1
00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on normally to show normal

2
00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,320
Speaker 1: it takes. But when the news gets weird.

3
00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,639
Speaker 2: I'm not half of him, and I am Carol Marco.

4
00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,280
Speaker 2: It's hi, Mary Catherine.

5
00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:10,800
Speaker 3: How are you.

6
00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm all right. It's the end of the school year,

7
00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,640
Speaker 1: and you know that, like just everything stacks up, stacks up,

8
00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,920
Speaker 1: stacks up, so running around, but good things.

9
00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,880
Speaker 4: Are good, all right?

10
00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a lot of like they have

11
00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,640
Speaker 2: all those days, like you dress up like this today

12
00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:26,320
Speaker 2: and like.

13
00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have like end of the year parties and

14
00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,160
Speaker 1: end of the year ceremonies and in the year performances and.

15
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes to all that. I had to buy

16
00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,320
Speaker 2: napkins for my youngest son's class party. I always choose napkins. Yes,

17
00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,000
Speaker 2: I am that mom.

18
00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,319
Speaker 4: But I was.

19
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,800
Speaker 2: Very pleased to learn that grown ups were not invited

20
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,920
Speaker 2: to that party, something I only learned this morning.

21
00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, we love a drop It's great. We love

22
00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,560
Speaker 1: a drop off. When they get old enough for the

23
00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,320
Speaker 1: drop off, I'm like, go forth, children and enjoy.

24
00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,200
Speaker 4: Have so much fun. So elon Musk.

25
00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,400
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about him in a while, ever since

26
00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,280
Speaker 2: our number one fan. My husband said that we were

27
00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,640
Speaker 2: talking about him too much. See we respond, Yeah, we're

28
00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,280
Speaker 2: very responsive to listener needs, especially if I sleep with you.

29
00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:25,760
Speaker 1: There you go.

30
00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,840
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he thought we were doing too much Doge.

31
00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,840
Speaker 2: And then Doge itself stopped being in the news so much,

32
00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,319
Speaker 2: so we stopped talking about it as much. But it's

33
00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,920
Speaker 2: still happening. They're still dozing away and Elon Musk is on.

34
00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,520
Speaker 4: He's going to be on I believe.

35
00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,560
Speaker 2: A Sunday show this weekend, and he is not thrilled

36
00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,880
Speaker 2: with the Big Beautiful Bill.

37
00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,000
Speaker 4: We have this clip for our listeners.

38
00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,240
Speaker 5: I was like disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly,

39
00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,960
Speaker 5: which increases the bunch depths that not doesn't decrease it,

40
00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,520
Speaker 5: and that reminds the work that the Noge team is doing.

41
00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,520
Speaker 2: I actually thought that when this big Beautiful Bill came along.

42
00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,639
Speaker 2: I mean, like everything he's done on Doge gets wiped

43
00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,520
Speaker 2: out in the first year.

44
00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,480
Speaker 5: I think, I think a bill can be can be

45
00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,560
Speaker 5: can be big, or it can be beautiful, but I

46
00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:22,840
Speaker 5: don't know if it could be both.

47
00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:25,720
Speaker 4: Same same agree.

48
00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,080
Speaker 2: I like some things in the Big Beautiful Bill, like

49
00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,880
Speaker 2: the tax cuts. I feel like there's also this sense

50
00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,040
Speaker 2: online that if you criticize the bill, then.

51
00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:34,960
Speaker 4: You don't like the tax cuts.

52
00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,080
Speaker 2: No, I like the tax cuts.

53
00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,280
Speaker 4: I just don't like a lot of the other stuff.

54
00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,400
Speaker 1: Well, and people who criticize Elon will lump the tax

55
00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,519
Speaker 1: cuts in as a cost as spending. Just spending, maintaining

56
00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,880
Speaker 1: the tax codes for people as they are is preventing

57
00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,880
Speaker 1: a giant tax hike on them and must be done.

58
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,840
Speaker 1: The government has a spending problem. It does not have

59
00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,840
Speaker 1: a collect money from us problem, exactly.

60
00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,480
Speaker 2: So Stephen Miller, who is an advisor to Trump, he

61
00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:06,000
Speaker 2: had this.

62
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:06,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to I'm going to read.

63
00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 2: It's kind of a long tweet, but I feel like

64
00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,440
Speaker 2: it does a good job explaining some stuff that I

65
00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,560
Speaker 2: don't think is clear to some people. DOGE cuts are too.

66
00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,360
Speaker 4: Discretionary spending e g.

67
00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,000
Speaker 2: The federal bureaucracy under send a budget rules, you cannot

68
00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,760
Speaker 2: cannot cut discretionary spending, only mandatory in a reconciliation bill.

69
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,880
Speaker 2: So DOGE cuts would have to be done through what

70
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,040
Speaker 2: is known as recisions package or an appropriations bill. I'm

71
00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,320
Speaker 2: not going to read the rest, but you get that right.

72
00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,840
Speaker 1: So those Yeah, reconciliation is a very specific process and

73
00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,520
Speaker 1: basically no one except for the parliamentary and understands what

74
00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,720
Speaker 1: can go in this bill, right, I'm willing to give

75
00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,280
Speaker 1: some leeway. I understand that, in order to maintain the

76
00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,120
Speaker 1: tax package from twenty seventeen and not give everybody a

77
00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,160
Speaker 1: giant tex hyke, that this bill was probably going to

78
00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,600
Speaker 1: get big and obnoxious. I understood.

79
00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. The fact that dog cuts have to happen through

80
00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,600
Speaker 2: the recision package though, and apparently that requires a letter

81
00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,760
Speaker 2: from the President with the instructions to what recisions he wants.

82
00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,320
Speaker 2: As of this recording, no.

83
00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,480
Speaker 4: Letter has been sent.

84
00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,560
Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to be mad at spending, I'm

85
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,960
Speaker 2: afraid the book stops with the President on this one.

86
00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,160
Speaker 1: Well, and Speaker Johnson has also signaled today, given that

87
00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,799
Speaker 1: people are upset about this, that they would he would

88
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,440
Speaker 1: move to consider this quickly. I do think that so

89
00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,440
Speaker 1: the President is welcome to write it, and I think

90
00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like he would he would be on that.

91
00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,760
Speaker 1: But I do worry that, like, you know, how much

92
00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,080
Speaker 1: do they actually have time for and actually complete during

93
00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,840
Speaker 1: this basically first year that you have to do things.

94
00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,760
Speaker 1: I think they're looking at possibly getting this big, beautiful

95
00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,680
Speaker 1: bill through the Senate, probably big leer by the time

96
00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,960
Speaker 1: it will be big by maybe July, or like keeping

97
00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,120
Speaker 1: people until the August recess and trying to do it

98
00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,440
Speaker 1: by then. So you got to have steam to get

99
00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,520
Speaker 1: the other stuff done and not have ticked off everybody

100
00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,600
Speaker 1: while doing the big bill.

101
00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,160
Speaker 4: It's quite a tough process.

102
00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,520
Speaker 2: Eric Erickson clarified a little bit about the recision letter.

103
00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,400
Speaker 2: He tweeted, if Congress does it without a decision letter

104
00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,560
Speaker 2: from the President, it follows the normal process and is

105
00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,360
Speaker 2: subject to the filibuster. If the President sends a letter,

106
00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,240
Speaker 2: it follows the Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four

107
00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,200
Speaker 2: and bypasses a Senate filibuster. It's so confusing to the

108
00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,640
Speaker 2: average person, like recision letters and filibusters. It's really not

109
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,240
Speaker 2: a process that we should be proud of.

110
00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,839
Speaker 1: No, it's on one hand, it's supposed to be tough

111
00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,080
Speaker 1: to get stuff through the Congress, so I like that.

112
00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,240
Speaker 1: Right when Democrats were blithely like, let's just get rid

113
00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,680
Speaker 1: of the filibuster, a move which they would definitely regretting

114
00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,479
Speaker 1: had they done it right now when they wanted to

115
00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,560
Speaker 1: get rid of it, dumb dumbs. Yeah, I was like, no,

116
00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,440
Speaker 1: because the bar is supposed to be high, for passing things,

117
00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,440
Speaker 1: but it does sometimes end up looking like in order

118
00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,159
Speaker 1: to pass the things, you got to make the things big.

119
00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,240
Speaker 2: I do like that Elon is speaking out on this

120
00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,919
Speaker 2: because I think that they will listen to Elon in

121
00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,120
Speaker 2: a way that they won't listen to a lot of

122
00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,640
Speaker 2: other people. I don't know that they would even be

123
00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,520
Speaker 2: trying to minimize spending if it wasn't for Elon, I think,

124
00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,280
Speaker 2: and again, you know you and I have talked about

125
00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,800
Speaker 2: it on here before. Trump is a spender. This is

126
00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,039
Speaker 2: his impulse. Take care of everyone, you know, make sure

127
00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,160
Speaker 2: everyone is taking care of it is part of his message,

128
00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,120
Speaker 2: and that is.

129
00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,680
Speaker 4: Not a conservative philosophy.

130
00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,760
Speaker 2: So here we are with this big, not that beautiful

131
00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,159
Speaker 2: spending bill as he on side. It can be big

132
00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,280
Speaker 2: or beautiful, it cannot be both. Although, just to add

133
00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,279
Speaker 2: a little bit more to what Stephen Miller was saying,

134
00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,440
Speaker 2: he says it includes the single largest welfare reform in

135
00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,680
Speaker 2: American history, along with the largest tax cut and reform

136
00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,640
Speaker 2: in American history, the most aggressive energy exploration in American history,

137
00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,680
Speaker 2: and the strongest border bill in American history. But then

138
00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,920
Speaker 2: he adds all while reducing the deficit, and yeah, we'll

139
00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,080
Speaker 2: see about that one. Yeah.

140
00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,240
Speaker 1: I also would say the Medicaid reforms, which the Democrats

141
00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,600
Speaker 1: are going to call cuts, is simply asking able bodied,

142
00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,200
Speaker 1: like totally normal aged people with no dependence to try

143
00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,760
Speaker 1: to work part time. That's the requirement rights. That's pretty normal.

144
00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,559
Speaker 1: Talk about an eighty twenty issue. There's one right there.

145
00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,840
Speaker 1: So Republicans should be sure to characterize it the proper

146
00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,240
Speaker 1: way as I hope they do. Yeah, because that's quite popular.

147
00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,280
Speaker 1: I also want to note the sort of undercovered was

148
00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,360
Speaker 1: that the Congress did accomplish something last week, which is

149
00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,240
Speaker 1: that they struck down a key aspect of the administration's

150
00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,680
Speaker 1: nationwide electric vehicle mandate under the Congressional Review Act. We

151
00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,200
Speaker 1: love to see it, not to see this was a

152
00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,760
Speaker 1: California invention, which, you know, why not nationalize all of

153
00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,120
Speaker 1: those because they're doing so great. A California innovation that

154
00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,559
Speaker 1: was to put all like thirty percent of new cars

155
00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,720
Speaker 1: would have had to be electric cars in like eleven

156
00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,680
Speaker 1: or twelve states, and then would expand to the rest

157
00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,880
Speaker 1: of US by like next year, and then at some

158
00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,679
Speaker 1: point it was supposed to phase out to zero gas

159
00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,000
Speaker 1: powered cars could be sold new in all these states.

160
00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,240
Speaker 1: People don't want this, Let the market do what the

161
00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,000
Speaker 1: market does. Let people have gas powered cars if they

162
00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,240
Speaker 1: want them, let them have choice, and to have this

163
00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,600
Speaker 1: be top down from the federal government as guided by

164
00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,000
Speaker 1: the writing life of California. No, thank you.

165
00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:08,240
Speaker 2: Most most importantly, let Californians keep their Californian policies in California.

166
00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,760
Speaker 1: Yes, no thank you about them, guys. I wish you

167
00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,959
Speaker 1: the best. Did you see the picture the other day

168
00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,719
Speaker 1: with Karen Bass, who's the mayor of Los Angeles. She

169
00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,520
Speaker 1: tweeted a picture overhead view of one house built in

170
00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,600
Speaker 1: the Palisades and was like, look at all the work

171
00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,079
Speaker 1: we're doing to build houses and cut red tape and

172
00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,760
Speaker 1: I was like, you're building house.

173
00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:32,880
Speaker 4: It's amazing.

174
00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, building built a house.

175
00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:35,800
Speaker 4: That house.

176
00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,760
Speaker 1: The number of permits is scandalously low that they have

177
00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,200
Speaker 1: managed to give, and it's just yet another example of

178
00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,000
Speaker 1: why exporting their way of doing things is not a

179
00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:45,640
Speaker 1: good idea.

180
00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:45,880
Speaker 3: Right.

181
00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,959
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, like Ron DeSantis has probably built like ten bridges

182
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,360
Speaker 2: during that time period of that one house.

183
00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,240
Speaker 4: So it's some days don't learn, No, they won't. They

184
00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,160
Speaker 4: won't learn. I don't know will they learn? Do you

185
00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,880
Speaker 4: think they'll learn? I don't think so.

186
00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,480
Speaker 2: I think they'll just continue down this path. I don't

187
00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,240
Speaker 2: think abundance Democrats are going to win this.

188
00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. It's causing this pretty big

189
00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,000
Speaker 1: rift in the Democratic Party. Jonathan Chate was writing in

190
00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,960
Speaker 1: The Atlantic quite sensibly that like, hey, if liberal cities

191
00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,920
Speaker 1: and liberal governance headed by progressives in places like Chicago

192
00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,960
Speaker 1: or LA does not give the people we were supposed

193
00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,280
Speaker 1: to give people better jobs, more housing, cheaper options, and

194
00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,840
Speaker 1: more prosperity, like, what are we doing? And I would say, yeah,

195
00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,000
Speaker 1: but as for quite a long time, what are you doing? Yeah,

196
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,160
Speaker 1: But that's causing the progressives in the party to be like,

197
00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they're trying to purge us and our

198
00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,880
Speaker 1: government for the sake of government. What are we going

199
00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,240
Speaker 1: to do now? So that's going to be the fight waging,

200
00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, into twenty twenty eight, and I think I'll

201
00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:50,960
Speaker 1: enjoy it.

202
00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,120
Speaker 2: I agree with you that that will be their internal fight.

203
00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,640
Speaker 2: But I just wonder, like places like California or New York,

204
00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,040
Speaker 2: they have an appeal to people, and so they will

205
00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,480
Speaker 2: continue to draw in, you know, the twenty somethings who

206
00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,800
Speaker 2: are trying to make it even as it's just a true,

207
00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,320
Speaker 2: you know, dumpster fire all around. And so that's why

208
00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,920
Speaker 2: the lesson's so tough for them to learn, because they're like,

209
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,120
Speaker 2: people still love us, look at this, you know.

210
00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,400
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I don't know if.

211
00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,120
Speaker 1: How do Democrats love to pivot from more government to

212
00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,560
Speaker 1: less government? Like that's not their brand, that's right, the

213
00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,040
Speaker 1: brand of the other guys. So even though they don't

214
00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,920
Speaker 1: do it half the time, I would love if they

215
00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,280
Speaker 1: did it more. Yeah, but how do you become Democrats

216
00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,160
Speaker 1: for less government?

217
00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,720
Speaker 2: Well, it's like or any sane policies. Actually, this this

218
00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,640
Speaker 2: segs very nicely into our second topic.

219
00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,640
Speaker 4: Will be right back on normally.

220
00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,760
Speaker 2: Pete Bootage Edge went on the Bulwark podcast and was

221
00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,640
Speaker 2: asked he's been doing a media tour. I think in

222
00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,800
Speaker 2: Prepper of running in twenty eight he comes off as

223
00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,439
Speaker 2: rather sane in an insane party for sure.

224
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,600
Speaker 4: But you know, he was asked this question.

225
00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,400
Speaker 2: What he would have done differently five years ago, and

226
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:14,560
Speaker 2: this was his.

227
00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,360
Speaker 3: Response, one, for the love of God, figure out a

228
00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,600
Speaker 3: way to get the schools open sooner. We got very

229
00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,760
Speaker 3: new knee jerk about this, and the costs were not

230
00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,960
Speaker 3: just politically but in a profound way. I think for

231
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,120
Speaker 3: the generation, the costs were profound, and I think anybody

232
00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,719
Speaker 3: who's involved, who was, by the way, obviously doing their

233
00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,160
Speaker 3: best to deal with the crisis that killed million Americans,

234
00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,640
Speaker 3: But I think most people involved would like to be

235
00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,800
Speaker 3: able to have found a way to safely get more schools,

236
00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,080
Speaker 3: more open, more quickly.

237
00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,319
Speaker 2: That was a great first answer. I had no idea where.

238
00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many ways you could have gone

239
00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,120
Speaker 2: with that.

240
00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,640
Speaker 3: But obviously pay more attention to the border. That's real,

241
00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,560
Speaker 3: and that's going to be something that you can't just

242
00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,640
Speaker 3: like take your time to deal with. Three, even though

243
00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,000
Speaker 3: you spent your entire political lifetime believing that the economy

244
00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,679
Speaker 3: and jobs are the same thing, and if you have

245
00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,000
Speaker 3: lots of jobs, it's a good economy, and if you

246
00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,840
Speaker 3: have a problem with jobs as a bad economy. Remember

247
00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,040
Speaker 3: that prices is just as big a part of the economy.

248
00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,880
Speaker 3: It just hasn't come up much in the last forty years.

249
00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:15,839
Speaker 1: So what would you have done?

250
00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,280
Speaker 4: What would you have donen differently on prices?

251
00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,760
Speaker 3: Then no country was able to save their economy from

252
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,680
Speaker 3: COVID without getting into some inflation, so serious and painful inflation.

253
00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,640
Speaker 3: But I do think that there were a lot of

254
00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,360
Speaker 3: moments where people kind of waved it away in the

255
00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,240
Speaker 3: first year or two, even just like the conversation about

256
00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,200
Speaker 3: it the focus. It is true that we had no

257
00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,520
Speaker 3: choice but to bring back the economy by any means necessary.

258
00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,600
Speaker 3: I mean, we forget how grave the threat of a

259
00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,080
Speaker 3: depression was in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. I

260
00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,079
Speaker 3: mean when I came in, I spent a big part

261
00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,640
Speaker 3: of my time as Secretary of dealing with getting airlines

262
00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,400
Speaker 3: to treat their passengers better. You could almost forget that

263
00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,520
Speaker 3: the entire first year our biggest focus was making sure

264
00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,800
Speaker 3: airlines didnt go out of business. And that's just to

265
00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,200
Speaker 3: use the airline sector as the right So again a

266
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,320
Speaker 3: lot by definition you set up this exercise. It's easy

267
00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,200
Speaker 3: to say now, but like since it is, those are

268
00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,440
Speaker 3: the things I'd be whispering into my twenty twenty year

269
00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,960
Speaker 3: if I had the chance, If I.

270
00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,000
Speaker 2: Had to specify the three topics that I wrote about

271
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,640
Speaker 2: the most from twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, that

272
00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,160
Speaker 2: would be opening the schools, the border, and how people

273
00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,360
Speaker 2: were suffering with the economy even though we quote unquote

274
00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,040
Speaker 2: were not in a recession and things were you know,

275
00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,000
Speaker 2: technically going. Well, so welcome pee boota judge to the

276
00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,040
Speaker 2: Carol Markowitz brand of conservativism. We're really glad to have

277
00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,280
Speaker 2: you here, and we'll accept you on normally as one

278
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:47,800
Speaker 2: of our own.

279
00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:54,600
Speaker 1: Right, not so fast. I didn't. Part of what he

280
00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:00,920
Speaker 1: misses here in this discussion, particularly with all three of them,

281
00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,640
Speaker 1: is they've done it deliberate. The opening schools was not

282
00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,160
Speaker 1: some like oh yeah, oh goodness, we oops, we tried

283
00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,600
Speaker 1: our best, because he, you know, he uses those weasel

284
00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,120
Speaker 1: words to say, these are people trying their best and

285
00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,000
Speaker 1: they needed a way to safely open schools. Perhaps that's

286
00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,080
Speaker 1: more forgivable than the inflationary spending and the border, both

287
00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,200
Speaker 1: of which were definitely on purpose. They were just like,

288
00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,560
Speaker 1: these are our values, open the border, spend four trillion dollars,

289
00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,680
Speaker 1: those are our values. Yeah, but their values also were

290
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:39,240
Speaker 1: and the design of their party was made to give

291
00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,600
Speaker 1: Randy Wingarden and all of her teachers union buddies, oh yeah,

292
00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,800
Speaker 1: giant ransom in order to open the schools. And he

293
00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:52,320
Speaker 1: still says safely open. The answer was open. That that

294
00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,080
Speaker 1: was the whole answer. It was safe. It was right

295
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,280
Speaker 1: in front of your eyes. And two things happened is

296
00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,320
Speaker 1: we demonized rational risk analysis, so you couldn't have anyone

297
00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,920
Speaker 1: else pop their head up and say, hey, by the way,

298
00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,320
Speaker 1: perhaps you're getting this wrong, because they were all like,

299
00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,240
Speaker 1: why do you want to kill all the teachers?

300
00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,440
Speaker 2: Right? And then public school teachers, yeah, you know.

301
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,520
Speaker 1: And then we incentivized Winegarden by giving part of the

302
00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:22,760
Speaker 1: giant inflationary handouts to her for keeping schools closed. Congratulations everyone.

303
00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,200
Speaker 1: So like if you if you missed the part where

304
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,560
Speaker 1: a lot of this was just known what they were

305
00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,240
Speaker 1: doing and it was on purpose and it was aligned

306
00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,960
Speaker 1: with their values, you don't get to just be like, oops,

307
00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with that part. By the way,

308
00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:44,960
Speaker 1: someone noted that's husband said at the time something along

309
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,600
Speaker 1: the lines of like, all these teachers are going to

310
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,720
Speaker 1: be in the grave if this happens. And it's like, okay, well,

311
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,360
Speaker 1: the rhetoric was coming from inside.

312
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,520
Speaker 2: The house, outside your house.

313
00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,080
Speaker 1: There's already a flight risk of teachers fleeing the profession.

314
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to see teachers leaving the profession. On

315
00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,400
Speaker 1: Gurney's that was a totally normal thing to say.

316
00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,320
Speaker 4: Do you have a date on that.

317
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what the date was, Yeah, that was

318
00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,399
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty, but that was a normal thing to

319
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 1: say until twenty twenty one.

320
00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,960
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, for sure.

321
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:17,199
Speaker 3: No.

322
00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,199
Speaker 2: The thing is, you know, we say July twenty twenty,

323
00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,760
Speaker 2: and it sounds it was early because America kept schools

324
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,840
Speaker 2: closed for so long, schools were open in Europe.

325
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,600
Speaker 4: By July twenty twenty, there.

326
00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,159
Speaker 2: Were schools open in various places in Europe, and the

327
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,840
Speaker 2: idea like, oh, Europe was just doing it differently than us.

328
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,840
Speaker 4: No, they weren't. No, they weren't. And you know how

329
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,720
Speaker 4: I know that because private.

330
00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,840
Speaker 2: Schools opened in blue areas while public schools stayed closed.

331
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,520
Speaker 2: The private school teachers did.

332
00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,520
Speaker 1: Not die in mass they did not.

333
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, Governor Gavin Newsom sent his kids to an

334
00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,320
Speaker 2: open private school while public schools stayed closed in California,

335
00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,400
Speaker 2: and I swear I will never forget that as long

336
00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:57,880
Speaker 2: as I live.

337
00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,680
Speaker 1: No, nor should you. He was eating at the French

338
00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,520
Speaker 1: laundry and sending his kids to private school. No, it

339
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,080
Speaker 1: was just obvious the kids that the school that my

340
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,600
Speaker 1: children currently go to is zero point five miles from

341
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 1: the public school that wasn't open for two years, and

342
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,160
Speaker 1: it was open virtually the whole time. It closed during

343
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,520
Speaker 1: the spring and went virtual, and then its parents were like, no,

344
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,439
Speaker 1: we need and it's leadership. It was like, no, we

345
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,760
Speaker 1: actually need to have these kids in school, and so

346
00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,679
Speaker 1: they did what was necessary to make that happen because

347
00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,320
Speaker 1: they were not run by wandy Winegarden. They were not

348
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,920
Speaker 1: answerable to teacher genes. They were answerable to students and parents.

349
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,520
Speaker 1: And it turned out that like that was a much

350
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,479
Speaker 1: better solution that those kids didn't fall back, fall behind

351
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,360
Speaker 1: and didn't get hurt nearly as much. There's a thing

352
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,879
Speaker 1: about Footagage is good at talking Newsome's good at talking.

353
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,439
Speaker 1: Anyone who's good at talking Republicans should be wary of

354
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 1: because they're pretty good at talking themselves around these issues

355
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 1: and sounding normal, right, And many people are so starved

356
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 1: for normal they're like, Okay, I'll listen to that guy, right,

357
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,359
Speaker 1: But they're skipping the part in all of this where

358
00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,080
Speaker 1: you actually take accountability for the thing that went wrong.

359
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 1: I hear you that you would do things differently. How

360
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 1: would you do things differently? Who would you listen to?

361
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 1: Listen to me? Three people who were correct about schools,

362
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 1: who you would bring into your circle?

363
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 4: Right? No, longer welcome on normally buddhage edge.

364
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 1: But like I would Kay convince me, but I would

365
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 1: like to know. I don't want to disincentivize people admitting

366
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 1: this because it's important, but I would like to know,

367
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 1: moving forward, how would you change your little bubble so

368
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,239
Speaker 1: that you get more information so that you don't make

369
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 1: this mistake in the future.

370
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 4: Right, And it's hard.

371
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 1: If your bubble's randy, it ain't gonna it ain't gonna go.

372
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 4: And it is randy, it's still randy.

373
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 2: But you know, it is interesting how we're giving credit

374
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,160
Speaker 2: and I count myself in this to to buddhaj Edge

375
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 2: and to news some and to the abundance Democrats for

376
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 2: sounding like Republicans. That's all they're doing is saying Republican things.

377
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 2: And I'm in for them moving to the right, and

378
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm in for them being more sane.

379
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 4: But is this really where they're going.

380
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 2: To end up when they when they're running in the

381
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 2: primary in a few years, are they going to stay

382
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:25,719
Speaker 2: this person?

383
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's going to be very hard.

384
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: Taylor Lorenzo's response to Budajem shows.

385
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 2: That what did she say?

386
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 4: I didn't see?

387
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 1: Oh, she says he's participating in right wing eugenics to

388
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: even suggest that they should have opened schools.

389
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild, right, Well, he's raw dogging that air,

390
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: so it.

391
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Is definitely, I mean, it's it's wild. There are some

392
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: pretty amazing dead enders on that side on this issue.

393
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: But look that the left flank of the party will

394
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 1: be yelling at you in those terms on Blue Sky

395
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: as soon as you start expressing those things in public,

396
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: and god forbid on blue Sky, where I hear people

397
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: just get abused in amazing ways over there for stepping

398
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 1: out of line. Yeah, they're going to get freaked out

399
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: as soon as that starts happening in.

400
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: Mass That's it. That's the problem. They're going to have

401
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: to get those people on board and stay sane. And

402
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I know one of the

403
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: it's not about education. But one of the things that

404
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: I point out is that in twenty twenty, all of

405
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: the candidates raise their hands when they were asked if

406
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: their healthcare plan would cover illegal immigrants, and obviously right

407
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: all of them, one of them, And that is such

408
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 2: a bananas crazy thing to say, because if you're an

409
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 2: illegal immigrant to the country, you could have just got

410
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: here today on a plane, right, So why wouldn't everybody

411
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: come to America for the free healthcare that you all

412
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: raised your hands to offer them.

413
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 4: Once you've gotten to.

414
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: That place, I think it's very hard to retreat. And

415
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: so we'll see. We'll see in a few years whether

416
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: they're able to walk a more normal line or if

417
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: they'll be pressured into making insane statements like that on

418
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: a debate stage. We're going to take a short break

419
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 2: and come right back with normally.

420
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: I wanted to run over this little contretemps on Twitter

421
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: today where Batia was talking to Mark Halprin and Bridget

422
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: Fetasy and she's Battia Unger Sagan, and she was noting

423
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: the dripping contempt for the uncredentialed at elite universities like

424
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: Harvard and Connor Friedersdorf, who's an Atlantic writer who's the

425
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: moderate centrist issue used to be a little bit right.

426
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 1: He demanded proof that elite university alum and attendees were

427
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: dripping with contempt for the credentials Alli and it's like

428
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like masks for two year olds,

429
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: where it's like, do we even need to make a

430
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: case for this like it's just it's just out there

431
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: for everyone to see. Nonetheless, I thought the school argument

432
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: was a good place to point out to Connor that

433
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: like everyone who was non credentialed, non scientists, non educators,

434
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: amateur statisticians, were one hundred percent right about this vital

435
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: issue that allegedly was very important to Democrats. You know,

436
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: public schools. They're very into that.

437
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 4: They care a lot.

438
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: They care so much about the people who are economically

439
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: disadvantaged and behind academically to begin with, right, so they

440
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: want a really important issue to them. Nonetheless, the rhetoric

441
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: the entire time was outrageous. I would say, dripping with

442
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: contempt for sure. In Alexandria and nearby here the school

443
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: board school board member just said like, well you can

444
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: choose do you want your kids educated or dead? Like

445
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: that was the.

446
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: Time the two options was then you went to private school.

447
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: This is the way they talk to parents. The results

448
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: were bad. People still haven't reckoned with it. Many of

449
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: those people have been promoted and are working in academia now,

450
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: still having contempt for all of us who were correct.

451
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: And I can barely read David Swyge's book because it

452
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: makes me so angry all over again. But this kind

453
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: of credentialism will plague them throughout their civil war that

454
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: they're going to have to have, and they're going to

455
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: have to find smart people who understand that people outside

456
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: of Harvard can be smart.

457
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a tough sell.

458
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: Are we going to find those? And speaking of.

459
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 4: Harvard, Yeah, what's going on in Harvard?

460
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Our friends at Not the Bee said like,

461
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: this is the reason that not the Bee exists for

462
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: this headline, which is Harvard professor fired for being dishonest

463
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: in study about honesty. Amazing, So she was this lady

464
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: was paid a million dollars a year. Don't study.

465
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 4: We're in the wrong field.

466
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: A million dollars for study.

467
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Million dollars a year to study ethics and honesty.

468
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: Harvard revoked the tenure. This is the Harvard crimson reporting

469
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: from Francesca Gino, the Harvard Business School professor who had

470
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: been fighting data fraud allegations for nearly four years and

471
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: ended her employment at the university last week. A Harvard

472
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: spokesman set spokesmans set as you can imagine, having seen

473
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: the behavior of tenured professors at Harvard, up until now.

474
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: This is pretty hard to get fired there. The move

475
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: concluded Gino's two year battle to keep her position at

476
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: the school and marked a historic penalty for a faculty

477
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: member at Harvard. No professor has been known to lose

478
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: their tenure since the nineteen forties. She was a behavioral

479
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: scientist who became famous for studying honesty and ethical behavior,

480
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: but she was accused of manipulating observations to better support

481
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: her conclusions. She was you might have Maine. You won't

482
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: be surprised Carol to find out. Despite all of this,

483
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: she was a prominent researcher in her field and the

484
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: highest paid employee at Harvard in twenty eighteen and nineteen.

485
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: Because the credentials don't actually matter. What is Yeah, this

486
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: is what the lack of trust and institutions comes from.

487
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: And it is deserved. It is deserved.

488
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. People in that article, uh not the bee they were.

489
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: People were asking Roc to explain it in simple terms,

490
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: and Rock would explain in simple terms. But there was

491
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: one really good explain this to me and caveman Uga

492
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: booga speak and Rock said Uga booga. Smart woman Francesca

493
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: make number stories at big school Harvard.

494
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 4: So We'll say she cheat, change number to lie.

495
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: They kick her out, say no more teach Francesca med

496
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: say me no cheat. She fights school with big law talks.

497
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 4: Say they mean to women.

498
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: Number checkers outside school also say her story is fake,

499
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: but Francesca keeps saying she true want court to fix

500
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: big fights.

501
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 4: Still go Nobody's sure?

502
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 5: Who right?

503
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: Uga booga truth pre find you know.

504
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: What all news updates should be in that? Can we

505
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: just I usually now on.

506
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: Fully agree, and I think we should have an Ooga

507
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: booga section on normally.

508
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Perhaps we could just feed it into the old AI

509
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: and read it to you guys. Look, I'm glad that

510
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: she's actually paying a price that seems to rarely happen

511
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: and is actually the path toward regaining trust. Yeah, but

512
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: this one's a real doozy lying about your ethics research

513
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: quite is.

514
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

515
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: I hope she does not win the twenty five million

516
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: that she's trying to win for saying that Harvard is sexist.

517
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: But you just never know what these court cases.

518
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: Usually the bad people are rewarded, so I'm guessing she's

519
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: probably gonna win a nice junk of change.

520
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: Again, what are we doing here?

521
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: Mary Catherine Man differently.

522
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

523
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: Perfect, Yeah, if.

524
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: You want to send an ideas, feel free.

525
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays

526
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: and Thursdays, and you could subscribe anywhere you get your podcast.

527
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 4: Thanks to get in touch with us at normally theepod

528
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com.

529
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and when things get weird, act normally