WEBVTT - The Dulcet Tones of Zyme Bedewing: Mike Smith

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>There, listen, I want you to think very carefully about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, do I need to like focus?

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, it is easy. I got this one Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>two pays. No, they're not ridiculous. That's not the part.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't done two pays with cocaine underneath them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>A man, a Columbian man, got busted trying to leave

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<v Speaker 3>Columbia with what under his hat cokayene. This man had

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and twenty grams in little packages shoved up

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<v Speaker 3>underneath his two pay glued down to his head, and

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<v Speaker 3>somehow people spotted this two is.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot because one hundred and twenty grams is one

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<v Speaker 2>cup of flowers purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to be wrong because I'm going off with

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<v Speaker 3>British tabloids from.

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<v Speaker 2>Two cups of whole all purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a bunch of them. Although that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like little circles around the size of a quarter,

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<v Speaker 3>but kind of fluffy with like so like I think

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<v Speaker 3>that you could have the volume.

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<v Speaker 2>But it made that it would lift off his head.

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<v Speaker 3>That was also how he got caught. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>there was a woman who got caught in Newark, which

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<v Speaker 3>she had the same thing. She had like a beehive,

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<v Speaker 3>and she filled it with cocaine. I think I told

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<v Speaker 3>you about her. I always love looking at people like

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<v Speaker 3>how they get caught with cocaine in airports. It's one

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<v Speaker 3>of my hobbies, it is. Anyway, So this guy gets

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<v Speaker 3>caught with his twopey and they like, there's footage of them,

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<v Speaker 3>like peeling back is like hair wig is like his

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<v Speaker 3>hair hat if you will, and then you're cutting it out.

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<v Speaker 3>But they only claim that it's worth ten thousand dollars. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>how is that possible? Two hundred and twenty grams only

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<v Speaker 3>worth ten thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's ridiculous, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>How they value drugs on the Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>What Elizabeth Robot music? Oh hell yeah, this is ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and undred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you heard that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right, you heard it. You and I know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of musicians.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah, surprisingly.

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<v Speaker 2>Surprisingly back in the day, these musicians they sold these

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<v Speaker 2>things called albums, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They still saw those. They just don't they actually anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>CDs, CD ROM CDs. But like, the album sales was

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<v Speaker 2>a revenue source, like a physical album sale, like in

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<v Speaker 2>addition to touring.

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<v Speaker 3>Physical act it's really important.

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<v Speaker 2>And tour is where the real money is. You're not yet, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But then the Internet came along and then Metallica, suit

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<v Speaker 2>Naps and whatever, and then no one could deny that

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<v Speaker 2>physical music sales were on the way out.

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<v Speaker 3>That they found a way to make it legal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. And the streaming was in and streaming, so

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<v Speaker 2>with Napster and LimeWire in them, you were downloading files

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<v Speaker 2>that you could then burn to a CD.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we've all done it.

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<v Speaker 3>I still.

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<v Speaker 2>But pretty soon music, as you said, was totally portable.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the iPod and people had the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>access all sorts of music about having to download.

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<v Speaker 3>A whole album, and they started buying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's what we you know, we get what

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<v Speaker 2>we have today, which is the way he wants, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets it. That's a little cool hand Luke for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So some artists they do really, really well with streaming

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<v Speaker 2>royalties for Spotify. Some of the biggest streamers for the

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<v Speaker 2>past few years are Taylor Swift, of Course, The Weakened,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes Bad Bunny, Say Drake, Yes Billy Eilish, Ellish, Philly,

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<v Speaker 2>Lady Gaga, Bruno, Mars, and ets. They dominate the charts

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<v Speaker 2>on those You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Who dominates on performances other than Taylor Swift, Eminem internationally

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the top selling artists. I was looking

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<v Speaker 3>for something else. I was like, he's still.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are some on the list that I've never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of, which is it's not surprising. Like I once

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<v Speaker 2>had some students.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me each passing day, it's more likely more and

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<v Speaker 3>more likely.

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<v Speaker 2>What years ago, I had students tell me about this

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<v Speaker 2>artist that they like Walk a Flock of Flame, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was positive they were Oh. I was like, we

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<v Speaker 2>watched them up at show.

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<v Speaker 4>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But their acts on Spotify on the Spotify list like Marshmallow,

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<v Speaker 2>Teddy Swims, and Daddy Yankee. That sounds like the PBS

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<v Speaker 2>Kids Saturday Morning lineup to I have to a Mellow

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<v Speaker 2>Teddy Swims, Daddy Yanky right that replaced Arthur Okay, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know who has more follows than Taylor Swift, who

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<v Speaker 2>is in the number two spot in that category? How

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<v Speaker 2>did you know Arjit Singh, an Indian singer in contemporary

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<v Speaker 2>Hindi film most right, And then of course there's a

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<v Speaker 2>triple sing Yes, I know. Then of course there's Mike Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Smith, not Mike Jones, Mike Jones and not Sam Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>not Sam Smith. The Smith is there?

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Smith, like the Replacements or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Smith, Mike and the Mechanics.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Mike Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Smith is huge Smith. Let me read you, Let

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<v Speaker 2>me read you some of his Spotify bio.

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<v Speaker 3>Just help you out here, Please inform me, educate me.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike plays twelve instruments and used this ability to perform

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<v Speaker 2>and produce all of his upcoming album Pieces of My Soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike is Cuban American. His mother was born in Havana, Cuba.

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<v Speaker 2>The father of six has a great love story with

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, Erica Smith. Mike and Erica almost married in college,

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<v Speaker 2>broke up, and on the tenth anniversary of their breakup,

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<v Speaker 2>they reconnected and have been together ever since. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to laugh at trying to explain to somebody. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really Cuban, all right, Mike Smith, Okay, Mike Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>He says. He says that he's related to Fidel Castro,

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Trudeau's cousin. So Bustle magazine said that Smith quote

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<v Speaker 2>first made his fortune in the nineteen nineties when he

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<v Speaker 2>was only twenty three years old, with an IT business.

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<v Speaker 2>According to his website, he then built, bought, and sold

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<v Speaker 2>three regional chains of medical practices. Oh, I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>is like a star is born.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally. It's the artist path.

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<v Speaker 4>It completely is.

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<v Speaker 3>This is according canuisitions on your way.

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<v Speaker 2>To Can I read to you from Wikipedia?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is like my favorite thing to hear. Mike's is

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<v Speaker 2>a Cuban American recording artist, record and television producer. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a number one Billboard charting artist. He is best known

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<v Speaker 2>for being one of the stars and main judge on

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<v Speaker 2>b ET's original programming series One Shot. He's also well

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<v Speaker 2>known for numerous hit singles, including the top five Billboard

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<v Speaker 2>hit Beautiful Day and Billboard top forty hits hard Working

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<v Speaker 2>Man and You're My Kind of Beautiful. Smith has worked

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<v Speaker 2>with many artists including DJ khaled T, I, Juicy J,

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<v Speaker 2>Royce five nine, Remy ma and Gilby Clark of Guns N' Roses.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that's quite an interesting list. Like he also

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<v Speaker 3>apparently has Wikipedia editing privileges.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was gonna say, Like, okay, so that

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<v Speaker 2>was written by him. Let's break this down though. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like another Mister World ride here. Sure he's got

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<v Speaker 2>his fingers and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know if you look up Pitbull, he outranks

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<v Speaker 3>the dog you go in and like, yeah, he's very form.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy I saw I am Mister World activated by

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<v Speaker 2>the inclusion of Gilby Clark at the end of that

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<v Speaker 2>list of artists. Oh, it's like a punchline, exactly, beautiful scorpions.

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<v Speaker 2>The video for hard Working Man is up on Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Smith's YouTube page. It's typical American idol style fare right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like country pop and he walks around a cowboy

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<v Speaker 2>hat and like a tight T shirt and he's got

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<v Speaker 2>a loaded six string on his back playing for keeps

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron and he might not get The video has.

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<v Speaker 4>More than a million views.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care, I don't Is he ringing a bell?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever heard of him?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I well no, let's talk about b Et one Shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you didn't remember him from that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you. B Et one Shot ran from twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's that was dragging my blackout.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like American Idol for hip Hop, hosted by

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<v Speaker 2>Sway Callowaymah yeah, at least that's what the IMDb description says.

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<v Speaker 2>Sway is only a producer in the credits. No, he

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<v Speaker 2>was on it. Mike Smith is listed as the main judge.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he has IMDb editing.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got everywhere. He's an admin of every website you've

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<v Speaker 3>ever been.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you the guy there it is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's alongside t I, Twista, dj K and everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Video Vixen Emmy Elliott.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always wanted to be called a video to.

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<v Speaker 2>As like her title is video Vixen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want that title to Elizabeth want to be

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<v Speaker 3>video here by.

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<v Speaker 2>W video Vixen. And you can put it on a business.

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<v Speaker 3>Card really suitable for framing you go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>So Smith, he's introduced on the show as quote, music

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<v Speaker 2>producer and owner of S m H Records. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so the fellow judges of his King Crooked k x

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<v Speaker 2>NG Crooked and King Tech.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to kings.

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<v Speaker 2>They're introduced as quote considered one of the West Coast

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<v Speaker 2>greatest m seas of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>And one King Bible story.

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<v Speaker 2>And the man who helped spark the careers of Eminem

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<v Speaker 2>and jay Z.

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<v Speaker 3>I find that hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, King Tech is this bar area dute. He got

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<v Speaker 2>a morning show at Cameol with sway. Oh hell, he

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<v Speaker 2>took it to New York, So that's how he.

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<v Speaker 3>Gets So he played them early.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, okay, exactly No, I was the.

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<v Speaker 3>First person to play jay Z. I was the first

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<v Speaker 3>person to play.

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<v Speaker 2>But he makes it like I made them who they are.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like he was in the studio but a little louder.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, how about we do it this way?

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<v Speaker 3>Do it on the ones and twos.

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<v Speaker 2>Spoiler alerte for you. The winner of one Shot was

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<v Speaker 2>a dude named three, which is like, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to have a career, make it really googleable three three,

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<v Speaker 2>so unless.

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<v Speaker 3>Your pit bull and then just.

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<v Speaker 2>Dominate take that dog. In his finale performance, he's dressed

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<v Speaker 2>like Jesus in a middle school passion play. Like he's

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<v Speaker 2>draped in a flat sheet, has a crown of thorns

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<v Speaker 2>that looks like it came from the Christmas garlic section

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<v Speaker 2>at Michael's. And he's wearing a pair of white running shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I cannot stress to you how horrible his

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<v Speaker 2>performance is. I feel like there's nothing that I can

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<v Speaker 2>say that will adequately adequately.

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<v Speaker 4>Convey how bad it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have a b ET plus subscription to

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<v Speaker 2>mine expired the actual episode. But I found a YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>video titled b ET one Shot Winter three, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>in it this is like one of the first time

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<v Speaker 2>I always say things on here. I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it is, and then people email or message

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<v Speaker 2>us and be like, you know, it's there's a YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>video of it. I'm like, what's that? I actually went

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<v Speaker 2>on the YouTube. So anyway, this b ET one shot

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<v Speaker 2>Winter three video someone filmed their TV with their classes poorly,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like, it's such it's so good. Three, as

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<v Speaker 2>part of his prize, got a record deal with Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Smith's s m H Records. I found Three's Instagram and

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like he has all sorts of hustles, like

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<v Speaker 2>inspirational stuff. He sells merch for some thing that he got.

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<v Speaker 3>Like hooked up as Sesame Street. You know, they used

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<v Speaker 3>to be like brought to you by the letter the

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<v Speaker 3>number H.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got it better. He's got it better. He also

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<v Speaker 2>has a link on there to his only fans.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I had never visiteds like Sands Clothing on.

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<v Speaker 2>The never visited that website. And I can say that

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<v Speaker 2>I truly regret. I truly regret clicking the link in

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<v Speaker 2>the bio.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you see, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 2>I not terrible things.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't you forget them?

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<v Speaker 5>It's so terrible, dude, seriously about them. I had to

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<v Speaker 5>I had to wash my computer. I put my computer

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<v Speaker 5>in the dishwasher, threw the laptop in there, and I said,

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<v Speaker 5>get behind me, satan.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. So, I think it's safe to say that Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Smith did not make three a Star, you know, unless

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<v Speaker 2>he's is three.

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<v Speaker 3>In the process of making three Star on his own.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 6>So.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the deal with this record label?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm just always asking myself. The website is

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<v Speaker 2>smhworldwide dot net. Oh wow, and that is killing me

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<v Speaker 2>dead in my tracks. And according to Pitchbook, the label

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<v Speaker 2>was founded in twenty thirteen. It's based in Cornelius, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like twenty miles north of downtown Charlotte, Okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, that's also where the wrapper three happens

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<v Speaker 2>to be from.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh shocking, interesting cousin.

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<v Speaker 2>So Cornelius is a Charlotte suburb at this point, and

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<v Speaker 2>Charlotte like just continues to grow and grow. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Smah records. It was originally called Smith and Hay Productions.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll find out about Hey later. The label claims to

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<v Speaker 2>have raised thirty million dollars in venture capital funds upon

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<v Speaker 2>its inception. They did not spend any of that money

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<v Speaker 2>on their.

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<v Speaker 3>Website, I'm guessing not.

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<v Speaker 2>The list of their artists is a doozy Mike Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>The top of Mike Smith, I mean the household flags

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<v Speaker 2>sway he's an artist apparently. And then William Lee Golden

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<v Speaker 2>of the Oakridge Boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Not William Lee Golden of the Okridge Boy Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I know William Golding, but no William Lee Golden. David Frizzell,

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<v Speaker 2>brother of Lefty Frizzell. What, Yeah, his big hits were

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<v Speaker 2>You're the reason God made Oklahoma And I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>hire a whino to decorate our home, Dear God, I

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I were making that up. Then there's Goldie Locks.

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<v Speaker 2>Her bio reads. Moonshadow is an American singer and professional

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<v Speaker 2>wrestler known as Goldilocks or Goldie Locks. She is perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>best known for her appearances with Total NonStop Action Wrestling

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<v Speaker 2>as an interviewer and manager. Oh lord, then we got

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Kramer up in there. His bio begins, Jesse Kramer's

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<v Speaker 2>story is as authentic as it is unpredictable, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it concludes with the quote, I think the best way

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<v Speaker 2>to really understand the world is through music. I would

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<v Speaker 2>like people to feel and vibe with me and let

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<v Speaker 2>them know that there's still authentic, raw and genuine music

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<v Speaker 2>out there. Simply put, I want my music to really

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<v Speaker 2>touch people. And I'm ready to do whatever it takes

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<v Speaker 2>and go anywhere I must to make this happen.

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<v Speaker 3>See like, that could be an earnest sentiment I would

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<v Speaker 3>agree with, And that could be the most annoying person.

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<v Speaker 3>I never wanted to be stuck in an elevator world.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It's like he's been on a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of say the name is Jesse Wesll.

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<v Speaker 4>His name was Jesse Kramer, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been on a couple of reality TV music competition shows.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what that quote kind of sounds like. It

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<v Speaker 2>does that we got Dave Gibson, Dude, Dave Gibson, the

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<v Speaker 2>songwriter who has some sort of connection to the Oakridge Boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, to go on.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we have Music of the Sea, Music of

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<v Speaker 2>the Seed that's a hybrid publishing and licensing company, and

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like they're there. They know they're like the

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<v Speaker 2>middleman between labels or artists and the entities that want

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<v Speaker 2>to use their song like movie soundtracks.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, they do like licensing. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So SMH Records claims to have twenty top ten Billboard

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<v Speaker 2>charting albums and if you want to know which ones,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have to guess because they're not listed anyway. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what the website says. SMH Records is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest indie labels in the world, with twenty top

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<v Speaker 2>ten Billboard charting albums, numerous top forty singles, and over

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<v Speaker 2>one point five billion streams for our artists. SMH Records

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<v Speaker 2>is by far the most effect of label for independent

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<v Speaker 2>artists out there. And then they go on to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about their diverse catalog listing all these random names. H

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<v Speaker 2>SMH Records has had albums chart in the top ten

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<v Speaker 2>on Billboard for numerous genres, including rock, Country, Americana, Jazz, Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>and hip hop.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just a one stop shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Smith dot net. I went there. He says he

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<v Speaker 2>got three top ten singles, over one billion streams, five

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<v Speaker 2>number one Billboard charting albums. Check out the McDonald's over there,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet neither of us has ever heard of him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's secretly popular.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still doubting at all, and as you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can see, I'm not paying him much reverence. He comes

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<v Speaker 2>across as how do you say.

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<v Speaker 4>A con artist?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Fake?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, good buddy. I think he is allegedly allegedly.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait what is he like?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you about the alleged crimes of

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Smith because he's been indicted, but he hasn't been convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>He still deserves his stay in court.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>The accusations are probably not what you'd expect in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of scammy music industry types. Okay, it's a modern day version,

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<v Speaker 2>a new era, So.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not doing crimes against people. He's not like going

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<v Speaker 3>and doing the things that we don't like of like

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<v Speaker 3>assaulting and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting people up with his henchmen or hanging people out

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<v Speaker 3>of windows of.

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<v Speaker 2>No, let's take a break. When we come back, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to dive deeper into his catalog.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, Mike Smith, Yes, how you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>My new favorite musicians.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, according to his website, three top ten singles.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I love success.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, over a billion streams.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I look for in a musician. I'm like, how

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<v Speaker 3>many streams? I don't care what the music sounds like. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>how many streams of other people listen to this?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he have five number one Billboard charting albums? Not exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what do the kids say? The math ain't math?

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<v Speaker 3>And yes they do say that. I heard they do.

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<v Speaker 5>So.

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<v Speaker 2>He mentions hits on various Billboard charts, Jazz, hot Christian Songs,

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<v Speaker 2>top album sells. None of those are available to play

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<v Speaker 2>on any streaming serve. It has happened to be no

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<v Speaker 2>one is referred to the hoodlum ball w h O

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<v Speaker 2>O D l U M.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the players ball but ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah, And it's supposed to be a song

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<v Speaker 2>that was apparently the number one hundred and fifty six

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<v Speaker 2>song on the Billboard two hundred and twenty eighteen, but

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<v Speaker 2>it can't be played on Spotify and it come it

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<v Speaker 2>comes up as an album not a track on band

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<v Speaker 2>Camp under the name Jonathan Hay with Mike Smith and

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<v Speaker 2>DJ who Kid. Yeah. So there's a track on it

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<v Speaker 2>called Jazzmine j A Z Z M I N E.

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<v Speaker 3>Features really into the spelling, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 2>Featuring riff Raff.

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<v Speaker 3>That guy.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want, you can go bury yourself in a

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<v Speaker 2>hole on Daytona Beach and hope it collapses on you.

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<v Speaker 4>Total I did.

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<v Speaker 3>We hang out and smoke cigars and complain about how

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<v Speaker 3>things aren't plastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Hay is a music publicist and he looks like

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<v Speaker 2>Jelly Roll without the high school detention desk scribbled on

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<v Speaker 2>his face.

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<v Speaker 3>Good call.

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<v Speaker 2>His website Jonathanhay Celebrity dot com. It's pretty amazing. The

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<v Speaker 2>bios top notch. You have to indulge me so while

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<v Speaker 2>I read this is our company was established by award

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<v Speaker 2>winning publicist Jonathan Hay, who's widely recognized as a quote

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<v Speaker 2>media guru and one of the greatest publicists of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Hay's professional career started with Days of the New,

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<v Speaker 2>the multi platinum post grunge band who had four notable

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<v Speaker 2>hit singles. They are most known for Touch, Peel and

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<v Speaker 2>Stan that spent seventeen weeks at number one, breaking modern

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<v Speaker 2>rock record. The song was recently named greatest of all

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<v Speaker 2>time mainstream rock song by Billboard magazine. No, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Days of the New helped launch the career of bandmate

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole Chezingerzinger whatever the Pussycat Dolls, who have sold over

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five million records in their own right, they actually

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<v Speaker 2>have Imagine sure in March of two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna love this. This is why I'm quoting this.

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<v Speaker 2>Hay wrote Rihanna's first press release, which premiered on MTV

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<v Speaker 2>News for her debut single, Pawn Day Replay that was

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<v Speaker 2>co produced by Nobles. Shortly after, Hay launched the controversial

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<v Speaker 2>publicity stunt that helped Rihanna gain worldwide attention, which was

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<v Speaker 2>ten years after the legendary stunt, Hay was encouraged to

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<v Speaker 2>publicly apologize to Beyonce for the unauthorized biography Becoming Beyonce

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<v Speaker 2>by best selling author Jay Randy Taborelli. Hay was featured

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<v Speaker 2>in the book for his publicity tactics of spreading rumors

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<v Speaker 2>about a love triangle between jay Z Beyonce and.

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<v Speaker 4>Rihanna Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>All these actions were done without malice to help boost

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<v Speaker 2>the debut single and launch Rihanna's career. Hey confessed that

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<v Speaker 2>he started those rumors during a personally difficult time. Quote

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<v Speaker 2>the pr stunt that I did was out of desperation

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<v Speaker 2>to help break ponder replay. Hay said it was reckless

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't think it was gonna work. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see if it

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<v Speaker 2>would stick.

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<v Speaker 3>I relate. That's when I claimed that Guy Fieri was

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<v Speaker 3>afraid of playing me in trivial pursuit. Yeah, my guy

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<v Speaker 3>Fieri resists this. That's how I got famed.

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<v Speaker 2>You get the picture about this guy, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>So this guy is He's the reason why I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a personal website. People like him I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>want anything to do with. I'm so real, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even have a website.

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<v Speaker 2>Researcher Marissa has a theory that Hey is an unnamed

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<v Speaker 2>co conspirator in what the Music Publicist aka CC two

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<v Speaker 2>or the Music promoter CC four in Mike Smith's indictment.

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<v Speaker 3>Which we'll get to s Yeah, we're gonna get there.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mike Smith, he's on Spotify. His top song on

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<v Speaker 2>Spotify is a karaoke version of Tupacs I Ain't.

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<v Speaker 3>Mad at You Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, that song Hardworking Man of his

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<v Speaker 2>has more than one million streams on YouTube, but it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have any listed on Spotify. He also seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be like he's like a four hire producer and session

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<v Speaker 2>musician in Cornelius, North Carolina, which is a hotbed of

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<v Speaker 2>the music industry. I know when I hear there's a

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<v Speaker 2>hot new musical artist on the scene, I'm like, they've

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<v Speaker 2>got to be out of Cornelius.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell It's like, is it Muscles Show? Is it Cornelias One?

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to be one or the other. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>streaming way back in the day. Let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So musicians and songwriters they make money on streaming services

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<v Speaker 2>via royalty pennies on the dollar, right, oh, less than pennies.

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<v Speaker 2>None of the services Spotify, Apple, YouTube, et cetera. None

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<v Speaker 2>of them want to say exactly what they pay, but

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<v Speaker 2>the general range is from fractions of a penny per

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<v Speaker 2>play to possibly a penny per stream. So Business Insider

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<v Speaker 2>says that Spotify pays artists and rights holders about point

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<v Speaker 2>zero zero three dollars. So you know of a cent

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<v Speaker 2>or point zero zero five penny per stream.

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<v Speaker 3>How long have we been saying pay the piper. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we know you got to pay the musicians. We want

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<v Speaker 3>the musicians.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. For most and here's the weird thing. For most platforms,

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<v Speaker 2>Spotify and Apple specifically, the money is paid proportionately. There's

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<v Speaker 2>something that's called stream share.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an algorithm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a proportional number based on all total monthly.

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<v Speaker 4>Streams per country.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So DK Music Business Academy explains it as such. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>In simple terms, this means that if you, an artist

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<v Speaker 2>were to receive one in every ten thousand streams in

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<v Speaker 2>the United Kingdom, you'd receive one pound out of every

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand pounds that Spotify pays to artists out of

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>their particular royalty pool for the UK. Because of the

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<v Speaker 2>way stream share is calculated, the amount of monthly royalties

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<v Speaker 2>you'd get for streams on your tracks is highly dependent

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<v Speaker 2>on whereabouts your music is streamed and Spotify's own revenue

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<v Speaker 2>for that market. So there's an alleged crime in here

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<v Speaker 2>aside from this, what it all?

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<v Speaker 3>Of this?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the crime all? Quote from the US Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Justice and their indictment. Please, from approximately twenty seventeen and

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<v Speaker 2>up to and including twenty twenty four, Michael Smith, a defendant,

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<v Speaker 2>orchestrated a scheme to steal millions of dollars of musical

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<v Speaker 2>royalties by fraudulently inflating music streams on digital streaming platforms

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<v Speaker 2>such as Amazon Music, outter Music, Spotify, YouTube Music. Who, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>what does this mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth Great questions Aaron so First.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith, he made a bunch of fake streaming accounts using

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<v Speaker 2>email addresses that he purchased online. And when I say

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch, I'm talking thousands.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering, I'm like, this isn't seven ten thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>He even outsourced the creation and maintenance of these streaming

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<v Speaker 2>accounts to paid co conspirators, And it's a lot for

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<v Speaker 2>just one man to man.

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<v Speaker 3>I was figuring he had like whatever those task grabit

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 3>type people, and in another country it could be Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't do these types of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>So then he created.

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<v Speaker 2>Software to stream his own music on loops from all

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 2>these different computers, so it made it look like there

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<v Speaker 2>were individual listeners logging in from different places to hear

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<v Speaker 2>the sweet tunes of now Remember how the fellas at

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<v Speaker 2>Studio fifty four had to call him in their ledger

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<v Speaker 2>marked skim Well. In twenty seventeen, Mike Smith emailed himself

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<v Speaker 2>a financial breakdown that calculated the kind of money he

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<v Speaker 2>could make with this. He figured he could stream his

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<v Speaker 2>songs six hundred and sixty one, four hundred and forty

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:24.199
<v Speaker 2>times each day. WHOA so six hundred and sixty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>times a day that he figured that's going to let

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 2>him take in daily royalty payments of like thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars as much as one point two million in

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<v Speaker 2>a year.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So the streaming services they're totally onto this though, like

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<v Speaker 2>they're expecting this. They know that people are greedy and

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<v Speaker 2>looking to crime. Smith one step ahead. Like de Bone

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<v Speaker 2>in Fast Times, he cast a wide net, so he

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<v Speaker 2>spread his activity across a shoop ton of fake songs

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<v Speaker 2>rather than just like they're looking for like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>one song out of nowhere has a no this way,

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 2>the tunes of his wouldn't draw attention because individual songs

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't get too many hits. That's where people are making

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<v Speaker 2>their mistake. Zarin, close your eyes. Oh, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to picture you are a pizza delivery driver. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen and the door dashes of the world are just

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 2>starting to creep into your turf. Not really out here

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<v Speaker 2>in Cornelius, North Carolina, but in bigger cities for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a delivery to a subdivision. You don't recognize

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<v Speaker 2>the address, but there you are, cruise along Old Statesville

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Road with a steaming pie in your back seat. That's

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>not a euphanism. You're a pizza delivery driver.

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<v Speaker 7>Dang.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a typical North Carolina summer day. Hot, muggy, oppressively so,

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>the air is thick with moisture and the buzz of cicadas.

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>You see the address and screech to a halt. You

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<v Speaker 2>reach behind you and grab the pizza, and then get

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>out and make your way to the front door. The

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>heat and humidity hit you like a heavy blanket. You

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<v Speaker 2>ring the bell and wait. A middle aged man opens

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<v Speaker 2>a door and.

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<v Speaker 4>Feats you with a smile.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, in, He offers, no, you just try and

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<v Speaker 2>hand him with the pizza and tell him the total.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta go get my wallet, and I don't want

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>to leave the front door open, and I don't want

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 2>to make you stand outside in the heat. Come on in,

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 2>he tells you, against your better judgment. You do. The

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 2>house is cool and dark, but not creepily, so follow me.

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>The guy tells you. You trail after him down a

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>hall and into what looks like a music studio. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a faint melody playing from the speakers, some sort of

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>acoustic guitar stuff. Another guy sits at a production deck,

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<v Speaker 2>fiddling with some knobs. I don't see how you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to make a hundred songs this week, Mike,

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the man at the deck says, Mike tells you to

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 2>set the pizza on the table. When you oblige, the

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>man at the deck spins around his chair and is

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 2>startled to see you. You raise a feeble wave at

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<v Speaker 2>him and keep your eye on Mike, who's digging through

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>a pile of stuff on the table.

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<v Speaker 4>Until he triumphantly produces a wallet.

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<v Speaker 2>Aha, he says. Then he tells the other man, I've

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<v Speaker 2>tried farming it out. I bought some songs from a

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<v Speaker 2>catalog and I got some studio guys in. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>not cost effective and it takes so much time. Zarin,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a bit of an amateur futurist. You saw something

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 2>recently on Reddit about music production and AI. You mentioned

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 2>to Mike as he digs through his wallet. Ay, I

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>don't mean interfere or eavesdrop, but if you need to

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 2>make a bunch of songs in a short amount of time,

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>have you thought about using AI? Artificial intelligence AI? Says Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy at the soundboard shuts off the music in

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<v Speaker 2>the background. You go on to explain to the pair

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 2>how it works and what they need to do. Mike's

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>face lights up. He hands you one hundred dollars bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep the change, kid. Now you are a sixty year

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 2>old woman. But whatever, A tip's a tip, all right. So, however,

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>he came to the realization. Sure, outside of that fictionalization,

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Smith found that using AI would be a way to

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<v Speaker 2>make faster and cheaper music than what he had been

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<v Speaker 2>trying so far.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what I'm hold by Sam Altman.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't just write his own songs fast enough. I mean,

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>hard working man was lightning in a bottle. How can

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 2>you force such.

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<v Speaker 3>An Yeah, I mean not everyone has that in them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then it's like he bought a catalog belonging to

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<v Speaker 2>a music publicist, but that didn't work out for him,

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>And after that he tried selling his bot farming services

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 2>to other musicians who would pay him to play their

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>music or like hand over a chunk of their royalties

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>when he did, and he didn't get any takers for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So bring on the robots. Let's pause for our robot

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>advertising overlords. When we get back, AI is about to

0:31:36.520 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>ruin everything, just like it had been foretold. Mike Smith.

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:05.959
<v Speaker 2>Mike Smith, Mike Smith, He's about to bust a serious scam, allegedly,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rooting for allegedly.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd stick it to the streamers. I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>He teamed up with the CEO of an AI music

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>company and a music promoter, and these two happened to

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>avoid any trouble with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Law on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah Smith, But Smith, Okay, So he creates an

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely obscenely large catalog of AI songs, fake songs, you'll like, thousands,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>thousands of songs. There's no meaning, no heart no artistry,

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 2>bogus computer slacking, three long yeah, and so he's yeah thousands.

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 2>He's uploaded the streaming platforms every week. So he and

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 2>his partners made sure to put their misdeeds in writing.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the executives wrote to him in an email

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen that said, in part, quote keep in

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<v Speaker 2>mind what we're doing musically here. This is not music.

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>It's quote instant music. And then like the winking emoji,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Department of Justice, the AI music exec

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<v Speaker 2>quote ultimately provided Smith with hundreds of thousands of AI

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<v Speaker 2>songs for which he could manipulate the streams. I shall

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<v Speaker 2>read to you from the indictment Zara oh Yes. Smith

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<v Speaker 2>then created randomly generated song and artist names for audio

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<v Speaker 2>files so that they would appear to have been created

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<v Speaker 2>by real artists rather than artificial intelligence. For example, an

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<v Speaker 2>alphabetically consecutive selection of twenty five of the names of

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<v Speaker 2>the AI song Smith used is as follows. Zygo facia, zygophyllasia, zygophyllum,

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:53.719
<v Speaker 2>zygo septaria, zygoceptaris, zygopteron, zykeeptaurus, zygospork, zygotetiges, zygos, zygotic, zygotic, laney,

0:33:53.920 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 2>zygotic washstands, zyme, bedoing, zymes, zimite, zymophyte, zime, cimogenic, zymologies. I'moplastics,

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>i'm apears, imotechnicals, smotechnic, zimozymss. I love that the departments, like,

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 2>get a load of this crap. Here's twenty five just

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>the z songs. Those are just song names.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 3>And so he just got got around like zygo and

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 3>was like, I can work with this.

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I think he had every letter of the alphabet just

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>like planned out. Anyway. The quote continues similarly in an

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 2>alphabetical consecutive selection of twenty five of the names of

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 2>quote artists in the AI song Smith used is as follows. Calliope, bloom, calliope, ratum, callous, callous, humane, callous,

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>post callousness, calm, baseball, calm connected, calm force, calm identity,

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 2>calm innovation, calm knuckles, calm market, calm the super, calm, weary,

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 2>calm scorching, calorie event, calorie events, calorie screams, Calvin Man, calvinistic, dust,

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 2>calypso Zord, Cambelist, Dyson, Camelsi, Minerva, cambis cagelings and camel edible.

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 3>Calliope balloom sounds like a name you come up here

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 3>at a bar that you didn't want to tell someone

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 3>your real name completely.

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm a huge fan of the songs I'm be doing, but.

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Call them the super how you're not going to since I.

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<v Speaker 2>Cannot play any of these for you on here because

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 2>they no longer exist. I asked the ridiculous crime director

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of Tech Services, who has a PhD in the Miami

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>big bass sound. Oh that's right, yeah, oh yeah, Bogo

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Donner bar like whose parents would do that to their kid?

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 2>But I asked him to approximate a tune for us

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 2>and he was offended.

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a human to do ai music.

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 2>And then he decided to express his offense through song.

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.280
<v Speaker 3>Would you like that's a true artistic statement.

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Would you like to hear this?

0:35:55.640 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 3>You know it? Smash that play button. If you're hearing this,

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 3>it's too late. The computers have taken over and they're

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 3>writing freaky songs and song songs. I want to write

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 3>a million hand songs and songs and song songs.

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 2>So I want to write a million hand song and

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 2>saying over and.

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 3>The bringing over a saying over taking. I love that.

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it really captures the essence of what's going on.

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like a mystery science theater three thousand like

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 3>if it if they could put out like an album

0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 3>of hits, I would expect that song to be on.

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>It done, done it again.

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Du bongo always he doesn't miss Now that's a big drummo.

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Never never misses. I did ask chat GPT to write

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 2>me some lyrics for a song called zime Bedoing by

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Calm the super It.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Would be a fun name to name a kid, Chad GPT.

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Chad, She said, Chad name, and then have his middle

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 2>initials be GPT.

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but spelled out like g e e.

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay elon. All right, So we want to hear

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics that chat that Chad GPT wrote for zime

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Be doing verse one, in the quiet of the storm,

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I found the light, a shimmer in the dark where

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 2>day meets night. Zime Be doing whispers on the breeze,

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 2>like a quiet song carried through the trees. And then

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the pre chorus, I felt it in the pulse deep inside,

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 2>a rhythm from the earth, No need to hide, zime

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Be doing touches something true it's a feeling I can't shake,

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's new. And then the chorus, zime be doing.

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>It's in my vein a gentle wave of love, like

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>summer rain. Every drop is a memory, soft and pure.

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Zime be doing. We endure, We.

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Endure, ride like a horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, AI thinks the artist is garbage. I guess this

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>is like something that someone would play on an autoharp

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 2>at an open mic night at a coffee shop in

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five. After listening to forty eight hours of

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.120
<v Speaker 2>nothing but Enya and Tool.

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 3>And Live altogether.

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I can see that zime be dooing umberdure.

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Finding a rhyme for zime but doing is not easy.

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I love it so much. By June twenty nineteen, Smith

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 2>was earning more than one hundred thousand dollars a month

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 2>a month a month, and he had to peel some

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of that offer as co conspirators. According to the indictment.

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure the BBC wrote quote mister Smith, prosecutors said

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 2>flatly lied to music distribution companies. In October twenty eighteen,

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 2>one company informed mister Smith that it had received quote

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 2>reports of streaming abuse and that it planned to remove

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>his songs from all stores and then, according to Variety, quote,

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 2>we need to get a ton of songs fast to

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 2>make this work around the anti fraud policies these guys

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 2>are all using. Now, that's what he wrote in an

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 2>email to his co conspiracy.

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 3>You need to get around the anti fraud because what

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 3>we're doing I have to fraud harder. Brought more.

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>The Mechanical Licensing Collective reached out to him, well more

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 2>than reached out.

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 4>They confronted him.

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>I was wondering, Yeah, they're the ones who distribute the royalty.

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>So this was in twenty twenty three. They figured there

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>was absolutely no way he could be generating that much

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:43.359
<v Speaker 2>authentic music. He had to be using AI. And that

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't even touch on the whole streaming.

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Bots part of it.

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so Smith, he denies any problem with what

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>he's up to. Quote, this is what a representative. We

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>have clearly demonstrated that Mike Smith's works are not AI generated,

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 2>but rather they are human authored.

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.240
<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, because he wrote in the title, well.

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Calm the super is everyone's favorite artist. I don't know.

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>In February twenty twenty four, he wrote an email.

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Calorie event though, I mean I saw the red Rock.

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh in original lollapalo so good.

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Body count, calorie event and I think it was d side.

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.799
<v Speaker 3>It was an amazing show. Calm Knuckles was there and

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 3>punched the clown.

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>So Smith wrote an email another email in twenty twenty

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:38.359
<v Speaker 2>four quote talking about his existing music has generated at

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>this point over four billion streams and twelve million dollars

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 2>in royalties since twenty nineteen.

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Four billion. Take that j long, we know.

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 2>How much a billion is.

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot, a lot of twelve million dollars.

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of money. It's like Taylor Swift money.

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's good money.

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 4>September twenty you can find it.

0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:03.879
<v Speaker 2>He gets arrested, so they charged him with wire fraud conspiracy, wirefraud,

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>time money laundering conspiracy. Oh yeah, he could get up

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 2>to sixty years in prison. He's not happy. He wrote

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 2>a strongly worded letter.

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh good for him. So he's doing the praz defense

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 3>from Fuji.

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is what he said. Quote. This is absolutely

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 2>wrong and crazy. There is absolutely no fraud going on whatsoever.

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:32.959
<v Speaker 2>How can I appeal this? That doesn't sound like AI

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And in fact I asked chat GPT to write me

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 2>a paragraph denying the charges. Yeah, this is what chat

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:42.439
<v Speaker 2>GPT came about.

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<v Speaker 3>God.

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 2>I categorically deny any involvement in wire fraud or money

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>laundering in connection with music created by AI. At no

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 2>point have I engaged in any illicit activities relating to

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the production, distribution, or financial transactions involving AI generated music.

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>My actions have always been income clients with all relevant

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.800
<v Speaker 2>laws and ethical guidelines. The creation and use of AI

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and music is a legitimate and innovative field, and I

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>have been here strictly to all legal and professional standards

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 2>in my work. Any suggestion of illegal conduct regarding these

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>matters is entirely unfounded and untrue.

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Wow, hey, I got a lot to say.

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I love that AI defends AI music totally.

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 3>I got a question for you. You remember like the

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you went to Sunday School, but

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 3>you did CCD education with Catholics.

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I went to Catholics.

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 3>At some point some kid will say, you know, can

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 3>God make a rock so big even God can't raise it?

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Or say old George Carlin, bitch.

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 3>But I want to know is does anybody ever asked

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 3>AI to write a letter saying I've never used AI

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 3>took pleasure. Yeah, I want them and then put that

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 3>in court. I want someone to go to court and

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 3>he use a letter that says written by Ai, that

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 3>says I never used AI, and I want to see

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 3>how AI writes letter.

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>As Bongo wrote in his song it's too late.

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the computer.

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Smith he pleaded not guilty. Of course, bail said at

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 2>five hundred thousand dollars. Trial coming up to be determined,

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna mark this one as unresolved. And again

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>remember he has only been indicted, not convicted, so everything's

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>alleged totally. We're just fun in over here. Shortly after

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>the indictment, though, Spotify chimed in. The company said that

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 2>its platform accounted for less than one percent of the

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>ten million dollars generated in the fraud case. Quote Spotify

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>invests heavily in automated and manual reviews to prevent, detect,

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:38.359
<v Speaker 2>and mitigate the impact of artificial streaming on our platform.

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Is what they were flexing on the others.

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Like in this case, it appears that our preventative measures

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>worked and limited the royalties Smith was able to generate

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 2>from Spotify to approximately sixty thousand dollars of the ten

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 2>million noted in the indictment, as Spotify typically accounts for

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:01.240
<v Speaker 2>around fifty percent of stream share. This shows how effective

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>we are at limiting the impact of artificial streaming on

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 2>our platform.

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Now you are more of a fan of petty than

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I am. On a scale of like five side eyes.

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 3>How what would you rate that on pettiness?

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they're basically like unlike some other platforms. Oh, I'd

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 2>give them four side eyes. Wow, they're like, you know,

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.759
<v Speaker 2>unlike Amazon Music, we have security.

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 3>The title you lazy, the grand is still.

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 2>A good chunk of change, you know, for fake songs.

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 3>I'll take it, Saren.

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 2>What's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 3>AI?

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.240
<v Speaker 2>AI I mean like AI.

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm so I'm still so mad that I used

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:38.760
<v Speaker 3>to be able to say the words to the letters

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 3>rather AI. And everybody knew I met Alan Iverson. I

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 3>knew I met Alan Iverson. And now when I say AI,

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean like the one of the worst most destructive

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 3>forces on the planet. And everyone was like, man, I

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>wish he was talking about Alan Iverson.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 4>Good point.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 3>There you go, Elizabeth.

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 2>It's hard enough to make it as a musician, then

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.320
<v Speaker 2>you got to wade through this garbage totally.

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also the streamers. Just before that, you have

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 3>the streamers, then you got AI now on the back

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 3>end coming at you.

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I want I want like a major like electromagnetic event

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of course, to wipe everything out. We got to go

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 2>back to like cassettes and singles.

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 3>I want more emphasis on live music. So people are like,

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 3>and I mean like not live music, like when you

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 3>go to see a show. I mean like your uncle

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:29.319
<v Speaker 3>starts playing the piano in the room and everyone comes

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 3>in and starts that. I see that stuff in like

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 3>old movies. You know, I watch a lot of old culture. Yeah,

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.840
<v Speaker 3>my brothers exactly. It still exist in some of these

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 3>multi generational homes and homes of musicians, but I want

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 3>it used to be everybody. But also before we had

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.879
<v Speaker 3>recorded music, almost every home they played music.

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they had a piano or something.

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 3>Somebody listen.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 2>The other thing is that when you're talking about live music,

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 2>it shows I back the Jack White.

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Put in the back the best.

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 2>It was amazing being in a show like that where

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't see phones up, everyone's just watching this.

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:01.879
<v Speaker 3>Thank you inting me to that.

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.360
<v Speaker 2>That was super cool, welcome, But like, I hate going

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 2>to a show I've never done it. Like, I just

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 2>see the person in front of me. They're filming the

0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 2>whole thing.

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Now they have iPads, like they hold up iPads. I

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 3>gotta start through.

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 2>The bad Grandma at a high school graduation.

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just mug them, just still like we got

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 3>both hands on the iPad. Have no hand on your wallet.

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 3>That's a good I'm kidding. I don't do that anymore.

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Dave, could you perhaps favorite with the talk bag?

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Hell? Yeah, I like that call. Oh my god, I

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 3>love jet.

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 6>Ahright, I'm Karen. I just got finished listening to the

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 6>ltimb Stevens Junior kidnapping episode, and you brought up the

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.839
<v Speaker 6>town of Ramlap, Alabama, where the kidnappers are from, and

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 6>how ram Lap is Palmer felt backwards and wondered if

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 6>Palmer was already taken kind of yes. I grew up

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 6>in Palmerdale, Alabama. My mom grew up in one of

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 6>my b Alabama. They are very close to each other.

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 6>The ridiculous story I always heard growing up was that

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 6>there was one mister Palmer who needed to name two

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 6>towns after two different sounds.

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 2>And this was a solution. That is I love that

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>look at me guy, like home, Thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Appreciates you.

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