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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome inside final hour tonight the Jalen Brunson Show

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Speaker 1: with My bas friend Cat, your selfish bastard? Do you

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Speaker 1: save that drop for the final hour of the show. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you only went associated with me. I had people my

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Speaker 1: timeline today saying, Hey, that drop is that Mike North?

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course it's Mike North. You selfish basket did.

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Speaker 4: Got to see him a couple of weeks ago. He

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Speaker 4: sends love to the NFL schedule guy. Oh, yes, well

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Speaker 4: different Mike North. Hey, how come the Bears are playing

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Speaker 4: too many games? At one o'clock in the.

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Speaker 3: After numbers Bears nor interviewing Mike North.

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Speaker 1: Mike.

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Speaker 3: Inception, It's like Will Smith pitching to Will Smith. You

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Speaker 3: have an affection for Big met.

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Speaker 1: Max Munsey playing against Max Munsey almost pulling all the

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Speaker 1: Mike North drops. There are plenty of them.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy.

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Speaker 1: Uh So the Knicks win over the Pacers tonight, right,

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Speaker 1: we saw this, We know this the Knicks Fours Game six,

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Speaker 1: a game that New York pulled away from the Pacers

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Speaker 1: in the second half. Pacers kind of put it away

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. We're gonna go back home and

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Speaker 1: try to win this series one eleven ninety four. But

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean we weren't done having entertaining stuff after the game.

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Speaker 1: Remember Greg Doyle, right, reporter for the Indianapolis Star, made

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Speaker 1: big headlines a year ago after his uncomfortable back and

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Speaker 1: forth with Caitlyn Clark at her introductory press conference with

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Fever. Remember she he made the heart gesture

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Speaker 1: to her because that's what Caitlyn Clark would do at games,

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Speaker 1: and she made it back and he said, do that

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Speaker 1: to me. We'll be all right. It was just really weird,

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Speaker 1: and he put out an apology, and then it was

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Speaker 1: announced he wasn't going to cover games live. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'd still right about the Fever BECU obviously they're a

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Speaker 1: really big deal. It wasn't gonna cover the games. So

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Speaker 1: a year later we have.

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Speaker 3: Another Greg Doyle story. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Really, if you want to go in the longevity, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you really want to open the books.

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Speaker 3: There's plenty of Greg Doyle moments.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, no, no, the Caitlan Clark was like

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Speaker 4: a flash point where it really got extra. No, it's

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Speaker 4: he's an antagonist, would be the kind way I think

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Speaker 1: So after the game tonight, Doyle was talking to Pascal

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Speaker 1: Siakam right, and no, look, none of the pacers starting

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Speaker 1: five played well. He was the only one in double figures.

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Speaker 1: Halliburton was bad, Nie Smith was bad, Hard was badly.

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Speaker 1: When you add Benedict Mathron, who suddenly is I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I'm this good, but all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I'm Finnie Johnson. Man, I get off the bench and

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Speaker 1: I just eat up.

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Speaker 3: In a second. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Doyle asked him, Hey, how is it to the to

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Speaker 1: the extent like, because it's gonna be hard to hear

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Speaker 1: his question, so I'm gonna paraphrase it.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The context is that, hey, how can you guys talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing like this in game five?

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Speaker 3: Like and I'm not I'm not gonna say what its insinuated.

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Speaker 1: Basically was, hey, here are the Pacers this kind of

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Speaker 1: the Knicks? And how is it possible to not play

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Speaker 1: hard enough in game five?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: That that's basically what we've done. Why we had to

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Speaker 3: And what was asking asking him? Why did you guys

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Speaker 3: suck tonight? Yeah? Yeah, say how did you you know?

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Speaker 3: How do you guys not play hard enough in game five?

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Speaker 1: And Pascal Siakam did not like that question, And here

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Speaker 3: How is that what you mean? How is it pos game?

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Speaker 3: He's other? Mind? They played harder than It's okay, we

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Speaker 3: don't get it. That happens in the game doing that's basketball.

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Speaker 3: You're good, bro. You're looking for something. I know I'm

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Speaker 3: but damn no, no, But I'm telling you though I.

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Speaker 1: Told you, what else do you want me to tell you?

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead. Who's this guy? Who's this guy?

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Speaker 2: What's your name?

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Speaker 3: Brood?

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Speaker 2: You're good?

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Speaker 3: Bro, you're good? Who is this guy? You're good? You're good.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's made all the more curious because you didn't

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Speaker 4: just walk through that door. But he's been in the market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been there a while.

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Speaker 4: I've been there a minute, and this guy's made some headlines, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean this is this is second full season deep

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Speaker 4: playoff run last year and into this like who are you?

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of games, good brood. Now again it

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Speaker 3: goes back to when we were played hard. They've played harder,

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Speaker 3: explained that you good, bro you good.

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Speaker 4: But when we were on talking about it, for me

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Speaker 4: it was the question of Halliburton, you've got a potential

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Speaker 4: closeout operation and talking about on the larger NBA scale

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Speaker 4: the flowers being thrown at the feet of SGA. Well,

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Speaker 4: Haliburton got his giant pile over there as well, right,

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Speaker 4: And today it's passivity one oh one in terms of

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Speaker 4: he's out of the game, it gets away. There's no

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Speaker 4: urgency to get him back on the court. And we've

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Speaker 4: more games to close things out. I'm still of the

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Speaker 4: you know, choke them out if you can here. But

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Speaker 4: but like for Greg Doyle, just ask the question, like,

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Speaker 4: were you guys comfortable with this just going back to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like just don't dance about it, just

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Speaker 1: Like like, that's where Look, let's break this down here,

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Speaker 1: because that's where if Greg Doyle wants to know, this

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Speaker 1: you gave in game five? Did you guys give your all?

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Speaker 1: Just got to ask that right instead of trying to

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Speaker 1: just say did you give your all in game? Did

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Speaker 1: you play as hard as you could have? In game five?

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Speaker 1: Now Siakam can say whatever he wants, Like you can

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Speaker 1: got to answer a question the right way. Sure, you

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Speaker 1: get asking something open ended is always a better way

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Speaker 1: to get a more expansive answer because if you ask

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the great I mean, Greg bet.

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Speaker 1: One of the best things ever did at ESPN was

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Speaker 3: It was genius what he would say.

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Speaker 1: He would say, like, you ask something open ended, you're

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Speaker 1: Don't ask two questions at the same time, all the

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Speaker 1: all things. And he's had these, these these instances he

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Speaker 1: would play for you and go here, listen to this interview,

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Speaker 1: listen to this and it was it was again, it

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Speaker 1: You know. But that's still a question though, you know,

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Speaker 1: I get you want to ask open ended, but if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get some from me. That's you got

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Speaker 1: to jump in and say, are you happy with how

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Speaker 3: And now?

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Speaker 1: And that's you say, okay, I can't answer right, You're

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Speaker 1: you're coming back. Are you happy with how hard you

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Speaker 1: don't think there was anything wrong with how Siakam answered,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, is every game, are the two teams both gonna.

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Speaker 3: Play equally as hard?

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Speaker 1: I think it was pretty easy to see tonight the

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see her and say, oh, Pascal Siakim

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Speaker 1: think there was anybody to tell you. Yeah, the Knicks

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Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any question that. Yeah, sometimes

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Speaker 1: the difference. Jalen Brunston was much more active defensively. The

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Speaker 1: Knicks were just more aggressive, and that caused problems for

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Speaker 1: the Pacers, right, Like, that's something where forget about your.

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Speaker 3: Effort, to say, the effort, the Knicks effort.

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Speaker 1: Defensively was something you had not seen in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and you weren't used to it. And what happened the

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Speaker 1: Knicks were able to bother you, bother Halliburton, bother everybody else,

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Speaker 1: get them, get everybody out of there, out of their

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Speaker 1: comfort zone. And the Knicks win Tonight by by nearly twenty.

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Speaker 1: Like that's something that that happens in the NBA. And

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Speaker 1: and Pascal Siakim is outso right when he say that

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Speaker 1: that's the NBA, man, it's how the NBA goes right.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes when you you get one team giving some kind

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Speaker 1: of incredibly laser focused effort. Doesn't mean the Pacers didn't

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Speaker 1: play hard, but the Knicks played harder. Like he said,

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Speaker 1: everything that you could see in this game. Now at

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Speaker 1: the end, did the did the Pacers pull back? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when Carlisles got Halliburton on the bench from the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter and he puts them back out

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Speaker 1: with seven minutes, pulls him out with about three and

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Speaker 1: a half minutes off. Yeah, of course, you know, all right,

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Speaker 1: we're we're checking out a bit now. But any everything

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Speaker 1: that Pascal Siakim said, it was, it was just normal

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Speaker 1: NBA stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're good.

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Speaker 3: You're good, brother, That is my favorite value. You get

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Speaker 3: you good. Look, you're good. But it's like he's dancing

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Speaker 3: around what he wants to ask, right.

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Speaker 1: And because it's a clown, Mike, No, but that's but

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Speaker 1: the the agent provocateurs question for us.

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Speaker 3: Well, but that's just it.

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Speaker 4: He's poking around seeing if he can frustrate Siakam to

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Speaker 3: Your selfish bastard.

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Speaker 5: Knew it.

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Speaker 3: For all you know.

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Speaker 1: I could just I can have seen you at home

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Speaker 3: I guess I should dress up. I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: You're good bro. Oh, Well, more on this, but coming

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Speaker 1: If you like more teams and playoffs, do we have

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Speaker 3: That's next Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

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Speaker 2: Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven

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Speaker 3: You good bro, You're good bro. I'm hanging out by

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Speaker 3: Who is this guy? You're good bro.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that all weekend like tomorrow said, I'm

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Speaker 3: You good bro. See that elevates him to a next

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Speaker 1: So we'll have more NBA coming up in a bit,

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Speaker 3: It's probably better. You know, stave also a vertical wooden

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Speaker 3: Wow, you just baked pie. There we go.

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Speaker 1: So how about a story that's gonna make everybody happy? Oh,

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Speaker 3: About having fun and bringing people together. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: It looks like the last couple of days we are

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Speaker 3: Is it aggressive expansion? I think any expansion is aggressive.

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Speaker 1: This is like getting all the way to the West

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Speaker 3: So we'll deal with basketball first.

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Speaker 1: The NCAA Tournament. This according to NCAA president Charlie Baker,

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, right, Yeah, And what you're gonna see in

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like, hey, we're kind of halfway done.

439
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Speaker 1: So we have the first four games on Tuesday and Wednesday,

440
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 1: we have two eleven seeds meeting and a two sixteen

441
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 1: seeds meeting, and it's like, okay, it feels like it's

442
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,920
Speaker 1: an idea that's kind of halfway done. Now you add

443
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 1: you get to seventy two, seventy six teams. All of

444
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, those two nights of Tuesday and Wednesday are

445
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament nights, right, because you look at what like

446
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament Thursday and Friday. Yeah, the games start

447
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 1: at noon, go to midnight. The last four games in

448
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 1: the primetime window. There's four or five games on in

449
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: that window, like the end of one and then the

450
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 1: last four games. You are extending the ownership that the

451
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Speaker 1: NCAA tournament has that week.

452
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Speaker 3: To sixty You're owning the whole week.

453
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Speaker 1: Selection Sunday, you're off on Monday, everybody's filling out their

454
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: brackets and talking about things, and then you are hitting

455
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: four or five games on national TV in the primetime

456
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 1: window on Tuesday, four, five, whatever. It's going to be

457
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: a few games on Wednesday in the primetime window. The

458
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 1: full days on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It is a

459
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 1: win win. Yes, it's more money, it's moreverwhere, but it

460
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: also allows you to own the week and take advantage

461
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: of the calendar. We talk about this all the time

462
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 1: with the NFL that finds a way to do it.

463
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: And this is a big thing because now it feels

464
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Speaker 1: like that first four idea that was thrown out there

465
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: as a placeholder until we get something more definitive. Now

466
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: you get it, right. I think adding four more teams

467
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: is great. Right, you have four games on Tuesday, four

468
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Speaker 1: games on Wednesday, that's great. Want to go to seventy six?

469
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Speaker 3: Why not? You know you and I both like chaos.

470
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 3: Go ahead and do that. We can do it.

471
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Speaker 1: But getting to seventy two, okay, great, get to seventy

472
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: two four games Tuesday, four games went awesome, That works

473
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Speaker 1: out great. So from that perspective is the first one,

474
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Speaker 1: in addition to the money, why this makes sense and

475
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Speaker 1: why it will absolutely happen.

476
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

477
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 4: Also the expansion of your territory, as you mentioned right

478
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 4: the NFL, Hey, we're gonna invade the holiday.

479
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: We're gonna do this and keep moving.

480
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: Here's more international games and bringing in more partners and

481
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 4: streaming partners, because that's what this also allows, right, expanding

482
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 4: the proverbial pie. In a time where a lot of

483
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 4: universities are looking for where there are moneies to offset

484
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 4: the expanding costs of their programs. Maybe you changed conferences

485
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 4: and realize, wow, the travel parties and all of this,

486
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 4: that we didn't budget this appropriately, so we need to

487
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 4: reach into the pockets. Well, these give you a little

488
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: bigger pie to it and to offset some of those things.

489
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Speaker 4: But also just the fact that for college basketball we've

490
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: had for a long while. If you're a diehard, you're

491
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 4: watching your conference. Maybe you're watching college basketball as a

492
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 4: whole in the standalone primetime windows, but for the most part,

493
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 4: you're dialed in with what your conference is doing top

494
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 4: to bottom. For me, I could talk a lot deeper

495
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 4: about the Big Ten than I can every other conference

496
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 4: except for the heavyweights that we watched regularly. Right the

497
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 4: top twenty teams. We see enough to where, all right,

498
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: you feel some sense of ownership. But in this case,

499
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: it's now the all right, there's an extra set of

500
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Speaker 4: games that extra week, as well as the back end

501
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 4: of conference play into the conference tournaments that now take

502
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 4: on a whole other level of meaning, because that's when

503
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 4: we start getting eyeballs when things matter, when it's cut

504
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: and run kind of time in making the tournament bids,

505
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 4: but also conference tournaments. And we know what the advent

506
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: of online gambling everywhere virtually everywhere anyway, that there's more

507
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: eyeballs and attention there. So again money being a lot

508
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 4: of it, but also just the health of your sport,

509
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 4: your product. The more teams that are involved, guess what,

510
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: those become more viable places to transfer to because there's eyeballs, right,

511
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 4: you're going to be seen. The old thing that the

512
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 4: lamentation at lower levels of sports as well, if I'm

513
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Speaker 4: not playing here, here or here, how am I going

514
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 4: to get seen? Well, the more teams that can make

515
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 4: it into the tournament, some of those schools now get

516
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 4: a little bit more run and probably the increases in

517
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: attendance in the applications which have hefty fees. Again talking

518
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 4: about building out your revenue, but just those eyeballs help

519
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: to really build the game, grow the game, and get

520
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 4: more players opportunity to go be stars as opposed to.

521
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 3: Languishing on a bench somewhere. So look, so that gets it.

522
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Speaker 1: The other part is this, and this gets into a

523
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: little bit of the college football, but the other part

524
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Speaker 1: is is why is everybody going to greet to this

525
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: expansion because this will get more Power conference teams into

526
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Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament. I've already told you too many mid

527
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Speaker 1: major teams get in, right, that's been a huge run

528
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: over the last fifteen years. You know, Butler makes the

529
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: back to back National Championion games and sevieants. We gotta

530
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Speaker 1: let the mid majors in.

531
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Speaker 3: Ah, you don't.

532
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Speaker 1: They don't play the same type of schedule as the

533
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Speaker 1: Power five conferences do.

534
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Speaker 3: I don't think you need to.

535
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Speaker 1: But no, no, we're letting the mid majors in and

536
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Speaker 1: that's not going anywhere, right as long as they as

537
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Speaker 1: long as they show they win games.

538
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: All right.

539
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: Now, maybe we're gonna see a little bit of movement

540
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: because of nil and players are able to leave a

541
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Speaker 1: little bit easier to go from a stepping stone from

542
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Speaker 1: mid major to a Power five. But these berths are

543
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Speaker 1: going to go to Power five conferences. There we don't

544
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Speaker 1: talk about the snubs being boy, how does monmuth not

545
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: get in?

546
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: You know?

547
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: How does that? It's the if I tried you vetoed

548
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: that whole second.

549
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: It's the big Power five conferences that get the snubs,

550
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: and they're gonna want more in so yes, of course,

551
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: the Big ten's gonna say we could potentially get another

552
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: team in the SEC. The AC gonna say the same thing. Yeah,

553
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: we're all for this because we could get more teams in.

554
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: So that's why that's absolutely going to happen. You're gonna

555
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: have everybody on board.

556
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Speaker 4: The power brokers obviously, anywhere they can get a bigger share,

557
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 4: a bigger opportunity because in some cases, let's face it,

558
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 4: these six or seventh team in those conferences that aren't

559
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: earning automatic bids or or really don't find themselves even

560
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: worrying about the quote unquote bubble are still gonna be

561
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 4: better most times than those teams others on the fringe.

562
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Speaker 4: And yeah, mid majors just takes such a terrible connotation

563
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: to it, doesn't it. And no matter what you do,

564
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 4: that's never going away because you still have to classify,

565
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: so replace it with another term, it's still the same thing.

566
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 4: But for the Big ten at SEC, yeah, it's all

567
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: about flexing. Yeah right, it's like, all right, we'll play

568
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 4: by your rules, but here's that we need a little

569
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 4: extra skin in the game.

570
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: Now for college football, we're also going to get expansion

571
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: because now the different commissioners have talked about how much

572
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Speaker 1: support there is for a five plus eleven expansion or

573
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: a five plus eleven college football playoff, meaning the five

574
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: conference champions get in and eleven at large teams get in.

575
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Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of talk the last couple

576
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: of days. You heard the SEC and the Big Ten

577
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: want more teams in. We should have more teams in.

578
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: All this crazy ass stuff. I'm sick of them saying

579
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: we're better than everybody else, but this five and all.

580
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: Are they wrong?

581
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: No, they're not wrong, But okay, you still need all

582
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: of college football.

583
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they also bring not only are the teams

584
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 4: generally better, I mean that they're bringing the eyeballs in

585
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: the revenue. Yeah, but I'm much trickles down to the.

586
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that you know, if Florida State or

587
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: Miami are going deep in playoffs, people are watching it.

588
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of lawsuit.

589
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: I think that's no. No, they're staying now. They think

590
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: they settled that. But but this is this is what's

591
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: getting the attention. Obviously, the SEC and the Big Ten

592
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: want more guaranteed spots. This might be a way to say, well, hey, look, obviously,

593
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: if we're letting sixteen teams in. You have good teams,

594
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: they're going to get in. I have no doubt, and

595
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: I know that they're worried that, Hey, we got to

596
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: get to settle the next few months, Like we really need

597
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: more than a phone call. Right, It's like in the

598
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: office when they got everybody on that big phone call.

599
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: We couldn't do this all with an email. We got

600
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: to get everybody together. Bob Vance has got uh that's

601
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of obscure reference, but I know it's good works.

602
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: So yes, the five and eleven is going to happen,

603
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: And yes it's gonna happen because it's more money, it's

604
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: more revenue, it's more everything.

605
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: It's more that.

606
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Speaker 1: But the other reason outside of the money is this

607
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: college football the last ten or fifteen years had become

608
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: really regionalized. And this is why we got a playoff

609
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: because the way the popularity of college football's move is

610
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: kind of splintered off where the national landscape wasn't where

611
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: it was because well, only two teams are making it

612
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: to the championship at the end, right, that's it. Out

613
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty teams, only two teams are.

614
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: Then it was only four teams are making it out

615
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: of all of these teams. And as time has gone

616
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: on in sports, we have evolved as a country to

617
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: more teams in the playoffs. It's more interesting and there's

618
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: more relevance and more attention spent nationwide, which is how

619
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: you're going to grow your audience. When college football got

620
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: really regionalized, it was not good for the sport.

621
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Speaker 3: You needed the.

622
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Speaker 1: Big usc is the dominant team. In the early two thousands,

623
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Speaker 1: that went away. Yeah, Alabama was kind of, but the

624
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: last few years, no, it's not been there. Adding teams

625
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: and getting the sixteen. Now, suddenly every team team across

626
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: the country in a in a big conference can say,

627
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: if we have a good team this year, we could

628
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: be a top twenty. Every team comes into the year

629
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: going if things fall right, we can be a top

630
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: twenty ish team and maybe we make the playoffs. You

631
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: are suddenly putting it on the table for the vast

632
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: majority of every power conference in college football to say

633
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: we can make it there, every team and that if

634
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: we have a big year. You know, if Iowa State

635
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: has a year where they have big recruits and win

636
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: the game, they can potentially be we could be a

637
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: top sixteen team in college football, we can get there. Look,

638
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: if it was sixteen teams, Syracuse would have been last

639
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: year and I would have never thought that could happen.

640
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: That could happen. Everybody across the country now is interested

641
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: and and and can can make it to the playoffs

642
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: with the sixteen team playoff. And this now makes it

643
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: more of a national sport because you are now looking

644
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: at the at the rankings like you're looking at standings.

645
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: Right if I'm watching Syracuse and West Virginia in a game,

646
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: or Syracuse and Pittsburgh or syracusean Clemson.

647
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: Boy, we win this game.

648
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: We only have two losses that wash in an Oregon game,

649
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: they each have too that Oregon's got one loss, Washington's

650
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: got too. I want Oregon to win, because Washington would

651
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: have three losses. We'd move ahead of them. We get

652
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: in the top sixteen, all of a sudden, you are

653
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: watching it like you're watching standings in baseball or football

654
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: or basketball. It's that big a deal. You need to

655
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: have that national presence, and the more teams in the playoffs,

656
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Speaker 1: it's more of a national presences across the board for

657
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: college football. Of course, that's gonna happen.

658
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: That follows.

659
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: I mean, we've watched it from all other sports that

660
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: have expanded their playoffs, adding extra wildcards. The final month

661
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: of the season, you're still potentially playing for something. You

662
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 4: still have a bunch of cities that are competing and

663
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Speaker 4: fan bases, the schools, the conferences. Hey, that might be

664
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Speaker 4: one more bid. I like the other wrinkle that's been

665
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: floated out there, and it's been out in the press.

666
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: We've talked about it a little bit.

667
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: Was the idea that all right, if your first or

668
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: second in one of the big boy conferences, that maybe

669
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Speaker 4: you have a mini tournament that determine you know who's next.

670
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the big thing, which is because the sticky part,

671
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: the sticky wicket is going to be how do you

672
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: deal with a team that and we talked about this

673
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: when when last year because could see where it was

674
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: at when they selected the teams, is how do you

675
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: deal with a team that makes its conference championship game

676
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: but loses. And this is a team that has two

677
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: losses going in. Not a team that, hey, we're in

678
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: the conference is really bad and we're six and four

679
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: and won the conference. No, but a two loss team

680
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: that makes to its conference championship game and they lose, Right,

681
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: how do you reconcile that with a two loss team

682
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: that didn't make its conference championship game. So I'm a

683
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: big fan of I think what's gonna happen. And look,

684
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: the rankings will kind of suss this out that if

685
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Speaker 1: you're good enough to make your conference championship, you'll be

686
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: a top sixteen ish team. But like, I almost think

687
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: that they have to guarantee that if you make it

688
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: to your conference championship game, you're guaranteed to get into

689
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: the College Football playoffs and the and it doesn't matter saying, well,

690
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: you're rewarding both teams. No, but if you win that game,

691
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: you're a top seed and potentially you have a home game,

692
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: Like there's still a lot to play for by winning

693
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that game.

694
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: Well, but I again going to the you know buys

695
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: and the top four you know rankings and everything else,

696
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: making sure you're not gonna get potentially screwed out of

697
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: one of those spots that you don't play it at all.

698
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: And now you've got, you know, for the sec in

699
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: Big ten floated about three through six, okay, maybe six

700
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: plays all the way through and can win but one

701
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: and two are safe and secure up in there, you know,

702
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: nestled in their top five rankings wherever those may be,

703
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: and are not in harm's way. So lots of different

704
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 4: ways to play this, lot of politicking and money h

705
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: still to suss out in this, but it's a fun

706
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: conversation to see where the next iteration of college sports goes.

707
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Speaker 1: And the bottom up, we're getting more teams. Absolutely, they're

708
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: not gonna not do it right. They're now, they'll cap

709
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: it after a little while, they'll cut but we're gonna

710
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: get more teams, and we'll we'll sit it seventy two

711
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: teams in the NCAA tournament for a few or seventy

712
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: six for a few years. They're never gonna cut it back,

713
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: so no more about that. So we'll sit at seventy

714
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: two or seventy six for a few years. We'll sit

715
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Speaker 1: at sixteen for a few years, because I can't really

716
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: see the argument go, well, we're at sixteen.

717
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: Let's go now.

718
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Sixteen is good, six to sixteen is good. We'll sit

719
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: there for until college football changes, until the big ten

720
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: in the SEC go. We're gonna have our own playoff

721
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: and our own premier league, and then you guys get

722
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: off acc in Big twelve. You can all sweat it out.

723
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 5: Man.

724
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: We don't care about that Champions League. Yeah, let's good.

725
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: So they call the Champions League is the second best league.

726
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't make sense, Like why would't the Champions

727
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: League be the best league? I don't stand So, no matter.

728
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: We all win, we all. I just groomed you a fact, Syracuse.

729
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 3: They're getting demoted.

730
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Speaker 1: No, no, stop, dude, for the I mean, I can't

731
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: believe that we could have gotten in last year.

732
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Speaker 3: You're out in oh.

733
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Mand Rex, and they just keep spending money, keep going up,

734
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: just keep spending up the town.

735
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: Hashtag up the town. Coming up next.

736
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Speaker 1: Final thoughts on Game five of the Eastern Conference Finals,

737
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Speaker 1: and I will ask a very big question because I

738
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: wonder sometimes if I'm a bad Knicks fan.

739
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: Something that came up tonight makes me think you are.

740
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: I think I'm a bad Knicks fan.

741
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: That's that's Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

742
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: You good, bro.

743
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

744
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

745
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: pm Pacific.

746
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio.

747
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Speaker 1: The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike harmon.

748
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: So I gotta ask you that Nix win tonight. Yeah,

749
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: and I thought they would come up with a big

750
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: effort because this is this is who they are, It's

751
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: in their DNA, this is this is the team there.

752
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: They're not gonna quit, They're not gonna timberwolve their way through.

753
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: Part of a champion.

754
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: But I got it because the reasons I was happy for.

755
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: They won, because yes, okay, now anything can happen.

756
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: You know that. Jason's like all night, we seem like

757
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: you're happy.

758
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Yes, of course I'm happy, but I'm not crazy Game

759
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: one happy because Okay, they bought themselves another couple of days. Right,

760
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: what do they do winning Game three? They bought themselves

761
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: two more days. What do they do tonight? They bought

762
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: themselves two more days?

763
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: Right? Game six?

764
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I'll be much more crazed on Monday if we come

765
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: on the air, we're playing Game seven.

766
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

767
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: We should go back and grab video from the Game one,

768
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 4: release it as a short film.

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00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm still coming back. I was broken, man, not bad.

770
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: I watched I watched your soul, your body, It circled

771
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: a little bit and said the hell with this? And

772
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: when you're broken, heat some times, like one of those

773
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: people in one of those bad like ski accidents and

774
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: like I broke, like, you know, three bones in my

775
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: leg and my arm and my this.

776
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, I need some time Manta. I

777
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 3: was thinking he needed taking time to hear. But so

778
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: it's really bad. So I wanted so the nixt tonight.

779
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: I wanted them to to win, obviously, because you know,

780
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: wanted to see him win, want to see maybe they

781
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: can pull this out. But one of the other reason

782
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: this makes me think I'm a bad Knicks fan is

783
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: that is that one of the main reasons I wanted

784
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: them to win was because, Okay, they win tonight. Game

785
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: six is Saturday. If the Knicks lose to the Pacers

786
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: on Saturday, you and I are not on the air

787
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: again until Monday night.

788
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: Oh I'm on Sunday morning, so I can call you. Yeah,

789
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: I cannot answer my phone. You would you and I?

790
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: No, you and I are not on the air together

791
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: until seven o'clock Monday night. I don't need to be

792
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: on the until seven o'clock. By that time, we're onto

793
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: all other new things and this is over. We're previewing

794
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: the finals, the Pacers and the thunder and all that

795
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: were like, I don't have to deal with the Knicks, like,

796
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: because it's so much time between Saturday, the news cycle

797
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: will have turned over twice and I could just say, Okay,

798
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: we're fresh on Monday. Don't got to worry about stuff anymore.

799
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: We're done, don't have to talk about it. Am I

800
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: a bad Knicks fan for for saying okay, now, I

801
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: feel like they've they they've done that for me, very selfish,

802
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: but I feel like they've done that for your selfish bastard.

803
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

804
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm kind of hoping though, we get the

805
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 4: we get to live and die with you on Monday night.

806
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: The oh no, no, no, I want to see that too.

807
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: I want to see that. Nobody wants to No, no, come on, man,

808
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: you don't want to see you want to see me

809
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: the whole time playing in the background. I will be

810
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: able to put two words together.

811
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: It's like, all right, I'm down exactly. We'd be asking

812
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: that question a lot. I think I'm.

813
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: Not not great, Bob not great. He's all right, but

814
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I'm being selfish with that. But

815
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: in the end, I'm okay with being selfish, Like, Okay,

816
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: what They've done is they've allowed me to not have

817
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: to worry about it. I don't have to be on Twitter.

818
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything. I can just say

819
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon, Saturday night, Okay, I'm good man, I'll see.

820
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: You Monday night and we're talking about other things. No,

821
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: we'll get it. We're good. That won't be the case.

822
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: So waiting on Twitter's in activity for you on the weekend.

823
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: No know what I'm saying is I don't have to

824
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: worry about you.

825
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: No, Like you know, at night here I tweet, we're

826
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: on the air and I tweet our takes out.

827
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: I want to talk about that. We were talking about

828
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: the weekend.

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00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Monday, I mean think about we can do

830
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: full segments just reading tweets.

831
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Speaker 5: You're out here, like uh, secretary scheduled you for like

832
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 5: meetings all day.

833
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: I got at nine o'clock on Saturday morning, I got

834
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: a twelve thirty. I tellt you got to cancel all that,

835
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not doing it, not having it.

836
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 3: No, you're just gonna go in down.

837
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: I can just unplug for that thirty six ish atasy,

838
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: So almost forty eight hours from what could be the

839
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: end of the next season until we have to come.

840
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: Out and talk. How do we not live stream that?

841
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 3: Though I could go that'll be so good.

842
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: I go zero dark twenty because if we could do it,

843
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you could just curse, you could just let you.

844
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: Know, let it all fly. Nah No, I got to disappear.

845
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm man six, I'm done, and I could really just

846
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: try to put that ridiculous game one thing behind me.

847
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: Because you can put Timberland boots on.

848
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Here's here's because here's the thing about me when I

849
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: mean I'm broken, right called Kylie.

850
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 3: The number.

851
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: Teams said fourteen hundred wins and no lawsuit. We thought

852
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: about it up by nine with fifty one seconds left.

853
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: Ear Yeah, since the NBA started counting in nineteen nine,

854
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: one of the greatest stats of all time, teams at

855
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred and fourteen wins and zero losses until the

856
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: knixt game won. Right, here's how that bad. I thought

857
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: about how much worse that is. It's it would be

858
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: worse if they could count everything. Because you say, okay,

859
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: well only goes back to nineteen ninety five. Remember ninety

860
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: five and before nobody hit three pointers like they do now,

861
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: that's srure. Nobody hit three or four threes in the

862
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: final minute of games like they do now, so that

863
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: would have made comebacks even more difficult. Then you get

864
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: to even before that, what do you have? No three pointers?

865
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: Fair? So you're going all the way back to the

866
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: beginning of the NBA.

867
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Speaker 1: Where do you think any team's ever come back from

868
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: down nine with fifty seconds left? No, it's a five

869
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: possession game at that point. I guarantee, I would almost

870
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: guarantee you teams are whatever the final number is.

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Speaker 3: And oh until game one against the Pacers. Well, and

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Speaker 3: also just.

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Speaker 1: Five thousand and oh, ten thousand and oh, I had

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Speaker 1: ten years with it. There was no shot clock. Again,

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Speaker 1: go back to when Naismith came and says, hey, guess what,

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Speaker 1: let's have basketball. Let's let's cut out the bottoms of

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Speaker 1: the peach baskets so the ball comes down and get

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Speaker 1: it easier.

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Speaker 5: You're on borrowed time Smith, And oh, look at most

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Speaker 5: of his mind until game one.

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Speaker 1: That's what I had to get a brow that said, no,

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Speaker 1: not great, Bob, No, no, we won tonight. So it's okay,

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Speaker 1: hiks for the Wings. You're welcome from my comp Jason

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Speaker 1: coming up next to my buddy Ben Mallard. This is

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Speaker 1: Fox Next YO yoursel