Speaker 1: We were talking the other day and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of crazy that somebody'd say that
Speaker 1: we were over not success because they didn't see the
Speaker 1: first ten years of it.
Speaker 2: You know, episode four forty eight co Wetzel. I took
Speaker 2: a picture from sitting with Co when we were recording this.
Speaker 2: I don't know, weeks ago, a few weeks ago. Ye,
Speaker 2: you talk about hardcore fans, they're like, where's the episode? Well,
Speaker 2: first one, like, hey.
Speaker 3: Why this can be posted too?
Speaker 2: Hey you're gonna post that Co Wetzel to like, you
Speaker 2: better post a co Wetzel, I want to come and
Speaker 2: burn your house down.
Speaker 3: Like we were refusing to post. We were holding it hostage.
Speaker 2: No, no, in due time, friends, co Wetzel just released
Speaker 2: a new song.
Speaker 3: He's releasing a lot of new music this spring.
Speaker 1: He has.
Speaker 2: I was looking at tickets l it was about three
Speaker 2: hundred thousand tickets so far on this tour. I mean,
Speaker 2: the guys has blown up in a way of the
Speaker 2: organic growth guys, if that makes sense, like on the
Speaker 2: road grinding and then on little something hits and it
Speaker 2: grows and it grows, and the guy is I won't
Speaker 2: to say underground because now he's like blowing up. But
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that he has a passionate
Speaker 2: passion at large fan base that maybe mainstream hasn't fully
Speaker 2: been introduced to yet.
Speaker 3: Would that be a fair statement. Yeah, definitely. That's why
Speaker 3: everybody was hitting this up so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like his people are hardcore, but now as people
Speaker 2: are also starting to be normal people because his music
Speaker 2: is starting to be shared by like the mainstream outlets.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I like co I mean listen in one
Speaker 2: of those guys where I thought, really, if this turns
Speaker 2: into a bar fight in my house, I don't have
Speaker 2: a bar, but it's not gonna look good for me.
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're ready for if somebody had
Speaker 2: told us that. I think that's what it was like.
Speaker 2: Coo Wetzel's coming over.
Speaker 3: Be careful. He got here early. Everything about him was
Speaker 3: super nice, nicest guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was expecting to like spit on me halfway through
Speaker 2: the interview before he got to the house.
Speaker 3: But then he was like nice and plied and super thoughtful.
Speaker 2: But here he is, and I hope that doesn't kill
Speaker 2: like his image, it's polite and thoughtful.
Speaker 3: You can follow my on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Co wetzel Koe underscore don't will you e t z
Speaker 2: e L. What I didn't ask him is if he
Speaker 2: owns any of the Pretzel company with those pretzels. Didn't
Speaker 2: think about that, only thought about that right now. Dang
Speaker 2: missed that question. Cowetzel music dot com and here we go.
Speaker 2: Here is Co Wetzel Co.
Speaker 3: Good to meet you.
Speaker 2: Man, it's the first first time we met, right, I
Speaker 2: would think, so, I think I would remember you get
Speaker 2: kind of a large presence, come in a room, like
Speaker 2: it's like big dude.
Speaker 1: People don't expect to hear my voice kind of like
Speaker 1: what do you mean that? He was just like damn,
Speaker 1: he's kind of a big dude, Like, didn't expect that
Speaker 1: coming out of you.
Speaker 2: There's a guy on my radio show who has a massive,
Speaker 2: deep voice, but he's like dug funny, Like he just
Speaker 2: doesn't look like he would sound. So people think he's
Speaker 2: like a large black man until they meet him and
Speaker 2: it's like a skinny, little white dude. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's good to meet you. Also, like somebody who's
Speaker 2: like a football player, like you were same, same kind
Speaker 2: of thing, right, it's like you're seeing it and then
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, played played linebacker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's they're really confused. They're like, wait, hold on, you
Speaker 1: played football? He sing It's like it in the voice
Speaker 1: doesn't matchup with looking at you now. I'm like, well
Speaker 1: you get what you see? What? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What's in high school? Pretty good athlete?
Speaker 1: It was decent scholarship, I guess.
Speaker 3: But that's really good, right they don't pass out scholarships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: I got a lot of friends that walked on places
Speaker 2: that were really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if you're getting a scholarship, like, did you what
Speaker 2: did you play line high school?
Speaker 1: I played linebacker in high school? Yeah, I started all
Speaker 1: four years and.
Speaker 3: Uh, the ninth grader you started?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a freshman. Yeah. I played stand up
Speaker 1: here as a freshman, then moved a linebacker.
Speaker 3: So it's how big was school you went to?
Speaker 1: We were three a's, So I mean I graduated with
Speaker 1: like one hundred and thirty kids.
Speaker 3: Way bigger than I mean, I'm from a tiny school.
Speaker 1: Where are you from?
Speaker 3: Mountain Pine, Arkansas?
Speaker 2: So I graduate with forty kids and we had we
Speaker 2: had enough.
Speaker 3: We had a pretty good football team. We were the
Speaker 3: only school that.
Speaker 2: We were the only school that was a black school
Speaker 2: in our conference, so we were good, which was even slower.
Speaker 2: Like I was pretty fast, but then on my team,
Speaker 2: I was pretty slow. Like all those guys could.
Speaker 3: Fly, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a white guy that could catch, high
Speaker 2: modeor high energy guy, you know, but I wasn't the
Speaker 2: guy they would put out to return punts or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, to start, you know, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: our running back.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: And if I was, you know, and I played, I
Speaker 2: guess not so wide, but I played receiver, but it
Speaker 2: was more like a slot back, you know, don't I
Speaker 2: don't like going across the medal, but I would because
Speaker 2: I wasn't fast enough to you know, run goes all
Speaker 2: game long.
Speaker 3: You have any big injuries in high school?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Just like ankles and like minor knee stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh still hurt you now at all as an adult.
Speaker 1: If the storm's coming, yeah, a little bit. I had
Speaker 1: surgery on my ankle in college, and I had like
Speaker 1: some some pans and stuff put in my ankle. Now
Speaker 1: I can feel when the thunderstorms coming. You know.
Speaker 2: I have broken fingers from playing ball, not just football
Speaker 2: but other ones. But when when it's my hair curls
Speaker 2: up and my freaking fingers starting to feel throbbing. Man
Speaker 2: just killing me. And you know animals can like that's
Speaker 2: not like it's predictive. They can feel when storms are coming.
Speaker 2: But so their bodies must have similar things to when
Speaker 2: our stuff's broken. But yeah, like it starts to like
Speaker 2: ache and stuff. I heard my We do a sports show.
Speaker 2: We travel a on the country and we play like
Speaker 2: we did Kansas State, we did South Carolina football. We
Speaker 2: did a lot of the SEC Big twelve schools, and
Speaker 2: we put on paths and play. I'm older, so we
Speaker 2: don't really get hit, but we run drills, we do
Speaker 2: all this. But we went and played softball with Oklahoma
Speaker 2: State and baseball to Oklahoma State, and my heart my
Speaker 2: ankle and it does not it's just not healing.
Speaker 3: That's probably getting older. I'm not how old you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thirty one.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're old enough now for it to last.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 2: At my point, you played college sports too for a while,
Speaker 2: so it's even like you're a your physical age is
Speaker 2: even older than that.
Speaker 3: But nothing heals on me.
Speaker 1: Sam, I spray my knee actually like two days ago. Uh,
Speaker 1: just drunk whiskey dent or whatever and kind of oh cup,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I got bobby bones going up
Speaker 1: this week, Like I hope I can walk in here
Speaker 1: and not have a bracehole.
Speaker 2: But obviously you didn't just sprain it because you were drunk.
Speaker 2: What were you doing while drunk?
Speaker 1: I mean I was fighting, so yeah, so like it was.
Speaker 3: Sort of a yeah, I mean literally fighting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and my buddies, we get drunk, just fight
Speaker 1: each other. I guess everything's good the next morning. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of like at the times, just a lot
Speaker 1: of test tossed their own and just get drunk.
Speaker 2: When that happens, is it always because someone's disrespecting somebody
Speaker 2: or there's a feeling of some sort.
Speaker 1: Of there's like a lot of built up energy and
Speaker 1: a lot of built up ship and then we all
Speaker 1: get it out and then we throw down and then
Speaker 1: we hug on each other, level on each other next mornings, Like, man,
Speaker 1: that was a wild night. You know, we got a
Speaker 1: black eye or a busted knee, you know, And what's it?
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, Like I would think just physically
Speaker 1: a lot wrong with you?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, and I a lot wrong with me too,
Speaker 2: But to phys Yeah, I have never been punching the face.
Speaker 3: Really, I've r I've run, I've been I take that back.
Speaker 3: I've been attacked.
Speaker 2: I've been jumped up and crystal whipped, I've been held
Speaker 2: a gunpoint like that stuff.
Speaker 3: But I've never been punched. And I'm it's not.
Speaker 1: As bad as you think, like in your mind. That's
Speaker 1: the worst part of like you.
Speaker 2: Know, a third day though, But I feel like if
Speaker 2: I were in a fight and I've trained to I mean,
Speaker 2: I boxed, and that hurts when you get I can't
Speaker 2: imagine without a glove, and I also can't imagine my hand.
Speaker 2: I sort of think if I'm going to hit somebody,
Speaker 2: how bad that's gonna hurt my freaking hand, and that's
Speaker 2: not worth it either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you wake up the next morning and go,
Speaker 1: damn man, my head hurts. And then I was because
Speaker 1: of the whiskey. Is because you know what happened. Then
Speaker 1: you start figuring out you got like little scabs and
Speaker 1: knees and ankles, and.
Speaker 3: That that life for me. It's gonna be not be
Speaker 3: for you either for too much longer. I know, I
Speaker 3: can tell you.
Speaker 1: I think I have probably two really good fights to
Speaker 1: me left and then that's but maybe.
Speaker 3: I don't have two in me for life that.
Speaker 1: I'm saving up. Like I can do a little, you know,
Speaker 1: a little sparn or something.
Speaker 2: So are you usually on the bus on the road
Speaker 2: when when you're getting.
Speaker 1: Drunk towards Uh? Not so much at home? At home,
Speaker 1: I'm usually pretty pretty even qual.
Speaker 3: You're probably not just bored, no, on the at home.
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm at home, I'm usually resting or you know,
Speaker 1: doing stuff that's not as intense. But whenever you're on
Speaker 1: the road and you have a lot of off days
Speaker 1: and yeah, the guys, you know, we'll go to the
Speaker 1: bar and it's just kind of week long, just drunk vendors.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I'm gonna nod. But I
Speaker 2: like you telling me because I can't relate. I can't relate.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I come from a family of crazy drug addiction. I
Speaker 2: would love to do all the drugs I love, drink
Speaker 2: all the alcohol I've I've never had a drink, and
Speaker 2: I can't do drugs because I get obsessed with everything
Speaker 2: that I do. But luckily I've been able to recognize
Speaker 2: that my mom died. Don't know, my dad, I'm not
Speaker 2: giving you that story. But what I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: if I were that, I would be you just wouldn't
Speaker 2: be as big. So I probably be dead and beat
Speaker 2: up like crazy because I don't even know what it's
Speaker 2: like to be drunk.
Speaker 1: Really, that's crazy. Yeah, I've been I've been drinking for
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, I need to slow down. I actually
Speaker 1: did slow down. I did. I did like dry January,
Speaker 1: but only made it to like the third Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the twenty first season, dude, like the twenty first and
Speaker 1: so uh but yeah, those twenty one days, I felt great,
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 2: And my point is, I, you know, so I don't
Speaker 2: have any sort of I can't relate to that part
Speaker 2: of it. However, I put my mom and rehab a
Speaker 2: couple of times, and we had, you know, before she died,
Speaker 2: and that was always tough. But and I couldn't relate
Speaker 2: because she would go like, I can't do it, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't get it whatever it was, meth whatever,
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't understand, wouldn't understand. I understood that I
Speaker 2: wanted to do that stuff but couldn't, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: understand the withdrawal part. And then I got kind of
Speaker 2: dependent on sleeping pills because I had a lot of
Speaker 2: uh ptistic at jumped at work. And then I understood
Speaker 2: a bit about Oh, I see why it's hard if
Speaker 2: you really have a hard problems. It's hard to get
Speaker 2: off because the withdrawals.
Speaker 3: Are to me.
Speaker 2: And I was just on sleeping pills and it was crazy,
Speaker 2: like the sweats, I couldn't see straight, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And you'll see where I'm going here.
Speaker 2: And then I would read stories about in the nineties
Speaker 2: and two thousands of these alternative bands and they'd be
Speaker 2: doing Heroin like crazy, and I would go like, what
Speaker 2: why Heroin? And then they'd be like, it's like a hug,
Speaker 2: It's like a and I'll be like, got it. But
Speaker 2: then I would go on tour doing stand up or
Speaker 2: a bit of music, and it was so boring on
Speaker 2: the road and it's the.
Speaker 3: Only time of everyone, Oh I get it. I'll be
Speaker 3: doing every drug on.
Speaker 2: The road to get back to the point, just because
Speaker 2: it's mundane. It's you're trapped in a bus, you're in
Speaker 2: places you don't know, you're not home.
Speaker 1: I going to see the family, and yeah.
Speaker 2: I finally understood why artists in general would be on
Speaker 2: the road and have a lot of friends that would
Speaker 2: just go out and just stay drunk for four or five,
Speaker 2: six days, and like, oh, I get it, and not
Speaker 2: a funny way, Like what else is there to do?
Speaker 2: You just freaking gotta find something to do. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and so but you're thirty one and we need to
Speaker 2: probably yeah, lean out just a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I've slowed down so much, and people
Speaker 1: they like, you know, co We're so happy. We're so
Speaker 1: proud of you, you know, because I have in my
Speaker 1: younger twenties, I'm you know, in and out of jail
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, I was, it was crazy, I was,
Speaker 1: I was out of hand, I was out of control.
Speaker 1: And every now and then I'll cut loose and still
Speaker 1: you know, still go back to those days, not as bad.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll slow down a whole lot. You know.
Speaker 3: Are you thankful though that they didn't end up?
Speaker 2: Because there were probably a couple of times, and for
Speaker 2: me in different ways, I got suit for a million bucks,
Speaker 2: I got I mean, I've had issues.
Speaker 3: Work career wise.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it goes one percent direction, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be here today. And I'm just very grateful for a
Speaker 2: few of those times. Were there any of those instances
Speaker 2: where you like, god, dang, I was an idiot and
Speaker 2: I'm so lucky to get through that because I can't
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here if somebody didn't vouch for me.
Speaker 1: Or so there's a couple of times I woke up
Speaker 1: in jail and didn't know why I was there, and
Speaker 1: that was the worst part. And then you kind of
Speaker 1: whenever you're in a you know, a cement room and
Speaker 1: you're the only one in there and they won't tell
Speaker 1: you what's going on, you kind of start to reflect
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, you didn't know what it was. No,
Speaker 1: And and the first time I got picked up, it
Speaker 1: was hell. I was in there for on. This is
Speaker 1: how bad it was. Also drunk that twenty four hours
Speaker 1: after they picked me up, they come to do to
Speaker 1: do all the fingers and stuff and no.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm just going to ye.
Speaker 1: Well, they tried to get all my fingers and I
Speaker 1: still couldn't remember my social Security number.
Speaker 3: What do you mean fingers?
Speaker 1: They picked like like the and I still couldn't remember
Speaker 1: my social Security number, and they were like, this is great.
Speaker 1: So they put me back here for twenty four more hours,
Speaker 1: and finally the judge showed up and like he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be there like nine that morning, and he did
Speaker 1: to show up to like three the next day, and
Speaker 1: so he shows. He was like, man, it was just
Speaker 1: a p uh, you know, here's the here's your charge
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I got out, but uh call him up, pops.
Speaker 1: Then you know, he was like, you know, the only
Speaker 1: time I was ever disappointed. And he used if you
Speaker 1: got picked up or went to jail, you know, and
Speaker 1: he goes, now you got to kind of look step
Speaker 1: back and take a look at it. You know, that
Speaker 1: could have been a whole lot worse. So he could
Speaker 1: have woke up and you know, you know, killed somebody
Speaker 1: or you know, drunk driving or day. You know, so
Speaker 1: maybe sign and grow up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Do you worry though? And this is a that your
Speaker 2: brand is so much what's up?
Speaker 3: Co I go hard?
Speaker 2: That if you go a little less hard, maybe the
Speaker 2: people that loved you for going hard because they related
Speaker 2: to that, won't love you the same amount.
Speaker 1: No, not really. Our fans are die hard, honestly, man.
Speaker 1: They're super loyal. You know, they get my music they
Speaker 1: get what I'm I'm writing and playing music for. So
Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, there would definitely be a
Speaker 1: couple of them that were like, oh, no, he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to drink tonight or some shit.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but what if you just said I'm sober,
Speaker 2: I'm not drinking, I'm done.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think it would be I
Speaker 1: don't think it would be as bad.
Speaker 3: It would be like coach selling out.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think.
Speaker 2: So I have a couple of friends, like I said,
Speaker 2: they are, but you know, they definitely went hard. We're
Speaker 2: known for going hard, and they kind of stuffed to
Speaker 2: fake it a little bit because it's part of the
Speaker 2: entertainment part of their brand, and they've slowly started.
Speaker 3: They also became parents, and they also growing up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: was growing up.
Speaker 1: You know, like the music that I was making back then,
Speaker 1: whenever I was going super hard and what I was
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm kind of known for today is
Speaker 1: that was it. You know, that music was part of
Speaker 1: your ass off, you know, go to jell, you know,
Speaker 1: do all that shit. So brand, Yeah, it's absolutely and
Speaker 1: now you know, going into the newer music, it's kind
Speaker 1: of taking a little shift a little turn, and uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think people are gonna stick with
Speaker 1: it and enjoy it just as much as they did
Speaker 1: the old show.
Speaker 3: Just to watch your growth, your organic growth.
Speaker 2: It's really one of those stories that you would like
Speaker 2: for a lot of other artists to chase, because it's
Speaker 2: very it is very intant.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the trouble. That's just when people, I think, first.
Speaker 2: Learn about you like that ude is crazy, right, and
Speaker 2: then they get into who you are and what you're
Speaker 2: singing about, and they discovered that that next layer, or
Speaker 2: at least I did, that's kind of how I, you know,
Speaker 2: I learned about you. But the way that you did
Speaker 2: it very organically is what you would like a lot
Speaker 2: of artists to do. However, it probably looks a little
Speaker 2: more glamorous once you have the success and at the
Speaker 2: beginning stages when you when people are like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's like like you had to kind of kick.
Speaker 3: A hole in the wall to get let in the room.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's fun to say now because you hear
Speaker 2: you got billions of streams.
Speaker 3: But that craft's tough at first, right.
Speaker 1: It is man especially we uh you know, in tech
Speaker 1: coming up in Texas. It was all we knew was,
Speaker 1: you know, you get on the road, you beat the
Speaker 1: road up, you play shows everywhere, and that's how you
Speaker 1: gain fans. You know, Internet was still i mean kind
Speaker 1: of in that Twitter Instagram stage to where people were posting,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't You weren't gaining all your fans off
Speaker 1: of you know, TikTok and stuff more like today, and
Speaker 1: so it was just beat the road up. You know,
Speaker 1: every time you go back, there'd be a couple more fans,
Speaker 1: a couple more fans. And then it kind of got
Speaker 1: to where we had a big enough following that whenever
Speaker 1: we drop noise complaint that people were just like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: you know, they're not a cover band anymore, they're making
Speaker 1: real music.
Speaker 2: So I was looking at some of the data for
Speaker 2: like the Road to Hell Passive Tour, and it was
Speaker 2: like almost three hundred thousand tickets. That's when you can
Speaker 2: sell any sort of hard ticket at first, right, you're
Speaker 2: not going to just a club and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: this place holds five hundred, we'll see what show. But
Speaker 2: if you're selling hard tickets and you have a history
Speaker 2: with hard tickets, like that's success. Now more than anything
Speaker 2: else is being able to go out and sell hard
Speaker 2: tickets because your guarantees are higher. Life gets a little
Speaker 2: easier because then you get a nicer bus, like you
Speaker 2: get to let a little nicer. When did that happen
Speaker 2: for you? Where you knew people were going to be
Speaker 2: at a show if you put.
Speaker 1: It on, Uh, probably around Harold So High. We put
Speaker 1: out Harold So High, so the album after Noise Complaint,
Speaker 1: so eighteen nineteen, maybe right before COVID hit. It was
Speaker 1: kind of what we were kind of hitting that, you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, everywhere we went, it's pretty much selled
Speaker 1: out damn near anywhere in the US. I mean we
Speaker 1: were playing huge places, what you know, twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: and three thousand cap and we were selling out everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. It was huge, and then
Speaker 1: COVID hits and we're out out from playing for two years.
Speaker 2: Because I'll say it one more time, it's not like
Speaker 2: you had a massive record company pushing your song to
Speaker 2: radio and then we're played all over the country and
Speaker 2: all this, like you organically, it was all us.
Speaker 1: It was all us. Yeah, And that was just us
Speaker 1: going around and playing venues all over all over the country,
Speaker 1: you know, so.
Speaker 2: You get lost at times and where you were? No,
Speaker 2: not really not saying the wrong city because whatever, but
Speaker 2: like three four shows?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about literally where you were? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like goy where where?
Speaker 2: Like you'd have to ask somebody or you have to
Speaker 2: look down, like can you.
Speaker 1: Just show up at a show? Like you come out
Speaker 1: of the bush, like where the hell are type ship?
Speaker 2: Did you do the or do you have the thing
Speaker 2: happened to you? Where your friends go? Because this is
Speaker 2: what happened to me some man. You go everywhere. It's
Speaker 2: so cool to see all these places. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I see the back doors of theaters like I sleep
Speaker 2: and then I get up, I see the back door
Speaker 2: of the theater. I might go back to sleep in
Speaker 2: the hotel room. And that's it. It's not like I'm
Speaker 2: in Boston checking out the Sam Adams factory. It's hard
Speaker 2: to be a tourist when you're working.
Speaker 1: And and as as the tour goes on, you get
Speaker 1: more war out, you get more tired, so the days
Speaker 1: would come shorter. You know, you're you're up till you
Speaker 1: know you don't get off stage till.
Speaker 3: Fighting all night.
Speaker 1: Yeah up, I mean, well, hell, you played till you
Speaker 1: played till midnight. You know, you get done on midnight.
Speaker 1: Now you cool down for another hour, so it's one o'clock,
Speaker 1: you go out, you drink till two with barclos, and
Speaker 1: then you know, like you said, you fighting and doing
Speaker 1: whatever till three or four in the morning, not going
Speaker 1: to sleep till five, and then you're waking up around lunch,
Speaker 1: sound check, probably going back, taking another nap, waking up,
Speaker 1: going to dinner and meet and greet show, and then
Speaker 1: all over again.
Speaker 2: The pre show is actually hours long because again you
Speaker 2: have a sound check, probably a meet and greet you
Speaker 2: got and then.
Speaker 3: It's not like there's a gap big enough to do anything.
Speaker 2: If there is a gap, it's like forty minutes and
Speaker 2: you can't really go and do anything in forty minutes
Speaker 2: and come back. So yeah, it's a grind, especially looking
Speaker 2: at how you travel and tour and people could look
Speaker 2: at you now be like man Co's got it made
Speaker 2: like he's killing.
Speaker 1: It, but they don't see the backside of it.
Speaker 3: They didn't see on the early part of it. It
Speaker 3: was just a constant, constant grind.
Speaker 1: But we were talking the other day, and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of crazy that somebody'd say that
Speaker 1: we were overnight success because they didn't see the first
Speaker 1: ten years of it, you know. And you know, we
Speaker 1: started in twenty eleven, twenty twelve playing college parties and
Speaker 1: you know, whatever we could for free beer, you know,
Speaker 1: and so you know nobody saw that.
Speaker 4: Come up, Hang tight, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: What's Pittsburgh, Texas?
Speaker 1: Like? Very small, very small town. Vibe East Texas, Vibe
Speaker 1: Country Hill.
Speaker 2: What's well, we would go to town, which meant we
Speaker 2: went to Hot Springs with city. I think Pittsburgh has
Speaker 2: like Walmarts and stuffough, right doesn't it?
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't have Walmart. Now what's town then?
Speaker 1: For you?
Speaker 3: If you guys were gonna go to town, I.
Speaker 1: Mean Pittsburgh had I mean it has like a Brookshire Brothers.
Speaker 1: It has like a grocer store and stuff. But if
Speaker 1: we were to go to like a city that would
Speaker 1: be Texta Kana or long viewer Toller.
Speaker 2: So where would concerts come that that were ones that
Speaker 2: would be national acts?
Speaker 1: Probably like Longview Tyler, Texta Kana.
Speaker 3: How was textakana from.
Speaker 1: You ply forty five minutes an? How?
Speaker 3: Oh that's not bad. I always hated the arc Latex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like, yeah, it's all right, so compact and
Speaker 2: you're crossing state lines like crazy on in that area. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're like you're an arch. Me tell you, I studied
Speaker 2: the fifty States arc le Texas.
Speaker 1: But people around there don't say that.
Speaker 2: So I will though, because I'm from Arkansas. If I
Speaker 2: can't from a different place over, why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So growing up? What was Are your parents still alive
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 1: They are?
Speaker 3: Okay? Are they still together? Are you close to them? Okay?
Speaker 2: But what was home like with your parents? And were
Speaker 2: they musical? I know you have a bit of a bull.
Speaker 2: Tell everybody that doesn't know you what that's about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so growing up, I mean they were they
Speaker 1: were young, young parents. They had me. I think they
Speaker 1: got married in nineteen and had me at twenty, So
Speaker 1: I mean they were young parents, and you know, I
Speaker 1: mean there was always a fight going on whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine raising the kid that young. But I
Speaker 1: had a great, great childhood coming up. My mom she
Speaker 1: was a bank teller and uh an account for the school,
Speaker 1: and she would go around to uh old opry houses
Speaker 1: and play music. So I was always around music on.
Speaker 3: That side saying she.
Speaker 1: Was just saying. And then on my dad's side, you know,
Speaker 1: they were all Southern Baptists and stuff, so study church,
Speaker 1: you know, go sing in the choir and all stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, I just grew up, Like I said,
Speaker 1: going back to my mom's side, I grew up in
Speaker 1: old opry houses. And I don't even know if they
Speaker 1: have opery houses anymore, like.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen them.
Speaker 1: But even back in the nineties, it was like old
Speaker 1: pet like old folks that came to and I was
Speaker 1: that little shithead kid that was just like running up
Speaker 1: and down the house because I go with my mom
Speaker 1: and like nobody would look after me. So I was
Speaker 1: still in popcorn from old people and shit. And my
Speaker 1: mom be up there saying tame, why that you know
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So did you think it was cool that your mama singing.
Speaker 1: I love the sound of a live band because I
Speaker 1: always practice like tapes and stuff and always listen to her,
Speaker 1: So whenever I got to hear her with a live band,
Speaker 1: I love the sound of the drums and uh and
Speaker 1: the old telecaster. Dude, it was blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Do you think that your interest in music a bit
Speaker 2: was to pursue a connection with your mom? She did
Speaker 2: it and even if you even if you can't go,
Speaker 2: yeah for sure. But when you think about it, do
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 1: A little bit, Yeah, because I think she kind of
Speaker 1: lives vocation through me now, you know, a little bit,
Speaker 1: because she loves she loves coming to the shows. She
Speaker 1: loves everything about it. You know, she's fully invested. So
Speaker 1: whenever she gets to come, it's always great. She's she's
Speaker 1: more of the star of the show than I give
Speaker 1: he a.
Speaker 3: Let her up on stage.
Speaker 1: She ever sing with you, so we haven't yet. She
Speaker 1: wants to cut a song with me, and I need
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah we should do that, But dude, that would be
Speaker 1: that would be awesome.
Speaker 2: That's the cool because you are so you just do
Speaker 2: not care. It's an awesome thing about you. You just
Speaker 2: do not care. And then doing something with me mom
Speaker 2: is like so the opposite of what you are. That
Speaker 2: also shows you just don't care what any it thinks
Speaker 2: and like you just love what you love. Made the
Speaker 2: right song man, You let me know when you do that,
Speaker 2: I don't even care what it is, as long as
Speaker 2: it's not like here we are mom and son banging.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything like that. Yeah, let me know.
Speaker 2: I'll play it like, because I can't imagine your mom
Speaker 2: is gonna be on something that's like crazy hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah no it's yeah, it'll be. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it'll be. She wants to, so maybe we'll make it happen.
Speaker 2: I am I vote yet one hundred times, because who
Speaker 2: else who has done that?
Speaker 3: Mike? Can you think of anybody that sang a song
Speaker 3: with their mom. Nothing comes to mind that they.
Speaker 2: Weren't putting their mom on a record because their mom
Speaker 2: is Fanny.
Speaker 1: Don't even think. I mean we've been on stage together,
Speaker 1: but I don't think we've actually I don't think.
Speaker 2: Mom angle works so good with you, because again, you're
Speaker 2: not the guy that people associate being a mom, and
Speaker 2: so it's almost even more of what you stand for,
Speaker 2: like you do not care, You're just gonna do you period.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what song is, but it's a hit.
Speaker 2: It's number one song. I'm declaring it.
Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah, tell you tell your mom?
Speaker 1: I said what I call her after this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she still lives the same.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, she lives in Pittsburgh, same house, same house.
Speaker 1: Uh that same house. We moved. They built a house.
Speaker 1: Whenever I was like.
Speaker 2: Twelve, whenever you really sell out, I felt like it
Speaker 2: was obviously the name of record, but it's also kind
Speaker 2: of a message to folks for Metallica. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I was not really a Metallica fan. It was a
Speaker 2: little before me, but I remember people said Metallica, you're
Speaker 2: sellout and they're like, yeah, we sell out every freaking show.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And so I got a bit of that
Speaker 3: vibe whenever.
Speaker 2: I saw that's what it was, because you're still doing
Speaker 2: things exactly like you were doing them. It's just now, hey,
Speaker 2: let's use the people's money a little bit because they
Speaker 2: believe that the you know, like, I got it, But
Speaker 2: do you feel like some of your people didn't?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot of them actually, But for the
Speaker 1: people who didn't get it, we gained a lot more
Speaker 1: people who did get it. Yeah, So I mean it
Speaker 1: kind of even everything out, and uh, it just it
Speaker 1: took from it took us from us being kind of
Speaker 1: those those road bandits that didn't give a shit to
Speaker 1: actually caring a lot more and realizing that, man, this
Speaker 1: is on a bigger skill than just Texas bars and
Speaker 1: places that we've been playing.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like it was affecting your art anything.
Speaker 3: It was helping your heart.
Speaker 2: Because you weren't You didn't have to spend as much
Speaker 2: time just straight struggle, and you had good advice to
Speaker 2: do because if they hadn't believed it, they didn't believe
Speaker 2: in what you were doing to begin with, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have put any money into Yeah, it wasn't like they're
Speaker 2: putting a boy band together.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and I think whenever we you know, with
Speaker 1: the skits and everything, it was kind of a it
Speaker 1: was a very ballsy move on my end, and I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't really know how to go about it.
Speaker 1: So I just thought it was like, hey, uh, y'all,
Speaker 1: don't take this wrong way, but here's the skits and stuff, like, oh.
Speaker 3: We love it.
Speaker 1: You know they know who they signed, yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: and and that's the reason I signed with Columbia is because,
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to a lot of other labels
Speaker 1: and stuff, and Columbia were like, hey, we know what
Speaker 1: you're doing. We don't want to change anything. We want
Speaker 1: you to be you was like awesome, so and they
Speaker 1: and they did. They let us do whatever we wanted
Speaker 1: to do this day.
Speaker 3: How often are you here in town Nashville.
Speaker 1: Uh, we're probably ten times a year, maybe just in
Speaker 1: and out.
Speaker 2: And so when you do come, it's actually for a reason,
Speaker 2: like you're coming to meet yeah, or age or just
Speaker 2: something that the business related a part of it.
Speaker 3: How do you? How do you like this town?
Speaker 1: I love Nashville.
Speaker 3: Good for to do it for you. I think if
Speaker 3: you lived here, you wouldn't And.
Speaker 1: That's like, but but Nashville's becoming like a Vegueas for me,
Speaker 1: it's like a three nights more than three nights. I
Speaker 1: don't think I can do it.
Speaker 2: Same for me and I live here three nights, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm over hate it. They're great, they're great humans here.
Speaker 2: It's the I was talking to h uh, don't hold
Speaker 2: on Cole Cody, Cody. Cody and I just met a
Speaker 2: minute ago. That's working to Cody because Cody's like Florida
Speaker 2: moving around and we were talking about Nashville and I
Speaker 2: was like, man, I can see why people that make
Speaker 2: it leave because they have the resources to go and
Speaker 2: say like I'm not going to stay here, but it's amazing.
Speaker 2: The people are amazing. But sometimes the industry, if you
Speaker 2: live in it gets to be a bit toxic and
Speaker 2: like un unhealthily competitive. But you're not competitive with anybody else,
Speaker 2: just yourself. Yeah, and it starts to like eat at
Speaker 2: you and it's stupid and I hate it ninety.
Speaker 3: Of the time, except for like the people I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's good to like, like, you know, I
Speaker 1: live in Texas still and you know, I'm always going
Speaker 1: to be that Texas country kid, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: but it's always good to come back to Nashville and
Speaker 1: see people that you haven't seen in you know, three
Speaker 1: or four months, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's probably like an in law, like good
Speaker 3: to see you again. Bye, Yeah, we go.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much how it is here. It's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: how you've been. You know? All the type of drinks
Speaker 1: all right, man, we'll see it.
Speaker 3: You don't got to fight them, just a couple of drinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I find where are you living, like upset the
Speaker 2: small town if it's a small town, but I'm assuming it's.
Speaker 1: Not so a group of Pittsburgh. I live in Weatherford.
Speaker 1: It's just like forty five minutes west of for Worth.
Speaker 3: They proud of you in Weatherford, they know you live there.
Speaker 1: They kind of yeah, Walmart after five can get a
Speaker 1: little crazy, but uh, that's that's why I like door
Speaker 1: Dash or whatever. That's good little grocery shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good because but you look like you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to hide.
Speaker 3: I know who you are. If they know who you.
Speaker 1: Are, it's crazy. Just ran on mask. Dudes will come
Speaker 1: up be like, man, I get totally look like you
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like, god, damn, I hope not.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: People will say, hey, do you know you look like
Speaker 2: my cousin and they'll show me a picture of their cousin.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I like, well, if I do look like them, I'm
Speaker 2: judging myself completely wrong. Like I don't think I'm a
Speaker 2: beauty queen. And I'm like, if you think I look
Speaker 2: or they'll type it on Instagram, Hey look I'm here
Speaker 2: with this guy looks just like Bobby.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's seventy man. He said, yeah, so like
Speaker 3: I felt.
Speaker 2: But you couldn't even hide in a mask really, you know,
Speaker 2: were a lot of artists here could put on a
Speaker 2: mask d on COVID if they did, like you couldn't
Speaker 2: get into place on a mask with your hair and like,
Speaker 2: yeah tattoos.
Speaker 1: Yeah in text is a yeah, it's fun. I love
Speaker 1: it though, you know, like I don't mind taking pictures
Speaker 1: and stuff, so that's cool. No, yeah, that's joy.
Speaker 3: I agree, it's part of it.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely part of it, and it's awesome. The only
Speaker 2: role that I would have that I tell people and
Speaker 2: not for me, because I'm grateful. I'm not that talented,
Speaker 2: so I feel like I've used a lot of Tanazi
Speaker 2: to get this point, and so I'm I'm never gonna
Speaker 2: be the person to say nah. But if people are
Speaker 2: with their kids or if people are with food in
Speaker 2: front of them eating, those are the two places. Like
Speaker 2: if somebody's eating you want a picture, just wait till
Speaker 2: they finish eating. But don't go up when someone's at dinner.
Speaker 2: And I tell people all the time, if you see
Speaker 2: your favorite celebrity, they know they're a celebrity, they know
Speaker 2: they're in public. But if they're eating, wait till it's over,
Speaker 2: then you can do. So beating's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was we were in Corpus Christy not too
Speaker 1: long ago. I guess towards the end of the tour
Speaker 1: and a bunch of these high high school kids came
Speaker 1: up and a couple of me know, I didn't mine,
Speaker 1: and then they kept coming and kept coming, and then
Speaker 1: tours that I was like, hey, listen, guys, let me
Speaker 1: just finish dinner and then I'll meet you out outside.
Speaker 1: We walked outside and there's probably one hundred of them
Speaker 1: out there. I was like, all right, just one big group,
Speaker 1: pick and we get it. I got to meet. But
Speaker 1: it all works out.
Speaker 2: We were talking about it went sell out, comes out,
Speaker 2: and Columbia knew what they were signing. That's why they
Speaker 2: wanted you. It wasn't like they were going to sign
Speaker 2: you then change you. And so you had mentioned how
Speaker 2: they just let you be you. What about your peers
Speaker 2: and music that are still either Texas Oklahoma in that
Speaker 2: scene when not your fans, but your peers, maybe not
Speaker 2: even your friends, did any of them voice to you
Speaker 2: that they were Manko, that sucks that you really let
Speaker 2: us down.
Speaker 1: No, not really, man, everybody's always been super supportive, especially
Speaker 1: in the music saying Man that music saying Texas music
Speaker 1: saying is so it's such a tight knit family pretty much.
Speaker 1: So if anybody makes it out, it's more or less
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, cheering, sharing you on to go
Speaker 1: because the more that we get out and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just helping the Texas Texas music community out more,
Speaker 1: you know, sharing, you know what we're putting out from Texas.
Speaker 2: So who are your Texas ogs that you would see
Speaker 2: as a kid and us living in Texas forever too?
Speaker 3: For us, it's like Rogers, Pat Green og Og.
Speaker 1: Randy Rodgers, Wade Bowen, Whiskey Myrs. They're they're East Texas boys.
Speaker 1: So I grew up watching them in high school. You know,
Speaker 1: Stony LaRue guys like that, A bunch of the red
Speaker 1: dirt guys in Oklahoma. So it's kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: honestly it was. It was red dirt and Texas music
Speaker 1: all the way through.
Speaker 3: Man, So you listen to Turnpike at all growing up?
Speaker 1: I did? I love Turnpike. Yeah, A lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of those bands like the Damn Quills, Steven Birds,
Speaker 1: probably bands that you that you're not more familiar with.
Speaker 1: But the smaller bands didn't really hit it as big,
Speaker 1: but have just phenomenal music.
Speaker 2: You know, what's the difference then in them and you
Speaker 2: and nobody specifically, but like, what's the difference in these?
Speaker 1: I just think there was I think there was a wave.
Speaker 1: There was certain waves that came through Tim. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like whenever you had Randy and Wade and you had
Speaker 1: you know, Pat Green and Jack Ingram. You know, those
Speaker 1: are those two different waves, you know, me and Parker
Speaker 1: and that wave that came through, and then after that
Speaker 1: Giovanni and all those guys. So I think it was
Speaker 1: just they got caught in the middle of that way maybe,
Speaker 1: and it just didn't get as much love as you
Speaker 1: should have. You and Parker cool, Yeah, for sure. Man.
Speaker 3: I did not want to like that dude. Really.
Speaker 2: I wanted to not like I wanted it like because
Speaker 2: I and obviously knew his music. He was like, he's
Speaker 2: good looking, he's tall, abs got a gold chain, Like
Speaker 2: it's the flat brick.
Speaker 3: I wanted to not like the dude sweetish, shoot gat awesome.
Speaker 2: And the first time I met him and I told him,
Speaker 2: and he was also like so kind and polite, and
Speaker 2: he was like, I used to listen to your show.
Speaker 2: It's just like I'm nervous as an honor and I'm
Speaker 2: like dude, you just run everything. I wanted to have
Speaker 2: it hold against you, and so I didn't know if
Speaker 2: you guys, if you got the FO because it's we talk.
Speaker 1: We talk pretty much every day. Man, He's uh, it's
Speaker 1: really cool because it was it was fun to have
Speaker 1: somebody on the come up that was doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, like because it's I mean, being on the
Speaker 1: road and do what we do is really hard to
Speaker 1: have somebody to talk to and be able to share
Speaker 1: that with.
Speaker 2: So it's good to have somebody like that and that
Speaker 2: experience that you guys have being Texas artists that have
Speaker 2: now achieved a level of success that have boosted you
Speaker 2: from just that title because now, I mean, but even
Speaker 2: Texas artists are known outside of Texas. But just for
Speaker 2: the sake of that title, there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: people that you could talk with about mainstream accepting you
Speaker 2: because you weren't begging for mainstream to accept you, but
Speaker 2: mainstream going, hey, we like you enough, come on over
Speaker 2: here a little bit like Parker's like the guy now
Speaker 2: in this generation you could tell Eli, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: those guys could do it, but they're ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Pat Green, that's twenty but it's cool to have somebody
Speaker 2: like Parker. I would imagine you're kind of going through
Speaker 2: it at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I mean the times are different too, Like it's
Speaker 1: not like it used to be when you talk about
Speaker 1: Pat Green, Like I feel like back then it was
Speaker 1: more or less you had to come to Nashville to
Speaker 1: get to get a label and all that stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: And nowadays the way music is was streaming, streaming and everything,
Speaker 1: it's a lot more you know, accepted, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's just it's easier to find music and people like
Speaker 1: these days.
Speaker 2: We were still living in Austin and I remember Wave
Speaker 2: on Wave was a big hit and it turned it
Speaker 2: was the mainstream hit and you could feel the centiment
Speaker 2: like that's gonna meant yeah, but then it kind of
Speaker 2: went away after it was just successful for a while.
Speaker 2: People don't they're too lazy to be hateful for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, People, they can't help grudges that that down all,
Speaker 1: especially with past music. Man, Like it's just timeless for
Speaker 1: especially people from Texas, you know. I mean, people are
Speaker 1: never going to forget about.
Speaker 3: He's one of the Texas great Yeah, he's like the
Speaker 3: governor of Texas music. You spent time with him.
Speaker 1: I do. We we got to do a couple of
Speaker 1: hunts this year together, and uh, I mean the we
Speaker 1: got we got pretty pretty deep into music and he's
Speaker 1: got some new stuff coming out and I got some
Speaker 1: new new music coming out. So uh, we got to
Speaker 1: you know, share share some music and thoughts and laughed
Speaker 1: and cried and everything else. It was cool because you know,
Speaker 1: I told him, you know, he's one of my heroes
Speaker 1: in the in the Texas Saint.
Speaker 3: I'm about to ask you who your heroes were.
Speaker 1: It's it was, and you know it, and him being like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's It's really cool because I see a
Speaker 1: lot of myself and you and and I was at
Speaker 1: where you were at at one point, and it's just
Speaker 1: really cool to see you know where you're at, what
Speaker 1: you're doing with the music.
Speaker 2: So are you having fun or are you more anxious,
Speaker 2: like wondering how it's gonna turn out? I don't know
Speaker 2: what you are, because it seems like that, but that
Speaker 2: can be hidden pretty well.
Speaker 1: I'm having a great song man. I'm I have more
Speaker 1: fun whenever whenever the tour starts, whenever I get back
Speaker 1: on the road. I've been off the road for like
Speaker 1: three or four months now, and I'm trying to buy
Speaker 1: my hair off. Dude, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm head coach almost like like cabin fever almost.
Speaker 2: Head football coaches will have whole back guys, you know
Speaker 2: the So let's say you're on the road and you're
Speaker 2: going to look, who's your whole back guy that you
Speaker 2: would you would actually listen to if they're like you are.
Speaker 2: You're always out of control, but you're a little too
Speaker 2: out of control right now.
Speaker 1: Man, My boy Dre is always that guy. But it's
Speaker 1: kind of bad because most of the time he's almost
Speaker 1: on my level, so he's he's like holding me back,
Speaker 1: but he's also kind of like I want to see
Speaker 1: how this turns out type.
Speaker 3: But if he steps in and goes you got to chill.
Speaker 3: Do you listen?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Not really, I don't. I don't. I don't at all.
Speaker 3: Actually, you don't have an appointed hold back guy by
Speaker 3: somebody else?
Speaker 1: I don't. I do. I actually have a couple of them,
Speaker 1: But like he said, I just don't. I don't listen.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to listen, you're not gonna listen.
Speaker 1: That's the deal. Once I get to that level. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, I got that look in my
Speaker 1: eye and everybody kind of knows not to. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you're also like, I wouldn't fight. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to fight here, man, because you talk about fighting
Speaker 3: because she's a bit. He's a big, strong guy that sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you get people challenging you just because.
Speaker 1: No. Usually, I mean, I don't know, it's not I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't go out looking for fights.
Speaker 2: But guys, I know that would be like MMA fighters.
Speaker 2: I won't even say people like challenge them because they'd.
Speaker 1: Be like, oh that's hell. That's so.
Speaker 2: I feel like people be like, oh, co what so
Speaker 2: playing football, big star. It doesn't happen at all.
Speaker 1: No, not really. It's it's always pretty much love man.
Speaker 1: And And like I said, man, we don't. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I got to an
Speaker 1: actual fight with uh, with somebody that wasn't yeah, somebody
Speaker 1: that I just was, some random person. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: usually I can't remember. It was a while back. We'll
Speaker 1: say that it was.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not gonna mention any names, but I have
Speaker 2: a friend, a very big country music star got in
Speaker 2: a fight bar with somebody didn't know, beat the crap
Speaker 2: out of the dude, and it was do everything possible
Speaker 2: to make sure it doesn't get out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was all layers.
Speaker 2: We we have those two because what he beat the
Speaker 2: crap out of the dude, and you got to shut
Speaker 2: that crap down quick because all of a sudden, there
Speaker 2: we get a little money.
Speaker 1: Well, well it'll go back to that with us as well, though,
Speaker 1: like people kind of expect that out of us, and
Speaker 1: so it's kind of, oh, well, co got who gives
Speaker 1: a ship?
Speaker 2: That's true until someone, Yeah, until something, someone wants some
Speaker 2: money or the Like my insurance, my car insurance is
Speaker 2: higher because I'm.
Speaker 3: A public profile because people will be like, oh that's
Speaker 3: that dude.
Speaker 2: Oh my net Curt's a little more because they know
Speaker 2: they could probably get a little more money out of somebody.
Speaker 3: It's a weird reason to have high insurance. Uh, it's
Speaker 3: a good reason. I'm happy. Yeah, for sure, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: trade it.
Speaker 2: But you know, being a it's like I've watched kind
Speaker 2: of have I don't even know what fame is anymore
Speaker 2: because it's so fractured, it's so splintered.
Speaker 3: But I've watched to kind of get famous.
Speaker 2: Has your life changed at all because of the success
Speaker 2: that you've had.
Speaker 3: Have you had to alter, like you say, Walmart after dark?
Speaker 3: Do you make any decisions based on that?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'll do. And we kind of all do
Speaker 1: as far as you know, going out to eat before
Speaker 1: shows and things like that, you know.
Speaker 3: Especially most of the venue. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's the word.
Speaker 3: That's the word.
Speaker 1: And well you know it will be in a sprinter
Speaker 1: van that be beating on the windows, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. And it's just a little minor ways though.
Speaker 1: And my mom gets upset every time I come back home.
Speaker 1: She always wants me to take her out to dinner.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because she wants me to
Speaker 1: wants to show me off or whatever, but it's usually
Speaker 1: I'm so tired and I just kind of want to
Speaker 1: be with the family and hang out, watch movies and stuff,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you're not gonna take me out to dinner.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if we go out, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: an ordeal. And but she gets you know, so it's
Speaker 1: it's cool. Why do you think people relate to the
Speaker 1: lyrics so much because they're real and they're roll. It's
Speaker 1: something that I think it's it's stuff that other people
Speaker 1: are not afraid to say. It was just kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe I would rather not say for
Speaker 1: fear of what it would do to their career.
Speaker 4: Maybe the Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: This is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: Do you feel that your lyrics are so raw and real?
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna talk out this question after I say
Speaker 2: it to you that sometimes you don't even relate to
Speaker 2: it anymore because in a different part of your life,
Speaker 2: your raw and real lyrics were true to you then.
Speaker 2: But you've gotten older a bit, You've learned things where
Speaker 2: you can listen back to be like, man, that's so
Speaker 2: raw and real, but I don't even relate to that anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's kind of like the February twenty eighth
Speaker 1: of stuff, and that's became just blown out of proportion,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. But I mean, I wrote
Speaker 1: that song whenever I was twenty two to twenty three
Speaker 1: years old, and now that I'm thirty one, looking back
Speaker 1: at it, it's like every night it's like, damn, we gonna.
Speaker 3: Sing the song.
Speaker 1: But people come to the show for that song. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people come just to hear that song. So,
Speaker 1: but songs like that, you know, it's Yeah, I've grown
Speaker 1: up a little bit and I've gotten a little bit wiser,
Speaker 1: i'd say, And the songs that uh I wrote in
Speaker 1: college and how I was living my life back then
Speaker 1: are completely different than how I'm living my life now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, like it's i know.
Speaker 3: Still raw and real and true to who that was.
Speaker 3: Absolutely be a little weird to sing stuff that you
Speaker 3: don't feel anymore. It is your new record, though what
Speaker 3: is it? When? Tell me about that?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: What's what's that? And how has that changed?
Speaker 1: It's getting into more relationship like more raw and real
Speaker 1: about relationships and and uh, just life as you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much from what I just said, from growing up
Speaker 1: and in the scene and doing that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: and and uh making that type of music to now
Speaker 1: what I'm making, you know, and how my life has
Speaker 1: changed from that.
Speaker 2: Any of these songs where they borderline, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I want to share that much. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I want to. I don't know if I feel
Speaker 2: like saying it right now. Is there any of that
Speaker 2: where it's not? You listen you're gonna say it if
Speaker 2: you feel it, but maybe you're like, maybe the time
Speaker 2: isn't right now to.
Speaker 1: Go back on all a little bit of it. There
Speaker 1: was a couple of lines and songs that we had
Speaker 1: wrote and it was like, we really want to go there,
Speaker 1: and then we would record them, and then we would
Speaker 1: come back to them and be like, let's do them
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, like maybe not, Let's let's
Speaker 1: hold off on it and just see how everybody takes
Speaker 1: his kind of newer sound that And.
Speaker 3: I think that makes you know less raw and real.
Speaker 2: But if there are other things that are so important
Speaker 2: to the record and that could distract from the things
Speaker 2: that you feel are the most important, absolutely understand going,
Speaker 2: maybe it's the time to, you know, admit I love
Speaker 2: the pound puppies and have a fetish, you know, because
Speaker 2: that would be what people would attach to and not
Speaker 2: the message of the real message of a lot of
Speaker 2: the body of work. And that's even pretty mature to
Speaker 2: say that as an answer a question, because a lot
Speaker 2: of people go like, oh, man, we give it to
Speaker 2: you straight, but you did give it straight. But there's
Speaker 2: sometimes that you want the to me straight.
Speaker 1: But now you're Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Wow, what's the what's the weirdest thing about
Speaker 3: having money?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I don't know. Amazon probably just get whatever
Speaker 1: you want. Yeah, pretty much. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know people will. I think people were, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's weird. That's a that's a good question as that before.
Speaker 1: I paid my phone bill last last week, so I
Speaker 1: mean I don't have a ship ton of money, so
Speaker 1: I still got enough to live on.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna play that game because I'm not
Speaker 2: saying you're Bill Gates.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, success now feels to me.
Speaker 2: It's at a level that you haven't had yet, your
Speaker 2: your experience, and I went, I was a trailer park kid, right,
Speaker 2: So when I started to make money is what I
Speaker 2: didn't have anybody I could talk to about money. And
Speaker 2: then once I started making a lot of money, I
Speaker 2: didn't have any talked to about money on this level.
Speaker 2: And then I didn't know what I was supposed to
Speaker 2: be doing with it. So there were times where I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know what to do, and it's
Speaker 2: a weird. Nobody feel sorry for you.
Speaker 1: Oh you got money now, it's could to be able
Speaker 1: to take care of like you no family members and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know. Like I was talking last
Speaker 1: night with a public system. We were kind of just
Speaker 1: going over just older things and getting ready for the
Speaker 1: new record and release and stuff, and we got talking
Speaker 1: about the house that I grew up in and there's
Speaker 1: a picture for it, and she was like, is that
Speaker 1: really is? Like yeah, and I grew up that there
Speaker 1: was one hundred and ten acres. My grandparents were about
Speaker 1: to had a lot of back taxes on the bank
Speaker 1: was about to take it. So I'm being able to
Speaker 1: come in and buy the family of land that's been
Speaker 1: in our name for over one hundred years. That really cool,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I mean being able to do
Speaker 1: stuff like that is really awesome.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: If if anybody needs something, it's good to be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, holler at the account and be like yo, yeah.
Speaker 2: When people will ask me a similar question, we're like,
Speaker 2: what's the first thing you did? I bought my mama
Speaker 2: trailer and a few acres of land. We didn't have that,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to like remove that that fear of
Speaker 2: her losing it constantly. And for you to be able
Speaker 2: to do that at home, like that's like thing it
Speaker 2: was like it almost doesn't matter what else happens that
Speaker 2: and things could be having you get ten planes, but
Speaker 2: still like that that moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, relatively every.
Speaker 1: Day it makes you feel better than damn the or
Speaker 1: anything else. You know that that you're able to do
Speaker 1: that you're financially able to do that, and that people
Speaker 1: actually give a shit and and enough in your music
Speaker 1: and stuff for you know, that's how you got that money.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Do you ever feel a bit of imposter syndrome where
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm really not as good sometimes as people are,
Speaker 2: like like you're selling out rudes, I.
Speaker 1: Think all the time, Like yeah, I'm a I'm like
Speaker 1: I'm so hard on myself about everything.
Speaker 3: Like like what specifically are you hard on yourself about?
Speaker 3: The people wouldn't even.
Speaker 1: Well just a songwrite like songwriting vocally everything, Like I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a hard ass on myself. Like, but I
Speaker 1: grew up like that. My dad was the same way.
Speaker 1: He was usually hard on me, and nowadays, whenever you know,
Speaker 1: we talk, he's like I was the way I was,
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't you know have the life that I have?
Speaker 3: You know, I mean boy names suit type almost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, legit and uh and you know, I thank him
Speaker 1: for that. I'm proud that he did that. That's how already.
Speaker 1: If I have a son or daughter, I'm gonna raise them,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna love them, and you know, and
Speaker 1: and do everything i can for him. But at the
Speaker 1: same time saw him that. You know, you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta keep gotta keep going. It's not all roses.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I like you really, Yeah, damn you don't like nobody.
Speaker 2: I mostly am indifferent. Yeah, there are people I just
Speaker 2: don't lend their people out. And I thought, I don't know,
Speaker 2: if I like Coe, like he'll probably be a dude.
Speaker 2: I would probably like him.
Speaker 3: He's fine. And I didn't think I would dislike you.
Speaker 2: But I didn't expect to like you because people would have.
Speaker 2: They would be like, oh, hey, coch it's some people
Speaker 2: on my calendar. Be like, oh, coach, come over to
Speaker 2: the house, be like, yeah, do you know them?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But that's the bad part, Like nobody really knows knows
Speaker 1: a lot about me. Everything that they know is through
Speaker 1: social media or the Internet or stories that they've heard,
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, I like, like, I can just like look at you.
Speaker 2: Aside from all the performance stuff and even when you're
Speaker 2: talking about buying that land, like you can actually like
Speaker 2: feel like what matters, like at the core, what matters?
Speaker 2: You ever write a song and cry because of what
Speaker 2: you what you wrote?
Speaker 1: No. I got a music video back the other day though,
Speaker 1: for a new song, and it made me cry.
Speaker 2: It was it was crazy what triggered you? Like what
Speaker 2: you don't have to say anything you don't want to,
Speaker 2: but like what about it is what made it?
Speaker 1: We shot the music video back in my hometown. It
Speaker 1: was just like shots of you know, pictures growing up
Speaker 1: and uh, my buddy's headstone and video you know, I
Speaker 1: always go every time back home. I go and I
Speaker 1: sit there. I drank a beer with poor beer out
Speaker 1: for him and I sit there and it was a
Speaker 1: shot of that and something clicked and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I started kind of My buddy were sitting there watching
Speaker 1: TV and he was like, what the fuck's wrong? And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, bad, dude, I don't know. This
Speaker 1: truly got me and and I sent it to my
Speaker 1: folks and they were like it kind of pulls on
Speaker 1: the harsh trains the little be you know. And but
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever wrote a song and cried.
Speaker 1: She was drunkenly cried and just don't remember it.
Speaker 3: How many phones do you have?
Speaker 1: Phones?
Speaker 3: Phones?
Speaker 1: We got one phone? Okay, wow, is that what you're
Speaker 1: asking about the phone bill?
Speaker 3: I'm just asking a question though. I just asked a
Speaker 3: question to see where it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got one phone.
Speaker 3: I was asking a question. That's what your name? Cod is?
Speaker 3: Like your third name? Huh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got three names.
Speaker 3: I forget what it was, but.
Speaker 1: It's like I was nameless for three days. Dude, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a name for three days.
Speaker 3: Go ahead because they couldn't decide or they couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they said my mom was like super indecisive.
Speaker 1: My dad the same way. I'm the like the most
Speaker 1: indecisive person in the world. And so my dad always
Speaker 1: wanted to call me roper Co. And then whenever they
Speaker 1: had me, they were like, well, we're just naming roper
Speaker 1: Madison because Madison is my granddad's bettle name. And then
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell happened. They just I
Speaker 1: think they sent me home with this boy on the
Speaker 1: certificate and then I got there were like my grandma
Speaker 1: finally chied. She was like, well, so and so down
Speaker 1: the roads got three names. You know why I have
Speaker 1: three names? And so that's the roper Madison.
Speaker 3: Cots, Madison Cots.
Speaker 1: I always went by co though growing up, always went
Speaker 1: my co.
Speaker 3: So you were never roper.
Speaker 1: No. My teachers who caught me roper for like the
Speaker 1: first two days of school until they figured out yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it was like, why all the kids are
Speaker 1: calling them?
Speaker 2: Even the spelling of roper, it's not r O P
Speaker 2: E R Like they went full y Yeah, why was
Speaker 2: there a roper with?
Speaker 1: Why they the early nineties? Dude, I don't know what
Speaker 1: they were on back? Damn?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Did you ever do construction with your dad?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What could you do now that?
Speaker 2: What's maybe surprise folks that don't know about you already?
Speaker 2: Meaning and I'll give you, I'll give you a second
Speaker 2: to think about it. I went on and did running
Speaker 2: while with better Girls on a couple of shows, and
Speaker 2: we went to Norway and I can I can skin
Speaker 2: a deer and I can I can gut whatever because
Speaker 2: I did that, But nobody knows me. Is that because
Speaker 2: I don't do it anymore? But it was like we
Speaker 2: found this rotted goat and some of it was out
Speaker 2: of the water rest was frozen, so it's preserved just fine,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna eat it. And it was like, now
Speaker 2: we got to clean the ad no more and what
Speaker 2: And I am awkward and you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: too my hands.
Speaker 3: I'm like just but I was like, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 3: but take it down. And he's like, wait, what is hat?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I did this, I'm good here.
Speaker 3: What what is that for you?
Speaker 1: Just like some random ass ship?
Speaker 3: Like sure, like if you did construction, you had to
Speaker 3: learn uh cement?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Like I mean I can, I could tie steel,
Speaker 1: poor concrete?
Speaker 3: Could you still kind of carve?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah, tie everything? Uh So I still have
Speaker 1: a construction company and love it.
Speaker 3: What do you mean you have it at yours?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Me and my buddy own a construction company and
Speaker 1: lovely Texas. My pops was Yellow Bush Construction, and my
Speaker 1: dad he was kind of going back and forth from
Speaker 1: construction jobs. He's been and concrete business for like twenty
Speaker 1: years and uh he was just kind of getting upset
Speaker 1: with it and tired of it. And so my buddy
Speaker 1: was like, man, why don't we I already have this
Speaker 1: company kind of going why don't you come in with me,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, your dad can come up here
Speaker 1: and run it. And so he goes back and forth
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh to Lubbock and runs it for me. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of my gift to him, Like, you know, man,
Speaker 1: you've done all this for for me growing up. Won't
Speaker 1: you stop for you to relax and just you know,
Speaker 1: watch over it and there you go again, like being
Speaker 1: a good dude, dude like I like to I like
Speaker 1: to please people.
Speaker 2: People get caught up and like the pictures and like
Speaker 2: you're good, You're gonna slow down a little bit, and
Speaker 2: you have emotions, not just one gear.
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Speaker 1: Gabe Simon. He told me whenever we were starting the record,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not a very emotional dude. And
Speaker 1: then after like the first or second, right, he was like,
Speaker 1: you're the most emotional dude I've ever met.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, and I think probably in creating
Speaker 2: your art, I can definitely hear emotion. I can feel
Speaker 2: emotion just from what you're singing about, right, But it's like,
Speaker 2: as a human, anything that I've consumed that you've done
Speaker 2: social media anything, which is why people are like, I
Speaker 2: don't know about that, dude. It's not like you're pouring
Speaker 2: your heart out talking just doing a selfie video, you
Speaker 2: know about how tough.
Speaker 3: The morning's been. Yeah, it's just soap opera. You know.
Speaker 3: He did in a way you didn't like. So, you know,
Speaker 3: that's again I didn't expect to like you.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Do you believe in aliens?
Speaker 1: Fuck? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: What what version?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Well, there could be aliens from another planet, there could
Speaker 2: be different frequencies.
Speaker 1: That we I've watched all the Men in Black, so
Speaker 1: I don't know, like all the those are.
Speaker 3: Like the little Green Men. Yeah. Yeah, you ever see
Speaker 3: and you ever see anything you can't explain.
Speaker 1: I've seen. I've seen ghosts before. I've seen uh, I've
Speaker 1: seen the Death Angel before. That was really weird.
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear more about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, my my uncle had cancer, right and it
Speaker 1: was kind of getting towards the end of that and
Speaker 1: they had him Uh what is it is it hospice?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so, uh, the night before he passed away,
Speaker 1: we were sitting in the loving room and there was
Speaker 1: a hallway. Uh in a doorway and I kept seeing
Speaker 1: like this figure come out and it's like really weird,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the light just gets really
Speaker 1: bright and shatters, So what the hell? And so we
Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. I kept seeing that, so
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, where's Grandma And they're like, she's
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. I said, well, who's in the hallway.
Speaker 1: They were like, what are you talking about? Freaking everybody out?
Speaker 1: So night goes on and me and my dad are
Speaker 1: walked to the truck. He goes, what did you see?
Speaker 1: And I told him. He goes, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: freak anybody out, but I saw a shadow and then
Speaker 1: image of a person walk in and out of that
Speaker 1: room like two or three times, and he said, I
Speaker 1: just didn't say anything. I don't want to freaking money out.
Speaker 1: And next morning my uncle passed away and so we
Speaker 1: call it the death. Things were coming to get him.
Speaker 2: And I think, had you told me that story five
Speaker 2: years ago, i'd have been like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: maybe you had you had anything, I think I've just
Speaker 2: now started to allow myself because I nor anybody else
Speaker 2: can can prove that you're not telling the truth. There's
Speaker 2: no way to prove you're not telling truth. However, I
Speaker 2: have a friend who's got a cousin and she's she
Speaker 2: didn't say she's a psychic. It's not like I can
Speaker 2: predict the score a football game or but there are
Speaker 2: people with certain talents even like discernment, even toward like
Speaker 2: I have friends that can are great at telling if
Speaker 2: somebody's a liar, no, and like that's some sort of
Speaker 2: skill they have, it's something they've developed and so, and
Speaker 2: we were talking to a girl yesterday as an artist,
Speaker 2: but she's like, you know, I I feel like I
Speaker 2: can see like aura, and most i'd be like, you're
Speaker 2: so full of crap, But why what I say? I
Speaker 2: can't I can't tell she's lying. And two people are
Speaker 2: able to do some things other people just can't do
Speaker 2: and understand. And so I've started to kind of go,
Speaker 2: maybe there's some stuff happening, and it's way larger than
Speaker 2: I am, even around me. And so when I'm like aliens,
Speaker 2: it's like a ghost, for example, could be another dimension.
Speaker 2: This is totally weird, right, totally weird, but it could
Speaker 2: be like an alien, but that's just from another here.
Speaker 2: It's here, but we can't see them unless they actually
Speaker 2: cross over and have to go and take your uncle's sick.
Speaker 3: So that that stuff really is it's.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's whenever you really start thinking about it,
Speaker 1: it gets it keeps getting crazier and crazier because it's
Speaker 1: it's so everything's so vast, you know, and so big.
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, wow, man, but aliens, aliens like
Speaker 1: little green men, we're talking about what it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't have to be a little green men, especially whenever
Speaker 2: you find out that we are basically one grain our universe,
Speaker 2: not even our planet. Yeah, our universe is one grain
Speaker 2: of sand on a massive beach. Like you're telling me
Speaker 2: all the.
Speaker 3: Other sand there ain't nothing.
Speaker 1: Government come out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ups, So they're starting to slow slow release this stuff,
Speaker 2: like I guess we'll let you know. We can't explain this.
Speaker 2: We can't explain Yes, yeah, y'all known about it forever. Yes,
Speaker 2: And there I get I'll get on TikTok sometimes. And
Speaker 2: I'm not alien guy. I'm not anti alien guy. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm in, but I'm not I'm not out on
Speaker 2: a street corner going they're coming for it. I'm not
Speaker 2: known as alien guy. But yeah, I will get on
Speaker 2: TikTok and I'll get down some I'll go down some
Speaker 2: of these rabbit holes with like these scientists and Air
Speaker 2: Force former air heads that have been flying around. Yes,
Speaker 2: and they're like, I know what I've seen and it's
Speaker 2: unlike anything that I've ever supposed to have seen. And
Speaker 2: people say I'm crazy, but it's not. This is what's happened.
Speaker 2: And have they been talking about anything else? We believe them,
Speaker 2: but because it's like something we can't explain, Like, nah,
Speaker 2: I got it's crazy now that there.
Speaker 3: Was running the freaking Air Force like entire military brand.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's out there man, They're they're definitely.
Speaker 3: You get a lot of places send in your free guitars.
Speaker 1: Free guitars. Yeah, I think I've only been given like
Speaker 1: two or three free guitars, and it's been like Deans
Speaker 1: or Indianas or something.
Speaker 3: What do you what do people want you to do
Speaker 3: for them?
Speaker 2: Like, what's the most requested thing that people are like,
Speaker 2: we'd like for code to play. It's obviously like guitars.
Speaker 3: What would it be like inment wise? It could be
Speaker 3: any kind of endoor.
Speaker 2: It could be freaking beer, it could be shoes, it
Speaker 2: could be a guitar and instrument.
Speaker 1: Like pretty much anything that you can think, like fishing gear.
Speaker 1: I got like a troller motor and some ship put
Speaker 1: on my boat the other day. Like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we'llknock the price out a little bit if you just
Speaker 1: post about this or do a video for us, you know,
Speaker 1: like got this new fishing fishing pole, shut out fun
Speaker 1: and son and heir sexes. That wasn't a plug by
Speaker 1: the way either. Yeah, but no, like stuff like.
Speaker 2: That, do you ever feel like you don't want to
Speaker 2: say yes, because then you feel like you'll owe them
Speaker 2: and there they'll never like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't like to take a whole
Speaker 1: lot of free stuff just because I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to feel like it's bizarre.
Speaker 2: We always want all the free stuff until we get
Speaker 2: to the point where then we start to get it.
Speaker 2: We're like, I don't want any more because they're home
Speaker 2: the whole time. Yeah, uh okay, well you got this
Speaker 2: all this music about to come out. I don't know,
Speaker 2: are you gonna be different to some people in their
Speaker 2: eyes by what you're about to tell us about who
Speaker 2: you are? And not completely, but are you about to
Speaker 2: do some stuff musically sonically, even they're gonna feel differently
Speaker 2: about you.
Speaker 1: I don't know about feel differently about me. I think
Speaker 1: they'll accept uh kind of where my where my music's going,
Speaker 1: because I've said from day one, like, I want to
Speaker 1: be diverse. Hell, I don't want to be that artist
Speaker 1: that you know, nothing against artists that have the same
Speaker 1: sound for thirty years, but I don't want to be
Speaker 1: that guy. And so I've always I've always took chances
Speaker 1: with sounds and and different genres, try to blend other genres.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that that's what's coming with this
Speaker 1: new record. I think people are gonna accept it, especially
Speaker 1: my fans. You know. I'm sure that they're gonna be
Speaker 1: some of the die hards that are pretty pissed off
Speaker 1: at what it is, But for the most part, I
Speaker 1: think they're they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: Is it all done mixed?
Speaker 1: I mean no, I actually I just got some of
Speaker 1: mixes in a day. It's not completely done.
Speaker 2: But have you heard any of the songs where you're like, man,
Speaker 2: that this this? I know, we spend a bunch of
Speaker 2: time on it, we tracked it, we mixed it. It's
Speaker 2: just not where it is let's just start it over.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I have really good that well, and that
Speaker 1: was that was one of the things that we talked
Speaker 1: about is how crazy it was for us to go
Speaker 1: in and write and cut these songs so quick, you know,
Speaker 1: especially after just leaning one another, you know, me and
Speaker 1: Gabe Simon and Amy Allen, uh Sam Harris. So it
Speaker 1: was really it was really cool to go in there
Speaker 1: that fast and make music like that and put it out.
Speaker 2: I know you haven't been on the you say body
Speaker 2: cabin fever right before you get to go back out
Speaker 2: and just do a lot of shows.
Speaker 3: Have you been playing at all? And have you played
Speaker 3: any new stuff.
Speaker 1: Out besides like dear Cam, campfires and ship.
Speaker 3: But know where where people could buy tickets and record it?
Speaker 3: Would you? Would you?
Speaker 2: Are you putting it out new stuff yet of you
Speaker 2: just playing? Or have you in the past and before
Speaker 2: you decided to actually cut the song? Is there anything
Speaker 2: out like a work to know? You don't even tell
Speaker 2: me if there was. I figured you were that's all right,
Speaker 2: that's all right. Well, look, yeah I enjoyed this. I
Speaker 2: don't know how you felt before you came over here.
Speaker 2: Well you're about to get into because I never know
Speaker 2: how people feel about me, nor do I really care
Speaker 2: because I always feel like, once they're here, it'll have
Speaker 2: to be good or it'll be fine. It's never going
Speaker 2: to be bad because everybody's professionals. What did they How
Speaker 2: did you feel about coming over here to do this?
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is probably like the first interview that I've
Speaker 1: done in two years. I don't really do interviews.
Speaker 2: There was nothing for me to see, like because I'm
Speaker 2: looking because I don't want to go to the same
Speaker 2: place as other people have been, and so yeah, there
Speaker 2: was there was almost nothing of recent memory.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate you doing by the way. I appreciate
Speaker 3: you coming that.
Speaker 1: Having me in. I know I was, I don't know,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I was kind of sweating
Speaker 1: a little bit just because I haven't done one in
Speaker 1: so long.
Speaker 3: And so it's more about you than me being a douchebag.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wasn't worried about you if you'd have been
Speaker 1: a douchebag and I'd said fuck off and left, so and.
Speaker 2: The op here's a story. I almost don't like telling
Speaker 2: the story anymore. Okay, there's a certain person I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you who it is off here and some
Speaker 2: of my heart of my old school people will know
Speaker 2: who it is. It was an interview I was doing.
Speaker 2: She was getting a little test I shouldn't said she
Speaker 2: the person was. The person was getting a little testy.
Speaker 2: And I've been known to just pop off like I'm
Speaker 2: a nice guy. I'm a carrying guy, but I'm also
Speaker 2: I have a quick trigger at times, super competitive, and
Speaker 2: I just if we're both working towards something, you're disrespectful,
Speaker 2: just go I'm.
Speaker 3: Not gonna tall I'm not gonna hollerrate it.
Speaker 2: And she was being quite disrespectful in the interview, and
Speaker 2: she had a book, and then I just asked her
Speaker 2: a question from her book and it was hey, x
Speaker 2: y Z. She said, I don't know why you'd asked
Speaker 2: me that you'll never be me. So she said to me,
Speaker 2: you'll never.
Speaker 1: Be me live.
Speaker 2: So here I am, and I go, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be you. You need to you
Speaker 2: need to leave on the air. So I told her
Speaker 2: she she must leave the studio. Not the first person
Speaker 2: I've kicked out live, but I definitely it's not my
Speaker 2: favorite thing to do because we're coming to accomplish something.
Speaker 2: Be compelling, so people will listen to me and then
Speaker 2: check out yours.
Speaker 1: Understand. Understand.
Speaker 3: Yes, So she's terrible and her.
Speaker 2: Person was waiting for me outside the building to beat
Speaker 2: me up like her her husband, And that was bizarre
Speaker 2: for me, and I didn't like it, but I was
Speaker 2: proud that I was just like, yeah, I gotta go because.
Speaker 3: Like, that's not a vibe I want to put out.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get as much respect as you.
Speaker 2: But I also felt like I would do it now too,
Speaker 2: like in the same way we'd have Mike do it,
Speaker 2: you know, like Mike take him out of here. Well, look,
Speaker 2: congratulations on all your success. Man, appreciate you've done it
Speaker 2: the hard way, and that's that's extremely respectable.
Speaker 3: And just don't don't don't get hurt.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good. Don't worry.
Speaker 3: No, just don't be so bad. You're not gonna be
Speaker 3: good now. I'm never like school kid going to college.
Speaker 3: As soon as you get back down on the road,
Speaker 3: it's like we're let's go crazy.
Speaker 1: Just don't make you it's just got like a half
Speaker 1: leg or something.
Speaker 3: You almost had that today You're like, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll be I got a lot of good people around
Speaker 1: men good. Good.
Speaker 3: Uh, I appreciate your time, and I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 3: I wasn't. Yeah, now I am. I'm glad. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: I wasn't not rooting for you.
Speaker 1: I was just like, who cares, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: a call from him or something that He's like, Man,
Speaker 1: this music is bullshit. We're even talking about.
Speaker 3: All right, So everybody, so you can follow co. It's
Speaker 3: in our notes. It's on the notes of here. You
Speaker 3: can see it. But it's AoE underscore Wetzel and Co
Speaker 3: Wetzel music.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: What was the Morgan shows? How were they any Morgan?
Speaker 3: That's coming up?
Speaker 2: Because I saw that on an image I saw you.
Speaker 2: It was like Morgan walling. I didn't follow up. I
Speaker 2: don't read the body.
Speaker 3: I just saw the image. So you're going out with him?
Speaker 1: I think we're doing We're just a one show right
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium and the Capital Stadium. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a that's gonna be crazy. That's that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: highlight for me.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be well, great to
Speaker 2: meet you. And I don't know, maybe I should drink
Speaker 2: That's what I felt.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know. Man, this sounds good.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of cocktails before I came over
Speaker 1: hanging what what is?
Speaker 3: What is your non beer drink of choice right now?
Speaker 1: It's it's a vocaso. Usually it's like an old fashion
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, Like a bourbon whiskey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whiskey whiskey.
Speaker 3: Do you have a palette enough to tell a expensive bourbon?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a big bourbon guay.
Speaker 3: Are you a bit of a knob in that air?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not a snob. So you'll drink yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll drink it. I'll drink alcohol, just straight up yeah, alcohols, alcohols.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man, Good luck, man.
Speaker 4: Thank you so everybody, thanks for listening to a Bobby
Speaker 4: Cast production.