1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I am Rashwan McDonald, the host 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: of Money Making Conversations Masterclass, where we encourage people to 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: stop reading other people's success stories and start planning their own. 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Listen up as I interview entrepreneurs from around the country, 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: talk to celebrities and ask them how they are running 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: their companies, and speak with nod profits who are making 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: a difference in their local communities. Now sit back and 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: listen as we unlock the secrets to their success on 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald, our host 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: of weekly Money Making Conversation Masterclass show. The interviews and 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: information that this show provides are for everyone. It's time 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: to stop reading other people's success stories and start living 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: your own. I'm here to help you reach your American dream. 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: Just keep listening or watching. My guest is an entrepreneur 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: that leverages ingenuity, passion and inclusion and his business venture, 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Damon is delve into the beauty industry, acquiring existing beauty 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: businesses and transforming them. His beauty brand, Glow and Flow Beauty, 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: is reimagining the shopping experience for black and brown communities. 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: Please work with the money Making Conversations Master Class. Damon 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: Hayley big. 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: D Hey Hey, Hey, my Godshan hey Man, thanks for 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: having me. 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: Man appreciate you always. 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: Looking everybody a little backstory history. One of the incredible 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: live activation producers in Hollywood history. Now you're in the 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: beauty business. Your customer service was always fantastic in the 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: live activistion space. I'm talking about he did events for 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: me at the Playboy Mansion, he did events for me 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: in downtown Hollywood. We were talking about multi level events, 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: thousands of people are attended. But what always stood out to me, Damon, 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: was your detail. What always stood out to me was 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: your customer service. Talk about why are you transitioning to 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: the beauty business. 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: Well, one, it's a huge opportunity for us as African Americans, blacks. 35 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: It's a huge space, and it's recession proof and it's 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: not going away. And as a as a guy who 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: grew up in a family with a mother, sister, wife, daughter, 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: it really really means a lot to our community. 39 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: When we look good. 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: We feel good, when we feel good, we be good, 41 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: we do good, all of that, all of that type 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: of stuff. And so when my wife wanted to launch 43 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: more of a retail scenario. That's when I really start 44 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: looking at the industry and saying we've had the short 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: end of a stick only from recycling our black dollars, 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: but also the concept of service. I grew up in 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: an all black community like most of us did, you 48 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: and I Rishima, when when we were coming up and 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: a lot of folks we just haven't we weren't served 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: by the people who own businesses, be it a corner 51 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: liquor store or where we get our fish, our chicken, 52 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: our takeout, and so we thought it was one a 53 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: good business model to one that it was time for 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: us to seize. In three we can restore some of 55 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: the pride and some of the feeling good about shopping 56 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: in your own community. 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. The industry. You're in, the beauty industry, 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Like you're said, it's an industry that is very dominated 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: by African Americas from a sales standpoint, from a beauty 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: from an activation you know, but from a product distribution standpoint, 61 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: that's where we lack explain that that I want to 62 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: say the word of lack of participation. 63 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're buyers, I mean we're consumers. I mean, you know, 64 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: the status if we were a nation, we would be 65 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: the eighth or ninth largest nation on the planet. We 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: just don't own and so I think that once again 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: in our own communities we didn't set up shop. You know, 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: became a time you know, after I think the seventies 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: we didn't set up shop, and then obviously we had 70 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: that crack academic and all that kind of stuff. We 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: weren't able to build businesses. And this is just one 72 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: of the businesses that we support daily. If you think 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: about hair care, skincare, nail care, that's twenty four to seven, 74 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: that's three sixty five. And we don't manufacture anything. We 75 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: don't sell it, we don't whost sell it, and so 76 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: it's just been really dominated by Koreans who are on 77 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: the distribution side of it, and then the Chinese tend 78 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: to make the product, and then to a lesser degree 79 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: to Japanese people come up with great and ingenious synthetic 80 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: and chemical driven ideation that gets made by the Chinese 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: and distributed by the Koreans in our neighborhood. So we 82 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: do not participate at all in that space. But I 83 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: will say over the last couple of years, you may 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: have heard of shade Moisture selling to Unilever, Mael selling 85 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: to Procter and Gamble. Another one was Honeypot. I can't 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: remember who they sold to. But we're now solving our 87 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: own problems, developing our own product right. 88 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: Which is really important now when I'm talking to Damon 89 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: Haley Glow and Flow Beauty, he said, as he says, 90 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: go on other days of poor service, fractured relationship, and 91 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: harmful products. Dama's goal is to create a healthy environment 92 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: for women, men, girls and boys to shop, learn and 93 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: grow as their needs change. He's also launching multiple product 94 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: line and is franchising the business model. That's why this 95 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: money made conversation master class Dame franchising the business model. 96 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: What is that business model? 97 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: What we've done is we've created the playbook. We've created 98 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: the recipe on how to do this business from a 99 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: retail perspective. And you know, there's a lot of legalities 100 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: that you have to do, and we've gone through all 101 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: of that process so that I can now say, hey, 102 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: if you're interested in investing in yourself, investing in your family, 103 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: investing in your community and this industry, here's a way 104 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: to do it and will help you do it and 105 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: So that's what franchising is about for us, and I 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: do believe it's probably only two or three black owned 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: beauty supply franchises in the United States now. 108 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, I've read been an article that said one 109 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: of the great ways to get into entrepreneurship is through franchising. 110 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: Can you explain to me why it is so advantageous 111 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: to pursue a franchise opportunity versus a startup. It's just 112 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: going in and starting up your own beauty store, starting 113 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: up your own supply center. That's beauty related talk to us. 114 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't start from zero with a franchise. You 115 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: have a company or corporation behind you, and you have 116 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: this playbook that's how to and if you just follow 117 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: those instructions in the supply chain and those materials, you 118 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: should be able to win because it's a proven model 119 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: versus just going from scratch. I mean, I came up 120 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: with glow and flow. The glow is for the skin, 121 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: the flow is. 122 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: For the hair. You know. 123 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: You know, I have a history of being a marketer. 124 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: Everybody isn't a marketer. You talked about details and how 125 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: we used to do activation, you know, for me, for Nike, PEPSI, coke, 126 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: all of these entities. If you don't have that kind 127 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: of experience, you can't start from zero. I was able 128 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: to look at the finances of the beauty and say, hey, 129 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: this can work. I was able to look at someone 130 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: else's business model and say I can double it, I 131 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: can two times it, or I can increase it by 132 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: sixty six or two thirds percent, and stuff like that. 133 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: But if you don't have all of those skills or 134 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: don't have a team, franchising is not a bad scenario 135 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: because you start with support. 136 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: Now here are some four pointers that you talked about 137 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: that you do intelligently and excellently at Glow and Flow 138 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Beauty by cost effective and high demand products. When you 139 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: say that, what do you mean, Well. 140 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: You know, I've always prided myself and you know, I'm 141 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: I got degrees and all that kind of stuff. And 142 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: the corporate stuff in the suites is one place. But 143 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: I'm always with the consumer. I'm always figuring out, like you, Rashan, 144 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: what do the people want you with that you know 145 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: high demand? You know you know what they are demanding. 146 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: What that twenty year old, thirty year old, forty year 147 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: old teenage consumer wants so you always have to have that. 148 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: And then you have to be cost effecting at buying. 149 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: At buying, I buy from different sources throughout the country 150 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: and negotiate shipping so it gets to my locations. So 151 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: you have to have that kind of sensibility because I 152 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: will say, if there are some barriers, the barriers are costs. 153 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: You know that inventory. You want to make sure that 154 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: you're buying products competitivelyss versus you know target who can 155 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: can outprice you or they can create a lower price 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: because they're getting it at a lower price. So you 157 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: have to search and do that. So those are two 158 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: things you have to know. You got to know what 159 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: the consumers want because it's ever changing. You got to 160 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: make sure you're getting it at a competitive price. Right. 161 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: That competitive price is the key because you don't want 162 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: to move in. And then people because people one thing 163 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: about black people, especially when it comes to beauty, They're 164 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: gonna want to evaluate their dollar spend and then all 165 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the reputation can get out that you know, 166 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: this location is a lot higher in this location. It 167 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: might not be fair because that's not how you do business. 168 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: But you've done business over the years, and as I've 169 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: seen it. You're in the beauty industry, explain exactly the 170 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: location that you have your two locations in Los Angeles 171 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: correctly currently. Explain those locations to us before I start 172 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: asking some additional questions. 173 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So we have a location in Inglewood, California, for 174 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: those of you who might not know LA That's where 175 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: Sofi Stadium is. That's where the new Intuit Dome is, 176 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: the YouTube scenario they have so ingle And it's where 177 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: the Lakers used to play, the form all that kind 178 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: of stuff that's in Inglewood, and it's it's great in 179 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: terms of black and brown support. So that's one thing. 180 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: Even though you hear a lot of stuff going on, 181 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: Inglewood has always had a lot of black and brown 182 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: professional women and so that tends to really work well 183 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: and that has its product mix. And then our other 184 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: location is in Hawthorne that could considered considered maybe South 185 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: Bay or south of LA just slightly south of Inglewood 186 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: and south of the Sofi. It's a different community. It's 187 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: a little more laid back. It's not as accessible like 188 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 2: like you would say you're in La per Se, but 189 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: it has a different, different audience. It is still working 190 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: class of a lot of brown women, a lot of 191 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: latinas uh. And then we're not too far from the 192 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: beach communities either. So that brings about a different product offering. 193 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: It brings out. 194 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: About a different level of offering that we can give 195 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: to that consumer. 196 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Now, David Haley, Glow and Slow Beauty. You come from 197 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: a sports background. Now you're in a beauty field. A 198 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: lot of people are afraid to make transitions. A lot 199 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: of people are afraid that because people tell you you 200 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: go out there, maybe mentors or people you don't know, 201 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: or people you know. People are always willing to give 202 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: their opinions. When you made this decision of this conscious 203 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: this thought process of saying, you know something I see 204 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: an opportunity to hear, I'm gonna go in it. What 205 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: were the naysayers and how did you or did you 206 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: worry about the naysayers when you felt that Glow and 207 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: Flow Beauty was going to be an option of growth 208 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: for you, create a legacy for you and your family. 209 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, there there were some naysayers. There's still a few 210 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: out there that that that want. 211 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: To still out there now, David. Jealous people, jealous people. 212 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say, you know, there's jealous envy 213 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: and naysayers right, jealous that the haters, but there's some 214 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: that marvel at my ability to just shift, pivot, you know, 215 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: swerve whatever they're calling it these days. 216 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: But that's my nature. You know. 217 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: My background is really in finance. I know you a 218 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: math guy, right right, yep? 219 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: I know. That's that's why I love you, that's why 220 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: we connect. 221 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: So so I always tell people if you're not good 222 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: at math and numbers, when you put a dollar sign 223 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: in front of it, you're not gonna be good at 224 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: that either, you know. So, so I was a finance dude. 225 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: Then I switched to mark marketing. I launched the UH, 226 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: the marketing office for Nike because somebody saw that I 227 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: had the ability to do it, to take a big undertaking, 228 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: and so I did that. And then of course I 229 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: launched in my entrepreneurial pursuits with an agency. So I've 230 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: never been fearful of change. If I really can get 231 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: behind it, I think I'm a smart enough dude to 232 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: figure it out when I saw the people that are 233 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: doing it. Like I said, I mean no offense to 234 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: I've competed with Asians at Berkeley and at University of Michigan. 235 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: When I was getting my MBA and all of that, 236 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: and so now I'm just competing with other Koreans. You know, 237 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: to do the job better because I know us better. 238 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: I know culture better, and I know how to shape 239 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: it and put it in a business model that will win. 240 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: So I think that when I talk to people about 241 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: it like that, they kind of understand to say, okay, 242 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: because even when I was in sports, I still work 243 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: with the Michael Jordan's, the Lebrons, the Kobe's, but we 244 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: still need to deal with foot locker, which is a 245 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: house of brands. Right in the Nike House of Hoops 246 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: is a house of basketball products. So in working on 247 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: that retail scenario, I knew this was no different. This 248 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 2: is a house of brands. So I have to take 249 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: a house of brands and make it make sense. I 250 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: have to treat beauty like sport. I have to treat 251 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: looking good like competition. So all of those things I 252 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: bring to the business, and like I said, that's why 253 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: we've been able to flourish for five years. 254 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 4: Now, Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with 255 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: more money making conversations, Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money 256 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 4: Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by Rashaan McDonald. 257 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: Right, let me ask you this about breaking into a 258 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: new game. There are always things that you plan and 259 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: then there are things you go I didn't see that coming. Wow, 260 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Can you talk to my audience 261 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: about some of the hurdles of breaking into the beauty industry. 262 00:14:53,840 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a big rumor out there that Koreans and 263 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: other Asians try to lock us out. I believe that 264 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: to be true in two ways. One is it is 265 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: their business, like, even though we're consumers, it's theirs, and 266 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: so anybody that tries to threaten that, you're going to 267 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: have opposition. Two, it's just business, and whether you know, 268 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: they compete against each other and they compete harder against us, So. 269 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: The competition is a huge one. 270 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: And then two the access to information because I don't 271 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: have a mentor. I can mentor others, but I myself 272 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: didn't have a mentor per se because it's just not 273 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: a lot of us that are doing it. So those 274 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: are the big hurdles, which means you have to go 275 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: and search even more for the information. You have to research, read, etc. 276 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: To get it. 277 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: So that became a big you know when you talk 278 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: about trend and when you talk about you know, stay 279 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: on top of things, and you don't have anyone to source. 280 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: That's a huge, huge hurdle. In addition to capital, I 281 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: must say that when you are in this space, you know, 282 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: I'm in one, I'm in my Hawthorne location. But it's inventory, 283 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: it's money sitting on the shelves, it's money hanging on 284 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: the wall. So you got to make sure that you 285 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: have enough to fund the venture. And I would say 286 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: that we tend to stay stocked with inventory because I 287 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: don't want anybody to think that I can't solve their 288 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: problem when they come through the door. Others have that 289 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: luxury to go shopping every Monday after the weekend or 290 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: shop on Thursday. Now, when somebody comes in, like you 291 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: say that reputation on pricing, you know, well, since it's 292 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: not a lot of us in there, I can't do 293 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: group economics to get a lower rate. So my price 294 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: might be a little bit more. But I try to 295 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: give you other stuff, you know, I try to give 296 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: you a smile. You come in and you coughing, I'm 297 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: gonna give you some water. You know, we have pretty 298 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: bad yeah, yeah, you know, And I must admit. You know, well, 299 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: you know, my wife, the great and the fabulous Diane Valentine, 300 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: she is gonna make me super service these women because 301 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: that's what her life and destiny is about. And that's her, 302 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: the yin yang. You know, I do my thing, but 303 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 2: but she does her. So we try to create certain 304 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: fabulousness around and inexperience too. So like I said, we 305 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: we we we're in breast cancer month, so we celebrate 306 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: that because we know we we know our sisters, mom's 307 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: grandma are afflicted by that. So we do that and 308 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: others won't because it doesn't mean as much. You know, 309 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: we celebrate Black History Month, we celebrate Black Business Month, 310 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: we celebrate you know, a Hispanic Heritage month. You know, 311 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: we we sell celebrate all of that kind of stuff. 312 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: And once again, we create community where you want to 313 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 2: come because you're coming for what you're coming for, but 314 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: you're always going to get something extra. So those hurdles 315 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: I tend to circumvent with service, detail, caring, love, and consideration. 316 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: Which I appreciate. Now it's two bad headed men here 317 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: by talking about hair. Right hair, but that is such 318 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: a dominant part of your industry. Talk to us about 319 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: how that is, how what really plays into your business model? 320 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: And where do you get your hair? 321 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: Here is the cornerstone of our of our beauty industry, 322 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: to be honest, I mean that's where it starts. I 323 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: mean it starts. We have our own synthetic hairline called Sleigh. 324 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: That's Slay with three wives. 325 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: That's your own that's Glow and Flow Beauties. 326 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: It's a it's yeah, it's a separate company. Legally it's separate, 327 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: but it's us. We just we distribute Slay hair. So 328 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 2: we have our product in our own stores. And so 329 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: we we felt that. 330 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 3: That's the market that grew the most. 331 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: If you look at a bunch of women in all 332 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: the braids and the ponytails and the long hair, that's 333 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: a huge market. That became my number one seller. So 334 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: I was able to read the data of my first 335 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: Glowing Flow and say, wow, we sell a lot of 336 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: this hair. We need to sell our own, so we we. 337 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: And then that's when Diane said, hey, we got to 338 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: make it better. We got to make it the best. 339 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: And so so it is synthetic. It still is that 340 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: and we have distribution in TJ Max and Marshall's current 341 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: Thank you and then the first quarter of next year 342 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: will will more than likely be in Target and Walmart 343 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: because we are official vendors with Target in Walmart. So 344 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: hair is the cornerstone. So that's synthetic. And so when 345 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: you see a lot of ladies with the braids, that's synthetic. 346 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: Some of it's crochet where it's all the style is 347 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: already there and then you crochet it among your braids. 348 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 3: All of that. 349 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: That's huge because it's low cost. You know it's low cost. 350 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: Now when you scale a little bit and you talk 351 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: about human hair, that is a little bit more because 352 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 2: the process on human hair is human when it lasts forever, 353 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: and to get it over from Asia and Africa and 354 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: Southeast Asia and all of that, it takes a lot 355 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: to get it on the shelves. But that's a cornerstone 356 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 2: as well. And we actually had a human hair salon 357 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: before we actually had the retail in Hancock Park, which. 358 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: I'm sure you're familiar with. Welt it over. 359 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: There, and we decided not to go forward with it 360 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: during COVID and to go all in on glow and 361 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: flow the retail side. 362 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: But hair is the cornerstone. 363 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: We get our we we we get our the formula 364 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: for our hair started here, started out of the mind 365 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: of dying Valentine and a bunch of black women to 366 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: really figure out what the additive to the fiber is. 367 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: But it gets manufactured overseas. And then the human hair, 368 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: most of the human hair that we find here in 369 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: the United States is all from from from Asia, certain 370 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: parts of Africa and UH and uh Southeast Asia. 371 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 3: And you know the process is just real. Uh. 372 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: Young ladies go and they cut their hair and then 373 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: it's processed and put on a weft most of the time, 374 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: and then it's huged. But but that's that's huge, and 375 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: it's a tarket. 376 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: That's the cornerstone. 377 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: That's the cornerstone. 378 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I would even say, when you talk 379 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: about wet products, are the chemicals to to properly treat 380 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: the hair? Like, who knows if we have If you 381 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: and I have better products growing up, we might still 382 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: have ours. 383 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: But that in the process. 384 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, come on now, because we don't have no hair. 385 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: David and I, we are shining. We're telling us a 386 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: violas shining. We talked about franchises, We talked about overcoming hurdles. 387 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, you have a strong marketing background, you understand 388 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: about customer service and activations. And I always say when 389 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: you walk through a door, every damage someone walks in there, 390 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: that's an activation. How they're treated, how they walk out, 391 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: the reputation you build in the community city wide. Can 392 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: they buy Can they buy your products online? Damon? 393 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we're at glow and Flow Beauty dot com. 394 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: We're e commerce platforms so they can go and buy 395 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: the products as well as our hair slay hair Slay 396 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: with Three wiveshair dot com. So yeah, we we are 397 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: constantly evolving e commerce because that's just where the world 398 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: is going to and if people really want to support 399 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: a black owned businesses, that's the easiest place to do 400 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: it is online. Sometimes you know that's shipping is an 401 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: issue or the cost or whatever, but yeah, we offer 402 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: that and we also offer pickups, so if you put 403 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: the order in and then you want to pick it up, 404 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: we offer that too. 405 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: Now are strategies you know for winning and gaining We 406 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: talked about gaining trust in the community. We talk about 407 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: consistent we talk about customer services, we talk about competitive pricing. Okay, 408 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: but what is the overall winning plan for you guys? 409 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: I know you want to franchise. How can one contact 410 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: you about franchising? 411 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: Hello at Glowinflow Beauty dot com. Hello at Glowinflowbauty dot com. 412 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: Put franchise in the in the subject line, and then 413 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 2: that'll come directly to me. And I usually call people 414 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: I don't I might send an email, but I always 415 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: call people interested because I'm learning what are some of 416 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: the hurdles that other people have when they make the 417 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: call or do the outreach, so that that's an easy one. 418 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: I think for us, US it is being able to 419 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: see glow and Flow in every metropolitan area that services 420 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: black and brown women because it's more than just products. 421 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: It really creates a community. It creates a belonging. It 422 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: creates a space once again that you can come and 423 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: get great information, happy happy vibes. And also we do 424 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: like even now, we have what I call back stuff 425 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: or so if someone has an initiative or a fundraiser, 426 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'll put it in everybody's bag, right, 427 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: so it'll get to maybe five thousand people a month, 428 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: you know, on a good month, we get that and 429 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: then we help promote. So once again, we know when 430 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 2: we all win, when one of us win we all win. 431 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: So I always look for young people. I always look 432 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: for our mature customers to say, hey, what's your big 433 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: win and let's help you get there. And I think 434 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: once again, and that's the word of mouth where people 435 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: will only want to really come for us. So I 436 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: would say someone asked my exit strategy, I would love 437 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: to have maybe forty Glow and Flows nationwide. I love 438 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: our hair and other products in those stores, and I 439 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 2: could just consult and help like you're doing Rashan, helping 440 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: more people capture their dreams, live their dreams, and build 441 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: better families. 442 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: Cool. Thank you Damon for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass. 443 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: The beauty of this is that you are who you are. Brother, 444 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: You have not changed, you know detail. I'd always loved 445 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: that about you. So you're getting in business if you're 446 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: interested in franchising with a person who who walks to talk, 447 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: He's consistent and he will not ask you for your 448 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: money because he gonna treat your money like it's his money. 449 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: And that's what you're building with Glow and Flow Beauty. 450 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: And he's building a legacy. Like you said, he just 451 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: wants forty stores, but one hundred would really make him smile. 452 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: That would that would that would? 453 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: I thank you, thank you for coming on money Making 454 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: Conversation master Class. I appreciate you, brother, I really really 455 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: appreciate you. 456 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: Appreciate too, you were Sean. 457 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: I've always been there, man, I appreciate it. 458 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass 459 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: hosted by me Rushawn McDonald. 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