WEBVTT - Episode 163: Mailbag

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number one sixty three of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast network, Recording on Thursday evenings, September twelfth. Lyle,

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<v Speaker 1>how does it feel knowing you Jing Sprine a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>game yesterday?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like to elaborate on that? How it's my fault?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I one time said he was throwing

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<v Speaker 2>a perfecto.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Brian Wu went into the dugout between innings,

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<v Speaker 1>opened his phone, opened Twitter and saw that why is

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<v Speaker 1>everyone hyping me up so much? Do I see perfect

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<v Speaker 1>game here. Oh it must have been the Marine Layer

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<v Speaker 1>podcast tweeting that out those fucks. And then he goes

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the seventh and I gotta make a

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta make a perfect pitchure. I gotta make a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect pitch here, and then Nando.

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<v Speaker 2>Went, it's all it's all people Online's fault. We jinxed it.

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<v Speaker 2>We were the reason Brian Wu gave up the home

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<v Speaker 2>run of Fernando Times.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of things are our fault, while even if

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<v Speaker 1>they actually aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never understand people that actually blame, whether it's the

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<v Speaker 2>writers or broadcasters or whoever that mentioned there's a perfect

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<v Speaker 2>game going on as the reason it didn't happen. You

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<v Speaker 2>really think Ryan Divish or Sims has anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with Brian Wu's perfect game?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? Who do you think thinks about a perfect game

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<v Speaker 1>more while it's happening, the pitcher or the writer? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>You think Brian Wu doesn't know he has a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>game going Do you think he doesn't walk out there

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<v Speaker 1>between every pitch me and like, no one's reached space yet,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't had to go in the stretch yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, Oh wait, No, it's Divish's fault. It's Dimmish's fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on people, Hey, what did Ryan responded that dude?

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday it was delete your Ryan Davis pointed out that

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<v Speaker 1>Wu was fifteen up, fifteen down right, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was that one, and then someone responded to him

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<v Speaker 1>telling him he's jinxing Brian Wu, and I thought one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most perfect lines I've ever heard coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of a beat writer's mouth, delete your count and get

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<v Speaker 1>a life.

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<v Speaker 2>I just found it. I wanted to make sure we

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<v Speaker 2>get this right. So Devish originally tweets one line tweet.

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<v Speaker 2>He just says fifteen up, fifteen down for Brian Wie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Somebody replies, shut up and don't tweet about

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<v Speaker 2>it again. That got four likes and one quote tweet

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<v Speaker 2>in which Divish quote tweets it and says unfollow and

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<v Speaker 2>get a life, which got six hundred and forty five likes,

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<v Speaker 2>nine retweets, two quote tweets, and some comments. He there

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<v Speaker 2>is nobody like him.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfollow his kind of So I couldn't delete your account.

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<v Speaker 1>I think would have been better.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably maybe Davis was in a good mood yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's never in a good mood.

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<v Speaker 2>In a good mood on the Ryan Divish scale where

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<v Speaker 2>he instead of telling somebody that you should block him

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<v Speaker 2>or you should delete your account, it's just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just unfollow me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I could imagine he'd be less heavy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he probably had to wear a hoodie yesterday, maybe some pants.

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<v Speaker 1>It was chilly at the ballpark, so you have to

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<v Speaker 1>bundle up a little bit. There's always those photos of

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<v Speaker 1>him bundled up on his computer in the press box

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<v Speaker 1>like this with the windows open and the wind just

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<v Speaker 1>blowing straight into the press box while the mayor have

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<v Speaker 1>another boring, offensive performance and there's very little to ride about,

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<v Speaker 1>and has to answer the same tweets over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Julio when he has a runner in scoring position,

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<v Speaker 1>grounds into a double play? I mean, I'd also be

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<v Speaker 1>in a bad mood.

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<v Speaker 2>Right maybe, Although do you think he actually prefers wearing

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<v Speaker 2>his seven foot or shorts over jeans.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's from Montana, hmm. But he probably likes the

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<v Speaker 1>snow then more than just boring cold. It needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be entertaining cold.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably true.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no entertaining cold in Seattle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>It just rains, and for the most part, I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>people leave him alone in Montana, he doesn't look at

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter and enjoys his life. Meanwhile, he's in Seattle, he's working.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Also, before we get to the mailbag, I just

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<v Speaker 2>got to say, while we're on the topic of Brian Wu,

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody that told me my take was stupid a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago that Brian Wu should be starting a

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<v Speaker 2>playoff game. Where you at now? Where you at now,

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to jump on the bandwagon anymore. Trains left

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<v Speaker 2>the station, left the fucking station. You gonna, yeah, clap

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<v Speaker 2>it up? Are you gonna watch? Are the Mariners gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get into the playoffs? Have a run in September, slate

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<v Speaker 2>their rotator or slot their rotation, pitch Brian Wu, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he goes out and throws like six or seven

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<v Speaker 2>shutout in a postseason game. I'll tell you what, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>that hypes him up better hop into my DMS and

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<v Speaker 2>replies apologizing you included.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know I'm not allowed to cheer on Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Woo in the postseason. Unfortunately, I doubt it. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a doubter although, but luckily for me, this team's not

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<v Speaker 1>making the playoffs, so I don't have anything to worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's true. We did declare the season over, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's gonna be kind of tough to come back from.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh is there a chance? Yes? Is it happening? Probably

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<v Speaker 1>not correct. No, if you were, if you were looking

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<v Speaker 1>at us for a overwhelming optimism to make the make

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, I'd like to speak for Lyle and myself,

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<v Speaker 1>we cannot deliver that.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is funny to say because usually we are more

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<v Speaker 2>of the positive Slated Mariners podcast or like positive Splanated

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners podcast. But man, these last two months have just

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<v Speaker 2>killed us, like killed our morale. I don't okay, if

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna just get in the trust tree here for

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<v Speaker 2>a second and be transparent, I don't know the last

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<v Speaker 2>time my morale has been this low watching the team,

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<v Speaker 2>watching the games, et cetera. Because there's years where it's

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<v Speaker 2>frustrating and then and there's years where you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go through the ringer. But even last year when they

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<v Speaker 2>got hot in August and they were in the race

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<v Speaker 2>in September, I fired myself up when they had that

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<v Speaker 2>ten games slate to end the season and you knew,

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody was talking about the playoffs start today. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>they went to Texas and then they had to play Houston,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they have to play Texas again. Everybody last

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<v Speaker 2>year was like playoffs start today. I was fired up

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<v Speaker 2>for that. I know they're three and a half games

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<v Speaker 2>out right now at time of recording this, the Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>game hasn't happened yet against the Rangers, but man, my

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<v Speaker 2>morale is just so lo They like they've they've kicked

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<v Speaker 2>it right out of me this year, and like, why

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<v Speaker 2>it's different.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably based on timing. If the season flip flopped,

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<v Speaker 1>if what they did from the middle of April to

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of June when they went ten games up

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<v Speaker 1>happened now and these previous two months were before that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'd be a little more excited right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, look at what they've done. They they

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<v Speaker 1>would have been what they probably would have been ten

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<v Speaker 1>games out right, if not more, and they would have

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<v Speaker 1>built it back to a three and or would have

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<v Speaker 1>moved back to a three and a half game lead

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<v Speaker 1>from an unimaginable depth. We'd be it would be all optimism,

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<v Speaker 1>all optimism, But instead it's the sequencing hasn't worked out,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're you know, and we're all bumped.

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<v Speaker 2>The sequencing things at fairpoint, that's probably part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It stinks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what happened last year. Before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to the mailbag, is is, yeah, they they started poorly,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a red hot August, they got everybody's hopes up,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they didn't get into the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>If they did this last year, I mean, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the same fire Jerry last year instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the people were like, all right, we just need to

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<v Speaker 1>find some way to fix this in the offseason. Instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's a lot of very angry people mm hm. So,

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<v Speaker 1>but not all of you are terribly wrong, because when

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<v Speaker 1>a team underperforms, you do have every single right in

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<v Speaker 1>the world to be angry. Let's get to this mailbag.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we look for positivity, low mail bags are good.

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<v Speaker 1>Shakes up the questions, shakes up some things that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't normally talk about on this podcast, and we get

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. So put a smile on your face

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what we're about to do here. The first

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<v Speaker 1>one is right up your alley. This question comes from

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<v Speaker 1>Javier on Instagram, and his question is if Brian will

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<v Speaker 1>pitch the entire season, where would he be in cy

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<v Speaker 1>Young voting. And I'll add a caveat to this by

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<v Speaker 1>him saying, what if he pitched the entire season. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say he has an entire season worth of stats, where

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<v Speaker 1>does he finish this season?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, you could throw out a positioning or ranking and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say, okay, I believe you, which sounds crazy because

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<v Speaker 2>that means if somebody said, I think Brian we would

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<v Speaker 2>win the cy Young this year, I'm saying, okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>personally would not pick him to win it. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way he's pitched, if somebody said that, I

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<v Speaker 2>would not respond and tell them that's the craziest take

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. It might not happen. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he'd really be over Trek Scooble, probably not set Lugo either,

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<v Speaker 2>but man would be high up there. He'd be an

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<v Speaker 2>All Star, that's for sure. He would have absolutely been

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<v Speaker 2>an All Star down in Arlington this summer. And where

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<v Speaker 2>he'd finished position wise somewhere in the top five.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, okay, so here's the top five in

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<v Speaker 1>war and I'll ask you to place him among these guys,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think this is a good rough estimate of

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<v Speaker 1>what the top five, and the syng voting is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be Trek, Schouble, Cole, Reagan, Seth Lugo, Logan, and

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<v Speaker 1>tenor Hawk. Where does he finish among those five?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, I put him over Hawk. I'm I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think. Could he get over one of those royals guys?

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<v Speaker 2>He'd probably be right around where Logan is, So four

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<v Speaker 2>or five. Maybe he could jump up to three again,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he could jump somebody like Reagan's.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe here's yeah, So here's here's how I've looked at this.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with Wu even so I tried to extrapolating

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<v Speaker 1>based on what he's done, if he made a full

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<v Speaker 1>season's worth of starts, he would have thrown about one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy eight innings, which would unfortunately put him

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<v Speaker 1>behind every single one of those guys. So he'd have

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<v Speaker 1>less innings than everybody. He would have the lowest strikeout rate,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, of all of them. So when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at that, his expected numbers aren't, uh, they're good, They're

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<v Speaker 1>very good. But his raw stats and his the right

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<v Speaker 1>word for not expected stats, but like actual stats. Actual

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<v Speaker 1>stats have been a little bit better than his expected

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<v Speaker 1>stats this year and I do think the modern day

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<v Speaker 1>voter does look at that at least a tiny bet

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<v Speaker 1>of how how flukeas season is and how it isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And he'd be projected for about four wins above replacement,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be lower than the top four. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>how I set this up. I think he would finish

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<v Speaker 1>right behind Logan Gilbert. Wherever Logan finishes, Logan's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a lower ERA than Brian would because let's

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<v Speaker 1>say he pitches those extra seventy eight innings or I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's seventy two innings, he would, let's say he'd

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<v Speaker 1>have a three ERA on the dot, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>exceptionally good if he managed to get that far with

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<v Speaker 1>that be a little bit better than Logan's. But Logan's

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<v Speaker 1>got the higher volume of innings, and he strikes out

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<v Speaker 1>more batters, which voters find more valuable.

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<v Speaker 2>And Logan leaves baseball in Web two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in Whip too. He's got a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things working for him. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>think wherever they would slot Logan output Brian right after that,

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<v Speaker 1>and as that sits right now, he would finish probably

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<v Speaker 1>third or sorry, fourth or fifth in Cy Young voting,

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<v Speaker 1>if he kept this up for an entire season thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two starts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we're right around. We're right about at the

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<v Speaker 2>same boat with where we position them. The thing about

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<v Speaker 2>wo strikeouts, I think that's a part of the reason

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<v Speaker 2>his expected numbers aren't as good as his actual stats,

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<v Speaker 2>because last year he was more of a strikeout guy.

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<v Speaker 2>This year he's not striking out as many batters. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like he's not getting results. Nobody hits him

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<v Speaker 2>hard obviously, Nobody really barrels him up all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's because he gets a lot of soft contact

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<v Speaker 2>because people cannot square up those fastballs. So look, expected

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<v Speaker 2>stats are good, they're not perfect, but usually those things

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<v Speaker 2>will take strikeouts pretty heavily into account because it's so

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<v Speaker 2>self controlled as a pitcher, rather than relying on your defense.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't you think people would look at Brian Who's

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<v Speaker 2>walk rate? The fact that maybe the most slept on

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<v Speaker 2>story of all pitchers in baseball this year is he's

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<v Speaker 2>essentially the new George Kirby. Kirby's been known as the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that doesn't walk anybody. Wu legitimately does not walk

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<v Speaker 2>anybody anymore, which is a crazy turnaround from where he

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<v Speaker 2>was just in his rookie year, whereas walk rate wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>off the charts bad, but it wasn't great. It was

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere right in the middle. Now he's just like the

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<v Speaker 2>King of not walking anybody. So all those things combined,

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<v Speaker 2>the four Wars season, the crazy stuff full volume. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he'd probably be about four or five. But

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<v Speaker 2>he'd be in that race if he had thrown a

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<v Speaker 2>fall year.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a couple of ways to look at that

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<v Speaker 1>point right there. Number One, even with the low walk rate,

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<v Speaker 1>his FIP is still not the best and not close

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<v Speaker 1>to the best of that group. There would be quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few guys ahead of him that have a better FIP.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's got a three to three FIP right now.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the top five have a better FIP than

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<v Speaker 1>he does. And that again, he doesn't walk anybody. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a third of Phipps's equation, which is essentially what's

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<v Speaker 1>your ra ballpark based on walks, hits, sorry walks, strikeouts,

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<v Speaker 1>home runs on that and he already essentially does the

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<v Speaker 1>best at one and it's still three to three, which

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<v Speaker 1>is suggests the numbers don't like it quite as much.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is when you have such a low

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<v Speaker 1>volume of innings, which if he pitches next year and

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<v Speaker 1>throws two hundred and ten innings, none of this matters.

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<v Speaker 1>But for how it is this year, based on the

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<v Speaker 1>pace he's going in the projected one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight or so innings, you would be expected to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more dominant in an overwhelming fashion in

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<v Speaker 1>swing and miss if you're only throwing that many innings.

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<v Speaker 1>You brought up Corbyn Burns. What did Corbin Burns do

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<v Speaker 1>so well in twenty twenty one? The overpowered hitters a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and will overpowers hitters, but not with strikeouts, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>voters do want to see that because that is the

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<v Speaker 1>best form of dominance hit that pitch can do is

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<v Speaker 1>striking out batters. Usually, if you're picking the best pitchers

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<v Speaker 1>in baseball, they also usually strike out the most batters.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair Yeah, no, then those are all good points, and

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<v Speaker 2>strikeouts seem to play a pretty big account into winning

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<v Speaker 2>Cy Young Awards these days. I'd still put him probably

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in that top five, maybe at the lowest I

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<v Speaker 2>put him at seven, but he'd rate.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't need to be a thirty percent strikeout rate. But

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<v Speaker 1>Can he go up from twenty to twenty five percent?

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<v Speaker 1>I would do a lot that it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>less than what Logan does. What's Logan's strikeout rate right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I can look.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine. I want to say something like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Out percentage, it's twenty twenty seven percent for Logan, So

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty it's not too far off a twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent strikeout rate for Logan. Like we think Logan strikes

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<v Speaker 1>out enough batters to win a sy Young Award, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's twenty seven percent. Can he get most of the

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<v Speaker 1>way twenty five percent in the modern day for a

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<v Speaker 1>pitcher with as good as stuff as he has is

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<v Speaker 1>not impossible. In fact, it is more than likely as

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<v Speaker 1>he develops a consistent dominant secondary pitch that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have right now. Dominant lyle is the keyword there. Dominant

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<v Speaker 1>secondary pitch, he will the strikeout rate will will reflect

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<v Speaker 1>that pitches development and that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uses it is starting to go up a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>for him, like you've seen him put more emphasis on

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<v Speaker 2>it this year. It'll be interesting to see what he

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<v Speaker 2>does with it in year three. But little by little

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<v Speaker 2>here you're starting to see the usage in his secondaries

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<v Speaker 2>jump up a little, which is good because as good

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<v Speaker 2>as those two fastballs are, you can't just throw two

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<v Speaker 2>fastballs forever. And you're starting to see him develop some

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<v Speaker 2>of those other three pitches more because he's got the

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<v Speaker 2>change up, he's got a sweeper, he's got a slider,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got some other stuff in his arsenal. Okay, second

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<v Speaker 2>question in the mailbag, I'm blanking on who this is from,

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<v Speaker 2>so apologies that if I don't have the question, or

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<v Speaker 2>if the name of the person that sent the question,

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<v Speaker 2>but they ask which position group that is underperformed for

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners this year will bounce back?

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<v Speaker 1>So this is from let me look in son of

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<v Speaker 1>Chemo Sabe on YouTube. Okay, I think I pronounced that correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>What position group is most likely to bounce back? I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can boil this question down to Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>which positions severely underperformed this year? The list I have

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<v Speaker 1>is center right first second, and you're sorry your tire infield.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you about to lift the whole roster?

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<v Speaker 1>But I should have just said, well, you could pick

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<v Speaker 1>seven out of nine in the starting lineup they are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who underperformed. So it's center right and the

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<v Speaker 1>entire Mariners infield, not counting Cal Raleigh, the realistic guys

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<v Speaker 1>to bounce back who have anchored spots for next season.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of the two guys you can decide on here,

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<v Speaker 1>because we don't know who's going to be the full

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<v Speaker 1>time first baseman for the Mariners next year. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who the full time second basement is, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who the full time third basement is. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>it is hard to predict a bounce back. So the

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<v Speaker 1>decision is between Julio Rodriguez and JP Crawford.

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<v Speaker 2>And I picked Julio, Okay, tell me why?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So? I chose why because he is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>in a prime age next year. JP's gonna be thirty

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<v Speaker 1>as a shortstop. It's when guys starts slowing down, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when they start hitting in Seattle, when they turn thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>they some some of these guys fall off a cliff.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And Hulu is going to be just twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>next season. And I just have a hard time seeing

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<v Speaker 1>Julio Rodriguez with a six ninety one ops next year.

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<v Speaker 1>If Julio's just gonna get back to sort of his

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<v Speaker 1>career norm of a close to eight hundred ops. Then that,

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<v Speaker 1>combined with a center field defense, would be as valuable

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<v Speaker 1>as the Mariners probably need Julio Rodriguez to be. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we want him to be better than that, when in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what the Mariners need for a productive player

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<v Speaker 1>in center field, eight hundred would be just fine. There's

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<v Speaker 1>another interesting thing. When I was trying to think about

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<v Speaker 1>this for JP.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, did you want to say that for a minute?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sorry, well I was gonna say why I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna choose JP, but I'll let you go go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so he's my pick, okay, And he's my pick

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<v Speaker 2>because how could he possibly have a year like this

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<v Speaker 2>again next year? He's barely hitting two hundred, his ops

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<v Speaker 2>is six thirty six, he's battled injuries all year. Shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>there be some bounce back for him in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying he's gonna have the one thirty WRC

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<v Speaker 2>plus season again, but I still fully believe that a

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<v Speaker 2>fully healthy season a JP Crawford, he give me a

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<v Speaker 2>one ten to one to fifteen WRC plus hitter. His

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<v Speaker 2>ops is in the seven fifties. He'll walk a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've seen his defense. Pick back up this year,

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<v Speaker 2>so that may be his career year what he did

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty three, don't. I don't see any reason why

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<v Speaker 2>he can't be an above average bat that hits toward

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the order if he is fully healthy

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four. And that's not that unrealistic to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that like a one to ten or so number

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<v Speaker 2>come twenty twenty five, Which is why I picked him

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<v Speaker 2>at the spot because this is like he's gone from

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<v Speaker 2>a total career high to a total career low in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of his production. I think there's some middle ground there, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think that, and I think JP in general,

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<v Speaker 1>his based on his offensive approach approach, has a more

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<v Speaker 1>sustainable idea of what he wants to do at the

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<v Speaker 1>plate year over year outside of Julio, who it mostly

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<v Speaker 1>depends on, as we've seen this year, how many pitches

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<v Speaker 1>he gets to hit in the strike zone. And this

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<v Speaker 1>year people stop throwing pitches in the strike zone. He's

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<v Speaker 1>still swung and look at the results. But did you

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<v Speaker 1>know that JP's OPS this season is actually closer to

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<v Speaker 1>his career OPS than his OPS last year was Aka,

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<v Speaker 1>it is more close to the median JP Crawford season

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<v Speaker 1>than last year.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't totally shock me. But again, last year, the

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<v Speaker 2>things he did and everything he changed about his approach

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<v Speaker 2>and his like the fact he's hitting the ball harder,

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<v Speaker 2>it just felt like such a step forward. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that's totally lost. I don't think he just all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden one day had that fall out of

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<v Speaker 2>his back pocket and he can't get it back. Because

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three felt like such a step forward for

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<v Speaker 2>what JP Crawford does and who he is as a hitter.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's lost on him. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>injuries had a big part of why he didn't play

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<v Speaker 2>the way he did in twenty twenty four, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he can get back to some form of.

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<v Speaker 1>That lost No, but it does look like that number

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<v Speaker 1>is a bigger outlier than this is an outlier bad season.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll find out. I mean, I'm gonna be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>You're putting high praise or high expectations on Julio again

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty five. I'm gonna be honest. What are like,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm a wet blanket for this and a Debbie downer,

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<v Speaker 2>What are my expectations for Julio in twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>for what he set. My expectations for him is he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a one to ten WRC plus hitter. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what he has shown to be in the last two

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<v Speaker 2>years of his career, and until he proves otherwise, that

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm going into twenty twenty five believing about him.

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<v Speaker 2>He is going to be a very slightly above league

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<v Speaker 2>average bat who plays good defense and can steal some bases.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last two seasons, outside of a ridiculous August

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three, he has not given us any

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<v Speaker 2>inkling of who he was in twenty twenty two, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there has no been no prolonged stretch of superstar play

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<v Speaker 2>at the plate. And look, this is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>tough and probably brutal offseason because we don't think they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna spend very much money, which sucks because what would

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<v Speaker 2>I do if if if you know you were in

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<v Speaker 2>that position, like I would go out and find superstar

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<v Speaker 2>bats because in the last two years, the guy you

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<v Speaker 2>thought was gonna be your superstar bat can't be relied

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<v Speaker 2>upon to be right now, again, I think he's a

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<v Speaker 2>like a slightly above league average hitter right now, So.

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<v Speaker 1>You're less confident in his ability to bounce back because

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<v Speaker 1>a one to ten WRC plus Julio combined with his

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<v Speaker 1>defense is a four and a half win player problem.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the right now? One oh two? That's

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<v Speaker 2>not that much of a bounce back. I have more

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<v Speaker 2>confidence than JP being a one ten WRC plus hitter

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<v Speaker 2>next year, than Julio being a one thirty to one forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Like again, this is like, I'm not this is my expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of Uh, it's kind of unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that unfair?

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a sliding skill. Well, but JP only has

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<v Speaker 1>to get to a one ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one's expected to be a lot greater than the other.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not not wrong, but no, I Julio's only crossed

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<v Speaker 1>one one forty once and then he's gone under one

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<v Speaker 1>forty twice.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, so say one thirty, I have more confidence

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<v Speaker 2>than JP to be a one ten than I do

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<v Speaker 2>for Julio to be a one thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>But a bounce back for Julio would be a one

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<v Speaker 1>one twenty, wouldn't even need to make it to one thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I still have my doubts.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not saying what would it take for who's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win an MVP. We need him to bounce back. We

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<v Speaker 1>need him to have an eight hundreds. That's what we need.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bounce back for Julio next year, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And out and outside of one month in the last

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 2>two seasons. Has he proven that? Like, has he given

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you enough confidence in the last two years to say

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<v Speaker 2>he is going to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, he hasn't. But JP Crawford you could say

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 1>the same thing. He's he's been hurt. But Lyle, he

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>was so good in just the second half last year.

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 1>He had three good months to really excellent months to

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<v Speaker 1>finish last year, the first three months. It's pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to what he's doing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>So it's a tough we can we can marginalize a

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>nitpick with both of these guys. I think ultimately, I

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.640
<v Speaker 1>think the Mariners, based on all the positions I let

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<v Speaker 1>I read off at the start of this, you know

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>what they need. They need both of them to bounce back.

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 1>That's what they need.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they do. I just like again, obviously, for three

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 2>years in a row now, people have had sky high

0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 2>expectations for what Julio could be in each respective season.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is just where I stand for who's gonna

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:05.959
<v Speaker 2>be as a hitter in twenty twenty five? Like this

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 2>is right now who I think he is as a player.

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>He is a slightly above league average hitter. And if

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<v Speaker 2>I go into the year believing that's what he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be and he performs to that, then okay, that's what

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you expected. If he's better than that, great, then he

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 2>blew your expectations out of the water. But this is

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of the precedent he's sent the he's set the

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<v Speaker 2>last two seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to our next questions. Let's break up the

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<v Speaker 1>arguing here, let's have some fun. This is from Mitchell

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Hopkins on YouTube. His question is it's packed two rivalry week.

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Actually it's technically the lyle Now six pack. Congratulations PAC twelve.

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Who wins the Apple Cup? And who wins the Civil War?

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Apple Cup is wazoo? You dub

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<v Speaker 1>Civil Wars Oregon State organ for those unfamiliar.

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<v Speaker 2>Aren't you not allowed to call it the Civil War anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, everyone calls it the Civil War still except the schools. Okay,

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:01.199
<v Speaker 1>so my problem with it? You know my beef is

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<v Speaker 1>I have no problem with them wanting to change the name.

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>If you want to change the name, and I get

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why they did, I just would have rather

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>than actually chosen a different name besides the rivalry game.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, yeah that's fair. Well, you could tell the

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 2>people a lot more about Oregon State than I can.

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I will say Oregon has looked pretty underwhelming, to say

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 2>the least in their first two games. I mean, they

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 2>almost lost to Idaho at home, and then they beat

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Boise State by a little bit. I'll still pick them

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:32.239
<v Speaker 2>to win. I don't think it's going to be an

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 2>inspiring win, but sure, I'll pick Oregon to win. Washington

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Washington State. I think that game's gonna be close. I

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 2>actually think it has a chance to be high scoring too.

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 2>I'll say Washington wins that one. But John Matteer for

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Washington State has like a crazy game both through the

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 2>air and on the ground, but Washington just barely finds

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 2>a way to win.

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I think both games gonna be close to I'll give

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the Koogs an edge. I think the I think the

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>stale environment is gonna almost help Wazoom. I would say

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 1>they probably should be playing this game in Pullman. I

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.159
<v Speaker 1>have no idea why it's not being played in Pullman.

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of terrible decisions being made by PAC twelve

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>leadership and President's time after time after time after time

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>after time after time again, which ultimately led to this

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>game being played at Lumen for some reason. It's gonna

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>be half empty, if that might be less than that

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>might be a third full for this game. I was

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>checking out tickets. Tickets are still like eighty bucks for

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>a game that's gonna have no one at it. I

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>can't believe that.

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>That's actually got down. That it was like two hundred

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>dollars earlier this week.

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Like they're gonna have to cover seats. It's it's stupid.

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not college football if you're playing it in an

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>NFL stadium.

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Which is still crazy that there's not gonna be a

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>bunch of U Dub fans at it because it's not

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 2>like it's a big track. It's in Seattle, who knows who?

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, But I think that one will be that

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>one's gonna be close. I'll give Wazoo the edge there

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>because I think materis X factor. I think it is

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>a good word to you for him with with his

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>with his legs, and I think you get have a

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>pretty good game both these games. I really feel I

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>could go either side. I do feel like there's a

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.880
<v Speaker 1>bigger talent gap between the between Oregon and Oregon State

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>than there is between Washington and Wazoo. Especially with the

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>continuity of the Wazoo coaching staff that certainly helps a

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>little bit more than than the continuity of Oregon State's

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 1>coaching staff. You know, looking at this this Oregon State game,

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna dive into it too much because I

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>have plenty of time to talk about it on Saturday

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.679
<v Speaker 1>before the game actually happens. You know, I like the

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>beavers chances a lot more than I did before the

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>season started. I thought this game was gonna be an

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>absolute blowout, But Ducks have looked bad. They've looked bad

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 1>for a team that has as much talent as they do,

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's gonna game that's gonna come down

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to the second half. Beaves are gonna try and hold

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the ball as long as possible, but I think ultimately

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a Ducks have have too much star power and they'll

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>probably win on a One of their receivers is gonna

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>break off a bit going in and that'll be the difference.

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I like those predictions, but at least they're playing it

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>on campus, so the energy will be good. Unlike again,

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I just can't believe they're playing that game at Lumenfield.

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Stupid.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>I can't.

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, before we get to the next question,

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 2>let's take a quick pause. We're gonna talk to you

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 2>about our friends at Pigatcha's Pub eighty five. You want

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>to watch some rivalry college football this week. You want

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>to watch the Mariners, You want to watch Seahawks the NFL,

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 2>basically whatever you want. You want to go watch boarding events,

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 2>head over there. You want to have some great food,

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 2>head over there. You want to play some pool or

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>some darts, head over there. You want to do all

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>of that, Well, it's all over at Pub eighty five.

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>And if you head over during happy hour there's great

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>drink specials. It's three and four dollars from two to

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>six pm on Monday through Fridays. Whole nine yards. That's

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 2>all over at Pigotcha's Pub eighty five in Kirkland. Question

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 2>number four. We got this one on Instagram, and the

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>question is why don't the Mariners act more like the Kraken.

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Let's see if I can get who sent this one

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in right? I want to make sure I try to

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 2>give people credit for these because they're nice enough to

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:09.719
<v Speaker 2>send them. And this was from Andrew J. Sunday on Instagram.

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>He said, why don't the Mariners spend Okay, the exact question,

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 2>if you want to get it word for word right,

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>The Krack can have spent a boatload to cash this offseason.

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Will the M's ownership ever take a hint?

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying the Mariners shouldn't spend more money. They

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>should spend way more money than they spend right now.

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>But like, what are we doing? They're different sports? Would

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you like it? Would you like a fun fact? Llyle?

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>You want to know where the Kraken rank and cap

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>spending minichel Yeah.

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I lay it on me.

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Twenty third. What would people be saying if the Mariners

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>were twenty third in payroll?

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, it wouldn't be good. That's about where they were

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>last year. They're a little bit higher.

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Now they're in like they're what sixteenth now? Yeah, twenty third?

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I will say in the NHL, the Margins are a

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>lot smaller to get up to the number two payroll.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 1>It's only ten million dollars, but the difference between the

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>salary four and the NHL, which is sixty five million,

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and the cap which is eighty eight million, it's really

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>not that much money. So we're dealing with smaller margins here.

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Less money comes in with the NHL. Therefore they spend

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>less on players. But like guys, the Mariners outspent the

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>crack in this offseason, like not even spending money on

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>real free agents besides Mitch Garver, like literally just adding

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>the increased pay of Josh Rojas, of trading for Luis Surius,

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:42.959
<v Speaker 1>signing Mitch Garver, adding Jorge Polonko, signing Ryan Stanik, like

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>without even lifting a finger, and going after real free agents.

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>They outspent, outspent the Cracking. I love what the Crackinger

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>are doing. It's great, it's fantastic, but they also have

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>a floor to appease to and a lot more roster

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>spots to fill. It's and also it's just it's a

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>different It's like complaining about teams not spending enough. It's like,

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>look at the NFL teams that spend all this money,

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Well they have to. It's literally in the CBA that

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>they have to spend this much money and they have

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>to fill a roster and a practice squad.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, when the next CBA negotiations go on in baseball,

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 2>which there's probably gonna be another fat lockout, when that

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>day comes around, they should get a salary floor implemented.

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you that, because.

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Players are never gonna go for that. They're gonna put

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>in a cap.

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 2>You're saying the owners would never go for a salary floor.

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Owners would never go for that because then they well,

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 1>they would go for it if they if the players

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>agree to a cap, which they would never agree to.

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's fair, and.

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't mean to come off in a disparaging way. Andrew,

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the question. I just think it's really difficult

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to compare sports in spending.

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I will say, if the Mariner should take a hint

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>anywhere from the Kraken, it's extending their own players. Because

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>the Crack have now extended Mattie Benier's, They've extended Adam Larson,

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>they've extended Jared McCann. I mean, they've made some free

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 2>agent signings too, but they have extended guys in house,

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 2>like I know the Mariners have made some moves in

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 2>free agency, and they've extended extended a couple guys in

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 2>house between Luis, between Julio if you want to count

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Evan White when they extended Evan White. Yeah, they should

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>extend more guys in house that are contributing to this

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>team because not only are they not spending money in

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>free agency, but they're not spending money on their own

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>players right now either, So they should do what's.

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>What's the Mariners in house extension counter? We have three.

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 2>If you want to count Evan White, Yeah, that's the

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>other one.

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>They've offered more. I know they offered kell Nick one.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing they offered Gilbert one.

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Two. Yeah, but they're probably low balling all these.

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. And so what what are the

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>cracking at three?

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's about even?

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, the marriage should still do it more.

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Same playoff success too, funny wow, in the same period.

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 2>In a three year span. Now stretch it out to

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty two years and see what happens.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Then we might have to start a cracking podcast too.

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I need a lot more hockey to do that anyway.

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>But if the Mariners want to go sign more free agents.

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I won't say no. I won't say no. I just

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>think it's difficult to compare.

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fair.

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Next question, this comes on Instagram from Chuck seven three

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>four six, and the question is which starting pitcher are

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you trading this off season for a bat?

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Our answers are different on this. We talked about it

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit before we started recording. You know what,

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you go first.

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.919
<v Speaker 1>The picture I am trading for a bat this off

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.959
<v Speaker 1>season if you have to, let me note this, if

0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you have to, is Logan Gilbert, because he will get

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you the most return. He will hit free agency first,

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and he will be the most expensive of your in

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>house guys that are under rookie contra, under arbitration contracts.

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>It makes the most sense. This pains me. I don't

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>want to trade Logan Gilbert, but if you want to

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>get the best bat possible, you are trading. If you

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>want to get the best bat possible and that bat

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 1>is actually available someone that is worth Logan Gilbert's value

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 1>this off season, then you trade him. And oh, by

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the way, before you trade him, you get the whiff

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 1>from him that he's not signing an extensions. Here, you

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>need to know that for certain But once you know that,

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.879
<v Speaker 1>then you have to do it. Because he's reaching free

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>agency first, he'll be expensive and he's the most valuable.

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Will Logan Gilbert's value ever be higher than it is

0:35:58.920 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 1>right now?

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Or no?

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think there's a world he can continue

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:04.760
<v Speaker 2>to get better.

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but is his value gonna be higher?

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 2>There could be a chance. People pay a pretty penny

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>for starting pitching, which is why, which is why, honestly,

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>like we can get into my answer here too, I

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 2>have multiple But that's why I think, like you seem

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 2>to really undervalue or that's I shouldn't say undervalue it,

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's a certainty. You seem to believe that Luis

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Castillo would not get you much of a package in return,

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>whether it's because of the no trade clause, because of

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the age, because of the contract. Again, people pay a

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty penny for starting pitching, especially very good starting pitching,

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 2>And I think if the Mariners were to eat most

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>of that contract and send him somewhere he was okay

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 2>going to, you could still get real bats back for

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Luis Castillo.

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Now, the problem is, why are you trading him if

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna eat most of.

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 2>The contract because you need bats.

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>The whole point. But the whole point of trading him

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>in the first place is saving money. You can get.

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Bats, but they're not gonna spend money in free agency

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>on bats.

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>If you can already eat money, why wouldn't you just

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>keep them?

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Because you have got to find a way to shake

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>up this offense and get it better. And like, who's

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>in free Like, let me throw this back to you.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Who in free agency?

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you really want Tony in Wan soa?

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like guys like that? You think the Mariners are

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>getting in bidding wars for those guys? Do they ever

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 2>get in bidding wars? I'm down? Like again, just take

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 2>out the value beers for Juan Soto, like we've said

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 2>a million times. But I don't think they're getting in

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>bidding wars for those guys. And if that's the case,

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>what is an extra twenty four million dollars a year

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:41.720
<v Speaker 2>on the books for Louis Castillo gonna change?

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the Mariners are trading Louis Castillo to

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>eat his twenty four million dollars. That makes no sense.

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Well you might, I think they need to go get

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 1>a bat, but eating his money the whole point of

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 1>trading a picture is to not have to worry about

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>paying them in the future.

0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, then you're gonna tank his value for what you

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 2>could get back. Well I I would again, You have

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 2>got You have to find a way to get offense.

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>And if this is the only way and you think

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 2>there's real bats you can get back for him, then

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 2>eat most of the money.

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>But they they won't. They won't be able to afford

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the bats they're trading for.

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, how about this contracts split fifty to fifty or

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe even sixty forty. Well, okay, so then then the

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>team that takes Louise is paying him twelve million dollars

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:29.359
<v Speaker 2>a year.

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>You could try, but then I will again bring up

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 1>It all comes down to what Luis wants, because he

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.439
<v Speaker 1>holds the cards in any trade that has his name

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>in it, all of the cards. He he turns into

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the president of baseball operations. Sorry, he skips past that,

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>he turns into the chairman because the trade doesn't happen.

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>If Louis Castillo says, I don't want to get traded

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.439
<v Speaker 1>from Seattle. I like pitching here. I bought a home here,

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I like living here.

0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all true. That being the main point of that

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to make about Luis is the idea that

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>he will not bring you back much value. If if

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>you do the right thing and you say, Okay, this

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>is not about saving money, this is about going to

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 2>get offense and make this team better, which should be

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the whole point, I think he can still warrant you

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 2>back real value. I still think Luis Castillo can get

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>you back Kobe Mayo, Heston Kurstad, whoever it is from

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the Orioles, if he were to agree to a trade.

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>There, if you eat the money, if if you can

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>somehow find the way to convince Mariner's ownership to eat

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>all of that money and take on new players who

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 1>will be expensive within three years, then yeah, yes, but

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 1>it all rests on that no trade clause. Because with

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.760
<v Speaker 1>that no trade clause, there's no way you are trading

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:52.759
<v Speaker 1>that money. There's no way you're trading all of that

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 1>money away and getting anything of equal value in return.

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.879
<v Speaker 1>You will get less value trading him away. If you're

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>trading away all that money too.

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, by the time said players you trade for might

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.879
<v Speaker 2>get expensive, Luise would be off the books by that point.

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>So then it's fine. The money, the money's gone.

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>You need more than just those players.

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, but it's a start. You've got to You've got

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 2>to start somewhere. And again, they need a third baseman,

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.240
<v Speaker 2>they need a first baseman, they might need a second baseman,

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 2>they might need an outfielder. We'll see what happens at

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 2>dage like and they won't spend in free agency, so

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>it has to come from somewhere.

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a start, but it is not. It is not

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>what I would put at the top of the board

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>this offseason in terms of if you're making a two

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>doo on on things to try, I don't think that

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>should be your number one thing because what does that

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 1>tell Luis Castillo next season if he has to veto

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you trading him off the roster and then he shows

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.280
<v Speaker 1>and he shows up at spring training and he's like, oh,

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>what do these guys think about me? Hmm?

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Fine. So here, here's the second point in this topic

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>that I is going to make. I want you to

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>start this again for the sake of just the start

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>of this question. Eliminate all other factors. Who do you

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>think is more likely to sign an extension here, Louis

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>castor Sorry, not Louis Castilla. We're past him for now.

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Logan Gilbert or George Kirby just one answer, Logan Gilbert.

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 2>So why not trade Kirby?

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Because who says Logan Gilbert actually signs that extension if

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you think.

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 2>You're probably not keeping both. So if you think you

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:31.399
<v Speaker 2>have the chance to make it happen with one and

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 2>you have to trade an arm, like I don't want

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 2>to trade any of these arms, but if you have

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to trade one, I don't think it's crazy.

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>So what percentages are we doing? Are we saying Logan

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 1>as a twenty percent chance to sign in George's zero?

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Are we saying Logan as a sixty percent chance to

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>sign and George is a twenty? What are we talking

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>about here?

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I think if the Mariners gave him a fair contract,

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 2>he'd be pretty open to it.

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>What's a fair contract? And would they be willing to

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>pay him that? Because you know what a fair contract

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>for what Logan Gilbert's doing right now? Thirty million dollar

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>You know what they're not gonna give Logan Gilbert right

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 1>now thirty million dollars a year.

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, they should, or they give him something close to it.

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>They should if they were willing to actually pay up.

0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Then then we wouldn't be talking about trading starting pictures.

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I know George Kirby has the extra year

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 2>of control. But look, the first part of this is

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 2>just speculation because you know, the general public and the

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>people I feel like know so little about George Kirby's

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 2>personality because he's not really out there. He's pretty to himself.

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>He's pretty introverted. He doesn't do a lot of media stuff.

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>But so again, what I'm saying maybe not true in

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.439
<v Speaker 2>any in any way, shape or form, but just from

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 2>like reading his body language and stuff, whether it's on

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 2>TV or wherever, when you watch him, like, he doesn't

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 2>always seem like the happiest camper all the time. I

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that means he doesn't like being here.

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that means that's just how he is.

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 2>But if you really think that, like he has no

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>chance of signing an extension and isn't interested in it

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.399
<v Speaker 2>at any point. Paired with the fact that he has

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>not taken the jump forward that people were hoping he

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 2>was going to take this year, he has had a

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 2>bad six weeks. He had a six to eight ERA

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 2>for the month of August, it's now way over five

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>in September. He still really doesn't have a true outpitch,

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 2>so he's not really striking guys out. But all that

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 2>being said, you get a haul back for George Kirby.

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>So all that combined, is there a world where he

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>actually makes the most sense to trade?

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Depends what you want back. Like I said, I was trading.

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 1>The idea behind trading Logan Gilbert is that you will

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 1>get the most out of trading any of your starters.

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 2>So let me piggyback off that point. I'll use what

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Passon talked about on Brocken Salk this week, because

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about the Orioles is a very obvious team

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 2>that would make sense to trade with. He's mentioned them

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 2>too passing, but he threw out another team, he said,

0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.879
<v Speaker 2>the Red Sox, and he threw out some of their

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the names of their prospects, and I will he didn't

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>say this, He thought the Red Sox probably wouldn't be

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 2>willing to trade this player. But Stalk asked the questions,

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 2>I'll ask it to you, uh insensitive comments aside, like

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 2>if if you have a problem with what this guy said,

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I understand, like, like obviously, and if you don't want him.

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I know what you're talking about, and I do, but yeah,

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 1>tell you.

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I get it. And if and if you're listening and

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 2>you have a problem with what he said, then that

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 2>is totally understandable. We totally like and if you don't

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>want him around the team, I get it. But if

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.800
<v Speaker 2>you're just talking about the player, would you trade George

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Kirby for Jared Duran? Straight up? I said it'd be tough.

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you said it would be tough. But that's about

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>as equal as it gets, right, I mean, it's a

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>big league All Star with the exact same amount of control,

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.840
<v Speaker 1>said a really good season, and he's essentially it fits

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you need.

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh he said like eight and a half wins.

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. And he's an outfielder and he hit

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and he hits for average and he hits for power,

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and he's fast and he's athletic, all things you just

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>don't have enough of on this roster. It's it's legitimately everything.

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 1>So man, would I do that?

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.879
<v Speaker 2>That's tough, It's tough. It's really tough.

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Never I didn't have a good answer to it on

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the air, like he opened his mouth, and what he

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 1>said is just Irra is just terrible and should not

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>be said. So from a I'll just I'll use that

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>as my reason to say no. But on a talent perspective,

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for equal value for either of your starters,

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>that's it. It's that right.

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 2>And if it wasn't going to be that, like the

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Red Sox would have to give you a flurry of prospects,

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 2>somebody like William or Brew was the other name that

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 2>was thrown out there. But that guy can't be the

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 2>headliner for George Kirby. He's had a really good he's

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 2>had a nice year. He's had like a three win season.

0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.800
<v Speaker 2>But if you were going to trade Kirby to Boston,

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 2>you've got to get back either a bray You or Rafaela,

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 2>like one of their two rookies. But you've also got

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 2>to get one of their blue chip prospects back, somebody

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 2>like Roman Anthony, who, by the way, we saw down

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 2>at All Star Week and just like lit up that

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 2>prospect showcase on that Saturday, somebody with real power outfielder,

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>top ten prospect, et cetera.

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's where it comes back to why are you

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 1>willing to trade a starting pitcher if you're not going

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 1>to get equal value back, And then we respond and say, yeah, right,

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make any sense because you're not gonna get

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 1>back what they're actually worth. But when you're unwilling to

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>spend the money to make up for that lack of

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:40.279
<v Speaker 1>return and talent, then this is like, this is what happens. Like,

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>do the Rays get equal value for all the players

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 1>they trade away? No, because they have no choice because

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.839
<v Speaker 1>they can't spend the money to pay those players. Right,

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 1>And that's the situation the Mariners in. There is a

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>very real chance if you're trading one of these pictures

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.439
<v Speaker 1>in the off season, you're not going to get back

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>equal talent and returning. You're gonna essentially take a talent

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>loss on the trade, which, you know what, is not

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 1>going to make the Mariners better next year. If you're

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 1>thinking about it realistically, the best case scenario this offseason,

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>if the Red Sox are willing to do it, is

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 1>trade you Jared Durant, Right, that's league That's better than

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>anything the Orioles can offer you.

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know they're not gonna trade Gunner. They're

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 2>not gonna trade Adlee. They probably wouldn't even trade Jackson Holiday.

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>So and and you know, Kurse Dad and Colton Kaowser

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>are good players, they're not Jared Duran.

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>No, they're not proven. Like Kowser has a chance to

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.000
<v Speaker 2>win Rookie of the Year, but he's still not Jared Durant.

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 2>And by proven, I mean while Kowser has had a

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 2>good year, he's got to repeat it a little bit.

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 2>This is Jared Durant's best year by far, but he

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 2>has had other good years aside from this. It just

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 2>wasn't at this level. However, We'll say it again, if

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 2>you have issues with the comments that he put out there,

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 2>or you think players in that clubhouse or people in

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 2>the organization would have issues with the comments he put

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>out there, and that's your reasoning for you don't want

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 2>any part of them. We understands that's totally reasonable. But

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're just looking at player come to play, the

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>value there is close.

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>And it makes a lot of sense because the Mariners

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 1>emphasize culture a lot with that, right, and something like

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 1>that is just not anything that's beneficial to any sort

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of clubhouse period. So and you late, ultimately it's all speculation, right,

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 1>because maybe the Red Sox very well might not want

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:21.680
<v Speaker 1>to trade Jared Durant. It's like, oh, why would the

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Marriors want to trade a pictuer? Oh why would the

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Red Sox want to trade Jaron Durant. He's one of

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 1>their best players.

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Right this year? He is their best player.

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go, and Logan gover to the Marior's

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 1>best player this year. And look at that, we're talking

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>about trading him. How unfortunate. Before we get to our

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<v Speaker 1>Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. Penultimate question, lyle, let me.

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Ask this one because I think it's my turndd to

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 2>ask you. But okay, you've got one for the end

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 2>that's important that you fire up. So this next question

0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 2>is on Instagram. Always a favorite question. By the way,

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:05.120
<v Speaker 2>when we get questions on this topic, let me again

0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 2>make sure I have the name right, because again, we

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:10.399
<v Speaker 2>appreciate everybody that sends in these questions. They're awesome, thanks

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 2>for putting in the time to think about it. But

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>this is from k Jaketta on Instagram and they and

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 2>they said, what happened to Katuk. Let me say, you

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.759
<v Speaker 2>think we forgot about our guy, You think we just

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 2>forgot about him? Absolutely not. People. There's two reasons the

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Talker talk on this podcast has simmered in the

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 2>last few weeks. Number One, he's been injured for about

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 2>three months. He's now back healthy, but he was injured

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:45.239
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. Number Two, the trade deadline ended.

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 2>There is in this current time period no possible way

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 2>in which the Seattle Mariners could acquire Kyle Talker. However,

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the very first day the off season starts, we're fucking back.

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:04.319
<v Speaker 2>We are gonna miss no time, waste no time. As

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 2>soon as the off season starts and Kyle Discourse and

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Tucker Discourse will start again.

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 1>The hike is still on. In case people were wondering,

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't changed if the Mariner's trade for him. In December,

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:17.400
<v Speaker 1>we're hiking a mountain in the snow.

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. We're going. We're vlogging again, so group outing

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 2>anyone that wants to join us. We'll let people know

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>where we're going. It's probably gonna be mailbox peak. We'll

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 2>let you know the day, We'll let you know the time.

0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 2>If you want to join meet up with us, and

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 2>we're going like we're doubling dout, Like it'll be this

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.319
<v Speaker 2>off season that offers on the table. It'll be when

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>he's a free agent after twenty twenty five, when the

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.280
<v Speaker 2>offer's on the table. If he wears a Mariners uniform,

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:42.319
<v Speaker 2>we're hiking.

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 1>You know. Sources have said that Kyle Tucker heard some

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 1>of these rumors and has been dodging the Marine Layer

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 1>podcast in hopes of having this idea of going to

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Seattle go away.

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I couldn't help but notice when he was rehabbing

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 2>in Seattle the last time the Astros were here, he

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.839
<v Speaker 2>was he was pretty quick to make his way into

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the dugout.

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm.

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 2>He might have wanted to either he either wanted to

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted to dodge the mic because he couldn't be seen,

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't be seen tampering and he or and or

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:16.160
<v Speaker 2>he wants to keep everything under wraps. He can't let

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 2>the people know he wants out of Houston. He can't

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 2>let the people know he actually loves hitting in Seattle.

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 2>He can't let the people know he's gonna try to

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 2>cook up a trade to get to Seattle this offseason.

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>The astros purposely holding him away from the Marror nurse.

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think they are, of course they are. You

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:36.919
<v Speaker 2>think the astros want to uniform? No, yeah, hm hmm, there,

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I bet you. If it was up to the astros,

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't have even been on that trip in the

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.960
<v Speaker 2>first place. Don't even let him get a sniff of

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest Air. Don't don't even let him get a

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>second of looking around and being like, Wow, this place

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 2>rules way better than that industrial dump of Houston. I'm

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:54.719
<v Speaker 2>getting out of here.

0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 1>We'll see you soon, Katuck. We'll see you soon. We

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>did not forget about you. No.

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Also, I can't help but notice nobody Uh wait, I

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 2>was a gonna say. I can't help but notice nobody

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 2>on the Mariners wear his number thirty? Wait does Austin

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>both wear thirty? I think, so, well, he's changing his number. Actually, well,

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 2>he's a free agent at the end of the year.

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 2>So either it either he'd come back and he changes number,

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 2>or it would be available, or Vote signs back first,

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>keeps the number. Then they trade for Katok. He goes

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 2>up to Austin Vote and says, listen, what do we

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>have to work out for me to wear number thirty

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and both I'm sure would oblige or.

0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.479
<v Speaker 1>No, actually it's backwards. Both goes up to Katuck and says,

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I will take a Bentley for number thirty.

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and actually I don't know if Kyle Tucker has

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that type of money yet.

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh. If he's a Mariner he will have a nice

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:52.880
<v Speaker 1>big contract. Oh so yeah, he's gonna have that money.

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 1>And what does he get making his last year of

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 1>BARB twenty million dollars? Yet he can afford a Bentley Lyle?

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 2>That's fair? Also, vote does war thirty? I just confirm that.

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:05.800
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, both can get a Bentley. Katuck gets the number,

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 2>they both get a Mariner's World Series.

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, well I like that idea. Look at look at us, Austin.

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>We're working in your favor here.

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. You get to be you get to be

0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 2>part of a world series roster. All you have to

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:19.800
<v Speaker 2>do is give up your number to one of the

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:21.320
<v Speaker 2>best left handed bats in all baseball.

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Last question this comes from I Will Fear I Will

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Fear No Evil on Instagram. The question is if you're

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:36.479
<v Speaker 1>a GM, sorry, let me reframe this question. If you're

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners GM, what specific moves do you make this

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.080
<v Speaker 1>offseason all right?

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I've been saving some energy for this one. So here

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:47.240
<v Speaker 2>we go. Here's exactly what I would do. I'm trading

0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 2>for and extending Vlattie. I'm signing Anthony Sontan Dare, and

0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 2>within all that, I am walking right up to the Mariners.

0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I am walking right up to the Mariners ownership calling

0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 2>them out for their cheap and still mindset, demanding that

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:04.680
<v Speaker 2>they start spending money. Stop lying to the people about

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 2>how much money you really do or don't have, stop

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 2>acting like mister crabs, and start spending. And if they

0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>say no, I am slamming my hands on the desk,

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 2>telling them if you refuse these demands, I'm calling an

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 2>emergency press conference, throwing every single one of you under

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the bus with the exact quote of this. No beating

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>around the bush, just straight backs, I would say, and

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I quote, if I could spend more money, I would,

0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 2>ownership won't let me end quote right there. They have

0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 2>two options. Spend the money to get these players. AKA,

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.240
<v Speaker 2>if you're training for Vladdie, you're also extending them. Spend

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the money to get these players, or be called out

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and let the entire public know what you've really been

0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:52.920
<v Speaker 2>doing all along, which everybody already knows. But then it's confirmed, whoof.

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I have a lot of questions here. First though,

0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 1>do you make it down to the press conference before

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you get fired?

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:04.920
<v Speaker 2>You think I'm telling them what I'm gonna say in

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:06.839
<v Speaker 2>that press cap Oh wait, actually what am I saying?

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I just admitted that I was going to say what

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:13.839
<v Speaker 2>i'd say. M all right. I'd have a whistleblower send

0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:15.959
<v Speaker 2>texts to everybody in the media saying there's a press

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 2>conference that you're not gonna want to miss in fifteen minutes,

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and you better be there.

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 1>There is going to be a passing tweet firing you

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 1>before you get down there.

0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Breaking.

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:31.480
<v Speaker 1>While Goldstein has been fired keyword fired for his role

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<v Speaker 1>of general manager of the Seattle Mariners.

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<v Speaker 2>Good when they write in the papers cause of firing,

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:39.360
<v Speaker 2>cause of firing, telling the truth.

0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Sources tell ESPN that he cussed out ownership and called

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:50.280
<v Speaker 1>him quote, yeah, a lot of things, Well, spend some money.

0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.279
<v Speaker 2>The question was what would I do if I was

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<v Speaker 2>the GM. That right there is what I would do.

0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I care about the city, I care about the fans,

0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I care about the team winning. I care about the players,

0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:08.839
<v Speaker 2>and every single one of them deserves transparency and buy it.

0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And if they ain't willing to give it, as a

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:14.440
<v Speaker 2>person in power for the time being, until I get

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.720
<v Speaker 2>fired two minutes later, I'm letting everybody know why it's

0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:20.200
<v Speaker 2>not happening. You know how pissed off i'd be as

0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a GM and I just had my hands tied behind

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>my back by ownership. I don't know how Jerry and

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Justin do it. I really don't how They've gone as

0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 2>many years as they've gone in this organization, and you

0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:33.360
<v Speaker 2>know how badly they probably want to say it like

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 2>it's like I mean, they probably know everybody can read

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 2>the tea leaves, but they probably want to say it's

0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 2>so bad, but they can't do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what makes up for it These enormous paychecks

0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that cash in your bank account every two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm. No, yeah, I'm gonna be honest. I'm a man

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 2>of the people. Paychecks as I hit my MIC paychecks

0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:58.760
<v Speaker 2>winning a World series, I'm a man of the people.

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think winning a World Series is up there

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:07.240
<v Speaker 1>for them too, But the paychecks are pretty nice, dude.

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:08.439
<v Speaker 1>You got to do to keep a job.

0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:11.360
<v Speaker 2>You know what makes you money? Winning a World Series.

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're not wrong, You're not wrong. There, I will

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.600
<v Speaker 1>let you, can you give you a realistic plan what

0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you do as a GM. Not Let's I like your

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 1>first idea. Let's now say, in a realistic sense this offseason,

0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 1>what would you do?

0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Fine, I will be more realistic. However, that is what

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I that is what i'd actually do if I was

0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the GM. But fine, also come to your question and

0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:43.520
<v Speaker 2>put out what is a more quote unquote reasonable off season.

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll say this an off scene, that an off season

0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.640
<v Speaker 2>that is more likely for what a Mariner's off season

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:50.120
<v Speaker 2>would look like if I was a GM. That's what

0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing. Anyway, I I would I would probably sign

0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Christian Walker because you need a first baseman. You really

0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 2>really need a first baseman. Like there is an opportunity

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 2>where you could have Luke Raley and Tyler Lockler platoon

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:09.800
<v Speaker 2>next year. But if you have a chance to sign

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Christian Walker, go sign Christian Walker, because he, like Pete,

0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:15.880
<v Speaker 2>would be great too. But he's probably gonna command more

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:18.440
<v Speaker 2>money in a longer contract than Walker. Well, so I'll

0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:26.000
<v Speaker 2>say Walker, and then I would say, I mean I

0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.440
<v Speaker 2>would love to go find one more infield er like,

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to go find a third baseman, but I

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know how many third basemen are out there after

0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:36.439
<v Speaker 2>the Matt Chapman extension other than Alex Bregman, who there's

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:39.600
<v Speaker 2>no way he'll sign here. So maybe a trade for somebody.

0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can find somebody else in free agency. But

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I'd say Christian Walker is the big one. And I

0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 2>know I'm partly stealing your answer here, but you gotta

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:50.680
<v Speaker 2>shed some of the dead weight off this roster, because

0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 2>there is dead weight, and you cannot run this roster

0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.040
<v Speaker 2>back next year because we've seen all the problems it's caused.

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, my unrealistic expectation on myself as Mariners general manager

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<v Speaker 1>this offseason, I would write a legally binding declaration. I

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:17.320
<v Speaker 1>would write into law at T Mobile Park that Abraham

1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Toro would be barred from ever entering the Mariners clubhouse

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<v Speaker 1>ever again, therefore making it impossible that he ever suit

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>up in a Seattle Mariners uniform ever again, and that

1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:38.560
<v Speaker 1>instantly would make it the greatest Mariners off season of

1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:39.480
<v Speaker 1>all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Counterpoint, what if he's in an MVP race, the Mariners

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<v Speaker 2>have the opportunity to trade for him straight up for

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<v Speaker 2>cash considerations.

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<v Speaker 1>See, you went like right past the factual state of

1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the universe when you let that sentence out. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I heard you correct that. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to clarify you said.

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<v Speaker 2>Abraham Torrel in MVP can consideration hypothetical world dog, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>asking a question.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there what was the last MVP that was da

1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Fade before he won the MVP.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can change and you can change, everyone can change.

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<v Speaker 2>Aka Abe Toro can change.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never allowed in the Mariners Clubhouse ever? Again?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we getting that plastered on the wall somewhere? We

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<v Speaker 2>gott in a poster? Are we getting a quote?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right outside the Mariner's Clubhouse. It's gonna say say

1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:50.920
<v Speaker 1>no to Abe. I'm painting it. You know, football coaches

1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:54.000
<v Speaker 1>love their slogans well as general manager. There's only gonna

1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:56.120
<v Speaker 1>be one slogan painted. It's gonna be right there outside

1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:56.720
<v Speaker 1>the clubhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Seattle Maryor Clubhouse unless your name is

1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Abe Toro.

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<v Speaker 1>See you.

1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:07.480
<v Speaker 2>All right? Now? What is your realistic?

1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.920
<v Speaker 1>One realistic is you eat Mitchaniker's money in your DFA

1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:13.000
<v Speaker 1>just as you said, shed some of the dead weight

1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:16.520
<v Speaker 1>on this roster. They can't carry this many outfielders, and

1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:18.800
<v Speaker 1>he looks like right now that he's going to play

1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the least him out. Sign Christian Walker to play first base,

1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:25.959
<v Speaker 1>and then use every last resource possible to make sure

1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Julio is ready to have a one hundredth percentile twenty

1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty five season, because as it stands right now, based

1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:35.920
<v Speaker 1>on the money available to you, there is going to

1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:39.920
<v Speaker 1>be no bigger addition this offseason than getting Julio from

1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the state he's at offensively right now to a state

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<v Speaker 1>that he can achieve when he exceeds every expectation and

1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:50.560
<v Speaker 1>he plays to his one hundred percentile of talent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope they find a way to do that again,

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<v Speaker 2>I said earlier in the podcast, I just can't let

1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:58.400
<v Speaker 2>my expectations get too high firm at this point in

1:02:58.520 --> 1:03:00.640
<v Speaker 2>terms of what he'll do at the plate. That being said,

1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:03.240
<v Speaker 2>if he blows everybody's expectations out of the water and

1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:06.600
<v Speaker 2>goes nuclear next year, great, because that is how this

1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:09.480
<v Speaker 2>team can find a way to a World Series, especially

1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:10.800
<v Speaker 2>with this pitching staff.

1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Not gonna sign Juan Soto. You might as well have

1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:17.120
<v Speaker 1>one soda at home. Lile and that's that's that's whatever

1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:20.360
<v Speaker 1>improvements you can get out of Julio Rodriguez, that is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that unfair? Or should I say Tony Taters

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<v Speaker 1>at home?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Juan Soto's an atrocious defender where Julio's elite. But

1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in terms of a hitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Or hitting sense, I mean, I think we.

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<v Speaker 2>Know Julio's absolute peak. He can get. I think Julio's

1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.560
<v Speaker 2>absolute peak in terms of the talent he has. Yes,

1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:45.040
<v Speaker 2>he closer to Juan Soto than Anthony sontandren I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying he is one Soto because Won

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<v Speaker 2>Soto might be the best pure hitter that we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>in our generation. There is a real world that could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that Aaron Judge guy has something to say about

1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:55.840
<v Speaker 2>that too, But I'm just saying there is a world

1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:59.320
<v Speaker 2>where that happens. He's like, he's certainly on pace to

1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:02.480
<v Speaker 2>have a case. But yeah, like, I think Julio is

1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:05.600
<v Speaker 2>closer in terms of top end talent, what his absolute

1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:08.840
<v Speaker 2>stealing is to Juan Soto than Santander, but he just

1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:13.240
<v Speaker 2>hasn't come close to that as a late But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so so Wan Soto at home I guess it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they're gonna have to do. It's literally we

1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:21.320
<v Speaker 1>can't afford to go out to eat. We're gonna need

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<v Speaker 1>to make something at home this offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 1>And your best home cooking is that, dude? We're a

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<v Speaker 1>number forty four in center field?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree?

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<v Speaker 1>You like that analogy?

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<v Speaker 2>I was good, it was very good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great depression.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great way to end the show. Perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>perfect transit or like a perfect banger of a line

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<v Speaker 2>to wrap up this podcast. Thank you all all you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, who's send in questions? We're sorry if

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<v Speaker 2>we couldn't get to everybody's those that we answered, they

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<v Speaker 2>were awesome. Thanks for being creative. We love doing these.

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<v Speaker 2>We love taking your guys's questions. It's always fun. So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do another one of these, I'm sure here soon enough,

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<v Speaker 2>in a few weeks. But yeah, all the questions were great,

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<v Speaker 2>keep them coming when we do these. With that, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast.

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