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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cowboys headquarters in Frisco,

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Speaker 1: deep in the heart of Texas. It's the Star at Night. Wow,

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Speaker 1: dramatic much? Why are you getting in the way of

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Speaker 1: my intro? You mean our We're your hosts. I'm Kelsey

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Speaker 1: Charles and I'm David Hellman. Okay, let's just start this

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Speaker 1: show now. Hello everyone, and welcome to a very special

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Speaker 1: post season edition of The Start Night. Kelsey Charles, David Hellman, Dave.

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Speaker 1: Are you with us or meditating? Sleeping? We don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't pick it anymore. I can't. I'm done with

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Speaker 1: the hype. I just want to play this game. I

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Speaker 1: can't take the news cycle anymore. I just I just

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Speaker 1: want to play the forty nine ers. Okay, I'm ready. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So beyond ready is if you guys have been hiding

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Speaker 1: under a rock. There's a little bit of some history

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Speaker 1: between these two teams and therefore pretty exciting matchup to

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Speaker 1: say the least. Let's knock it off at the top

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Speaker 1: real quick. That's not what I meant to say, but

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go with it. Good news. We're we dive

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Speaker 1: into the actual matchup real quickly. Will McClay as you

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Speaker 1: were brought now as Cowboys dot Com. You locked him down. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Dave and I can't lock anyone down, but Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: sure cans. Oh God, congratulation. You have to throw us

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Speaker 1: into this. William McClay on the new DEALM many many

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Speaker 1: congrats to you. Will a vital cog in the Cowboys organization.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely thrilled to hear this. You were starting to hear

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Speaker 1: rumors of other teams kind of sniffing around. Maybe be interested,

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Speaker 1: not so fast, get out of here. Will McLay is

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. I for one, am pumped about it.

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Speaker 1: Sit down, Yeah, I mean me too. Like, this man's amazing.

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Speaker 1: He's a big reason why this Cowboys team has had

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Speaker 1: the success they've had. He's just a visionary and plus

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Speaker 1: we just personally like him in general. And he's a

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Speaker 1: badass and I like to beat him in words with friends.

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Speaker 1: I need to not hear anymore about your words with

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Speaker 1: rivalry with Will McClay. It's been all freaking year, which

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Speaker 1: I can't help. But notice, like the day he signs

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Speaker 1: his contract is the day he doesn't come to use

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Speaker 1: the studio, So well, can't you can't avoid us forever? Well?

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Speaker 1: You can't avoid us. We will see you soon. Well,

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Speaker 1: we will also see the forty nine ers soon, as

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Speaker 1: we were mentioning before. So I want to dive into

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Speaker 1: that matchup a little bit here first, because Jimmy G

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Speaker 1: talked about him and the pressure that he faces. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's three and one of the postseason. What does this

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Speaker 1: really that big of a threat. Now here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys might lose this game for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 1: This is a tough matchup. If it's because of Jimmy G.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to eat a bar of soap. Jimmy G

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Speaker 1: is like he's the Mendoza line for franchise quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: Like he's clearly good enough to get you to a

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Speaker 1: If you can force him to pass, that's what you

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Speaker 1: want this Cowboys defense to have to do. Like San

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Speaker 1: Francisco got to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: they played a game where he threw six passes. Because

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Speaker 1: the reason you lose, you're just never gonna sleep well again.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about Jimmy G. All Right, So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about his weapons and the six passes that

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Speaker 1: six passes. So Brandon Aiyuk, You've got George Kittle, we

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Speaker 1: Like if we're sitting here Monday talking about how Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about another weapon that this team has that

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Speaker 1: They're true running back in Elijah Mitchell. He's got nine

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Speaker 1: a variety of ways to do it. We already mentioned Deebo.

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Speaker 1: The scheme is just fantastic, and that's what the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: all right, well, there's obviously ILL have pressure on both

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Speaker 1: won't do that. Right, So, my dear David, there is

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Speaker 1: we're gonna decide which, if the two is facing more pressure.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a plan to me. I'm sure none

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Speaker 1: Why don't we How about these two just hugging it

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Speaker 1: Which of these two men is facing the most pressure

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Speaker 1: He signed the mega money deal in the offseason. He's

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Speaker 1: although Dad's the best. He's like, why do people talk

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Speaker 1: why don't we? Uh, you got an OC and a

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Speaker 1: DC both are getting a lot of interest in terms

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Speaker 1: of head coaching positions. So we've got a game to

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Speaker 1: play first, hopefully a few games. Which one of these

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Speaker 1: it's Kellen Moore. Dan Quinn's most scrutiny for sure as

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Speaker 1: of late. Absolutely, Yeah, his unit has been the one

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Speaker 1: think it's I think there's a lot on Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn's been here before. I think that what he's

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Speaker 1: it will be very toxic unfortunately. All Right, So let's

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Speaker 1: and Micah Parsons, Treyvon Diggs, You're welcome for not making

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Speaker 1: defense and good stuff. Now what stopped you? Now? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs in this matchup, especially if Deebo, Samuel or

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Speaker 1: My favorite narrative still is the Treyvon Diggs isn't good

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Speaker 1: in Cedric Wilson. Uh. We're going to keep playing our

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Speaker 1: the over under for this game is fifty and a half.

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Speaker 1: Like let's take the over. Why not, I'm going way under.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for making this so like like we needed

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Speaker 1: it to be harder, Kayden. We're doing so well at

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Speaker 1: this Cedric Wilson twelve catches the last two weeks needs

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Speaker 1: You'll see y'all next time. Don't forget to wear white

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Speaker 1: this weekend, okawboys, See you later.