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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't he go away?

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Speaker 1: A convicted double killer? Who else could it be Alex Murdog?

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not? In the Last Days, it's announced

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Speaker 1: that an a lister is making a shocking transformation to

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Speaker 1: turn himself into the double killer Alex Murdog. I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: That's right, an acclaimed actor seemingly unrecognizable as he turns

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Speaker 1: himself into family annihilator Alex and Murdog. It's for Hulu

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Speaker 1: and their upcoming miniseries The Murdog Murders. Somewhere deep in

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Speaker 1: the heart of Atlanta, Georgia, there's a set with Murdog's

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Speaker 1: bright they say blonde hair. It actually was kind of

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Speaker 1: red turned blonde. He's dressed exactly as Murdog in his

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Speaker 1: go to outfit Kaki trousers, a button up and a

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Speaker 1: tie usually untucked. We also know that Patricia Arkett is

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Speaker 1: going to play Murdog's murdered wife, Maggie, as the stars

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Speaker 1: Patricia Arquette and Jason Clark are set to make a

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Speaker 1: mint on this along with Hulu. Let's have a little

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Speaker 1: reality check about what really happened.

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Speaker 2: Fitz News is reporting sources close to the investigation say

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Speaker 2: that physical forensic evidence directly ties Alex Murdad to the

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Speaker 2: double homicide. Fitz News sighting sources close to the investigation

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Speaker 2: claims Alex Murdau is the only person identified as a

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Speaker 2: person of interest. On June seventh, twenty twenty one, Alex

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Speaker 2: Murdad called nine one one round ten oh seven pm

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Speaker 2: to report that he had found the bodies of his

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Speaker 2: fifty two year old wife, Maggie and twenty two year

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Speaker 2: old son Paul. Fitznows claims Maggie murdadt was shot and

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Speaker 2: killed by a semi automatic rifle around the same time

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Speaker 3: Was with us an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 3: of what we know right now. High profile lawyer out

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Speaker 3: of LA Troy Slayton, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior

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Speaker 3: and Where Law on Psychology, intersect doctor Sherry Schwartz, Professor forensics,

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 3: and star of a unit series Body Bags, with Joseph

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Speaker 3: Scott Morgan joining us but straight out to Dave matt

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Speaker 3: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Dave, I mean, I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: I need a forensics expert to tell me there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be evidence linking Alec Murdog to the dead bodies of

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Speaker 3: his wife and his son. And I'll tell you why, Dave.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about it several times off air. You have him,

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Speaker 3: Alec Murdog, then arranging a hit on himself. Remember that

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Speaker 3: when he's found bleeding from the head out on a

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Speaker 3: rural road. Nothing he said made any sense about changing

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Speaker 3: his tire, and then he said some guys came along

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Speaker 3: and took a shot at him. Turns out his dope

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Speaker 3: dealer was paid to shoot him in the head.

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Speaker 1: Now think about it. Think about it, Dave Mack.

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Speaker 3: This is just weeks after his wife and son are

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Speaker 3: shot in the head execution style.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder who orchestrated that. So you're telling me, Dave.

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Speaker 3: Matt that there are reports not of just deduction such

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Speaker 3: as what I just did two and two weekals four,

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Speaker 3: but actual physical forensic evidence linking Alec Murdoch to the

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Speaker 3: double murder.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Nancy, here's what we've got. At least one of

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Speaker 2: the weapons used in the double homicide of Maggie and

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Speaker 2: Paul murdaf belonged to the murdav family. We've got deputies

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Speaker 2: finding shellcasings at the scene that they're obviously matching to

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Speaker 2: at least one of the guns, but two different guns

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Speaker 2: were supposedly used. One was a semi automatic rifle. We've

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Speaker 2: got agents on the scene at that are searching a river,

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Speaker 2: the salka Hacke River swampy area, approximately two miles south

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Speaker 2: of Mozelle, that are getting more evidence. And we've got

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Speaker 2: again this evidence that ties all of this together. Maggie

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Speaker 2: Murdaw's cell phone is found along the rural South Carolina

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Speaker 2: the day after the murder. All of that put together

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Speaker 2: is what we're dealing with in terms of physical evidence.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying that from those items and whatever they've

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Speaker 3: your belief that on those items is the physical evidence

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Speaker 3: they're talking about. And not only that, not only that way,

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Speaker 3: what about a potential gunshot residu test they may have

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Speaker 3: done on Alex Murdogg at the time he found his

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Speaker 2: I am now that they actually did impound It was

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Speaker 2: a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban that was registered to

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Speaker 2: the Murdall Law firm. And all of this is being

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Speaker 2: reported through Fitz News. That's where we're getting this information.

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Speaker 2: Nancy law enforcement on the scene that night collected all

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Speaker 2: from a ballistic standpoint to the residue test. The police

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Speaker 2: to see these links are all pointing back to Alex Murdau.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I want you to take a listen to Alex

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Speaker 3: Murdogg's nine to one one call our cut twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Now when we'll win your emergency.

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Speaker 5: Forty one forty seven mosaille roads. I think the collations

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Speaker 5: my wife and chop.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you said.

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Speaker 5: Forty one forty seven rode alosin, Sir, you said forty one.

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Speaker 2: Forty seven Mozel rode inlogin.

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Speaker 7: Yes, sir, forty one forty road.

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Speaker 5: Stay on the line with yes, thirsday on the line.

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Speaker 6: Okay, it's a little conic communication, Colston.

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Speaker 5: I have an Alex Murdoch on the line.

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Speaker 1: Calling from forty one forty seven roll.

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Speaker 2: He's advising that his wife and.

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Speaker 1: Child was shot.

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Speaker 7: One forty seven?

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Speaker 5: Moselle wrote, I've been up to.

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Speaker 6: It now it's bath okay, okay? And are they breathing?

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Speaker 6: And he said it's your wife and your son. I

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Speaker 5: No man own ground out of my.

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Speaker 1: Kennel, Jackie.

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Speaker 3: Do they have the death penalty in South Carolina? I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty sure that they do.

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Speaker 3: Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer joining me out of la Hey.

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Speaker 3: We tried to give Alex murdog the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, you tried.

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Speaker 3: But now that I know, as I suspected, long suspected,

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Speaker 3: he is the one that finds the dead bodies. He

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Speaker 3: He's the one uh looking at a big fat, juicy

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Speaker 3: divorce from a wife who is likely to uncover during

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Speaker 3: her discovery process, her legal discovery process, that he has

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Speaker 3: been embezzling money from all of his clients and sniffing.

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Speaker 1: It up his for years. It's all going to come

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Speaker 1: out in her divorce. And they are murdog guns. We

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Speaker 1: learned that on day one.

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Speaker 3: A source told us day one that at least one

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Speaker 1: All right, so what more do I need to know?

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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake?

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Speaker 3: Then he stages his own suicide botched, I might add,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's lying about everything.

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Speaker 3: Remember, even his lawyer came out and actually said he

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Speaker 1: He showed up in court the next week. He didn't

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Speaker 1: even have on does he have on a band aid?

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Speaker 1: That's some brain injury Troy Slayton. I mean, what more

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Speaker 3: This man is lied about everything, and he's the one

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Speaker 3: that faces a pecuniary Jane money Jane with the death

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Speaker 3: mac telling us that reports are Alex Murdoch is linked

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Speaker 3: forensically physical Levens. I'm talking about fingerprints DNA to the

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Speaker 3: double murders. And now when I listen to that nine

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Speaker 3: box of assault. Troy Slayton.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're being told that the evidence is substantial, that

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Speaker 4: it's serious, but we don't know exactly what that physical

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Speaker 4: evidence connection is yet. To Alex Murdoch, what's interesting is

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Speaker 4: that a different gun was used in each one of

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Speaker 4: happened at the same time. Why would somebody, why would

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Speaker 4: one individual use two different guns on two people at

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Speaker 4: the same time. It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: Well, it may not make sense, but does it make

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Speaker 3: sense to murder your wife and son? Does that make

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Speaker 3: sense to you? Chroy Slayton. Criminals do all sorts of

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Speaker 3: crazy things. It's not up to a prosecutor to lurk

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Speaker 4: But things have to make sense. And the problem that

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Speaker 4: the prosecutors have here is they could just confuse the jury.

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Speaker 4: They're charging him right now with fifty one counts. That

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Speaker 4: means fifty one separate crimes and fifty one sets of

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Speaker 3: Don't cut it yet, Troy Slaton. The current charges relate

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Speaker 3: to what the fifty one counts you're referring to, refer.

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Speaker 4: To possible embezzlement and misappropriation of funds from his grandfather

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Speaker 4: and great grandfather and father's law firms that was set

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Speaker 4: up for one hundred years and.

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Speaker 3: Clients and clients who are now finding out that he apparently,

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Speaker 3: Dave Mac is there. I reported he embezzle funds from

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Speaker 2: Dam Actually, he was a young man who was death

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Speaker 2: paraplegic and in a home, and Murdau is alleged to

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Speaker 2: have taken all of the money over three hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: as well as the money from his the man's mother

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Speaker 1: That was a little TMI, but I'll take it. You

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Speaker 1: can never know enough facts, Dave Mac. But what you

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Speaker 1: told me actually just made me feel a little nauseous.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Not only is there a

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Speaker 1: major TV streaming series set to go to air. Regarding

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Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch. Oh, He's made a bombshell new bid for freedom.

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Speaker 1: What is that? He's filed an appeal. The one time

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Speaker 1: socialite ruling the entire area there in South Carolina got

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Speaker 1: two life sentences without parole for the murders of Paul

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Speaker 1: and Maggie. It was a jury of seven men, five women.

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Speaker 1: They spent less than three hours deliberating. I know, I

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Speaker 1: saw them go out and I saw them come back in.

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Speaker 1: But the convicted killer in his legal team filed a

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty one page appeal document with the

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Speaker 1: South Carolina Supreme Court outlining arguments that support Murdoch's freedom

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Speaker 1: and that his conviction should be thrown out, Mostly centered

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Speaker 1: around claims of jury tampering by the former Clerk of

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Speaker 1: Court for Carleton County, Becky Hill. She resigned. There was

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Speaker 1: a big brujaja regarding a book deal an alleged comments

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Speaker 1: he was gilt. Did it really sway the jurors? Hmm,

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Speaker 1: no pun intended, But the jury's out on that, needless

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Speaker 1: to say. Could it be grounds for a new trial.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, Murdog is making the big screen, or

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Speaker 1: let me say the little screen, because it is Hulu.

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Speaker 1: It's streaming on your TV. But reality check what really

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Speaker 1: happened to Maggie and Paul?

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Speaker 3: Direct physical evidence? Direct evidence is like an eyewitness, DNA

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Speaker 1: Out there to you, okay when you listen to that.

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Speaker 3: And I asked this on day one to you, Joseph

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Speaker 1: How could they pluck what time? What's my time window

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Speaker 8: We might you might not know. We might not know,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they began to do a post mortem assessment of

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Speaker 3: And Joe Scott, when the algorithm you're using vary based

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Speaker 8: Does, it does. And you know, the way I explained

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's going to be using medical terms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if wellbody impressed me, Okay, you don't have

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Speaker 8: What I do want to impress though, is this this

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Speaker 3: Oh that well, I got to write that down, Troy Slayton.

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Speaker 8: So you know, post mortem lividity actually starts sooner than

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because that, again, that's going to be environmentally dependent,

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Speaker 3: So you're thinking that the physical evidence, what do you

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Speaker 8: You know what I think it is. Here's my big

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Speaker 9: Yes exactly, that that would probably be the natural place

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Speaker 9: That sounds like a confession.

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Speaker 9: I agree that is significant behaviorally speaking. Now, he may

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Speaker 9: What it suggests is possibly what Joe Scott Morgan is saying,

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Speaker 9: And exactly because this guy.

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Speaker 3: He's being investigated regarding the deaths of multiple people, including

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Speaker 3: But as Joe Scott Morgan was talking about blood evidence,

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Speaker 3: Paul gunned down Maggie trying to save her son's life.

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Speaker 3: She also gunned down as Mrdlach high Til did to

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Speaker 3: know about that night? A jury agreed with me he

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Speaker 6: Okay? What is her name?

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Speaker 8: And please hurry.

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 6: Do what is your telephone number?

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Speaker 3: Not particularly really, no man, okay, okay, to Troy Slayton.

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Speaker 3: We have to take into account as we listen to

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Speaker 3: this nine one one call. Now, Alexi Murdog didn't He

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00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: also called nine one one after he was shot in

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Speaker 3: the head and put up much the same story that

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Speaker 3: an unknown assailant had driven by him and I don't

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Speaker 3: nowhere shot him in the head and whoops, he lived?

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Speaker 1: What about that? Is anybody making that parallel?

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Speaker 4: We're trying to say that this is an Academy Award

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Speaker 4: winning performance, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying it's been It was rehearsed. Okay, because didn't

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Speaker 3: he wait, didn't he call nine one one when he

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Speaker 3: was shot on the side of the road.

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Speaker 8: Joe Scott, Yes, he did, Nancy, he sure did. And

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Speaker 8: so this to me, as an investigator, I'm looking at

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00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 8: a pattern developing. He got away with the first time, potentially,

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Speaker 8: and now he thinks he's going to get away with

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Speaker 8: it again when he's feigning this gunshot him to the head.

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Speaker 8: That's some unknown perpetrator.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Troy Slaton. Can't you just see a prosecutor

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Speaker 1: playing all these nine one one calls, especially the one

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Speaker 1: on the side of the road where the dope dealer

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Speaker 1: confesses reportedly that Murnod hired him to shoot him.

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Speaker 3: And here Murdod crying and carrying on on the phone

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Speaker 3: just like he's doing here.

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Speaker 4: And as a defense attorney, we would say there is

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Speaker 4: no playbook for the horror that a.

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Speaker 1: Priest come up with something new. Oh, I want to

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Speaker 1: beat my head against the wall. You say that time.

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Speaker 4: Would express once they find some sort of horrific situation

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Speaker 4: like his wife and child being killed.

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Speaker 3: But he sounds the same way in his own nie

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Speaker 3: on one call when he stays just shooting on himself,

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Speaker 3: same thing, all that breathing and the gulping and the whining,

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Speaker 3: same exact thing.

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Speaker 4: Let's go back to the staging of the you're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna lie it's something you want to talk about, Go ahead,

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear this.

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Speaker 4: So if there's physical evidence that bodies were moved from

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Speaker 4: the place where the murders happened so that way they

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Speaker 4: look like something else, then yes. And if somehow Alex

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00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: Murdoch is connected to that movement of the bodies. That

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Speaker 4: would be really damning evidence for him that big I would.

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Speaker 3: Be a big whoopsie for you to explain the next

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Speaker 3: time we talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it less unless you're.

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Speaker 4: Moving the body in order to perform some sort of

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Speaker 4: life saving measure. Now moving the body in order to

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Speaker 4: perform CPR or to try and resuscitate them.

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Speaker 1: See, that's why you make all that money, because you

490
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: just spun that out of thin air like Rumpel Stilskin.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just spun it into goal. Amazing, amazing

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Speaker 3: what you just did right there. Guys, with all the

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Speaker 3: knowledge we now are amassing, I'm really interested in these

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Speaker 3: nine to one one. Take a listen to Alex Murdog

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Speaker 3: in our cut twenty eight.

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Speaker 7: Oh they're close, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: Yet there they've been around with you ever since you've

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Speaker 6: got on the phone with me. I have multiple people

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Speaker 6: coming out there to you. Okay, I don't want you to touch.

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Speaker 1: Them at all.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've.

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Speaker 6: Already touched them, and I don't. I don't want you

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Speaker 6: to touch them, just in case they can get any

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Speaker 6: kind of evidence Okay, I've already.

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Speaker 5: Touched the time to get to see if they were breathing.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I just don't want you to move anything,

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Speaker 6: just in case they can get any kind of evidence.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, man, I'm gonna call I need to call

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Speaker 7: some of my family.

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Speaker 6: Okay, over, well, it will do me a favor for

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Speaker 6: me whenever you see the officer or the medex because

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00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 6: they're all coming to you. Absolutely, okay, but we have

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Speaker 6: them come in. Turn on the flashes on your vehicle

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Speaker 6: so they can see you. Okay, you got the flashes

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Speaker 6: on for me?

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Speaker 1: Of who Wow, he sure calms down pretty quickly. Did

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Speaker 1: you hear that? Yeah, I got them on. I'm calling

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Speaker 1: my family and call my lawyer and calling my dope dealer.

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Speaker 1: So okay, let me go back to you.

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Speaker 3: Dave mac joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter

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Speaker 3: tell me again the report that there is direct physical

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Speaker 3: evidence linking him Alex Murdog to the double murders.

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Speaker 2: At least one of the weapons used in the double

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Speaker 2: homicide belonged to the murdav family. We know that law

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Speaker 2: enforcement impounded a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban registered to

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Speaker 2: the murdav law firm from the scene. We know that

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Speaker 2: deputies found shellcasing that the scene. This is a report

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Speaker 2: from Fitz News. SLED agents requested the Sheriff's deputy searched

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Speaker 2: the area near the crime seamer video surveillance systems on

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Speaker 2: the morning after the murge. We don't know what they

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Speaker 2: found there. On June sixteenth, SLED agents were collecting evidence

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Speaker 2: in a swampy area near the Skahatchee River, about two

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Speaker 2: miles south of Mozelle and Maggie. Murdaw's cell phone was

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Speaker 2: found along a rural South Carolina road just outside the

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Speaker 2: family seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge the day after the murder.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Dotta Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists joining us

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Speaker 1: ntor Sherry, how do you analyze what you heard on

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Speaker 1: the naimalone call?

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, there's so many things, right, I mean,

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Speaker 9: he starts off, he's very emotional, he's crying, he's gasping

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Speaker 9: for air, and then, as you pointed out, at the end,

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Speaker 9: he's very calm. A matter of fact, it's very striking

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Speaker 9: to me that in the midst of this horror and

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Speaker 9: waiting for first responders, he needs to get off the

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Speaker 9: phone to contact family. I mean, you know, have you

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Speaker 9: given up totally? You know you who are you calling?

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Speaker 9: What family do you need to contact? And why at

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Speaker 9: this moment? You know, how are you gathering your thoughts

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00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 9: in that way? And he also says you know that

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Speaker 9: he did touch them to see if they were breathing,

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Speaker 9: but he doesn't mention anything about trying to render aid.

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Speaker 1: Will Murdoch's case be overruled, will he get a new trial,

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Speaker 1: or will he sit just where he needs to be

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Speaker 1: behind bars for the rest of his natural life? We

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Speaker 1: wait as just as sunfolds, and I wonder can he

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Speaker 1: get Hulu behind bars? Goodbye friend,