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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: There, listen, I want you to think very carefully about this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do I need to like focus?

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Speaker 2: You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, it is easy. I got this one Elizabeth

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Speaker 3: two pays. No, they're not ridiculous. That's not the part.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't done two pays with cocaine underneath them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: A man, a Columbian man, got busted trying to leave

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Speaker 3: Columbia with what under his hat cokayene. This man had

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Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty grams in little packages shoved up

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Speaker 3: underneath his two pay glued down to his head, and

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Speaker 3: somehow people spotted this two is.

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Speaker 2: A lot because one hundred and twenty grams is one

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Speaker 3: They have to be wrong because I'm going off with

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Speaker 3: British tabloids from.

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Speaker 2: Two cups of whole all purpose.

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Speaker 3: He has a bunch of them. Although that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's like little circles around the size of a quarter,

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Speaker 2: But it made that it would lift off his head.

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Speaker 3: That was also how he got caught. It was like

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Speaker 3: there was a woman who got caught in Newark, which

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Speaker 3: she had the same thing. She had like a beehive,

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Speaker 3: and she filled it with cocaine. I think I told

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Speaker 3: you about her. I always love looking at people like

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Speaker 3: how they get caught with cocaine in airports. It's one

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Speaker 3: of my hobbies, it is. Anyway, So this guy gets

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Speaker 3: caught with his twopey and they like, there's footage of them,

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Speaker 3: hair hat if you will, and then you're cutting it out.

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Speaker 3: But they only claim that it's worth ten thousand dollars. Well,

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Speaker 3: how is that possible? Two hundred and twenty grams only

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: That's what's ridiculous, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Well, do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: How they value drugs on the Okay?

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Speaker 2: What Elizabeth Robot music? Oh hell yeah, this is ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and undred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I know you heard that.

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Speaker 2: It's right, you heard it. You and I know a

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, surprisingly.

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly back in the day, these musicians they sold these

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Speaker 3: They still saw those. They just don't they actually anymore.

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Speaker 2: CDs, CD ROM CDs. But like, the album sales was

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Speaker 3: Physical act it's really important.

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Speaker 2: And tour is where the real money is. You're not yet, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But then the Internet came along and then Metallica, suit

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Speaker 3: That they found a way to make it legal.

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Speaker 2: That's true. And the streaming was in and streaming, so

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Speaker 2: with Napster and LimeWire in them, you were downloading files

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Speaker 2: I mean we've all done it.

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Speaker 2: But pretty soon music, as you said, was totally portable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what we you know, we get what

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Speaker 2: So some artists they do really, really well with streaming

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Speaker 2: What years ago, I had students tell me about this

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Speaker 4: That's cool.

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Speaker 2: But their acts on Spotify on the Spotify list like Marshmallow,

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Speaker 2: Teddy Swims, Daddy Yanky right that replaced Arthur Okay, do

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Speaker 2: did you know Arjit Singh, an Indian singer in contemporary

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Speaker 2: triple sing Yes, I know. Then of course there's Mike Smith.

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Speaker 2: Mike Smith, not Mike Jones, Mike Jones and not Sam Smith,

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Speaker 3: Mike Smith, like the Replacements or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Mike Smith, Mike and the Mechanics.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Mike Smith.

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Speaker 2: Mike Smith is huge Smith. Let me read you, Let

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Speaker 2: me read you some of his Spotify bio.

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Speaker 3: Just help you out here, Please inform me, educate me.

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Speaker 2: Mike plays twelve instruments and used this ability to perform

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Speaker 2: and produce all of his upcoming album Pieces of My Soul.

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Speaker 2: Mike is Cuban American. His mother was born in Havana, Cuba.

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Speaker 2: The father of six has a great love story with

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Speaker 2: his wife, Erica Smith. Mike and Erica almost married in college,

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Speaker 2: they reconnected and have been together ever since. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I got to laugh at trying to explain to somebody. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm really Cuban, all right, Mike Smith, Okay, Mike Smith.

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Speaker 2: He says. He says that he's related to Fidel Castro,

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Speaker 2: Justin Trudeau's cousin. So Bustle magazine said that Smith quote

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Speaker 2: first made his fortune in the nineteen nineties when he

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Speaker 2: According to his website, he then built, bought, and sold

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Speaker 3: Totally. It's the artist path.

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Speaker 4: It completely is.

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Speaker 3: This is according canuisitions on your way.

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Speaker 2: To Can I read to you from Wikipedia?

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Speaker 2: Which is like my favorite thing to hear. Mike's is

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Speaker 2: a Cuban American recording artist, record and television producer. He's

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Speaker 2: Man and You're My Kind of Beautiful. Smith has worked

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Speaker 2: Royce five nine, Remy ma and Gilby Clark of Guns N' Roses.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's quite an interesting list. Like he also

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Speaker 3: apparently has Wikipedia editing privileges.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say, Like, okay, so that

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Speaker 2: was written by him. Let's break this down though. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's like another Mister World ride here. Sure he's got

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Speaker 3: Do you know if you look up Pitbull, he outranks

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Speaker 2: I'm happy I saw I am Mister World activated by

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Speaker 2: the inclusion of Gilby Clark at the end of that

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Speaker 2: list of artists. Oh, it's like a punchline, exactly, beautiful scorpions.

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Speaker 2: The video for hard Working Man is up on Mike

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Speaker 2: Smith's YouTube page. It's typical American idol style fare right.

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Speaker 2: It's like country pop and he walks around a cowboy

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Speaker 2: Aaron and he might not get The video has.

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Speaker 2: I don't care, I don't Is he ringing a bell?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of him?

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Speaker 2: Well, I well no, let's talk about b Et one Shot.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't remember him from that. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you. B Et one Shot ran from twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: Oh that's that was dragging my blackout.

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Speaker 2: It was like American Idol for hip Hop, hosted by

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Speaker 2: Sway Callowaymah yeah, at least that's what the IMDb description says.

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Speaker 2: Sway is only a producer in the credits. No, he

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Speaker 2: was on it. Mike Smith is listed as the main judge.

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Speaker 2: I think he has IMDb editing.

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Speaker 3: He's got everywhere. He's an admin of every website you've

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Speaker 2: Video Vixen Emmy Elliott.

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Speaker 2: As like her title is video Vixen.

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Speaker 2: W video Vixen. And you can put it on a business.

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Speaker 2: So Smith, he's introduced on the show as quote, music

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Speaker 2: And the man who helped spark the careers of Eminem

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Speaker 3: I find that hard to believe.

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Speaker 2: Well, King Tech is this bar area dute. He got

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Speaker 2: a morning show at Cameol with sway. Oh hell, he

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, exactly No, I was the.

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Speaker 3: First person to play jay Z. I was the first

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Speaker 2: But he makes it like I made them who they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like he was in the studio but a little louder.

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Speaker 2: He was like, how about we do it this way?

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Speaker 3: Do it on the ones and twos.

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Speaker 2: Spoiler alerte for you. The winner of one Shot was

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Speaker 2: a dude named three, which is like, if you want

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Speaker 3: Your pit bull and then just.

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Speaker 2: Dominate take that dog. In his finale performance, he's dressed

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Speaker 2: at Michael's. And he's wearing a pair of white running shoes.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I cannot stress to you how horrible his

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Speaker 3: What did you see, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: I not terrible things.

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Speaker 2: Uh. So, I think it's safe to say that Mike

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Speaker 2: What's the deal with this record label?

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm just always asking myself. The website is

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Speaker 2: The list of their artists is a doozy Mike Smith.

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Speaker 2: I know William Golding, but no William Lee Golden. David Frizzell,

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Speaker 2: Her bio reads. Moonshadow is an American singer and professional

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Speaker 3: See like, that could be an earnest sentiment I would

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Speaker 4: His name was Jesse Kramer, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He's been on a couple of reality TV music competition shows.

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Speaker 2: does that we got Dave Gibson, Dude, Dave Gibson, the

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, to go on.

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Speaker 2: And then we have Music of the Sea, Music of

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Speaker 2: the Seed that's a hybrid publishing and licensing company, and

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Speaker 2: it looks like they're there. They know they're like the

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they do like licensing. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So SMH Records claims to have twenty top ten Billboard

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Speaker 3: They're just a one stop shop.

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Speaker 2: Mike Smith dot net. I went there. He says he

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Speaker 2: and yet neither of us has ever heard of him.

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Speaker 2: He's secretly popular.

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Speaker 3: I'm still doubting at all, and as you.

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Speaker 2: Can see, I'm not paying him much reverence. He comes

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Speaker 4: A con artist?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Fake?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, good buddy. I think he is allegedly allegedly.

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Speaker 3: Wait what is he like?

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you about the alleged crimes of

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Speaker 2: He still deserves his stay in court.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough.

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Speaker 2: The accusations are probably not what you'd expect in terms

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Speaker 3: He's not doing crimes against people. He's not like going

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Speaker 2: And he's not.

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Speaker 3: Getting people up with his henchmen or hanging people out

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Speaker 2: No, let's take a break. When we come back, we're

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Speaker 7: Okay, Mike Smith, Yes, how you do it?

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Speaker 3: My new favorite musicians.

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Speaker 2: As I said, according to his website, three top ten singles.

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Speaker 3: You know I love success.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, over a billion streams.

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Speaker 3: That's what I look for in a musician. I'm like, how

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Speaker 2: Does he have five number one Billboard charting albums? Not exactly?

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Speaker 2: Oh what do the kids say? The math ain't math?

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Speaker 3: And yes they do say that. I heard they do.

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Speaker 2: He mentions hits on various Billboard charts, Jazz, hot Christian Songs,

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Speaker 3: Like the players ball but ball.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, And it's supposed to be a song

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Speaker 2: DJ who Kid. Yeah. So there's a track on it

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Speaker 2: called Jazzmine j A Z Z M I N E.

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Speaker 2: Featuring riff Raff.

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Speaker 3: That guy.

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Speaker 2: If you want, you can go bury yourself in a

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Speaker 4: Total I did.

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Speaker 3: We hang out and smoke cigars and complain about how

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Hay is a music publicist and he looks like

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Speaker 3: Good call.

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Speaker 2: His website Jonathanhay Celebrity dot com. It's pretty amazing. The

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Speaker 2: I read this is our company was established by award

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Hay's professional career started with Days of the New,

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Speaker 2: Days of the New helped launch the career of bandmate

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Speaker 2: Nicole Chezingerzinger whatever the Pussycat Dolls, who have sold over

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Speaker 2: You're gonna love this. This is why I'm quoting this.

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Speaker 2: Hay wrote Rihanna's first press release, which premiered on MTV

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Speaker 2: All these actions were done without malice to help boost

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Speaker 2: he started those rumors during a personally difficult time. Quote

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Speaker 2: to help break ponder replay. Hay said it was reckless

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Speaker 3: I relate. That's when I claimed that Guy Fieri was

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Speaker 3: Fieri resists this. That's how I got famed.

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Speaker 2: You get the picture about this guy, dude.

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Speaker 3: So this guy is He's the reason why I don't

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Speaker 2: Researcher Marissa has a theory that Hey is an unnamed

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Speaker 3: Which we'll get to s Yeah, we're gonna get there.

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Speaker 2: So Mike Smith, he's on Spotify. His top song on

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Speaker 2: Spotify is a karaoke version of Tupacs I Ain't.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, that song Hardworking Man of his

445
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: has more than one million streams on YouTube, but it

446
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: doesn't have any listed on Spotify. He also seems to

447
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: be like he's like a four hire producer and session

448
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: musician in Cornelius, North Carolina, which is a hotbed of

449
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 2: the music industry. I know when I hear there's a

450
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: hot new musical artist on the scene, I'm like, they've

451
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: got to be out of Cornelius.

452
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

453
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 3: Tell It's like, is it Muscles Show? Is it Cornelias One?

454
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: It's got to be one or the other. I mentioned

455
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: streaming way back in the day. Let's talk about that.

456
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: So musicians and songwriters they make money on streaming services

457
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: via royalty pennies on the dollar, right, oh, less than pennies.

458
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: None of the services Spotify, Apple, YouTube, et cetera. None

459
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: of them want to say exactly what they pay, but

460
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: the general range is from fractions of a penny per

461
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: play to possibly a penny per stream. So Business Insider

462
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 2: says that Spotify pays artists and rights holders about point

463
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: zero zero three dollars. So you know of a cent

464
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: or point zero zero five penny per stream.

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Speaker 3: How long have we been saying pay the piper. I mean,

466
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Speaker 3: we know you got to pay the musicians. We want

467
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Speaker 3: the musicians.

468
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: Well. For most and here's the weird thing. For most platforms,

469
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: Spotify and Apple specifically, the money is paid proportionately. There's

470
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Speaker 2: something that's called stream share.

471
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Speaker 3: This is an algorithm.

472
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a proportional number based on all total monthly.

473
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Speaker 4: Streams per country.

474
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

475
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: So DK Music Business Academy explains it as such. Quote.

476
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: In simple terms, this means that if you, an artist

477
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: were to receive one in every ten thousand streams in

478
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, you'd receive one pound out of every

479
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: ten thousand pounds that Spotify pays to artists out of

480
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: their particular royalty pool for the UK. Because of the

481
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: way stream share is calculated, the amount of monthly royalties

482
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: you'd get for streams on your tracks is highly dependent

483
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: on whereabouts your music is streamed and Spotify's own revenue

484
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: for that market. So there's an alleged crime in here

485
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 2: aside from this, what it all?

486
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: Of this?

487
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: What's the crime all? Quote from the US Department of

488
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: Justice and their indictment. Please, from approximately twenty seventeen and

489
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: up to and including twenty twenty four, Michael Smith, a defendant,

490
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: orchestrated a scheme to steal millions of dollars of musical

491
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: royalties by fraudulently inflating music streams on digital streaming platforms

492
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: such as Amazon Music, outter Music, Spotify, YouTube Music. Who, Elizabeth,

493
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: what does this mean?

494
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: Elizabeth Great questions Aaron so First.

495
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: Smith, he made a bunch of fake streaming accounts using

496
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: email addresses that he purchased online. And when I say

497
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: a bunch, I'm talking thousands.

498
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 3: I was wondering, I'm like, this isn't seven ten thousand.

499
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 2: He even outsourced the creation and maintenance of these streaming

500
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: accounts to paid co conspirators, And it's a lot for

501
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: just one man to man.

502
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: I was figuring he had like whatever those task grabit

503
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: type people, and in another country it could be Yeah,

504
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't do these types of things.

505
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm innocent.

506
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: So then he created.

507
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: Software to stream his own music on loops from all

508
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: these different computers, so it made it look like there

509
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: were individual listeners logging in from different places to hear

510
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: the sweet tunes of now Remember how the fellas at

511
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: Studio fifty four had to call him in their ledger

512
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: marked skim Well. In twenty seventeen, Mike Smith emailed himself

513
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: a financial breakdown that calculated the kind of money he

514
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: could make with this. He figured he could stream his

515
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: songs six hundred and sixty one, four hundred and forty

516
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: times each day. WHOA so six hundred and sixty thousand

517
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: times a day that he figured that's going to let

518
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: him take in daily royalty payments of like thirty three

519
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: hundred dollars as much as one point two million in

520
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: a year.

521
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

522
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: So the streaming services they're totally onto this though, like

523
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: they're expecting this. They know that people are greedy and

524
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: looking to crime. Smith one step ahead. Like de Bone

525
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: in Fast Times, he cast a wide net, so he

526
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: spread his activity across a shoop ton of fake songs

527
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: rather than just like they're looking for like, oh, this

528
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: one song out of nowhere has a no this way,

529
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: the tunes of his wouldn't draw attention because individual songs

530
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't get too many hits. That's where people are making

531
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: their mistake. Zarin, close your eyes. Oh, I want you

532
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: to picture you are a pizza delivery driver. It's twenty

533
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: seventeen and the door dashes of the world are just

534
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: starting to creep into your turf. Not really out here

535
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: in Cornelius, North Carolina, but in bigger cities for sure.

536
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: You've got a delivery to a subdivision. You don't recognize

537
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 2: the address, but there you are, cruise along Old Statesville

538
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: Road with a steaming pie in your back seat. That's

539
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: not a euphanism. You're a pizza delivery driver.

540
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 7: Dang.

541
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: It's a typical North Carolina summer day. Hot, muggy, oppressively so,

542
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: the air is thick with moisture and the buzz of cicadas.

543
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: You see the address and screech to a halt. You

544
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: reach behind you and grab the pizza, and then get

545
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: out and make your way to the front door. The

546
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: heat and humidity hit you like a heavy blanket. You

547
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: ring the bell and wait. A middle aged man opens

548
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: a door and.

549
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: Feats you with a smile.

550
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: Come on, in, He offers, no, you just try and

551
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: hand him with the pizza and tell him the total.

552
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: I gotta go get my wallet, and I don't want

553
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: to leave the front door open, and I don't want

554
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: to make you stand outside in the heat. Come on in,

555
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: he tells you, against your better judgment. You do. The

556
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: house is cool and dark, but not creepily, so follow me.

557
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: The guy tells you. You trail after him down a

558
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: hall and into what looks like a music studio. There's

559
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: a faint melody playing from the speakers, some sort of

560
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar stuff. Another guy sits at a production deck,

561
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: fiddling with some knobs. I don't see how you're gonna

562
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: be able to make a hundred songs this week, Mike,

563
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: the man at the deck says, Mike tells you to

564
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: set the pizza on the table. When you oblige, the

565
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: man at the deck spins around his chair and is

566
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: startled to see you. You raise a feeble wave at

567
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: him and keep your eye on Mike, who's digging through

568
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: a pile of stuff on the table.

569
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: Until he triumphantly produces a wallet.

570
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: Aha, he says. Then he tells the other man, I've

571
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: tried farming it out. I bought some songs from a

572
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: catalog and I got some studio guys in. It's just

573
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: not cost effective and it takes so much time. Zarin,

574
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: you're a bit of an amateur futurist. You saw something

575
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: recently on Reddit about music production and AI. You mentioned

576
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: to Mike as he digs through his wallet. Ay, I

577
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: don't mean interfere or eavesdrop, but if you need to

578
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: make a bunch of songs in a short amount of time,

579
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: have you thought about using AI? Artificial intelligence AI? Says Mike.

580
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: The guy at the soundboard shuts off the music in

581
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: the background. You go on to explain to the pair

582
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: how it works and what they need to do. Mike's

583
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: face lights up. He hands you one hundred dollars bill.

584
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: Keep the change, kid. Now you are a sixty year

585
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: old woman. But whatever, A tip's a tip, all right. So, however,

586
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: he came to the realization. Sure, outside of that fictionalization,

587
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: Smith found that using AI would be a way to

588
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: make faster and cheaper music than what he had been

589
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: trying so far.

590
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: This is what I'm hold by Sam Altman.

591
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: He couldn't just write his own songs fast enough. I mean,

592
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: hard working man was lightning in a bottle. How can

593
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: you force such.

594
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: An Yeah, I mean not everyone has that in them.

595
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: Well, then it's like he bought a catalog belonging to

596
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: a music publicist, but that didn't work out for him,

597
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: And after that he tried selling his bot farming services

598
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: to other musicians who would pay him to play their

599
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: music or like hand over a chunk of their royalties

600
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: when he did, and he didn't get any takers for that.

601
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: So bring on the robots. Let's pause for our robot

602
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: advertising overlords. When we get back, AI is about to

603
00:31:36,520 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: ruin everything, just like it had been foretold. Mike Smith.

604
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 2: Mike Smith, Mike Smith, He's about to bust a serious scam, allegedly,

605
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for allegedly.

606
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: You'd stick it to the streamers. I'm saying.

607
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: He teamed up with the CEO of an AI music

608
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: company and a music promoter, and these two happened to

609
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: avoid any trouble with the.

610
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: Law on this.

611
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: Really yeah Smith, But Smith, Okay, So he creates an

612
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: absolutely obscenely large catalog of AI songs, fake songs, you'll like, thousands,

613
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: thousands of songs. There's no meaning, no heart no artistry,

614
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: bogus computer slacking, three long yeah, and so he's yeah thousands.

615
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: He's uploaded the streaming platforms every week. So he and

616
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: his partners made sure to put their misdeeds in writing.

617
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: One of the executives wrote to him in an email

618
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen that said, in part, quote keep in

619
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: mind what we're doing musically here. This is not music.

620
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: It's quote instant music. And then like the winking emoji,

621
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: this is a crime.

622
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: Right.

623
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: According to the Department of Justice, the AI music exec

624
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: quote ultimately provided Smith with hundreds of thousands of AI

625
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: songs for which he could manipulate the streams. I shall

626
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: read to you from the indictment Zara oh Yes. Smith

627
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: then created randomly generated song and artist names for audio

628
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: files so that they would appear to have been created

629
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: by real artists rather than artificial intelligence. For example, an

630
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: alphabetically consecutive selection of twenty five of the names of

631
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: the AI song Smith used is as follows. Zygo facia, zygophyllasia, zygophyllum,

632
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: zygo septaria, zygoceptaris, zygopteron, zykeeptaurus, zygospork, zygotetiges, zygos, zygotic, zygotic, laney,

633
00:33:53,920 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: zygotic washstands, zyme, bedoing, zymes, zimite, zymophyte, zime, cimogenic, zymologies. I'moplastics,

634
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: i'm apears, imotechnicals, smotechnic, zimozymss. I love that the departments, like,

635
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: get a load of this crap. Here's twenty five just

636
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: the z songs. Those are just song names.

637
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: And so he just got got around like zygo and

638
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: was like, I can work with this.

639
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: I think he had every letter of the alphabet just

640
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: like planned out. Anyway. The quote continues similarly in an

641
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: alphabetical consecutive selection of twenty five of the names of

642
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: quote artists in the AI song Smith used is as follows. Calliope, bloom, calliope, ratum, callous, callous, humane, callous,

643
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: post callousness, calm, baseball, calm connected, calm force, calm identity,

644
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: calm innovation, calm knuckles, calm market, calm the super, calm, weary,

645
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: calm scorching, calorie event, calorie events, calorie screams, Calvin Man, calvinistic, dust,

646
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: calypso Zord, Cambelist, Dyson, Camelsi, Minerva, cambis cagelings and camel edible.

647
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: Calliope balloom sounds like a name you come up here

648
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 3: at a bar that you didn't want to tell someone

649
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: your real name completely.

650
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: Now, I'm a huge fan of the songs I'm be doing, but.

651
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 3: Call them the super how you're not going to since I.

652
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: Cannot play any of these for you on here because

653
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: they no longer exist. I asked the ridiculous crime director

654
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: of Tech Services, who has a PhD in the Miami

655
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: big bass sound. Oh that's right, yeah, oh yeah, Bogo

656
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: Donner bar like whose parents would do that to their kid?

657
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: But I asked him to approximate a tune for us

658
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: and he was offended.

659
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, a human to do ai music.

660
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: And then he decided to express his offense through song.

661
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: Would you like that's a true artistic statement.

662
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: Would you like to hear this?

663
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: You know it? Smash that play button. If you're hearing this,

664
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: it's too late. The computers have taken over and they're

665
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: writing freaky songs and song songs. I want to write

666
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: a million hand songs and songs and song songs.

667
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: So I want to write a million hand song and

668
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: saying over and.

669
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: The bringing over a saying over taking. I love that.

670
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: I think it really captures the essence of what's going on.

671
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a mystery science theater three thousand like

672
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: if it if they could put out like an album

673
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: of hits, I would expect that song to be on.

674
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: It done, done it again.

675
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: Du bongo always he doesn't miss Now that's a big drummo.

676
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: Never never misses. I did ask chat GPT to write

677
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: me some lyrics for a song called zime Bedoing by

678
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: Calm the super It.

679
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: Would be a fun name to name a kid, Chad GPT.

680
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: Chad, She said, Chad name, and then have his middle

681
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: initials be GPT.

682
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but spelled out like g e e.

683
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, okay elon. All right, So we want to hear

684
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: the lyrics that chat that Chad GPT wrote for zime

685
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: Be doing verse one, in the quiet of the storm,

686
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: I found the light, a shimmer in the dark where

687
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: day meets night. Zime Be doing whispers on the breeze,

688
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: like a quiet song carried through the trees. And then

689
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: the pre chorus, I felt it in the pulse deep inside,

690
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: a rhythm from the earth, No need to hide, zime

691
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: Be doing touches something true it's a feeling I can't shake,

692
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: but it's new. And then the chorus, zime be doing.

693
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: It's in my vein a gentle wave of love, like

694
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: summer rain. Every drop is a memory, soft and pure.

695
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 2: Zime be doing. We endure, We.

696
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: Endure, ride like a horse.

697
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, AI thinks the artist is garbage. I guess this

698
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: is like something that someone would play on an autoharp

699
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: at an open mic night at a coffee shop in

700
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five. After listening to forty eight hours of

701
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: nothing but Enya and Tool.

702
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: And Live altogether.

703
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that zime be dooing umberdure.

704
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: Finding a rhyme for zime but doing is not easy.

705
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: I love it so much. By June twenty nineteen, Smith

706
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: was earning more than one hundred thousand dollars a month

707
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: a month a month, and he had to peel some

708
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: of that offer as co conspirators. According to the indictment.

709
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure the BBC wrote quote mister Smith, prosecutors said

710
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: flatly lied to music distribution companies. In October twenty eighteen,

711
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: one company informed mister Smith that it had received quote

712
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: reports of streaming abuse and that it planned to remove

713
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: his songs from all stores and then, according to Variety, quote,

714
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: we need to get a ton of songs fast to

715
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: make this work around the anti fraud policies these guys

716
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: are all using. Now, that's what he wrote in an

717
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: email to his co conspiracy.

718
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: You need to get around the anti fraud because what

719
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: we're doing I have to fraud harder. Brought more.

720
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: The Mechanical Licensing Collective reached out to him, well more

721
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: than reached out.

722
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: They confronted him.

723
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: I was wondering, Yeah, they're the ones who distribute the royalty.

724
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: So this was in twenty twenty three. They figured there

725
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: was absolutely no way he could be generating that much

726
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: authentic music. He had to be using AI. And that

727
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: didn't even touch on the whole streaming.

728
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: Bots part of it.

729
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so Smith, he denies any problem with what

730
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: he's up to. Quote, this is what a representative. We

731
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: have clearly demonstrated that Mike Smith's works are not AI generated,

732
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: but rather they are human authored.

733
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 3: Really yeah, because he wrote in the title, well.

734
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: Calm the super is everyone's favorite artist. I don't know.

735
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: In February twenty twenty four, he wrote an email.

736
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: Calorie event though, I mean I saw the red Rock.

737
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: Oh in original lollapalo so good.

738
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: Body count, calorie event and I think it was d side.

739
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: It was an amazing show. Calm Knuckles was there and

740
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: punched the clown.

741
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: So Smith wrote an email another email in twenty twenty

742
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: four quote talking about his existing music has generated at

743
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: this point over four billion streams and twelve million dollars

744
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: in royalties since twenty nineteen.

745
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: Four billion. Take that j long, we know.

746
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: How much a billion is.

747
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: There's a lot, a lot of twelve million dollars.

748
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: That's a lot of money. It's like Taylor Swift money.

749
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good money.

750
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: September twenty you can find it.

751
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: He gets arrested, so they charged him with wire fraud conspiracy, wirefraud,

752
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: time money laundering conspiracy. Oh yeah, he could get up

753
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: to sixty years in prison. He's not happy. He wrote

754
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: a strongly worded letter.

755
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: Oh good for him. So he's doing the praz defense

756
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: from Fuji.

757
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what he said. Quote. This is absolutely

758
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: wrong and crazy. There is absolutely no fraud going on whatsoever.

759
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 2: How can I appeal this? That doesn't sound like AI

760
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: And in fact I asked chat GPT to write me

761
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: a paragraph denying the charges. Yeah, this is what chat

762
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 2: GPT came about.

763
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: God.

764
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: I categorically deny any involvement in wire fraud or money

765
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: laundering in connection with music created by AI. At no

766
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: point have I engaged in any illicit activities relating to

767
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: the production, distribution, or financial transactions involving AI generated music.

768
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: My actions have always been income clients with all relevant

769
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: laws and ethical guidelines. The creation and use of AI

770
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: and music is a legitimate and innovative field, and I

771
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: have been here strictly to all legal and professional standards

772
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: in my work. Any suggestion of illegal conduct regarding these

773
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: matters is entirely unfounded and untrue.

774
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: Wow, hey, I got a lot to say.

775
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: I love that AI defends AI music totally.

776
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: I got a question for you. You remember like the

777
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: I don't know if you went to Sunday School, but

778
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: you did CCD education with Catholics.

779
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: I went to Catholics.

780
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: At some point some kid will say, you know, can

781
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: God make a rock so big even God can't raise it?

782
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: Or say old George Carlin, bitch.

783
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: Sure.

784
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: But I want to know is does anybody ever asked

785
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: AI to write a letter saying I've never used AI

786
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: took pleasure. Yeah, I want them and then put that

787
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: in court. I want someone to go to court and

788
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: he use a letter that says written by Ai, that

789
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: says I never used AI, and I want to see

790
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: how AI writes letter.

791
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: As Bongo wrote in his song it's too late.

792
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, the computer.

793
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Smith he pleaded not guilty. Of course, bail said at

794
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars. Trial coming up to be determined,

795
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: So we're gonna mark this one as unresolved. And again

796
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: remember he has only been indicted, not convicted, so everything's

797
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: alleged totally. We're just fun in over here. Shortly after

798
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: the indictment, though, Spotify chimed in. The company said that

799
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: its platform accounted for less than one percent of the

800
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: ten million dollars generated in the fraud case. Quote Spotify

801
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: invests heavily in automated and manual reviews to prevent, detect,

802
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: and mitigate the impact of artificial streaming on our platform.

803
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: Is what they were flexing on the others.

804
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: Like in this case, it appears that our preventative measures

805
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: worked and limited the royalties Smith was able to generate

806
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: from Spotify to approximately sixty thousand dollars of the ten

807
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: million noted in the indictment, as Spotify typically accounts for

808
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 2: around fifty percent of stream share. This shows how effective

809
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: we are at limiting the impact of artificial streaming on

810
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: our platform.

811
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: Now you are more of a fan of petty than

812
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: I am. On a scale of like five side eyes.

813
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: How what would you rate that on pettiness?

814
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: Oh, they're basically like unlike some other platforms. Oh, I'd

815
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: give them four side eyes. Wow, they're like, you know,

816
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: unlike Amazon Music, we have security.

817
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: The title you lazy, the grand is still.

818
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: A good chunk of change, you know, for fake songs.

819
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: I'll take it, Saren.

820
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

821
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: AI?

822
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: AI I mean like AI.

823
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so I'm still so mad that I used

824
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 3: to be able to say the words to the letters

825
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: rather AI. And everybody knew I met Alan Iverson. I

826
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: knew I met Alan Iverson. And now when I say AI,

827
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: I mean like the one of the worst most destructive

828
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: forces on the planet. And everyone was like, man, I

829
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: wish he was talking about Alan Iverson.

830
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 4: Good point.

831
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: There you go, Elizabeth.

832
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 6: You know.

833
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to make it as a musician, then

834
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: you got to wade through this garbage totally.

835
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also the streamers. Just before that, you have

836
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: the streamers, then you got AI now on the back

837
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: end coming at you.

838
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: I want I want like a major like electromagnetic event

839
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: of course, to wipe everything out. We got to go

840
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: back to like cassettes and singles.

841
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: I want more emphasis on live music. So people are like,

842
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: and I mean like not live music, like when you

843
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: go to see a show. I mean like your uncle

844
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: starts playing the piano in the room and everyone comes

845
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: in and starts that. I see that stuff in like

846
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: old movies. You know, I watch a lot of old culture. Yeah,

847
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: my brothers exactly. It still exist in some of these

848
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: multi generational homes and homes of musicians, but I want

849
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: it used to be everybody. But also before we had

850
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 3: recorded music, almost every home they played music.

851
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they had a piano or something.

852
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: Somebody listen.

853
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: The other thing is that when you're talking about live music,

854
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: it shows I back the Jack White.

855
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: Put in the back the best.

856
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: It was amazing being in a show like that where

857
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: you don't see phones up, everyone's just watching this.

858
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 3: Thank you inting me to that.

859
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: That was super cool, welcome, But like, I hate going

860
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: to a show I've never done it. Like, I just

861
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: see the person in front of me. They're filming the

862
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: whole thing.

863
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: Now they have iPads, like they hold up iPads. I

864
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: gotta start through.

865
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: The bad Grandma at a high school graduation.

866
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just mug them, just still like we got

867
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 3: both hands on the iPad. Have no hand on your wallet.

868
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: That's a good I'm kidding. I don't do that anymore.

869
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: Dave, could you perhaps favorite with the talk bag?

870
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: Hell? Yeah, I like that call. Oh my god, I

871
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: love jet.

872
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 6: Ahright, I'm Karen. I just got finished listening to the

873
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 6: ltimb Stevens Junior kidnapping episode, and you brought up the

874
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 6: town of Ramlap, Alabama, where the kidnappers are from, and

875
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 6: how ram Lap is Palmer felt backwards and wondered if

876
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 6: Palmer was already taken kind of yes. I grew up

877
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 6: in Palmerdale, Alabama. My mom grew up in one of

878
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Speaker 6: my b Alabama. They are very close to each other.

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Speaker 6: The ridiculous story I always heard growing up was that

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Speaker 6: there was one mister Palmer who needed to name two

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Speaker 2: And this was a solution. That is I love that

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Speaker 2: look at me guy, like home, Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Appreciates you.

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Speaker 2: That's us for today. You can find us online at

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Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime dot com, the only website where the subscription

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Speaker 2: service we pay you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We're also on Blue Sky, Instagram, Friendster. You can

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Speaker 2: email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com and then,

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Speaker 2: most importantly, leave a talkback on the iHeart app reach out.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett,

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Speaker 2: produced and edited by Robot producer Dave Cousten, starring Annalise

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Speaker 2: Rutger as Judas. Research is by lead singer of Electric

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Speaker 2: Solstice Marissa Brown and backup drummer for Lunar Wavelength Alex French.

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Speaker 2: The theme song is by manager of Crimson Circuit Thomas Lee,

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Speaker 2: an ousted bass player from Velvet Echoes Travis Dutton. Post

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Speaker 2: wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred. Guest hair and

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Speaker 2: makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are booking

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Speaker 2: agent for Echo and the Astral Wolves, Ben Bolan and

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Speaker 2: Neon Sky's superfan Noel Brown. Band names by Chat.

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