1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Novel. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: This show contains adult material, references to drugs and swearing. 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 3: You have been warned, Like, can I just say I 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 3: love when people talking about going to sex, praide and stuff. 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: I'm so interested, But like, I can't even go to 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: a buffet where there's loads of people because I'm like, 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: oh fuck, jooms. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Had around me. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 4: I'm a savage. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Are you bored of modern dating? 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: Meeting the same people from the same apps in the 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: same bar You've only chosen because it's close to your 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: house and you can make your usual quick getaway. It's 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: time to change the narrative on how we find love. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: It's time to start looking for love in all the 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: wrong places. I'm going on a wild dating adventure, only 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: picking people who are the total opposite of my type. 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: And after twenty eight of these dates in two months. 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: Will I find that special someone? 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: Or well, this experiment proved that I should just give 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 2: up on dating altogether. 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: It's time to find out. 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later. 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: Hi, Roz, how are you doing a little bit tired? 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm hoping to get a lot of energy. Neil, 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: listen to your next date. 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: You will get energy from this date. 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 4: I'm great to have a question. Hey do you meet 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: this guy? 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: We like we'd followed each other on Instagram and then 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: I'd seen that he'd been in like a life changing 32 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: accident that had sort of sort of changed the trajectory 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: of like what he've been doing. And he has this 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: French bulldog called the Duchess, which is like all over 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: his Instagram, and I've sort of found him quite fascinating. 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: I sent him his profile to one of my friends 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: and he was like, this is just going to be 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: a joke's date, Like he looks like a lot of farms. 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: So we went to this pub in Camden and. 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: His dog, the Duchess, I must say there before she 41 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: was the Duchess and Eddie, my dog, like got on 42 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: so well in this pub. And the dogs were pissing 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: everyone off because they were just like like your dogs, 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 2: like playing everywhere, like knocking people's drinks over, like we 45 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: just letting them off the lead and they were just 46 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: like running around the pub playing. So everybody was really 47 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: pissed off. But I did love straight away that he 48 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: had a dog. 49 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so happy to having nice. 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 5: Time Duchess, Ducheit's come here please. Yeah, I sound like 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 5: a madman taking around for a wolf. 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: I kind of got used to. She walked to hill. 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 5: And she's fine, and it's got really impressive when they do. 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: Then another dog comes along, which is fair enough. 55 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 5: I'm like that be ye. 56 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: Running across the. 57 00:02:51,720 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 5: Field for God's sake. Oh, she's just a little up 58 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 5: on the floor, beautiful contemplating. Do I do I clean 59 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 5: it up? 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: Now? Wait for her to eat it. She might eat 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: it having my dog eat it. 62 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: No, no, no, absolutely not no, that would be really bad. 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry, his laugh, his laugh. 64 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 4: And also, what do you see he sounds quite old. 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: He was, he was older, he was like in his forties. Yeah, 66 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: he had two kids. 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And I love how the dog got sick 68 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: and he's like, should I clean it up? 69 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, dude, you're in the dog and pop Rose. 70 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: The dog was so sick like it was a lot 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: of sick. I was a lot of sick. 72 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: Like the Doges and Eddie had been playing for ages 73 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: and then the dog throws off, and I like picked 74 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: Eddie up. So I'm not laying because you know what, 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 2: dogs like, they're sick here. So I was like, absolutely 76 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: fucking not and then the dog ate the sick Well 77 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: least he didn't have to clean it up. 78 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: That's true. 79 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: That's true, So make me likewise sick thinking about it. 80 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: I know, a green flag for you is someone who 81 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: has a dog and who loves their dog as much 82 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: as you love Eddie. So I think them all together. 83 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: I met a girl yesterday. 84 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: I was on the tube and I met this girl 85 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: and she had a dog with her and I had 86 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: Eddie and we got talking and I was like, oh, 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: like your dog, like she had a Red Setter and 88 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: she was like, well, like this is actually my boyfriend's dog. 89 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: I've got an alsatian. I was like, oh my god, 90 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: you've both got massive dogs, Like that's man. And she 91 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: was like, well, we actually met on a dog walk, 92 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: like we were both walking our dogs, and then their 93 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: dogs started playing and that's how they met. And now 94 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: they've been together for two years. And I was like, 95 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: why the fuck has something what happened to me? All 96 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: I do when I go on dog walks is get 97 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: into fights with middle aged men. 98 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: So you went on a date with this guy because 99 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: you're really intrigued about his life changing story, So like, 100 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: I want to know what happened, like what, like. 101 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so I think we should just play the clip 102 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: where he talks about it. 103 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: It's quite a long story though. 104 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 5: So I had a big accidents year. 105 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: Oh no, cut long story short. 106 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 5: Came home and I was like fucking raw, and I 107 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 5: went and took a swig of bottle of water that 108 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 5: I thought was what It wasn't war, it was GHP, 109 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 5: and well he put me over for twelve hours. 110 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Did you have a whole swig? 111 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 5: Yes, thirty forty meals of it where it's usually people 112 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 5: do like one. 113 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: Minute at the time. 114 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 5: Twelve hours later at five in the morning, Saturday morning, 115 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 5: wake up? Can wear my phone out? 116 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: Safe? 117 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 5: Used the jibs, fucked my head, basically crawled down in 118 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 5: the street to get help, and no one was stopped. 119 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: They thought I was a whino. 120 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: So I was dressed like this and I was like, 121 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: I need help. 122 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 5: I was like, call me an ambulance like that. 123 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: Genuinely, no, that's mad. 124 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine a world in which someone's saying, can 125 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: you call me an ambulance? 126 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: I would have liked me an ambulance. 127 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 5: And I'm shouting across the road at people as well, 128 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 5: because I could walk my leg didn't work, got help. 129 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 5: Eventually got to the hospital. I was like, can you 130 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 5: help me? I think I'm fucking dying. And this older 131 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 5: guy coming and he was like, oh, just add his coffee, 132 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, first job of the day. 133 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 5: He was like, unless I operate on you in the 134 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 5: next couple of hours, you won't make it. 135 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: That was the life changing moment. 136 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 4: We were right, so I need you. 137 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: So basically to GB, Jeeves is what it's like known 138 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: like recreationally, but it's a version of ruth Lynn, like 139 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: that ruth Lyn, not what's. 140 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Rufie's Rufie's at the date rape plug. Yeah, yeah, that's 141 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: what Jeeves is. 142 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: Jesus is the state rope drug or people take it 143 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: like how people take value and like people take it 144 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: as a drug like a recreational drug. 145 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 4: Okay, okay. 146 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: I was like, our great's red flag, he's got red 147 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: free read like knowing. 148 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: The hangover, Like that's what they take, like in the hangover, 149 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: and then that's why they they all give themselves state 150 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: raped drug and then they go about have this crazy 151 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: night fall asleep, don't remember any of it. So people 152 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: like I used to live with someone who took jeeves like, 153 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: it's like, it's not just a date rape, it's like 154 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: a drug. It's like, you know, not like acid, but 155 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: like people like taking it. He obviously had it in 156 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: a bottle, in every bottle, and he's gone into his 157 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: fridge in the middle of the night, thirsty, taking a 158 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: massive swig of it. Then date raped himself to the nines, 159 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: passed out, basically paralyzed one of his legs, woken up 160 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: like so much longer la. One of the things he said, 161 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: which was fucking mad, is that right before he passed out, 162 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: when he realized he drunk it, he called one of 163 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: his best friends and was like, I've just drunk this. 164 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Can you come right now? And the guy just didn't come, 165 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: so he was I was like, that's why. I was like, 166 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: are you still friends with that guy? 167 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: Like that guy like you could have died, yeah, and 168 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: he didn't come and help you, and they apparently friend 169 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: said he thought it was a joke. 170 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: Oh my god, like sorry. When he first was saying GHP, 171 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: I was like, what is that? And then you explained. 172 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: I was like, that's a red flag that he has 173 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: that in his fucking thriage pre mixed. But I didn't 174 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: realize it was like quite a. 175 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jesus, I don't think he had it today rape, 176 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: but I think he had it for fun. 177 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is crazy. 178 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mad. 179 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 4: I know obviously it's quite crazy story. 180 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: But like you see, you guys do seem to get 181 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: on like really well, like you're obviously getting into deep 182 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: conversations straight away. 183 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I feel like. 184 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: I've seen about this on his Instagram, but I wanted 185 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: to know what it was because when somebody says that 186 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: near death experience, you're like, God, it could be anything, 187 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean Like that, I feel like 188 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: any near death experience is interesting. 189 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: It's always gonna be an interesting story. But that was 190 00:07:59,640 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: the story. 191 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: I was not predicting that he'd overdosed by accident on Jeeves. 192 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: Honestly, when I first heard it, I was like, so, 193 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: I accidentally was leaving the house one day with loads 194 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: of stuff in my hands and I saw like a 195 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: breath freshening spray I have one or whatever, and I grabbed. 196 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: I just grabbed the spray and I went twice in 197 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: my mouth. I was like and I was like, spat it. 198 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, what, that's so gone off? I 199 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: looked at it and it was my dog steroid medication 200 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: I'd askedently spray into my mouth. 201 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god. 202 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: So like I ran to the sink and I started 203 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: like washing my tongue. 204 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: It's like your tongue is so absorbent, like and I 205 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 4: was like, oh. 206 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: Shit, like this stuff is so strong you literally have 207 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: to wear gloves putting it on your dog. 208 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh fuckd Like what did you fit? 209 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: What did your tongue feel like? 210 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to start foaming at the 211 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: mouth and like pass it. It's gonna be like fucking 212 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: Darwin way to die, like the worst way to die, 213 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: Like such a silly little bit. So I rang my 214 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: cousin who's a vet, and I sent her a phone 215 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: and I was like, listen, am I going to die? 216 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: And she was just like, look, it's a really strong steroid, 217 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 3: and like there's loads of other ingredients, but like none 218 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: of them are going to kill you. 219 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 4: They're not talk like wash your tongue really well. 220 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: And she was like I don't know what the side 221 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: effects will be, but like I don't think you're fine. 222 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: I slept all day. I fell asleep. I I was 223 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: so drowsy. 224 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: It was like he was like I took sleeping tablet, 225 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: I could not wake up. 226 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's mad. 227 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that shit can happen. 228 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. But I guess like, yeah, 229 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: you just have to be so careful. But you also, 230 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: is heally. 231 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: Shouldn't have GHB like hanging around now for it? No? 232 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: Is that sure? What if one of his kids came 233 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: in and drank it? 234 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: So any what did he do for work? Like what 235 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: I want to know? More? 236 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 5: So, I retrained as a day trader, always fascinated by 237 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 5: the whole Wolf for Wolf Street, right okay, And I 238 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 5: was like, I'm a wanker. I know I can't be 239 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 5: a wanker, so let's just yea yeah, So I retrained him. 240 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: There we which was mixed success, and for the last 241 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 5: six months now, I've got very big on the weird 242 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 5: in FLGBTQ scene. So I was dating a trans girl 243 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 5: for a long while. 244 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm still very good. 245 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 5: Friends with us to work with her, and she gave 246 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 5: me some jobs kind of like help me with my marketing, 247 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 5: help me with my social amplification, help me kind of 248 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 5: get more audiences. I just gave you a little bit 249 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 5: of advice, and then after the accident, she was like, 250 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 5: I still want to help you. So I'm redesigning her 251 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 5: club underneath. So we're going to rebrand it. We're going 252 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 5: to bring it out as a velvet speakeasy time rebuilding carpet. 253 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 5: Oh god, you're not going to miss it. 254 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: There. 255 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 5: Dogs are going to be there. The dog is loved 256 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 5: by everyone in there. And you can imagine like straight 257 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 5: guy identifies straight slash kind of sections if you want 258 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: to get into the midst of it. But straight guy 259 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 5: with fucking dog. 260 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they are literally isn't he a bit of 261 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: a ledger? 262 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do really like the guy, like he's he's 263 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 3: an ast legend. What's going and sexual? 264 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? I actually asked him because I had no idea. 265 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: I've never heard that phrase guy sexual, minosexualosexual sexual. 266 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 5: I think it must be from Latin of going. 267 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 268 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 5: But yeah, it's essentially attraction to the female form. So 269 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 5: I'm attracted to the boobs, the bar, everything, the fires, 270 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 5: everything about women. I'm attracted to regardless of what. 271 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: The fuck is between the legs. 272 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 5: Okay, a connection with you, you could have a cop Yeah, 273 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 5: I don't care. 274 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: I lock it up. I'm gonna do whatever with it. 275 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 5: He's like, I'm more attracted to you as a person 276 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 5: than you as a physical being. 277 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: Well physical being, yeah, yeah, because that is. 278 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 5: What instinctively gives you. I discovered that I told everyone, 279 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 5: and I went public with everything, and like all my 280 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 5: mates know about me being into trans all all my 281 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 5: friends kind of found out and it was a very 282 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 5: macho kind of barbecue setting, and I was like, I'm 283 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 5: not gonna lie anymore. 284 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna learning more. 285 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,119 Speaker 5: About in the thing, and so I just become brutally 286 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 5: honest about everything. 287 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: To the poor. 288 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: How did that feel? I love him. 289 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: He's such a positive because also that's so yeah, like normal, 290 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: like obviously the way he's saying it, You're like, yeah, 291 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: of course, like yeah, that's what you are. 292 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: I don't even though, like there's a cool word for 293 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 4: that guy. 294 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: I know exactically, but he obviously would have been someone. 295 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: I think he's so macho, like you've seen pictures of him, 296 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: but he's like you can hear from his voice, like 297 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 2: he's very like masculine, like quite a laddie, Like I 298 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 2: can imagine what his friends are like. And so I 299 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: love the idea of him just telling them at a 300 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: barbeca and then all being like, oh cool. 301 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: He seems I really really like him, Like he's probably 302 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 3: been one of my favorite so far, and that like 303 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: he's just really honest, seems like such a genuine person. 304 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: Obviously he's had this life changing incident, which like I 305 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: don't know what he was like before, but he seems 306 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 3: like he's just really happy in who he is and. 307 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: Never wants to hide anything about himself. 308 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And also I think it was a real like 309 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: I would have met him out and not ever thought 310 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: this was someone who would be like now working to 311 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: like redesign and open an LGBTQ plus club, Like it's bad, 312 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: like the way that I would have stereotyped him, I think. 313 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: And it's just so fun when someone completely defies all 314 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: expectations and it's just like a legend. 315 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 316 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: But we were talking about his club, and we were 317 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: talking about sex parties, and because I think he was 318 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 2: maybe saying that that's like something that they're into, and 319 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: then I was telling him about the sex party that 320 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: I went to where I famously had a terrible time. 321 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: As soon as I got there, I was like, there's 322 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: no chance now I'm going to get involved here, like 323 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: maybe in another one, but at this one, I just 324 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: knew I was. 325 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: So closed. 326 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: It was like a dungeon. Like honestly, the keys like 327 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: sometimes you need to get yourself. 328 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: In the zone. 329 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean? 330 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 5: And you're in the moment, you're kind of like there's 331 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 5: a connection there, it's all going good, and then. 332 00:13:59,080 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: You go. 333 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah and it's like fucking Nigel and he's like seventy 334 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: five years old, fucking illnoise. Yeah, I've got food in 335 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: your teeth? Jesus Christ? Is that a bid? 336 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: Or is that? 337 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 4: What is that? 338 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: Sorry? 339 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: The bit where he's like you can I join? 340 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: When I was at the freesome, yeah, there was just 341 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: like I obviously didn't get involved, but there was this 342 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: horrific moment where I was watching a freesome, like a 343 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: really good and they were like having a great time 344 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: on this bed and they just look like they're having 345 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: the best time. And then this guy comes over and 346 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: he like sits on the edge of the bed and 347 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: he's like tapping them and has to be like can 348 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: you let me in? 349 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: Can you let me in? And they're like looking at 350 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: him like fuck off. 351 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: And then they're like turning back and joining, and then 352 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: this guy's like edging in, edging it, like trying, and 353 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: it was so sick to watch this guy like beg 354 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: friend his way into a freesome. 355 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: So that's why when he said that, I was like, 356 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: that's exactly it. Like that sort of bugged me out 357 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: so much at a sex party. 358 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: Like, can I just say I love when people talking 359 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: about going to sex praise and stuff. I'm so interested, 360 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: but like I can't even go to a Buffey where 361 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: there's other people because I'm like, oh fuck jeroms' like 362 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: I like, I like, I like you to a Buffey breakfast. 363 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 4: I need to be the first one there. 364 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: Else I'm like, oh, people are pawn shit, like they're 365 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: breathing on it, like you're kidding me out. 366 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: I like just being one to one with someone. 367 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: I would find it very difficult, like not knowing someone 368 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: and not knowing yet if they've washed or but that 369 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: I am a germophobe, like in everything every sense, like 370 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: with food, with everything, like someone touched me, even someone 371 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: shaking my hand. 372 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so then you would hate a sex party. 373 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: It was disgusting. 374 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: It was disgusting. I think maybe in that case that 375 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: you could have a threesome because then you've like vetted everywhere. 376 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 377 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the point of a sex party is it's 378 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: like there is people everywhere. 379 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: There are people. I remember when I went to the 380 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: sex Fi. 381 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: I was at the bar and I was ordering a 382 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: Gin and tonic and there was a guy sat on 383 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: the barstool next to me at the bar, and then 384 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: I turned and the guy sat on the bastle has 385 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: like he's like on the edge of the bastle when 386 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: one girl's giving him head and the other girl's like 387 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: fingering his asshole at the bar next to me. 388 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh no, it's Tomasa. 389 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: I also think that I like imagine being in a 390 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: treesome and you're the one who's kind of like, who's 391 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: sony getting edged out and you're like, oh, you're okay, 392 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like that? 393 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? It's like did you watch Sex in 394 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: the City. 395 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember when Samantha's going out with that 396 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: rich guy, Dick or whatever. His name is, a really 397 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: rich guy, and then they have a threesome and the 398 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: younger girl and the threesome's pushing Samanth off the fan. 399 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: He's like pushing her out, and that's my worst time 400 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: that I'll be at a threesome and that I actually 401 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: like one of them and the other person's. 402 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: Like, exactly, gret you like being the center of attention. 403 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: I do so if I need, I need to be 404 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: the main character. Yeah, you would like that. 405 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 4: Both of them like you, but don't like you. 406 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: They hate each other. 407 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: I loved this day. I had such a good time 408 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: with him. He was just great, great vibes, like we 409 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: had great fun. And then he told me a really 410 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 2: funny story about how he's developed a technique for how 411 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: he picks up girls when he's in America. 412 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: Go to a bar. 413 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: He's kind of scope out and make sure we were noticed, 414 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 5: and they didn't know enough about us to loudly. You 415 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 5: wait for the girl that you wanted to hit on, 416 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: go to the bar, and then you quickly, following about 417 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 5: two feet to the right or left of her, go 418 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 5: order your drink really loudly, and it would get the. 419 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: Mad. It's mad. I don't want to We don't all 420 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: move there. 421 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 5: In Vegasfielder, I remember getting called out for the first 422 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 5: time about being English. So I was in this bar 423 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 5: and you know, you get the typical kind of like 424 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 5: can't hold his booze, American young, kind of like Jock, and. 425 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: He was like, your dog, your figures fuck. I was like, sorry, 426 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: excuse me, excuse me. She grugs, my uncle. 427 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 5: And it's like your figures fun way putting the big 428 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 5: exit on just you get the girl's attention. Then I 429 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 5: was like, don't be so fucking hateful just because you're not. 430 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Getting any. 431 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: That's like your man from Lovaccine. 432 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: I will say one percent. 433 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: But whenever I go to America, Roles, I'll literally go 434 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: into whole food, so I'll be like, excuse me, hello, 435 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: have you got any kombucher? 436 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: And then someone will be like, oh my god, are 437 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: you from London? Like it's mad. It's mad. Really. 438 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: When I'm in America, I am put up so much, 439 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: like I'm like, oh my god, hello, like the men 440 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: that I shag in America, the levels of like tens 441 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: out of tens versus the people I get here crazy 442 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: and it's all because of my voice. 443 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 4: I don't know does the Irish accent make I think so? 444 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: But I think the Irish accent is so adored in England. 445 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: Really, see, like the accent now I love is a 446 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: Scottish accent. If a guy comes around with a Scottish accent, 447 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck Jesus, keep talking. So with this guy, 448 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: would you see him again? Would you date him again? 449 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: I think I would see him again? Wow, I think 450 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: I would. 451 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: I liked that our dogs got on, Like dating with 452 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: the dog is really stressful because you like feel stressed 453 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: that the person is annoyed about the fact that, like 454 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: I want to take the dog see if the dog 455 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: wants to go for a whe like do you know 456 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: what I mean? Like the dog's kind of like, you know, 457 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: she's very chill, but like she's there. So I just 458 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 2: really liked that vibe. 459 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: I got on well with him. The chat was great. 460 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: He was great. 461 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: I really liked his openness and willingness to talk about 462 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: all of his life. I just thought it's so nice 463 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: when you meet someone, especially a man who's maybe a 464 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: bit more like Laddie Presenting, who's just so disarming and 465 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: not intimidated to talk about certain things. 466 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: Next time on twenty eight dates later. Okay, the deadest 467 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: clog I've ever heard of my life. Oh you sound Danish? 468 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: He did sound Danish. Bro I mean, oh, my girls, 469 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: ho's he around for. 470 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: Me, I'm a savage. 471 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: Oh my god, he can hurt it by. 472 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: Twenty eight dates later is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio. 473 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The series 474 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: is presented by me Grace Campbell with help from ros 475 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: Pursell and Dan White. The producer is Degree Way. The 476 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: executive producer is Claire Broughton. Our editors are Mythillye Raw 477 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: and Max O'Brien. 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