1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland, and this is Fitness Disrupted. I 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: got to admit a little tired in a good way. 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm in my final week of peak training for the 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Iron Man, which isn't just two weeks from this weekend, 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: just doing a two week taper. Did a marathon last 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: weekend couple days ago, did a show about that ultra 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks prior to that. Lots of training 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: at fifty two. You can too whatever you want to do, 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: ages and number. I swam this morning, ran this morning, 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: and I've another run and another bike later. Like this 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: is good. We need to move, move frequently, use our bodies, 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: challenge ourselves. Many upcoming show will deal with that. But 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: I am so excited, even fatigued. This good fatigue, great 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: fatigue for the show and the guests. I get pitched 16 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: every day every day guests. I have to say one 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: makes it to the show, and this upcoming guest is 18 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: one of those, because I'm not gonna give you that information. 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: And many of these potential guests people have huge followings 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: that could really help my show as far as following 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: an exposure it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. 22 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: I told that story, I think one of my first 23 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: podcast shows, and we're up over four shows now. About 24 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: decades ago when I had my first opportunity to be 25 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: on TV talk show in New York City, and when 26 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: I found out, that's so excited. I got a call 27 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: because there was no Internet back then, and my people 28 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: went off and it was to talk about a bogus 29 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: claim in a book and back it up basically, and 30 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm not I can't talk about that, 31 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: but I'll talk about this. It was closely related. And 32 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the producer said, nope, we need you to talk about this, 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: back up this author's claim, and I said, well, I 34 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: can't do that, and it was crushing a huge network show, 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, not happening, and decades later, still not happening, 36 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: but so excited for this episode. We can talk about 37 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: strength training and fat loss specifically, but then so much 38 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: more because if I have a guest like this, we're 39 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: not just talking about one thing, and this guest is 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: super qualified to talk about so much more. And so 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: who am I talking about? Sabrina Joe from the American 42 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: Council on Exercise. She is American Council on Exercise Senior 43 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: Director of Science and Research. She has been actively involved 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: in the fitness and industry since she goes way back 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: like me. She is also an a certified group fitness instructor, 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: personal trainer, health coach, and she has taught group exercise 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: and owned her own personal training and health coaching business. 48 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: She has done a lot. She is a former full 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: time faculty member in the Kinesiology and Physical Education department 50 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: at California State University. Yeah, she teaches California State University, 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: Long Beach. She has a bachelor's degree in exercise science 52 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: as well as a master's degree in physic biomechanics from 53 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the University of Kansas. And she's currently pursuing and I 54 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: love this. We're gonna talk about this, her PhD in 55 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: exercise psychology. My master is an exercise science and exercise 56 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: psychology sports psychology specifically, And I would love and hopefully 57 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: we'll get my PhD someday too. Trying to squeeze it 58 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: all in. Joe is a relentless pursuer of finding ways 59 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: to help people start and stick with physical activity. Awesome 60 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: qualified more than qualified all right, and yes, we're gonna 61 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: talk specifically about a very recent study on strength training 62 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: and fat loss. Awesome news, but we're gonna take it 63 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: much further than that. I'm gonna talk about the myriad 64 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: benefits of strength training. I've done so many episodes already 65 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: on that. We we're gonna talk about it again, and 66 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: I want you to hear it, especially you women. From 67 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: a woman, I'm a guy, I get it oftentimes. You know, 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: messenger matters. Now I hope you know well it helps, 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: and we're gonna hammer that message home over and over 70 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: and over again. I'm gonna bring you the best guests 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: with the greatest qualifications, the greatest experience, so you can 72 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: hear it from people who know what they're talking about. 73 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: So you stop wasting your time, you stop wasting your money, 74 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: you stop getting injured, and you achieve your goals. I 75 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: take it back, you don't achieve your goals, you exceed 76 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: your goals. Alright, quick break. When we come back right 77 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: to it with Sabrina Joe from the American Council, exercise 78 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: will be right back and we are back. As I 79 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: said in the intro, I'm so excited because I only 80 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: bring you the best people, because I want you to 81 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: stop wasting your time and your money. I have been 82 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 1: in this industry a really long time, as has this person, 83 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: Sabrina Joe from the American Council on Exercise. She is, 84 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: as I sat in the intro, the senior director of 85 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: Science and Research. Sabrina, thank you so much for taking 86 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: the time. I'm really really happy to be here. Oh 87 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: my gosh. Uh. You know, whenever I start one of these, 88 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: I always say, like, I want five hours with you, Sabrina. 89 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: We don't have that, So we are gonna touch on 90 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot of things and just give people quickly. Again, 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: I did your intro, but you know, in your own words, 92 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: you know your background and what you're doing and stuff 93 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: like that. You know, quick elevator pitch. Sure, Sure, I'll 94 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: try to keep it assistinct from I have been in 95 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: the fitness industry, for my goodness, over thirty years now. 96 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: I cringe saying that, but it's true. And I started 97 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: being a group fitness instructor, then personal trainer, then managing 98 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: fitness staff in exercise facilities while also teaching at the 99 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: university level, and after several years of that, I ended 100 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: up getting into work with the American Fans on Exercise, 101 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: which is an education company to help prepare exercise professionals 102 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: and health coaches to sit for their certification exams and 103 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: then also on once people are certified, we also provide 104 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: continuing education for them to help them develop professionally in 105 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: their careers. And that's where I am now director Senior 106 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: Director of Science and Research for ACE and a large 107 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: part of my what I do is I make sure 108 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: that content that we provide for our professionals in terms 109 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: of education and certification really meet um rigorous scientific standards. 110 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: We want to make sure that what we put out 111 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: is sound information that's actually gonna protect and keep the 112 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: public safe. I love it, I have to say. So 113 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: we have almost the same bio, We're probably almost the 114 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: same age. I didn't I have not yet taught. But 115 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: that is my cubrit that that's what I want to do. 116 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: You know, at seventy eight, you know in Hawaii maybe 117 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: or somewhere like that, would love to teach, would love 118 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: to go for my PhD as well. So so jealous, 119 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we have many of the same stories 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: and and you know, um ACE was my first certification. 121 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: I want to say I gotta look back something like that, 122 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: way back, maybe even earlier, and it scared the heck 123 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: out of me, and I remember being so excited. I 124 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: made that decision that this was going to be my 125 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: career making, my passion, my vocation, and I loved it, 126 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I go all the way back. Very 127 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: first certification ever was ace UM and explained to people, 128 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: are gonna jump all over the place with the Sabrina. 129 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, we live in a world of social media 130 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: and fitness gurus and fitness influencers. Explained to people, because 131 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: we have both sides that listen to the show, the 132 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: trainers and the people who hire them. You are already 133 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: touched on it. But how important you know, everyone preaches 134 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: and says Sabrina that they have world class trainers, right, 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: all of these you know, different content producing entities. But 136 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: explain what why it's so important to have a certification 137 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: and it should be self explanatory. But yeah, yeah, well 138 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: well I will definitely answer that question. But first I 139 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: want to just say Tom that I think you're already 140 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: a fantastic teacher. I mean, what you're doing with your 141 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: podcast and how you're educating the public on very complex 142 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: topics but bringing them about, you know, in a way 143 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: that people can understand that I think is huge and 144 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: that's the hallmarks of the great teachers. So you're already 145 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: doing it, but you know doing in Hawaii when you're 146 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: eating that's also. Um So in terms of being sort 147 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: of by why that's important. Um Well, what a certification 148 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: does for you, especially one that's accredited by a third 149 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: party organization, just make sure that the you know, the 150 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: standards are up to part and that you know all 151 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: the boxes are checked when it comes to being a 152 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: credible certification is what it does is it gives you 153 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: we call it a minimal level of professional competency, and 154 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: that's a mouthful, but what it means is if you 155 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: successfully prepare for and pass a certification exam, let's say, 156 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: for example, from the American Council and Exercise, what that 157 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: means is that you are ready to serve clients and 158 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: give them safe and effective exercise and health coaching programs. 159 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: And it really does meet mean that you meet that 160 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: minimal level of competencies such that you have the knowledge 161 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: and skills to provide safety and protect the public from harm, 162 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: and you're also protecting yourself from liability. To if you 163 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: think about it. So it's really a great win win 164 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: situation found in the public but yourself as a professional. 165 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: And the reason that we say minimal competency professionally is 166 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: that perhaps you've heard this, or you may hear this 167 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: one day. Well, people might say that a certification doesn't 168 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: really guarantee that you're a good trainer, and okay, I'll 169 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: agree with that, because what happens is you meet that 170 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: minimal level of competency and then you continue to develop 171 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: yourself through great education and through great experiences actually working 172 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: with people that make you better and better you know, 173 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: each time you do it as the years go by. 174 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: So it kind of view certification is that that first 175 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: best step to really get your you know, your grounding 176 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: in the field, understand exactly what is you're doing as 177 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: you're you're helping and serving clients, and then that takes 178 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: you out a have to really narrow down your niche 179 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: if that's what you want to call it, and really 180 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: pursue education and experiences that make you better and better 181 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: each time. So that's kind of a maybe a long 182 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: winded way to explain my my opinion on certifications, but 183 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: I do think they're important, and I do think it's 184 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: important just to get your you know, you're grounding as 185 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: you're entering the field. Well, and thank you for that. 186 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: And I think it's crazy that you and I almost feel, 187 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, badly for explaining it. And you know you. 188 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: I love that you said minimal, which is less than 189 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, people in social media especially 190 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: have today. Uh, this is this is this is really important. 191 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: It's our health and so many people have issues, right, 192 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: That's why they come to trainers quite often, right, cardiovascular, muscular, skeletal. 193 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of important that you know what you're doing. Now. 194 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: We all learn over time, we get better about Sabrina 195 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: And I started, you know, at the beginning, right, but Sabrina, 196 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: one of my my newest you know, unfortunate or whatever 197 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: way you want to look at it. WHEV streams is 198 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: being a fitness expert in the lawsuits. Uh, and you know, 199 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: personal injury. And I had the craziest deposition one of 200 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: the first ones, where the lawyer that was deposing me 201 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: asked the trainers were not certified. I take it back. 202 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: They had a kettlebell certification, so a specialty certification. We'll 203 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: talk about that quickly. In a second. But they had 204 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: no basic certification personal trainer or group fitness anything like that. 205 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: And she asked me, do you have to be certified 206 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: to be a trainer in a gym? And the answer 207 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: is no, right, not that I know of. Unless something's changed, 208 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to be. It's not federal law and nothing. 209 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: So she actually said to me, Sabraina, you will appreciate 210 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: this more than most. She said, well, then why would 211 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: you why would you get certified? And my answer was 212 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: so you don't end up here and she didn't really 213 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: have a good response to that. Um, we should do 214 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: no harm, just like doctors. So I don't want to 215 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: be labor this point too much. But to Sabrina's point, 216 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: when you are working with someone or you're going to 217 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: start working with someone, asked them what their credentials are, 218 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: looked them up. There are many certifications that you can 219 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: just get online. Is one of the ones has been 220 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: around for decades for a reason. So, uh, there are 221 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: a handful that are the top ones. Is at that 222 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: top level. Um, okay, so we got that out of 223 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: the way. I appreciated bringing up the kettlebell they know too, 224 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: because um, there's a difference between, like you said, specialty certification, 225 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: so in the you know, it's it's in the industry 226 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: or in education. We kind of think about these terms 227 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: very technically. So there's a certification which is accredited by 228 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: a third party and you have to do continuing education 229 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: and renew that certification every couple of years just to 230 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: make sure that you're up to date with the latest 231 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: industry guidelines and published research. And then there is a 232 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: certificate of completion for education. And a lot of times 233 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: fitness companies will offer some education like I'm going to 234 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: teach you how to work out on a suspension trainer. 235 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to teach you how to use this trampoline 236 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: to do a fitness class, and that is education, and 237 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: once you complete it, then you have a certificate of completion. 238 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: But sometimes those things aren't necessarily certifications, and so it's 239 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: really confusing just for the average person that wrap their 240 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: mind around and why would they write So it's just 241 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: like if it's not your you know, your business, your industry. 242 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: There there are these distinctions that are important for people 243 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: to know. But to your point, yet understand their credentials 244 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: and look for those large well recognized and accredited certifications. 245 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: There are a handful, so it's not just ACE, but 246 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: the ACE is certainly one of the tops of things. 247 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Were mentioning that I've been around for a long time, 248 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: right for a reason, as I said, um, and and 249 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: we'll just one more like to put a point on that. 250 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, group cycling is so popular now obviously, 251 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: which makes me laugh and kind of ties into the 252 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: bulk myth. I want to talk to you about two 253 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: and many of those people, you know, we're hired not 254 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: because they're certified or even own a bike or been outside, 255 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: not that that's in this. You know, they're just really 256 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: good at motivating people and they look good and I 257 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: get it. Just to clarify again, there's group fitness instruction, 258 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, and AFA was the one back in the 259 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: day that I did for that ACE didn't have, you know, 260 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: way back when all the ones they have now, which 261 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: is amazing. And then there's cycling and you know, uh 262 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: specialty certificates of achievement what are they called now, I 263 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: don't even know. We call certificates of completion completion, right, 264 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: So there's specialty. So the best trainers, the best instructors 265 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: are going to have personal training, group fitness and then 266 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: a specialty in that domain, which with a specialize, right, boxing, 267 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is. So yeah, just be careful. Let's get 268 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: into this study and then we're gonna go into much 269 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: more about strength training while I have you, and I 270 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: just love that I have you to talk about all this. Um, 271 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about it, Sabrina on this show many times. 272 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: But you know, most people do cardio thinking that that's 273 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: going to help with weight loss, which it does rins 274 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Calary's obviously, and then strength training. They don't understand, you know, 275 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: the fat loss, the weight loss element of that. You know, 276 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: it's all about building muscle, you know, strength things like that. 277 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: But explain to them, and when we'll talk about the 278 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: specific study, it's the effect of resistance training and healthy 279 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: adults on body fat percentage, fat mass, and visceral fat. 280 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: A systematic review and meta analysis. And this was like 281 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: a month ago, right, could not be more recent. And 282 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: explain to people what that found. Well, it was a 283 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: great study because it was a meta analysis based on 284 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: literature of you that that looked at exercise interventions that 285 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: only involved the resistance training, So aerobic wasn't aerobic or 286 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: cardio training wasn't involved in terms of what they looked 287 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: at is outcome and and and this is important because 288 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: oftentimes in our industry that's been the trope is that, well, 289 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: if you want to lose weight, then you have to 290 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: do cardio, and you have to do lots of cardio, 291 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: and there's ensure strength training. It is great, but you 292 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: also need to do a bunch of party out of 293 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: this weight. And what this research found was that that 294 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: simply wasn't true. In fact, the resistance training alone resulted 295 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: in um, you know, a significant percent of body fat 296 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: percentage reduction as well as you know, pounds of fat 297 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: or fat mass lost compared with people who didn't exercise UM. 298 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: And it also found that very specifically, the visceral fat, 299 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: or the inner abdominal or indorrastic cavity fat that often 300 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: leads to problems with metabolic issues in the long run, 301 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: that type of viseral fact was specifically reduced just due 302 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: to resistance training alone. And I can't tell you what 303 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: great news that is, because when we're talking about hell 304 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: and being you know, the well and just having the 305 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: highest markers of health you can have, and we're talking 306 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: about even cardiovascular and metabolic health this study showed that 307 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: resistance training can help elicit that, and I think that's huge. Yeah, 308 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: so for people, so meta analysis for everyone, that means 309 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: they're looking at a bunch of studies, right, very easily put. 310 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: So they're looking back and they're not conducting a study, 311 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: but they're looking at the literature, and then they're eliminating 312 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: certain studies based on their criteria. So they're looking at 313 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of things, which is one way to do it. 314 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: And then the intra abdominal fact that you're talking about 315 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: that leads to like major heart issue or major issues 316 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: right when the fat is around your internal organs. Essentially 317 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: that's not a good thing, which is what you're trying 318 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: to explain to people, right, And that's that's so important 319 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: as you're saying, And I love that you get as 320 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: excited about it as I do. I think, Sabrina, we 321 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: live in a world where it's it's all or nothing. Right, 322 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: It's is a cardio or is its strength? You know 323 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: which is better? Which is best? You need to lift 324 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: heavy things, you need to raise your heart rate, you 325 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: need to eat healthy foods, right, and they work in 326 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: a combination that most people who write articles don't care 327 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: to or don't have the ability to kind to look at. 328 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: And so there's so many benefits that far exceed what 329 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: we see and you're kind of alluding to them. Yeah, 330 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that resistance 331 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: training alone at the exclusion of cardio is a good idea. 332 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: What I'm in or did the authors of the study. 333 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: What they're saying though, is that there's more than one 334 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: way to improve your health through physical activity and exercise. 335 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: And it's just it's nice to have this type of 336 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: research where you know, if resistance trains your JAM, then 337 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: do it, and do it knowing that it's actually really 338 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: good for your heart and your body fat and your 339 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: visceral fat as well. Um Likewise, if you're really into 340 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: cardio and that's your JAM, you're getting all the great 341 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: benefits of cardio, you might consider introducing more resistance training 342 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: because we all know that's part of a complete program 343 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: and that you're not going to you know, missed out 344 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: on any benefits. It's a cardio health just we're doing 345 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: resistance training. So I just think it gives us a 346 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: fuller picture of the larger puzzle that we're trying to 347 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: create here. When we're helping people with exercise, because honestly, 348 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and you know this, 349 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: it's the exercise that you're actually going to do, it matters, right, 350 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: And I think this is a great for people who 351 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: enjoy resistance training. Keep doing it. Yeah, And there's so 352 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: many things we could talk about as far as that goes, Sabrina. 353 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: You know, circuit training, there's so many different ways to 354 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: do it. As Sabrina is saying, you know, find what 355 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: you like. If you're an Olympic lifter, well then you 356 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: find ways to introduce that cardiovascular element to it. If 357 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: you're a cardio person and you're like, okay, you know, 358 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to lift the weights or using machines 359 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: where there's body There's so many options, um, and so 360 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: many ways to do it, you know. I think Sabrina, 361 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: especially because we've done this for decades now, people think 362 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: that you have to go to the gym, you have 363 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: to do an hour and it has to suck, which 364 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: is just not the it's punishment. And I would argue 365 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: that you probably are like me and that if you 366 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: told me I couldn't get my workout in when this 367 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: is over, I would be really angry, right, I look 368 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: forward to it. If you told me I couldn't eat 369 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: my healthy foods, I'd be really angry. Now that doesn't 370 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: mean I don't indulge frequently. I have my wine, I 371 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: have all that stuff. It's just balanced and excessive moderation 372 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: that we'll talk about what's your go to Actually I 373 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: actually know one of your but like, what's your favorite cardio? 374 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: What's your or strength training either or both or anything. 375 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm just curious. Oh my goodness, you know what it 376 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: changes over time because I get kind of bored doing 377 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: the same stuff. So there was a time when I 378 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: was really into group fitness and dance, and then I 379 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: actually got into some crazy circuits arts and like hanging 380 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: from silts. That's what I knew and what a fun 381 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: way of challenging way for both brain and body. And 382 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: then you know, I'm not a spring chickens, so you know, 383 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: I a dadline that every once in a while. But 384 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: my body was telling me now I need some more 385 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: maybe time and nature. So right now I'm really into walking, 386 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: being outside, especially during this pandemic. It's really been great 387 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: for my mental health just to be outside with nature. 388 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: And I do a lot of like body might kelislinics 389 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: for my resistance dream currently And I love that answer, Sabrina, 390 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: and I I'm not surprised that it's the variation. And 391 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: that's what I talked about all the time as well. 392 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: And I, you know, try to get across to people. Yes, 393 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: you find what you love to do, but that's going 394 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: to change over time. And people beat themselves up. They go, 395 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I was, you know, spending three times 396 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: a week and I lost all this weight and now 397 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm I can't get there. You go, okay, change it up, 398 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: like you know, it's okay, and that's normal, and you're 399 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: gonna you know, that plateau physically you're gonna hit and 400 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: the plateau psychologically. Um And and I know that people, 401 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you know one of your big things 402 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: is getting people to keep exercising. So to explain to 403 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: them that that's not only it's normal and it's healthy 404 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: and it's what's gonna keep you getting results. That's a 405 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Yeah, thanks for bringing up, because 406 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about that enough. Um. You know, 407 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: when I was first starting out in this industry in 408 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: the nineties, I it was body building. That was the thing, right, bodybuilding, 409 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: these fitness competitions, and I will admit that I did 410 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: some of that because I thought I had to, because 411 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: I did too, And I'm glad. I'm glad there was 412 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: no internet. So I don't know about you, but I'm 413 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: glad there's no pictures. That's all I'm really grateful about. 414 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: I know, at a different time, right, uh so yeah, 415 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: so so you get it. I thought that was the 416 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: end all fel and honestly, I thought, oh, I'll just 417 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: do this forever. And then when I, you know, became 418 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: a little more mature and realized, you know what, I'm 419 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: just really into this that much anymore, and it's not 420 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: that necessary. I can pursue movement through things that I enjoy, 421 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: and I can learn it with new things without the 422 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: fear of how I'm going to lose all my muscle, 423 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to lose all my cardio gains. And that's 424 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: just not true. The body is amazing and adaptive, and 425 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: whatever you throw at it, it will adapt, perhaps in 426 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 1: new ways, but it's not like you're you're going to 427 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: change fundamentally. Now. I will say that if you're in 428 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: if you're a person who enjoys competition, for example, you 429 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: do have to put in the work and from the 430 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: time to make sure that whatever you're competing in is successful. So, Tom, 431 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: I know that you're into some endurance sports. I've heard, 432 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: um yeah, and and you know the same. It's true 433 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: with the your body builder. You know, you do have 434 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: to put in the time and do the work. If 435 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: if that's if competition is your goal. But if it's 436 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: not your goal, and I would argue that it's not 437 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: most people's goal, then just moving and enjoying the experience 438 00:24:54,400 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: of moving really freeze your mental health and wellness up 439 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: to a new level. But but I'm really enjoying now 440 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: that I'm not kind of um, you know, tied into competitions. 441 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: But that's just me. Oh, but I'm with you. I 442 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: know I'm not one of those lunatic type, a durance 443 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: kind of you know when people read my books that 444 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: I you know, triathlon and marathon Sabrina. They just tweeted 445 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: it yesterday he said, this isn't enough. I'm about being 446 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: injury free, you know, and you know I want to be. 447 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm fifty two, I've done an insane number of races, 448 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: but I'm injury free. That's what I'm most proud of. 449 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: And you know, I you know, Matt Fitzgerald, there's certain 450 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: people who you know, like you are really educated and 451 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: the people I looked up to and studied back in 452 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: the day. Um, but I'm with you. My favorite part 453 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: of the day, Sabrina, is walking my two labs in 454 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: the woods in the morning. You know, so right, that's it. 455 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: And I hear you with nature and we do those 456 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: shows in green exercise and you know you don't have 457 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: to exercise. I think over time, Sabrina, like we need 458 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 1: to figure at another word, right, that doesn't have this 459 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: negative connotation unfortunately, you know that it has gotten over 460 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: the years. It's movement and I'm a percent with you. 461 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: The triathlons and things like that. That's my therapy, but 462 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: it's also my goal setting and I get to travel 463 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: and do things like that. But but I am the 464 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: exception in that field that I'm not your typical um, 465 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: you know the guys I got, yeah, go ahead, Well, 466 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: I was just thinking that the way you explain it, though, 467 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: it just sounds so wholesome. What what it sounds like 468 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: is that the all of the activities around the actual 469 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: competition are valuable to you. You highly value the whole process, 470 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: so not just competition day. It's like everything leading up 471 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: to it, and you're like, you're into it. It's not 472 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: like a punishment. I love the journey, right, No, And 473 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I love that you said that, and it's so true 474 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: and so few people get that. I acquire many years 475 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: ago and I was a trainer and the goal was 476 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: to get to Hawaii, and you know, I kept coming 477 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: up short, but I was going to places like South 478 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: Korea and New Zealand, amazing trips, and i'd come back 479 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: and I admit I'm one race. I miss qualified by 480 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: like seven seconds, and they're like, are you crushed? And 481 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: I go, yeah, but I was like, well, I would 482 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: have liked to have, you know, made it, but like 483 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 1: the whole journey, I'm healthy, I feel good, So you've 484 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: got to enjoy the journey. And I know that, like 485 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: it's over Instagram all these quotes and stuff, but very 486 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: few people actually live it. Sabrina right next and embrace it. 487 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right now, and thank you for pointing 488 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: that out. While I have you, we really need like 489 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: five hours, um, but let's get let's get to the meat. 490 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: Of it, the myth of bulk and women and strength 491 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: training which almost drove me out of the business because 492 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: it's so frustrating and it's so pervasive. It's so pervasive. Yeah, 493 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: um yeah, and it's a shame. But I will say 494 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: that I seem less. I don't know, eight to ten years, 495 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: I think it's becoming more and more acceptable for women 496 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: to be involved in strength and resistance training. You just 497 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: it's it's the it's more normal, you know, we're making 498 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: it normal. Um yes, right, the body types, the CrossFit bodies. 499 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: I love that. I love it, yes, yes, And just 500 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: images of women under the bar, like moving some weight 501 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: around and I and I think that's very empowering and 502 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: I wish, you know, more and more people would experience that. 503 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: Um so yeah. But I think you are hinting to 504 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 1: the this myth that really has a grip on women 505 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: who maybe are starting out with resistance training and in 506 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: the back of their heads they have this story that well, 507 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: if I continue to do this, you know, I'm really 508 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: enjoying this, but if if I continue to do this, 509 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to end up looking uh, not like myself 510 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: or like some other kind of um you know, you know, 511 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 1: what's the person that I don't really identify with? And 512 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: that's that's a shame, because the first thing that I'm 513 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: hoping to express to my clients when they're lifting weights 514 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: and using load like they've never used before, is Wow, 515 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: your body is changing. But it's changed functionally. It's not 516 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: necessarily changing in the mirror. It's changing such that your 517 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: life and your activities are a lot more meaningful and 518 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: easy to do. You can lift weight, you can live children, 519 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: you cannot be afraid to try something new. You're going 520 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: on vacation and you want to hike. You're going on 521 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: vacation and you want to, I don't know, do a 522 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: zip line, get crazy with it. But you know, the 523 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: more muscle functions and even that's quite frankly that you have, 524 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: the more ability you have to do things that are 525 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: adventurous and also just your functional daily task. Cardio adds 526 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: years to your life, and strength training adds life to 527 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: your years. And people don't appreciate what you're saying, Sabrina. 528 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: Enough that we're gonna live to be thanks to modern medicine, 529 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: but what are those years gonna be like? Right? And 530 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: that's why in my book, the New Book, I talked 531 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: about the chapters called the Fountain of Youth for the 532 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: very reasons you are putting forth, like you know, live 533 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: better or live longer, look better, feel better. You're gonna 534 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: get all three of those things, regardless of the reason 535 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: you start right, strength training or cardio exercise in general. 536 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: But you know the story that you bring to mind 537 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: years ago, as on MAUI to do a race and 538 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: my wife and I girlfriend at the time, we found this. 539 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: There's a whale watch at the top of a bluff 540 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: and it was free and you just had to show 541 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: up and volunteer and you're gonna spend the day counting whales. 542 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like this just unbelievable opportunity. But it was 543 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: a really steep cliff, Sabrina, and there was like fifteen 544 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: people that showed up, and a handful were significantly overweight 545 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: and they didn't make it to the top of the cliff. 546 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: And that was like a first real life like, oh 547 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: my gosh, you're missing out. And you know, there's so 548 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: many other examples were kind of alluding to as well, 549 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: but it's about enjoying life, right, having your years years 550 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: equality and do the things you want to do. And 551 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: I also want to say, there's nothing wrong with valuing appearance. 552 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: Let me just put that out there. I'm not I'm 553 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: not trying to discourage anyone from or like I'm not 554 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: trying to encourage anyone to feel bad about themselves if 555 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: you look I just want to look better. That's a 556 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: that's a legitimate goal, and it can be done in 557 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: part through exercise. But I think the nineties did us 558 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: a disservice, to be honest, because that was that was 559 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: all the focus. That's what a lot of people, I 560 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: just think associate with exercise is how to look like 561 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: a fitness model. And there's so much more to it 562 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: than that. And that's why I really enjoy podcasts like yours, Tom, 563 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: because it's getting that message out there that, depending on 564 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: what you value, exercise can actually bring you that plus 565 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: so much more and talk about your work. I love 566 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: it about just getting people to want to come back exercise, 567 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: like you're you know, finishing a PhD in in psychology 568 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: exercise psychology, because most people, let's face it, Sabrina, they 569 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: know they need to move more, to eat better, to 570 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: do all the things we're talking about. It's the motivation, 571 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: the incentives that psychology that you and I both love 572 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: so much um and talk about kind of your focus 573 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: and I just love it. I keep saying love it. 574 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: But it's for a reason, um, in kind of getting 575 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: people to embrace everything we're talking about. Yeah, So I'm 576 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: only interested in something called the motivational climate, especially in 577 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: exercise setting. So what motivational climate is is the the 578 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: environment that the exercise leader. So that could be a 579 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: personal trainer, or it could be in a group setting, 580 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: but it's the environment that the exercise leader creates such 581 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: that everyone in that setting feels welcomed, feels recognized, and 582 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: rewarded for self improvement, not comparison to others or comparison 583 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: to some weird standardized norm but just self improvement and 584 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: the joy of you know, being they're interacting with socially 585 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: with other people. And so my research, I'm looking at 586 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: ways that we can help teach instructors and trainers and 587 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: coaches how to create that environment such that the participants 588 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: want to adhere, they want to continue coming back for 589 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: more and more, because not only are they part of 590 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: some great fitness community, but they're also getting some of 591 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: those basic psychological needs met like autonomy and competence, and relatedness, 592 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: and the exercise leader instructor can play a huge part 593 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: in that. So I'm really interested in how we help 594 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: people feel valued and welcomed in the exercise space and 595 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: we can kind of, you know, kick ego out the 596 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: door and and just look at what it means to 597 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: enjoy movement. Yeah, I think people appreciate. And I was 598 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: thinking about this recently, Sabrina. You know, when you and 599 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: I started in this business and we both talk group fitness, 600 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: and it was really hard, right, So, especially in places 601 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: like New York City where you're getting up at six 602 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: am in front of a group of fifty sixty people 603 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: depending on the class who also got up at you know, 604 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: five am, to be there at six and to command 605 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: that room and all of the stuff that was going on, 606 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: and to do what you're saying, which I would argue 607 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of people. It was about ego, 608 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: right Listen, you know there's a reason many people but 609 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: to do what you're describing. And now we live in 610 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: a world where it's kind of gone right, So now 611 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: it's the pelotons, it's behind the video camera, which is 612 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: hard in and of itself, really hard, but it's different 613 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: but I I just so aligned with you. I still 614 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: do a Nantucket camp. I do it for over twenty years, 615 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: and my goal is to interact with everyone at least 616 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: Once we got it to be too big, Sabrina and 617 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: I cut it down because it was too many people 618 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: and I couldn't do that. And the hardest thing is 619 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: to take each person to their level of you know, success, 620 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: and to build that self efficacy, which is one of 621 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: my favorite topics and all of what we're talking about, right, 622 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: it's the situational confidence. It's the small victories and to 623 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: get people to show up again, right, who come the 624 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: first time? It's like a psychologist, what's their main goal 625 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: after the first session? In the first session to come 626 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: back again? And the same thing is true, if not 627 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: more with with exercise. Yeah, it's something that you you know, 628 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: when I talked about these things with other people, they 629 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: nod their heads and are like, well, yeah, of course 630 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: you want to create that caring kind of environment where 631 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: people feel valued and perspective. Of course, why wouldn't you? 632 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: But then you go out and you experience the world 633 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: and you're like, why isn't this happening? It's just it's 634 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: it's amazing to me how some of the stuff that 635 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: I just said is common sense but yet not actually 636 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: being practiced in these exercise settings. And you know, some 637 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: people would argue, well, you know, I'm kind of motivated 638 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: by that kund motivated by you know, the boot camp 639 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: style or the military all person yelling in my face 640 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: and comparing me to others and filling me on the 641 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: pissocraph if I don't finish your pushet, you know. And 642 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: and I would argue, uh, First, I don't think that's 643 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: how most people are motivated. And second, I would say 644 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: that in our research, what we found, even if you're 645 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: a person who who tends to gravitate towards that ego 646 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: style of motivation, you actually flourish better in caring more task, 647 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: involving climate, even if you are that ego type person. 648 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying is that this this type 649 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: of attitude where we really pull people in and we 650 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: create a social cohesion and camaraderie and value and respect 651 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: for each individual human in the room, benefits all different 652 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: types of personality styles. Yeah. Yeah, And that's where you know, 653 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: we when we talk about sure home workouts, and I 654 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: talked about that frequently, and the gems and gyms will 655 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: always be around you, Like, it makes me sad that 656 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: you know we are behind the screen and you know 657 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: that instructor. Sure they're interacting, you know, digitally whatever you 658 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: want to call it, virtually, but there's something so powerful 659 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: as you're saying about that group dynamic. Now, there'll be 660 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: different ways to do that, but there's nothing like doing 661 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: it in person. And it takes a really great instructor, 662 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: as you're saying, to bring that to a group who 663 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: are coming with so many different issues and fitness levels 664 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: and goals and things like that. So this is the 665 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: new I think focus of exercise hopefully, right, Sabrina, Right, well, 666 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: and we need much more of this, and you know, 667 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 1: I truly believe that, you know it will happen. Right. 668 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: There will always be the people who want that boot 669 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: camp mentality that was always criticism of me, Sabrina back 670 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: in the day. I don't know about you when people 671 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: say you're not tough enough. You know, your your intervals are. 672 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: I was like, well, interval training is I always say, 673 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: do you remember the I won't name the DVD program, 674 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 1: but we all know what it was. You know, interval 675 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: training is has always been short periods of work with 676 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: long periods of rest. Well we turned that upside down. 677 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: Well that's not really interval training. If you get into that, right, 678 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: you need that rest to come back. But yeah, I 679 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: think there's such a shift of paradigm shift in fitness 680 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: and that's a good thing. But it's going to take 681 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: some work. Oh man, you're bringing me back. I love it? Um. 682 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: I Yeah. I had that criticism as well from from 683 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: clients who thought that they should be crippled after a 684 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: hard workout. I'm like, what are you talking like? They'd 685 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: work with other people and that's how they felt. And 686 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: of course you did a very small percentage of people 687 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: who would actually come back after that, Like I want 688 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: more of that, And like, what are you talking about? Right? You? 689 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: You I need to be able to sit down and 690 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: chair comfortably after a workout. I don't. I don't understand 691 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: people who are e gauging the you know, the efficacy 692 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: of their workout by the pain therein afterwards. So I 693 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: was never a proponent of at and and you're right, 694 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: there are some people who really crave that or use 695 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: that as an indicator like muscle soreness or the ability 696 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: to feel like you're just in a crumpled pile on 697 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: the floor after your workout, and it just doesn't have 698 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 1: to be that like. In fact, hot argue that's actually 699 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: detrimental because not only does it maybe you prevent some 700 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: people from willing to come back if they're if they're 701 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: not into that kind of thing, but I do think 702 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: it's set you up for injury. So I love your 703 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: approach of that excessive moderation. That's great. Yeah, and it 704 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: you know, I lost a lot of clients over the years, 705 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: but that was okay. And again people who read the 706 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: books and say it's too easy, you know, all I 707 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: can do is be a living proof. I'm still doing 708 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: it um the experiment of one as we call it. 709 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: But it's all about coming back tomorrow, right. The most 710 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 1: important metric, I would say, Sabrina. With all the fitness technology, 711 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: it's it's how frequently you do what you do? Right? 712 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: So sure we can track hurry, variability and all this 713 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: kind of stuff and awesome, but at the end of 714 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: the day, are you injured, are you happy? Are you 715 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: doing what you want? And are you going to do 716 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: it again tomorrow? It's really easy to make people do 717 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: a hundred push ups. It's really easy to make people sore, 718 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: but to take people right to that level, and take 719 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: a group, a group, you know, right to that level 720 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: each person, that is really hard. I don't think people 721 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, that's a skill in understanding how to 722 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: help people self monitor. And for some people who need 723 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: people in exercise, that's a foreign concept because they're they're 724 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: up there, they're like, I'm demonstrating this, and I want 725 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: you to follow me, And it's it's a better approach 726 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: if you demonstrate something and you say I want you 727 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: to follow me in a way that feels and works 728 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: well for you. And everyone looks different when they're doing that. 729 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: So I'm confident we're seeing more and more of that 730 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: type of coaching and leadership. And to your point about 731 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: the digital you know, the technology that's invaded the space 732 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: now due to our life circumstances, and I don't think 733 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: it's going away, will be here forever. That is kind 734 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: of something that really has thrown a wrench into my 735 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: research because I was planning on researching groups in you know, 736 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: live settings at business as usual, and now I've had 737 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: to think pretty hard about the virtual or online teaching 738 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: and that's a whole different animal and I'm not sure 739 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: I've wrapped my head around that yet. True. Yeah, we 740 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: still don't know where it's all going to end up, right, 741 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it's a positive obviously bringing 742 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: things into the home, but it's always a double edged sword, right, 743 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: and um, you know, hopefully people survive and don't get 744 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: too injured if they're doing that kind of stuff. And 745 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, I always laugh. We'll leave the digital at this. 746 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: You know, when I'm doing I'll try everything. And you 747 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: know a workout where there's a leaderboard and the instructor 748 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: has us cooling down, and you just watch yourself drop 749 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: on that leaderboard by hundreds of people as people are 750 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: obviously hammering to get to that point right during the 751 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: cool And I get it, and we we need to 752 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: measure ourselves, but at the end of the day, you're 753 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: competing against yourself. And again, these are cliches that we 754 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 1: see all the time. But you know, fitness is tough 755 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: to to preach the moderation, Sabrina, which is why I'm 756 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,439 Speaker 1: so happy. It's so hard. It's hard, it doesn't sell. 757 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: I wait, I'll leave you with this. Actually, so working 758 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: on the current book and pitched it, you know, the titles, 759 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: and I said excessive moderation. And it was a bunch 760 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: of twenties somethings at the publishing house and they're like, 761 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: we hate that was like, and I go, I get it, 762 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: and I understand what sells and but yeah, they're like 763 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: that just sucks, like that's a horrible title, and I go, 764 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: I understand, but um, yeah, we we need more books, 765 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: whether it be nutrition and motivation and exercise that really 766 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: preach you know, the moderation side. Yeah, you know your 767 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: point about your digital exercise class and you have a 768 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,919 Speaker 1: leaderboard that you're watching. You know, there are certain kinds 769 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: of people who just love that type of thing and 770 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: that is fine for them. And so if I'm hoping 771 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: to get across anything in my helping people move more 772 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: in trying to just give out the public message that 773 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: you choose what you value and then you pursue that 774 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: and it I can guarantee you it's going to look 775 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: different than what your best friend does or what your 776 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: family member does, or what Sabrina does or what Tom does, 777 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: and and that's okay, And I just I want the 778 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: message to be There are so many ways to go 779 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: about fitness, whatever your goal, that it doesn't have to 780 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: be a plan that makes you miserable. So that's that's 781 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: a message, and I agree, but I'm not going to 782 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: let these people off because h has nothing to do 783 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: with the leaderboard. And just wrap it up with this. 784 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: There's a science too much of the stuff that Sabrina 785 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: and I talked about and when we taught, so just 786 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: to quickly give the science to cool down. So you 787 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: just hammered for forty minutes and we talked. We talked 788 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: about lactic gas, and we talked about a recovery and 789 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. And you know, you can 790 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: sell recovery boots, or you can actually do the cool down, 791 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: which is gonna help work the lactic acid out of 792 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: your system. You know, massage forty eight hours later isn't 793 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: gonna do it. It's already out. You know, the physiology. 794 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: But when you have a qualified instructor who is asking 795 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: you to do things, oftentimes it's hopefully it's for a 796 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: physiological reason. The warm up, the structure of the class. 797 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: You know, you know, if they're asking you to go 798 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: hard for thirty seconds, I'm gonna get worked up. Sabrina. 799 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, no, no, no, But 800 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 1: I love because you're just like me, Like you know, 801 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: we want people to be happy and do what you 802 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: want to do. And I listen, I'm motivated to I'm competitive, 803 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: but I'm also competitive on race day, right, so training 804 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose, right, you can beat me on you 805 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: know the guy who used to race me every you know, 806 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: local race. And I'm like, listen, we're both going to 807 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: do the same race, and you're leaving it all in 808 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: the training and you know, so, um, there's a method 809 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: to the madness. We need like five hours, but I'm 810 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: going to have you act Sabrina. Tell people about your podcast. Yeah, 811 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: so we do a podcast for a certified professionals and 812 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: it's on our app. So unfortunately it's it's not going 813 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: to be available to people who aren't a certified because 814 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: the app itself is downloadable and easible by our ACE pros. 815 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: But we do a podcast where we interview people much 816 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: like you do, and we just try to extract the 817 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,280 Speaker 1: best knowledge out of them to help our pros actually 818 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: be very successful in their careers. And that can mean 819 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, business advice or you know, exercise programming, health coaching, 820 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: whatever it is they're into. But we do that and 821 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: then if anyone, so if you're a professional in the 822 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: industry or if you're a consumer who really just wants 823 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: to know more about safe and effective fitness approaches. The 824 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: ACE website a spitness dot org has a wealth of 825 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,240 Speaker 1: information that's it's free of are which is available to anyone, 826 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: and we had tons of blogs, tons of videos, workout 827 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: programs for all levels. It's just a really great place 828 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: that we accumulate information for the public and honestly to 829 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: protect the public from harm. So go there. Uh and Sabrina, 830 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 1: is there still that database where certified trainers you can 831 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: seek out a certified trainer? Yeah, you there's a function 832 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 1: on a feature on the website where you can input 833 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: your city or your zip code and it will pop 834 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: up a list of trainers available in your area that 835 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: are will describe their specialties or what they're really into 836 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: in terms of whether it's health coach, group witness, personal training, 837 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,879 Speaker 1: and if they're focused on weight loss or strength or 838 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, what have you. You can search your area 839 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 1: for that. That's kind of handy. And here's how long 840 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: we've both been in the business. Yeah, it doesn't matter. 841 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, right, Sabrina. So if you want someone 842 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: one on one where you live, you go there and 843 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: you in put where you live, and you're gonna find 844 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: a trainer if they're close to you. If not, find 845 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: that specialty, especially if you're someone who has you know, 846 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: a specific thing or you know that you're dealing with 847 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: or want. Thanks to the zoom and everything, people can 848 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: work with you. I know you're probably still working with people. Yeah, 849 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: it's the only world. Yeah, it really is. So silver 850 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: lining is that I do feel like we can reach 851 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: more people now because the technology has demanded it. So 852 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: so many people ask me, Sabrina. You know, I get emails. 853 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: How do I start? I bought this piece of equipment. 854 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: I need a trainer. So here you go. You go 855 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: to the ACE website, you look for what you're looking for. 856 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: If you want him in person, as we said, him 857 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 1: or her, you can do that. You don't have to 858 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: and so start doing it the right way, form and 859 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. It has been so awesome, Sabrina. Again, like, 860 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: I want three more hours. What's your workout today? What 861 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Or what have you done? I 862 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: have walked three miles in nature. Awesome. Nothing better. I 863 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: just stop every morning, Sabrina and just like listen to 864 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: the calmness with the dogs and you know it's just 865 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: get outside people and you know, for the mental health. Sabrina, 866 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time. It's been 867 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: such a pleasure. All right, and we will be right 868 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: back after this short break and we are back. I know. 869 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: I say it every time I have a guest, every 870 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: time that I want to extend the interview, and it's 871 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: primarily because there are so few people who really know 872 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: what they're talking about. There's so few people that are passionate. 873 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: And you know what's amazing, not only passionate but educated. 874 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: I guess put both in there is passionate people you 875 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: need both need passionate, educated and then experienced. You need 876 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 1: all those things. In my opinion, yeah, it the smartest 877 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: people apologize. The smartest people will do what Sabrina did 878 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,399 Speaker 1: and say, you know, find your thing, and she understands. 879 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 1: You know, the people hammering the peloton board as do I. 880 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: I get it. And we want to be competitive and 881 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: we want to do all those things that we enjoy 882 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,959 Speaker 1: so that we do it for a lifetime that we enjoy. 883 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: It's gotta be fun, but I don't want that at 884 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: the expense of getting hurt, and so totally aligned everything 885 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: she said, But there was so I wanted to talk 886 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: to cognitive. I mean, my notes were were copious, but 887 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: the interviews that I do, and Sabrina is one of 888 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: those people who is aligned with you know, it goes 889 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: where it's gonna go. It goes where it's gonna go, 890 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: and those are the best type of interviews in my opinion, 891 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 1: and it went to places that I didn't predict or expect. 892 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: But just know that strength training has so many benefits. 893 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: I've done so many shows, will continue cognitive weight loss. 894 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: And yes, I totally agree with what Sabrina said about 895 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: just because you're doing it for looks, that's not a 896 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: bad thing. That's why most people start, and then you 897 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: realize it feels good. So I don't care why you start. 898 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: Vanity awesome. You're gonna live longer and you're gonna feel better. 899 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 1: You know. In my twenties, when I started doing push 900 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: ups herschel Walker three a day, it was to attract 901 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: the opposite sex when as a teenager, and then I've 902 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: realized it felt good, and then I realized I performed better. 903 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: Life was better in so many ways physically and mentally. 904 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,959 Speaker 1: So I'm going to continue to bring you the best 905 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: guests and all of the myriad benefits of cardiovascular exercise, 906 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,759 Speaker 1: of strength training, of eating healthy, how they're all connected, 907 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: and how you have to just continue to look for 908 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: and find what you enjoy. And as Sabrina said, you 909 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: get bored and that's okay. Then you find something out 910 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: us and you know what, that thing you didn't like 911 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: might be the thing you end up doing. So keep 912 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: trying and keep listening. All right, Thank you so much, 913 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: Thank you again to Sabrina Joe. Such a pleasure. If 914 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: you want to reach out, Tom h Fit is Instagram 915 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: and Twitter Tom h Fit questions comments, You can also 916 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: go to Fitness Disrupted dot com. Please follow the show, 917 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,840 Speaker 1: share it. I love to hear from you. Lots of 918 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,120 Speaker 1: people reaching out, so awesome, and we will have a 919 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,360 Speaker 1: listener bail Act show coming up soon with many of 920 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: your questions, all of your questions when you reach out 921 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,399 Speaker 1: and remember, people, my goal is to help you live 922 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: you your best life, and you have so much control 923 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: over that, but you have to have the right information 924 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: and you have to believe that you have control, and 925 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: you do. And when you listen to the show and 926 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: you apply all of the different things that I talk about, 927 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,439 Speaker 1: you will live your best life. Thank you again to Sabrina, Joe, 928 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for listening. I'm Tom Holland. This is 929 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: Fitness Disrupted. Believe in your so. Fitness Disrupted is a 930 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my 931 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 932 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.