1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal Hell. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: be happy, you want to be happy for a day. 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woof woof? 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 3: And Dan and Tye. 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the salverbal boys and girls. 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 4: My name is ty Hildebrand joining me is always over 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 4: there and beautiful Chicago, Illinois. 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you? First of all, I 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: appreciate you introducing me, but if you could for the 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: time being moving forward. I just didn't clear this with 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: you before, but given the nature of today's show, I 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: figured it would be appropriate that you call me Dan Rubinstein. 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Presented by Gatorade Glacier Freeze. Nice, nice and nice, and 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: it's when you are feeling the heat of the moment 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: tie head for that Glacier Freeze. I just literally googled 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: gatorios to find the silliest sounding one, cherry riptide rush. 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: We're not being paid by Gatorade, and that thus ends 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: this promotion. I thought you were going to go Goldenpalace 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: dot com. That was a thing for a while, wasn't it. 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: Does it still exist? That's a no brainer. Well maybe 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: in the boxing arena. That becomes tricky with nil though, right, 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I guess because of the gambling inventation. Sure, yeah, of course. 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: And you don't want somebody, you know, being represented by 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: gambling interests as somebody who could affect gambling interests on 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: the field. One of many questions I have that hopefully 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: will be answered by our guest today. Our guest today 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: is Ross Dellinger. We've had them on before to talk 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: about big topics in the college football world. Ross of course, 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: from Sports Illustrated SI dot com. For those of you 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: wondering what are we talking about, It is nil day, Dan, 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: It is nil. 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 4: Day, July the first, twenty twenty one. What does that mean? 35 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: It means, in effect that college athletes in every state 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: should now be eligible to receive compensation for their names, 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 4: their images, and their likenesses. There are some states specifically Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: New Mexico, and Texas that do have state specific nil 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 4: laws that go into effect today, But there are many 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: other athletes and many other states that will in effect 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 4: again be able to cash in on their image. Ross 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 4: is going to be by here momentarily to discuss some 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 4: of what it means for the sport, what kind of 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: market is out there for some of these athletes? Stan, 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 4: What are your big questions about NIL? My big question 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: is nothing Ross can answer, but I think Ross can 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 4: certainly weigh in on from an educated perspective because he's 48 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 4: been reporting on NIL. The legislative aspects, the student athlete, 49 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 4: that's such a funny term, the athlete aspect, the school aspect, 50 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: the conference aspect. I'm curious to see, literally what is 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: the structure of Is it going to be conference level, 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: school level, NA level. That's still sort of a discussion 53 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 4: point because you don't necessarily want schools instituting rules for themselves, 54 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 4: and other schools are not. You know, the advantages and 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: disadvantage aspect of it is fascinating to me, like what 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 4: are the frameworks, what are the guidelines going to be, 57 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: What are the attempts going to be to sort of 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 4: not rein in anything, because I think, you know, football 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: players in our instance, should be free to pursue things 60 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: within reason the way that you and I are. 61 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I just want everybody on the saale, like everybody understands 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: the same boundaries, not necessarily financial boundaries, but the way 63 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: it's just everything operates. That to me is fascinating. And 64 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: then literally just the day to day of who's negotiating 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: the deals? Is it an agency situation? Is the school 66 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: in a part of that conversation? Like what does it 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: look like? And then it may be in the next 68 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: month and maybe the next year. What could go really wrong? 69 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: And not like in a like somebody being bribed a 71 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: million dollars or whatever, quote unquote bribe, but somebody being 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: paid a million dollars to go to a certain school, 73 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: that's whatever. But what happens if somebody doesn't get paid, 74 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: Like who is in charge of going to Gatorade and 75 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: saying you didn't pay me for my glacier freeze promo? Like, 76 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: what does it look like? What is the actual nut 77 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: and bolt of each athlete and their situation going to 78 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: look like? It's fascinating? It truly is. And I don't 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: mean this in like a negative way, which a lot 80 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: of people do, like it's wild, wild West, Oh all 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: is coming down. I'm excited to see how things go wrong, 82 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: not because I want them to, but how they get 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 1: fixed and how they get rectified and how the whole 84 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: thing takes shape. 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 4: We are now more than ever a society of dooms 86 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 4: scroller Stan. You've heard the term what can go wrong? 87 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: We talk about it every November, the chaos theory of 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 4: the playoff, of the postseason, of conference chan in ships, 89 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: of college football in general. That's why conference realignment, remember 90 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 4: that was such a big deal because things were breaking 91 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 4: down before our very eyes. This is a new variable. 92 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: For me is exciting because it's a new variable and 93 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's going to upset the competitive. 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: Balance and the sport as we know it. 95 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's finally going to be the 96 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: thing that topples Nick Saban and Alabama or Dabbos Sweeney 97 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: and Clemson. In all likelihood the answer is no. But 98 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 4: it is a new factor that we need to somehow 99 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 4: take into account, and hopefully Ross can help give us 100 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 4: a better idea for what it means in the short medium, 101 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: the long term. And just what he's hearing with his 102 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: ear to the ground of the college football world incredibly 103 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: fascinating me because we just don't get big things like 104 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 4: this coming through the sport all that often. 105 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: I want to see. I mean, this is listen, it's 106 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: all brand new. What types of deals can be made 107 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: not just I mean there's this sort of we're paying 108 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: you to show off our drink or our exercise band 109 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: or whatever on social media because you have a big 110 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: following on a local commercial for you know, I saw 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: Nebraska players have this opportunity with Runza, which is a 112 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: chain of casual restaurants. I have never been to a Runza. 113 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: My understanding is the famous runs of Sandwich is a 114 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: not paying us is a very popular thing there, and 115 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: so that's sort of a cultural element to the state, 116 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: which makes sense, right, Like Nebraska football is the show 117 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: in town. All due respect to whatever Creighton basketball or 118 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: whatever is in second place, but that's the show in town. 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: And so schools like that are going to have her. 120 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Athletes at schools like that are going to have opportunities 121 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: that are unique. What I'm curious about is is there 122 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: going to be an athlete that says, you know what, 123 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: why don't you just not pay me money and give 124 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: me three percent of your company? Who's going to get 125 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: a vitamin water fifty cent deal? This is a sharkkank 126 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: type of deal. Who's going to get the Keanu Matrix deal? Like, 127 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: are there going to be savvy negotiators either the players 128 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: themselves or representatives of the players themselves. Like somebody is 129 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: going to come out of this with like a yep. 130 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: They thought they were just advertising Strongman energy and they 131 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: took one percent of the company for their efforts, and oh, 132 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: Coca Cola bot Strongman for a billion dollar congratulations in 133 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Yeah, exactly, Like who is Like what 134 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: are the savvier plays going to be? Because I'm not 135 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: all that worked up about like, oh, the Riches's schools 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: are going to negotia Okay, okay, I am just curious 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: about what players specifically football, but this is happening across 138 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: many sports because we see athletes, you know whatever, gymnast divers, 139 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: soccer players with social followings, which is incredible that you're 140 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: able to sort of leverage your audience and make money 141 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: off of them like anybody else, but football players specifically. 142 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 1: What creative ways people are going to go about things 143 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: that to me is fascinating that I can't wait for. 144 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: Congratulations you now own fifty one percent of a local 145 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: used car dealership? 146 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: Can you go on cameo? Probably? Probably? 147 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? 148 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: Like what is the open Like, okay, who is the 149 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: most famous football player this year? Who is the based 150 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: on social following, based on just general audience awareness, who 151 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: would you say is the most famous college football player 152 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: playing college football in twenty twenty one this moment, I 153 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: don't know is spent? 154 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: I mean, Spencer Ratler is probably the favorite for the Heisman, 155 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: so he's got to be up there. 156 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler's probably up there. Sam Howell is probably up there. 157 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 4: De Eric King has been in the pipeline for about 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 4: fifteen years now, so he's had more than ample opportunity 159 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: to build up his social following. 160 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: Sure, and but I'm just talking strictly strict fame, Like 161 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: who is if they were walking on the streets of 162 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Seattle, Miami. Well maybe not Miami because that's 163 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: technically a college town. But who is the most absolute 164 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: recognizable person in college football? I mean Spencer Ratler? Maybe 165 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 166 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 4: I honestly don't know. But whoever that person is, there 167 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 4: is now a market for their services. Again, college athletes 168 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: effectively in all states starting today are able to receive 169 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: compensation for their names, images, and likenesses. Dana huge shift 170 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: in sport. I had the opportunity to catch up with 171 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 4: Ross Dellinger talk more about what all this means without 172 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 4: further ado, have a listen, don't forget to follow along 173 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: on social media for all the fun little tidbits that 174 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 4: we post out for the world to see. All right, 175 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 4: we are joined now by Ross Dellinger from Sports Illustrated. 176 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: Ross it is we're recording this on nil Eve. Many 177 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: folks will be listening to this on July. The first name, 178 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 4: image and likeness. It's a thing in terms of pure chaos. Ross, 179 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 4: shoot me straight here. Is this a bump in the 180 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 4: road or is this like the old school Sports Center 181 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 4: Y two K commercial with all hell breaking loose? Where 182 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 4: do we stand here? 183 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: Well, it probably is in between there, right, it's probably 184 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 3: not necessarily just a little bump in the road. 185 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 5: And as we sit here on the eve of the. 186 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: Nil Eve, you know, more brands, more and more brands 187 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: are kind of pouring into the market, if you will, 188 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: at the last minute. So I think it's going to 189 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: be pretty active, and so it's more than a bump. 190 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 5: In the road, I think. 191 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: But it is going to be a little chaotic because 192 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: everybody's playing by slightly different roles. 193 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 5: You know, schools can. 194 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: Create their own policy. If you're not in the state 195 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: with a law, and if you're in a state with law, 196 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: you got to follow the law. And the laws are 197 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: all different as well, so there are only slight differences though, 198 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: so but that there are still differences. So it's it's, yeah, 199 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: a little bit of an uneven playing field. 200 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 4: We are recording this shortly after news has broken that 201 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 4: the NCAA has adopted an interim policy of sorts right 202 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 4: that there are course a couple states that had passed 203 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: their own version of legislation. The NCUBA was racing to 204 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: try and put some some interim measures in place to 205 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 4: cover those athletes who played in different states. Where do 206 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: we stand now, knowing that this has passed, What do 207 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: we know about the rules that they passed? 208 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: Where does all that stand? 209 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? 210 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically what's going to happen is if you 211 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: for schools in states with state laws, they'll adhere to 212 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: the state law and every schoolill have their own little policy, 213 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: but they'll adhere to the state statute and stuff. But 214 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: for schools that are in states without a state law, 215 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: they will create their own policies in they'll do it 216 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: based on guiding principles that the NCAA released, And really 217 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: it's a very minimum list proposal at the NCAA release there, 218 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: they're really they're really letting. 219 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 5: You know, the schools do their own thing. 220 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: Uh. 221 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: The only real guiding principles state that you know, you 222 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: you can't enter into pay for play type stuff, right you. Uh, 223 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: you can't pay for play, No recruiting inducements. Uh, no 224 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: quid pro. 225 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 5: Quo type thing where it's compensation for for work. 226 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: And that's pretty much it. So you know, it's uh, 227 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: it's up to the schools and they have to create 228 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: their own rules and they can be as restrictive or 229 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: pretty much as liberal as they want as long as 230 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 3: they stay inside those guiding type principles. 231 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 5: The NCAA, at least. 232 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 4: We did a mini series ross where we did a 233 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 4: breakdown of what the conference decision making looked like from 234 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 4: the conference level with regard to COVID, and there was 235 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 4: a sense maybe early on of camaraderie, but the closer 236 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: we got to the actual start of the season that 237 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 4: went up and spoke, everyone went their own separate ways. 238 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 4: I get the sense from the reporting that you've done 239 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: on this very particular issue about NCAA involvement that that 240 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 4: was again a bit of the case where we kind 241 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: of had warring factions here. We had some who thought 242 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 4: the NCAA should be a little bit more heavy handed. 243 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 4: We had others who thought that maybe they should be 244 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 4: a lot less restrictive. Are we to imply then that 245 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 4: we came down on the less restrictive side of the 246 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: fence here with what they ultimately decided on. 247 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 5: Yes, by by far. 248 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: So Basically what you had is you had two. 249 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 5: Proposals of the NCAA was. 250 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: Examining, exploring, and one of them has been worked on 251 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: for two years, and it is a more restrictive proposal, 252 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: a permanent legislative proposal. With that is you would restrict 253 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: athletes from a number of endorsement type deals, including using 254 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: school marks and logos and things like that. 255 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: So you had that, and then you had the very 256 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 5: liberal minimalists whatever you want to call it. Guidance. 257 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: It's kind of a temporary solution into a federal law 258 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: can be passed by Congress. 259 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 5: And the NCAA obviously decided to go with. 260 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: The latter because the former they believed opened. 261 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: Themselves up to more lawsuits, and it. 262 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: Was the Alstin case and decision that really led them 263 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: down that road. Allston and the language, in the opinion 264 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: of Allston, open up the NCAA to more anti trust 265 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: lawsuits if they adopt legislation that restricts athletes from earning 266 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: an IL in any way. And so instead of passing 267 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: a full length policy that they've worked on for two years, 268 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: they went with this very kind of dumbed down temporary 269 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: solution that only offers schools guiding principles, basically basically washing 270 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: their hands of the issue and putting it in the 271 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: hands of the schools. 272 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 273 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 4: I think you tweeted out that the nc doublea's guidance 274 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: in Layman's terms, was we don't want schools to get involved, 275 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: but if you do, it's sort of at your own discretion. 276 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: You can do kind of whatever you want, Yes. 277 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 6: Correct, right, exactly, It's that's that's basically what they're saying is, 278 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 6: uh is you should you should not. 279 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: Get involved, but if you do get involved, well you 280 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: know that it's probably going to end poorly for you. 281 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's so funny because as college 282 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 4: football fans, we live in this constant economy of chaos 283 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 4: where weird situations and I don't know, doomsday scenarios sort 284 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 4: of make the whole thing tick based on what you're 285 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 4: seeing now from the NC double a level from some 286 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 4: of them. Sure, what you've together over the course of time, 287 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: just covering the story, what's the gray area for you? 288 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: What's the area that's most ripe for disaster? 289 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, some of these states are going 290 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: to create state laws that are going to potentially be 291 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: a lot more permissive for athletes than the state laws. 292 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: So they'll create rules that are going to be a 293 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: little different. And I can tell you a lot of 294 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: it involves, which you just we've just talked about the 295 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: institutional involvement, right, how involved the institutional can be, because 296 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: it's kind of up to an institution to kind of 297 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: put in their rules if they are going to be 298 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: involved in out and so that is certainly. 299 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 5: An issue. 300 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: Another issue is as athletes wearing the school marks and 301 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: logos during endorsements. You're gonna have some schools that are 302 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: going to allow that with a proof from the school 303 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: and others that won't allow that. So that'll be a 304 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: big difference too. So there'll be these differences for sure. 305 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: And then at some point I'm sure that we're going 306 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: to have a student sue a school over restrictions over their. 307 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 5: Own rules, and then we'll have to deal with that. 308 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 4: We've already started to hear about deals being cut. Some 309 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 4: athletes have started announcing them on Twitter. All student athletes, 310 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 4: as you tweeted out in the state of Nebraska, are 311 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 4: going to have offers from the Runza restaurant chain. I 312 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 4: feel like we're going to hear all sorts of strange 313 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 4: scenarios and pairings in the very immediate future. But do 314 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 4: you have any sense for what that marketplace actually looks 315 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 4: like out there? 316 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: No, not really. 317 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 5: I think what you're going to see. 318 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 3: Is they're really top, top top. These star athletes right 319 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: are going to sign some pretty big deals, pretty significant deals, 320 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: are going to sign with agents. And then you're going 321 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 3: to have those with large media followings and a lot 322 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: of women athletes have. They're going to make pretty significant 323 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: money too and enter some pretty big deals as well, 324 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: and then you're going to have a big gap right 325 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: until you get to the other players. So those star players, 326 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 3: those with social media big social media phones, could make 327 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: in the six figures, there's no doubt annually. But then 328 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: there's going to be a big drop and you're going 329 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: to have ninety to ninety five percent that you know 330 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: are probably maybe not even going to crack the the 331 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: five figure mark. 332 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know, but we just don't know. And 333 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 5: that's the thing. It's it's everything's everything's a little uncertain. 334 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 4: Right now, What is the rule around agents, because these 335 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 4: players obviously need to be protected if they're entering into 336 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 4: any kind of extended agreement, maybe not just like the 337 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 4: simple open doors thing that they would find online on 338 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 4: their own, but if they're negotiating some sort of larger contract. 339 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: How how does the NCAA now view that relationship. 340 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: Well, you can have a marketing agent, but not one 341 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: that agent cannot uh can that represent you in the 342 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: on the pro level. 343 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 5: There can't be any extension. The contract can't go through 344 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 5: your college career, I don't believe. 345 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: And the representative of the agent can't represent pro players, 346 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: I don't believe. So you can have a marketing agent 347 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: just for college, and I think you know, some big, high. 348 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 5: Profile athletes really already have that. 349 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: Now they haven't officially signed the deal, but they already 350 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: have that. So so you can you can have that. 351 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: But it gets tricky, you know, because some you know 352 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: agents that can be agents and so you're going to 353 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: have some issues probably that we'll run too down the 354 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: line here with agents final question. 355 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 4: I know it's been a busy day for you, Ross. 356 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: We appreciate your time. What are the boundaries for endorsement deals? 357 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 4: It seems like that may also be gray areas. So 358 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: for example, where do things like I don't know, private 359 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: plane rides or players even getting equity Let's say in 360 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 4: a small company cashless benefits, Where do things like that 361 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: come down with respect to nil? 362 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 5: All those things would be allowed if they are not deemed. 363 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 7: Recruiting inducements or pay for play in The schools themselves 364 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 7: are the ones that would be in charge of determining. 365 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 3: That, And it's kind of an ambiguous thing and it's 366 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: really kind of tough to determine. So you're going to 367 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: trust the schools to determine if a kid at a 368 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: restaurant got a free meal because he tweeted about being 369 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: at the restaurant, or did he get the free meal 370 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: because he's a star quarterback. Ye, he doesn't pay for 371 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 3: meals at hometown. So you're going to have you're going 372 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: to have a lot of that. You're going to have. 373 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 5: A lot of that. 374 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 3: But that has to be reported to the school, and 375 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 3: once the school gets it, if they deem it some 376 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: kind of unsavory or something, I guess they could report 377 00:20:59,359 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: it to the NCAA. 378 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 5: That's going to be the process. 379 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 4: There are going to be a lot of compliance departments 380 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: on eggshells over the next couple of years to say, 381 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: until they get more of a system around this. This 382 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 4: is uh wow, talk about a culture change. 383 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 5: Right, indeed, very much so. It's crazy. 384 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: Ross Dellinger from Sports Illustrated SI dot com again, very 385 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: busy day for you. We appreciate your time and we'll 386 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 4: talk soon. 387 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thank you all right, And. 388 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 4: As a special bonus to talk more about Nil, very 389 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 4: pleased to welcome back longtime friend of the podcast, host 390 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 4: of his own podcast, The Hand in the Dirt Podcast. 391 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 4: Also a pizza man like our good friend Dan Rubinstein, 392 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: Mister Michael Felder joins us here on the Cliverble Sir, 393 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 4: how are. 394 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 8: You I've good? I mean I would I'd say Dan's 395 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 8: the pizza man. I'm the I'm a pizza boy, you 396 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 8: know pizza. 397 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 4: So I have to ask the question then, So Dan's 398 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 4: little pizza operation is Valley Circle Pizza Yours This clever 399 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 4: Girl Pizza who named their pizza operation? 400 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 8: First, Oh, Dan, for sure he did it. And then 401 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 8: on hand in the dirt he coerced isn't the right word, 402 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 8: but I will say he vehemently urged me to come 403 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 8: up with a name. 404 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: And to do a thing. And clever Girls what. 405 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 8: We all settled on, because clever Girl is a reference 406 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 8: to Jurassic Park and that's my kid's favorite. 407 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Movie, the Velociraptor. 408 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: Right, oh yeah, clever Girl. 409 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: All right, So Niel, you're a former player, talk me 410 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 4: through a player's mentality here of this legislation. So this 411 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 4: has sort of been stirring. It's finally here as of today. 412 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 4: Most folks are listening to this on July the first. 413 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: Not everybody out there is going to get a big 414 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 4: money deal, but a lot of people will. What is 415 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 4: your mentality if you're a player signing on with the school. 416 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 4: Maybe you're already with a school, but how are you 417 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: approaching this? 418 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: Michael? 419 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: I think there's three different levels. 420 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 8: I think one is that big level that you reference 421 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 8: with the NCAA football game, which I don't know if 422 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 8: people know this, but guys in the NFL they all 423 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 8: get Madden checks and so if the game were to 424 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 8: come back, if you're in the game, then you should 425 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 8: get an inn C doublea check, a check for them 426 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 8: putting you in the video game. And EA has already 427 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 8: been willing to do that, the NCAA would not let them. 428 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 8: So I think that's the first part. I think the 429 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 8: second part becomes social media more so than anything, and 430 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 8: that's a part that I don't think a lot of 431 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 8: folks realize. I think social media is going to play 432 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 8: such a humongous role in this via whether it's Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, 433 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 8: what have you, where you do your sponsored post and 434 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 8: you're able to generate revenue that way. And then I 435 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 8: think the third part are local deals. And local has 436 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 8: two meanings to me, because ty local can be local 437 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 8: where you go to college, or local where you're from. 438 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 8: If you're the first player to come from, you know, 439 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 8: BFE somewhere, maybe that car dealer wants to do a 440 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 8: thing with you, or maybe that restaurant wants to do 441 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 8: a thing with you, or any of those things. And 442 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 8: I think that's going to be a really interesting element 443 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 8: to that. It's one of the things prior to the 444 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 8: n cuba's ruling that I had a lot of questions 445 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 8: with questions with with Nicole auerback from the athletic because 446 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 8: and she brought she's the one that broke the news. 447 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 8: But I was like, but if you do a local 448 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 8: deal in Florida, and Florida has already legalized it, but 449 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 8: you play football in Wisconsin. Can you do a deal 450 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 8: in Florida and then not have it count against you 451 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 8: in Wisconsin. So the nc DOUBLEA really took a big 452 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 8: step forward, and you know, they big step forwards. Wrong, 453 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 8: they got out of their own way really right. 454 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's interesting. So I just spoke with Ross 455 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 4: Dellinger from side dot com, who's been also doing a 456 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 4: ton of reporting on this, and the most interesting angle 457 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: to me is that the NCAA was forced to make 458 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 4: a choice. They knew that this legislation was to go 459 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 4: into effect July one, and they knew that they couldn't 460 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 4: have some schools that could do it and others that couldn't. 461 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 4: They had to put some sort of intermeasure in place 462 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: in lieu of any federal legislation. That's why they're doing this. 463 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 4: They had a choice. The choice was either be really 464 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: restrictive or be really not. Interestingly enough, they went with 465 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 4: a really not approach, and that's incredibly fascinating on a 466 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 4: thousand different levels, not the least of which is there 467 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: is a ton of gray area with this, Michael, there's 468 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: so much gray area. I asked him about private plane 469 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 4: rides or equity in companies, all these different ways of 470 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 4: paying a player. There really are no rules. All the 471 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: rules state is that if you're a school, don't make 472 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 4: it pay for play, don't make gets some sort of 473 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 4: improper benefit from the recruiting standpoint, but pretty much everything 474 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 4: else is on the table, which is bonkers and such 475 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 4: a culture shift from where we were at just like 476 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 4: five minutes ago. It's amazing. 477 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's I mean, think about when when, like when 478 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 8: you guys started this show, when I started getting into 479 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 8: the writing and then obviously transitioned to doing video television, 480 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 8: everyone was completely against it for the most part. One 481 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 8: of the best stories that anyone could do over the 482 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 8: course of the year was see we caught these guys 483 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 8: getting impermissible. 484 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: Benefits, right right, Yeah. 485 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 8: And it's shifted to you know what they should at 486 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 8: the minimum, they should be able to profit off their names. 487 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 8: And I'm I'm quite curious to see how this is 488 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 8: worked out with jersey sales. 489 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: Oh right, right, because. 490 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 8: People aren't going to stop buying jerseys. But if your 491 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 8: university is licensed through whether it's Nike or it's Adidas, 492 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 8: or it's under Armour, but that's your jersey, do you 493 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 8: get the feed. 494 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: Off of that? 495 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 8: Because I think that's another element that hasn't been discussed 496 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 8: nearly enough. Everybody is so focused on the video game 497 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 8: and then social or these like big deals for high 498 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 8: profile players. So I'm very curious to see how that 499 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 8: all works out. But yes, it's a massive culture shift 500 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 8: that we've seen in the last probably ten to fifteen years. 501 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 8: And I do think that there is there's a level 502 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 8: of college football operates with paranoia in a big way, 503 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 8: the idea that the other guy might get better before 504 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 8: I get better. And I think paranoia is what drove Florida, Washington, California, Georgia, 505 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 8: any of these states to push the envelope because they're 506 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 8: worried about what the other guy might do. And ultimately 507 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 8: that tip that forced the uncaa's hand. And then obviously 508 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 8: the Supreme Court ruling didn't push nil, but what it 509 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 8: did do was say, guess what, there's going to be 510 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 8: a lot more bullets coming, and I hope you're ready. 511 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And. 512 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 8: So what we're seeing is an inc double A. I 513 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 8: don't think that the INABA is starting to crumble, but 514 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 8: I think what we're starting to see is they're going 515 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 8: to have to do their job. And maybe their job 516 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 8: isn't policing kids from getting money. Maybe their job is 517 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 8: finding ways to make sure that kids don't get taken 518 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 8: advantage of, because, as you mentioned, the equity and the 519 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 8: investment opportunities. I don't want to see a kid lose 520 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 8: money getting trapped in some sort of a weird crypto scheme, 521 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 8: right like, I don't want to see that, And that's 522 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 8: the way you protect athletes in this current landscape. 523 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: I'm still very amazed at the fact that this is 524 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 4: all basically because of a lawsuit that originated because of 525 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 4: a video game. 526 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: And c DOUBLEA Football. 527 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 4: The college football video game series through EA Sports could 528 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 4: end up being one of the more consequential sports related 529 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 4: things in our lifetime, and it was entirely for reasons 530 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: that nobody saw coming. But because of the lawsuits that 531 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 4: arose as a result of that title, public opinion has 532 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: changed in a very big way in a short period 533 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: of time, even to the extent that schools are now 534 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: openly support of NIL. I don't know if they actually 535 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 4: feel that they have to be on the side of this, 536 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 4: because nobody wants to be on the wrong side of it. 537 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 4: But how do you expect programs to lean into this 538 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: and again, put on your player hat for a second, 539 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 4: how do you think that will be received by players 540 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 4: who maybe are recruited by some schools who have leaned 541 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 4: more progressively into the legislation. 542 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 8: I think leaning into it is the most important thing 543 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 8: that a school can do, and I do think that 544 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 8: schools are legitimately supportive of it, whether you look at 545 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 8: Purdue or Nebraska, or Florida or Alabama, or any of 546 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 8: these schools that already have the whole the situation, like 547 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 8: whether it's a course situation where they have courses set 548 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 8: up for you to understand brand management, or they have 549 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 8: facilities set up for they have Florida has a podcast studio, 550 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 8: They have a podcast and a music studio set up 551 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 8: for student athletes, basically waiting for this to happen so 552 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 8: that they can monetize what they have. I think it's 553 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 8: I think being on that side of it is incredibly 554 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 8: important Alabama's partnered. There are several schools that have partnered 555 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 8: with representation firms, firms that are able to, you know, 556 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 8: help you not just maximize brand, but let you know 557 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 8: if this is a good deal or a bad deal. 558 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 8: So I think leaning in is the good thing because 559 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 8: they sit in your living room and this is me 560 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 8: putting my player hat on time. They sit in your 561 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 8: living room and they tell you we're gonna help you 562 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 8: prepare for your future after football, basketball, gymnastics, whatever it is. 563 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 8: We're going to prepare you to be an adult. We're 564 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 8: going to prepare you to do xyz. And so this 565 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 8: is part of them making good on that. And whether 566 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 8: it's window dressing or lip service or it's for real, 567 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 8: the reality is you better have at least the mechanisms 568 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 8: in place to get the job done. 569 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, schools taking up an active part in 570 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 4: this would be like the richest possible outcome because for 571 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 4: so long it was the institutions arguing on behalf of 572 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: the scholarship and its value to the student athlete. Now 573 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 4: to take on a more active role, which they will 574 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 4: have to do out of necessity, because like you said, 575 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 4: they're all paranoid they're all trying to keep up with 576 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 4: the jones. That to me is such a twist and 577 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 4: such a cultural shift in the sport that I would 578 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 4: expect in the. 579 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: Very early going. 580 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 4: We will see incredible ingenuity. We will see incredible creativity, 581 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 4: Folks pushing the boundaries of the gray area what does 582 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 4: or doesn't constitute any kind of improprieties as far as 583 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 4: the NCAA sees it, we are definitely going to have 584 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: some period of time here like we do in every 585 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 4: new bursioning industry, to be honest, where nobody knows which 586 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: end is up. Folks are doing whatever they damn well please, 587 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 4: and we're going to be reading about a lot of 588 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 4: interesting stuff. 589 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: Like three years from now. 590 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, there are going to be growing pains. There 591 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 8: are going to be people who slide through the cracks, 592 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 8: people who kind of get shut down for things that 593 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 8: they probably shouldn't have been shut down for, which is 594 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 8: going to be interesting. I think the camp industry is 595 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 8: going to be remarkable. I'm curious to see if Nike 596 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 8: gets back reinvested in the camp industry, to be quite honest, 597 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 8: I know they've kind of backed away from it in 598 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 8: the last like three years. 599 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: So you're talking about like Elite eleven type of stuff. 600 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: Bingo. 601 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, like those guys want to out there for free, 602 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 8: Like I don't know for people that don't know what 603 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 8: I've done or what I do, Like I've gone to 604 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 8: the I went to the Elite eleven. This is one 605 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 8: of my This is the second year I haven't gone 606 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 8: to the Elite eleven. 607 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: Third year. 608 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 8: I haven't gone to the League eleven in the last 609 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 8: like decade. But Deshaun Watson or. 610 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: JT. 611 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 8: Barrett, even Notre Dame Malik Malik Zaire all those like 612 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 8: those guys go back there for free. 613 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: Well, you're your guy, Trace McSorley was there. 614 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 8: Well, they go back there for free, like they the 615 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 8: flight is, they don't have to pay for their flight 616 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 8: or their room and board, but they go back there 617 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 8: for free to teach these kids and try to help 618 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 8: these kids out. And now they've got an opportunity to, 619 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 8: you know, make a little coin. So I wonder if 620 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 8: that whether it's Adidas, or it's under Armour, or it's 621 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 8: or it is Nike, or could be even Russell Athletic 622 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 8: or Champion, who knows, but somebody else jumps into the 623 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 8: game to get these guys back out there and actually 624 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 8: put a little money in their pocket while they're still 625 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 8: in school. I think that's another element of this that's 626 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 8: pretty interesting. And then on a more local level, one 627 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 8: of my really good friends is a girl, Jennifer Perkins. 628 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 8: She was the North Carolina player, the Gatorade Player of 629 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 8: the Year for soccer, and she got to just go 630 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 8: back to her own, her own high school and do 631 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 8: a soccer camp. That's a chance for her to put 632 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 8: some money in their pocket that doesn't exist right now. 633 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 8: Same thing with whether it's lacrosse, and I know that 634 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 8: this is obviously it's a college football podcast, but I 635 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 8: think a lot of folks don't realize that those quote 636 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 8: unquote non revenue sports have humongous followings, and women's sports 637 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 8: especially have huge followings because they know where the source 638 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 8: is to get the information that they want. 639 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 2: It's not going to be on ESPN. 640 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 8: So they have to find it via social whether it's 641 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 8: Facebook or it's Instagram or it's Twitter. They have to 642 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 8: find it there and they are are rabid followers. And 643 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 8: I think that's going to be another element that can 644 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 8: be a real big positive. And seeing I don't know, 645 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 8: seeing women's sports seeing Olympic sports, seeing non rev sports 646 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 8: kind of on the come up, I think is a 647 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 8: big part that also hasn't been considered. But it's definitely 648 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 8: it is going to be the wild wild West. It's 649 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 8: going to be folks finding ways, and I guess at 650 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 8: the end of the day, the big thing for me 651 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 8: is going to be I just I'm looking for some 652 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 8: sort of advocacy for these kids, because I mean, look, 653 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 8: you're you and I would have We're in our thirties, right, yep, 654 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 8: and we work hard to not get ripped off, and 655 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 8: I just don't want an eighteen year old to get 656 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 8: ripped off. 657 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: That's the only That's the thing I'm looking at now. 658 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 4: You know the thing that I think about too, Nil 659 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 4: We talk about this frequently through the lens of endorsements. 660 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 4: You know, it's legal now for kids to go out 661 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 4: there and sign on with to. 662 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 1: Whoever in Nebraska. 663 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 4: But the law here, at least per the ruling by 664 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 4: the Supreme Court, is really broad in the sense that 665 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 4: it's saying no, they can just make money. They can 666 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 4: do things, not just endorsements. So half the podcast you 667 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 4: listen to have Patreons yep. Could the quarterback at Toledo 668 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 4: decide to do a Patreon. I believe this means he could. Yep, 669 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 4: it's just a whole new territory. 670 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 2: I've thought about that a lot too. 671 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 8: Hell our guys Bud Elliott and Chip Patterson over at 672 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 8: Cover three for CBS, they were like, ship us some merch, 673 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 8: Well we'll do We'll do. 674 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: Ads for you. 675 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, like to sell, like for people to sell, Like 676 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 8: you can sell your own merch instead of having the 677 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 8: school sell merch for your Heisman campaign, you can sell 678 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 8: your own merch. 679 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 4: Well and Graham Mertz, Graham Mertz has a trademark now Bingo. 680 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 4: I saw bohannan basketball player from Wisconsin, is partnering with 681 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 4: a company. So as this becomes more and more of 682 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 4: a thing over the next few weeks, you'll undoubtedly hear 683 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 4: about more endorsement deals and partnerships that are that are 684 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 4: popping up. 685 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: But wow, what Yeah, what a time to be alive. 686 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 2: Man, It's amazing. 687 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 8: It's one of those things that growing up I never 688 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 8: thought we would see because everything was so rigid, But 689 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 8: now people have really come around to it, and I 690 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 8: think it's really, to be quite honest, it's and I'll 691 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 8: wrap up here real quick, But to be quite honest, 692 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 8: it's been really cool to be a part of that 693 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 8: media world that's made the big shift from maybe we 694 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 8: shouldn't be like chasing down how these kids are breaking 695 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 8: your rules, and maybe we should be pushing against the rules. 696 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 8: That's been maybe one of the best parts of being 697 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 8: in this space at this time. 698 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 4: Stick it to the man, right, stick it to the pan, 699 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 4: all right. Michael Felder Handed the Dirt podcast, longtime friend 700 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 4: of the Solid Verbal make sure you check him out 701 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 4: his podcast, all of his social media feeds. Appreciate you 702 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 4: hopping on here with me on on short notice to 703 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 4: talk about this. I know it's a topic that you're 704 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 4: passionate about, so yeah, we'll talk soon. 705 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: Man. Sounds good, man, Thank you so much for having me. 706 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 4: Take it easy, all right, big thanks again to Ross 707 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 4: Dellinger from si dot com and our friend Michael Felder 708 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 4: from The Hand in the Dirt Podcast. More to come 709 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 4: on this moving forward, how it affects college football. A 710 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 4: lot of this is a great unknown. We are playing 711 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 4: without a net here to some extent. It will be 712 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 4: very interesting to follow this story as it progresses over 713 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 4: the course of the next few months, certainly over the 714 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 4: course of the next couple of years to see how 715 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 4: it evolves. But a momentous day anyway you want to 716 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 4: look at it. What are you doing for the fourth 717 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 4: of July? By the way, I'm not sure yet. Actually 718 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 4: I'm trying to fire the up outside. Yeah, I'm might 719 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 4: try to play some golf, not sure. 720 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: Not sure. How about you having some friends over to grill, 721 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: gonna do burgers and dogs, and I'm gonna make my 722 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: my blueberry crumble, which is always delicious. I think I'm 723 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: gonna really go for it on the top of the 724 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: crumble above the oats, the sugary oat top layer. I 725 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: think I'm going to go for it with some berries 726 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: and maybe like a lemon icing a design of some kind. 727 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: You know, I'm feeling creative this here. That's great. I 728 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 1: wanted to mention again. 729 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 4: We received a ton of great feedback on my suggestion 730 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 4: about being an omelet chef. Okay, everybody, it was fantastic. 731 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 4: Nobody was in yours. I will accept your apology whenever 732 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 4: you are ready. So you are saying that you will 733 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 4: be a full time This is a discussion. If you 734 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: didn't listen, and bless you if you didn't, If we 735 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 4: had to take a full time job that only involved 736 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 4: working on our feet with our hands, nothing digital. You 737 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 4: think that just a dedicated omelet professional is a career 738 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 4: that you could you could find somewhere. Yes, whereas I 739 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 4: think in nicer hotels, maybe they're doing breakfast from what 740 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 4: time to what time's six to ten eleven. 741 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: Listen, I just think you. I think it has to 742 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: be omelets. And that's all. That's all I'm saying. 743 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 4: I don't know how you choose to run your quote 744 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 4: unquote nicer hotel. Yeah, but I'm catering to a different 745 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 4: social class, Dan. These are premium omelets that I bring 746 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 4: to the equation that I offer as part of my 747 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 4: specialty chef services. Yeah, and this is how I choose 748 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 4: to spend. 749 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: My carrier on a briefcase with your pan. 750 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 4: That's exactly, that's exactly right. Like a pool queue when 751 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 4: you take it to the bar, I have my pants 752 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 4: with me, a massuse with their foldable table, exactly. It 753 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 4: all goes in the back of the suv. Here's the 754 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 4: way this thing works. You said a six months sabbatical. 755 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 4: We never said it had to be a real omelet chef. 756 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 4: Is where I'm going with this. 757 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: Do you know what now that you say it out loud, 758 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: I still don't think that you could get this job 759 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: in a restaurant or hotel without also doing something else. 760 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: But I think now that people are you know, you 761 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: can get like somebody to come out to your home 762 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: and with like a pizza oven, right and do a catering. 763 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: They're making pizza in their backyard, or they're doing you know, 764 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: they're bringing a smoke er over and smoking like that. 765 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: Maybe you have a niche where you bring your own 766 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: like portable range whatever. You know, your your electric stovetop situation, 767 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: you have your own table. I wonder though, how many 768 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: burners you could have going at once? Right if you 769 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: are taking requests, like you could be making multiple pizzas 770 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: at once. With the right size oven, you could be 771 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: smoking multiple briskets or ribs or whatever. But it's a 772 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: delicate dance the omelet game. Right, you're checking the how 773 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: cooked each side is, you're filling at the same time 774 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: you're folding, you're turning. How many pans could you imagine 775 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: you could you manage excuse me, how many burners at once? 776 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 777 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: I could probably do five at once. Get out. I think, 778 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: what are you talking about you're a crazy person. You 779 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: could manage five omelets at various stages of cook at once. 780 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: I could, I could, I could do that. I think 781 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: we're going to need to film this somehow. 782 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 4: I could definitely do that because you've got one well, 783 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 4: you've got one pan of the toppings. 784 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: You're cooking up the toppings in one pan. And you 785 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: can pre cook that, couldn't you? 786 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 4: You could pre cook that too, sure, But if you're 787 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm advertising a level of freshness. 788 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: I think that really makes it a premium breakfast experience. 789 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 2: You know. 790 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 4: So I envisioned one pan that has one big pan 791 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 4: that has all my toppings in it. You know, presumably 792 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 4: they're not things that you can't mix together. They're all 793 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 4: going the same place anyway. 794 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 1: And are you solo or do you have an assistant? 795 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: I hadn't considered the assistant angle. Well, I mean, this 796 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: is a business that you're starting, right, You're it might 797 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: have to be two people just to prove a point. 798 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. If you were to set up a stream, 799 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 1: a video stream of you and your kitchen, and people 800 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: were to give you omelet requests on the fly, one 801 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: after the other, live on the stream. You think you 802 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: could pull off four at a time. Yeah, I assume 803 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: you have four burners on your range. I could I 804 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: could do that. Yeah, do you have enough pans to 805 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 1: do it? 806 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 4: I do not enough pants to do it. Okay, I 807 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,760 Speaker 4: do not enough pans. That could be an issue, but yeah. 808 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: I think you were telling me one you could take 809 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: live requests and when the first of the four is finished, 810 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: you're plating that and you're making a new one as 811 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: the three others are cooking. 812 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 4: This is this is turning into an I love lucy 813 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 4: cookies on the conveyor belts. 814 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: I don't know how you're You're claiming five and now 815 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: you're doubting four. 816 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 4: I'm claiming five pans, not five omelets. I'm claiming one 817 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 4: pan with toppings four omelets simultaneous. 818 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: Oh are you saying somebody else is constructing and you 819 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: are forming. No, No, I'm making. 820 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 4: I'm just saying there's five pans total, one pan of 821 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 4: topping and four pans of eggs. 822 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: I would do it for you. I just don't want 823 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 1: to waste the eggs. Well, I mean, have people over 824 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: so they can eat your omelets. I just think it's 825 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: you're playing a very dangerous game of whack the mole here, 826 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: all right, Well, write in soliverable at gmail dot com. 827 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts on this and other controversial 828 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: matters related to you. You've never worked in food service, 829 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: or have you? 830 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 2: I have not? 831 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: No, it's it can get harrowing and stressful, but it 832 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: also trains you right to work under stress and directs. 833 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: So okay, I believe I could do it, Dan, I 834 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: believe I could do it. That's an unbelievable claim, and 835 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: I love that you've made it. 836 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 4: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, 837 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 4: for myself, Ty Hildebrand, thank you so much for downloading, 838 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 4: for listening, for supporting the show. 839 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: We will be back next week. 840 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 4: In the meantime, wherever your Fourth of July holiday takes you, 841 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 4: please stay safe, stay healthy, and as always, stay solid. 842 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 2: Hace