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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio, Richard.

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Speaker 2: Before the break, you were explaining to us sort of

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Speaker 2: the process for this Star Team program that had a

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Speaker 2: contract with Big Low Aerospace, which was the contractor for

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Speaker 2: the DA So Move On would get eight hundred or

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Speaker 2: so reports a month and then you whittle him down

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Speaker 2: to fifty or so of the best that goes to

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Speaker 2: the Star Team.

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Speaker 3: Is that right, Yeah, that's exactly what they did. And again,

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Speaker 3: those people were watching that database on a twenty four

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Speaker 3: to seven and so when a case would come in,

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Speaker 3: they'd verify it the best they could. Like an example

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Speaker 3: of that would be one night that report came in

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Speaker 3: and it was in the person said they were a

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Speaker 3: Catholic priest, and so when we did the background check

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Speaker 3: on it, the phone number came up in the middle

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Speaker 3: of a big Catholic church complex. So we're like, okay, that,

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Speaker 3: you know, that probably validates that he is who he

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Speaker 3: says he is that kind of thing. And so they

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Speaker 3: go through that validate all the information they could, and

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Speaker 3: then we'd end up with about fifty really good cases

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Speaker 3: that we'd work with, and we'd send investigators to to

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Speaker 3: interview them, and then ultimately a final report and we'd

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Speaker 3: go to bath and then once it got on their

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Speaker 3: side of the mirror, then they would look at it

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Speaker 3: and maybe go back out and interview the person again,

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Speaker 3: or do medical tests or whatever they wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: How many of those cases do you think you personally investigated?

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Speaker 2: You went out into the field and dug into.

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Speaker 3: I was on, I was on some I would we

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Speaker 3: had basically what we did. We had fifty people that

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Speaker 3: we designated as investigators, people that we trusted and wanted

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Speaker 3: to work with, and I would send them out Sometimes

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Speaker 3: I like, like there was a couple like, for example,

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Speaker 3: there was a case up in New York where it

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Speaker 3: affected a car, and Invescare went and looked at the case,

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Speaker 3: and then I went back. Once I got everything together,

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Speaker 3: I went back out and interviewed the guy second time myself.

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Speaker 3: There's i'd say probably about twenty of those cases I

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Speaker 3: personally was involved in in some respect, you know, where

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Speaker 3: I actually talked to the people and the whole the

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Speaker 3: whole idea with it was we had we had the money.

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Speaker 3: We were getting fifty seven thousand dollars a month from

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Speaker 3: that contract, and so you know, An example would be

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Speaker 3: I was at the time, I was living in North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: The case came in, it was in Texas and the

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Speaker 3: case they contacted me at ten o'clock in the morning

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Speaker 3: about the case, and at six o'clock that evening, I

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Speaker 3: was in the guy's backyard. Oh man, So that's we

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Speaker 3: could move fast.

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Speaker 2: It makes all the difference in the world to have resources,

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Speaker 2: to have the money to finance the trips, to have

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Speaker 2: the people screening the calls, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, the people screened the calls. And then we

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Speaker 3: had all the resources that we had an operations person

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Speaker 3: that would basically make airline reservations, hotel reservations, that kind

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Speaker 3: of thing, ship equipment to them, and it was very

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Speaker 3: well oiled and we could move really fast, which is

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Speaker 3: what you have to do if you want to get

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Speaker 3: on something quick. You want to get there before it

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Speaker 3: gets out in the media and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Some of these cases are pretty sensitive. But of the

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Speaker 2: ones that you can talk about, hit me with, hit

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Speaker 2: me with one that our audience would be bowled over

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Speaker 2: by hearing about.

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Speaker 3: Well, there was I know in the book that you

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Speaker 3: guys wrote, The skin Walk of the Pentagon. You referenced.

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Speaker 3: One of the cases referenced in there I actually worked on.

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Speaker 3: The individual was basically he's at home and he hears

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Speaker 3: the dog barking and he goes outside and there's a

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Speaker 3: huge triangle shaped craft hovering over his backyard. And there

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Speaker 3: was a lot to it. But what he did was

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Speaker 3: he took one of those real bright spotlights and put

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Speaker 3: it up on, you know, tried to like the craft

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Speaker 3: up and when he did that, a real hot white

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Speaker 3: beam came down and burned them. You know, we entered

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Speaker 3: when we went to when I went to see him,

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Speaker 3: really interesting case. And you know what, I'd say, there

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Speaker 3: was some pretty good physical evidence there because of the

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Speaker 3: of the one of the best cases I've ever worked

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Speaker 3: on was an individual. He was a psychiatric doctor that

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Speaker 3: worked night turns. So he's it's midnight and he's on

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Speaker 3: fift feet above his car, and it's rotating. And when

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Speaker 3: that happens, everything in the car goes out. The headlights

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Speaker 3: And he said it sounded like a cat purring, which

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Speaker 3: is pretty common in some of those encountercases. But what

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Speaker 3: he did was, he said, at first he was curious,

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Speaker 3: him telling me. He says, I wasn't sure if you

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Speaker 3: get out of the car, should I run or what

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Speaker 3: you know? And and by the way, the answer is

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Speaker 3: always stay in the car. But he opened the door

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Speaker 3: and when he looked up at it it disappeared, and

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Speaker 3: you know, I said to him, well, did it fly

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Speaker 3: don't know. I just stepped on and get what happened

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Speaker 3: was when it disappeared, the car came back on. And

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Speaker 3: very strong magnetic field around it. Investigator told when he

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Speaker 3: static cling like you get when you take a sweater

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Speaker 3: we did tests on it and it had a very

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Speaker 3: strong magnetic field around the car. And the thing that

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Speaker 3: I think was most interesting about the case was the

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Speaker 3: guy told us that you know, I said, well, when

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Speaker 3: and I said, so, you mean the engine started. He said, no,

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Speaker 3: I was trying I might help me understand that. What

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Speaker 3: do you mean? And he said, it was like if

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Speaker 3: I said, you mean the motive that you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: crank and then start. He said, no, it's just running again,

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Speaker 3: which is really really interesting.

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Speaker 2: So these things are real. There are physical consequences. They're

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Speaker 2: not imaginary. People didn't dream them up. It's not an illusion.

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Speaker 2: It's not a dream.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: These these things were real and in cases that you investigated,

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Speaker 2: there are physical consequences both on people and on machinery

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yes. And you know, people will get their their

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Speaker 3: physiological symptoms. People have various health problems, sickness, you know.

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Speaker 3: One of the most common ones is people say it tastes.

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Speaker 3: I had a taste that its tasted like my mouth

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Speaker 3: was full of pennies. It had a real strong copper

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Speaker 3: taste to it. You know, things like that, burn marks

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Speaker 2: So that is part of why you realize that it's

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Speaker 2: a physical reality, that it has consequences, which is part

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Speaker 2: of the reason you wrote this book for first responders

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Speaker 2: right too, because the time may come in the careers

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Speaker 2: of first responders, police fire when they come up upon

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Speaker 2: a scene where some level of expertise would be needed.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think part of the purpose in writing the

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Speaker 3: book was because the people that in law enforcement are

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Speaker 3: not trained about this. You know, I've worked in law enforcement,

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Speaker 3: both on the state and the federal level, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I went through the police Academy and all the government

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Speaker 3: with I was on the Anti Terrorist Task Force. There

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Speaker 3: isn't one word of any training ever about in any

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Speaker 3: of that. Police officers are just simply not trained about it,

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Speaker 3: as if it didn't exist. And what I'm what really

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Speaker 3: prompted me to write the book was I was talking

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Speaker 3: and he was, you know, he's asking what I'm doing

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Speaker 3: I call him to write books about He's like really

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Speaker 3: interested in it, and you know, and he said, would

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Speaker 3: you come and talk to my guys? And I just

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Speaker 3: now that it's in the public domain and it's real

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Speaker 3: and people realize it's real, a lot of these sheriffs

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Speaker 3: I wrote the book, there's a little bit about the

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Speaker 3: history in the book and how it's all developed. And also, uh,

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Speaker 3: there's a a more realistic scenario, like if if there

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Speaker 3: that there's been some kind of a toxic spell or

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Speaker 3: certain tests looking for radiological information and you know, electromagnetic fields,

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Speaker 3: ultimately it's got to be packed up and transported out

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Speaker 3: of there. And so so at least if the people

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Speaker 3: that read my book would least understand what's going on

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Speaker 3: with it that you know, and and also I put

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Speaker 3: a chapter in there about what to do and not

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Speaker 3: do if you ever encounter this kind of stuff, because

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Speaker 3: as we know that there's certain there's there's certain hazards

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Speaker 3: to one of those things, so the things like you know,

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Speaker 3: if there's a if there's a craft that's hovering, you

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Speaker 3: don't want to walk underneath it because the electrogravitic fields

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Speaker 3: ground and it's still powered up, it may there may

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Speaker 3: No, No, I think you'd want to keep your distance

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Speaker 3: if you approach something like that, you want to have

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Speaker 3: thinking that you're going to go to guns on somebody,

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Speaker 3: And it's it's kind of a hard concept for some

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Speaker 3: want to project you know, an error compassion and you know,

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Speaker 2: People who are not well versed to the subject, I

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Speaker 2: think it's all imaginary and are unaware of that. There

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Speaker 2: are some serious injuries that have been reported by people

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, exactly, and and and that that does happen.

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Speaker 3: And in in in my in my first book, which

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Speaker 3: depending on how the encounter unfolds, particularly you know, having

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Speaker 3: having interviewed many abductees a lot of times that when

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: seems like many of the things that happen, if not

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Speaker 2: that over the years. Did you investigate anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that, you know, working with the bass team,

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Speaker 3: that we that they would convey to me is that, yes,

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Speaker 3: there have been people that were injured, but it wasn't

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Speaker 3: by deliberate intention. It's like, you know, somebody walked under

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Speaker 3: it wasn't because they deliberately injured them. But there are

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Speaker 3: of light came down. Generally. That's another thing I put

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