1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode candad spoilers for the second episode of 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: A Night of the Seven Kingos be warned. Hello, my 3 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: name is Jason Cancepsio and I'm Mersey Knight and welcome 4 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: back to Extra Vision of the podcast where we dive 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture, 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: comedy from my Heart podcast, where we'll bring you three 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: episodes a week, plus news on Saturday. 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: In today's episode, it is time for us to revisit 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: West ROAs in our Ravens report for episode two, me 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: and Jason will be exploring the themes of doubt and 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: exaggeration that this episode raises. We will be making sense 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: of the Tagarian family tree and answering some questions that 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: you have been asking, as well as designing our own 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 2: nightly sigels. Let's get into it, Jason, Let's get into it. 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: So second episode of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, 16 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: and it seems to us that the central theme that 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: we want to explore in this episode, and that the 18 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: show wants us to think about is exaggeration truth. As 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: Baylor Targarian says in many characters across the A Song 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: of Ice and Fire universe say throughout the books, a 21 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: tale grows in the telling, and indeed it does, And 22 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: so we must start with the opening scene. 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: Which is Dunk speaking of. 24 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 2: Arlin Sir Arln. 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: We hear his reminiscences as he's talking about him. What 26 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: a strong chinny ad you know he was, He was 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: a simple man, et cetera. And over that we see 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Sir Arlan stepping out of a simple hut to take 29 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: a piss with his enormal missus schlong in his hand. 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: Just huge, as we talked about one. 31 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: And I think this is per I think this is 32 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: the best encapsulation of the theme that we're talking about, exaggeration. 33 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: The tale grows in the telling. Listen, all of this story, 34 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: as we've said, is from Dunk's perspective for the most part. 35 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: There's a few moments in this episode where it where 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: it strays, but generally he's all in. But generally it's 37 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: all from him. So if we if we accept that 38 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: as a given, what does this scene tell us, What 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: does this opening tell us about our characters? What does 40 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: it tell us about the truth and exaggeration? Look at 41 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: the I've watched this scene now so many times. 42 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: I know I love this very so much Jason. 43 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I've changed it a bit because 44 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: I've watched it again. 45 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: Okay, Sir Arling. 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: You hear him say, hey, stay there, I'll be right back, 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: and then he steps out to take a piss with 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: his dick in his hand, totally nude. And then you 49 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: get the shot where you could see into the room 50 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: and I thought it was Dunk, But I think that's 51 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: a woman. 52 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: I was trying to work that out too. 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: The curvaceous hips of a of a of a woman. 54 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: Dunk is not there. 55 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: Where also, like, so where is he? 56 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's there? In my opinion, is a scene that 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Sir Arlen told Dunk about after this grand battle. I 58 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: took this beautiful wench back to my the place I 59 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: was staying, that little house that the Lord had lent 60 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: me to stay in. This is a guy that's been 61 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: sleeping outside all the time. You get a fucking house 62 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and I satisfied her with my 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: enormous uh member and she slept in, you know, and together, 64 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: and then we slept in all night and I won 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: the tournament. Right, So, I think this is an example 66 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: of Sir Arlen basically exaggering the tail rows and the telling. 67 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: Does he have a big dick or is he just 68 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: lying about it? I think he's just exaggerating. I don't 69 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: know if Dunk ever saw it, but this is Sir 70 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: Arlen through Dunk, telling us of his great and mighty feats, 71 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: including that hog. 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: I love that so much. And yes, the hog has 73 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: been much conversation. We're getting a lot more hogs right now. 74 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: Obviously this was a big deal. There was a big 75 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: there was some hog moments in the pit. We obviously 76 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: had twenty eight days later hog, which I think people 77 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: were upset about because apparently it was a little bit 78 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: more covered up in the new One Bone Temple ironic 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: with the name Yes, I love this, read Jason. I 80 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: think that something that is really magical about this show 81 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: is it's really about storytelling. And I love stories about storytelling, 82 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: and this is about how you carve out a legend 83 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: and whose legends are important enough to be carried on 84 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: in song and in writing. And I think something that 85 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: is really powerful is a lot of people have been 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: sharing the clips from Game of Thrones where they're looking 87 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: through the book talking of about who the best knights were, 88 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: and there's one about Sir Duncan and they say, oh 89 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: he had You know, sir Dunky had four pages, he 90 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: must have been an amazing night. So we know Dunk 91 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 2: is going to get that recognition at some point that 92 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: Arlin never got. And I think that is part of 93 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: why him telling these stories is so important, because he 94 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: is cementing Arlan's legacy and also his own. You know, 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it's so good. And 96 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: I also like, this was something I put in the 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: group chat that I think is so interesting about this 98 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: show is like, yeah, Arlin probably was a liar, right, 99 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: but in a world where everything has to be exaggerated 100 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: because there are dragons and bombastic leaders taking over and 101 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: fighting and dynistic legacies, Like, how do you even create 102 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: a legacy or a story worth believing if you're not 103 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: exaggerating and telling tortales and making it fit more in 104 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: the scope of wester Ross. So I think there's something 105 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: really interesting there. And this also really brought up something 106 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: for me about the way that sex and gender and 107 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: body and stuff is represented, because oftentimes in Game of 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: Thrones it's like a hidden thing for the royals. It's 109 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: like a repressed thing. It's a shameful thing, it's something 110 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: you have to hide behind a door. You have to 111 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: hide who you are, you know, fantasizing about or what 112 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: the dirty things you want to do or the violent 113 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: things you want to do. But Lord Arlin in this 114 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: is like he just gets his dick out. And like 115 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: when we saw the Corsigons, they were just like hanging around. 116 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: And I think that there's something really interesting again about 117 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: the kind of like freedom that we are getting to 118 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: see that the small people have, even under the kind 119 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: of boot of the western Rosie rule, there is an 120 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: openness and a lack of structure that allows them to 121 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: be a little bit more outrageous, a little bit more fun, 122 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: a little bit more lurid, you know. And I think 123 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: that this opening scene kind of summed all of that 124 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: up for me really well. And it was so funny 125 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: to see the Internet just like lose their mind. 126 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: Like why is it so big? It's a pristaic. 127 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, you're missing the point. Like it's funny, 128 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: but like, let's talk about it. This is actually I 129 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: think this is telling me a giant dick. 130 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: I love this. This This is arline. I think bullshitting 131 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: and I think it it It leads us to our 132 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: to one of the central questions of this story, which is, 133 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: did did Arlen actually night Dunk? This is going to 134 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: be a conversation that I think we're going to return 135 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: to again and again. Absolutely, And some might say does 136 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: it matter Dunk's a great guy. I think it does matter. 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that. I think as we 138 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: get deeper into the show, because it's certainly up to 139 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: this point, I think the show is very clearly keeping 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: it intentionally vague. Yes, because we've seen so many other 141 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: scenes from Dunk in Arlen's life and we haven't seen 142 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: that one. In fact, we see in this episode Dunk 143 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: carry Arlin to his graves, So why haven't we seen that? Okay, 144 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: we continue. Dunk goes from person to person, lord to lord, 145 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: asking you know, hey, remember remember Sir Arland. He fought 146 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: with you at the Red Grass Field. He fought at 147 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: your side, a lord. 148 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: He was wounded. 149 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: He said that he was being in your service more 150 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: than any other Lord Tyrone, and nobody remembers him. Egg 151 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: then says was he a shit night? And here again 152 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: we must wonder is anything that Sir Arlen said the truth? 153 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: And I think it's very interesting considering our theme of 154 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: exaggeration bullshitting, then Ed basically says, you need to bullshit 155 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: a little. Yeah, the way like this is undignified. You're 156 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: a knight. The way you speak to these lords even 157 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: though you are not on their level in the hierarchy. 158 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: You need to like puff your chest out. You need 159 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: to act like you've won a bunch of battles. You 160 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: need to act like you are that guy. Why Because 161 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: there he's basically saying Egg and not in not so 162 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: many words, is you need to like fake it till 163 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: you yeah, which I think is a lot of what 164 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: Sir Arland did. 165 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: I agree. And also I love it because we get 166 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: so many great Egg moments in this episode. I mean, 167 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 2: just like and the shit Night is one of many. 168 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: But we also end up in a great situation where 169 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: we start to see this kind of more aggressive, less subservient, 170 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: less pretending, kind of pretenseful version of Egg where he 171 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: sort of starts saying these really outrageous violent like you know, 172 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 2: he loves this kind of sport because he starts talking 173 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: about turning people's assholes into lance holes, and he's really 174 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: kind of getting into the sportsmanship and the kind of 175 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 2: hype merchanting that you need. And also I want to 176 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: say to Egg, you know what, bib listen to some 177 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 2: of your own advice, though, ah, because you are making 178 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes, because why would some random stable 179 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: boy know a lot about knighthood? Why would this kid call? 180 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: I love this? 181 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Can we actually talk about this? 182 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't forget this. I don't want to say. 183 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to say anything about who Egg is 184 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: or isn't, but I do want to say that the 185 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: fandom has been doing a great job of catching some 186 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: little hints that maybe he's not always pretending to be 187 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 2: because look at this one, yes, that was caught from 188 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: the first episode, which I love and has been shared 189 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: a lot as a mashup. When Egg gets caught on 190 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: Dunk's horse, he calls him my lord. He doesn't know 191 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: to pretend to say Millard, which is the thing that 192 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: Tyry and Lanister says, I mean, not Terry and Tai 193 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 2: when Lanister says to Aria, you know, in that very 194 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: first scene. So they're playing with this idea, and I 195 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: think Egg needs to start listening to some of his 196 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: own rules about bullshitting and start being a bit better 197 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: at it, because he's gonna start raising too many flags, 198 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: the hint that maybe he isn't just this kind of 199 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: stable boy squire. 200 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean certainly, Dunk says, well, do you know every 201 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: like exactly good? Do you know every night? And he says, 202 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: I know the good ones? Which is. 203 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: You know? 204 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: I think again, quite telling for for someone who apparently 205 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: is a simple stable boy. The Targerians come to town 206 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: and we get a we get a view of what 207 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: the embodiment of authority and leadership looks like. And speaking 208 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: of acting like a knight mm hmmm, Dunk gets a 209 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: first hand view of like what these what interacting with 210 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: some of these born into this vibe, born into authority 211 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: look like. First of all, there's Aryan who h Aryan 212 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: bright Flame, one of may Car's sons and a strident 213 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: believer in the right of the Targarians to rule. He 214 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: basically is like you look like ship. You don't get 215 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: like you're you look like a stable boy. You look 216 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: like some kind of serving person. Get me a prostitute 217 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: if you can't put my horse away, he says, like 218 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: knighthood has fallen on on sad days times. Yeah, And 219 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: then he meets and then he meets Sirs. Craig Hall 220 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: and Duskindale, who strike quite a contrast to Dunk because they're, 221 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, in all white in their beautiful flowing capes. 222 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: They look every inch in a night and clean. Dunk 223 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: again looking for that mentorship, trying to figure out like 224 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: how to how to get where they are basically asks 225 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: like how did you how did you manage to to 226 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: you know, tell me something about like how you guys 227 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: became at kingsguards, and Duskindale basically says, you know, the 228 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: same way my family became crabbers. When he's he's like, 229 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: because he learns that Duskindale was, you know, this family 230 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: comes from the sea. There's sea people, they're fishing people, crabbers. 231 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: He's like, well, how did you become a King's guard 232 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: the same way we became crabbers. It's a very it's 233 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: actually quite an interesting What do you think he means 234 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: by this? Because I took that to me we were 235 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: so incredibly successful and crabbing. Because Dunk does not know 236 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: that these are like, you know, the multi billionaires shift 237 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: in the West rosa world. Yeah, they're not like it's 238 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: not like they own one boat, they own like five 239 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: hundred boats. I took it to mean by being because 240 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: my family is immensely successful. Yeah. 241 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: I think the thing is that's really interesting is Dunk obviously, 242 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: and we in that moment take it as like an 243 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: aspirational inspiration. Yeah, you like you can do it, like 244 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm just a pure crabb But I don't. I also 245 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: don't think he's lying. I actually think he's being real 246 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: and being like, yeah, we did it how he became 247 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: Krabbers because my family had money and they could do it, 248 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: and now I can do this, and isn't that how 249 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: it is for your life? Like, I don't think he's 250 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: you know, misleading him. I just think Dunk doesn't have 251 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: full context because, as we're learning, he is not aware 252 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: of these players in the game. And the same way 253 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: that Egg seems to be. 254 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think, yeah, I think Dunk is taking 255 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: this as like, oh, just yeah, work hard at it, 256 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: be honest and work hard and work as simple job and. 257 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: Work it as and you can work your way up 258 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: the ladder dedicatedly is the right way. 259 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Then Dunk kind of wanders into where macar and Baylor 260 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: are having like a little off the road meeting. They've 261 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: just arrived at Ashford. They're having a drink. They're meeting 262 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: with the organizers of the tournament, and this is the 263 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: moment actually where for the first time we in this 264 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: episode we get away from Dunk a little bit. We 265 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: stay with them as they're discussing, you know, the missing sons, Darren, 266 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: the drunken and egg On. They're discussing, you know, just 267 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: like various annoyances of the road, Baylor quite clearly being 268 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: the more savvy and calm and judicious of the two, 269 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: macar kind of like the more annoyed and grim guy. 270 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: And we have them having a little conversation before Dunk 271 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: just kind of wanders in and they're like, hey, who 272 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: the fuck are you? And then he immediately is like, well, 273 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: so I've asked Sir Manfred Dundarian to vouch for me 274 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: for the games, but he refuses to do so, and 275 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: does anybody here remember Sir arlnd of Pennytree. 276 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: I love this because this again just showcases he has 277 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: like no understanding of how this shit works, Like allows 278 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: to go in there and like spy on the king 279 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: and come in and stop making demands, you know. 280 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: I love that he does, of course, and then may 281 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: Car immediately is like, who, who the fuck are you what? 282 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: But Baylor, fascinatingly is the first sign that this guy 283 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: even existed and that anything he said was true at all, 284 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: and Dunk reaches for it like a lifeline. Baylor is like, yeah, 285 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: I remember him. He was a decent night. He was 286 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: definitely not the best, but he never. 287 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: Never shamed himself. 288 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: He never shamed himself, never disgraced himself. He fought in 289 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the lists at a tournament in Storm's End some sixteen 290 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: years ago. I saw him there. We matched up together 291 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: and we broke four lances I think in the tilts 292 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: against each other. And Doug was like, oh seven again. 293 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: Doesn't know, you're not allowed to do that, Like you 294 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: can't just yell at the like soon to be king, 295 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: you know. 296 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: And this is where Baylor says the line you know 297 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: was growing the telly, and he's very kind about it, 298 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: saying like, like, you know, you get it. People exaggerate, 299 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: People exaggerate their gifts. People exaggerate the size of their 300 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: dicks and how many women they slept with, and they 301 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: exaggerate how many lances they shattered against the Crown Prince. 302 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: But a huge moment for Dunk because again you see him, 303 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: he's like a He's like a guy in the desert 304 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: who finally finds like a drop of water, and he 305 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: absolutely throws himself at this information. 306 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is just completely in this moment given a 307 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: new taste of hope. But it comes with that, I think, 308 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 2: bit of sweetness that often happens when you get older 309 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: and you learn more about the people who raise you, 310 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: where it's like you learn some things and you're like, great, 311 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: this is useful, this is true, and then you learn 312 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: something else and you're like, oh, I actually wish I 313 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: didn't know that. I wish they didn't exaggerate. I wish 314 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: they didn't tell me this version of something that was 315 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: different to what really happened. And I think, again, this 316 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: is why this show is speaking to me on such 317 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: a deep level, because it really does have these deeply 318 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: emotionally resonant character moments that even though I have never 319 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: been a Night at the towney, I still feel for 320 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: Dunk so much in this moment because he knows, now, okay, great, 321 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: maybe he can get in. Here's Baylor. He's someone who 322 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: knows him. But at the same time he's having to 323 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: reckon with the fact that maybe the version of Sir Alan. 324 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: He knows isn't the real version, you know, isn't the 325 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: true version? And I, yeah, I just thought that was 326 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: such a great moment. 327 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: I agree. And then Baylor, you know, basically is like, yeah, 328 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: you can, you can get in the games. I gotcha, 329 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: You're great. Another scene that I think really exemplifies this 330 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: kind of idea of exaggeration the truth and the way 331 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: stories change and shift over time is we see the 332 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: Mummers and tansell Yes doing the story of Flori in 333 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: the Fool, which it so dazzles Egg and we learn 334 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: in fact that the the lion that she said to 335 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: Dunk in episode one, all matter fools, all matter nights, 336 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: is actually she didn't come up with it right in 337 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: the moment. She lifted it from the play and we 338 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: hear it in the play. And we talked a little 339 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: bit about Floria and the Fool in our first episode 340 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: this week, about the second episode of A nine of 341 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: the Seven Kingdom. But this is a prime example. Did 342 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: this man exist? We don't know. Was it just an 343 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: invention of a storyteller or a group of storytellers, or 344 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: was this a real person whose feats were so amazing 345 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: and unique that they had to they had to be 346 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: told again and again. We'll never really know, but it's 347 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: interesting that the same kind of dynamic that Sir Arlen's 348 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: legacy is struggling with is it play here, but you know, 349 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: much more successfully. 350 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. And I really like that, ironically, in an 351 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 2: episode where Dunk's kind of having to deal with like 352 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: what's the truth, what's not the truth? Everyone that we 353 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: meet in this episode who is a small folk, whether 354 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: it's Tansell or whether it's the Blacksmith, they are very 355 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: upfront and honest with Dunk. They just say like, here's 356 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: how it is, hey man, they're not all here cheering 357 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: for you, or they'll just replace you, or every man 358 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: is a knight, or and every man is a fool, 359 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: you know, compared to the machiavellian kind of riddles and 360 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: bullshit that the high born folks speak into. So I 361 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: also think it's interesting that we're seeing how much this 362 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: potential exaggeration weighs on Dunk and his idea of what 363 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: truth and honesty and knighthood and goodness should be. Whereas 364 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 2: the Targarians and you know, the high Borns, the Tyrrells, 365 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: they lie to each other they forget about stuff, they 366 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: don't act in the way that we would necessarily see 367 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: as moralistic. And in the same way, when we see 368 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: the conversation about the crabbers, he's like underplaying it, so 369 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: he's bullshitting in a different way. So there's just so 370 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: many different interpretations of it this episode, and it's so 371 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: intriguing to see just how much it plays and weighs 372 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 2: heavily on Dunk as he heads into the next part 373 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: of his journey and kind of this realization that he's 374 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 2: going to have to be the one to make this 375 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: legacy for himself but also for Sir Alan. 376 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to have to He's going to 377 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: have to spit game if he wants to have any 378 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: relationship with Tansell. As Egg tells him, he kind of 379 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: stumbles through the interaction and here again is where maybe 380 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: he learned the wrong lessons from Sir Arland, Like here 381 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: is the moment where you're speaking with Tensel to be 382 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: more confident, to not lie, but maybe like most a 383 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: little bitter present yourself as the character that you want 384 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: to be, not necessarily the one that you think think 385 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: you are. And Egg gets very frustrated, is like you've 386 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: got to you know, just exactly the same kind of 387 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: suggestion that that Lord Brathy game, which is. 388 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: Like be tall, like a be big, be a big 389 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: boy night like you canting again to see the confidence 390 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: that Egg has and the kind of uprightness, the confidence. 391 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: In just like who he is, and the way he 392 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: speaks to Dunk and his seeming worldliness about relationships between 393 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: people and the way they can whoo people over the 394 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: way he speaks to Dunk. Here again, there is something 395 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: else to Egg, like, there's other there's hidden sides to him. 396 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: I also just I love how I love how rude 397 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: he is to him. That's my favorite thing where I'm 398 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: just like, Egg just has such a great app attitude. 399 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: In this episode, he. 400 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 3: Is just like so sick of Dunk's lack of knowledge, 401 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 3: and it's hilarious to watch, Like the secret is where 402 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: you know, Dunk's trying to reassure him about you know, 403 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: Egg looks too small, and Dunk's. 404 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: Like, well, people always call me stupid, and then Eggs 405 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: like and and He's like and nothing. 406 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: Like they just got me stupid, And Eggs like, what's 407 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 3: wrong with you? 408 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: My guy? Yeah? Just just lovely love love, I love it. 409 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: I love that. Egg basically says, you know when Dunk 410 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: brings up uh lord and Darian that he's like, you know, yes, 411 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I'm a hedge knight because he's dreaming, 412 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: like he's like, you know, maybe I could be in 413 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: the king, Maybe I could be a knight in the 414 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: in the service of a great house, maybe even Turgarians, 415 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, and that would impress itself, wouldn't that impress her? 416 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: And Egg shoots him down as like the Targarians don't 417 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: hire hedge knights like you think the dragon that they 418 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: hire the sons of great houses. Like that's not going 419 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: to be sorry, And Dounk is like, oh yeah, well 420 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: I just met a guy who's a kingsguard who's a 421 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: crabb rabba And Egg is like his family owns half 422 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: the fleet, Like he's not a crabber, he's their industrial 423 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: sized fishing family. And Dunk is like, well, how would 424 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, how would you know? He's like, well, I'm you. 425 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: Know, I love fishing. 426 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: I love fishing, he says, And again here we go, 427 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: h the lies, the lies, and I love. 428 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: It's such a good episode. How much longer can they 429 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 2: keep it up? 430 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: I gotta know. 431 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: Jay said, do you have any more thoughts on the 432 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: theme before we take a quick break and head into 433 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: our tog gag. 434 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a thought. Is this kind of honesty, 435 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: if indeed Dunk is being honest, we consider him a simple, honest, 436 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: very forthright person despite the fact, and this is why 437 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: this is so interesting that he might be lying about 438 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: being knighted. Yes, it's I think that is. That's the thing. 439 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: That's why it's so interesting because it really does change 440 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: him how you view him. If he could lie about that, 441 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: then you have to take for it with a grain 442 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: of salt kind of everything, even though it feels like 443 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: you don't want to. But what I wanted to say was, 444 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: is this type of honesty forthrightness is it actually a 445 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: weakness in this world? I think this is something that 446 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: ned Stark gets criticized for for this kind of naivete 447 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: and honesty and honored idealism essentially got him killed. But 448 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: is it is it actually a weakness in this world 449 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: to be this simple and truthful man? 450 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: That's a big question. Like, I think it is definitely 451 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: we soulf a net. I mean, it cost him his head, 452 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: spoiler a lot for your twelve year old child. But 453 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: like to me, I feel like this series is actually 454 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: pausing that question. But I'm gonna give it a little haircut, 455 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: which is also like does it matter? Like like being is, 456 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: if Dunk is a good person who is able to 457 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: help people by being a knight and being a good night, 458 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: does it matter if he lied to get there? I 459 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: think it would matter to Dunk, which is the most 460 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: interesting thing about it, Like he's gonna feel like everything 461 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: he built was on a lie, whereas I feel like 462 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 2: people he helped and the small folk probably wouldn't care 463 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: that he'd kind of gained the system. But it's such 464 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: an interesting conflict because his whole thing is about honor 465 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: and truth and being you know, the right kind of night. 466 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: So if he lied about it, that is a massive contradiction. 467 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: I think it does it matter as an interesting question 468 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: because like, does it matter to the people that he 469 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: helps and to his friends and the friends he's making 470 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: along the way? No, I don't think it. I don't 471 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: think it matters, right, But in terms of what it 472 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: says about him is character, I think it like it 473 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: does it? Does? 474 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: You know? 475 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: It does it does? If indeed he lied about it 476 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: and I think, and he's currently about it, which we 477 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: don't know, don't know, but we haven't seen it intentionally vague. 478 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: Then we have to wonder. You have to look at 479 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: him differently. I just think you do, Okay? 480 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: Is there a version? And Jason, I know you've like, 481 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: you know, taking this into context of like where we're 482 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: at right now. Is there a version where like we 483 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: start to see that maybe Dunk is not the most 484 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: reliable narrator and some of his reactions, some of his 485 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: experiences and reactions start to maybe be more challenged. 486 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think. I think he's already an unreliable narrator. 487 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: See the opening scene with Sir Arlen's Yeah, of course, 488 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's like taken a lot of Arlen's clearly 489 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: inflated claims to be completely credulous. So he's passing us, 490 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: you know, in your stand and we accept that he 491 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: passing this information that is untrue or at least inflated 492 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: in some way, which theme of this episode. But I 493 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: think does he The question is is he himself doing that? 494 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: And I I I wonder about it. I think there's 495 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: a I think there is. I think you're meant to 496 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: wonder about it, and I think it seems like a 497 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: simple thing, but it's also a thing that could potentially 498 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 1: completely flip his character in an essential way. Let's take 499 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: a quick break, come back, we'll talk about it, and 500 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: we're back, okay. I think the the final scene in 501 00:28:52,680 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: this is really the one that you know they've just 502 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: spent the evening watching the first the opening of the games, 503 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: Prince Vaal r was involved. I don't understand the format 504 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: of like running four contests simultaneously, Like, why don't you 505 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: just do like one? 506 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: They actually to me they do that the Renfat they 507 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: do two a time. I'm like, why is Like, is 508 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: it necessary? I don't think so. I think you could 509 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: just do one. 510 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems quite foolish to me, and you 511 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: can't really concentrate on the action. 512 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: They just all had adhd like in Western diagnosed the 513 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: adhd un. 514 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: But so we get this moment we hear the crashing 515 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: of the armor and Dunk kind of goes into himself 516 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: and is thinking about the crashing of the armor, makes 517 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: him think about the thunder that was crashing. As he 518 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: lays Sir Arlin to his grave, we see his Sir 519 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: Arlin dead and we see Dunk carrying him to this 520 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: shallow grave he built. And Dunk then says after this that, 521 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, he says, basically like I understand that sir 522 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: Arlen lied to me a little bit, like he definitely inflated. 523 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: He says, do great knights live in the hedges and 524 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: die by the side of the road. I think not. 525 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: So he understands now, he's come to terms with it. Okay, 526 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: he didn't tell me exactly the truth, but he raised 527 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: me to be an honorable man, and I'm going to 528 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: i embody his legacy and I'm going to live by 529 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: that now. See, this is where I believe the question 530 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: of does it matter is yes. The answer is yes, 531 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: because he's saying honorable, but he's not also saying like, honest. 532 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: No, So that's true. 533 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: Actually, so I do I think it. This is not 534 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: to say that Dunk is not a hero if he 535 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: lied about it, or that Dunk is dishonorable if he 536 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: lied about it. This is just to say that Dunk 537 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: is a more of a subtle and complex character than 538 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: he is, that he is letting on what is the possibility, 539 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: at least in a small way, that some of this, Oh, 540 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm just a simple night from that he's putting it 541 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: on a little. 542 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: Bit, Little Colombo. He's like. 543 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: Something that I forgot, that huge dick. So I do 544 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: think I love that it matters a little bit, not 545 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: that it makes him a villain, but that it makes 546 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: him deeper and more complex in interesting ways. 547 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 2: What do you say, No, I I love that, And 548 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 2: I think that I love you know that he's our 549 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: big kimbo boy who loves the yellow pastry. But hey man, look, 550 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: I don't believe in coincidences. And you know what, he's 551 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: really good at pretending that he accidentally found himself exactly 552 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: where he needs to be, where he can then listen 553 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: in to some rich lord that he would have gotten 554 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: away with. So, Jason, I think you're onto something that 555 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: at least Dunk is aware of how other people perceive 556 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: him in a way that he hasn't potentially let on yet, 557 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: and he can sometimes use that, as the great Peter 558 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: Faulk did as Lieutenant Colombo, to kind of make people 559 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: underestimate him. And I think that this ending moment we 560 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: get to see a bit of that darkness and a 561 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: bit of that anger, and a bit of that fury 562 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: and righteous rage at the fact that yeah, maybe so 563 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: Alan did die, but he was fucking really good to 564 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: Dunk actually, and a lot of these people suck and 565 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: Dunk is gonna make a name for himself, and I 566 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: think if he did lie, this is kind of it 567 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: reads to me like this is his I know I'm 568 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: gonna do this moment like Okay, fuck it, I'm going 569 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: for it. 570 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: One more thing that I want to A moment that 571 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: I just loved from this episode is when one a 572 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: guy in the crowd yells that tilt is about to start. 573 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: Lord Ashford Fox is she? Everybody laughs, and then you 574 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: see the shot of the you know, the stand of 575 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: Honor where the royal family and Lord Ashford are and 576 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: Baylor kind of looks into the sky as if he 577 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: didn't hear that he heard something else? What it was? 578 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: Did I hear? 579 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: Did the wind blows suddenly? Like just the way again? 580 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: As like this, you get a wonderful contrast between Baylor 581 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: and Macar in the earlier scene where Maycar is like, listen, 582 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm a fucking targarian, but I'm not going to rule. 583 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care what people think of me. 584 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm in a bad mood. I don't like I'm rude 585 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: to people. Clearly a guy who's thinking, I'm never gonna 586 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: have to grab the rings. It's never, it's not gonna be, 587 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: never gonna happen for it, whereas Baylor is like, listen, 588 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: people have to kind of like us. Now. He says, 589 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: to make car remember, we're the string, we're the foreigners 590 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: here is you know, we don't know. Don't be rude 591 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: to this guy Dunk who wandered in here. We don't 592 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: know the customs in this place. 593 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: Again with him, this. 594 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: Wonderful small moment where he's just like pretends that he 595 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: didn't hear this joke while everybody is laughing, is really good. 596 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: Just a nice small moment and great acting. Let's Berty Cavell. 597 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the Targarians, because we 598 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 2: definitely are getting a new era here. So, Jason, what 599 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: does the Targarian timeline look like? And the fact, I 600 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: mean the Targarian family tree, what does that look like 601 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: right now? Who's around, who's alive, who's not alive? 602 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the Let's talk about the ones 603 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: that we see in this episode. So, first of all, 604 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: there's Prince Baylor. Targarian Baylor Breakspear, so called because he's 605 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: such an incredible warrior and fighter spears break on him. 606 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: He is kind of everything you want in a ruler. 607 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: He is eyes, he's a great knight. He's politically savvy, merciful, 608 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: and empathic in a way that other Targerians aren't. He 609 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: understands that they're at a moment right now post the 610 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: Blackfire Rebellion where things are very fragile. Though the Blackfire 611 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: Rebellion was crushed, but many of the supporters. 612 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: Of that. 613 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: Side, of the other side of the fight have fled 614 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: and they're still around, and there are potentially people in 615 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: the realm right now who think the wrong side won. 616 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: So he's very cognizant of that, and he is a 617 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: person who seeks to with his word indeed embody like 618 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: rightful rule, honorable rule, merciful rule in a way that 619 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: hopefully he hopes can win over even his enemies, the 620 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: people who are who believe that the Blackfires should have won, 621 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: win them over to his side. His brother is Prince Makar, 622 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: the long haired guy. He is very he's seen as 623 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: harsh and rigid and humorless, and. 624 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: He's particularly stressed because his kids are missing, right. 625 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: He's his sons have fled once again. Nobody knows where 626 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: they are. Are they dead, are they alive? Did they 627 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: run away? What are they doing? Did they join the 628 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: Blackfire Rebellion? He doesn't know. He is a hierarchical person. 629 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: He's as you can kind of see in this episode. 630 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: He's not by nature. He is not one to look 631 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: at what his brother has Baylor the crown Prince, and 632 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: envy it. No, he is. He is a person who 633 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: is dedicated to the hierarchy. I'm not gonna that's my 634 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: brother's job to be eventually king one day, and I am. 635 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: He fully accepts that that will not be his role. 636 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: He's just their machinations or agendas. He just wants he 637 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 2: is to be comfortable. 638 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: That's it. He's but he's smart, but only when he's 639 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: engaged about the topic. And I think you see there's 640 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: a moment where Dunk says, you know, oh, you're gonna 641 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: be a great ruler of the Seven Kingdoms war and uh, 642 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: and Baylor looks at his brother with this kind of 643 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: like awe shucks, like break kind of look. Not for 644 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: many years now, I hope maybe, And and then he 645 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: goes and then make car like almost disgusted by the obsequiousness. 646 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: The sickophant he is. He sees it goes as like 647 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: dunk is like make a great king. I love you. 648 00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: So that's macr a a why in stern man, but 649 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: not like the warmest. Then we have the missing kids 650 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: here on the drunken Macar's second son. He is a 651 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: pathetic alcoholic. He has prophetic dreams. I was gonna say 652 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: this is probably why he drinks, because he sees terrible 653 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: things in the offing. 654 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 2: No, you're right, I think the I think you're right, Jason. 655 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 2: He's prophetic dreams alcoholism. Those definitely go together, trying to 656 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 2: kind of close off that Cassandra esque nature. 657 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's tortured by these dreams and therefore he drinks. 658 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 2: Could also be that seems like a hard thing to 659 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 2: deal with. 660 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: He he doesn't. He's unhappy with his position and you know, 661 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: wishes to be free, and so he drinks. His younger brother, 662 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: Uh and Macar's youngest son is Uh egg On, named 663 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: after egg On the conquer. He is a very smart, 664 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: super intelligent kid who is not fit for everybody thinks 665 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: ruling or fighting and will probably be like a master. 666 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: He's the kind of son that everybody is like, We'll 667 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: send him to the you know, send him to old 668 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: town to go learn how to be a master because 669 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: he's bookish. But I can't really carry a sword. Uh. 670 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: And then there's uh make our second oldest son, Arion, 671 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: who we meet here. Arion bright Flame, is a narcissist. 672 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: In the books, he's a little bit of He's described 673 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: as the one Targerian that we meet that has that curse. 674 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: There's always the drop of madness possible with the Targerians. 675 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: He's the one that has that, although we see really 676 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,479 Speaker 1: no evidence of it here. 677 00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 2: He's he's just a jock. 678 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a jerk. He's arrogant, he is, and 679 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: part of that arrogance comes from the fact that he 680 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: understands that the Targarians must be He feels that they 681 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: must be respected as they were when they had dragons. 682 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: And he's kind of a fearful character and in that 683 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: he understand, you know, and he deals with it in 684 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: that way of wanting to project strength, whereas Baylor is like, 685 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: I can win people over with charm and with political acumen, 686 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: with it being wise and projecting wisdom and wise rule 687 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: Arian is it takes the opposite stance, which is strength strength, 688 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: strength projects strength, and he comes off because of it 689 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: this as a fucking asshole. Asshole. 690 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was definitely giving. He's the fast tagaryon we 691 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 2: meet here who's really giving, like Denaris's brother, you know, 692 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 2: like he's giving that kind of like the kind of 693 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 2: and you want to kick in the face. Which is 694 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 2: a really interesting dug the position because actually, like Baylor 695 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 2: is really seems to be quite great and like a 696 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 2: complete different type of Tagarian, So to go back to 697 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: that is interesting to see that that's like his nephew 698 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 2: still has that kind of that drop of Targaryan bitchiness. 699 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: And then finally we see a Valar Targari and this 700 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: is the son of Baylor, so they're probably second in 701 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: line to the throne after his father, and we know 702 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: very you know, really very little of him other than 703 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: he seems to be a not a great night as 704 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: evidenced by the fact that Egg when Dunk says, oh, 705 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: I'll bet he's favorite, and Egg is like, I'll take 706 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: that bet, okay, leading me to believe and leading us 707 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: to believe that Valar not much. Not much there for 708 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: Valor in terms of his ability to fight. 709 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 2: Jason little caninical question about stuff like if you are 710 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: like a Game of Thrones, you know, high born son, 711 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 2: but they don't like you that much, Like, is it 712 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 2: quite likely that they would just put you into a 713 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: jousting like this because it could get you honor and 714 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 2: if you die, they're not that bothered, Like is this 715 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: something that people were forced into? 716 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: No, he would. He probably really wants to do this, 717 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: even if you're not a good even if you're like 718 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: the weakest targarian ever, can't even lift your cup to 719 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: your lips to drink if you're especially if you're a 720 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: targarian prince, like we need you, we need you, like 721 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: we needn't waste those as evidenced by everything that has 722 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: happened before and then everything we've seen in Game of 723 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: Thrones and everything we saw in the House of the 724 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: Dragon and all of West Versus history, like you need 725 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,240 Speaker 1: them because if you never know how deep you're gonna 726 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: need to go down the bench that's happened. Shit happens 727 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: all the time. You know. King Harris ruled for a 728 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 1: long long time, had a lot of kids. They all 729 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: just crazy tragedies befell them in weird ways and unexpected ways, 730 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: and that had like wed arrows flying out of the 731 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,919 Speaker 1: sky and went through the helmet and hitting the one 732 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: guy who was like perfectly ready to like rule the 733 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: realm afterwards, and that shit happens again and again and again. 734 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: So while the royal family and the and the powerful 735 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: families of west Ros are all the time scheming, scheming, scheming, 736 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,479 Speaker 1: when it comes to the Targerians themselves, putting aside any 737 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of like personal issues as a family writ large, 738 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,919 Speaker 1: they wouldn't want to waste a sun ever, really ever, 739 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: because you don't you need them. You never know how 740 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: many you need him. Any final thoughts on. 741 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 2: Oh, Jason, you know what, It's come up again in 742 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 2: the discord A few people ask me about and DMS, 743 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,399 Speaker 2: why doesn't Baylor have blonde hair? And can you kind 744 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 2: of explain how it doesn't? I know it doesn't happen 745 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 2: for every Tagarian, but I think because of Game of Thrones, 746 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 2: that is our vision. So what is kind of the 747 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 2: canonical explanation? 748 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, Rosie, he is his. So we talked 749 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: about this in UH in our first episode, the episode 750 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: that covered the first episode of Neither Seven Kingdoms, Darren 751 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: the Second, who is currently king, brought Dorn into the realm, 752 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: and part of the way he did that was by intermarriage. 753 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: He married Mariah Martel of the Martell family, the ruling 754 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: Martell family of Dorn, and so Baylor is the son 755 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: of that union, and he's taken on a bunch of 756 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: these kind of Dornish features, dark hair and a different 757 00:44:53,880 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: kind of more sagacious temperament perhaps, but yeah, he's he 758 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: takes on the Dornish streets, so nobody's really wondering if 759 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: he's like truly a targariant. Okay, let's end this episode 760 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: like this. If we were knights and had to come 761 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: up with a sigil for our shield, what would ours be? Rosie? 762 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: What would yours be? 763 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 2: I think that my sigil would be probably like a pen, 764 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 2: because I'm always writing and then just for no reason 765 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 2: at all, it's just like a pen going through a 766 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 2: piece of ice because I just love an ice cube 767 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 2: and I just want an ice cube on my shield 768 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 2: being gone through with a pen. So that's what my 769 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 2: sigel would be. Jason, what would yours be? 770 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it would be this. It's very boring now, 771 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: like you want to say a cool idea, but you're 772 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: just like to be like a pen writing on a page. 773 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 2: Honestly, let everyone know that we're not to fight, like 774 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 2: come and wear the bards like, well, we'll make a 775 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 2: saucy story about you. But yes, those are mine and 776 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 2: Jason's very exciting sigels Georgia m and hit us up 777 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 2: the penns. 778 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: The next episode of X ray Vision, we're covering the 779 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: first four episodes of wonder Man that's been for this 780 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: episode X for Listening BO. X ray Vision is hosted 781 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 1: by Jason Sepsion and Rosie Knight and is a production 782 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: of iHeart Podcasts. 783 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 784 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar. 785 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,439 Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack. 786 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 787 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 788 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 789 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 2: Heidi Our disc called Moderator