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On April four, 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Dr Martin Luther King was shot and killed in Memphis. 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: A petty criminal named James Earl Ray was arrested. Case 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: closed right James eyl Ray was upon for the official story. 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: Some of the evidence, as far as I was concerned, 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: did not match the circumstances. This is the MLK tapes. 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: The first episodes are available now. Listen on the I 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's given me 30 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: advice on many occasions and occasion didn't notice I'm not broke. 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: You know. He'll be interview with celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do, it's 33 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: what he likes to share. Now it's time to hear 34 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: from my man, ra Sean McDonald. Money Making Conversations Here 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: we come. Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. Like I said every episode, it's time to 37 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: stop reading other people's success stories and start writing your own. 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: And when you talk about your passions, you talk about 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: your gifts, lead with your gifts, and don't let your age, friends, family, 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: or co workers stop you from planning or living your dreams. 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: My interviews on money making conversation with celebrities, CEO, entrepreneurs, 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: and people I like to call industry decision makers. My 43 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: next guest is Reggie Butler. Reggie is the founder and 44 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: CEO or Performance Paradigm LLC and Executive Education Human Capital Consultancy. 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Its areas of expertise included high performing, high performing team development, 46 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: organizational change management, diversity and inclusion, which is really important 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: in these days since has become the forefront of all 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: major corporations. Tone of employment and understanding, their color and 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: the way people speak should not be a differentiator. It 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: should be treated as equal. Training, development, workforce retention strategies, 51 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: emotional intelligence, and executive coaching. Reggie believes the human connection 52 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: and understanding that the cornerstone of changing life and behavior. 53 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Reheggie works in collaboration with executive leadership teams to develop 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: and execute strategies to change organizational culture, build leadership bench strength, 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: and increase human capital effectiveness. Please work with the money 56 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Making Conversations by man Reggie Butler. He on Reggie, I'm 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: doing well man, and good to be with you today. 58 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: You're doing some important work and you gotta keep doing 59 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: what you're doing. We need you in this space to 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: not stop or back down. Well, I can't back down. 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: And if I bring individuals on the on the show 62 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: like you, Reggie, so you can support what I'm trying 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: to do because you know, uh, you're not. Both are 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: living a long life and uh and we will live 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: even longer life. But somewhere along with the line, as 66 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: as people are put qualifiers, if you haven't done certain 67 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: things at a certain age, then you stuff and and 68 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: and and that's where I wanted to talk about it 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: initially with you, because that's the whole part about pushing 70 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: beyond what you're capable of because people can limit it. 71 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: So and you you reach your limit. Talk to us 72 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, So, first of all, I just have 73 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: this really strong belief that another person's perception of me 74 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't define where I go. And you got to think 75 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: about what that actually looks like. In some spaces, there 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: are people who wind up in careers or in positions 77 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: only to find out later in their careers that's not 78 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: what they wanted to do where they wanted to go, 79 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: where they wanted to be, how they wanted to do it, 80 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: because they were listening to somebody else's narrative that was 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: based on someone else's perception of their value or their worth. 82 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: So I spend time in this space um trying to 83 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: get to people to understand and see things they can't 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: see for themselves, so they not only can explore, but 85 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: reach whatever next is for them by choice. You talk 86 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: about the path of resistance, sometimes we live our lives 87 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: through the path asked at least resistance, Reggie, Okay, And 88 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: that means that, like you said earlier, were relationship we 89 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: go deep like that. There are people in relationship they 90 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: should be getting out of, and there are people who 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: are a job they should be walking away from, but 92 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: they stay there out of fear. They stayed out there 93 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: because they don't want to hear somebody complaining, and stay 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: there because they don't want to hear somebody tell them 95 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: that they question their decision making. How in your coaching 96 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: do you push people past that? Because you're like, you're 97 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: like a a new modern day therapists. You know, you're 98 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: not putting us on the couch. Yeah, so you know 99 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: we're shan. So first of all, I gotta get people 100 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: to be honest with themselves, and I take people through, 101 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: you know, a framework. They help them understand what their 102 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: truth is about how they're seeing the world, what the 103 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: truth of somebody else is, like, managing their perspectives. And 104 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: then the highest order I try to get people to 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: is accepting what they need to accept in order to 106 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: move forward and make a difference. So if I view that, 107 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: if I look at that, there are some people that 108 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: haven't accepted what they need to accept about themselves. And 109 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: one of the big things that people don't accept is 110 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: that they are much better than anybody else says they are. 111 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: Because we let people define who we are and what 112 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: our want. And I've put people into situations that say, 113 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: let me show you not only what your worth is, 114 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: but you be able to articulate that value. Not somebody 115 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: else do that for you. And once a person starts 116 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: to accept that, they also start to see those things 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: that they know they have to move past. And that's 118 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: that thing you're talking about about resistance. Resistance comes at 119 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: you when you are solid and your confidence has no competition. 120 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: You know that you're confident in yourself and your abilities. 121 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: Resistance goes around, you go right through it. You've got 122 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: to get people to see that. You get people to 123 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: see that it's that, it's that, it's that. It's like, 124 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: that's why a ship has a point, you know, when 125 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: it goes to the water. You know, it cuts through 126 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: the resistance. That's what you're talking about, you know. And 127 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: as it cuts to the resistance, it gets to the destination. 128 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: A lot now you've had over was in the bio, 129 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's more years of experience and delivering 130 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: this transformative Like I told you, I've been doing this 131 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: so as eighteen. When you really look at it, who 132 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: you are, you don't really be defined by the moment 133 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: you defined out how you were raised and who put 134 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: these I'd say, these seeds in you? Who's put these 135 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: seeds in you? Let's let's take a journey back a 136 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: little bit, Reggie, who put these seeds in you? Yeah? 137 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: So if I look at I'm gonna start back. So 138 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: I started off as a classmate training musician, so classical 139 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: training pianists, and for years, um I thought that that 140 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: was my path. And my father, who was military, I 141 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: was raised military. I've never served, but I was raised 142 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: military and the discipline that he instilled in me about 143 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: how to be successful through discipline and doing what's necessary, 144 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: do what you have to do so you can do 145 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: what you want to do, and instilled that in me 146 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: once I had made the decision, with his help and 147 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: the help of some other colleagues, that a classically trained 148 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: pianist in this body. At that time in my life, 149 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: there was a high probability I was not going to 150 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: be as successful as I wanted to be because of 151 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: the constructs of race around who I was. But my 152 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: father looked at me and he says, but that doesn't 153 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: mean you still can't be a musician like oh and 154 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: my mom, wonderful woman that she is. They created what 155 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call some of the things you do. They 156 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: decided to manage my life at a young age of fifteen. 157 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: So a band. Here, I am having a band and 158 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: work and use that bed played every weekend eleven pm 159 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: to two am, just doing all the things. But what 160 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: it taught me was the organizational skills and the discipline 161 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: of creating a team. Because you know this about music. 162 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: Music is from my heart and from my soul, but 163 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: it is the foundation of everything we do, because that 164 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: band would not be the band it is and was 165 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: the music the music created would not have landed the 166 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: way it was supposed to if we didn't have structure. 167 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: I was leading that band. So from that it took 168 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: me all throughout my life. I used those tenants of 169 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: what it means to create a high performing team, what 170 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: it means to lead a team, what it means to 171 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: deal with dysfunction, what it means to deal with change 172 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: when change, change comes up. And I've taken that all 173 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: the way throughout my professional life. Wound up being so interesting. 174 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: I wound up was a was a choir director at 175 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: a church and one of my one of my choir members, said, 176 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: you realize you have a gift for speaking, Um, you 177 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: should come, you know, not out of the church, but 178 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: you should come, you know, speaking in corporate America. I fought. 179 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: I resisted that forever. The school teacher, a school teacher 180 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: I had, that means I had twelve months of pay 181 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: and three months off. I was like, I'm not messing 182 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: up this formula. 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I Discover the forest dot org 235 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: brought to you by the United States Forest Service and 236 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: the AD Council. Well, you know the thing about it. 237 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: I agree. That's why because you're a unique individual, because 238 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: you bet on yourself and you can't really tell people 239 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: how you generate income. You know, you can say it, 240 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: but they for the average person can put the how 241 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: does he make money? Does he have a ninety five? 242 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: Does he work Monday through Friday? When does he have off? 243 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: Does he say vacation? Does he too of insurance? So 244 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: you're that individual that really steps out use the You're 245 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: the word a lot on faith and faith to the 246 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: side to your gifts. But I go back to when 247 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: you were fifteen year old and fifteen years old and 248 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: your parents managing you. They were shaping the gift because 249 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: I know the power of music because I was played 250 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 1: B flat clarinet, I played tenants saxophone, so I knew that. 251 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: I know the power of music. Music is so incredible 252 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: from from an intellectual and also from a discipline standpoint. 253 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: And as we see you to day, I'm seeing that 254 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: same discipline. I'm seeing that same skill set up live performances. 255 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm watching it right now that we're just incubated into 256 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: you at such an early age. Now is translating those gifts. 257 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: And I see you Reginald, and I can call your 258 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: Reginald your parents, but it's Reggie Butler. Excuse me for 259 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: stepping out into that parent land. But I want to 260 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: just say that in talking to you, how do you 261 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: get people to understand their value? Because you're in a 262 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: human capital and sometimes and I want to just say 263 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: this real quick before we get this clear. We can 264 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: blame a lot of issues on the company we work for. 265 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: We can blame a lot of issues on race. We 266 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: can blame a lot of issues on a gender, but 267 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: the core are making that change has to start with 268 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: how we value ourselves. That's right, talk to us. Yeah, 269 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: and so one of the frames trying to put people through. 270 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: So there's two ways to look at it. One way 271 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: is to look at your lived experience, insist and the 272 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: comfort zone radius you have around your lived experience. So 273 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: let's say you grew up in a dual family household, 274 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: you you went to college, you have all these lived 275 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: experiences the shape who you are and give you the messages. 276 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: That's that's only one version of the lived experiences. We 277 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: occupy and cohabitate a world with people that have very 278 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: different lived experiences. And so how you find your value 279 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: is you look at the comfort zone radius you have 280 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: around your own life, your lived experiences, and you overlay 281 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: that on the people that you need to interact with 282 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: to get you to next or to be in service 283 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: as somebody else. And you look up, you step back 284 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: one day and go, I actually have a purpose, Like 285 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be here in this space doing this 286 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: thing because it serves something. Tell people all the time, 287 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: always be in service of changing an outcome, not in 288 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: service of yourself. Some people get um bristle at that 289 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: because they start to think of themselves, well, that's just 290 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: being selfish. I'm saying. It's it's not about being selfish 291 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: or not being selfish. But when you live through the 292 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: lens of who are you helping what or what what 293 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: condition are you improving, you live a much you live 294 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: a much richer life. And that's where you start to 295 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: look back at yourself and say, now I know what 296 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: my value proposition is. One thing I tell entrepreneurs all 297 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the time, don't negotiate your price and then go. But 298 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: I have to because negotiation is part of the thing. 299 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: It's like every time you leave with negotiation, that doesn't 300 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: mean that means you don't know what you're worth. You 301 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: know what you're worth first, and then negotiate from that, 302 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: and negotiation from that could be But then I must 303 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: not be your person for today because you can't afford 304 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: but that people have to You have to get there first. 305 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: And it's not doesn't happen by accident. It's very intentional. 306 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: And what I'm trying to get people to really understand 307 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: Brushan and you, of all people, I know you know 308 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: this that different people because of their different life experiences. 309 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: I think there's only one are two ways to do things. 310 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: It's not true. There are multiple ways to get to 311 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: certain locations. There's it's not just one way. And you 312 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: have to own this thing called change. And I even 313 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: took this. Most recently, I've started doing it. I've created 314 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: a module again using music. Uh that's called find your 315 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: Rhythm and find your Rhythm. It literally is about any 316 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: change management principle and organizational designs and things like that. 317 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: What people have to do is find their rhythm. So 318 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: I want you to think about people who because of 319 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: the pandemic. You know, there's three pandemics out there. There's 320 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: the health pandemic, there's a racial pandemic, there's an economic pandemic. 321 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: And in the last fifteen months, we've seen people have 322 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: to deal with that that those pandemics, and they've lost 323 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: their rhythm. Now everybody's talking about it. Let's go back 324 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: to work and up going back to work, like, how 325 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: do you find your rhythm to get back into what 326 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: I tell people to stop saying, which is the new normal? 327 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: Stop it. Stop saying the new normal, because most of 328 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: you didn't like the last normal. And we're about the ghost. 329 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: You have to find your rhythm, and it's not returned 330 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: to work, it's returned to life. 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You want to deal with that man? 358 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: You know when I hear you say that, you know 359 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: I did the thing that because I've been fortunate in 360 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: my life. I worked for the Post Office, I work 361 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: for IBM, so I've worked a for the hour shift. 362 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: I don't understand hourly wage, to understand how to work 363 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: overtime and the process of individual and a personal job 364 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: frustration because you did with a lot of individuals who 365 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: live in at forty hour week structure. Because we're gonna 366 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: talk about Google contracts you just recently to develop their 367 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: own diversity, equity and inclusion programs. I talked about that 368 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: because when you come in and do a program like that, 369 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: there has to be two sides of this development that 370 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: has been an acknowledgement that just because of you feel 371 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: that another person always. Let me just share this quick 372 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: story with you right quick. When I b m I UM, 373 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: I got hied with two other white guys and I 374 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: came in simultaneously, and my supervisor asked me, oh, my goal, 375 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: what I want to do? And I told him I 376 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: didn't know at the time. Okay, he's okay, whenever you 377 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: figured out Rashon, come back and coming just tell me 378 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: that my doors open. Well. Too much went by. Three 379 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: months went by. I still hadn't went back in that door, 380 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: and the white guys started getting other assignments, and guess what. 381 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: I started huddling up with my Hey, this is wrong. 382 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: It's racial thing going on in here. Rachel, what's going 383 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: on here? And I went and storming in that office 384 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: and set down with my supervice. Said, hey, man, look 385 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: we started at the same time. Why are they doing 386 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: more than I am doing? He said, Rashaan, I asked 387 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: you on your first day, what were your goals? What 388 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: did you want to do with this company? You told 389 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: me you're gonna get back with me. When they got 390 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: back with me, that their very first day, and they're 391 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: only doing the things that they I'm helping them do 392 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: the things that they say they want to complish. That 393 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: the company, I say that, to put that statement out 394 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: in front of you, just say, I'm not gonna point 395 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: in their fingers on this, Reggie, I'm gonna tell you 396 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: I've been the I want to say, the person who 397 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: sitting in the corner mad, But I didn't do my job. 398 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: So who am I mad at? So that now you 399 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: have to come in with a company like Google trying 400 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: to change the environment. But no, there are some rushawn 401 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: sitting out there who had told Google or darn thing 402 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: about what they want to do. Correct. Yeah, and I 403 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: will tell you one of the So there are a 404 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: lot of companies in the portfolios, you know, always from 405 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: big tech and health care and retail and you know, 406 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: professional services, automotive, all the things. But here's here's what happens. 407 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: When you have an organization that that's big, like like 408 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: a Google, they have the resources to actually investigate and 409 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: use data to actually drive towards the source of what 410 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: the issue is. So they had a hypothesis that the 411 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: people that are black, Latin x UM and women are 412 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: having different lived experiences inside the organization and instead of 413 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: going to the mad Rushians, instead of going to the 414 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: people in the organization and trying to focus on making 415 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: them feel better, they decided, let's go to the manager 416 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: population who makes decisions about them every day and get 417 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: them to understand that the lived experiences aren't the same. 418 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: And it was It's amazing when a when an organization 419 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: understands that it's about shifting the culture, not changing the people. 420 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: And that's what I do at the firm. We actually 421 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: work across change management, but we do it through the 422 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: lens of culture. So if there's a people issue to address, 423 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: we address it through the culture. We don't address it 424 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: through the people. We address it through the culture, and 425 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: sometimes the culture will will dictate to us after we 426 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: do some audit or something like that. It's to find 427 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: out where where is the issue, where is the problem, 428 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: let's solve it and so what we what we wound 429 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: up doing, which is why the Ford's article we got highlighted. 430 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: We we created a very experiential program that was the 431 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: at the intersection of understanding the experience of black and 432 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: brown people, of women, and anybody that was in an 433 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: underrepresented group and taking it through the lens of art. 434 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: So we use performance artists, we use singers, we use musicians, 435 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: we use drummers, we use interpretive dancers, same type of 436 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: diversity training that most people would say, So, let's talk 437 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: about what it's like to be black here at this organization. 438 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk about what it's like. Instead of just talking 439 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: to them, we showed them. We created an experience. So 440 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: just think you have a room of dominant culture people, 441 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: mostly white, sitting there trying to understand what is like 442 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: to be somebody that's not them, that doesn't have the 443 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: lived experience they do. But the way they get the 444 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: message it's through through art. So we had someone curate 445 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: an art piece and explain why this piece of art 446 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: was done and the reason it was done because this 447 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: person feels invisible and that's why this piece of art 448 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: looks like that. We would then turn to the audience 449 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: and say, is there anybody on your team that feels 450 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: like they are invisible? And what's that reason? Can you 451 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: do anything about it? It's so different. We took some 452 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: survey results. This was one of one of the most 453 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: interesting things. You know, how you do these inclusions or 454 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: every organization does surveys to see how the people there 455 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: people feel, and one of the questions was about inclusion. 456 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you feel included? And the score 457 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: was was pretty low. We took some of the comments 458 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: from the survey that said, this is what it feels 459 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: like for me to be here, I don't feel like 460 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm seeing etcetera, etcetera. We took the comments, we strung 461 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: them together, put a music bed under it, and then 462 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: had dancers to interpret the dance to it to show 463 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: the emotion. Because as long as it's just data in 464 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: one dimension on the page, in a survey, in a spreadsheet, 465 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: you can't feel that. So we created a story and 466 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: the narrative that allowed people to feel that's the next 467 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: space we sit in. I am Rushan. You know this. 468 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: You can talk and complain all you want until you 469 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: get somebody to feel mean, connect the emotion with the intellect. 470 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: You won't get changed to happen, you know. And you're 471 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: absolutely correct, And because this is what this interview is about. Change, 472 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: also about acceptance, also about recognizing, like you said, you're 473 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: not invisible and and and so you know, being that 474 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: I I've walked these different lanes and entertainment, you know, 475 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: and you uh, the corporate robbin entrepreneur. And then but 476 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: that works space, that's really the key dynamic, especially have 477 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: working remotely. That's the that's the that's the other part 478 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: of the conversation. Maybe you broke down the three that 479 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: working remotely now also leads to damage because of the 480 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: fact that how do you how do you properly supervise 481 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: somebody who's working from home? How do you properly promote 482 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: somebody who's working from home? Which creates another ant? And 483 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: am I being treated right? Am I going to get 484 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: a proper recognition for the work I'm producing? Your world 485 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: has gotten even more complicated in a good way. That's right, 486 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: in a good way. With the remote tool there's suddenly 487 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: been thrown into your little tool box. Yeah, yeah, I've 488 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: got I have no charge of examples of people doing 489 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: the un ramped back into work. So you do realize that, 490 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: I think everybody knows it. So a lot of companies 491 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: actually experienced exponential growth over the last fifteen months, and 492 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: they hired a lot of people virtually and they never 493 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: met them, so they have to deal with that. Then 494 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: you have some companies that decided, hey, I didn't know 495 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: this flexible work thing was actually gonna work. And now 496 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: that's working, I don't need him to come back and 497 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: need him to stay home. Okay, So now you got 498 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: that population, then you have the what everybody's saying is 499 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: the hybrid population where your own rotation that comes to 500 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: the building, but you only have to come in for 501 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: two days and you have to rotate with somebody else. 502 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: Now you've got a manager who's never ever had to 503 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: do that before. They don't know how to do that, 504 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: and they are ill equipped. They're they're well intended though, 505 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: because they are trying. And what we try to do 506 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: is put some framing around to say just the just 507 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: all of the different versions and iterations you're gonna have 508 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: to go through. Do not look for a new normal soon. 509 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: Because it's a phased approach. You still have to create 510 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: human connection and you have to do it through screens. 511 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I give you a tip. I 512 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: told the manager the other day, I said, when you 513 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: everybody's back, you've been doing all these things, would you 514 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: stop asking people on Mondays how their weekend was. It's 515 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: not inclusive. What are you talking about? I said, think 516 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: about the pandemic all of them. Do you realize that 517 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: some people the last thing they want to talk about 518 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: what they had to deal with on the weekend. Right, 519 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: I love somebody to covide I'm going through a divorce, 520 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: my friends are out of jobs. I'm still trumping, I 521 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: still doing zoom school. But I hear some of my 522 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: colleagues on the car when you ask what did you 523 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: do over the weekend, It's like, Oh, I was able 524 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: to go hike game. I feel so much better now. 525 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: It's like, that's not my experience, right, I'm telling managers now, 526 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: pay attention to the questions you asked. A much better 527 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: question is not how is your weekend? A better question 528 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: as a leader right now is to say what's important 529 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: to you this week? And how can I help? And 530 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: also it was important how are you doing that's important 531 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: to because what happens is The interesting thing about the 532 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: work at home dynamic reggids we wrapt us up is 533 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: that you got kids. You might have a wife running 534 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: around in the background, you might have a dog barking, 535 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: you might you know, your electrician might show up at 536 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: the same time that your beatings. Going over to zoom 537 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: call is bringing on a whole slew of dynamics that 538 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: can make you look unprofessional, which can in turn impact 539 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: how you think you're being perceived by the company that's 540 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: hiring you. So when you lay out these shields, and 541 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: when you when you get hired by our company like Google, 542 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: like I said, they brought you in and you use 543 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: these bigger words diversity, training, equity, inclusion, that's a lot 544 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: to put on your plate. How do you how do 545 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: you not replicate because every every situation is different. I 546 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: always say that everything fintech, health companies, you you don't 547 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: bring the same model in. How do you bring a 548 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: model in? And how do you survey the right approach 549 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: to that particular company's needs. Well, some of it is 550 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: is most companies already have identified what the problem is. 551 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: They're still working on this source. So we try to 552 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: go in and say, I don't need you to do 553 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: new work with me. I don't need you to go 554 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: look up stuff that you've already looked up. I need 555 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 1: to start where you are and which I try to get, Uh, 556 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, companies, businesses, people's individuals start where you are, 557 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: not where you were. Way too many people going well, 558 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: let's go back and let's study the past so we 559 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: can figure out how to deal with now, and I'm 560 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: going can we start with now and focus on the future. 561 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: Think about the past already happened. You have so much data, 562 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: so much surveys. How much data do you need to 563 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: know that things are just a little messed up and 564 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: that there is an answer. Let's go with what we 565 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: know and move forward. I tell people all the time, 566 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: create forward momentum. If you're not creating forward momentum, you're 567 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: holding things back. Answer the question every single day, what 568 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: did I do this this week that created traction and momentum. 569 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: I call it ther relevancy paradigm. You spend a lot 570 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: of energy on a lot of stuff. You do a 571 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: lot of actions. If it's not having any impact and 572 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: you're not creating any momentum, then make the business choice 573 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: and the human choice to stop focusing energy on it, 574 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: focus on where you create momentum. Sir, you're standing there, 575 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: and it's engaging me so much because you probably know 576 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: that yourself. You know, I've never interviewed anybody standing that 577 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: is so important and so powerful because I feel like 578 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: you're communicating with me. 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