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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge podcast,

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Speaker 1: coming to you live on a Wednesday morning. My name

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Speaker 1: is Stephen and I am the host as always, and

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Speaker 1: joining me is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what's I mean?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome.

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Speaker 3: I've probably heard too many holiday songs at this point.

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Speaker 3: We're approaching that point of the year where I gotta

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Speaker 3: start turning one to three point.

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Speaker 2: Five off, but otherwise I'm doing pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Steven, how are you doing great? I have started my

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Speaker 1: Christmas break, so I know you guys are are starting

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Speaker 1: this later this week. My wife starts later this week,

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Speaker 1: so it's been good. I've watched and studied four draft

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Speaker 1: prospects this week, so making some good use of my

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Speaker 1: time off and getting ahead on that front. So doing great.

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Speaker 1: Holidays are obviously rapidly approaching, so from Tyler and I

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Speaker 1: and the the Chargers Channel, we wish you guys listening

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Speaker 1: a very happy holidays. Hopefully you guys have a great

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Speaker 1: time celebrating in the next week or so. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe we're like a week less than a week away

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Speaker 1: from Christmas. It's just like zooming in on the closing

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Speaker 1: of the year. So from me and Tyler and everybody else,

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Speaker 1: wish you guys a happy holidays. Hopefully everybody is safe.

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Speaker 1: Hoping everybody traveling arrives at their destination and has a

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Speaker 1: great time celebrating with friends and family. Have a very

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Speaker 1: busy show to get to today. Obviously, the Chargers have

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Speaker 1: decided to move on from Brandon Staley and Tom Tolesco.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time that we'll be discussing those

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Speaker 1: moves today and this is obviously a point of inflection

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Speaker 1: and reflection from the franchise going on. Owner and chair

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Speaker 1: Dean Spanos said that they're going to reimagine what it

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Speaker 1: means to, you know, take part in this process, and

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Speaker 1: so we decided that we felt like we needed to

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Speaker 1: do some of that today. We've gotten a press conference

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Speaker 1: from John Spanos, the president football operations, as well as

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Speaker 1: interim head coach Gift Smith, so we'll have some thoughts

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Speaker 1: there as well. Before we get started, of course, have

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Speaker 1: to say that we are fans of the team first

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Speaker 1: and foremost. The opinions that we reflect on this show

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Speaker 1: that are not reflective of the Chargers organization. They are

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Speaker 1: the opinions of Tyler and myself. We've been in this

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Speaker 1: platform and are very grateful for it, and I am

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Speaker 1: very grateful for the support from the Charger organization as

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Speaker 1: well as you guys listening. So none of that would

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Speaker 1: very excited and appreciative to be here. That being said, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the press conference from John Spanos, the

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Speaker 1: president Football Operations. He went fifty five minutes with local reporters.

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Speaker 1: We were not fortunate enough to partake in that press conference,

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Speaker 1: but we obviously have the cliff notes version, if you will,

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Speaker 1: all of the quotes afterwards. Where do you kind of

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Speaker 3: Now, there's an aspect of this where saying all the

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Speaker 3: and that coaching experience, while not completely necessary, is a bonus.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of Chargers fans, if they

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Speaker 2: And so to at least hear that.

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Speaker 3: They are open to bringing anyone in the best guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, we encouraged on our show

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Speaker 1: And you know, people have already decided that they want

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Speaker 1: You know, they already have their candidate kind of a guy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because there are so many great candidates at both

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Speaker 3: so I think they're good with either. The other thing

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Speaker 3: Not really, but I do think that may. While I

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Speaker 3: if Justin Herbert is truly your number one priority, which

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's the right approach as well,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. You know, they just did the defensive

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Speaker 3: And that's where the money is not an issue thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's a job that, as we said

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's a different case than twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they just really really believed in Brandon Staley. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that is going to show up in the coaching search.

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Speaker 1: I do want to get ahead of something regarding that front.

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Speaker 1: There is a there is an offensive coordinator candidate named

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, and if he gets hired, people are gonna say, like,

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Speaker 1: this is another cheap hire. Ben Johnson is not going

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Speaker 1: to be free. Like. He has a big, big, big, big, big,

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Speaker 1: big big fan of his in Caroline and mister David Pittepper.

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Speaker 1: So if the Chargers are going go after Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: it is going to cost them. It is not going

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Speaker 1: to be the usual, you know, cheap offensive coordinator because

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is going to command a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: in this cycle. We'll have a lot more to cover

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Speaker 1: on that front, but I did want to get ahead

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree there Again, it's like a spoiler

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has certain qualities that I hope he does

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's one of said. From a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, from a Bills standpoint, this specific week,

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Speaker 3: Easy, and I think Chargers fans have been frustrated by

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Speaker 3: hundred and one points, which is equivalent to about the

435
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Speaker 3: eighteenth overall pick in the NFL Draft. The Chargers, on

436
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Speaker 3: the flip side, have only added seven compensatory picks since

437
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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, technically twenty thirteen. Telesco's GM you don't get

438
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Speaker 3: the compicks for stuff that you didn't do from the

439
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 3: previous year, so only seven compicks in that span, So

440
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Speaker 3: you've given up eight. You've lost in terms of total

441
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Speaker 3: value the eighteenth overall pick in the draft, and you've

442
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Speaker 3: only gotten seven comppicks over that span, where six of

443
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Speaker 3: those years you had zero, and the only really quote

444
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 3: unquote good one you've received was one that just had

445
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Speaker 3: to happen because Philip Rivers moved on. They got that

446
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: third round pick, and these it on Trey McKitty, which

447
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 3: is unfortunate that that that specific player hasn't worked out.

448
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: But the Ravens, for example, I've had twenty two compensatory

449
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: picks over that exact same span, and what they've done

450
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Speaker 3: to is now it sort of depends on the players

451
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Speaker 3: you let go. It sort of depends on, you know,

452
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Speaker 3: the contracts that they receive, of course, but the Ravens

453
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Speaker 3: have not just a few seventh round picks and sixth

454
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Speaker 3: round picks, like the Chargers have had a lot of

455
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Speaker 3: fourth rounders, some third rounders, fifth rounders. The Chargers have

456
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Speaker 3: to be better at that because you're now getting into,

457
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Speaker 3: especially in twenty twenty five, the bulk of this justin

458
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Speaker 3: Herbert contract, and you have to find ways to find

459
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Speaker 3: advantages where you didn't before. And to me, it's not easy.

460
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: I know, you have to find a trade partner, things

461
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: have to be correct, the boards, etc. But you have

462
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Speaker 3: to find a way to trade back. You have to

463
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Speaker 3: find a way to accumulate compensatory picks because this team

464
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Speaker 3: is going to need it. They can't just go out

465
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Speaker 3: and spend as much as they could before. The team

466
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Speaker 3: needs these picks, and frankly, you just need the depth

467
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Speaker 3: and you need more at bats. You know, not every

468
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Speaker 3: player you could draft the exact same way in terms

469
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Speaker 3: of hits versus misses. You could draft the exact same way.

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Speaker 3: Let's say it's a third of your picks or hits

471
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Speaker 3: and two thirds are misses. Well, if you get one

472
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Speaker 3: or two more at bats every draft, you are going

473
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Speaker 3: to have more hits. Maybe the percentage doesn't increase, but

474
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Speaker 3: you're going to have more and that's what the Chargers

475
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Speaker 3: need moving forward. So to me, that's arguably I think

476
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Speaker 3: been the most frustrating aspect of the entire tenure. And

477
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Speaker 3: nothing obviously changed and nothing was particularly different there with

478
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Speaker 3: the Dally era as well, So I think that needs

479
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Speaker 3: to be a strong emphasis and change moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is you know, overall flexibility, I think is

481
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Speaker 1: something that needs to increase going forward. You mentioned that

482
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Speaker 1: the draft perspective, I think you can look at ways

483
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: these other contenders have gained an advantage moving forward. You know,

484
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: everybody wants to you know, the Lions are kind of

485
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Speaker 1: like the hot commodity right now, and they drafted good

486
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Speaker 1: Jumior Gibbs in the first round. They said after the

487
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Speaker 1: draft that they would have taken jamieer Gibbs at their

488
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Speaker 1: current at their designated slot heading into the draft. They

489
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Speaker 1: instead traded down and then still took him. So like,

490
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Speaker 1: that's that's a way that you can make up the

491
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Speaker 1: extra margin. I don't have the exact draft package in

492
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Speaker 1: front of me, but they loved the guy. They still

493
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Speaker 1: traded down and still were able to pick the guy

494
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Speaker 1: that they loved. You look at what the Baltimore Ravens

495
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Speaker 1: did in the Orlando Brown trade. They moved on from

496
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Speaker 1: a player who they didn't necessarily think was going to

497
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Speaker 1: give them, you know, proper value, and they also didn't

498
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Speaker 1: think that like the compensatory pick would be that strong.

499
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Speaker 1: So they moved out there and they traded Orlando Brown

500
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Speaker 1: and they took Tyler Lennerbaum and Kyle Hamilton with one

501
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Speaker 1: of those two picks. That was the first draft, and

502
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: those two players are foundational players for them right now.

503
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Speaker 1: So those are obviously first round examples, there are other examples,

504
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Speaker 1: right of moving down on the second round, moving up

505
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Speaker 1: on the third round, like just ways for you to

506
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: gain more value on drafts weekend is super important, like

507
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, and that's the difference between you know, if

508
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Speaker 1: you have, you know, ten draft picks, maybe three of

509
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: them are hits, maybe four of them are are solid players,

510
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Speaker 1: Like there's just a higher chance that you get stronger

511
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Speaker 1: impact players. And this is a team that's going to

512
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: have to make some really really drastic changes from a

513
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: cap standpoint next year, Like you need as many picks

514
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Speaker 1: as possible to potentially gain a strong advantage next year.

515
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Speaker 1: And it doesn't even have to be with first round picks.

516
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Speaker 1: I mean, the team across town, the Rams, didn't have

517
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Speaker 1: a first round pick last year, and yet they found

518
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Speaker 1: four foundational building blocks in the draft because they had

519
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: so many chances. They had like twelve draft picks. So

520
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: again these are extreme examples, but if you're just more

521
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Speaker 1: flexible on draft weekend, I think you can gain such

522
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Speaker 1: an advantage because you never, like you never know what's

523
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Speaker 1: going to happen with these picks. You never know who's

524
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Speaker 1: going to be the next Pukunakua, fifth round receiver who

525
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: leads like all rookies in receiving yards right now as

526
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Speaker 1: a fifth rounder. You know, it's just it's such an

527
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Speaker 1: advantage if you're can be flexible on draft weekend. And

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Speaker 1: I think in general, if you are as a general

529
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Speaker 1: manager flexible, I think you give yourself a chance to,

530
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Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of the resources given to you

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just look at the previous draft. I

533
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Speaker 3: know Xander Horvath is not on the team, but you

534
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: have Dean Leonard, Jamari Sawier and John Taylor with the

535
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Speaker 3: three other picks from the sixth and seventh round, a

536
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: few more outbats at the end of day three, and

537
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: you have two core special teamers in there, potential guys

538
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: who could be starters moving forward. And of course Jamori

539
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: is now your starter at right guard, so phenomenal there.

540
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Speaker 3: Of course, like those things, try to find those little

541
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Speaker 3: you knowes later. It doesn't mean you can't give up

542
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: a draft pick ever. You know, hey traded for Kalimback.

543
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: That's a great move. That was a great move. It

544
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: is currently a great move. It's paying off in terms

545
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: of his production. Seems like a home run move, but

546
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: find ways to also move back as well to accumulate

547
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: as well.

548
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Have a nice balance between the two.

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that flexibility, that willingness to adapt to change, I

550
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: think can pivot towards a coaching conversation as well. You know,

551
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: I look at coaches around the league, and the majority

552
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: of them have, for the most part, come up against

553
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: a moment of adversity, you know, whether it was Sean

554
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: McVay last year thinking about retirement, whether it was Kyle

555
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: Shanahan in twenty nineteen after a Super Bowl, like everybody,

556
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: your whole roster is decimated by injuries. Whether it was

557
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh, you know, dealing with all the Joe Flacco

558
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: noise at the end of the Joe Flacco era, I

559
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: should say, and people calling for his job, whether every

560
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: coach that you go through, whether it's you know, Pete

561
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: Carroll at USC versus now, like every coach is going

562
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: to have that moment of adversity that leads to a

563
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: point of reflection, that leads to a moment in the

564
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: off season where you have to really think about what

565
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: went wrong in that specific season, what went wrong in

566
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Speaker 1: X amount of specific seasons, And when you come to

567
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: that point, I think you have to be willing to change.

568
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: And I think that is an aspect that ultimately resulted

569
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Speaker 1: in Brandon stalely losing his job. Is that we all

570
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: looked at the twenty seven zero loss, including Brandon Staley,

571
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Speaker 1: and said that things need to change. He took the

572
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Speaker 1: time in the off season to reach out to some

573
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Speaker 1: of his mentors and to go spend time with Steve Kerr.

574
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Speaker 1: And I know that like people are kind of making

575
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: fun of that from a social media standpoint, but to me,

576
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: that's a smart thing. You go seek out resources and

577
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: advice from people have been through similar things. The issue

578
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: is that Brandon Stay that came back and doubled down

579
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: on things that he really believed were core aspects of

580
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: the team and really doubled down on himself, which is,

581
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to make this about you know,

582
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: Pylon to Brandon Staley, but if he had taken the

583
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: advice of Steve Kerr and said, hey, like, let's change

584
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: some things here about the way we do business. And

585
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like bringing in Kellen Moore. I'm

586
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: not talking about like, you know, let's go get Eric KENDRICKX.

587
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: Like personnel changes are naturally going to happen across your

588
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: tenure as a coach, But like, let's change how we

589
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: do things on a day to day. Let's change things

590
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: how we do on a practice, Let's change how we

591
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: watch film, Let's change things how we listen to players.

592
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Speaker 1: I think that is such an important aspect of coaching,

593
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: as being willing to move off of ideas that are

594
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: not working when those things are presented to you. And

595
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Speaker 1: I think that twenty seven to zero loss last year

596
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: should have resulted in more coaching changes, not jobs, but

597
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: like from a day to day coaching aspect, it should

598
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Speaker 1: have resulted in a change of day to day operations,

599
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it really did that. It led

600
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Speaker 1: to some changes of personnel and scheme and coaching staff,

601
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Speaker 1: but I think when you come up with that moment

602
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: from adversity, you've got to take it head on and

603
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: make some changes as the head coach, not like the

604
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Speaker 1: people around you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, will completely agree with that.

606
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Speaker 3: I think the it was a very tough year in

607
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Speaker 3: terms of the on field product for the defense, in

608
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Speaker 3: terms of what you hear from the quotes from some

609
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: of the players publicly in postgame interviews, that sort of

610
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: thing where you can tell there's just a struggle, like

611
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Speaker 3: I'm not getting this, it's not working.

612
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Speaker 2: We need to do something different.

613
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Speaker 3: And you know, then you look at the numbers we've

614
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: discussed Shannon Enterprey in terms of how complex the defenses

615
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Speaker 3: and responsibilities. The complexity didn't change. The rotations were still there,

616
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Speaker 3: Guys were still rotating in the secondary, and the percent

617
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: of perfectly covered plays by the defense was still very,

618
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Speaker 3: very low. I do wonder how much of the previous

619
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Speaker 3: two coaches of the Telesco tenure, so Mike McCoy and

620
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Speaker 3: Anthony Lynn, I do wonder how much of the lack

621
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Speaker 3: of second half of their tenure success was just on

622
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Speaker 3: not being able to take that next step or make

623
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Speaker 3: a certain change because what worked initially right Both of

624
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: them won playoff games in their first two years. McCoy

625
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: in the first year, then in his second year. Whatever

626
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: worked initially worked, but then there was that season of

627
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: adversity in that third year and they never just quite

628
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: were able to find their footing or find something that worked.

629
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Speaker 3: And obviously there's many other reasons. Injuries for example, you know,

630
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Speaker 3: trying to change between quarterbacks with Rivers and Herbert. You know,

631
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: things like that, But just I wonder how much of

632
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: the other coaches not be able to grow or adapt

633
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: to a changing NFL contributed to them not finding success

634
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: in year three and four.

635
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Speaker 1: Final point here, Jordan rodrig who covers the Rams for

636
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: The Athletic, did a wonderful series on the the Kyle

637
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Sean McVay kind of coaching trees. She called

638
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: it The play Callers. If you missed it, I would

639
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: strongly encourage you to go check it out. It's wonderfully

640
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: done and it gives a ton of insight into the

641
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: meta that is, you know the Shanahan McVay coaching tree

642
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: right now, and you know the obviously Zach Taylor and

643
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Matt mcflore and Mike McDaniel and Bobby Slowch and Demikon

644
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Ryan's like all these guys, Robert Sala, all these guys

645
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: come from that coaching tree. It's it's the most popular

646
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: coaching tree in the NFL for a reason, I think,

647
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of that is dived into in that series.

648
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: But one thing that really stuck out to me in

649
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Speaker 1: kind of because Jordan Rodrigy was on The Athletic againd

650
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: this week, and like she brought back up some of

651
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: her points and so just made me think of it.

652
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: But one thing that really stuck out to her and

653
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: to me is that Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, essentially

654
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: every two years will will seek out new ideas from

655
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: a teaching and coaching standpoint, and basically every two years

656
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: they are changing things internally, whether that is scheme, whether

657
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: that is teaching strategies, whether it is coaching staff. Basically,

658
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: every two years they are looking out and seeking out

659
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: the next big thing, the next you know, cutting edge,

660
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: the next advantage that they can gain. Jordan Roddergie pointed

661
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: out that, you know, Sean McVay this passed offseason went

662
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: out and brought in some former Patriots assistants, which was

663
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: like kind of weird, right, Like people are trying to

664
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: pull from the Patriots offense, but like they went and

665
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: got the Patriot's tight end coach to when bought brought

666
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: in an assistance offensive line coach. Because Sean McVay was

667
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: going to revamp his rushing attack and go from very

668
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: outside zone heavy to very gap heavy, and we're seeing

669
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: that the fruits of that with Kyrien Williams being one

670
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: of the top rushers in the league. So I think

671
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: that aspect of innovation and change is necessary for for

672
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: effective head coaches because you can't just keep doing the

673
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: same things over and over again every single year. And

674
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: I think that lack of that adaptability is one of

675
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: the reasons why the Chargers haven't been able to find

676
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: that long term coach, because they just want to stick

677
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: to the thing that they know best, the things that

678
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: they know will work for them, and I just don't

679
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: think that's how the NFL works. I think every two

680
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: years you probably have to be looking for the next

681
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: thing to change as a coach.

682
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about punch counter punch in the NFL.

683
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: And I think Brandon Stallly what he brought in initially

684
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: was great. It was the innovative thing, it was the

685
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: next thing.

686
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

687
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: The Chargers organization, I think honestly, just from that year

688
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: and looking at the higher did the right thing because

689
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: they were trying to find the next cutting edge thing.

690
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about here, not that every coach

691
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: has to always have the new thing, but you got

692
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: to keep trying to find way to rework yourself. Unfortunate

693
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 3: that it never really paid off, that it never really

694
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: became something. I even feel like the things that were

695
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: the cutting edge thing, you know, obviously, the going for

696
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: it stuff, that kind of personality, those things kind of

697
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: went away once that edge was lost and there was

698
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: no other thing to replace it, or no other different

699
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: kind of edge that they found. I think that's that's

700
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: partially why the team suffered a bit the last couple

701
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: of years.

702
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's totally fair. All right, Tyler, what's

703
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: your other lesson here that you want to touch on?

704
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: Player attention needs to be better, and I know it's

705
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: not that easy. Of course, with new head coaches means

706
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: you get new guys, you know, you bring in your

707
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: guys or guys that fit your scheme, and I totally

708
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: understand that's when you've had different coaches over the last

709
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: you know, decade plus. Of course you're going to get

710
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: some roster turnover. But the Chargers have only brought back

711
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: of their forty six draft picks that were going to

712
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: hit free agency, They've only brought back seven, And it

713
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: really wasn't all that much. It was basically only first

714
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: rounders and Keenan Allen until this past year with Trey

715
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Pipkins and Easton Stick like that was a big change.

716
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: The Chargers definitely had not done that, and now you're

717
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty class up and odds are the only

718
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: person returning is Justin Herbert.

719
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Speaker 2: I could understand why. There's plenty of different.

720
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: Reasons why, but overall, I just think the turnover is

721
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: just too much sometimes and maybe you're looking for the

722
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 3: next best thing. You know, grass is always greener sort

723
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: of thing, but sometimes that continuity is can be very beneficial.

724
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: And heck, you could argue even with a coordinator like

725
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: Shane Steichen, perhaps continuity would have been the best thing

726
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: rather than seeking what was the next best thing. I

727
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: understand why they moved on, but maybe perhaps looking back

728
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: in hindsight, continuity and retention could also apply to coordinators.

729
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: I think that's especially relevant given what's going on right

730
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: now with the current Chargers staff. I just think the

731
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 3: charges of you know, they never found like a tight

732
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: end after Hunter Henry left.

733
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: They never found.

734
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: Another slot to really stabilize the position after Desmond King

735
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: was traded.

736
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: There's many reasons for that.

737
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: The linebacker Corps maybe hasn't quite been the exact one

738
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: two punch that they wanted because of all the turnover there.

739
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: You know, they let Justin Jackson walk. They still haven't

740
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: quite found that same RB two to match his production.

741
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: That sort of thing.

742
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: They found kickers, They found a kicker finally, that's the

743
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: one thing that they have not retained whatsoever. They finally

744
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: found Yeah, amazing stuff. Two kickers not bad. So I

745
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: just think that retention needs to be better, not that

746
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: it's a requirement for all players. You don't have to

747
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: retain players for the sake of retaining them, But I

748
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: think that year to year, if you're constantly trying to

749
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: change the pieces over and over again.

750
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: You know, we hear so.

751
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: Much, oh well, it's just year one of him with

752
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: this team in this system. In year two it's going

753
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: to be better. But then if they're gone in year

754
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: two or they don't get a chance to really settle

755
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: in that system, then we're always going to be in

756
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: the cycle of, oh, it's just his first year in

757
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: the system.

758
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: Oops.

759
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: System didn't work. Defense didn't look good, offense didn't look good.

760
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: So I think the retention has to be improved at

761
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: least a little bit moving forward.

762
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there, like you mentioned, there's gonna be some

763
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: natural change that the team can't help like that you're

764
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: gonna have to make some very hard, difficult decisions this

765
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: year that it's gonna change lead to big changes from

766
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: the roster perspective, But that doesn't have to mean you

767
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: change over the bones of the roster. Also, like you

768
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: can you can have the change you can bring in,

769
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, the guys that this specific coach wants in

770
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: the new year. But maybe you keep a guy like

771
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: a lowhi Ghiman because he's such an important blue guy

772
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: in the secondary. Maybe you keep a guy like Kaisier

773
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: White because he's such an important glue guy in the

774
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: linebacker room, et cetera. You know, I Will Clapp would

775
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: have been another example of that, but I don't like

776
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: his injuries. Just I don't know, we don't know specifics

777
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But he's a guy too that

778
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: I think would have been great for like continuity going

779
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: forward with the new regime. And obviously he's beloved by

780
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: the team. So I think I've always understood why, like

781
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, coaches come in, you want to get your

782
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: own guys, Like it makes sense, like especially when you're

783
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: going through like such a drastic scheme change. But that

784
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to get rid of everybody, you

785
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: can keep some of the other core pieces, and I

786
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: think it just helps with roster continuity. Like you mentioned there.

787
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: My last one that I wanted to touch on is kind

788
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: of a lesson, but also like a I guess applies

789
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: to like the current head coach head coaching search campaign,

790
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: is that you don't have to have experience being a

791
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: head coach to be a successful head coach. But I

792
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: think you have to have experience around you. And what

793
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: I mean by that is if you hire a first

794
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: time coordinator to be your new head coach, I think

795
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: it can be very successful. Obviously we've seen that around

796
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: the league. But I think that first time head coach

797
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: needs experience around him. And I'm not just talking about

798
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: like being in the league for a long time. I'm

799
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: talking about like former head coaching experience. So there are

800
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches this year that might be on

801
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: the move. There are a lot of former head coaches

802
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: that are current position coaches. Things like that, and hiring

803
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: those guys to be your coordinators, to be your wide

804
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: receivers coach, to be your passing game coordinator, your run

805
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: game coordinator, whatever the case may be. I think having

806
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: those coaches who have that head coach experience on your

807
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: staff in some capacity just makes things so much easier

808
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: for you, you know, for whatever, you know, whatever you

809
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: think of him as the head coach, right, I think

810
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: one of the smartest things Anthony Linn did was have

811
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: enough offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator who both had that

812
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: previous head coaching experience. And obviously, guess by these tenure

813
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and ken Was tenure in Arizona weren't like

814
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: super successful, but like they have that experience, they know

815
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: what that process is like. And I think it just

816
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: helps you as a young head coach to be able

817
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: to lean on those guys, because it's one thing to

818
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: lean on somebody who's been in the league for a

819
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 1: long time. It's another thing to lean on somebody who's

820
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: gone through that. And even like negative experiences like Gus

821
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: Bradley's and Jacksonville can be a big help for you

822
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: as a first time head coach. So I think that

823
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: applies to, you know, the current head coaching search. I

824
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: think it applies to fans because I don't think you

825
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: necessarily have to have that experience to be a viable

826
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: head coaching hire. I think you can go out and

827
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: seek out that experience, and I think that applies to

828
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: the adaptability, the flexibility, the taking on change aspect that

829
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: we're we're all talking about today. So if the Chargers

830
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: go out and hire a first time head coach, that

831
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: first time head coach, I think should go hire some experience,

832
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: like go buy the areas that you might lack as

833
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: an individual head coaching candidate by going out and getting

834
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: a quality staff around him. I think the hiring of

835
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: a staff is the most underrated aspect of the head

836
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: coaching position, and I think having that experience around you

837
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: just think makes things so much easier.

838
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

839
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: You know, greatly are the ones who find their weaknesses

840
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: and just surround them with people who are really really

841
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: good in those areas. And I think, you know, part

842
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: of it's retaining some of the staff. But like Shane

843
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: Stikeen for the Colts, for example, dangerous for me to

844
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: just look at one example and find exactly what I

845
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: was looking for. But Shane stiken in year one very successful,

846
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 3: could be Coach of the year. I thought their starting

847
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: quarterback even playing for them, had Gus Bradley, like you mentioned,

848
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: I had thirty four years of experience, Jim Bob Couter

849
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: sixteen years, Brian Mason fourteen years.

850
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: I was because I'm a nerd.

851
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: I looked through their coaching staff, and the Colts staff

852
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: has twenty one players who by the end of this

853
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: year will have a decade of experience in the NFL.

854
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: And I'm not surprised then, given one who Shane Sdyken

855
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: is and to the veterans around him, that the Colts

856
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: have been able to just I mean, they lost their

857
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: first round pick, their quarterback, their future, and they're going

858
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: to make the postseason. And I don't think it's any

859
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 3: coincidence that this staff is such a veteran staff. Guys

860
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: have obviously been in the league for a while, but

861
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: also someone like Gus Bradley who's been a head coach,

862
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: He's been there, done that. No surprise that the Colts

863
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: have remained very stable. So I, like you, I'm looking

864
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: for something like that moving forward as well.

865
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned the Colts right, like the Rams

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Speaker 1: hired Sean McVay and he went out and got Wade

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh he had Todd Haley as his offensive coordinator for

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Speaker 1: a while. Again, these things don't always hit right, like

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Speaker 1: Todd Haley and Fitsburgh was not a super resounding success,

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Speaker 1: But I think it just in general, it makes things

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Speaker 1: easier when you have those guys to bounce ideas off of. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: there are situations that your rolodex is a little limited,

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Speaker 1: but I think in general it's a sound idea to

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Speaker 1: go out and hire some experience. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of coaches that change every single year. There's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of guys in this current cycle who

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Speaker 1: are up for coordinator positions who have previously head coaching

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Speaker 1: it just makes things that much easier. All right, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: any other final thoughts before we head out for it today.

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Speaker 2: That's it, man.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk i'm sure more over the next coming weeks

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Speaker 3: and months, etc. About the Charges moving forward. And for now, Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Fans enjoy Saturday, enjoy the holiday, stay safe.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and like I mentioned earlier, if you want to

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Speaker 1: go see our head coach candidate rankings, we did have

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Speaker 1: that conversation on Saturday on our channel, so please go

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Speaker 1: make sure and check that out. Make sure and subscribe

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Speaker 1: to this channel and our own over there to give

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Speaker 1: the charge podcast. We greatly appreciate your guys' support. We

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Speaker 1: greatly appreciate the Chargers organization for having us on the channel.

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Speaker 1: That being said, we'll see you guys next week and

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Speaker 1: as always, bull talk