WEBVTT - #488 - Koe Wetzel on What He Learned Going to Jail 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.640 We were talking the other day and everybody was like, 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.000 you know, it's kind of crazy that somebody'd say that 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.200 we were over not success because they didn't see the 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:14.079 first ten years of it. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:19.160 You know, episode four forty eight co Wetzel. I took 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.640 a picture from sitting with Co when we were recording this. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:23.840 I don't know, weeks ago, a few weeks ago. Ye, 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.760 you talk about hardcore fans, they're like, where's the episode? Well, 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:28.560 first one, like, hey. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:29.680 Why this can be posted too? 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.040 Hey you're gonna post that Co Wetzel to like, you 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:34.519 better post a co Wetzel, I want to come and 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:35.360 burn your house down. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.960 Like we were refusing to post. We were holding it hostage. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:42.160 No, no, in due time, friends, co Wetzel just released 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:42.839 a new song. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.519 He's releasing a lot of new music this spring. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:46.600 He has. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:48.400 I was looking at tickets l it was about three 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.080 hundred thousand tickets so far on this tour. I mean, 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.760 the guys has blown up in a way of the 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.840 organic growth guys, if that makes sense, like on the 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.640 road grinding and then on little something hits and it 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.680 grows and it grows, and the guy is I won't 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.039 to say underground because now he's like blowing up. But 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.240 he's one of those guys that he has a passionate 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.760 passion at large fan base that maybe mainstream hasn't fully 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:12.800 been introduced to yet. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.800 Would that be a fair statement. Yeah, definitely. That's why 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:16.000 everybody was hitting this up so much. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.080 Yeah, Like his people are hardcore, but now as people 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.560 are also starting to be normal people because his music 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.679 is starting to be shared by like the mainstream outlets. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:30.360 Uh yeah, I like co I mean listen in one 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.520 of those guys where I thought, really, if this turns 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.000 into a bar fight in my house, I don't have 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.399 a bar, but it's not gonna look good for me. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.160 I think that's what we're ready for if somebody had 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:38.600 told us that. I think that's what it was like. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:39.560 Coo Wetzel's coming over. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.240 Be careful. He got here early. Everything about him was 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:43.720 super nice, nicest guy. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:44.280 Yeah. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.080 I was expecting to like spit on me halfway through 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.200 the interview before he got to the house. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.760 But then he was like nice and plied and super thoughtful. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.520 But here he is, and I hope that doesn't kill 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.600 like his image, it's polite and thoughtful. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.120 You can follow my on Instagram. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.160 Co wetzel Koe underscore don't will you e t z 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.560 e L. What I didn't ask him is if he 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.040 owns any of the Pretzel company with those pretzels. Didn't 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.880 think about that, only thought about that right now. Dang 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.440 missed that question. Cowetzel music dot com and here we go. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.640 Here is Co Wetzel Co. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:15.200 Good to meet you. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.440 Man, it's the first first time we met, right, I 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.160 would think, so, I think I would remember you get 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.880 kind of a large presence, come in a room, like 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:24.440 it's like big dude. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.880 People don't expect to hear my voice kind of like 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:29.480 what do you mean that? He was just like damn, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.400 he's kind of a big dude, Like, didn't expect that 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:33.079 coming out of you. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.040 There's a guy on my radio show who has a massive, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.880 deep voice, but he's like dug funny, Like he just 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.480 doesn't look like he would sound. So people think he's 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.520 like a large black man until they meet him and 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.600 it's like a skinny, little white dude. Yeah, so yeah, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.560 it's it's good to meet you. Also, like somebody who's 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.079 like a football player, like you were same, same kind 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.640 of thing, right, it's like you're seeing it and then 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.320 it's like, yeah, played played linebacker. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:02:59.000 Yeah, buddy. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.160 Everybody's they're really confused. They're like, wait, hold on, you 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.440 played football? He sing It's like it in the voice 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.640 doesn't matchup with looking at you now. I'm like, well 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.880 you get what you see? What? Yeah? Yeah? 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.560 What's in high school? Pretty good athlete? 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.520 It was decent scholarship, I guess. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.960 But that's really good, right they don't pass out scholarships. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:20.720 Yeah, I guess. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:22.920 I got a lot of friends that walked on places 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:23.800 that were really good. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:24.359 Yeah. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.920 So if you're getting a scholarship, like, did you what 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.160 did you play line high school? 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.080 I played linebacker in high school? Yeah, I started all 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:33.919 four years and. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.640 Uh, the ninth grader you started? 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.440 Yeah, it was a freshman. Yeah. I played stand up 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.360 here as a freshman, then moved a linebacker. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.120 So it's how big was school you went to? 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.480 We were three a's, So I mean I graduated with 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:48.920 like one hundred and thirty kids. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.400 Way bigger than I mean, I'm from a tiny school. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:51.120 Where are you from? 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:52.400 Mountain Pine, Arkansas? 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.800 So I graduate with forty kids and we had we 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:56.440 had enough. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.560 We had a pretty good football team. We were the 0:03:58.600 --> 0:03:59.320 only school that. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.160 We were the only school that was a black school 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.840 in our conference, so we were good, which was even slower. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.520 Like I was pretty fast, but then on my team, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.840 I was pretty slow. Like all those guys could. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:11.440 Fly, right. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.040 Yeah, I was a white guy that could catch, high 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.880 modeor high energy guy, you know, but I wasn't the 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.159 guy they would put out to return punts or anything. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.640 Yeah, you know, to start, you know, I'm gonna be 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:22.160 our running back. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:22.960 Yeah no, no, no no. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.240 And if I was, you know, and I played, I 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.000 guess not so wide, but I played receiver, but it 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.880 was more like a slot back, you know, don't I 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.480 don't like going across the medal, but I would because 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.920 I wasn't fast enough to you know, run goes all 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:34.440 game long. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.640 You have any big injuries in high school? 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:37.120 Uh? 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.880 Just like ankles and like minor knee stuff. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.000 Uh still hurt you now at all as an adult. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.280 If the storm's coming, yeah, a little bit. I had 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.960 surgery on my ankle in college, and I had like 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.880 some some pans and stuff put in my ankle. Now 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.039 I can feel when the thunderstorms coming. You know. 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.440 I have broken fingers from playing ball, not just football 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.880 but other ones. But when when it's my hair curls 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.479 up and my freaking fingers starting to feel throbbing. Man 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.640 just killing me. And you know animals can like that's 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.800 not like it's predictive. They can feel when storms are coming. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.600 But so their bodies must have similar things to when 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.359 our stuff's broken. But yeah, like it starts to like 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.880 ache and stuff. I heard my We do a sports show. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.039 We travel a on the country and we play like 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.800 we did Kansas State, we did South Carolina football. We 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.600 did a lot of the SEC Big twelve schools, and 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.240 we put on paths and play. I'm older, so we 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.120 don't really get hit, but we run drills, we do 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.400 all this. But we went and played softball with Oklahoma 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.440 State and baseball to Oklahoma State, and my heart my 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.000 ankle and it does not it's just not healing. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.400 That's probably getting older. I'm not how old you are. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:40.000 Yeah, I'm thirty one. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.440 Okay, you're old enough now for it to last. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:41.960 I feel like. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.920 At my point, you played college sports too for a while, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.240 so it's even like you're a your physical age is 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:49.160 even older than that. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.000 But nothing heals on me. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.760 Sam, I spray my knee actually like two days ago. Uh, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.320 just drunk whiskey dent or whatever and kind of oh cup, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:01.920 I was like, damn, I got bobby bones going up 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.720 this week, Like I hope I can walk in here 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.720 and not have a bracehole. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.000 But obviously you didn't just sprain it because you were drunk. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.400 What were you doing while drunk? 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.560 I mean I was fighting, so yeah, so like it was. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.600 Sort of a yeah, I mean literally fighting. 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.320 Yeah, me and my buddies, we get drunk, just fight 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.960 each other. I guess everything's good the next morning. But 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.200 it's kind of like at the times, just a lot 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.040 of test tossed their own and just get drunk. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.000 When that happens, is it always because someone's disrespecting somebody 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.000 or there's a feeling of some sort. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.520 Of there's like a lot of built up energy and 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.040 a lot of built up ship and then we all 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.200 get it out and then we throw down and then 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.400 we hug on each other, level on each other next mornings, Like, man, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:36.719 that was a wild night. You know, we got a 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.320 black eye or a busted knee, you know, And what's it? 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:40.200 What's wrong with you? 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.200 I don't know, dude, Like I would think just physically 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:43.599 a lot wrong with you? 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.039 No, I mean, and I a lot wrong with me too, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.000 But to phys Yeah, I have never been punching the face. 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.680 Really, I've r I've run, I've been I take that back. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:53.560 I've been attacked. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.440 I've been jumped up and crystal whipped, I've been held 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:56.799 a gunpoint like that stuff. 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.560 But I've never been punched. And I'm it's not. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.480 As bad as you think, like in your mind. That's 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:03.560 the worst part of like you. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.240 Know, a third day though, But I feel like if 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.840 I were in a fight and I've trained to I mean, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.200 I boxed, and that hurts when you get I can't 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.240 imagine without a glove, and I also can't imagine my hand. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.200 I sort of think if I'm going to hit somebody, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.960 how bad that's gonna hurt my freaking hand, and that's 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:21.760 not worth it either. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.720 Yeah, well, you wake up the next morning and go, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.000 damn man, my head hurts. And then I was because 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.400 of the whiskey. Is because you know what happened. Then 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.560 you start figuring out you got like little scabs and 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.520 knees and ankles, and. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.920 That that life for me. It's gonna be not be 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.680 for you either for too much longer. I know, I 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:39.200 can tell you. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.720 I think I have probably two really good fights to 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.920 me left and then that's but maybe. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.640 I don't have two in me for life that. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.120 I'm saving up. Like I can do a little, you know, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:50.640 a little sparn or something. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.120 So are you usually on the bus on the road 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.480 when when you're getting. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.280 Drunk towards Uh? Not so much at home? At home, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.360 I'm usually pretty pretty even qual. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.240 You're probably not just bored, no, on the at home. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.800 Whenever I'm at home, I'm usually resting or you know, 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.240 doing stuff that's not as intense. But whenever you're on 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.040 the road and you have a lot of off days 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:15.880 and yeah, the guys, you know, we'll go to the 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:21.040 bar and it's just kind of week long, just drunk vendors. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.480 I don't know. I'm just I'm gonna nod. But I 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.480 like you telling me because I can't relate. I can't relate. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:26.440 Uh. 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.000 I come from a family of crazy drug addiction. I 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.480 would love to do all the drugs I love, drink 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.200 all the alcohol I've I've never had a drink, and 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.840 I can't do drugs because I get obsessed with everything 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.240 that I do. But luckily I've been able to recognize 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.480 that my mom died. Don't know, my dad, I'm not 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.199 giving you that story. But what I'm saying is that 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.480 if I were that, I would be you just wouldn't 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.080 be as big. So I probably be dead and beat 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.679 up like crazy because I don't even know what it's 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:55.400 like to be drunk. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.520 Really, that's crazy. Yeah, I've been I've been drinking for 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.679 a while. Yeah, I need to slow down. I actually 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.079 did slow down. I did. I did like dry January, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.760 but only made it to like the third Yeah, like 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.640 the twenty first season, dude, like the twenty first and 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.800 so uh but yeah, those twenty one days, I felt great, 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:14.839 really good. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:16.640 And my point is, I, you know, so I don't 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.840 have any sort of I can't relate to that part 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.719 of it. However, I put my mom and rehab a 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.440 couple of times, and we had, you know, before she died, 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.480 and that was always tough. But and I couldn't relate 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.800 because she would go like, I can't do it, you know, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.160 I can't, I can't get it whatever it was, meth whatever, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.280 And I wouldn't understand, wouldn't understand. I understood that I 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.040 wanted to do that stuff but couldn't, but I wouldn't 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.360 understand the withdrawal part. And then I got kind of 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.520 dependent on sleeping pills because I had a lot of 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.960 uh ptistic at jumped at work. And then I understood 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.640 a bit about Oh, I see why it's hard if 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.520 you really have a hard problems. It's hard to get 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.439 off because the withdrawals. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.080 Are to me. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.120 And I was just on sleeping pills and it was crazy, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.480 like the sweats, I couldn't see straight, et cetera. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.040 And you'll see where I'm going here. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.800 And then I would read stories about in the nineties 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.839 and two thousands of these alternative bands and they'd be 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.520 doing Heroin like crazy, and I would go like, what 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.440 why Heroin? And then they'd be like, it's like a hug, 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.640 It's like a and I'll be like, got it. But 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.200 then I would go on tour doing stand up or 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.040 a bit of music, and it was so boring on 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.440 the road and it's the. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.880 Only time of everyone, Oh I get it. I'll be 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:18.760 doing every drug on. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.640 The road to get back to the point, just because 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.520 it's mundane. It's you're trapped in a bus, you're in 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.640 places you don't know, you're not home. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.160 I going to see the family, and yeah. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.200 I finally understood why artists in general would be on 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:35.840 the road and have a lot of friends that would 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.760 just go out and just stay drunk for four or five, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.920 six days, and like, oh, I get it, and not 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.560 a funny way, Like what else is there to do? 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.040 You just freaking gotta find something to do. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.319 and so but you're thirty one and we need to 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.800 probably yeah, lean out just a little bit. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.280 I'm telling you, I've slowed down so much, and people 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.880 they like, you know, co We're so happy. We're so 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.800 proud of you, you know, because I have in my 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.280 younger twenties, I'm you know, in and out of jail 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.600 and stuff. You know, I was, it was crazy, I was, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.480 I was out of hand, I was out of control. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.120 And every now and then I'll cut loose and still 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.040 you know, still go back to those days, not as bad. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.840 But yeah, I'll slow down a whole lot. You know. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.280 Are you thankful though that they didn't end up? 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.160 Because there were probably a couple of times, and for 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.120 me in different ways, I got suit for a million bucks, 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:21.959 I got I mean, I've had issues. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.440 Work career wise. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.320 I mean, if it goes one percent direction, I wouldn't 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.360 be here today. And I'm just very grateful for a 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.480 few of those times. Were there any of those instances 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:32.800 where you like, god, dang, I was an idiot and 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.040 I'm so lucky to get through that because I can't 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.800 I wouldn't be here if somebody didn't vouch for me. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.280 Or so there's a couple of times I woke up 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.040 in jail and didn't know why I was there, and 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.840 that was the worst part. And then you kind of 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.480 whenever you're in a you know, a cement room and 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:49.840 you're the only one in there and they won't tell 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.880 you what's going on, you kind of start to reflect 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.680 a little bit, you know, you didn't know what it was. No, 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.040 And and the first time I got picked up, it 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.440 was hell. I was in there for on. This is 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.320 how bad it was. Also drunk that twenty four hours 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.120 after they picked me up, they come to do to 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.360 do all the fingers and stuff and no. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.240 I don't know, I'm just going to ye. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.000 Well, they tried to get all my fingers and I 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.800 still couldn't remember my social Security number. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:14.640 What do you mean fingers? 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:19.880 They picked like like the and I still couldn't remember 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:24.120 my social Security number, and they were like, this is great. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.320 So they put me back here for twenty four more hours, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.320 and finally the judge showed up and like he's supposed 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.000 to be there like nine that morning, and he did 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.320 to show up to like three the next day, and 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:36.760 so he shows. He was like, man, it was just 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.959 a p uh, you know, here's the here's your charge 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.040 or whatever. And I got out, but uh call him up, pops. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.840 Then you know, he was like, you know, the only 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.800 time I was ever disappointed. And he used if you 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.520 got picked up or went to jail, you know, and 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.040 he goes, now you got to kind of look step 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.160 back and take a look at it. You know, that 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.880 could have been a whole lot worse. So he could 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.320 have woke up and you know, you know, killed somebody 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.439 or you know, drunk driving or day. You know, so 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:02.839 maybe sign and grow up a little bit. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.920 Do you worry though? And this is a that your 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.040 brand is so much what's up? 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:09.080 Co I go hard? 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.280 That if you go a little less hard, maybe the 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.120 people that loved you for going hard because they related 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.760 to that, won't love you the same amount. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:24.120 No, not really. Our fans are die hard, honestly, man. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:29.480 They're super loyal. You know, they get my music they 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.800 get what I'm I'm writing and playing music for. So 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:34.880 I don't think. I mean, there would definitely be a 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.880 couple of them that were like, oh, no, he doesn't 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.440 want to drink tonight or some shit. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.120 I'm sure, but what if you just said I'm sober, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:41.240 I'm not drinking, I'm done. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:42.679 I don't think. I don't think it would be I 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:43.600 don't think it would be as bad. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.120 It would be like coach selling out. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.160 No, No, I don't think. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.040 So I have a couple of friends, like I said, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.560 they are, but you know, they definitely went hard. We're 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.439 known for going hard, and they kind of stuffed to 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.800 fake it a little bit because it's part of the 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.520 entertainment part of their brand, and they've slowly started. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.920 They also became parents, and they also growing up. Yeah, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:04.760 was growing up. 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.800 You know, like the music that I was making back then, 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.120 whenever I was going super hard and what I was 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.960 kind of what I'm kind of known for today is 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.920 that was it. You know, that music was part of 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.680 your ass off, you know, go to jell, you know, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.440 do all that shit. So brand, Yeah, it's absolutely and 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.240 now you know, going into the newer music, it's kind 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.880 of taking a little shift a little turn, and uh, 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.280 I don't know. I think people are gonna stick with 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.000 it and enjoy it just as much as they did 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:29.480 the old show. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.480 Just to watch your growth, your organic growth. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.600 It's really one of those stories that you would like 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.240 for a lot of other artists to chase, because it's 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.400 very it is very intant. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.360 We're talking about the trouble. That's just when people, I think, first. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:44.920 Learn about you like that ude is crazy, right, and 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:46.360 then they get into who you are and what you're 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.760 singing about, and they discovered that that next layer, or 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.960 at least I did, that's kind of how I, you know, 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.920 I learned about you. But the way that you did 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.760 it very organically is what you would like a lot 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.520 of artists to do. However, it probably looks a little 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.200 more glamorous once you have the success and at the 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.560 beginning stages when you when people are like, I don't 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.640 know if that's like like you had to kind of kick. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.080 A hole in the wall to get let in the room. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.640 Absolutely, And that's fun to say now because you hear 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.040 you got billions of streams. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.040 But that craft's tough at first, right. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.480 It is man especially we uh you know, in tech 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.400 coming up in Texas. It was all we knew was, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.480 you know, you get on the road, you beat the 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.640 road up, you play shows everywhere, and that's how you 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.440 gain fans. You know, Internet was still i mean kind 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.720 of in that Twitter Instagram stage to where people were posting, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.440 but it wasn't You weren't gaining all your fans off 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.400 of you know, TikTok and stuff more like today, and 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.440 so it was just beat the road up. You know, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.840 every time you go back, there'd be a couple more fans, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.800 a couple more fans. And then it kind of got 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.120 to where we had a big enough following that whenever 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.560 we drop noise complaint that people were just like, holy shit, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.240 you know, they're not a cover band anymore, they're making 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:52.680 real music. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.400