Speaker 1: What does brick mean and sneaker? As soon as they released,
Speaker 1: they dropped in price. Okay, I mean it's like an
Speaker 1: album bricks right, It's like an album that's Brickish shot,
Speaker 1: Brickish British shot, just falling like you can. I can't
Speaker 1: brick and shot. Actually I can only swish them. They
Speaker 1: called bricks shot Ferguson. Anybody is gonna get it if
Speaker 1: you're fucking down. If you have ever heard that name,
Speaker 1: it suck. Yeah, there's no way you heard. I don't
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Speaker 1: episode on but for you listeners, it's Wednesday, twenty twenty four. Yes, yes, yes, man,
Speaker 1: what a shitty there is.
Speaker 2: Fuck, there's only one day hat like National Holiday Animal Day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's National Indian Pudding Day.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is do with that. It's
Speaker 1: a pair.
Speaker 2: I brought this up, I think in previous episodes because
Speaker 2: at there's a restaurant in LA that serves like New
Speaker 2: England Indian pudding as like a dessert, and I'm not
Speaker 2: like those two together anyway. Yeah, exactly, it's just listen
Speaker 2: to the description of this. In the seventeenth century, English
Speaker 2: colonists brought hasty pudding to North America.
Speaker 1: Was gonna guess raisins, Yeah, raisins in this bitch, and
Speaker 1: I think cashews. Although they initially made the pudding with
Speaker 1: wheat due to the shortage of grape, the colonists eventually
Speaker 1: used corn meal. Since the colonists had learned to cultivate
Speaker 1: maize from the indigenous peoples, the crop was readily available.
Speaker 1: And then it became something over time and you put
Speaker 1: a bunch of shit on it, and here we are
Speaker 1: November thirteenth, it's just oatmeal, but they were like trying
Speaker 1: to trick themselves into it being a dessert because they
Speaker 1: were starving to death because they didn't know how to farm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean the version I've had felt like an undercooked
Speaker 2: like like pie crust with ice cream.
Speaker 1: Oh you've had it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm at it
Speaker 1: because I was like, what is this interesting? You're gonna
Speaker 1: the person's like, you're gonna love our Indian pudding and
Speaker 1: let's give it a shot. All right. My name is
Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien, AKA, what's this? What's this? There's natsies everywhere?
Speaker 1: What's this? Fourth rank is in the air. That is
Speaker 1: courtesy of Helseion Solid on the Discord. It's Nightmare before
Speaker 1: Christmas Season, probably the spookiest Nightmare before Christmas season we've
Speaker 1: had around these parts in a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Fascism is spooky. I've always said it. I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host mister Miles
Speaker 1: Gradkay macgu Chodes Madca Chodes. Don't get how terriffs would work.
Speaker 1: Shout out to salad and they don't have to no,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to you can you can figure
Speaker 1: it out for him. Blame Joe Biden when your tires
Speaker 1: cost a fuck ton of money. I don't know. Yeahrdon Miles, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's drilled. It's been too long. One of our favorite
Speaker 1: guests on The Daily's Poet, a podcaster who you can
Speaker 1: hear on the American Hysteria podcast exploring the fantastical thinking
Speaker 1: and irrational fears of Americans. Huh, that doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: US moral panics, urban legends, and conspiracy theories. Please welcome
Speaker 1: the brilliant and talented Chelsea Webbers.
Speaker 3: Jessy's been too long.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful to have you. So, I'm so relieved that
Speaker 1: you're here. It's nice to see a comforting, smiling face
Speaker 1: on the other side. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this a new dimension.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, truly a new dimension. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a fun way to look at it. We're merely going
Speaker 1: into a new dimension.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something's I like to think that when Trump came
Speaker 3: down that escalator in twenty fifteen, and it was like
Speaker 3: a rip in reality and we kind of like passed
Speaker 3: into a new yeah, because like.
Speaker 1: When he did that, he was having to pay actors
Speaker 1: to pretend to be supporting him and then it's like
Speaker 1: we whatever fictional movie he was producing for that, like
Speaker 1: media opportunity, we just like entered that fictional Yes, it
Speaker 1: was like there are actually everybody's excited about him. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have to pay anyone. They're just going to show up, like.
Speaker 3: Entire states, right, just like start too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think blending of reality.
Speaker 2: It's like one of those transitions in a movie where
Speaker 2: you're looking at the TV screen and it like pushes
Speaker 2: in and then it becomes the fucking type like the
Speaker 2: reality and like yeah, or there's options scarface montage where
Speaker 2: he's making a bunch of money and like having a
Speaker 2: ton of success, yeah, and laughing maniacally into the telephone.
Speaker 1: Hey, but guys, there's there's good news there. There's an option.
Speaker 1: It's called fighting. So that's fighting it back. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't have to we don't have to all perish.
Speaker 1: Maybe it may be difficult, but place and handle this
Speaker 1: one for me. I think he's got this one.
Speaker 2: I'm going to sort of use that as like an
Speaker 2: analogous everything riding on that very good, very.
Speaker 3: Good you guys that Jake Paul is going to fight
Speaker 3: Mike Tyson? Is that right? Did I make that tomorrow night,
Speaker 3: tomorrow night, Okay, I only like.
Speaker 1: To watch that.
Speaker 3: I got to find the illegal stream for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, yeah, you know it's going to be sold.
Speaker 1: That's just just put that out of your mind. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the circus. Part of the bread and circus
Speaker 1: is that they were talking about and beat up somebody
Speaker 1: who's way too old.
Speaker 3: Right, we just don't need.
Speaker 1: It's like they're like creating their own political cartoon of
Speaker 1: ass beating after the like literal ass beating that we
Speaker 1: just took, not we the mainstream Democratic party. Who can
Speaker 1: get No, I didn't lose, although we all didn't lose.
Speaker 1: Everyone sadly will I'm actually happy. Oh god, don't do
Speaker 1: that thing. I hate seeing actually happy. You think you
Speaker 1: think I'm These are Oh you're gonna you guys are
Speaker 1: gonna love it. And I'm like, don't condition yourself to
Speaker 1: be even more numb to human suffering than we already are.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the quickest way to help, like already
Speaker 1: something like yeah, and like when they're screaming in the
Speaker 1: streets on fire, like I'm gonna laugh, that's that mentality,
Speaker 1: will not help could be laughing.
Speaker 3: It's so hard you can't be a meme in real life.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, all right, Chelsea, we're gonna get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better at a moment. First, we're
Speaker 1: going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. Trump has started picking his cabinet. We might
Speaker 1: check in with that. Trump supporters are confused, why not
Speaker 1: so many live tears? Why more live angry? Why so angry? Mind?
Speaker 1: Whoa getting mad at me? We're they mad? This is
Speaker 1: just like fun. We will check in out. The one thing,
Speaker 1: the one story I know we're going to hit today
Speaker 1: is this Wheel of Fortune contestant completely uh making up
Speaker 1: a well known phrase that I fucking is now a
Speaker 1: part of my my, my vocabulary. I'm going let it
Speaker 1: heay go by where wherein I don't say this? You
Speaker 1: can you can find out what that is. And you
Speaker 1: can also see I think the most important video that
Speaker 1: I didn't see during the election that now explains everything
Speaker 1: I needed to know about the election is a Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris New York Fashion Week event that Miles found. It's
Speaker 1: it's everything, It's it's really going everywhere all at once.
Speaker 1: It really it's really going to make you ask, like, wait,
Speaker 1: how did they lose? They are so good at this
Speaker 1: all of that anymore. But first, Chelsea, we do like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 3: This is going to double us a little promo. But
Speaker 3: my weirdest one I could find is Ectoplasm poppet. And
Speaker 3: I know I always bring this kind of content to
Speaker 3: you guys, And the reason I was searching that is
Speaker 3: because Sarah Marshall from You're Wrong About and I and
Speaker 3: then my partner and our producer and You're Wrong about
Speaker 3: producer Miranda's Fleetwood Mac cover band, which is fun that
Speaker 3: you guys were just talking about it. We're doing a
Speaker 3: live show on the West Coast in December and January,
Speaker 3: and it's all around spiritualism and seances and so we're
Speaker 3: kind of designing this whole show, and so one of
Speaker 3: the things we're doing is creating Ectoplasm puppets. And what
Speaker 3: these were is during seances and like the Turn of
Speaker 3: the century, you guys all know those like the tricks
Speaker 3: you lift the tables, things play on their own, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know that. I feel like that was like the
Speaker 3: trickle down the slumber part of the yah, yeah, but yeah, same,
Speaker 3: same kind of.
Speaker 1: I'm mostly familiar with slumber party culture, so I know
Speaker 1: you you're.
Speaker 3: Always in a slumber party every time and stuff.
Speaker 1: Next guest.
Speaker 3: But yeah, ectoplasm was this this trick that mediums would
Speaker 3: do when go into trance, and they would like regurgitate
Speaker 3: cheesecloth and it would like look like some sort of
Speaker 3: spirit was exiting their body. And sometimes they would make
Speaker 3: puppets so it would like look like they'd do this
Speaker 3: illusion where this really wild looking and disgusting looking puppet
Speaker 3: would kind of rise out of egg. But listen, guys,
Speaker 3: any orifice.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Sounces were a lot weirder and more sexual than we
Speaker 3: talk about or think about, because why would we really
Speaker 3: even think about salces from the turn of the century.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they would like there were all of these
Speaker 3: tricks that they would do. Houdini was super involved in
Speaker 3: bringing down this woman who had all this these ecdoplasm
Speaker 3: tricks that she did, and a lot of times they'd
Speaker 3: paste from like a newspaper or magazine just a face
Speaker 3: on the puppet and be like, look, it's Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we were kind of building a puppet of
Speaker 3: our own for the show. So it's definitely like.
Speaker 1: And you're and you'll be able to like exercise this
Speaker 1: spirit from out of your corpse.
Speaker 3: And maybe yeah wow, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2: You have to see I mean talent on the stage.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, that's a Camus show.
Speaker 1: But now we're talking about spiritual puppet and I'm not going, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's scare.
Speaker 3: We got all kinds of tricks. We got burlesque in
Speaker 3: the show. It's going to be like it's a it's
Speaker 3: kind of a theater. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's sexual liberation definitely. The show is cheese cloth,
Speaker 1: the very light cloth that kind of looks like it
Speaker 1: like flows in the Is that kind of what the
Speaker 1: idea was matched.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like really thin and you use it.
Speaker 3: I don't even really know, but yeah, it's just this.
Speaker 3: It was like a very common material.
Speaker 1: I always use it in the making of cheese. But
Speaker 1: I just well, I didn't realize you could funk around
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 3: There are no rules when it comes to cheese cloth.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm gonna go with the Blair Witch Project, which
Speaker 3: maybe I've.
Speaker 1: Sessed you the hat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I just got this hat because they just
Speaker 3: finally gave rights to the three main actors and they
Speaker 3: were able to make their own merch. So I got
Speaker 3: this limited edition hat. Oh and you guys should check
Speaker 3: it out. It's from Michael what's his name? I want
Speaker 3: to get it right, Yeah, Michael C. Williams. He has
Speaker 3: put out a line of March and it's dope and
Speaker 3: I love them. And they're reputting out the Blair Witch
Speaker 3: Project in this like in its original form, so like
Speaker 3: the way. I don't know anything about technical movie stuff,
Speaker 3: but it was like shot in this particular way. They
Speaker 3: didn't work in theaters, and now they're putting it back
Speaker 3: out and it's supposed to be way scarier, like just
Speaker 3: because you can see more in the depth that you
Speaker 3: couldn't see before. So I'm very excited about that because
Speaker 3: it's one of my most favorite movies. So I thought
Speaker 3: i'd wrap it today and people just get and I
Speaker 3: think it's because scary movie really nailed the parody. People just.
Speaker 1: Was not something coming out of nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like so much snock.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was funny, take much.
Speaker 3: It doesn't take much low.
Speaker 1: Bar yeah, yeah, that movie. I did not believe it
Speaker 1: was real, and I was still freaked out in the theater.
Speaker 1: I walked very quickly to my car after that one
Speaker 1: because that last shot was so confounding. Yeah, the last
Speaker 1: shot was like no shot, no single shot has ever
Speaker 1: been more important to the guy phasing the corner. For
Speaker 1: people who aren't yeah, spoiler alert, sorry, so spoiler alert
Speaker 1: referring to the guy. It's a twenty five year old movie,
Speaker 1: it's still I don't want to four people who didn't
Speaker 1: catch it the first time. Yeah, the first time it
Speaker 1: came out like part of what is affecting about it
Speaker 1: is that you you don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and but yeah, you're filling in the blanks of your mind,
Speaker 1: which is what there's that one shot. The whole movie
Speaker 1: I think rests on that. Up to that point, I
Speaker 1: was like I don't really get what's so scary, And
Speaker 1: then that shot, I was like, I never want to
Speaker 1: be alone in a room ever again, right, and that happened.
Speaker 2: I just remember my partner, her majesty, she went to
Speaker 2: it's like she's from Maryland and she's like yeah, Like
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah.
Speaker 1: That that like I know about stuff in Maryland. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, that's real. And I'm like Blair,
Speaker 1: like Montgomery Blair, like the there's a high school called
Speaker 1: Blair High School. And I was like, it's a witch.
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, no, I just remember being so
Speaker 1: Blair witch brain that I would hear Blair in Maryland
Speaker 1: and Francis, the legendary Maryland ter basketball player Steve Francis
Speaker 1: went to Blair High School Maryland.
Speaker 3: You can you can go to Burkettsville. You can go
Speaker 3: to Burkettsville, which is the town. It's a real town.
Speaker 3: And I did go there and I went to all
Speaker 3: the little places that are in the movie.
Speaker 1: It was great, nice place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great place. I'm sure they resent people like me
Speaker 3: ain't going there, but you know, I tried to keep
Speaker 3: a low profile.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're like they spend money though, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't think I bought anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh you're just like looking like and yeah.
Speaker 3: Just taking a little picture with the sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah yep, yeah yeah. Do you guys ever have a
Speaker 1: spooky a spooky wood by your home, a spooky wood
Speaker 1: that you explored as a I had a spooky wood
Speaker 1: behind my neighbor Cross Street, neighbor's house in Dayton, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and they would just like randomly be like these like
Speaker 1: like these like drums that like sounded. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like mysterious drums that we would just like sound
Speaker 1: in the woods every once in a while, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know where they were coming from. It was like
Speaker 1: some some like Genesis cover band. No it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like a drum kit in some that you know
Speaker 1: sounds like a drum circle, yea circle before I knew
Speaker 1: what that was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but anyway, I did
Speaker 1: not have a We had the l a river. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had that river where you went and out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wizard and colorful characters. We've been here before. That's
Speaker 1: my woods. What's something you think is overrated? Oh?
Speaker 3: I wrote down a little hare. I'll just read you
Speaker 3: this little line. The false reality we have created that
Speaker 3: just that destroys the beauty that lies beneath the stories
Speaker 3: we tell about the world. Okay, there you.
Speaker 1: Actually it's just I think that's great. I just yesterday's
Speaker 1: guest to used that exact same one ship. That's really
Speaker 1: can you say that one more time? For my brain?
Speaker 3: It's like wearing the same outfit to a premiere just uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the day after the election, the only thing
Speaker 3: I could do is go to the woods and like
Speaker 3: just try to And I'm not only like I'm not
Speaker 3: a hippie, but I like touched the earth. I just said, like,
Speaker 3: remember that, like this everything is bullshit. Every single fucking
Speaker 3: thing is bullshit. But you can like find those moments
Speaker 3: where you are like of what I think is like
Speaker 3: the true world, and it feels really nice, and then
Speaker 3: it goes away and you only get it for like
Speaker 3: one second, right the clouds return. But I think it's
Speaker 3: a good reminder just to to you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like a long way to say, touch grass. I
Speaker 3: guess we got off the internet everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more realistic and more truthful then all of
Speaker 1: the narratives that you'll see on MSNBC exactly since the
Speaker 1: election up until probably I don't know, three years from now. Yes,
Speaker 1: and now we can be unburdened by what has been
Speaker 1: and yeah, what has come before one spooky woods. So
Speaker 1: I've gotten really into birds Chelsea. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that we recently talked about was the raven call
Speaker 1: and like how ravens are really good mimics of human voices.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard like a raven copy of human's voice.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool and it did like made me think
Speaker 1: of you because it just feels like a real thing
Speaker 1: that must have caused like must have given rise to
Speaker 1: a thousand different urban LEDGITSHD in the sev eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: because they can mimic any human voice. They mimic like sounds,
Speaker 1: they mimic like the sounds of our electronics, and so
Speaker 1: just people walking through the woods and hearing like voices
Speaker 1: like coming in on the wind or you know, just
Speaker 1: doors slamming behind them in a place where like there's
Speaker 1: no doors.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, raven Like ravens are better mimics than parrots.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's one clip Jack played and even just
Speaker 2: like with them fucking with their like throat, they're like
Speaker 2: it just has like the most paranormal, freaky sounds that
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, and I'm like, now, if I ever get scared,
Speaker 2: we're inside.
Speaker 1: But like the voice sounds like it's coming from the
Speaker 1: bottom of the well in the ring, Like it just
Speaker 1: sounds like it's like even though the words are being
Speaker 1: spoken forward, it's like coming it's like backwards somehow. It's
Speaker 1: just so strange.
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's any way it could be loud enough.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not, but you know, the the bigfoot
Speaker 3: sound that everybody hears, it's like, I can't.
Speaker 1: Didn't be that loud. I mean it's like like aie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a little wookie a little bit. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: but they probably couldn't do that. Let me tell you guys.
Speaker 3: One woods thing. I went out again in the woods
Speaker 3: for my birthday and I was trying to find this
Speaker 3: abandoned gold mine, and I thought it was just going
Speaker 3: to be like, you know, like a hole filled in,
Speaker 3: like something stupid. And I was like, but it's a fun.
Speaker 3: It's always fun to like scavenger hunt for something full blown.
Speaker 3: Gold mine went so deep I couldn't keep going because
Speaker 3: I was alone, and I was like, my family will
Speaker 3: get me.
Speaker 1: I go to you people love me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't go, but I couldn't see the end
Speaker 3: of it. And I'm going to go back with a
Speaker 3: group of people.
Speaker 1: And really, do you have to worry about the structural
Speaker 1: integrity of like an old mine, because look, I love
Speaker 1: the gold places. I'm not allowed either. But like I
Speaker 1: first saw it as like what if this ship collapses
Speaker 1: on here, and this is the questions you get on
Speaker 1: our podcast because Miles and I are both parents. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were true.
Speaker 3: Thanks for parenting.
Speaker 1: I love that. It's so fun. I love it. I
Speaker 1: see it. I love the curiosity. I love the question floor. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I sty There's a story where a person got wedged in,
Speaker 1: like they were trying to crawl down through a cave
Speaker 1: and like got stuck there and like the authorities were
Speaker 1: notified and they're like there's nothing we can do, like
Speaker 1: they're they're just there forever.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: No, I won't go into it.
Speaker 3: I won't go into like a crevice of any kind.
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in the where humans have been before. Yes,
Speaker 1: Chester Copper pot Chester Copper pot, little Goony's reference for
Speaker 1: all the kids. Let's take it a quick break and
Speaker 1: we'll we'll come back and talk about some news. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back and we're back. I'm still spooky. I'm
Speaker 1: still spooky. I can't get the spooky as I deal
Speaker 1: with it. However, you got out of myself. Yeah, deal, motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: I'm still feeling spooky. Okay, it's a bad world. So
Speaker 1: this is a trend that I've noticed is people being like,
Speaker 1: why is everybody? I feel like this was happening before,
Speaker 1: but they, oh yeah, but it's a fresh round of
Speaker 1: maga victimhood. Yeah. I think they really had built up
Speaker 1: in their mind that they were going to actually get
Speaker 1: to drink our liberal tears out of their liberal tier
Speaker 1: coffee mugs. Yeah. Yeah, that there'd be like Eyemilking stations
Speaker 1: for you to just put your mug under and be
Speaker 1: like great, fantastic movie. Yeah. But yeah, I think people
Speaker 1: are more angry than anything right now.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, obviously, I think the twenty sixteen was absolutely
Speaker 2: just a shock because it completely went against all accepted
Speaker 2: wisdom in terms of how campaigns or politics work. This time,
Speaker 2: people knew what was at stake, and we're just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so we're truly like this white supremacist capitalist patriarchy that
Speaker 2: just will be.
Speaker 1: Like what are the options? First of all, hold on,
Speaker 1: you say black, No, So what are my other options? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fine with this other stuff. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm sure all of us we've read articles, seen tiktoks,
Speaker 1: seen anecdotes on social media about how people have cut
Speaker 1: off Trump voting family members this election, especially, Like you
Speaker 1: have stuff where there's like the grandmother's like, why won't
Speaker 1: you come to Thanksgiving? It's like your grandchildren are gay?
Speaker 1: Do you understand what you are doing? And they're like,
Speaker 1: but that's not why I voted for him, And they're like, you, mother,
Speaker 1: you don't what. And you see these like really.
Speaker 2: Frustrating exchanges happen, you know, and they're all being posted everywhere,
Speaker 2: but they're like you're also seeing things like searches for
Speaker 2: divorce have gone up, searches about child support have got
Speaker 2: like increased, like how much could I owe child support?
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying there's a tidal wave of divorces
Speaker 2: like like on the horizon or anything, but it's clear
Speaker 2: that as people have made their political choices clear, there
Speaker 2: has certainly been a lot of soul searching, and I
Speaker 2: think a lot of conservatives. There's like a lot less
Speaker 2: celebrating from conservatives, I think because the reaction has been
Speaker 2: so angry and been like this place is fucking cooked.
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh I'm so afraid from it's like this,
Speaker 2: holy shit, dude, this this thing is cooked fully. And
Speaker 2: they thought it was going to be like the crying
Speaker 2: like liberal meme from you know, twenty sixteen outside like
Speaker 2: a Trump protest, and they just seem to be totally
Speaker 2: caught off guard that people are just telling them. Their
Speaker 2: response is like, hey, Trump won.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, good, I hope you get a front
Speaker 1: row seat to all the bullshit that's going to inevitably
Speaker 1: hit everyone. They're like huh huh, whoa. And I think,
Speaker 1: because you know, a lot of the true MAGA supporters,
Speaker 1: all they all they know is like the sadistic pursuit
Speaker 1: of inflicting pain on your political rivals. That's it. They
Speaker 1: know nothing of actual governance. The whole thing is pain
Speaker 1: is pain, and now people so like so when people
Speaker 1: don't offer up the face water and instead they're just
Speaker 1: like saying stuff like yeah, do you know what the
Speaker 1: fuck you've done? Now, they're like confused and doing.
Speaker 2: Stuff like like like searching tariffs or you know what
Speaker 2: is denaturalization And they're just kind of now acting like
Speaker 2: a confused dog that has been scolded for like shitting
Speaker 2: all over the house. No, yeah, yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's just interesting to see this
Speaker 2: sort of energetic exchange happen because I think it really
Speaker 2: does reveal what it's like again that this was purely
Speaker 2: about being like, yeah, man, but like let's get Trump
Speaker 2: all wins, just to see how like how shit goes
Speaker 2: for everyone else, completely ignoring the fact that this is
Speaker 2: everyone is on the same is in the same but
Speaker 2: well most of it, aside from like the top like
Speaker 2: one percent are in the same boat here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was definitely I think added to that of
Speaker 1: fuck the system, like haha, look at the trip the
Speaker 1: triggered mainstream media, look at the triggered libs, Like whenever
Speaker 1: Trump says something that makes people like laughing point and
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of quiet right now, and it
Speaker 1: does feel and the mainstream media has just gone into
Speaker 1: a mode where they're like, we're wrong, We're sorry, we
Speaker 1: actually think he's smart now, and so yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like they don't quite know what to do with it
Speaker 1: until he starts fucking shit up again, but right till
Speaker 1: the pain is really tangible in that way.
Speaker 3: What a weird thing to go through your life just
Speaker 3: being like, oh, I hope I see someone fucking cry today.
Speaker 3: I just desire that so much. It's just such a
Speaker 3: like it must be it must feel really bad to
Speaker 3: be in that body of like a person that is
Speaker 3: just hoping for tears every day, like.
Speaker 1: If like yeah, if your like life force is restored
Speaker 1: by watching others suffer, like purely for like the sport
Speaker 1: of it. Like we're just in such a bad way.
Speaker 1: We're in a bad yeah, how our society is working
Speaker 1: and where empathy goes or just doesn't even come up
Speaker 1: at all. Jesse Waters on his show, admitted that his
Speaker 1: Trump support has also affected him too, And this is
Speaker 1: him on his show on Jesse Yeah, people.
Speaker 4: Are taking some space in the Water's household. I'll have
Speaker 4: you know that I was not invited to my mother's
Speaker 4: house for Thanksgiving. Apparently there wasn't enough room. She said
Speaker 4: it was a scheduling situation. And then at the last
Speaker 4: second invited me to come over on Black Friday. I
Speaker 4: told him, no, thanks, I'll be a best Buy, all right.
Speaker 1: At least he got that, you know, at least he
Speaker 1: got that in he'll be at best Buy? Will you?
Speaker 1: Will you? That's cool that he gets to like go
Speaker 1: on and say the insult he wished he had thought
Speaker 1: of to his mother, Yeah about it, like I And
Speaker 1: then I told my mom like, actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: fuck you, mom, Like that's thanks for nothing. Giving let
Speaker 1: me a Best Buy buying a Nintendo switch, like maybe
Speaker 1: two of them.
Speaker 2: Mom, I don't even care. That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna by iPad fuck you. Uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I think it's again. So many conservatives just clearly thought
Speaker 2: that there there are consequences of of electuring Trump were
Speaker 2: merely that just saying Trump won and not again the
Speaker 2: raft of policies that this brings, and it's just a
Speaker 2: very I don't know. I mean, like I guess, like
Speaker 2: you know, a part of me has always wondered, like
Speaker 2: what is it gonna take for most American people to
Speaker 2: understand like shit is bad and it needs to change,
Speaker 2: and like whatever insulation you think is protecting you is
Speaker 2: very tenuous.
Speaker 1: It is not. It is not gonna hold forever. And
Speaker 1: part of me is like I think, just.
Speaker 2: Like anything, especially American people, it's like we don't know
Speaker 2: until we've fully just fucking burned ourselves on the fucking
Speaker 2: fire that were like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh fire's bad. Oh everybody said fire's bad. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Man, my dad he was he's a fire guy, so
Speaker 2: I thought I could touch it, and now I'm burned.
Speaker 1: That maybe that like, I don't know, Like, it's also
Speaker 1: it's just also fucked up to think them like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe if enough of us suffer that we
Speaker 1: can move past it. But I think that's what also
Speaker 1: makes me a little bit weary when you see people
Speaker 1: gloating over the fact that people are about to suffer
Speaker 1: for the ill informed decisions or fully informed decisions they've made,
Speaker 1: because that is just fully like when all bets are
Speaker 1: off like that, that's truly when the system won't change
Speaker 1: at all, and people are going to just fully go
Speaker 1: to their corners and be like, well, if I have
Speaker 1: to kind of change my beliefs in this way to
Speaker 1: protect myself from that, as long as I'm not those
Speaker 1: fuckers getting completely beat down, then I'm fine.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's a very i don't know, yeah, very
Speaker 2: delicate balance that we have right now. And I totally
Speaker 2: get why people are fucking so angry because so many
Speaker 2: people have been talking. But again, I think this also
Speaker 2: speaks to the kinds of like who watches the news
Speaker 2: who doesn't, and just because it's being said over and
Speaker 2: over on MSNBC or maybe sixty percent of the time
Speaker 2: on CNN or something like that, that doesn't mean everyone
Speaker 2: is hearing that message either, and just but I get
Speaker 2: the anger that because this is going to bring so
Speaker 2: much suffering to many people that you want to be
Speaker 2: able to sort of singularly be like, yeah, well fuck you,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be all you, or it's all
Speaker 2: going to be the people who decided to vote in
Speaker 2: solidarity with Palestinian people, or it's all the fault of
Speaker 2: people who just felt that trans rights were actually human
Speaker 2: rights and those kinds of things. It's completely ignores like
Speaker 2: the real the damage that has already been done that
Speaker 2: we're not continuing to acknowledge. So I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: just precarious at the moment, and I hope that we're
Speaker 2: able to sort of, yeah, fully understand that, like the
Speaker 2: options aren't going to be let's point and laugh, but
Speaker 2: we actually are going to have to like resist in
Speaker 2: a way and not the twenty sixteen way of resisting.
Speaker 1: Like count the mainstream media to do, yeah, to be
Speaker 1: like such a big part of it, because they are
Speaker 1: badly weakened and also seem to be very easy to
Speaker 1: knock off the message and just be like wait, what, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess he's right yeaheah, Like I mean one of
Speaker 1: the historical presidents that what like was going through my
Speaker 1: head is like should this give me hope? Is that
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon was had just run for president for the
Speaker 1: third time in nineteen seventy two, his last election, he
Speaker 1: won five hundred and twenty electoral votes out of five
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight. He won five hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: electoral votes, sixty percent of the popular vote, and like
Speaker 1: just an all time like destruction. He was running on
Speaker 1: like a racist message like back then he called it
Speaker 1: the Silent Majority, but it was just very racist messaging.
Speaker 1: But people like also he was very like kind of personally.
Speaker 1: People were suspicious of him. He resigned in disgrace about
Speaker 1: like two years after being sworn at like less than
Speaker 1: two years, about a year and a half. I think
Speaker 1: things are much different now because we don't have a
Speaker 1: strong media and we don't have a media that anyone's
Speaker 1: going to listen to. I've also been thinking about two
Speaker 1: thousand and four and just how demoralizing it was to
Speaker 1: have George W. Bush re elected after like the Iraq
Speaker 1: War was happening. We knew there were no w we
Speaker 1: knew like that it was a disaster and he had
Speaker 1: lied to get in, and like the fact that he
Speaker 1: still won like fairly decisively was incredibly demoralizing. I just it.
Speaker 1: I think if this loss can be clarifying to people
Speaker 1: who aren't Republicans, I think that's the only thing that's
Speaker 1: actually because those historical precedents I think we're are just
Speaker 1: two different. Things are too kind of fucked right now,
Speaker 1: the information economy, like how people are getting their information,
Speaker 1: who like the weakness of the mainstream media. But like
Speaker 1: just the Democratic Party completely cratered in this election, and
Speaker 1: like maybe it needed to, and like it it feels
Speaker 1: like there are clear and learnable lessons for whoever is
Speaker 1: going to come next, whether it be the Democratic leadership
Speaker 1: or not. But I and like one of the lessons is,
Speaker 1: like you need to target, not like Trump can't just
Speaker 1: be the target. In fact, like it might be helpful
Speaker 1: to not make Trump the main target and instead focus
Speaker 1: on the mainstream Democratic Party, the billionaires who fund it,
Speaker 1: the mainstream media, because like those are all, truthfully the
Speaker 1: structural things that are standing in the way of getting
Speaker 1: like making any progress.
Speaker 3: Right, all things that have kind of started to swing
Speaker 3: right anyway, Yes, exactly, you know.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's just it's really bad right now.
Speaker 1: I've heard people say it's been bad before. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's ever been this bad. But you know, when
Speaker 1: things are bad, like things can swing in a hurry.
Speaker 1: And I think this party, like this Trump presidency is
Speaker 1: going to be an absolute shit show, you know of
Speaker 1: like billionaires like just grabbing everything that they possibly can,
Speaker 1: and we just need people who are willing to stay
Speaker 1: focused and what work locally. But also I don't think
Speaker 1: it's like and we give up now because Trump won
Speaker 1: this one election kind of convincingly. I think there are
Speaker 1: just like very a handful of very clear messages that
Speaker 1: you could run on, and like the Democratic Party completely
Speaker 1: fucking up in this last election might actually have like
Speaker 1: lit the way for like a future of like what
Speaker 1: not to do if anybody's willing to learn that lesson.
Speaker 3: But I feel like looking at the historical pressens is
Speaker 3: really comforting, even though it's you can't really draw a
Speaker 3: conclusion decisively, but like that's I think on American hysteria.
Speaker 3: That's kind of what we do as we go in
Speaker 3: the past and we say, okay, how is the past?
Speaker 3: How these through lines, continued on how do we then
Speaker 3: take these through lines and try to understand how they
Speaker 3: affect the present moment? And I mean what comes to
Speaker 3: mind too, is like Nixon and Bush, is that so
Speaker 3: much of their platform was like against protesting and against
Speaker 3: Vietnam protesters, student protesters, and Bush against Iraq war protesters
Speaker 3: and just using that. And now of course we're seeing
Speaker 3: that obviously with pro Palestine protests. And I think that
Speaker 3: that's like just that just came to mind as like
Speaker 3: a very clear thing that was happening in each of
Speaker 3: those elections, and it's just that's demoralizing.
Speaker 1: Cool, yeah, right, but again that was the Democrats this
Speaker 1: past Yeah, that was running the most clear like quote
Speaker 1: the quote that they were fucking putting on T shirts
Speaker 1: is talking now or like whatever she said when somebody
Speaker 1: tried to interrupt speech, Like, yeah, that was what they
Speaker 1: were fucking rallying around. I mean the Cheney like focusing
Speaker 1: on having like a Cheney endorsement was not like an accident.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that. It was part of their overall thing,
Speaker 1: which was, you know that they were going to be
Speaker 1: what neo conservatives were. They're like, yeah, we're going to
Speaker 1: be the old your grand you know, Trump swept to
Speaker 1: power on this not your grandpa's Republican party. We're going
Speaker 1: to be your grandpa's Republican Party. And it just again
Speaker 1: like seems like very learnable, huge swings and misses that
Speaker 1: in like retrospect of a week a week and a
Speaker 1: half are like, what the fuck were you good thinking? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so well.
Speaker 3: And Democrats did the same thing. Was the you know,
Speaker 3: with Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam. It's like there it's a
Speaker 3: more as a bipartisan issue, I think, And so it's
Speaker 3: kind of like just not.
Speaker 2: Right because yeah, the people who are objecting to the
Speaker 2: Iraq war fair few and far between you and those
Speaker 2: few people who have been like I actually knew that
Speaker 2: back then this was some bullshit. But again, the ye,
Speaker 2: it's when you're you're going against machines that have been
Speaker 2: fully in like just running at full tilt for decades now,
Speaker 2: and to just like one person is just going to
Speaker 2: get crushed by it unless you know, we have a
Speaker 2: more of a plurality of people that first of all,
Speaker 2: can articulate. I think that's the biggest thing, is being
Speaker 2: able to articulate what the danger is what the evil
Speaker 2: is because right now you have a lot of these
Speaker 2: establishment liberals offering all kinds of different explanations that are
Speaker 2: avoiding clearly articulating what where the rot is coming from.
Speaker 2: And it's a lot of stuff like, I mean, do
Speaker 2: we acknowledge that sex is a biological truth, but we
Speaker 2: also respect how other people want to like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: like get off that shit.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like we don't need to be so bothered
Speaker 1: by these kinds of things, or not that I'm bothered,
Speaker 1: but like the idea to think that other people are
Speaker 1: gonna be so bothered because guess what if your bills
Speaker 1: are paid and if your grandma doesn't have to toil
Speaker 1: till she's nobody five fucking years old, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: give a fuck if other people have their rights like
Speaker 1: or getting gender affirming care. That won't matter to one person.
Speaker 1: But when you are, when you are lacking so much,
Speaker 1: you start looking at what other people. Why are they
Speaker 1: talking about these people? What are we talking about my
Speaker 1: grandma has to work till she's eighty, Like how often
Speaker 1: are we seeing elderly people working so much? And you're
Speaker 1: this happens all the time. You see this everywhere you go.
Speaker 2: In to strangle Oh my god, I cannot like I
Speaker 2: can't believe this person is working, Like I can't believe
Speaker 2: that this person has to work, and we don't we're
Speaker 2: not taking care of our people.
Speaker 1: These kinds of these are the things that people see
Speaker 1: and reinforce these ideas that there's something has to change.
Speaker 1: But if you're coming in and because in this vacuum,
Speaker 1: because clearly the parties on its knees, you have these
Speaker 1: people trying to either prop up the same neoliberal nonsense
Speaker 1: that doesn't get to the heart of the matter, or
Speaker 1: trying to dismiss people who are actually clearly trying to
Speaker 1: articulate it, because that's truly gonna upset the balance of power.
Speaker 1: And in terms of what is the quote like left
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to describe this, And that's kind
Speaker 1: of the stage rat because you see you have like
Speaker 1: the Matthew Iglesiases of the world who are like these
Speaker 1: reporters who are all in on this centrist shit and
Speaker 1: they're like, I have a new I've behold my new
Speaker 1: manifesto that's like that's like so broad, but still filled
Speaker 1: with these things like still kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: bowing to the things that irk conservatives, and they're trying
Speaker 1: to thread the needle without like properly getting like to
Speaker 1: the heart of the matter, because so much of the
Speaker 1: stuff is about, like we need to have like a
Speaker 1: better social safety net, but not one of these points
Speaker 1: says that we need to tax the fuck out of
Speaker 1: the wealthy, right like exactly, that's fine, that's fine as
Speaker 1: an idea, But if we're not, if we don't actually
Speaker 1: buy in on how we get there, then that shit
Speaker 1: is just words. Yeah, it needs to be. You need
Speaker 1: to have a villain, you need to That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like the thing that trust like the first villain that
Speaker 1: Trump like killed, And I think it's the base that
Speaker 1: his entire movement is built on was the mainstream Republican
Speaker 1: Party as it existed in twenty sixteen. He talked about Cheney,
Speaker 1: he talked about Bush. He did he went against the
Speaker 1: mainstream Republican orthodoxy, and then from there was able to
Speaker 1: build his movement. Like the Democrats' brand right now is
Speaker 1: to change what they say based on what they think
Speaker 1: is going to be popular, Like that is what their
Speaker 1: brand is. Somebody needs to come forward and say that
Speaker 1: and fucking at attack, attack, and be the person who
Speaker 1: is opposing tru who is built on like you know,
Speaker 1: tearing the Democratic Party as it exists to the ground.
Speaker 1: Like they change their position on whether racism is bad,
Speaker 1: they change their position on whether immigration is bad, like
Speaker 1: based on what they think people are going to think
Speaker 1: about that, And that sends the exact opposite message from
Speaker 1: what people are responding to with Trump, which is like
Speaker 1: with Trump, the thing, like the free media that everybody
Speaker 1: talks about is the mainstream media saying how could he
Speaker 1: say that? Saying that is against the rules, but by god,
Speaker 1: he's saying it anyways, and that makes him look like
Speaker 1: principled and like he believes in something. The thing he
Speaker 1: believes in is fucking horrifying, But it does send a
Speaker 1: message of like authenticity at a time when like politics
Speaker 1: prior to this was defined by just like bullshit and
Speaker 1: obfuscation and like playing this game that everybody knew was
Speaker 1: a game, but they were playing it like they like
Speaker 1: we didn't know it was a game, so like it
Speaker 1: just there can't be like we we It's not just
Speaker 1: like we need somebody who focuses on economic populism. We
Speaker 1: also need somebody who focuses on how broken the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party has been up to this point and is willing
Speaker 1: to like say that out loud. The Democrats are still
Speaker 1: suffering from the fact that, like the last time they
Speaker 1: had a successful candidate who actually like touched on economic populism,
Speaker 1: that candidate then went and like bailed out the Wall
Speaker 1: Street banks in like during the financial crisis. That's like
Speaker 1: a people remember that shit too. People remember that and
Speaker 1: like you can't just come out and be like, well,
Speaker 1: this this policy here, it reflects like we could you know,
Speaker 1: and like come forward with more. It's complicated policies. You
Speaker 1: need a central message that is fuck what those people
Speaker 1: were talking about. Yes, Like fuck what Obama is talking about,
Speaker 1: because what he did was said hope and change and
Speaker 1: then poisoned the words hope and change by bailing out
Speaker 1: Wall Street and like doing the same shit that Clinton
Speaker 1: was doing. Like you need somebody who's willing to fucking
Speaker 1: stand on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because right now everyone who's been like you know,
Speaker 2: holding the banner up for the Democratic Party, they are
Speaker 2: not gonna they're not gonna let go. No, So they're
Speaker 2: they're gonna do whatever they can to say the right
Speaker 2: mix of words to make it seem like they're like, well, look,
Speaker 2: I'm Chris, I'm Senator Chris Murphy, right, you know, like
Speaker 2: I I and I do get what's happening, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say I get what's happening. But it's like, no, motherfucker,
Speaker 2: you are a fucking ghoul. You are also a creature
Speaker 2: of this political machinery that operates in DC, and you've
Speaker 2: done it faithfully, and there's no way that we can
Speaker 2: trust you because you've already compromised that like any values
Speaker 2: you've had. Because the thing is, any if you have,
Speaker 2: if your values are negotiable, you have no values.
Speaker 1: Right, That's plain and simple. If they're negotiable, you have none.
Speaker 1: You have none then.
Speaker 2: Because anyway, so I think I'm I'm looking forward to
Speaker 2: whatever this fight is going to be within the Democratic
Speaker 2: Party because it will be because that's also going to
Speaker 2: say a lot about what our future, like what our
Speaker 2: stakes are for the future.
Speaker 1: But if it's someone coming with that weak ass shit again,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh boy, yeah, just something that I find
Speaker 1: myself wanting to say. Like Democrats tried with Bernie, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let Bernie win. Yeah, that was a start, But
Speaker 1: like it's like we need to do better, we need
Speaker 1: to learn from that and move forward, Like it can't
Speaker 1: just be and that's the end. Sorry, Chelsea.
Speaker 3: No, I was just going to say, it's like I
Speaker 3: love all of this, and I just don't know how
Speaker 3: anyone breaks through the brick wall of the Democratic Party
Speaker 3: to actually run. Yeah, I don't know, and that's hope.
Speaker 3: Like maybe that's four years of whatever we're going to
Speaker 3: try to figure out.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's I mean, at this point, it's
Speaker 2: like you just have to outright be like I'm not
Speaker 2: going to fucking buy whatever the fuck you put in
Speaker 2: front of me.
Speaker 1: I don't get fuck what it says. If it's if
Speaker 1: it's coming from the same fucking place, I don't give up. No, No,
Speaker 1: I think it needs to come from outside, like I do,
Speaker 1: and I know it seems unlikely at this time, but
Speaker 1: so has so did you know the strength of the
Speaker 1: Sanders campaign, so did the strength of the Trump campaign.
Speaker 1: Like people like the system. The people are like begging
Speaker 1: for this message, and it might be that the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party is not gonna be willing to deliver it, but
Speaker 1: somebody needs to and I should be someone younger. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you know, Bernie definitely helped crack the door open.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he also did the thing
Speaker 1: that people do on Capitol Hill, which is like, let
Speaker 1: me duck low real quick. What was Biden doing? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna really speak up too much. Okay, oh
Speaker 1: y'all took an l I got something to say. No,
Speaker 1: Like that is just how shit moves in DC.
Speaker 2: And but at the same time, I think that the other,
Speaker 2: the other disconnect really comes generationally where it's like people
Speaker 2: need to really understand what people have been through and
Speaker 2: seen and what their prospects look like on the horizon,
Speaker 2: rather than octogenarians who are like, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: probably gonna die in five years anyway, so whatever that
Speaker 2: that doesn't help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, part of the thing that is making
Speaker 1: me like giving me not even a glimmer of hope,
Speaker 1: like a shard, like a little like a sparkle, a
Speaker 1: single sparkle of hope, is how weak the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: is right now and how definitive and clarifying this loss
Speaker 1: could be two people if like the messaging just starts
Speaker 1: coming consistently like this is what the people are saying,
Speaker 1: this is what the Democratic party isn't as currently constitute,
Speaker 1: isn't willing to say, and I don't know, hopefully hopefully
Speaker 1: something catches, but yeah, we should make a break and
Speaker 1: come back and make fun of Wheel of Fortune. And
Speaker 1: we're back, and at least we can laugh at this
Speaker 1: dumb asshole on we all fortune, all of our angers
Speaker 1: like this fun. I'm sorry, sir, you know I would.
Speaker 1: I did thee my one game show experience. I went
Speaker 1: on Jacquise's comedian feud like family feud with you know.
Speaker 1: My episode was like comedians and improvisers versus podcast hosts,
Speaker 1: and I got up there and did not I did
Speaker 1: not like have my I was like just fucked up.
Speaker 1: So like I get it, Okay, I get it. Ain't like, look,
Speaker 1: I love Wheel of Fortune because it's precisely one of
Speaker 1: these shows that you watch and you easily start pumping
Speaker 1: your own ego up and you're like, I am way
Speaker 1: fucking smarter than this motherfucker, are you for real? And
Speaker 1: there are those moments are like I got it and
Speaker 1: you say it out loud and then you've clearly used
Speaker 1: a totally like incorrect spelling that just only exists in
Speaker 1: your mind, and then you immediately take a seat because
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, that was before problematic things
Speaker 1: about Italian people. Have you seen the one that happened
Speaker 1: in May where the guy was talking about the butt.
Speaker 1: Does this real? I don't think so. Okay, I just
Speaker 1: want to I just want to highlight some wheel fortune
Speaker 1: people being very bad. I just want to make sure.
Speaker 2: I just want to get this out of the way,
Speaker 2: so we we realized that this is a thing that
Speaker 2: happens all the time. This is this is from May
Speaker 2: where a guy was trying to solve a puzzle again
Speaker 2: a phrase, and this is how he decided to solve
Speaker 2: the phrase tomorrows right in the butt.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Shocked they aired it this maybe blob.
Speaker 1: They write a number of letters in the first no,
Speaker 1: right the butt. Right, that's five letters right in the butt.
Speaker 1: I just love again. It's also like this weird rors
Speaker 1: test too. Right in the butt. I saw button. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie next to exclamation exclamation point, but just
Speaker 1: that this is something in the butt. The way this
Speaker 1: man's face fell, but he says it, no, wait, are
Speaker 1: you telling me it's not? Yeah, that's yeah. This is
Speaker 1: the best, great, great great.
Speaker 3: I love watching people catch up, like catch up with
Speaker 3: themselves after they've spoken, and you can see like hold.
Speaker 1: On right five, Like the shot it's like the shockwave
Speaker 1: from an explosion. It's like you saw it and then
Speaker 1: you're like huh and then it's like, oh, exactly right,
Speaker 1: yeah that was maybe that wasn't just the audio TV right.
Speaker 1: The audience is like, oh, I think the Wheel Fortune
Speaker 1: audience does tend to be even older than Jeopardy, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's the way I mean people who used to
Speaker 1: be able to keep up on Jeopardy and now they're like,
Speaker 1: I like my crush words right right.
Speaker 2: So Monday, there was a contestant that again in the
Speaker 2: time honor tradition of just taking liberties with a very
Speaker 2: well known phrase. This was what the board looked like,
Speaker 2: and again apologies for those of you listening to it,
Speaker 2: but it looks like a one, two, three, four, five
Speaker 2: six word phrase.
Speaker 1: And you're like, Okay, I'm starting to maybe figure out
Speaker 1: what the first is blank except for the E at
Speaker 1: the end. Second word is obviously yourself. Yeah, next a
Speaker 1: round of and then the next one a U S E. Ending.
Speaker 1: So this is how this puzzle was solved. I like
Speaker 1: to buy you well you're gonna get three u uk. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's feeling good and he's like, I think I know
Speaker 1: what this is. Okay, well let's hear it. Treat yourself
Speaker 1: a round of sausage. That's not it over to, okay,
Speaker 1: give yourself a round of a plause yourself a round
Speaker 1: of sausage. Like you hear him lose the confidence. I
Speaker 1: think he said no immediately to himself. Is that him?
Speaker 1: That was Seacrest? But I was like, Seacrest does too
Speaker 1: much of a professional to be like, oh, okay, this
Speaker 1: you get. I just love hearing going no. I like
Speaker 1: to solve a problem. Okay, well let's hear it. Treat
Speaker 1: yourself a round of sausage. No to say, treat yourself
Speaker 1: a round of a sausage.
Speaker 3: I'm so furious that Ryan Seacrest is the new host. Also,
Speaker 3: it's just there's gotta be someone out there.
Speaker 1: There's even hates doing this job.
Speaker 3: And he's been doing it for forty years now.
Speaker 2: Is he addicted to hosting? Like this man has just
Speaker 2: fuck you money? But you're still I mean, that's probably
Speaker 2: how What was that phrase from the documentary that Crofton
Speaker 2: Wassonis about was like a thirst like a starvation of
Speaker 2: popularity or something like that, that that that maybe encapsulates
Speaker 2: Seacrest thinking where he's.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, if I if I'm not hosting, I'll die
Speaker 1: more night numbers on the board. I was cursed by
Speaker 1: a warlock, I said, the moment I host less than
Speaker 1: five things. Well, that's why I'm here. Fuck, treat yourself
Speaker 1: around of sausage.
Speaker 3: I've been watching Celebrity Jeopardy or sorry, Celebrity Wheel Fortune
Speaker 3: with my granny every week when I visit her. Such
Speaker 3: an angel and yeah, we like I've grown to like
Speaker 3: Pat Sajack because it was his last like stint, and
Speaker 3: I never liked him. I was he always found like,
Speaker 3: I always found him very annoying, and but this time
Speaker 3: I was like, I love him. And now he's gone
Speaker 3: and it's Ryan Seacrest and he just doesn't have He
Speaker 3: doesn't seem human to me. He doesn't actually like interact
Speaker 3: with the subject in front of him really in a
Speaker 3: way that is meaningful to me. But maybe maybe I
Speaker 3: don't know Seacrest as well as I think. Do we
Speaker 3: have seacrest defenders in the house.
Speaker 1: Kind of floating through the world in a bubble of
Speaker 1: just like slick, you know, like it's just like everything
Speaker 1: nothing touches him. Maybe by design, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. You do not have a Seacrest defender in
Speaker 1: the house. You do have a pat say Jack hater
Speaker 1: in the house. I would recommend if if the feeling
Speaker 1: of missing him ever gets too hard, I would recommend
Speaker 1: just like googling some of his political.
Speaker 3: Oh good, Okay, I didn't know about if.
Speaker 1: You ever miss him too much. I remember getting so
Speaker 1: fucking triggered by seeing him in the behind home plate
Speaker 1: in the World series.
Speaker 3: I'm like, alright, I didn't know ship like, like.
Speaker 1: I think Johnny Carson had good politics, like these are
Speaker 1: just people who, like we didn't have to think about.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I went Carson. I'm not eighty
Speaker 1: years unlovable. You think Ed McMahon, I think my boy,
Speaker 1: Ed McMahon. Oh, you think you thought Bob Hope was
Speaker 1: doing it for the troops, doing it for the imperialism.
Speaker 3: I got one more good Wheel of Fortune mistake, and
Speaker 3: that was a friend of mine whose sister was on
Speaker 3: Wheel of Fortune and the puzzle was up. She tried
Speaker 3: to solve it, and she said salmon and wafers, but
Speaker 3: it was salmon and capers. It's not a great one,
Speaker 3: but it is like it was pretty devastating and we
Speaker 3: were all just watching it too, like, wow.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, just having my Sunday salmon and wafers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, delicious.
Speaker 1: I love those cookies, the ones that are like the
Speaker 1: little wafers and then they just filled with salmon in between.
Speaker 1: I just thin slice and you're like, are these strawberry?
Speaker 1: What is the fuck? And that's why they're fun. It's
Speaker 1: like the gum that turns your mouth black and great
Speaker 1: aff I do want too quickly. So we talked yesterday
Speaker 1: about how the Hairs campaign blew through a bunch of money.
Speaker 1: This being the video episode I do. We just have
Speaker 1: to watch this video briefly of the New York Fashion
Speaker 1: Week event that the Hairs campaign spent. Do we know
Speaker 1: how much money they I don't know how much money
Speaker 1: they spent on this, but it's it ain't cheap to
Speaker 1: throw an event during fashion Week, and this based on
Speaker 1: the amount of infrastructure that it wasn't just like hey,
Speaker 1: let's set up some tables at this other event like
Speaker 1: this was like, oh, you're invited to the Kamala HQ
Speaker 1: Fashion Week party. Generally, they spent one billion dollars and
Speaker 1: ended up twenty million in debt. I believe where we
Speaker 1: closed out, where'd that money go? We're about to see
Speaker 1: one of the places we talked yesterday there was like
Speaker 1: a bunch of like paid celebrity appearances. Like not necessarily
Speaker 1: they weren't like here's a briefcase of cash Oprah claimed
Speaker 1: that you vote blue, but more like we're going to
Speaker 1: pay for like to throw a concert or to like
Speaker 1: have a Oprah like show, like a livestream. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: basically like doing all the production for these massive media
Speaker 1: events with huge celebrities. And then they were also throwing
Speaker 1: sick parties like the one. You're about to see a
Speaker 1: lot of activations, a lot of activations.
Speaker 2: As we're like saying that these are called activations, Jack, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and this is a an activation this marketing speak right now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this like tech talker, who I think is
Speaker 2: from France based on his accent, is just kind of
Speaker 2: like completely gobsmacked at like whatever this is. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's just so again, this I think fully underlines how
Speaker 2: bad the decision making was and how over the top
Speaker 2: and out of touch.
Speaker 1: Jen O'Malley Dylan is one of those names that if
Speaker 1: they are attached in any way to the political cause
Speaker 1: that you are hoping get some tailwinds behind it, you
Speaker 1: might want to freak out because that's who ran the
Speaker 1: Hairs campaign. And let's see, let's see how that went party.
Speaker 2: This dude is so fashionable though, I just have to
Speaker 2: say that hat is I'm like, man, I never look
Speaker 2: like I'll never have that kind of sweat.
Speaker 1: It's like a little page boycotta how dystopian this. So
Speaker 1: there's a graphic on a dj boot.
Speaker 2: Abortion rights are hot the loads or whatever. This is
Speaker 2: a Jenga set where the Jenga pieces. The pieces are
Speaker 2: labeled national Abortion Band, far right, authoritarianism, cut medicare, no
Speaker 2: abortion ei in alls okay. And so it's a Djenga
Speaker 2: tower and each Jenga blode has a different right that
Speaker 2: might tumble to the ground. Yes, Donald Trump wins.
Speaker 1: It's precarious our situation, and we don't know if we
Speaker 1: remove one of these things, how the rest could tumbled.
Speaker 1: So on the nose and just fucking weird, and you
Speaker 1: can play. It's actual. It's a real thing. And so
Speaker 1: we'll go skip ahead a little bit. Oh yeah. Then
Speaker 1: there's the bar, the themed bar. There's also the cocktail
Speaker 1: Madam President, what is American forty seventh forty seventh president?
Speaker 2: But those are weak aster botties for Harristies for Harris.
Speaker 2: Then they're like, oh, then there's this one, the grab
Speaker 2: them by the dot dot dot like claw grabber game.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. And it's a bunch of cats in there.
Speaker 3: It's cats in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is good. Was that I just said?
Speaker 3: I was just asking if they were cats.
Speaker 2: In the Yeah, of course, of course it has to be,
Speaker 2: because it's a it's that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I have to say, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's where I would I would have been parked.
Speaker 3: I would have been parked there all night. I love
Speaker 3: claw machines.
Speaker 1: Turning the whole thing into like a Disneyland attraction. It's like,
Speaker 1: what what if the Simpsons had a theme park? What
Speaker 1: if then there's like property of J. D Vance Couch
Speaker 1: and I will never make another jd Vance Couch And
Speaker 1: like because all of the hotties what dude, who what?
Speaker 1: Who the fuck are what? Anyway, It's like one of
Speaker 1: those things too, where you can tell just by this
Speaker 1: setup that they are so flippant about the right center
Speaker 1: at Steak that they clearly didn't have. They the Steaks
Speaker 1: weren't even clear enough to them.
Speaker 2: But they're like, what if we memifi your lack of
Speaker 2: access to healthcare or having agency over your body?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what if those are games? Because that's how
Speaker 1: we look at it. I mean that's like what's revealing
Speaker 1: is that I think it goes into the fact that
Speaker 1: they think this was the this was the fucking wave. No, no,
Speaker 1: I do just want to take back. Earlier I was
Speaker 1: saying that, like the thing that was really off putting
Speaker 1: about the Democratic Party was that they made it seem
Speaker 1: like they were playing a game with like our rights
Speaker 1: and like you said, of like having actual convictions. But
Speaker 1: after I see the blue state red state plinko game,
Speaker 1: I have to take that back. They seem real serious
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah. Yeah, and I get like trying to
Speaker 1: make things fun or whatever, but again, who are these
Speaker 1: events for and who are you talking to? Because this
Speaker 1: is some this is some just echo chamber nonsense, like
Speaker 1: who's going to that and be like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 1: I went to the commum of fashion Week part already,
Speaker 1: I'm at fashion Yeah. So fucking nukes like ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of the electorate. And then then you're like you
Speaker 1: expect them to be like, oh, then they they grab
Speaker 1: them by the dot dot dot little kiddie grabber game.
Speaker 1: I just like, oh my, I'm like I get it now,
Speaker 1: I get it thanks to this fucking whatever this event cost.
Speaker 1: And that's just so infuriating. Where this is like, let's
Speaker 1: just talk to ourselves, and the people that are running
Speaker 1: the campaign are like, yep, this is where we need
Speaker 1: to be, this is where the markets to go boom.
Speaker 1: We are the last ten people to read Malcolm Gladwell's
Speaker 1: Tipping Point fifteen years after it's been debunked, and so
Speaker 1: we're actually trying to persuade the taste makers here and
Speaker 1: you will some maven some connectors, and we think the
Speaker 1: way to do that is with hotties. For Harris and
Speaker 1: what was the one abortion writes our hot spinning on
Speaker 1: an LED screen with like ms paint level like flames
Speaker 1: underneath it.
Speaker 2: This was definitely some power point ass like three D graphics,
Speaker 2: which I get. I know that's the like esthetic you
Speaker 2: know what I mean for like merch or like other stuff,
Speaker 2: but not sucks like this actually looks like abortion rights
Speaker 2: are burning up in flames.
Speaker 1: Yeah, abortion, and maybe that's what they meant. Did you
Speaker 1: ever think that about that, Miles? But yeah, they like that.
Speaker 1: They just have an innate capacity to take everything that
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be representing and like make it seem
Speaker 1: uncool and alien and inauthentic. Right, these things that are
Speaker 1: just like very straightforward, like these are things that matter
Speaker 1: to people, and it's like, well do they matter to you? Now?
Speaker 1: You know that I've turned them into a spinning graphic
Speaker 1: over fucking cartoon flames at a party with like people
Speaker 1: who all look like the bad guys from the Hunger Games, Like, now,
Speaker 1: how do you feel We're terrible? You've made the Seal
Speaker 1: terrible about all these things? I found.
Speaker 2: At first, I wasn't sure if this event was real,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, this surely has seem kind of like
Speaker 2: a piece of ass propaganda or something. And then like
Speaker 2: I looked because I saw reporting on it. But then
Speaker 2: I found like the website of a creative director who
Speaker 2: worked on this event and it was part of their portfolio,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is real. This is
Speaker 2: how they described it.
Speaker 1: Quote in addition to our love slash rules, pop up
Speaker 1: wall of Weirdos and Hall of Hotti's activations from the
Speaker 1: previous event. We added in some new creator moments. Creator
Speaker 1: moments okay, just photo ops for influencers, like a tattoo
Speaker 1: parlor with temp tattoos. I designed a reading nook with models,
Speaker 1: reading band books, phone booths where people could call and
Speaker 1: write to friends to encourage them to register to vote.
Speaker 1: Games including Your Rights Are Tumbling Project twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: Jenga corn hole where the bags are votes for Harris
Speaker 1: Wall's football toss, Wacko weird policy, grab them by the
Speaker 1: claw machine, and loads of little moments around the space
Speaker 1: to encourage voting. We also created a whole slew of
Speaker 1: new merch for the men, including jumpsuits, hat, sweatshirts, match
Speaker 1: boxes and more. Yay yay, yay yay.
Speaker 2: This was everything's on the line, but you still decided
Speaker 2: to do this ship of like what if we Like
Speaker 2: the people who did this were like, I want to.
Speaker 1: Be a fashion week. You know how we're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna throw a campaign there and that's it. That's that,
Speaker 1: that's it. The only person who thought this was good.
Speaker 2: Was because they wanted to stunt a fashion week and
Speaker 2: that's where the fucking money went. So like and then
Speaker 2: they and they're still asking for people for money.
Speaker 3: Did you guys notice that the model is reading bell Hooks?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's a guy.
Speaker 1: Guy? Was he shirtless? Shirtless guy? Shirtless shirtless guy? It
Speaker 1: was a woman? Was it? No? Could you imagine reading
Speaker 1: like the bellill woman for the guy the male model?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, wow, yeah, can you get that?
Speaker 1: We we do probably need to see the male model reading. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: the guy can't even He doesn't even look like. I
Speaker 1: don't mean to fucking disparagus me, he doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he knows how to read. He does have a shirt,
Speaker 1: he does have a shirt top, and.
Speaker 2: He's got his little Clark Kent glasses on, and yeah,
Speaker 2: all about love Bell Hooks.
Speaker 3: He's even got he's even got his finger on his chin,
Speaker 3: like hmmm mmmmm.
Speaker 1: Because he is an actor, he is a professional. He
Speaker 1: knows how to sell. Yeah, and then you asked the model,
Speaker 1: all right, so what was that book about? I had
Speaker 1: my I had a I had my glass eyes. The
Speaker 1: joke's on you. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say other than like this is the most illuminating
Speaker 1: thing about the campaign that I wish we had seen
Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, Like this actually looks
Speaker 1: worse than in that Maga fashion show. We were laughing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, because it costs because
Speaker 1: so much much and you got way worse. Also, shout
Speaker 1: out to that the dude who was singing there like
Speaker 1: it started dming me. He's like, I heard you talk
Speaker 1: about me on your podcast about my performance. I will
Speaker 1: see Yeah. I was like, all right, man, good for you. Bro.
Speaker 1: He's definitely like on some like hey, I'll take the
Speaker 1: attention and yeah yeah right that looked like that was
Speaker 1: up there with Fat Joe at the World Series. It's
Speaker 1: just like uncomfortable performances. Yeah, you're just like, now you
Speaker 1: got this guy reading bellhooks right and people he's seen
Speaker 1: his comfy Yeah yeah he's not he's not sweating. Yeah, Chelsea,
Speaker 1: what a pleasure of having you as always on the
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Speaker 3: Well, you can listen to American Hysteria anywhere. And uh,
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Speaker 1: Check it out for sure. It's a great show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 3: Well, hmmm, I've been really liking. I saw every horror
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about horror movies as always, but I
Speaker 3: saw every horror movie this that was in theaters, this, uh,
Speaker 3: this good October. Yeah, I'm doing important work. And Smile too.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna shout out Smile Too as one of the
Speaker 3: best horn theater, which I never would have thought. No,
Speaker 3: I think it's fantastic, So take my word for it.
Speaker 1: All right. And then best horror movie of the past
Speaker 1: like five years? What's Her? Not? Not like definitively but
Speaker 1: like just first one my opinion. Barbarian Barbarian, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: no one broke through those good one miles. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you their working media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, find me where they got at symbols, Miles of
Speaker 2: Gray also on Blue Sky.
Speaker 1: I think that's miles of Gray dot Besky dot Social
Speaker 1: I think that work. I don't know it just fine.
Speaker 1: Find me over there.
Speaker 2: I did one tweet or one one sky sky Blue
Speaker 2: one Sky Anyway, I just do appreciate that the feed
Speaker 2: looks normal, like you actually get stuff from the people
Speaker 2: you follow and people that might be relevant rather than
Speaker 2: like suddenly weird hacks on how to whatever.
Speaker 1: Let's see. You can also find Jack and I on
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Speaker 1: can also find me U dissociating on four to twenty
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Speaker 2: So check that show out. I do like a couple
Speaker 2: of tweets because they are just super dumb and funny.
Speaker 2: At user Moose on.
Speaker 1: Twt tweeted white people be like, yeah, just come in
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Speaker 1: I love that. Hey it's great, it's different. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love coming into the garage. I'm not gonna learn
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Speaker 1: tweeted Fisherman Kendrick Lamar Me and I rider trying to
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Speaker 1: Let's see, I don't think I've been enjoying much on
Speaker 1: social media. I did just go sign up for a
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Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as a song that we think
Speaker 1: you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you
Speaker 1: think people mind? Yeah, it's by the artist Kendreza q
Speaker 1: E and d R E s A.
Speaker 5: And her music's like kind of fusiony R and B
Speaker 5: sort of throwback kind of energy. It feels very like
Speaker 5: eighties R and B kind of stuff this and very
Speaker 5: like breathy vocals.
Speaker 2: Again, one of those songs where you hear it and
Speaker 2: it's like not so modern that it roots you in
Speaker 2: our world now, but maybe takes you back a couple decades,
Speaker 2: or you can pretend that you're.
Speaker 1: Not here right now. So this is too much The
Speaker 1: number two muc H by Kendreza. All right, we will
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