, and the guidelines of your state are 299 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: gonna dictate, uh sometimes which one you have to take. 300 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: I think state of Washington signed a deal with Pearson 301 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: to make that the only one for the state. Yeah. 302 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: I think there's twelve states where you have a choice 303 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: of all three that all um, but the g E 304 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: D is available in not all fifty states. I think 305 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: some of them dropped it. Interesting. I think Pierson really 306 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: ticked off a lot of companies by basically saying, you 307 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: remember these fees that before it was the state was 308 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: subsidizing it to an extent. Some states were saying, okay, 309 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: so this is how much the test people charge, and 310 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: then we can add fees onto that. So that's that's 311 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: how it stands still today to run to run the 312 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: center where they take it is where those fees come, 313 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: right exactly. Some states said we're not adding any additional 314 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: feest and we're going to subsidize the actual cost of 315 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: the test. UM. So when the when the when g 316 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: E D doubled basically their rates. Um they were passing 317 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: it along to the states and basically saying, you know, 318 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: passive all to the test takers if you want. The 319 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: thing is is like these are disproportionately low income people 320 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: and doubling the rates even even if we're talking like 321 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: fifty six dollars suddenly being like a hundred, a hundred 322 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: and twenty, that's a significant increasing cost cost prohibitive in 323 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: some cases. Right, that's just for the test too, that's 324 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: not that's not for prep materials and that kind of thing, 325 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: which a lot of states also uh subsidized as well 326 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: and gave up for free. Yeah, so I think Pierson 327 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: takes some people off with the with the sudden for 328 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: profit model. But Pearson, in its defense says, we really 329 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: kind of updated this thing for the twenty one century. Yeah, 330 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: they moved it to a computer based test, not an 331 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: online test, but it has to be taken. The G E. 332 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: D Brand test Pierson tests has to be taken on 333 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: a computer now, whereas the other two you can still 334 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: take with pen and paper or on a computer. Right. 335 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: But Pearson says, in the long run, this is gonna 336 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: save money because it's cheaper to things on a computer. 337 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: But that also came with some controversy because while it 338 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: seems to us like computers are ubiquitous and everybody knows 339 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: how to use one, maybe a really poor fifty year 340 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: old person has never touched a computer, so they have 341 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: to learn how to use a computer before they can 342 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: even take the test. Right, So, Chuck, we're talking about 343 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: the controversy right because I put it kind of flippy earlier, 344 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: like the G E D was privatized and it is 345 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: essentially as simple as that, But that's that there there's 346 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: so much more to that that doesn't just exist in 347 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: a vacuums still loaded concept these days to take education 348 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: and privatize it UM that that are at a for 349 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: profit model to education. UM, it has brought a lot 350 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: of criticism again Pierson saying, uh, yeah, we kind of 351 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: need these people to take this test on computers because 352 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: that's where the jobs are, Like, you have to know 353 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: how to use a computer to work almost anywhere these days. 354 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: That's a good So it's a good thing to make 355 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: these people learn to use a computer first. So there's 356 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: you know, what's what's the problem in that? UM. A 357 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: lot of people would respond and say that's great. Maybe 358 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: this is something we could have implemented a little more slowly. 359 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: Maybe you could have given the States and then hence 360 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: the state funded testing centers a little more of a 361 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: heads up that this is where it was going to go. 362 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: Or provide the computer as an option, because not every 363 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: job involves a computer. No, it's true for now, but uh, 364 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: task and high set both offer computer and paper versions, 365 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: right like you said. Um again, Pearson says, well, that's great. 366 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: The States still has to pay for grading of the 367 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: pen and paper versions. With the computerized version, we have 368 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: it all built in. People don't have to wait around 369 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: for their scores. They get in immediately since it's on 370 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: a computer and it can be graded by the computer. Apparently, 371 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: you can take a module, you can find out that 372 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: you you didn't pass the module immediately and take it 373 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: two more times before having to enter like a thirty 374 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: or sixty day waiting period. You can just sit there 375 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: and take it two more times, right there. Yeah, that's 376 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: pretty handy. So, I mean, there is. It's not entirely 377 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: like you know, Evil Co came in and took over 378 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: the g D, but I think the the sweeping changes 379 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: they made were so abrupt that it caught a lot 380 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: of people off guarden and they're I mean, they're suffering 381 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: as a result. Some people some states have just entirely 382 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: dropped the g e D. It's not even an option, wow, 383 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: the official g e D. So you brought up a 384 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: good point. Um, you don't have to take the entire 385 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: test at once because some people can't afford a hundred 386 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: and sixty bucks or more. You can break it out 387 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: into modules and pay as you go. Uh. And like 388 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: you said, if you don't pass one, you can retake 389 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: just that module. It's not all or nothing, which is great. 390 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: You can take it in Spanish, you can take it 391 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: in French, I think too. Yeah, you said at the 392 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: very beginning that around the world eight hundred and fifty 393 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: thousand people took it. Yeah, you can be elsewhere in 394 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: the world to get your US high school diploma equivalent 395 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: of the diploma your g E D. Uh. They have 396 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: brail versions. Um, they have large print and audio versions 397 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: and don't show up and expect that though. That's the 398 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: kind of thing that when you're registering you have to 399 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: let them know and make sure that they can accommodate you. 400 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: And it's also interesting that people, some people say, you know, 401 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: this whole computer thing is is a mess. But most 402 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: of the information you're gonna have to go to online 403 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: to find out this stuff. I mean it's available to 404 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: I mean you can go to the learning center and 405 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that and get a pamphlet. I'm sure still, 406 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: but everything I saw was like, hey, go online and 407 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: check out this, Go online and check out your state's guideline, 408 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: go online and check out study courses. So it helps 409 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: to you know, have that capability. But you can go 410 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: to a public library and get online. You can you know, 411 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: you can also get all the printed stuff at your library. 412 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: To um. One of the big changes to that that 413 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: um Pearson took a little heat for was they were 414 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: revamping everything so much, from five modules to four. Scoring 415 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: went in completely different directions. I think it used to 416 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: be something like a fifty was the minimum. Now it's 417 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty score is the minimum. No total, 418 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, So overall they just completely revamped everything. 419 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: So they said, if you are taking your g E 420 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: D in two thousand thirteen, and you've got like three 421 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: or four of the five modules, you might want to 422 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: finish your fifth one, because come two thousand fourteen, you 423 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: are gonna have to take it all over again, which 424 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: is why there was this huge rush to go take it. 425 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: But I read this one article and a guy named 426 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: Jose Ortiz of Fort Myers, Florida, so that he was 427 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: waiting to take it in two thousand fourteen because he 428 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: heard it was going to be harder and he looked 429 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: forward to the greater challenge of it. Hats off, Jose, Yeah, 430 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: that's awesome. I think the math um section got considerably 431 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: more difficult because now you are expected to be able 432 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: to pass up through algebra two and apparently that is higher. Uh, 433 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: that's more math in is required at the community college 434 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: level in a lot of cases algebra. So they've taken 435 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: a lot of heat. I was interested in taking the 436 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: G E D. Actually it was free. I would have 437 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: taken it to see how I did. And there's no 438 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: like free sample test online. I don't know. I can 439 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: see them having it locked down now. Maybe, Uh, if 440 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna take the test, Uh, it is still at 441 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: a testing center. There over thirty of those across the US, 442 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: and they're going to be at community colleges, public schools, 443 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: adult education, uh, continuing ed centers, adult stuff like that, 444 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: adult education. Oh yeah, I love how they're like the 445 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: hipster band now are they? Oh yeah, so'sual? Like yeah, 446 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: Hollo Notes is so awesome. It's like where were you in? Man? 447 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: That was first made fun of. Oh yeah until Tuesday. 448 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: They're still great. Man. Hollan Notes sounds awesome still that 449 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: live from Darrrel's house. Have you ever seen that he 450 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: has a studio and his uh at his place and 451 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: he's a show on Playdia I think where he has 452 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: musicians come in and like everyone from Billy Gibbons of 453 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: zz Top to Hoodie Darious. Yeah he's a country now, 454 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: yeah that's what I heard. He's a country and uh, 455 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: they'll just come in and do like they'll do like 456 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: a Hollan Note song and then like a zz Top 457 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: song and whatever they want to do. It's pretty fun. 458 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: Did you ever see the guar at the A V 459 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: Club's live concert series? Oh, when they did the cover series. 460 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things is the AVY Clubs Undercover. 461 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah that's what it is. Yeah. Every year they take 462 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: i think it's like twenty songs, put them on a board, 463 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: and then one at a time bands choose them and 464 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: mark them off and so it's like time goes on 465 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: you less and less choice. But Guar, who did they do? Man? 466 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: I don't remember what they did? Oh? Man, it was 467 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: really good too, and it was that they'd been on 468 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: once before, the only one I saw as their second appearance. 469 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: I can't remember. It's worth just look up Guar and 470 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: a V Club. Yeah. I highly recommend the whole series. 471 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: They've been doing it for a few years now. It's 472 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: pretty cool. I saw ted Leo and the Pharmacist. That 473 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: an awesome version of Everybody wants to Rule the World. Man, 474 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: that is a good That whole record, from beginning to 475 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: end is amazing. Songs from the Big Chair, Yeah, yeah, agreed, 476 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: we do uh el Chipa does shout. That's a good one. Yeah, 477 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: and it's super easy. Oh the one I saw was 478 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Billy Ocean. Oh that's right. But apparently Guar also has 479 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: done They've covered Kansas, They've covered the Pet Shop Boys. Yeah, 480 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: the Kansas one I've seen. They did carry on My 481 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: Wayward Sun, didn't they probably? Yeah that's pretty cool man. 482 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: How do we get on that? From? G. E. D. 483 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: Hallow notes adult education? Yeah, I don't think I have 484 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: anything else. I don't either, um so Like I said before, 485 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: I would say it again. It's never too late. You 486 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: can inspire your kid, your grandkid. Maybe they're thinking about 487 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: dropping out of high school. You go out and take 488 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: that test and show them that that education is valuable. Yes, 489 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: that's that's from your uncle Chuck. Nice Chuck, and Uncle Josh, 490 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: your aunt Jerry, aunt or aunt. I say aunt, but 491 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: people say aunt, So I do aunt? Uh? You say aunt? Right? Yeah, 492 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: I say yeah. Yeah, it's supposed to be guttural and 493 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: clipped like German. Yeah. I still call my As a 494 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: forty three year old, I'll still call my aunts and 495 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: uncles like Uncle jimmy Uncle Steve. Yeah, it's still I 496 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: just it'd be weird. And my my nieces are in 497 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: their early twenties now and they call me Uncle Chuck 498 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: and Emily, and I'd be it'd be weird if they 499 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: just call me Chuck. Oh, I have mine call me 500 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Mr Clark very nice. Well, since we got into the 501 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: versus aunt debate, that means you can type in G 502 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: E D in the search bar how stuff works dot 503 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: com and get your foot in the door. Get started 504 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: at learning how to use the computer to prepare to 505 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: take the piercing based g E. D test Uh and 506 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: I think I said search bar in there right, yeah, 507 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: which means it's time for listener mail. Uh. This is 508 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: from Joachim in Denmark and it's about goats licking feet. 509 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is serious. Hey guys, I'm sitting here 510 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: listening to your Salt podcast read listening to it and 511 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: suddenly remembered why that episode annoyed me last time I 512 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: listened to it. Yeah, I know, I didn't see why 513 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: he had to say annoyed him, but well, I think 514 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: he's from Denmark. I don't think they're annoyed as like 515 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: our annoyed. You know you're off the hook, walk King yucky. Um, 516 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned a particular type of torture called goats tongue 517 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: and categorize it as kind of a tickle torture. What 518 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: you need to know about goats is they can eat 519 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: and digestue about anything, including you, me, the thing you 520 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: live in, the thing you drive in, the thing you're 521 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: married to, and the thing that pays you money. I 522 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: really like that goats will very slowly, but very doggedly, 523 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: lick the flesh clean off the soles of your feet. 524 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: If you ever had a small cut underneath your feet. 525 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: You'll know that you're we're actually quite sensitive down there. Um. 526 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: Having the flesh looked off will expose all your nerve endings, 527 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: which the goat will then proceed to look through. Think 528 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: of it like having the soles of your feet sand 529 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: papered off and then just keep stand papering untill there's 530 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: nothing left but bone. Uh. That is from like I said, 531 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: your Kim in Denmark, and that was it. It just 532 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: kind of stopped right there. He gets a total break 533 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: because he now he had other stuff to say, like 534 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: what a big fan he was, and he's re listened 535 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: to a lot of these so he can say whatever 536 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: he wants. Oh awesome because he re listens. Yeah, and 537 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: who on earth would do that? And some will do 538 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: like really listen to the whole thing. My breed thought, Okay, everybody, 539 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: are you okay? Yeah? People who are listening to this 540 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: for the third time, Well you q A the podcast 541 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: before their release. Yeah, I listened to them after the 542 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: release to make sure that nothing got through that shouldn't have. Really, 543 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: you didn't know that, Yeah, I didn't know my QA 544 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: was being Q eight No, no, no, not that. I'm 545 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: just there's been a few times where we've been like, 546 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: there's a little mess up in there, Aunt Jerry, Aunt Jerry. 547 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: But all the oh wait, yeah, that's right, we say 548 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: aunt when we're angry. All that is to say that 549 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: it's all I can do to say this stuff and 550 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: listen to it again. I'm sure you feel the same way. Yeah, 551 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: that's like one of the worst parts of our job. 552 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: And happy Thanksgiving to us one and all. Right, So 553 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: if you want to get in Chuck, in touch with 554 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: Uncle Chuck, Mr Clark or Aunt Jerry, you can tweet 555 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: to us. That's why I cap podcast. 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