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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to it could happen here. Joining me

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Speaker 1: again for this second part of two parts. Ryan and

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Speaker 1: Sprout from the Black Flower Collective in Aberdeen, Washington, as

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Speaker 1: they've joined us to discuss the dichotomy between urban and

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Speaker 1: rural political organizing. Last week spoke, they gave us some

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Speaker 1: background on exactly how the black Flower Collective began and

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Speaker 1: what sort of motivating factors they have been in their

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Speaker 1: developments as an organization, as well as some of the

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Speaker 1: dichotomies that they've experience between urban and rural political organizing.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to take a moment to explore some

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Speaker 1: of the materials, some of the other material conditions that

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Speaker 1: they have faced in their city, or rather in their

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Speaker 1: small town Charian. As we were talking about in the

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Speaker 1: last episode, there's a huge difference between the modes of

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Speaker 1: like our own, you know, peer we socialize more like

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Speaker 1: in our houses. You meet friends at at the homes

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Speaker 1: of other friends houses, where in the bigger cities it's

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Speaker 1: more so that you know, you went to a club,

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Speaker 1: you went to an event, concert, class, what I have

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Speaker 1: you UM And these are definitely things that like evolved

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Speaker 1: and developed based on the you know, just different material conditions.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, there's not as many classes around here

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Speaker 1: and you know, events and stuff like that because a

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Speaker 1: people just don't have the money to go to them

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Speaker 1: and be there. Nobody has the money that really put

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Speaker 1: There's not enough money coming through the town. That's why

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Speaker 1: the far right are always trying to push this homeless narrative,

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Speaker 1: go to the ocean. That's it, Like the highway dumps

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Speaker 1: be pretty isolating out here, but it doesn't disconnect us

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Speaker 1: from the overall struggle. Throughout our organizing, we've discovered that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that we can do for

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Speaker 1: urban comrades through our mutual aid. For example, rural people

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Speaker 1: can do anything that is virtual, such as graphic design

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Speaker 1: or web support. We can also offer up rural spaces

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Speaker 1: for rest and recuperation for front light activists in urban areas.

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Speaker 1: While we might not be present in the heat of battle,

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Speaker 1: we can make our isolation of strength, as often people

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Speaker 1: abused directly by the system require peace and solitude to

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Speaker 1: recover from such travel. We can also use our local

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Speaker 1: networks to identify enemies and report this to the wider

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Speaker 1: radical community out here. There is a huge number of

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Speaker 1: out here, and in the Pacific Northwest in general, there's

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Speaker 1: a huge number of white supremacists and neo Nazi militias

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Speaker 1: and organizations, and so they generally organize in small towns

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Speaker 1: like Aberdeen. You see a lot of that here, and

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Speaker 1: so people living in those towns bear the responsibility, we

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Speaker 1: collecting information for their organizing back here. So we can

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Speaker 1: Right right. That sounds like some really viable and pouts

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Speaker 1: absolutely vital. And you know, one of my questions i'd

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Speaker 1: different ways they've been able to help. Uban communities in

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Speaker 1: a lot of solidarity from urban comrades has been in

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Speaker 1: the topic of harm reduction. It's really hard to access

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Speaker 1: so we've seen a large show solidarity from urban commrades

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Speaker 1: sending us harm reduction supplies such as Narcana, which has

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Speaker 1: Healthcare in general is a tough issue for rural areas,

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Speaker 1: much for learning out here. What about the next generation.

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Speaker 1: What about that site of struggle in education. Well, I

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Speaker 1: but I definitely would say that our ideas for you know,

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Speaker 1: but it's this idea of the like seven years generation

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Speaker 1: generations sustainability, well, seven generations stewardship, as another team used.

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Speaker 1: I think education is central to a community. It's really

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Speaker 1: having some revolutionary course works that we can offer there.

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Speaker 1: We would really like to develop it into a real

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Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of those skills offered

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Speaker 1: And I mean I've been looting more about your space,

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Speaker 1: eleviateor pitch for this space, Like, what is the plan there? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Our plan is twofold. The property would be divided into

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Speaker 1: sharing of meals. We want to have an Internet cafeteria

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Speaker 1: space for the Mutual Aid Network to store supplies and

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Speaker 1: All of these spaces would be rentable to the public.

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