1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: cap in what may be the most badass thing any 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Canadian has done since the invention of thed havevel In Beaver. 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: A British Columbia man fought off of cougar last week 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: by punching it in the face. And no, this story 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: does not come from Whistler or any of the other 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: fun BC ski areas. The BC Conservation Officer Service said 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: in a Facebook post that the man was working in 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: the Lake Kathleen area in the central portion of the 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: province when he was approached by a mountain lion. According 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: to the man's account, the cat quote swiped his upper body, 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: at which point he quote punched the cougar in the 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: face and it disengaged. The Officer Service has not released 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: the man's identity, but the agency did say his injuries 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: were so minor that they did not require treatment in 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: a hospital. The agency's efforts to locate the offending and 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: no doubt ashamed feline have so far proved unsuccessful. A 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: live trap was deployed in the area and hounds were dispatched. 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: The next day, but the cougar didn't show its face. 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, this isn't the first account of 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: a person defending themselves from an animal attack by socking 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: it in the kisser. In twenty seventeen, a seventeen year 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: old girl survived a shark attack by punching it in 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: the snout until it released her leg. In twenty eighteen, 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: a seventy eight year old North Carolina man claimed to 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: have survived a black bear attack by punching it in 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: the nose, And in twenty twenty three, a main woman 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: punched a black bear on the nose after it tried 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: to attack her dog. Of course, the most famous put 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: up your duke's animal encounter happened in Australia in twenty sixteen. 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: While out looking for wild pigs, a hunter encountered a 33 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: kangaroo who had put his dog in a headlock. The 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: man squared up to the kanga and punched it in 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: the jaw, which caused the animal well to stumble back 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: a few paces with an obvious look of shock on 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: his face. I didn't know kangaroos had the ability to 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: look shocked, but there's a video, and that's certainly my interpretation, 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: the kangaroo had already dropped the dog, so the hunter 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: beat a hasty retreat. Kangaroos aren't known for their boxing ability, 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: but it's always a good idea to quit while you're ahead. 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: On that note, I would advise avoiding a fight with 43 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: the wild animal rather than relying on your rocky impression 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: to get out of a jam. What do I got 45 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: to chase a chicken? Ford? Some birds? You know? But 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: if you find yourself snout to snout with something that 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: may or may not put you on the menu for dinner, 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: there's no harm in going for the knockout punch. It 49 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: might even work. Those noses are sensitive. This week we've 50 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: got Silica the crime desk and did we do this already? 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: But first I'm going to tell you about my week, 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: and my week has been interesting, as always, one bit 53 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: of news in the broad world something everybody needs to 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: be aware of. There's this idea coming out of the 55 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: Department of the Interior that they could divert funds from 56 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: the Land and Water Conservation Fund to a maintenance backlog. 57 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: This is a fund LWCF that is designated for acquiring 58 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: and improving public land. This is where a lot of 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: rural communities and communities all across the country get parks, 60 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: bike paths, boat ramps, and ease months which are incredibly important. 61 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: And then there's just outright land acquisition possibilities, and there's 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: a huge long list. Just look up LWCF Land and 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Water Conservation Fund. Important to remember the cash from LWCF 64 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: comes from offshore oil and gas revenues. This is not 65 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: an out of pocket expense for the American people. It's 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: that mailbox money everybody talks about. And fun fact, it 67 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: cannot legally be diverted to something such as a maintenance backlog. 68 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: And another fun fact, we laid off or encouraged the 69 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: departure of roughly a quarter of the National Park Service 70 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: employee base, So who the heck's going to be doing 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: the maintenance work. You can voice your concern for the 72 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: future of LWCF by writing and calling into your representatives 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and your senators. Last week I encouraged everyone to write 74 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: in with any questions. We got a few. In fact, 75 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: we got more than a few, as so many that 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm only going to do two on this episode. Then 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: we'll do some more. So listen up. If you didn't 78 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: ask you might want to know anyway. This is from Eric. 79 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: Eric says, I'm going on my first big l hunt 80 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: this year. It's a cow elk. I was just curious 81 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: if you had any experience with calling in cows by 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: a diaphragm or external mouth calls. If so, what sound 83 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 1: are you emulating and how long would you sit after 84 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: calling a lot of people just drive around and find one. 85 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: I would rather treat it as going in for my trophy. 86 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: First off, Eric, time of year and timing really dictates 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: how you use calls. So you can use a cow 88 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: call year long, from the start of the rut all 89 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: the way through the winner. That cow call might be 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: something that gets a cow or a bull or a 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: calf to stop and look at you during rifle season, 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: but way lower likelihood of them actually engaging with the 93 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: call at that time of year, whereas earlier in the 94 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: year you can use all sorts of different tactics. You 95 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: can even bugle in cows. I use diaphragms and external 96 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: read calls. I really like external reed calls for my 97 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: cow calf sounds. I can just switch gears a lot 98 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: faster and figure out what they're responding to better. So 99 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: lost calves are great for bringing in a cow and 100 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: spikes and yeah, lots of patients. So if you're in 101 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: there with hot, fresh elk sign and scent and you 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: can smell them, do a little calling routine like a 103 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: cow talking back to a calf, a little bit of 104 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: a social exchange, and then be patient and sit there 105 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. But be ready when you do that. 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: Big thing is like you got to watch the heard 107 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: dynamics and listen for and see what those elk are 108 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: responding to, and then that's going to give you your cues. 109 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: Get in close, don't be aggressive, be courting, and typically 110 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: you can get a cow to swing in and check 111 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: you out. But the trophy aspect of kow el cunting, 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: if I'm being dead honest, is getting that thing whole 113 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: in the back of a truck. That's why I was 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: brought up anyway. That is the mark of a trophy 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: seasoned kal el hunter. It's a meat hunt. It should 116 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: be fun. It's your first l hunt. You're going to 117 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: have a blast. And even if you don't do it 118 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: the hard way of this trip elk hunt's hard man, 119 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: the hard stuff will catch up to you. So don't 120 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: overlook a gimme if it falls in your lap this trip. 121 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Next up, Fella drew a non resident waterfowl tag for 122 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: South Dakota this year. He's planning a solo trip with 123 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: his dog, likely in late October. He plans on hunting 124 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: over small water holes potholes in northeast South Dakota, and 125 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: he hot tips advice on timing the trip, things to avoid, 126 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: et cetera. He'll be camping doing this totally DIY. He's 127 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: from Kentucky, but by no means am I an above 128 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: average duck hunter. I'm with you there, just an average 129 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: weekend duck warrior here at home, looking for a fun 130 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: duck trip with the dog, which is a wicked, mean 131 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: standard poodle. This will be my dog's second hunting season 132 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: and first out of state trip. So excited for you. 133 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to tell you anything 134 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: that's crazy. Stay mobile, don't try to set up an 135 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: elaborate camp. Remember to properly mark all of your birds 136 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: on your trip because you're going to be mobile, so 137 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: keep that fully feathered wing or head on attached to 138 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: the whole bird. When you're mobile, It's just easier to 139 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: do it. As a whole bird, and you know, keep 140 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: your notes, have those things, your dates and areas where 141 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: you killed those things. On top of that, don't be 142 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: afraid to knock on some doors. My experience in South 143 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: Dakota is if you're hunting water, there's not a lot 144 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: of competition. Folks love to hunt fields that they can 145 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: get real aggressive on finding big mallard shoots in stubble fields. 146 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: But if you want some fun puddle duck hunting, you're 147 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: gonna have a great time. Don't bypass the small stuff. 148 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: They can get really good flights at t old wigeon 149 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: gadwall and definitely some big old mallards too. So cover 150 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: the ground, burning gas, kills ducks, and don't forget that 151 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: you cannot shoot a pheasant until after ten am, read 152 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: your eggs wherever you go. You have a great time. 153 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: Just go out there and do it. Moving on to 154 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: the asbestos desk. A jury ordered the family of an 155 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Illinois man nine million dollars last week after he died 156 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: from a rare form of cancer caused by firing shotgun shells. 157 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: Big thanks to listener Grant Benz for sending this one. 158 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: In Eugene. Shopkey died in twenty twenty two from mesothelioma, 159 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: a kind of cancer caused primarily by exposure to asbestos. 160 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: If you've ever been a consumer of daytime television, you 161 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: already know what I'm talking about. Attention. If you were 162 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: all loved one was diagnosed with mesothelioma, you may be 163 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: entitled to financial compensation. Usually, personal injury lawyers target people 164 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: who have worked in shipyards, mills, heating, or construction. Because 165 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: asbestos was primarily used as an insulating material. What you 166 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: may not know is that in nineteen sixties, Remington partnered 167 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: with DuPont to make shotgun wads with asbestos. Asbestos is 168 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: a fibrous material and its highly heat resistant. Before plastic 169 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: wads became the industry standard, Remington, with the help of DuPont, 170 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: used asbestos in its wadding material. The problem was, every 171 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: time a shell was fired, it blasted microscopic asbestos fibers 172 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: into the air. The shooter and anyone in his vicinity 173 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: could breathe in these fibers, which became trapped in tissue 174 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: within the body. Over time, this toxic material caused inflammation 175 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: and scarring. It's like having glass inside your lungs. So 176 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: every time you breathe, it makes little, tiny little cuts 177 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: in there. It's a horrid way to die. This is 178 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: what happened to Eugene, who regularly used those old green 179 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: Remington shotgun shells. The risks of asbestos exposure were known 180 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: by nineteen sixty, so the Delaware jury decided that Remington 181 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: and DuPont should have known better. The exact company responsible 182 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: for Eugene's death is a little complicated, since both manufacturers 183 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: have been absorbed by larger conglomerates. DuPont in particular, was 184 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: quick to point out that the amul manufacturing arm of 185 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: its company split off in twenty nineteen, So don't go 186 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: protesting outside your local DuPont facility. But whoever is shelling 187 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: out the cash, Eugene's family is walking away with nine 188 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: million bucks. That can't replace a father and grandfather, but 189 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: at least it's some measure of justice. It's also a 190 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: good way to spread the word about avoiding old shotgun shells. 191 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: You find your grandfather's foot locker, it's a good idea 192 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: to take a pass on any shelves from the nineteen sixties. 193 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: But if you ever find a box with a DuPont 194 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: logo on it, go ahead and dispose of that in 195 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: a safe and legal way. DuPont and Remington were the 196 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: only ammo makers to use asbestos in their shell wadding. 197 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: And you don't want to end up like Old Eugene. 198 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Moving on to the mule deer desk, Utah is asking 199 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: for hunter's help in recovering at struggling mule deer population. 200 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: The Division of Wildlife Resources has announced a series of 201 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: meetings at which hunters can offer suggestions for ways to 202 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: boost Utah's deer populations that have quote struggled to grow 203 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: in some parts of the state. The twenty twenty four 204 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: post hunting season population estimate was approximately two hundred ninety 205 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: five two hundred deer, which is only seventy three percent 206 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: of the long time term management objective of four hundred 207 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: and four nine hundred deer. The DWR is holding eight 208 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: meetings in August to get feedback from hunters. Big Game 209 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Coordinator Dax Mangus emphasized that these meetings are about quote 210 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: how we grow deer, not how we hunt them. He 211 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: explained that deer populations aren't determined by the buck harvest. 212 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: They're impacted much more by survival rates of dough deer, 213 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: fawn production, and fawn survival over the winter. So these 214 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: meetings are to focus on those elements of mule deer management. 215 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Since hunters are primarily concerned with buck harvest and most 216 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: aren't biologists, I'm not sure if that's quite the right 217 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: agenda for these meetings. Some might argue that not talking 218 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: about buck harvest is a way to avoid a discussion 219 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: that might lead to decreased license revenue. At the same time, 220 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: it's very true that fawn survival is more important than 221 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: buck harvest when you're talking about deer, and the fact 222 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: that the DWR is holding these meetings is evidence that 223 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: they want to take hunters concerns seriously. Various proposals have 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: already been floating around in Internet forums and Facebook groups. 225 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: A Utah resident sent me an email outlining some of them. 226 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: Some people have proposed making more wildlife crossings over roads, 227 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: limiting units to three points or more, only allowing deer 228 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: hunts on units every other year. Some have even asked 229 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: for a five year closure of the deer hunts. One 230 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: of these meetings has already been held as of this recording, 231 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: and one hunter proposed reducing the number of deer tags 232 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: while increasing the price. This might help struggling herds while 233 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: also maintaining current levels of funding. You'd like to attend 234 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: one of these meetings and voice your own opinion, or 235 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: just go listen in person, You can find the schedule 236 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: on the DWR website. There are eight more between August 237 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: twelve and August twenty eight in various parts of the state. 238 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Moving over to the Deja Vu desk, another lion hunting 239 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: drama has exploded in Zimbabwe, reigniting the same fights that 240 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: consume the animal rights world. When Cesal the Lion was 241 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: killed exactly ten years ago, the details of the two 242 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: hunts are almost identical. In June of this year, a 243 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: foreign hunter killed a lion named Blondie outside of the 244 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: same well known Huengei National Park. Just like Cecil, Blondie 245 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: was wearing a tracking collar as part of an Oxford 246 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: University study, which allowed animal rights groups to claim that 247 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: he was off limits. Blondie was also killed over bait, 248 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: a legal hunting practice in Zimbabwe, on land adjacent to 249 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: the protected national park, leading news outlets to write that 250 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: he was quote unquote lured out of the park and 251 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: even though his home range covers areas inside and outside 252 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: of the park. It was the bait that got him. 253 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: One notable difference this time around is that Blondie was 254 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: just five years old when he was killed, while Cecil 255 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: had reached the ripe old age at thirteen. Male lions 256 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: begin to breed around four and reach the end of 257 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: their reproductive life cycle around ten, so there's fresh outrage 258 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: over a breeding male being taken out of the population. However, 259 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: Cecil's advanced age meant that he had also become very 260 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: habituated people, often coming within a few yards of safari groups, 261 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: making him the park's main tourist attraction and international celebrity. 262 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: Blondie hadn't yet become the same kind of superstar. Of course, 263 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: all the under reported aspects of the story are also 264 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: very similar. Foreign hunting brings in almost twenty million dollars 265 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: a year for conservation in Zimbabwe, and wildlife populations in 266 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: the country are therefore thriving. African countries that have outlawed 267 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: hunting don't have that same revenue, and they're often consequently 268 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: plagued by poaching and habitat loss. Regulated hunting also keeps 269 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: the area's wildlife populations in balance. After the Ceacial debacle, 270 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: the resulting drop off in hunting near the Huange led 271 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: to an overpopulation of lions, setting off a decline in 272 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: the numbers of prey animals like antelope and giraffe that 273 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: in turn threatened the ecosystems other predators like cheetahs and 274 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: painted dogs. Nearby parks even considered bringing in professional hunters 275 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: to conduct controlled culling operations. Interestingly, even though the hunt 276 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: of Blondie took place in June, the drama is just 277 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: happening now because of a statement released by Africa Geographic, 278 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: the organization that sponsored Blondie's research tracking collar. The name 279 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Africa Geographic makes this seem like an objective information outlet 280 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: like National Geographic, but in fact it's a for profit 281 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: safari company which obviously has a vested interest in having 282 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: as many animals on the landscape for its clients to see, 283 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: regardless of the carrying capacity of the ecosystem. One notable 284 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: difference between Blondie and Cecil hunts is how much the 285 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: hunter's guide service and park officials have learned about pr 286 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: that's public relations over the last ten years. This time, 287 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: the identity of the hunter has been kept secret and 288 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: his face has been blurred out in photos. The guide 289 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: was able to show the hunt's legal permits right away, 290 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: heading off the appearance of foul play that added to 291 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: the outrage last time, and the Guege Park spokesman had 292 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: a well crafted statement all ready to go, emphasizing the 293 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: conservation funding provided by hunting and going on to say 294 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: a quote. Our rangers were present, all paperwork was in order. 295 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Callers are for research purposes, but they don't make the 296 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: animal immune to hunting. Not sure that it's going to 297 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: head off the outrage, but it is likely to prevent 298 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: PETA from calling for a named private citizen to be hanged, 299 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: as happened last time around. Jumping over to the crime 300 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: desk first up, an investigation is now underway in Camii, Idaho, 301 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: where a cow, moose, and her calf were found shot 302 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: in Nesper's Clearwater National Forest in mid July. This one 303 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: was against the law and a whole bunch of ways. 304 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: First of all, it's illegal to kill anything out of season. 305 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: Seeing a productive cow and calf killed as moose populations 306 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: have been declining in Idaho as well as in most 307 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: parts of the country, is especially hard to see as well, 308 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: investigators have also concluded that the animals were shot from 309 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: the road and as much as one hundred pounds of 310 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: meat was left to waste. Furthermore, moose legal moose hunting 311 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: in the state Idaho is a once in a lifetime event. 312 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: That's the way the state regulates their quote unquote trophy species. 313 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: So if you're successful when you draw that insanely hard 314 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: to obtain moose tag, you are done hunting moose in 315 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: the state of Idaho. Killing a moose without a tag 316 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: is a felony in Idaho, which carries a fifty five 317 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: hundred dollars fine and a lifetime revocation of hunting privileges. 318 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: If anyone has information on this, one called the Idaho 319 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: Department of Fishing Game two eight nine two one four 320 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: one seven two and will also put a form on 321 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: the old cow to action page at the mediator dot com. 322 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: Moving on from an unsolved case to some justice served, 323 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: forty seven year old Scott Steer of Gabriola Island up 324 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: in BC was sentenced this week for crimes going back 325 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: more than seventeen years. Often on this show we've lamented 326 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: how light the sentences are for wildlife violations. A lot 327 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: of times offenders will get sentenced more harshly for a 328 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: ziplock bag full of drugs in their possession than for 329 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: dozens of poached deer skulls. But the Canadian court really 330 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: threw the book at Steer, this time, sentencing him to 331 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: six full years in jail and levying one point one 332 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: million dollars in fine. Steer was certainly asking for it. 333 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: British Columbia Supreme Court Justice David Krrar wrote in his ruling, 334 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: the Crown understands mister Steer's record to be the longest 335 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: record of Fisheries Act violations in Canadian history. Isn't it 336 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: fun when Canadian courts refer to themselves as the Crown 337 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: gives it more of like a Dungeons and Dragons type 338 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: of feel. Steer's most recent conviction was for taking sa cucumbers, 339 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: both without a license and out of season. That might 340 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: not seem like the worst crime you've ever heard, but 341 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: Steer's recidivism is something to marvel at. His first warnings 342 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: and ticketed violations started in the mid two thousands, and 343 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: his first criminal convictions took place in two thousand and 344 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: eight for harvesting shellfish out of season. And trying to 345 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: sell halibut and linkod without a commercial license. In twenty thirteen, 346 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: he was sentenced to six months in prison and ten 347 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: years of probation for going over his fishing quota. The 348 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: judge in that case declared, quote, mister Steer represents a 349 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: threat to the health of the fishery. Steer had thirteen 350 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: poaching convictions before his most recent sea cucumber crime, which 351 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: puts him in a real sea pickle, you know, because 352 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: cucumbers and you know pickle. Anyway, Steer had previously claimed 353 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: that he was going straight by importing dishwashing pods from China, 354 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: which has got to be the most suspicious sounding fake 355 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: job he could have invented. He also asked for leniency 356 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: in his previous convictions by stating that he is responsible 357 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: for his five children, which you know you feel for. 358 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: But keeping this guy off the water is justified. Last up, 359 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: an absolutely wild episode from history, as told by retired 360 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: Oklahoma game Ward and Tracy Daniel to reporter Chris Bennett 361 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: of The Farm Journal. Last week we told you about 362 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: the amazing law enforcement decoys made by Brian Wolsleagel of 363 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: Custom Robotic Decoys, which can warm up with heating coils, 364 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: turn their heads and even lift their tails and eject 365 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: brown eminem's as a poop substitute. Well back in nineteen 366 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: eighty six, fancy decoys like this had not been invented. 367 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: At the time, Oklahoma was experiencing a spike in poaching, 368 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: especially people shooting game from roadways, but it was almost 369 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: impossible to catch violators in the act. But Warden Daniel 370 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: had an idea, Why couldn't you find a road killed 371 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: deer and set it out in a tempting spot near 372 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: a road for poachers to go for So that's exactly 373 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: what he did. Coming across a medium sized buck that 374 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: had been hit by a car but hadn't sustained visible injuries, 375 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: he retained the deer, put it in the freezer, stretched 376 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: the buck's legs out and braced them with boards, pinned 377 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: the ears up straight, and turned the heads it would 378 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: appear to be looking toward the potential shooters. He then 379 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: left the deer to freeze solid for eight days. Before 380 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: dawn on opening day, he and his colleagues collected the 381 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: rigid deer drove it out to a farm where several 382 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: poaching incidents had already been reported and set it up 383 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: within view of the road. Daniel concealed himself in a 384 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: nearby ditch, and other law enforcement personnel set up cars 385 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: further down the road to process any resulting violations, and 386 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: violations certainly resulted. Between Don and eleven am. Seven different 387 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: parties stopped their cars in the road, shot at the decoy, 388 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: and were apprehended in the middle of the stand. A 389 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: fourteen year old boy legally hunting the property also took 390 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: a shot at the frozen deer and was heartbroken to 391 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: discover that he wouldn't be taken home as first buck. 392 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: The final bust was also the most spectacular. While processing 393 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: the hunting violations, Daniel noticed a bag of marijuana lying 394 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: out inside the car. A subsequent search turned up a 395 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: significant quantity of cocaine. Daniel recalled quote, looking back, it 396 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: ranks as one of the wildest operations of my career. 397 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: It was crazy and I never dreamed it'd work so perfectly. 398 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: Gotta love it when a plan comes together. Moving on 399 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: to the mail bag, listener Mike Rider sent me a 400 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: troubling trend from his neck of the woods in New England. Apparently, 401 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: some yahoos aren't happy with the region's excellent trout fisheries 402 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: and would rather they resemble Alabama and South Carolina. The 403 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: main Department of Inland Fisheries reported last month that biologists 404 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: had spied largemouth pass in West Musquash Lake. According to 405 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: an article Mike sent me, this lake is a classic 406 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: cold water fishery that his home to wild trout and 407 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: wild landlocked salmon. A press release date of July twenty 408 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: four reported that a team of biologists visually confirmed multiple 409 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: largemouth bass of varying ages in the lake. Now, there's 410 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with bass fishing, but bass don't belong in 411 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: New England's cold water fisheries. Someone or multiple someones have 412 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: been transferring these non native fish into the region's trout streams, 413 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: where they pose a serious danger to native species. Bass 414 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: eat just about anything, including trout. They also out compete 415 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: native species for food and habitat, and can significantly alter 416 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: the aquatic ecosystem. Of course, this kind of thing is 417 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: nothing new, and it's not always the fault of bucket biology. 418 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: Mike tells me he's been reading a book titled The 419 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: Bass of New Hampshire that chronicles the intentional effort by 420 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: the state in the eighteen hundreds to introduce black bass species. 421 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: These days, the New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife Fish and 422 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: Game Department reports that wild bass have been neutralized in 423 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: many water bodies and their eradication isn't possible. Quote further 424 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: spread of bass should be prevented to protect the remaining 425 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: habitat for vulnerable native fish species. Big thanks to Mike 426 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: for sending us that important reminder. And if you live 427 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: in Maine, the Warden Service is offering a six thousand 428 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: dollars reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction 429 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: of those responsible for putting bass in West Musquash Lake. 430 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: Get in touch with the main Warden Service if you 431 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: can help them with that investigation. That's all I got 432 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: for you this week. Thank you so much for listening. 433 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: Remember to write in to ask c A L. That's 434 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: Ascal at the meeteater dot com. Let me know what's 435 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: going on your neck of the woods. You know we 436 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: appreciate thanks again. Talk to you next week.